The network is discussing the poster of the Chinese Huawei, comparing itself with the Soviet IL-2


The poster of the Chinese digital giant Huawei, which decided to visualize under what blows it has to carry out its activities today, is being discussed on the network. The poster shows the Soviet combat aircraft Il-2.


The peculiarity of this photo is that the attack aircraft literally riddled with ammunition of the enemy, but, despite this, he continues his flight.

The Chinese company added its inscription on this poster:

Without scars there will be no rough skin and strong muscles. Heroes always went through difficulties.



Thus, Huawei is hinting at US sanctions pressure, under which the company has been lately. The United States is doing everything to eliminate its Chinese competitor in the global digital technology market. And this is done in the format of unfair competition, when they try to connect the so-called economic and administrative resource to the matter.

The other day it became known that the United States is trying to interfere with the supply of chips for Huawei. Beijing replied that if Washington goes to such artificial restrictions, then China will be forced to act symmetrically. American, Apple, Qualcomm and Cisco may be subject to restrictions.

Returning to the comparison with the aircraft, which the Chinese manufacturers of high-tech devices depicted on their poster. IL-2 was created in OKB-240 under the leadership of Sergei Ilyushin. It is the most massive aircraft not only among attack aircraft, but also in stories combat aviation generally. It was produced during the years of World War II - from 1941 to 1945. During this time, almost 36 thousand IL-2 attack aircraft were built by factories.

Considering the fact that Hitler troops and their allies tried to shoot down the Soviet IL-2 during the Second World War, the image of the damaged attack aircraft used by the Chinese company eloquently indicates how exactly American sanctions are considered in modern China.

Comments on the network:

Huawei has made good public relations in the international market.

But China is openly telling the United States how it perceives them today.
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  1. svp67 18 May 2020 13: 04 New
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    Hmm ... and took as an example the converted single IL-2 with a pair of DA machine guns, similar to that installed on the TB-3. I wonder if these were really ...
    And so, the United States is trying to ban Huawei from entering the market of the same Canada, but actively promoting its products there. Sooner or later, if it is not possible to agree, then similar economic contradictions are decided by the war
    1. Thrall 18 May 2020 13: 12 New
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      At the same time, in the homeland of Ilov:

      From the Instagram of the mayor of Novosibirsk smile
      1. Shkworen 18 May 2020 14: 04 New
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        Was the MiG-3 a biplane? :)
        Maybe this is AN-2? :)
        1. smart ass 18 May 2020 14: 55 New
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          The mayor of Novosibirsk is excusable
      2. Peter is not the first 18 May 2020 14: 30 New
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        I don’t know what kind of picture they give out as the publication of the mayor of Novosibirsk, but here’s what he has on this topic on his Instagram account:
        https://www.instagram.com/p/B_7dte8JfpV/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
      3. gurzuf 18 May 2020 14: 34 New
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        Yes! It’s sad. It is sad that there is such a thing.
    2. Bashkirkhan 18 May 2020 13: 12 New
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      The picture shows a sample of 1941-42, i.e. "humpbacked", the place of the shooter is more likely a remake in the field at the airport, but not like a non-factory product. It consisted of the following: outside the armored hull in the fuselage behind the gas tank located behind the pilot, an air gunner’s cockpit was mounted, in which a half-round installation was equipped with one 7,62 mm machine gun WKAS or a coaxial installation of 7,62 mm DA machine guns. An air gunner sat on a transverse canvas tape behind the armored partition of the rear gas tank. This design made it possible without a special reduction in flight performance to protect the aircraft as much as possible from fighter attacks from the rear of the hemisphere. The only drawback of such an alteration of the aircraft was the complete insecurity of the air gunner, who was outside the armored corps and was not protected from fire from the ground and fighters.
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        1. Bashkirkhan 18 May 2020 13: 19 New
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          But this photo is not from the game.
          1. BISMARCK94 18 May 2020 13: 21 New
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            unique aircraft survivability ships envy
            1. Bashkirkhan 18 May 2020 13: 31 New
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              Musa Gaisinovich Gareev, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, in the book "Attack aircraft are on target" talked about this aircraft, how durable and reliable it was. During World War II, Gareev fought in attack aircraft in the sky of Stalingrad, on the Mius Front, in the Crimea and Ukraine, in Belarus and the Baltic states, ending his military career in Germany. The book can be downloaded. I’ll cite the passage “A little more, quite a bit! And suddenly I hear Sasha’s excited voice:
              Comrade Commander, two fighters are approaching. Do you understand me? Two "thin" fit!
              I see, Sasha, I see. Hold on, buddy!
              I reach the last meters, turn off the camera and, maneuvering, I go to the front line. Late! Kiryanov reports:
              Turn around, go tail
              The shooter's voice is calm and firm: now he finally enters the fray. And in battle, Sasha Kiryanov is always like that.
              I hear the rumble of a machine gun Kiryanov. Will drive away or not drive away? And the airfield is still far away!
              Bullets hit the right wing. Koshu's eyes to the right the plane is broken. I throw the plane from side to side, I am leaving from aimed fire.
              Come on the left, go on the left! reports Kiryanov. I begin to maneuver, but the line from the Messerschmitt still gets me. Now the hole is in the left plane. The plane is getting heavier, but still going well. Just to pull over the front line! Throw the plane down: you need to cover the "belly". If the Messerschmitts get to the plane from below, we will have to tight. The Kiryanov below will not get them, and they will knock us in two. Better attack from above.
              Machine gun Kiryanova rumbles to the limit. “Well done, Sasha, I think. Will beat. Now it’s most convenient for him to do it. ”
              And suddenly the machine-gun shot breaks.
              I scream
              Sasha, Sasha! You are alive?
              Kiryanov is silent.
              "Really killed?" a thought flickers, and at the same second the dashboard on my plane shatters. I feel that a little hurt me too. But it’s nothing. After all, we still reached the front edge. Now the task is to fly it. But how to do that?
              The motor gives outages. Here he is completely silent. And immediately there comes an unusual silence after the noise of motors.
              There are no fascist fighters. Why did they retreat, why didn’t they finish? ..
              Later it turned out that we were saved by a thick smoke trail that stretched after my crashed plane. It turns out that a fragment of an enemy shell pierced the oil cooler, and the oil began to fly out, forming a long smoke band in the air. The Nazis decided that we were on fire and turned to our airfield. Usually they always finished off doomed planes, shot the pilots who had thrown out with parachutes, but now for some reason they changed their bestial rules.
              Now you could think about landing.
              The speed dropped every second. The machine almost did not obey, and I squeezed out everything I could from it.
              The front line of our troops is left behind. The earth is getting closer and closer. Around the funnel, trenches, pits. Then you turn your neck on foot, not like on a plane! And suddenly a blow, a crack, a rattle. A plane is enveloping a cloud of dust
              Having regained consciousness, I hail my arrow. A weak moan comes from Kiryanov’s cabin: alive! Need to help. I strain my strength, I hurry to the Kiryanov’s cabin.
              Fortunately, the wound was not severe. I helped a friend get out of the cab and rushed to the camera. It must be removed, because there is a film, the regiment commander is waiting for the pictures. "
              1. Snail N9 18 May 2020 18: 13 New
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                During the Battle of Kursk, four German fighters, one of which was controlled by an inspector who arrived at the front and checked the condition of the Luftwaffe, met with a lone attack aircraft. The Germans immediately fell into his tail, as the plane was seen as easy prey.

                First, the first fighter entered the tail and fired its ammunition into the attack aircraft. IL-2 continued to fly. Then came the second, third, fourth. The inspector, who did not believe his own eyes, contacted by radio with the pilots who took off and asked what was actually happening and why this Russian stuffed with their shells was still not falling. They immediately answered him on the radio:

                “Herr Colonel. You won’t bite your butt in the ass, but it’s better not to mess with him from the muzzle. ”

                https://zen.yandex.ru/media/valerongrach/pochemu-etot-russkii-ne-padaet-gerr-polkovnik--eja-v-zadnicu-ne-ukusish-5a9c05a6168a91949e553b52
              2. 75 Sergey 18 May 2020 18: 22 New
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                Eh, they should have gone with cover, but they sent one as a scout.
                it is a pity that there was no closer interaction between the military branches.
                1. Albert1988 18 May 2020 19: 03 New
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                  Quote: 75Sergey
                  Eh, they should have gone with cover, but they sent one as a scout.
                  it is a pity that there was no closer interaction between the military branches.

