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Trump Rocket: From Super to Duper. Funny in form, serious in content

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Trump Rocket: From Super to Duper. Funny in form, serious in content

Comparison of shock systems of different classes. The trajectory of a hypersonic warhead is drawn in green. Graphics by Breakingdefense.com


US President Donald Trump once again made a loud statement. This time, he announced the existence of super-duper-missile - literally "super-super-super-missiles." D. Trump called its main characteristics and compared with foreign developments. However, it is not entirely clear what exactly he was talking about and what specific product became an occasion for pride.

Super Declaration


On May 15, the ceremony of presenting the flag of the Space Forces was held in the United States. During this event, D. Trump made a speech on various aspects of national security, a new type of troops, promising weapons, etc. Of all the theses of the president, the greatest public attention was drawn to one related to the hypersonic weapons development program.

According to D. Trump, now the United States is creating incredible weapons. He designated one of such models as “super-super-racket” - it is capable of flying 17 times faster than products in service. The president also pointed out that such developments in Russia and China are only five to six times faster than current missiles. At the same time, D. Trump did not specify what kind of sample in question.


Pentagon presentation slide on the LRHW program. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com

The president’s statement provoked a corresponding reaction. At the same time, admiration and insults, surprise and irony were expressed in different circles. For example, the head of the Russian "Roskosmos" Dmitry Rogozin in a joking manner "scared" of an American rocket and offered to surrender.

Super riddle


It is easy to notice that the wave of humor was associated only with the wording used by D. Trump. If he used other expressions, the reaction could be different. However, in the current situation, not form, but content is important. The US President once again raised the topic of American hypersonic weapons, which are a serious cause for concern for third countries.

It is known that there are several research programs and development projects that have already yielded certain results. In the medium and long term, all this will allow the United States to put into service a fundamentally new strike systems with special combat capabilities.


The layout of the warhead C-HGB. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com

We will consider well-known projects and determine which one the American president could talk about. The Pentagon and industrial enterprises maintain the necessary level of secrecy, but regularly report on their work. Thanks to this, approximate development paths and current results of the hypersonic program are known.

Superversions


First of all, it is necessary to outline the circle of searches. According to D. Trump, a super-super missile flies 17 times faster than existing and in service. Given the characteristics of modern US Army missiles, this suggests a range of speeds from 15M to 20M or more. The range is very wide, but not all modern developments fall into it.

Apparently, searching for super-duper-missile will not take much time. The required characteristics were already shown by one of the earliest experimental samples. It was a prototype HTV-2 product created as part of the DARPA agency's FALCON program. The program itself was launched in 2003 and in the early stages was purely scientific in nature. By the beginning of the tenth years, it was brought to the stage of construction and testing of experimental equipment.


Second C-HGB test launch, March 19, 2020. Photo by US Navy

The first launch of the Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 (HTV-2) pilot planning hypersonic device took place on April 22, 2010 and ended in an accident. On August 11, 2011, the second start took place. The aircraft continued to fly over the Pacific Ocean for 9 minutes out of 30 planned, after which again a crash occurred. Before the fall, the product managed to develop a speed of about 20M. Despite the accident, the experiment was considered successful, and based on the developments on the FALCON topic, new projects were launched.

Already in November 2011, the first launch of the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon (AHW) hypersonic warhead was launched, which was created as part of the “practical” program Prompt Global Strike. Experienced aircraft in 30 minutes. I covered 3700 km, which corresponds to a speed of more than 6,5M. In the future, managed to reach a speed of 8M. This allows us to attribute AHW to hypersonic systems, but not to the “superfood” category proposed by D. Trump.

Currently, work is underway on the Long Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) program, a key component of which is the Common-Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) combat unit. Its result should be the emergence of several missile systems for different arms with a unified combat unit C-HGB. Full-fledged LRHW systems are not yet ready, but tests of combat equipment are already underway.


Model missile AGM-183A under the wing of a bomber B-52H. Photo US Air Force

On October 30, 2017, the first launch of the C-HGB took place over the Pacific Ocean, and on March 19, 2020, the second was launched. The tests are successful. It is alleged that products of a new type develop a speed of more than 5M. The upper limit of flight speeds is not called. However, the available data do not suggest that D. Trump had in mind the LRHW / C-HGB. This complex can really be a good one. weaponsbut not enough to call it super-duper.

Last year, the development of the promising aeroballistic missile AGM-183A ARRW (Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon) for strategic aviation. It is believed that its combat equipment will be the TBG (Tactical Boost Glide) hypersonic unit, tests of which, according to some reports, began in 2019. The exact characteristics of ARRW and TBG remain unknown, but the most daring estimates are expressed - up to 20M.

Thus, the calculated parameters of the AGM-183A and its warhead are unknown, and also not yet confirmed by tests. However, at the rumor level, this missile system is in full compliance with the requirements for a superfood. It is possible that D. Trump was talking specifically about the ARRW missile being developed. While it cannot be ruled out that it will be able to reach the indicated speed, and in addition, unlike the HTV-2, this missile is created as a full-fledged weapon.

