The network is discussing the poster of the Chinese Huawei, comparing itself with the Soviet IL-2

The poster of the Chinese digital giant Huawei, which decided to visualize under what blows it has to carry out its activities today, is being discussed on the network. The poster shows the Soviet combat aircraft Il-2.

The peculiarity of this photo is that the attack aircraft literally riddled with ammunition of the enemy, but, despite this, he continues his flight.

The Chinese company added its inscription on this poster:

Without scars there will be no rough skin and strong muscles. Heroes always went through difficulties.

Thus, Huawei is hinting at US sanctions pressure, under which the company has been lately. The United States is doing everything to eliminate its Chinese competitor in the global digital technology market. And this is done in the format of unfair competition, when they try to connect the so-called economic and administrative resource to the matter.

The other day it became known that the United States is trying to interfere with the supply of chips for Huawei. Beijing replied that if Washington goes to such artificial restrictions, then China will be forced to act symmetrically. American, Apple, Qualcomm and Cisco may be subject to restrictions.

Returning to the comparison with the aircraft, which the Chinese manufacturers of high-tech devices depicted on their poster. IL-2 was created in OKB-240 under the leadership of Sergei Ilyushin. It is the most massive aircraft not only among attack aircraft, but also in stories combat aviation generally. It was produced during the years of World War II - from 1941 to 1945. During this time, almost 36 thousand IL-2 attack aircraft were built by factories.

Considering the fact that Hitler troops and their allies tried to shoot down the Soviet IL-2 during the Second World War, the image of the damaged attack aircraft used by the Chinese company eloquently indicates how exactly American sanctions are considered in modern China.

Comments on the network:

Huawei has made good public relations in the international market.

But China is openly telling the United States how it perceives them today.

Comments

[svp67]

Hmm ... and took as an example the converted single IL-2 with a pair of DA machine guns, similar to that installed on the TB-3. I wonder if these were really ...
And so, the United States is trying to ban Huawei from entering the market of the same Canada, but actively promoting its products there. Sooner or later, if it is not possible to agree, then similar economic contradictions are decided by the war

[Thrall]

At the same time, in the homeland of Ilov:

From the Instagram of the mayor of Novosibirsk

[Shkworen]

Was the MiG-3 a biplane? :)
Maybe this is AN-2? :)

[smart ass]

The mayor of Novosibirsk is excusable

[Peter is not the first]

I don’t know what kind of picture they give out as the publication of the mayor of Novosibirsk, but here’s what he has on this topic on his Instagram account:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_7dte8JfpV/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[gurzuf]

Yes! It’s sad. It is sad that there is such a thing.

[Bashkirkhan]

The picture shows a sample of 1941-42, i.e. "hunchback", the place of the shooter is rather a rework in the field at the airport, but not as a factory product. It consisted in the following: outside the armored hull in the fuselage behind the gas tank located behind the pilot, the air gunner's cabin was mounted, in which one Sh KAS machine gun of 7,62 mm caliber was installed on a semi-turret installation or a twin installation of YES machine guns of 7,62 mm caliber. The air gunner sat on a transverse tarpaulin tape behind the armored bulkhead of the rear gas tank. This design made it possible to maximally protect the aircraft from attacks from fighters from the rear of the hemisphere without much reduction in flight performance. The only drawback of such a modification of the aircraft was the complete vulnerability of the air gunner, who was outside the armored hull and was not protected from ground fire and fighters.

[Bashkirkhan]

But this photo is not from the game.

[BISMARCK94]

unique aircraft survivability ships envy

[Bashkirkhan]