                  Sometimes cars for cover were simply not enough ...
                2. Snail N9 18 May 2020 19: 45 New
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                  Actually, in my opinion from Zemfirov, I read a more detailed description of this battle of a lone attack aircraft with four German fighters. He was brought in his recollections by one of the German aces. According to his story, the four German fighters, consisting of experienced leaders and young wingmen, flew out to "free hunt" to train young people. On the way back they noticed a lone IL-2 which was already damaged by anti-aircraft fire (it had a large hole to the wing). Considering it a convenient target for developing the skills of not experienced followers, the facilitators allowed them to carry out single attacks, and they themselves began to observe the battle. The attack aircraft noticed the danger and pressed close to the ground. German young pilots were afraid to dive low to the ground and left the attack earlier than needed by firing from afar which did no harm to the attack aircraft. In addition, they were prevented by the spotty camouflage color of the IL-2 and the attack aircraft gunner, who fired quite accurately, not allowing them to precisely aim. In the end, the experienced pilots who were tired of this disaster, recalled the followers and began to shoot the attack aircraft together. The attack aircraft did not fly straight, but maneuvered at low altitude, trying to fly a snake. In the end, he got a lot of hits, the shooter was either killed or seriously injured - everyone saw the bulged barrel of a machine gun and its figure hanging on its belts. The Germans became bolder and began to attack more aggressively. However, the pilot of the attack aircraft fought competently, during one of the German attacks, he turned his plane around, made a slide and with the fire of VY cannons knocked out one lead. He went to his airfield, along with his wingman, leaving two of his colleagues who continued to attack the impudent Russian. And so, when the Germans launched another attack, the Russian pilot deployed the plane and went to the frontal, firing from nasal firing points. The Germans shied away in different directions, while the driven German ace had a motor breakdown or he got hit and had to turn around and go to his airfield. The remaining German pilot ace launched several more attacks, in which the Russian began to constantly try to turn to the frontal. In the end, the Germans ran out of shells and he had to leave, as he put it, “crazy Russian” and return to his airfield after uttering a later famous phrase to the inspector’s question why 4 German planes couldn’t shoot down one “Russian”: “Herr Colonel. You won’t bite your butt in the ass, but from the side of the muzzle, as you yourself saw, it’s better not to mess with him ”...
          2. sabakina 18 May 2020 13: 23 New
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            Bashkirkhan, well, where do you think the shooter sits?
            1. Bashkirkhan 18 May 2020 13: 33 New
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              Sits on a transverse canvas tape behind the rear gas tank’s armored partition
              1. sabakina 18 May 2020 13: 36 New
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                Bashkirkhan, by God, does not want to insert a picture of Faina Ranevskaya with her winged phrase.
          3. reservist 18 May 2020 13: 52 New
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            one more picture ...
            the pilot reached the airfield, but had to land "on the belly" ...
      2. BISMARCK94 18 May 2020 13: 18 New
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        This is a screenshot from the game Il-2 under filters and improvements
      3. beeper 18 May 2020 15: 08 New
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        As a child, I often went to my mother’s work related to aviation, and everyone, in their own way, tried to take me, a small live-bearer, to drag me, who taught me how to draw airplanes and who explained the basics of aerodynamics, who showed training for example, air guns and air bombs or airplanes and helicopters — for some reason I liked the navigational place in the cabin’s nose most of all, from the lantern of which I could see in all directions, like on the balcony, looking into the large flat glass in front below, I imagined I was flying high above the ground winked .
        But most of all he liked to listen to the stories of pilots and aircraft technicians about the war, with expressive, bewitching, gesticulating with their hands - “airplanes” ...