Simple conclusions


Donald Trump is known for his love of high-profile statements that cause a violent reaction - from surprise to laughter. And in some circles, ridiculing presidential remarks even became a sign of good taste. However, all this applies only to forms, but not to content. The recent statements by the American president are based on real cases of great interest and no less danger.


Model of a hypersonic missile of the ARRW type in the cargo compartment of a B-1B bomber. Photo US Air Force

Over the years, the United States has been working on the creation of hypersonic weapons and achieved certain results. Several research programs have been carried out, thanks to which new projects have been launched with an eye on real use in the army. The first samples are planned to be put on duty over the next several years, and after that the number of hypersonic systems will constantly grow. Sooner or later, missiles flying “17 times faster” than the existing ones will come into service.

All types of hypersonic missile systems have obvious advantages and high combat potential. Moreover, they are purely shock weapons. Receiving and putting on duty serial systems with a hypersonic warhead can be a serious threat to third countries. So, American arms naturally bother Russia and China.

It makes no difference what speed the combat unit shows - 5M or 20M. In any case, its interception is an extremely difficult task, which requires special solutions. Whether any countries have such technologies is not yet clear. For this reason, the amusing wording of “super-super-racket” does not look so funny anymore.

It is obvious that the United States is not going to abandon its hypersonic program and is ready to invest any necessary funds in it. Consequently, over the next few years, in service with the American army, fundamentally new strike complexes will indeed appear. Therefore, other countries should focus on both defense systems and retaliation. However, a healthy laugh will not hurt, unless it interferes with an objective assessment of threats.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 May 2020 04: 56 New
    +6
    According to D. Trump, now the United States is creating incredible weapons. He designated one of such models as “super-super-racket” - it is capable of flying 17 times faster than products in service.

    1. A lazy person, even a cartoon to make laziness or not enough money, everything went into a rocket?
    2. 17 times - cool. Standing in service with whom. Us - I do not believe. Take Korean rockets, it will be beautiful. repeat
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 19 May 2020 05: 27 New
      +8
      According to D. Trump, a super-super missile flies 17 times faster than existing and in service. Given the characteristics of modern US Army missiles, this suggests a range of speeds from 15M to 20M or more.

      Still very cunning officials work in Washington / Pentagon. Namely.

      The question is. Why is it for the United States, in fact, advocating the prohibition of hypersonic weapons for the Russian Federation and the PRC, if the United States itself has been intensively developing it for 10 years and have quite successful results in developing it?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 May 2020 05: 58 New
        12
        Quote: Tatiana
        if the USA itself has been intensively developing it for 10 years already and has quite successful results in terms of its development?

        Well, saying that doesn't mean getting married. Secondly ... the success of the development today is very controversial.
        Trump, without inventing a bicycle, did about the same as Putin did in his time, presenting 5 new types of weapons. I am sure in the near future and cartoons will show. But there is one more nuance, among all others, is that mattresses always overestimated the characteristics of their weapons in advertising bouquets, unlike our developers, who, on the contrary, significantly underestimated the performance characteristics of new products.
        Of course, mattresses will create something hyper-fast, but ... I think this will not happen now and not even after 5 years.
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 19 May 2020 06: 29 New
          +6
          Here you have a serious discrepancy. Cartoons were shown about specific products. Fictional / real, that’s not the point.
          And Trump made a purely political statement, very successful by the way. There is no military-technical component in this statement.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 20 May 2020 16: 18 New
            0
            Quote: codetalker
            Here you have a serious discrepancy. Cartoons were shown about specific products.

            Cartoons are cartoons, but ours veiledly showed the whole world the consequences of the kinetic impact of such weapons using the example of a destroyed hill near the Bureyskaya hydroelectric station, or do you still believe in a fairy tale about soil displacement and other crap,))))) When the states tell about something like that , then we will draw conclusions, while in their mountains only drones are teleporting crashing onto rocks.
            1. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 25 May 2020 14: 00 New
              -1
              And why did scientists scratch their turnips? Sirocco should have been asked right away. Without torture, he would have told how to block a river destroyed by a hill.
              1. Sirocco
                Sirocco 27 May 2020 11: 39 New
                0
                Do you know where to wake up and when?))))) For the gifted I inform you that these scientists are called geologists, so talk to them, not with the young but with those who are older, they will explain to you and the like that the radio station is not on an armored train, and either on lamps or transistors))))) When you talk, then write all sorts of things)))))
                1. Mikhail m
                  Mikhail m 27 May 2020 17: 12 New
                  0
                  Eh, Vladimir, you would need to tighten the little paper at least slightly, then, you look, and thoughts will be adequately perceived.
        2. isker
          isker 19 May 2020 09: 53 New
          +9
          and here you are - very mistaken ...
          if mattress mattresses DO NOT create at least something similar in FIVE years, then they don’t have a single chance to create anything!
          The degradation of US engineering is proceeding at a tremendous speed ... and this is good! )))
          1. 6895
            6895 25 May 2020 16: 55 New
            0
            As for degradation, you are serious. As I understand it, the prohibitive US GDP is the result of the sale of agricultural products.
      2. Hermit21
        Hermit21 19 May 2020 09: 45 New
        +2
        Where are they successful at?
      3. kori
        kori 20 May 2020 12: 53 New
        +2
        USA is possible, others are not. Everything is natural and understandable.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 19 May 2020 10: 01 New
      +1
      Come on .., just Disney went for a pansil. laughing
    3. avg
      avg 19 May 2020 12: 15 New
      +5
      I was interested in the comrades who put the disadvantages of "Mavrikiy". You really believe that this "super-purer", which is undergoing testing, flies 17 times faster than ours or Chinese hypersonic gliding warheads, the speed of which, according to various sources, is 15-27M. If yes then sorry request , and if not, then what the hell ...
    4. naburkin
      naburkin 19 May 2020 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quarantine multipliers, what cartoons are there)))
  2. Peter Tverdokhlebov
    Peter Tverdokhlebov 19 May 2020 04: 58 New
    +4
    What accuracy can a Long Range Hypersonic Weapon guided warhead have?
  3. martin-159
    martin-159 19 May 2020 04: 59 New
    -7
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    1. A lazy person, even a cartoon to make laziness or not enough money, everything went into a rocket?