Musa Gaisinovich Gareev, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, in his book "Attack Aircraft Go to Target" told about this aircraft, how tenacious and reliable it was. During the Great Patriotic War, Gareev fought in the assault aviation in the skies of Stalingrad, on the Mius Front, in the Crimea and Ukraine, in Belarus and the Baltic States, ending his combat path in Germany. The book can be downloaded. Here is an excerpt "A little more, just a little! And suddenly I hear Sasha's excited voice:
 Comrade Commander, two fighters are approaching. Do you understand me? Two "thin" fit!
 I see, Sasha, I see. Hold on, buddy!
I reach the last meters, turn off the camera and, maneuvering, I go to the front line. Late! Kiryanov reports:
 Turn around, go tail
The shooter's voice is calm and firm: now he finally enters the fray. And in battle, Sasha Kiryanov is always like that.
I hear the rumble of a machine gun Kiryanov. Will drive away or not drive away? And the airfield is still far away!
Bullets hit the right wing. Koshu's eyes to the right the plane is broken. I throw the plane from side to side, I am leaving from aimed fire.
 They come on the left, come on the left! reports Kiryanov. I start to maneuver, but the line from the Messerschmitt still gets me. Now the hole is also in the left plane. The plane is getting heavier, but it is still going well. If only to pull over the front line! I throw the plane down: I need to cover my stomach. If the Messerschmitts get close to the plane from below, we'll have a hard time. Kiryanov below will not reach them, and they will knock us down in no time. Better to attack from above.
Kiryanov's machine gun rattles at the limit. “Well done, Sasha, I think. Will beat back. Now it is most convenient for him to do it ”.
And suddenly the machine-gun shot breaks.
I scream
 Sasha, Sasha! You are alive?
Kiryanov is silent.
"Really killed?" a thought flickers, and at the same second the dashboard on my plane shatters. I feel that a little hurt me too. But it’s nothing. After all, we still reached the front edge. Now the task is to fly it. But how to do that?
The motor gives outages. Here he is completely silent. And immediately there comes an unusual silence after the noise of motors.
There are no fascist fighters. Why did they retreat, why didn’t they finish? ..
Later it turned out that we were saved by a thick smoke trail that stretched after my crashed plane. It turns out that a fragment of an enemy shell pierced the oil cooler, and the oil began to fly out, forming a long smoke band in the air. The Nazis decided that we were on fire and turned to our airfield. Usually they always finished off doomed planes, shot the pilots who had thrown out with parachutes, but now for some reason they changed their bestial rules.
Now you could think about landing.
The speed dropped every second. The machine almost did not obey, and I squeezed out everything I could from it.
The front line of our troops is left behind. The earth is getting closer and closer. Around the funnel, trenches, pits. Then you turn your neck on foot, not like on a plane! And suddenly a blow, a crack, a rattle. A plane is enveloping a cloud of dust
Having regained consciousness, I hail my arrow. A weak moan comes from Kiryanov’s cabin: alive! Need to help. I strain my strength, I hurry to the Kiryanov’s cabin.
Fortunately, the wound was not serious. I helped my friend out of the cockpit and rushed to the camera. It must be removed without fail, because there is a film, the regiment commander is waiting for pictures. "

[Snail N9]

During the Battle of Kursk, four German fighters, one of which was controlled by an inspector who arrived at the front and checked the condition of the Luftwaffe, met with a lone attack aircraft. The Germans immediately fell into his tail, as the plane was seen as easy prey.

First, the first fighter entered the tail and fired its ammunition into the attack aircraft. IL-2 continued to fly. Then came the second, third, fourth. The inspector, who did not believe his own eyes, contacted by radio with the pilots who took off and asked what was actually happening and why this Russian stuffed with their shells was still not falling. They immediately answered him on the radio:

“Herr Colonel. You won’t bite your butt in the ass, but it’s better not to mess with him from the muzzle. ”

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/valerongrach/pochemu-etot-russkii-ne-padaet-gerr-polkovnik--eja-v-zadnicu-ne-ukusish-5a9c05a6168a91949e553b52

[75 Sergey]

Eh, they should have gone with cover, but they sent one as a scout.
it is a pity that there was no closer interaction between the military branches.

[Albert1988]

Quote: 75Sergey

Eh, they should have gone with cover, but they sent one as a scout.
it is a pity that there was no closer interaction between the military branches.

Sometimes cars for cover were simply not enough ...