        Reading the Article and Comments, I recalled a story about the urgent alteration of our legendary attack aircraft, right at the front-line airfield, of the "humpbacked" single IL-2s to doubles, with an air gunner ...
        They took a metal barrel out of gasoline, cut a round hole in the fuselage behind the cockpit and fastened (riveted?) The barrel, a machine gun turret to it, .... and the place of the air gunner is ready. That surprised me very much (the shooter in a barrel and the alteration of a combat aircraft right at the field airfield, and not at the aircraft factory ...), which is why I remembered it. winked
        And already in the factory double IL-2, located in front of the air gunner, closed "on the latch" and wide open (for access to the shturtrosov glued from wood veneer, the rear of the fuselage) thin (from memory, only 6 mm thick?) Double the flat armored doors, which only "protected" him from enemy shells and bullets, received a front-line nickname"gates of paradise"....
        1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 15: 36 New
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          Quote: pishchak
          As a child, I often

          Comrade, welcome! There is a wonderful book about attack pilots "IN MILITARY AIR."
          Author: Vasily Emelianenko. You can tell a documentary and now rereading it and superimposing on childhood memories of the stories of the cousin of the pilot’s cousin and the leader of our aircraft modeling club, also an attack pilot, I recreate their military heroic everyday life.
          1. Doctor 20 May 2020 08: 41 New
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            There is a wonderful book about attack pilots "IN MILITARY AIR."

            There is abruptly, in my opinion.
            Timothy Lyadsky. "Notes from the flight tablet."

            These are not memories, but diaries that he kept, despite the prohibition.
            That is, everything is there, as he thought and acted then.
            He survived, GSS, flew with Beregovym.
      4. sedoj 18 May 2020 16: 35 New
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        I recalled from the classics:
        1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 17: 13 New
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          Quote: sedoj
          I recalled from the classics:

          "Um ..." - the pilot was surprised, looking into the dugout, - and here the button accordion found ...
          In the dugout, behind the door, curtained by a raincoat, a reclining politician was located. With his head bandaged over his shoulder, he wrote something quickly. Rogachev, raising his eyes to the ceiling, looked at one point, and soft, intimate sounds of variations on Russian themes flowed from under his fingers. Several sailors in unbuttoned jackets sat and listened thoughtfully.
          Rogachev suddenly broke the melody and, accompanying himself, sang a song of air shooters:

          Spins, turns "silt" over the mountain,
          Spinning, spinning hero pilot
          A guy is sitting in the back cabin.
          The guy’s position is an air gunner.


          The last words of the song were drowned in the roar of explosions. Between the logs of the ceiling, earth fell.
          - Look, you bastard, how crazy! Someone maliciously gritted his teeth.
          “The amateur activity is being curtailed for a while,” Rogachev announced, passing the button accordion to the sailor, and stood up.
          The dugout shuddered in explosions. "
          Ivan Arsentiev. Book: Harsh Air.
      5. C0BA 20 May 2020 05: 35 New
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        This is a picture from a computer toy. And this photo was discussed "in the vast", about five years ago, as already, approximately.
    3. Uncle lee 18 May 2020 13: 14 New
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      Huawei, comparing itself with the Soviet IL-2
      Well, straight "Our answer to Curzon", in the Chinese interpretation!
      And the T-34 tank for which firmness will they take? repeat
      1. Nasrat 18 May 2020 13: 21 New
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        Il from the poster huavei - the screen of the game "IL-2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Stalingrad" ......

        1. edmed 18 May 2020 13: 30 New
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          Quote: Nasr
          NasRat (Evlampy Spiridonovich)