    Here, apparently, either do cartoons or rockets.
  4. Grandfather
    Grandfather 19 May 2020 05: 02 New
    +2
    Americans always overestimate the indicators, while ours underestimate, so you need to imagine the characteristics of a "super-duper" Trump missile on this basis.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 19 May 2020 05: 53 New
      -2
      Quote: Dead Day
      Americans always overestimate, and ours underestimate

      They did not seem to underestimate the 9M729 range. On the contrary, they tried with all their might to prove that they overestimated it, even organized a briefing.
      1. bk316
        bk316 19 May 2020 14: 16 New
        0
        Americans always overestimate, and ours underestimate

        Read carefully here is NOT written

        Americans always overestimate their performance, and our indicators underestimate

        the meaning of the phrase is different

        Americans overestimate their performance and we underestimate our performance
  5. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2020 05: 04 New
    +4
    Obviously, the United States is not going to abandon its hypersonic program and is ready to invest any necessary funds in it.
    Do not go to a fortuneteller ...
    Consequently, over the next few years, in service with the American army, fundamentally new strike complexes will indeed appear.
    That there will be new ones, I have no doubt. That they will be fundamentally new and in a few years time - doubts, huge doubts ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 May 2020 05: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      That they will be fundamentally new and in a few years time - doubts, huge doubts ...

      good
      However, all this applies only to forms, but not to content. The recent statements by the American president are based on real cases of great interest and no less danger.

      We all perfectly remember the massive strikes of the Tomahawks in Syria. And the United States even determined (and I would like to write - determined) such blows a decisive role in achieving success. But the ardor "died down", as soon as most of the missiles did not find targets and was lost in space. Therefore, it is precisely from the USA that it is not necessary to expect any “super-duper” breakthrough technologies (after star wars, lunar landing, reusable missiles, invisible planes, railguns, laser guns and other “know-how”), or it will take a very long time.
      hi
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 May 2020 05: 38 New
    +4
    Our cartoons are more convincing than American ones.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 19 May 2020 07: 16 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      Our cartoons are more convincing than American ones.


      I agree. Especially Winnie the Pooh and Wait.
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 06: 01 New
    +2
    Well ... we have to work on "protection" ... there is an idea ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 07: 15 New
      +2
      Have you come up with your own script for the cartoon?)) laughing
      Faster to Soyuzmultfilm, Nikolaevich. No offense, you know me)))
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 09: 41 New
        +4
        Duc, what grievances can there be? "Scenario" is really, for now, "cartoonish"!
        (Oh, look, Nazarii! When I get the prize for the project, I will treat everyone with cognac ... but for someone, just request vodka!
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 09: 49 New
          +4
          Well, for the "Oscar" you could order a bath of champagne! With whatever be a model in it!))) laughing So do not press, do not press ...)))
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 10: 00 New
            +2
            Hmmm .... "fashion model in champagne ..."? what Why ... not a bad idea! yes I hope you will not participate in the casting? wink
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 10: 06 New
              +1
              I promise - no! I am not photogenic and weighs 95 kg. Where then to pour champagne ?! !! I will supplant everything according to the law of Archimedes !!!!
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 19 May 2020 12: 58 New
                0
                Where then to pour champagne ?! !! I will supplant everything according to the law of Archimedes !!!!
                You just have to take a bigger bath.
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 13: 09 New
                  +2
                  I do not want to ruin a virtual friend! This is double Champagne consumption!
  8. codetalker
    codetalker 19 May 2020 06: 25 New
    +8
    The fact is that there is only a form in the application. There is no content at all, the author of the article thought of it. And the form may seem ridiculous, but actually very successful. Trump, of course, feels his voter. No specifics, in the future any successful product can be attributed to this. And no one will understand 17 times or 7 times. And if there are no successful products, nothing too. A super-duper missile can be made for a long time ... But, in the short term, the electorate has the feeling that everything is super and ahead of the rest. Short and clear, in accordance with the average level of education of the American voter.
    1. really
      really 19 May 2020 06: 35 New
      +3
      The war of the news of the future began, as the boys in the sandbox.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 May 2020 06: 47 New
    +1
    all this applies only to forms, but not to content
    Maybe. But in life it often happens that the form is much more interesting than the content, which happens and does not exist as such.
  10. Eug
    Eug 19 May 2020 07: 03 New
    0
    I do not believe. They will burn at such speeds. And the area of ​​low pressure ahead of the flying object is not yet able to create. Plus, in parallel, the development of new principles of guidance, navigation and orientation should have been going on - no breakthroughs in this area (before practical application) have been heard. Maneuvering at these speeds is also a question. The trajectory, therefore, is predictable, the heat spot is huge - that is the chance for a successful interception. As for me, bluff in the style of another SDI. Trump badly needs the buns for the upcoming elections.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 19 May 2020 07: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Eug
      Maneuvering at such speeds is also a question.