[Snail N9]

Actually, in my opinion from Zemfirov, I read a more detailed description of this battle of a lone attack aircraft with four German fighters. He was brought in his recollections by one of the German aces. According to his story, the four German fighters, consisting of experienced leaders and young wingmen, flew out to "free hunt" to train young people. On the way back they noticed a lone IL-2 which was already damaged by anti-aircraft fire (it had a large hole to the wing). Considering it a convenient target for developing the skills of not experienced followers, the facilitators allowed them to carry out single attacks, and they themselves began to observe the battle. The attack aircraft noticed the danger and pressed close to the ground. German young pilots were afraid to dive low to the ground and left the attack earlier than needed by firing from afar which did no harm to the attack aircraft. In addition, they were prevented by the spotty camouflage color of the IL-2 and the attack aircraft gunner, who fired quite accurately, not allowing them to precisely aim. In the end, the experienced pilots who were tired of this disaster, recalled the followers and began to shoot the attack aircraft together. The attack aircraft did not fly straight, but maneuvered at low altitude, trying to fly a snake. In the end, he got a lot of hits, the shooter was either killed or seriously injured - everyone saw the bulged barrel of a machine gun and its figure hanging on its belts. The Germans became bolder and began to attack more aggressively. However, the pilot of the attack aircraft fought competently, during one of the German attacks, he turned his plane around, made a slide and with the fire of VY cannons knocked out one lead. He went to his airfield, along with his wingman, leaving two of his colleagues who continued to attack the impudent Russian. And so, when the Germans launched another attack, the Russian pilot deployed the plane and went to the frontal, firing from nasal firing points. The Germans shied away in different directions, while the driven German ace had a motor breakdown or he got hit and had to turn around and go to his airfield. The remaining German pilot ace launched several more attacks, in which the Russian began to constantly try to turn to the frontal. In the end, the Germans ran out of shells and he had to leave, as he put it, “crazy Russian” and return to his airfield after uttering a later famous phrase to the inspector’s question why 4 German planes couldn’t shoot down one “Russian”: “Herr Colonel. You won’t bite your butt in the ass, but from the side of the muzzle, as you yourself saw, it’s better not to mess with him ”...

[sabakina]

Bashkirkhan, well, where do you think the shooter sits?

[Bashkirkhan]

Sits on a transverse canvas tape behind the rear gas tank’s armored partition

[sabakina]

Bashkirkhan, by God, does not want to insert a picture of Faina Ranevskaya with her winged phrase.

[reservist]

one more picture ...
the pilot reached the airfield, but had to land "on the belly" ...

[BISMARCK94]

This is a screenshot from the game Il-2 under filters and improvements

[beeper]

As a child, I often went to my mother’s work related to aviation, and everyone, in their own way, tried to take me, a small live-bearer, to drag me, who taught me how to draw airplanes and who explained the basics of aerodynamics, who showed training for example, air guns and air bombs or airplanes and helicopters — for some reason I liked the navigational place in the cabin’s nose most of all, from the lantern of which I could see in all directions, like on the balcony, looking into the large flat glass in front below, I imagined I was flying high above the ground ...
But most of all he loved to listen to the stories of pilots and aircraft technicians about the war, with expressive, bewitching, hand gestures - "airplanes" ...

Reading the Article and the Comments, I remembered the story of the urgent alteration of our legendary attack aircraft, right at the front-line airfield, the "humpback" single IL-2 into double, with an air gunner ...
They took a metal barrel out of gasoline, cut a round hole in the fuselage behind the cockpit and fastened (riveted?) The barrel, a machine gun turret to it, .... and the place of the air gunner is ready. That surprised me very much (the shooter in a barrel and the alteration of a combat aircraft right at the field airfield, and not at the aircraft factory ...), which is why I remembered it.
And already in the factory two-seater Il-2, which were in front of the air gunner, closed "on the latch" and wide open (for access to the shturtros in the tail section of the fuselage glued from wood veneer) thin (from memory, only 6 mm thick?) flat armored doors, which only "protected" it from enemy shells and bullets, received a front-line nickname-"gates of heaven"...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: pishchak

As a child, I often

Greetings, comrade! There is a wonderful book about attack pilots "IN THE MILITARY AIR SEVERE"
Author: Vasily Emelianenko. You can tell a documentary and now rereading it and superimposing on childhood memories of the stories of the cousin of the pilot’s cousin and the leader of our aircraft modeling club, also an attack pilot, I recreate their military heroic everyday life.

[Doctor]

There is a wonderful book about attack pilots "IN THE MILITARY AIR SEVERE"

There is abruptly, in my opinion.
Timofey Lyadsky. "Notes from the flight pad".