          The company did not answer. They probably decide what to do with the "designer girl".
        2. PalBor 18 May 2020 14: 09 New
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          Or they think that for every strange person whom you don’t feed with bread, give to get to the bottom of every pillar, you won’t get any bytes to answer.
        3. KERMET 18 May 2020 20: 44 New
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          IL-2 BZS is a slightly different game, and there is nothing criminal in using a screenshot of the game
    4. unaha 18 May 2020 13: 21 New
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      In terms of sanctions for Huawei, everything is just beginning (if not agreed). And she will have a lot of problems. And on 5G, and on chips and on iron. Is that the capacity of the Chinese wound will help to stay.
      1. AllBiBek 18 May 2020 14: 49 New
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        There is an Indian nearby, and there will be a real fight for him. What it is now is warming up.
        Indians, of course, have their own manufacturers, but they are far from China.
      2. boss 18 May 2020 20: 36 New
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        Rather, the capacity of the entire global market, the huave in many countries have ALREADY mounted 5G networks, not counting the contracts concluded and in the process.
        the Americans reacted late and are trying to catch up with the departed engine.
        But if the tea shops stop producing "American apples", it will be interesting to leave the United States without phones)
        1. unaha 19 May 2020 08: 25 New
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          China certainly has measures to influence the situation, both a stub and a Boeing. But so far they have not been implemented, and TSMC has already been persuaded to build a new production in the USA and to abandon the production of processors for Huawei.
    5. Kuroneko 18 May 2020 13: 24 New
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      Quote: svp67
      I wonder if these were really ...

      The lack of an air gunner greatly damaged the IL-2. On the battlefield, the aircraft suffered huge losses from enemy fighters, which with great success attacked the IL-2 from the rear of an unprotected hemisphere, not fearing for their safety. In this regard, in some military units on the Il-2, engineering machine personnel independently installed a machine gun model behind the cockpit, with the aim of reducing the likelihood of enemy fighter attacks from behind the aircraft. But even this measure did not help to fix the current situation. Thus, in the active parts of the attack aircraft, an independent alteration of the IL-2 into a two-seat aircraft began. It consisted of the following: outside the armored hull in the fuselage behind the gas tank located behind the pilot, an air gunner’s cockpit was mounted, in which a single machine gun CAS of 7,62 mm caliber or twin machine guns DA (“D” -Degtyarev “A”) was mounted - aviation) caliber 7,62 mm. An air gunner sat on a transverse canvas tape behind the armored partition of the rear gas tank. This design made it possible without a special reduction in flight performance to protect the aircraft as much as possible from fighter attacks from the rear of the hemisphere. The only drawback of such an alteration of the aircraft was the complete insecurity of the air gunner, who was outside the armored corps and was not protected from fire from the ground and fighters.


      http://www.spacephys.ru/krylya-pobedy-samolet-il-2
      Those. were.

      But specifically here that picture - Photoshop screen from the "IL-2 Sturmovik".

    6. wlkw 18 May 2020 14: 40 New
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      Well, there were alterations, it is a fact
    7. Sky strike fighter 18 May 2020 14: 50 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Hmm ... and took as an example the converted single IL-2 with a pair of DA machine guns, similar to that installed on the TB-3. I wonder if these were really ...
      And so, the United States is trying to ban Huawei from entering the market of the same Canada, but actively promoting its products there. Sooner or later, if it is not possible to agree, then similar economic contradictions are decided by the war


      It would be necessary to take Seagull as an example.
      A-050 "The Seagull", developed by the Central Design Bureau named after Alekseeva, will be able to be based on water, banks with a large slope, and even at airfields. The device will be able to move both above water (in screen mode) and through air (in airplane mode), overcoming a distance of up to 4800 km and developing a speed of up to 480 km / h.

      The 54-ton Seagull will be able to take on board up to 100 passengers, or at least 9 tons of payload. At the same time, it is assumed that as a weapon a modern "hybrid" can get a supersonic Indian-Russian missile PJ-10 BrahMos ground-to-ground class. The latter is a version of the SS-N-26 Onyx and can hit surface or ground targets at a distance of up to 500 km, reaching speeds of Mach 2,8.