      At such speeds, a slight decrease or increase in speed is also a maneuver. The estimated meeting point is in a fairly large range. He braked, gazanul - the interceptor had a problem. There is no need to lay dead loops and barrels.
      1. Eug
        Eug 19 May 2020 14: 58 New
        +1
        If maneuvering only by changing the speed, the flight path is predictable. Let him try to fly around the interceptor moving towards the predicted trajectory. Gas-dynamic controls will change the angle of attack for some period of time, thereby increasing heating and lateral overload. With such a high-pressure head, the risk of destroying the structure is very high.
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 19 May 2020 16: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Eug
          If maneuvering only by changing the speed, the flight path is predictable. Let him try to fly around the interceptor moving towards the predicted trajectory. Gas-dynamic controls will change the angle of attack for some period of time, thereby increasing heating and lateral overload. With such a high-pressure head, the risk of destroying the structure is very high.


          There will be no time for the forecast. Hyper. Whack and all. And to steer ... there are such loads on the body. Yes, and gas steering wheels will break nafig with cars.
  11. ZaDedov
    ZaDedov 19 May 2020 07: 12 New
    0
    And he would have shown a cartoon, then we would have laughed at him even more than now laughing
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 19 May 2020 07: 14 New
    +2
    It is unlikely that this can be called fundamentally new. Further development, improvement of existing systems.
    It is all becoming more dangerous, it’s understandable, but from real competitors, participants in this confrontation, no one stands still, so no one can sleep peacefully!
  13. prior
    prior 19 May 2020 07: 56 New
    -2
    The faster American missiles fly, the faster the northern fur animal will come to America.
    A sense of impunity and a possible easy victory will play with the striped a cruel joke.
    Shouted alone in Europe about super race in German ......
    1. Glaaki
      Glaaki 19 May 2020 13: 16 New
      0
      Shouted alone in Europe about super race in German ......

      That's just shut up his USSR. And we live in the spiritually fastened spiritual spiritual Super-Russian Super-Federation.
  14. KCA
    KCA 19 May 2020 08: 18 New
    +2
    But Donnie forgot that the United States has only experimental samples, and the Avangard and Dagger are in service, even American specialists were invited to launch the Avangard
  15. U-58
    U-58 19 May 2020 08: 55 New
    0
    First of all, I would not draw an analogy between Trump and Khrushchev, who once announced that we are making rockets like oven pies ...
    At the same time, rocket production in the USSR was just unfolding and real results were obtained by 58-60.
    Rather, an analogy with Putin is appropriate, which on the eve (and for) of his re-election showed cartoons to the world exactly 2 years ago.
    In addition, it should be noted that Americans have been engaged in hypersound for at least 50 years, being the undisputed leaders.
    Despite the militaristic orientation of their programs, they conducted these studies to a greater extent as scientific, but not practical.
    This was the reason for their lag in the practical military sphere.
    But I think this is not for long.
    The work of Russia and China was an incentive to create different hyper-super-duper bells and whistles.
    There is no doubt that a great technological power will quickly catch up.
    Therefore, it’s not worth relaxing, swelling from leaven of patriotism.
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  18. cniza
    cniza 19 May 2020 09: 35 New
    +2
    It makes no difference what speed the combat unit shows - 5M or 20M. In any case, its interception is an extremely difficult task, which requires special solutions.