These are not memories, but diaries that he kept, despite the prohibition.
That is, everything is there, as he thought and acted then.
He survived, GSS, flew with Beregovym.

[sedoj]

I recalled from the classics:

[Sling cutter]

Quote: sedoj

I recalled from the classics:

"Hm ..." the pilot was surprised, looking into the dugout, "and here I found a button accordion ...
In the dugout, behind the door, curtained by a raincoat, a reclining politician was located. With his head bandaged over his shoulder, he wrote something quickly. Rogachev, raising his eyes to the ceiling, looked at one point, and soft, intimate sounds of variations on Russian themes flowed from under his fingers. Several sailors in unbuttoned jackets sat and listened thoughtfully.
Rogachev suddenly broke the melody and, accompanying himself, sang a song of air shooters:

Spins, turns "silt" over the mountain,
Spinning, spinning hero pilot
A guy is sitting in the back cabin.
The guy’s position is an air gunner.

The last words of the song were drowned in the roar of explosions. Between the logs of the ceiling, earth fell.
- Look, you bastard, how crazy! Someone maliciously gritted his teeth.
“The amateur activity is being curtailed for a while,” Rogachev announced, passing the button accordion to the sailor, and stood up.
The dugout shook from the explosions. "
Ivan Arsentiev. Book: Harsh Air.

[C0BA]

This is a picture from a computer toy. And this photo was discussed "in the open," about five years ago.

[Uncle lee]

Huawei, comparing itself with the Soviet IL-2

Well, straight "Our response to Curzon", in the Chinese interpretation!
And the T-34 tank for "durability" of which company will they take?

[Nasrat]

Il from the poster huavei - the screen of the game "IL-2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Stalingrad" ......

[edmed]

Quote: Nasr

NasRat (Evlampy Spiridonovich)

The company did not answer. Probably they are deciding what to do with the "girl-designer".

[PalBor]

Or they think that for every strange person whom you don’t feed with bread, give to get to the bottom of every pillar, you won’t get any bytes to answer.

[KERMET]

IL-2 BZS is a slightly different game, and there is nothing criminal in using a screenshot of the game

[unaha]

In terms of sanctions for Huawei, everything is just beginning (if not agreed). And she will have a lot of problems. And on 5G, and on chips and on iron. Is that the capacity of the Chinese wound will help to stay.

[AllBiBek]

There is an Indian nearby, and there will be a real fight for him. What it is now is warming up.
Indians, of course, have their own manufacturers, but they are far from China.

[boss]

Rather, the capacity of the entire global market, the huave in many countries have ALREADY mounted 5G networks, not counting the contracts concluded and in the process.
the Americans reacted late and are trying to catch up with the departed engine.
But if teahouses stop producing "American apples", it will be interesting to leave the United States without phones)

[unaha]

China certainly has measures to influence the situation, both a stub and a Boeing. But so far they have not been implemented, and TSMC has already been persuaded to build a new production in the USA and to abandon the production of processors for Huawei.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: svp67

I wonder if these were really ...

The lack of an air gunner greatly damaged the IL-2. On the battlefield, the aircraft suffered huge losses from enemy fighters, which with great success attacked the IL-2 from the rear of an unprotected hemisphere, not fearing for their safety. In this regard, in some military units on the Il-2, engineering machine personnel independently installed a machine gun model behind the cockpit, with the aim of reducing the likelihood of enemy fighter attacks from behind the aircraft. But even this measure did not help to fix the current situation. Thus, in the active units of the assault aviation, an independent conversion of the IL-2 into a two-seater aircraft began. It consisted in the following: outside the armored hull in the fuselage behind the gas tank located behind the pilot, an air gunner's cabin was mounted, in which one Sh KAS machine gun of 7,62 mm caliber was installed on a semi-turret installation or a twin installation of DA machine guns ("D" -Degtyarev "A" - aviation) caliber 7,62 mm. The air gunner sat on a transverse tarpaulin tape behind the armored bulkhead of the rear gas tank. This design made it possible to maximally protect the aircraft from attacks from fighters from the rear of the hemisphere without much reduction in flight performance. The only drawback of such a modification of the aircraft was the complete vulnerability of the air gunner, who was outside the armored hull and was not protected from ground fire and fighters.

http://www.spacephys.ru/krylya-pobedy-samolet-il-2
Those. were.