      https://topcor.ru/14691-rossijskij-naslednik-kaspijskogo-monstra-smozhet-nesti-novejshie-rakety.html
    8. 75 Sergey 18 May 2020 16: 52 New
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      They were remade themselves at field airfields.
      One such crashed in the year 41. near the village of Chausovo, in the Kaluga region.
      The villagers themselves erected a monument to the pilot and the gunner and look after him, in my opinion he is not even listed as a military burial anywhere, although F, I, O, they are known.
    9. Reserve buildbat 18 May 2020 16: 59 New
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      There were such. In general, there were many options for converting a single silt into a double. And, as far as I remember, the option in the photo was one of the officially approved.
    10. Klingon 18 May 2020 17: 14 New
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      it seems to me that they spied this machine gun pair near the shtatovskogo marine SBD-6 (7,62 browning) and on the Ilah stood UBT-12,7
  2. rocket757 18 May 2020 13: 06 New
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    You are dressed in your own way!
  3. sabakina 18 May 2020 13: 19 New
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    And in the photo exactly IL-2? As far as I know, in the single-seat version of the IL-2 there was no place for the shooter at all ....
    1. Piramidon 18 May 2020 15: 06 New
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      Quote: sabakina
      As far as I know, in the single-seat version of the IL-2 there was no place for the shooter at all ....

      It was not in the factory version. Modified aircraft in combat units
    2. 75 Sergey 18 May 2020 16: 55 New
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      At the airdromes they themselves altered from single, back in the 41st, though I don’t know how to solve the issue with the staffing ..
      1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 17: 08 New
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        Quote: 75Sergey
        At the airdromes they themselves altered from single, back in the 41st, though I don’t know how to solve the issue with the staffing ..

        Often, technicians flew as gunners.
  4. iouris 18 May 2020 13: 20 New
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    UAC must force to pay for the use of the Soviet brand. But the Stolichnaya and Moskovskaya brands did not defend the Hague court (where is the country heading for?).
    1. sabakina 18 May 2020 13: 31 New
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      Where where? To moonshine!
    2. PalBor 18 May 2020 14: 16 New
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      Like this? Recently, the Supreme Court of the Netherlands ruled that these brands belong to Russia in the person of Soyuzplodimport. request
      AND! Clarified. So far, only in Benelux. But the battle continues!
  5. prior 18 May 2020 13: 24 New
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    Chinese respect.
    Great advertisement for Soviet weapons!
    1. 16329 19 May 2020 13: 16 New
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      For the Chinese, Soviet pilots and their equipment are symbols of resilience and heroism, but our compatriots are constantly trying to please Westerners and are very offended and complain that the latter do not like them.
  6. Doccor18 18 May 2020 13: 27 New
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    During the war, 356 assault regiments of all readiness lines were formed. Of the more than 36 thousand attack aircraft built (and this is now a world record), 23600 vehicles were lost. Attack aircraft often returned, having 500 holes in the hull, sat down "on the belly", decommissioned due to the impossibility of recovery.
    But ... flew to the airfield. The legendary plane. The Chinese know what they use in handouts.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 18 May 2020 18: 21 New
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      Of the more than 36 thousand built attack aircraft ....... well, wax 42 thousand, taking into account the IL-10 attack aircraft, which was not a very deep modernization of the IL-2
  7. cniza 18 May 2020 13: 31 New
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    It was produced during the years of World War II - from 1941 to 1945. During this time, almost 36 thousand IL-2 attack aircraft were built by factories.