    Here there will be no comic competitions.
  19. domovoy doma
    domovoy doma 19 May 2020 09: 38 New
    -2
    With their funding and developments, they will have super-duper missiles, it's just a matter of time.
  20. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 19 May 2020 09: 41 New
    +1
    The Americans have the best electronics (which we all try to buy up on a draft, and the Americans, laughing, plant our squinting agents, directed by gastropod analysts). So their electronic missile control units will be out of competition, at least ours. These missiles, naturally, will be anti-aircraft, since whoever is the master in the air, who can drive bombers and low-speed hunters with impunity, he won.
    The Americans have not yet been able to achieve hypersound. But 7-8 thousand kilometers per hour, plus a cool electronic stuffing - and all of our aircraft will be debris on the ground. And for the remnants of something flying in Australia they make unmanned flocks for escort. In general, yes, Trump really has, or is about to have super-super-racks.
    1. fider
      fider 19 May 2020 12: 51 New
      0
      Mikhail3
      Hypersound is sound, and hypersonic speed is with Mach (M) numbers above 5.
      1224 x 5 = 6120. So 7-8 t km / h is already hypersonic.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 19 May 2020 17: 09 New
        -2
        I am careless with the terms) A hypersonic missile, with which you can sink aircraft carriers, is somewhere around 14-15 km / h. Everything else is not hypersound yet. From a practical point of view.
    2. Maks winter
      Maks winter 19 May 2020 21: 42 New
      0
      but do you know that on board each, if I’m not mistaken, second military side of the mattress covers, is electronics from the Middle Kingdom?)
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 20 May 2020 09: 12 New
        0
        Yes) One must be very alternatively gifted in order not to understand this. Not wanting to print another sheet, I’ll just say that weapons should be cheap, especially those that are sold to the state for huge amounts of money. Moreover, the solid part of this weapon is generally inoperative, and so it is conceived. Why is everything so - think, read, learn.
        But there are weapons and WEAPONS. There is something that solves the matter. The future depends on him. And the ability to produce such weapons quickly, in large volumes, to cope with it despite losses, sabotage, and inevitable accidents in the war (that is, you have a very large reserve of people and capacities that are capable of this) determines whether you can win at all. If you have a dozen secret laboratories, your belief in security, or even superiority, is simply ridiculous.
        To understand the topic, you need to think a lot, a lot ...
    3. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx 20 May 2020 20: 37 New
      0
      Americans have the best electronics ...
      there is such
      The Americans failed to achieve hypersound yet
      It was possible, moreover, on the manned spacecraft X-15
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 21 May 2020 08: 53 New
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        No, failed. There is no extensive advertising campaign that would instantly begin if the Americans had at least something remotely similar to a stable result. Well, in this kids are 100% predictable. They do not yet have sound hypersound on their hair, only nonsense that was launched in order to warm the Americanophiles with hope.
        1. Carnifexx
          Carnifexx 21 May 2020 11: 31 New
          0
          Pasta Old26:
          1. Cruise missile X-51. May 1, 2013 reached a speed of 5,1M
          2. Cruise missile X-43A. November 16, 2004 reached a speed of 9,6M
          3. Planning AHW combat unit. 25.8.2014/8/XNUMX reached a speed of XNUMXM
          4. Planning HTV combat unit. 20.04.2010/20/XNUMX reached a speed of the order of XNUMXM

          Well, in this kids are 100% predictable
          Somehow your predictions don't work very well.

          They have no sane hypersound for their hair so far, only nonsense that was launched in order to warm the Americanophiles with hope
          Trump's verbal interventions are not for "Americanophiles" (as well as the NI articles are not for Russian "patriots"), but to create an image of a strong leader in front of voters, the elections in the United States are coming soon, the Democratic primaries are over, this time the opponent is stronger, and Trump himself weaker (due to crown-chan) and chatter and tweet like mad. But US technology is US technology.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 21 May 2020 19: 17 New
            0
            Maybe, where would the military use of these wonderful missiles have been stronger? The Americans seem to have enough goals. And they know how to conduct shooting great. What publicity could be taken from a well-organized single-shot, it’s scary to think! But why is everything suspiciously quiet, do not you think?
            20 Machs in the atmosphere? Seriously? Do Americans have supermaterial capable of fending off the heat flux corresponding to this speed? Yes, there aren’t any missiles here either, with such thermal insulation you can just do wonders. Or were maneuvers in outer space accidentally captured? There can be more acceleration, no problem.
            1. Carnifexx
              Carnifexx 22 May 2020 08: 37 New
              0
              What you need to understand in hypersonic weapons:
              It cannot have a large warhead - otherwise it will be insanely expensive.
              Since the small warhead needs high accuracy
              High-precision weapons that would have a speed of 4 + M (not even official hypersound) in dense layers are not available in principle (Dagger-Iskander 50 + m !!! - it makes sense only in the presence of nuclear warheads), and this is difficult to achieve because the device flies in a plasma cloud
              Well, now I think it’s clear why the issue of application is not worth it. It’s just that some boast about what isn’t there or is it so crude that it is not applicable in real combat conditions.