But specifically here that picture - photoshop of a screen from "IL-2 Sturmovik".

[wlkw]

Well, there were alterations, it is a fact

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: svp67

Hmm ... and took as an example the converted single IL-2 with a pair of DA machine guns, similar to that installed on the TB-3. I wonder if these were really ...
And so, the United States is trying to ban Huawei from entering the market of the same Canada, but actively promoting its products there. Sooner or later, if it is not possible to agree, then similar economic contradictions are decided by the war

It would be necessary to take Seagull as an example.

A-050 "The Seagull", developed by the Central Design Bureau named after Alekseeva, will be able to be based on water, banks with a large slope, and even at airfields. The device will be able to move both above water (in screen mode) and through air (in airplane mode), overcoming a distance of up to 4800 km and developing a speed of up to 480 km / h.

The 54-ton Seagull will be able to take on board up to 100 passengers, or at least 9 tons of payload. At the same time, it is assumed that as a weapon a modern "hybrid" can get a supersonic Indian-Russian missile PJ-10 BrahMos ground-to-ground class. The latter is a version of the SS-N-26 Onyx and can hit surface or ground targets at a distance of up to 500 km, reaching speeds of Mach 2,8.

https://topcor.ru/14691-rossijskij-naslednik-kaspijskogo-monstra-smozhet-nesti-novejshie-rakety.html

[75 Sergey]

They were remade themselves at field airfields.
One such crashed in the year 41. near the village of Chausovo, in the Kaluga region.
The villagers themselves erected a monument to the pilot and the gunner and look after him, in my opinion he is not even listed as a military burial anywhere, although F, I, O, they are known.

[Reserve buildbat]

There were such. In general, there were many options for converting a single silt into a double. And, as far as I remember, the option in the photo was one of the officially approved.

[Klingon]

it seems to me that they spied this machine gun pair near the shtatovskogo marine SBD-6 (7,62 browning) and on the Ilah stood UBT-12,7

[rocket757]

You are dressed in your own way!

[sabakina]

And in the photo exactly IL-2? As far as I know, in the single-seat version of the IL-2 there was no place for the shooter at all ....

[Piramidon]

Quote: sabakina

As far as I know, in the single-seat version of the IL-2 there was no place for the shooter at all ....

It was not in the factory version. Modified aircraft in combat units

[75 Sergey]

At the airdromes they themselves altered from single, back in the 41st, though I don’t know how to solve the issue with the staffing ..

[Sling cutter]

Quote: 75Sergey

At the airdromes they themselves altered from single, back in the 41st, though I don’t know how to solve the issue with the staffing ..

Often, technicians flew as gunners.

[iouris]

The KLA must make people pay for the use of the Soviet brand. But the brands "Stolichnaya" and "Moskovskaya" did not defend before the Hague court (where is the country heading?).

[sabakina]

Where where? To moonshine!

[PalBor]

Like this? Recently, the Supreme Court of the Netherlands ruled that these brands belong to Russia represented by Soyuzplodimport.
AND! Clarified. So far, only in Benelux. But the battle continues!

[prior]

Chinese respect.
Great advertisement for Soviet weapons!

[16329]

For the Chinese, Soviet pilots and their equipment are symbols of resilience and heroism, but our compatriots are constantly trying to please Westerners and are very offended and complain that the latter do not like them.

[Doccor18]

During the war, 356 assault regiments of all readiness lines were formed. Of the more than 36 thousand attack aircraft built (and this is now a world record), 23600 vehicles were lost. Attack aircraft often returned, having 500 holes in the hull, sat down "on the belly", decommissioned due to the impossibility of recovery.
But ... flew to the airfield. The legendary plane. The Chinese know what they use in handouts.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Of the more than 36 thousand built attack aircraft ....... well, wax 42 thousand, taking into account the IL-10 attack aircraft, which was not a very deep modernization of the IL-2

[cniza]

It was produced during the years of World War II - from 1941 to 1945. During this time, almost 36 thousand IL-2 attack aircraft were built by factories.

You read, look at the numbers, the mind cannot understand how it was possible, but you did ...