    You read, look at the numbers, the mind cannot understand how it was possible, but you did ...
    1. Mitroha 18 May 2020 16: 05 New
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      It is really hard to fit in the head. 25 (!!!!) IL-2 attack aircraft per day !!!
      But this is only one of the models in service. What Soviet people did in the rear, during the Second World War - a labor feat comparable to that of the Red Army on the fronts
  8. Altona 18 May 2020 13: 35 New
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    A good allusion was obtained on the poster. For some reason, the wars of the past are taken as the standard of uncompromising cutting, the Second World War most often. And Huawei, well done, is so zealous in the technological struggle that he has forced such a giant as Samsung to almost completely give up the production of displays and monitors in China. Why choose IL-2? Because one of the most massive aircraft of the Second World War, a subtle hint at the massiveness of smartphones. Why attack aircraft? Because he fought on the front line, under heavy enemy fire, also a hint at the battle with iPhones Apple and Samsung.
  9. Free wind 18 May 2020 13: 39 New
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    An interesting picture, namely a picture, not a photograph. Well, it seems that the pilot has never had such a drop-shaped lantern. The shooter never had such a place. It seems like there is information that sometimes they themselves tried to make a place for the shooter, but something I do not believe in that. no photos. Apart from the shovel handle, there was no more. Any boss, any special officer, will blow his head for damage to property, well, wow cut a hole with a diameter of almost a meter. Actually, I’m not a connoisseur of weapons, but we didn’t seem to have such a look. Maybe Browning is paired. Damage, well, with such damage to the wings, it happened and reached out to its IL-2. But with such damage to the hull, the attack aircraft cannot fly. Control cables pass there, when they break, the aircraft is not controlled. Well, the shooter feels extremely ill with such hits in normal airplanes, rather than drawn ones .. Yes, some big shooter is drawn. Flight altitude, such as 2 kilometers, as many clouds below float. In the normal state, they rarely flew at such an altitude. Yes, tell me what kind of thing is sticking out of the right wing. I didn’t see something like that. Well, well, well, drawing and drawing. Not at all real.
    1. Piramidon 18 May 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      It seems like there is information that sometimes they themselves tried to make a place for the shooter, but something I do not believe in that. no photos.

      There is a difference between categorical “no” and doubtful “not seen”

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        In the top photo, factory tests of the double layout. Tests immediately showed that the alignment was severely violated, the aircraft is dangerous to fly. The problem was solved by changing the sweep of the wing. And now tell me, who will take a chance. In front-line conditions, to cut a hole in the fuselage, next to the most complicated unit of its connection with the armored hull? When every plane counts. Cutting down the elements of the supporting structure., And there are a lot of these frames. In flight, you can lose the tail, weakening the structure. They had to carry the radio there. When designing, the connection was reinforced immediately by a powerful turret. And on the poster it’s interesting, to see the propeller with a variable thrust vector, it’s not at all aligned with the plane.
        1. Piramidon 18 May 2020 20: 17 New
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          And on the poster it’s interesting, to see the propeller with a variable thrust vector, it’s not at all aligned with the plane.

          A poster is a separate song. He has a very distant relation to a real airplane, being a screenshot from a computer game and the artist’s imagination
        2. Piramidon 20 May 2020 14: 08 New
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          And now tell me, who will take a chance. In front-line conditions, to cut a hole in the fuselage, next to the most complicated unit of its connection with the armored hull? When every plane counts. Cutting down the elements of the supporting structure., And there are a lot of these frames. In flight, you can lose the tail, weakening the structure.

          Can you imagine it so that an illiterate carpenter came and stupidly cut a hole through an ax? Yes, probably there were in the parts of the PARM, DARM, engineers and technicians who could calculate and embed the hatch between the frames and strengthen its edges with a border.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974 18 May 2020 19: 17 New
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      . But with such damage to the hull, the attack aircraft cannot fly. ..... even as it can, often gunners were drenched from UBS through their corps of messers and fv, and there were norms. Litvinov in his memoir "I was an air gunner" indicates such a case. received the GSSR for this,
    3. 75 Sergey 19 May 2020 00: 04 New
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      They did it near Mozhaisk.
      One such was shot down from the anti-aircraft gun by the Germans in the 41st near Chausov, in the Kaluga region, there is a grave of a pilot and an arrow.
  10. Ded_Mazay 18 May 2020 13: 43 New
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    Resourceful guys. Also with humor ...
  11. parusnik 18 May 2020 14: 27 New
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    Hmm .. a thin hint of fat circumstances smile
  12. AllBiBek 18 May 2020 15: 00 New
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    The quintessence of the Chinese approach; they did it without asking, it turned out to be leaky and incomprehensible as working, they worked on the knee in real conditions, and - it still flies and shoots.