              20 Machs in the atmosphere?
              HTV planning warhead. In dense layers it is smaller, but the shield allows you to enter the atmosphere and maneuver, so this is a completely hypersonic weapon such as a glider. As a result, his average speed is significantly higher than 5M. But again, controllability and price.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 22 May 2020 08: 44 New
                0
                Hypersound is generally insanely expensive. Suddenly. Therefore, 4M is not hypersound at all. The main damaging effect of a hypersonic missile is simply a kinetic blow, because the main goal of hypersound is large American ships, where 50 m is acceptable, although with difficulty, but the speed should be over 10M. Yes, seeing through the plasma layer is not easy. Fortunately, a cool weapon is generally a complicated thing) But it’s not easy - it doesn’t mean impossible!
                Unfortunately, you have understood little from my posts ... Think again. For example, about who owns patents for the world's best video processing software ...
  21. 1536
    1536 19 May 2020 09: 49 New
    -1
    Again this "untranslatable pun"?
    But the American president did not take into account one thing: the American "super-super-missile" cannot surpass Russian "super-super-super-rocket"... After all, it was not enough for him to have been in Russia, otherwise he would have surprised the entire "civilized world" with not such words.
    And we are accustomed to American showers, experience in shooting down high- and fast-flying air targets of American production has existed since May 1960.
  22. nalogoplatelschik
    nalogoplatelschik 19 May 2020 10: 00 New
    -1
    author -> author -> author, current rockets are undoubtedly more serious than those of the past, so it has become a spawn. So it goes.
  23. Klingon
    Klingon 19 May 2020 10: 28 New
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    Rogozin did not apply to insert his 5 kopecks, seeing a speck in the eyes of others and not noticing the log in his own. I remember the promised trampolines too
    1. avg avg
      avg avg 20 May 2020 04: 53 New
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      Do not distort. Today, Americans do not have independent access to the ISS.
      And the words about the trampoline were said as a sad outcome for the mattresses in case of refusal to cooperate with Russia.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 20 May 2020 16: 24 New
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        five minutes already have. they will complete this or that program, and we will remain with trampolines amid Rogozin's smile. Roscosmos except for the work of a cab driver for the ISS is nothing of itself. At the moment, we are not able to start any AWS normally. Yes, and nothing to run! and nothing. As such, we do not have a coherent space program. Rather, it is, but everything is on paper, Federations, Eagles, moon bases,
  24. Essex62
    Essex62 19 May 2020 10: 40 New
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    In any case, we have an advantage. The goal for their carriers is too big. Even if Moscow is covered by this, Russia will not end, the main thing for us is to have the coordinates of the masons, those who can only decide to strike, and keep them in sight. All will not be knocked down, the atoll will melt with some sort of family in the bunker. And not the fact that the bunker will withstand. The gut is thin on us, the Russian Federation is more likely to be torn apart by compradors from the inside.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 May 2020 10: 47 New
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      The goal is to make you capitulate. We still remember how actor Reagan just made a Star Wars movie and ...
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 19 May 2020 12: 28 New
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        There is nothing about this film and this fairy tale about how our people rushed to parity in these cartoons, supposedly restoring, allegedly believing. The leadership of the USSR was not. Traitors were, yes. Hence the result.
        1. iouris
          iouris 19 May 2020 16: 46 New
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          Quote: Essex62
          Traitors were, yes. Hence the result.