[mitroha]

It is really hard to fit in the head. 25 (!!!!) IL-2 attack aircraft per day !!!
But this is only one of the models in service. What Soviet people did in the rear, during the Second World War - a labor feat comparable to that of the Red Army on the fronts

[Altona]

A good allusion was obtained on the poster. For some reason, the wars of the past are taken as the standard of uncompromising cutting, the Second World War most often. And Huawei, well done, is so zealous in the technological struggle that he has forced such a giant as Samsung to almost completely give up the production of displays and monitors in China. Why choose IL-2? Because one of the most massive aircraft of the Second World War, a subtle hint at the massiveness of smartphones. Why attack aircraft? Because he fought on the front line, under heavy enemy fire, also a hint at the battle with iPhones Apple and Samsung.

[Free wind]

An interesting picture, namely a picture, not a photograph. Well, it seems that the pilot has never had such a drop-shaped lantern. The shooter never had such a place. It seems like there is information that sometimes they themselves tried to make a place for the shooter, but something I do not believe in that. no photos. Apart from the shovel handle, there was no more. Any boss, any special officer, will blow his head for damage to property, well, wow cut a hole with a diameter of almost a meter. Actually, I’m not a connoisseur of weapons, but we didn’t seem to have such a look. Maybe Browning is paired. Damage, well, with such damage to the wings, it happened and reached out to its IL-2. But with such damage to the hull, the attack aircraft cannot fly. Control cables pass there, when they break, the aircraft is not controlled. Well, the shooter feels extremely ill with such hits in normal airplanes, rather than drawn ones .. Yes, some big shooter is drawn. Flight altitude, such as 2 kilometers, as many clouds below float. In the normal state, they rarely flew at such an altitude. Yes, tell me what kind of thing is sticking out of the right wing. I didn’t see something like that. Well, well, well, drawing and drawing. Not at all real.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Free Wind

It seems like there is information that sometimes they themselves tried to make a place for the shooter, but something I do not believe in that. no photos.

There is a difference between categorical - "no" and doubtful - "did not see"

[Free wind]

In the top photo, factory tests of the double layout. Tests immediately showed that the alignment was severely violated, the aircraft is dangerous to fly. The problem was solved by changing the sweep of the wing. And now tell me, who will take a chance. In front-line conditions, to cut a hole in the fuselage, next to the most complicated unit of its connection with the armored hull? When every plane counts. Cutting down the elements of the supporting structure., And there are a lot of these frames. In flight, you can lose the tail, weakening the structure. They had to carry the radio there. When designing, the connection was reinforced immediately by a powerful turret. And on the poster it’s interesting, to see the propeller with a variable thrust vector, it’s not at all aligned with the plane.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Free Wind

And on the poster it’s interesting, to see the propeller with a variable thrust vector, it’s not at all aligned with the plane.

A poster is a separate song. He has a very distant relation to a real airplane, being a screenshot from a computer game and the artist’s imagination

[Piramidon]

Quote: Free Wind

And now tell me, who will take a chance. In front-line conditions, to cut a hole in the fuselage, next to the most complicated unit of its connection with the armored hull? When every plane counts. Cutting down the elements of the supporting structure., And there are a lot of these frames. In flight, you can lose the tail, weakening the structure.

Can you imagine that an illiterate carpenter came and stupidly cut a "hole" with an ax? Yes, there were probably in the PARM units, DARM units, engineers and technicians who could calculate and cut the hatch between the frames and reinforce its edges with edging.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

... But with such damage to the hull, the attack aircraft cannot fly. ..... as well as can, often the gunners drenched from the UBS through their corps of messengers and fv, and there were norms. Litvinov in his memoir "I was an air gunner" points out such a case. for this he received the GSSR,

[75 Sergey]

They did it near Mozhaisk.
One such was shot down from the anti-aircraft gun by the Germans in the 41st near Chausov, in the Kaluga region, there is a grave of a pilot and an arrow.

[Ded_Mazay]

Resourceful guys. Also with humor ...

[parusnik]

Hmm .. a thin hint of fat circumstances

[AllBiBek]

The quintessence of the Chinese approach; they did it without asking, it turned out to be leaky and incomprehensible as working, they worked on the knee in real conditions, and - it still flies and shoots.