    If they put the idea into series, then KV-1 will continue, which Göpner’s group kept for two days near Raseiniai.
  13. stomatologist 18 May 2020 15: 12 New
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    The main thing is that not with Nazi Messers and Amer bombers .. China respects and remembers the times of Stalin! soldier
  14. bars1 18 May 2020 16: 42 New
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    Is the daughter of the head of Huawei so still under arrest from the Americans?
  15. Ryaruav 18 May 2020 18: 13 New
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    Yes, and the chips are American, this is not good
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 18: 46 New
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    On the poster, if I’m not mistaken, the single Il-2? But .... it's nice that in the Middle Kingdom they are equal to the genius of the Great S.V. Ilyushin.
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    Mwg 18 May 2020 19: 11 New
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    How interesting everything is arranged: the Chinese know the history of the USSR so well that they build their advertising products on its examples that are understandable to the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom. And we have the history of the Second World War poured mud and sundry. And nobody punishes anyone for this. It's a shame for the state.
    And commentators enthusiastically discuss "there were such planes or were not." It’s ridiculous. And sad friends.
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      How interesting everything is arranged: the Chinese know the history of the USSR so well that they build their advertising products on its examples that are understandable to the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom. And we have the history of the Second World War poured mud and sundry. And nobody punishes anyone for this. It's a shame for the state.
      And commentators enthusiastically discuss "there were such planes or were not." It’s ridiculous. And sad friends.

      No, no! The Chinese use the IL-2 brand, not particularly bothering with reliability. But the commentators became concerned about the reliability and each expressed his opinion. I am personally impressed (pah, what I wrote! It’s just nice) that there are different people at VO who can even ask for clarifications from those who are more in the “topic”. Of course there are ... some "individuals", but they are still a minority. And no one pours the history of the Second World War with mud! My opinion!
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        It, of course, is so. But here we are arguing about one or another element of the plane, but we are few. And the Chinese are aware of the IL-2 MASSOVO and therefore it is used as a brand in the milliard, for a minute, camp. Those. there, at the state level, examples of OUR war are used to build THEIR society. And for some reason, suddenly, a lot of people appeared massively disregarding our past and they were given huge opportunities: the media, the print media, the cinema, and education !!! Think about it. Who supports them and, most importantly, for what purpose?
  18. Zakonnik 19 May 2020 05: 58 New
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    Bliiiin, this is a screenshot from the first IL-2!
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      Yes, but not from the "first".
  19. Nitarius 19 May 2020 06: 17 New
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    Well done Chinese))) they can find a comparison)))
  20. Alexey Les 19 May 2020 17: 25 New
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    No need to guess where this "snapshot" is from. Game: "IL-2. Attack aircraft. Forgotten battles." A screenshot was taken by me about 15 years ago and published with other screenshots on one of the forums of fans of virtual flight simulators. These are episodes of one of the online battles where I managed to achieve incredible success on this Ile. I decided to brag to my comrades ... And someone had to let this screenshot into the public ((
    (https://www.facebook.com/alexey.les.3/posts/3172849342788870
    https://www.facebook.com/alexey.les.3/posts/2521991901207954
    https://www.facebook.com/alexey.les.3/posts/3806560556084409
  21. Alexey Les 19 May 2020 17: 42 New
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    Judging by the fact that the poster authors didn’t bother with searching for genuine photographs and didn’t draw the plane they needed for the “client” themselves, they just stupidly picked up the first plane that came up that fit the idea they had ordered — damaged in battle, but stubbornly flying, not American (with Americans “client in the counter”), not British (the British are the same as the Americans, but worse because the colonialists), not Japanese (the Japanese for the “client” are hellish devils), not German (the Germans last seriously fought in World War II and were on the side of "hellish devils"). And they, the authors, were absolutely on the drum - there is a Russian plane or a Martian one, they respect Stalin there or Mao, was it a production model or an experienced one, was it taken from the game or from reality ... Absolutely it was a damn to them ... They made an order, the "customer" is satisfied - goodbye. Why are you all so excited ?! I’m perplexing to you as the author of this miserable screenshot .... Some articles, reviews, discussions ... Right, friends, it’s not worth it ... By the way, I took 18 “frags” in that “fight”. There was a cruel slash ... Here's a “photo” from a different angle, I found in my bins. Even the inscription did, so proud of himself ... Meticulous can compare the picture of damage)))
  22. lvov_aleksey 19 May 2020 21: 28 New
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    if they remember the story in China, they still have to live and live !!!