          Result: they managed to take power, create their own state. Where did they go? Be absent.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 20 May 2020 06: 27 New
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            Who is where. One now, it seems, in Germany, many to this day in power and grandmothers. The last in the Kremlin and the State Duma.
      2. Pavel57
        Pavel57 20 May 2020 20: 55 New
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        Reagan also made the entrance of the Shuttle into the atmosphere over Moscow.
  25. bars1
    bars1 19 May 2020 11: 26 New
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    The Americans, too, first laughed at Putin's cartoons. Not even over their content, but primitive execution. But then it was no laughing matter. So do not laugh. And Rogozin once again showed his nearness.
  26. gregor6549
    gregor6549 19 May 2020 12: 48 New
    +1
    There is another round of the arms race and it is not surprising that the leading world powers (USA, Russia, China, etc.) are trying to overtake each other in this race so that, God forbid, this weapon will have to be used to get at least some advantages for some reason There is nothing new in this and history has repeatedly shown that any weapon, even a super duper, does not in itself ensure victory in a military conflict.
    The fact that the leaders of the leading world powers from time to time "shake the air" with loud statements is nothing unusual. The process is generally normal in any politics. What if a potential adversary gets scared and starts investing in armaments unaffordable money. And there is no need for war. And so such an enemy will collapse. It has already happened more than once. A typical example is Reagan's "star wars", when some leaders of the USSR bought into the US threats to create strategic space-based weapons and began to invest in the defense industry unbearable funds for the USSR. And then it turned out that the "Star Wars" were a bluff and the United States failed to create anything worthwhile from the "promises". But .... this bluff seriously strained the forces of the USSR and was one of the reasons (albeit not the main one) of the collapse of the USSR.
    It is possible that now we are witnessing a similar bluff, moreover, a multifaceted bluff, when not one country is already bluffing, but several. And here again the economic opportunities of such countries come to the fore. Until recently, such opportunities were incomparably greater in the USA and China than in the Russian Federation. What will happen in the near future i.e. it’s hard to say after a coronavirus pandemic, because the economy is collapsing for everyone and who can swim to the surface with minimal losses, even Woland with his cat would not undertake to predict. In addition, the United States was not going to fight with Russia and is not going to, realizing that such a war is the end of everything and everything. And Russia, on its own initiative, is unlikely to fight the United States for the same reasons. The US conflict with China is quite likely, but jokes with China are bad now. Yes, in terms of military technology, China is still lagging behind the United States, but in terms of human resources, the United States and China have not been close by. Therefore, there is a proposal to calmly relate to loud statements from whoever they come from and calmly do their job.
    And by the way about the birds, that is, about hypersonic missiles. It is useful to recall that the United States put forward the idea of ​​creating hypersonic missile weapons back in 1991 after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in order to be able to quickly respond to terrorist attacks and strike terrorists anywhere in the world in a very short time. Then the leadership of the Russian Federation made similar statements. Those. both countries started developing hypersound a long time ago. The United States, however, then restrained these developments, deciding that a more effective way to combat terrorists (real and fictional) is to send troops into the areas of interest to the United States, which ensures, on the one hand, a fairly high (in their opinion) effectiveness of the fight against terrorists, and on the other ensures effective grabbing of natural resources in the same areas. But the groundwork for hypersound has not gone anywhere, and now they take it out of the shelves, dust off and try to attach it somewhere. Moreover, yesterday's "partners" have again become the most likely opponents, which means they will allocate enough money for the resuscitation of the super duper hyper, etc., and the military-industrial complex / defense-industrial complex will not remain hungry, and even something will remain for feeding the politicians.
  27. Last centurion
    Last centurion 19 May 2020 13: 09 New
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    Trump’s eco-boss is in charge ... the pre-election period has already come, but there’s nothing to show ... well, he could have called mega duper the superintelligent megagalactic rocket ... but after a year or so after 4 their next president will see polish the rocket fairing ...
  28. faterdom
    faterdom 19 May 2020 13: 18 New
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    That's interesting: is Trump capable of signing a budget for the Pentagon to develop rockets flying 17 times faster than the speed of light in a vacuum? Yes, even publicly boast about it?
    "Scientists" are easily found for such a matter, lobbying admirals - too (interestingly, do they have admiral ranks in space forces, or generals?). There would be a budget ...
  29. Old26
    Old26 19 May 2020 14: 16 New
    +4
    [quote = Mavrikiy] [quote] 2. 17 times - cool. Standing in service with whom. Us - I do not believe. Take Korean rockets, it will be beautiful. repeat[/ Quote]
    It’s not clear at all, what is the 17 times higher speed? Concerning the subsonic "Tomahawk" or "Harpoon" or relative to the "Minuteman-3". In the first case, it is real. In the second case - bullshit

    [quote = U-58] First of all, I would not draw an analogy between Trump and Khrushchev, who once announced that we were making rockets like baking cakes .. [/ quote]
    Actually, he said that we make rockets like sausages, not cakes laughing

    [quote = U-58] An analogy with Putin is more appropriate, which on the eve of (and for) his re-election showed cartoons to the world exactly 2 years ago. [/ quote]
    And Donald’s election in November this year. So the analogy is quite appropriate

    [quote = Michael3] The Americans have not yet been able to achieve hypersound. But 7-8 thousand kilometers per hour, plus a cool electronic stuffing - and all our planes will be debris on the ground. And for the remnants of something flying in Australia they make unmanned flocks for escort. In general, yes, Trump really has, or is about to have super-super-racks. [/ Quote]
    Not able to reach hypersonic speed yet?
    1. Cruise missile X-51. May 1, 2013 reached a speed of 5,1M
    2. Cruise missile X-43A. November 16, 2004 reached a speed of 9,6M
    3. Planning AHW combat unit. 25.8.2014/8/XNUMX reached a speed of XNUMXM
    4. Planning HTV combat unit. 20.04.2010/20/XNUMX reached a speed of the order of XNUMXM
    This is to the question that they "have not yet managed to reach hypersonic speed"