If they put the idea into series, then KV-1 will continue, which Göpner’s group kept for two days near Raseiniai.

[stomatologist]

The main thing is that not with Nazi Messers and Amer bombers .. China respects and remembers the times of Stalin!

[bars1]

Is the daughter of the head of Huawei so still under arrest from the Americans?

[Ryaruav]

Yes, and the chips are American, this is not good

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

On the poster, if I'm not mistaken, a single IL-2? But ... it's nice that in the Celestial Empire they are equal to the genius of the Great S.V. Ilyushin.

[Mwg]

How interesting everything is arranged: the Chinese know the history of the USSR so well that they build their advertising products on its examples that are understandable to the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom. And we have the history of the Second World War poured mud and sundry. And nobody punishes anyone for this. It's a shame for the state.
And commentators enthusiastically discuss "were there such planes or not." It's funny. And it's sad, friends.

[not main]

Quote: MVG

How interesting everything is arranged: the Chinese know the history of the USSR so well that they build their advertising products on its examples that are understandable to the inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom. And we have the history of the Second World War poured mud and sundry. And nobody punishes anyone for this. It's a shame for the state.
And commentators enthusiastically discuss "were there such planes or not." It's funny. And it's sad, friends.

No! The Chinese use the IL-2 brand, not particularly bothering with reliability. But the commentators were concerned about the reliability and each expressed his own opinion. I am personally impressed (ugh, what I wrote! It's just nice) that there are different people on VO who may even ask for clarifications from those who are more in the "topic". Of course there are ... some "individuals", but they are still a minority. And nobody is pouring dirt on the history of the Second World War! My opinion!

[Mwg]

It, of course, is so. But here we are arguing about one or another element of the plane, but we are few. And the Chinese are aware of the IL-2 MASSOVO and therefore it is used as a brand in the milliard, for a minute, camp. Those. there, at the state level, examples of OUR war are used to build THEIR society. And for some reason, suddenly, a lot of people appeared massively disregarding our past and they were given huge opportunities: the media, the print media, the cinema, and education !!! Think about it. Who supports them and, most importantly, for what purpose?

[Zakonnik]

Bliiiin, this is a screenshot from the first IL-2!

[Alexey Les]

Yes, just not from the "first".

[Nitarius]

Well done Chinese))) they can find a comparison)))

[Alexey Les]

No need to guess where this "snapshot" came from. Game: "IL-2 Sturmovik. Forgotten battles". The screenshot was taken by me about 15 years ago and published with other screenshots on one of the forums for fans of virtual flight simulators. These are episodes of one of the online battles, where I managed to achieve, as it seemed to me, incredible success on this Ila. I decided to boast to my comrades ... And someone should have let this screenshot public ((
(https://www.facebook.com/alexey.les.3/posts/3172849342788870
https://www.facebook.com/alexey.les.3/posts/2521991901207954
https://www.facebook.com/alexey.les.3/posts/3806560556084409

[Alexey Les]

Judging by the fact that the authors of the poster did not bother with the search for genuine photographs and did not draw the plane needed by the "client" themselves, but simply stupidly took the first plane that came across the network that matched the ordered idea - damaged in battle, but stubbornly flying, not American (with Americans "client in contradiction"), not British (the British are the same as the Americans, but worse, because the colonialists), not Japanese (the Japanese are hellish fiends for the "client"), not German (the Germans fought the last time seriously in World War II and were on the side of "hellish fiends"). And they, the authors, were absolutely on the drum - there was a Russian plane or a Martian one, they respected Stalin there or Mao, it was a serial model or an experimental one, it was taken from the game or from reality ... Absolutely they didn't care ... They made the order, the "client" is satisfied - goodbye. Why are you all so horny ?! As the author of this unfortunate screenshot, I am perplexed to you .... Some articles, reviews, discussions ... Really, friends, it’s not worth it ... I took 18 “frags” in that “fight”, by the way. It was a cruel slaughter ... Here is a "photo" from a different angle, found in my bins. I even made an inscription, I was so proud of myself ... Meticulous ones can compare the picture of the damage)))

[lvov_aleksey]

if they remember the story in China, they still have to live and live !!!