    [quote = 1536] And we are accustomed to American showers, experience in shooting down high- and fast-flying air targets of American production has existed since May 1960. [/ quote]
    The subsonic U-2 has already become a fast-flying aerial target. How then to characterize from this point of view their three-swing SR-71 ???? laughing
    1. YakimovSS
      YakimovSS 20 May 2020 11: 25 New
      -1
      The problem of hypersound is not in achieving speed, but in maintaining the stability of the trajectory and controllability indicators. And here the USA somehow doesn’t really succeed. And 20 Machs and meteorites near Chelyabinsk are developing.
      1. Carnifexx
        Carnifexx 20 May 2020 20: 30 New
        0
        Who does it work?
  30. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 May 2020 17: 06 New
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    to accelerate to such speeds, a significant amount of fuel will still be required - which means the product will be VERY large, and its actual striking part cannot be large (otherwise it will not be long-range or will not be well protected, or it will not be extremely bulky and certainly not multi-platform). Such huge speeds and maneuvering at them will require a significant increase in the cost of the structure - through multiple redundancy of the "filling", expensive highly specialized composites, etc. Otherwise, the product will not be reliable enough by the standards of a modern high-precision military product. All this will make such a device too expensive and, at the same time, an exclusively point-like device, most likely suitable for hitting certain stationary objects that exclude the spread of power over a large area.
    I am leading to the fact that such developments are excessively expensive even for high-precision military developments, while they will have reduced power and reliability relative to analogues - all this "super-duper-theme" is somewhat reminiscent of the rocket hysteria of the Third Reich with its complete absurdity with the point of view of military economy and expediency. I understand why we and the PRC are developing such a topic - we have the temptation to launch large and expensive targets, bypassing their defensive order - the withdrawal of both aircraft carriers and based nuclear submarines would be a very successful step in terms of confrontation with the United States. However, for the United States, the development of such systems is a gamble on the verge of insanity, because to defeat key command posts in the depths of the enemy's defenses, this, most likely relying more on kinetic power, ammunition will not work in the best way, it is even less advisable to spend it on dispersed silos, and it is all the more stupid to spend it on earth complexes on which we rely to a large extent.
    I think that the Americans fell for their "scam" into the arms race and are now mastering significant funds in the dead-end directions of hypersonic super missiles and hypersonic interceptors. Uncle Sam is getting old and gradually slipping into senile dementia ..
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 20 May 2020 09: 07 New
      -1
      Budget development is the only goal of such developments and possible implementations. There is no doubt that all the factors voiced by you, by their army men, are taken into account. Well, Trump escapades are generally not worth taking into account.
  31. 3vs
    3vs 19 May 2020 17: 38 New
    -1
    The question is, have the Americans leaked the "avant-garde" developments?
  32. Old26
    Old26 19 May 2020 18: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: 3vs
    The question is, have the Americans leaked the "avant-garde" developments?

    Do not think that they themselves will not be able to do anything. They have enough of their own experience. So there is no need to "drain" materials on "Vanguard"
  33. NordUral
    NordUral 19 May 2020 18: 47 New
    -1
    All types of hypersonic missile systems have obvious advantages and high combat potential. Moreover, they are purely shock weapons. Receiving and putting on duty serial systems with a hypersonic warhead can be a serious threat to third countries. So, American arms naturally bother Russia and China.

    It makes no difference what speed the combat unit shows - 5M or 20M. In any case, its interception is an extremely difficult task, which requires special solutions. Whether any countries have such technologies is not yet clear. For this reason, the amusing wording of “super-super-racket” does not look so funny anymore.

    It is obvious that the United States is not going to abandon its hypersonic program and is ready to invest any necessary funds in it. Consequently, over the next few years, in service with the American army, fundamentally new strike complexes will indeed appear. Therefore, other countries should focus on both defense systems and retaliation. However, a healthy laugh will not hurt, unless it interferes with an objective assessment of threats.

    Have a good laugh? Something is not funny to me, to a simple person from Peter Street.
  34. Maks winter
    Maks winter 19 May 2020 21: 46 New
    +1
    if I don’t confuse anything, then 17 moves are possible only in the stratosphere ....
  35. YakimovSS
    YakimovSS 20 May 2020 11: 21 New
    -1
    In short, then:
    We do not have missiles flying at Mach 5-6, we will immediately take 17!

    Man, what!
  36. sagitch
    sagitch 20 May 2020 18: 30 New
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    It is not respectable for a president to say "super duper" like that. As a huckster from the near abroad, with a 3-grade education in the market, a railway station-mozal, a shashlik-mashlik ... Trump does not have enough cultures.
  37. Egor53
    Egor53 20 May 2020 18: 58 New
    -4
    The US is hopelessly behind Russia in rocket technology. For the second decade, the United States has been purchasing RD-180 rocket engines from Russia, and not at all because of its cheapness, but simply cannot do anything close by itself. This is despite the fact that on the RD-180s they received ALL documentation more than 15 years ago.
    And there is nothing surprising here. In the United States, more than 14% of the population is illiterate (this is officially, in reality, more than 20%), at the level of ignorance of the alphabet.
    The country, which occupies 113th place in the world in terms of literacy, is not able to independently develop complex technologies.
    As for the American army, it is capable of fighting only with the Papuans.
    Judge for yourself, if on warships, according to American laws, you need to have not 2 types of toilets (for male and female), but at least 4-5, and this number is growing, how can such an army fight?
    And if, during the hostilities, transgender people with transvestites don’t come to a common opinion, which toilet should anyone go to ... in accordance with their great democracy?
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 21 May 2020 06: 24 New
      0
      So far, we and the Chinese, like theirs, can have at least ten different floors on ships.
      There is no adversary, the whole world is united, globally scratching towards a bright capitalistic future. All these boats, rackets, tanks, nothing more than a game of toy soldiers.
      Well, or the Papuans drive.