Brezhnev's report on the atrocities of Bandera in Western Ukraine published


In October 1945, the future General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev served as head of the political department of the Carpathian Military District. At this time, in Western Ukraine, the unfinished detachments of Bandera were actively operating.


In the autumn of 1945, Brezhnev made a political report about their actions on the territory of the district, excerpts from which were published today by RuBaltic.ru.

In the report, Brezhnev informed the chief of the GlavPU of the Red Army I.V. Shikin about the frequent cases of attacks by Ukrainian nationalists on garrisons and individual Soviet troops. He gave examples of incidents testifying to the atrocities of Bandera against fighters of the Red Army.

In particular, he talks about the capture by bandits of two fighters in the area of ​​the city of Stanislav (now Ivano-Frankivsk). One of them, Bandera ripped off his ear, gouged out his eyes, chopped his jaw with an ax, burned his arms and legs.

Brezhnev in his report also spoke about other attacks, which were most often carried out from ambushes, stealthily. However, he notes that if the bandits face an organized rebuff, they suffer losses and hastily retreat into the forest, not accepting the battle. To accept the battle was not in their rules during the Great Patriotic War. Their usual practice is intimidation of civilians, looting, robbery. Recall that today in Ukraine, members of the UPA (an extremist organization banned in Russia) are considered almost "national heroes."
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  1. The leader of the Redskins 18 May 2020 11: 54 New
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    After the war and the end of the forestry technical school, the husband of the grandfather’s sister was sent from the Kiev region to Western Ukraine. After some time, he and two local guys disappeared during the next round of the forest ...
    Found them a few days later. Even strangers cried. There were gouged eyes, and stars carved on the backs, severed fingers ...
    Since then, in our family the heroism of the Bandera taboo movement ....
    1. Sky strike fighter 18 May 2020 11: 55 New
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      In particular, he talks about the capture by bandits of two fighters in the area of ​​the city of Stanislav (now Ivano-Frankivsk). One of them, Bandera ripped off his ear, gouged out his eyes, chopped his jaw with an ax, burned his arms and legs.

      Neanderthals are some of the Carpathian caves. Well, what else can I say? A dead end branch of evolutionary development.
      1. yfast 18 May 2020 12: 21 New
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        However, they rule a rather big country like that.
        1. Sky strike fighter 18 May 2020 12: 35 New
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          Quote: yfast
          However, they rule a rather big country like that.

          Did they build this country, or did Lenin and Stalin build it, build factories, and then, ironically, did they get a big country like that? Yes, a big country, but with a policy like that now it's just a big country.
          1. Serg65 18 May 2020 13: 43 New
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            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            and then, ironically, a rather big country got like this

            The most interesting thing is that the same Brezhnev, who wrote the reports to the GlavPU, becoming the Secretary General, made efforts to revive Bandera! What an irony! recourse
            1. Kochegarkin 18 May 2020 13: 55 New
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              Quote: Serg65
              The most interesting thing is that the same Brezhnev, who wrote the reports to the GlavPU, becoming the Secretary General, made efforts to revive Bandera! What an irony!

              Can you prove it?
              Otherwise, you are a LIAR !!!
              1. Serg65 18 May 2020 14: 02 New
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                Quote: The Stoker
                Can you prove it?

                Yes, at once! Kravchuk Leonid Makarovich vivid confirmation of this !!! Arranges?
                1. Kochegarkin 18 May 2020 14: 06 New
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                  Нет!
                  Can there be more plausible evidence of support for the ultra nationalist movements in western Ukraine during the reign of Leonid Ilyich ???? !!!!

                  Selling skin Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, this is not a consequence of Brezhnev’s illiterate policy, but only Gorbachev’s weakness. If he planted oh at one time, but there was no reason to plant these critters under the USSR, they were Marxists to the ends of their hair, listen to their speeches at congresses, but they sold out in a timely manner, each for "his seat at the helm."
                  1. Serg65 19 May 2020 10: 20 New
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                    Quote: The Stoker
                    Selling skin Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, this is not a consequence of Brezhnev’s illiterate policy, but only Gorbachev’s weakness

                    Are you so naive that you think as if Gorbachev pulled out 3 villagers from nowhere and gave them high positions? Kravchuk, Yeltsin and Shushkevich held high positions in the 70s, the latter being a renowned nuclear physicist and sitting tight under the KGB cap! The founder of the nationalist RUH, member of the CPSU, USSR State Prize laureate Ivan Drach was raised precisely in Brezhnev's times!

                    Black-browed, love
                    Yes, not with Muscovites,
                    Muscovites are strangers,
                    mock you.
                    These are verses of Taras Shevchenko, so beloved in the USSR ... how many monuments to him are in the vastness of the USSR? Even the Kazakh city bore his name! The nationalist Shelest how many steered the Ukrainian SSR, and no less the nationalist Podgorny was even a member of the Politburo and chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR!
                    Quote: The Stoker
                    there was no reason to plant these creatures under the USSR; they were Marxists to the ends of their hair

                    Young Bandera and the son of a kulak become prominent communist figures i.e. in fact, the CPSU under Brezhnev was an ordinary passage yard!
                    1. Souchastnik 23 May 2020 20: 46 New
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                      in fact, the CPSU under Brezhnev was an ordinary passage yard!

                      Just like any parliamentary party now. Our set of deputies and members of various parties standing in line for a deputy mandate are a vivid example of this. For a good salary and deputy pension for 2 terms, they are ready for anything, while despising ordinary people.
                      What about deputies (senators) who don’t even speak Russian?
              2. Sewer krainiy 18 May 2020 20: 18 New
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                Quote: The Stoker
                Quote: Serg65
                The most interesting thing is that the same Brezhnev, who wrote the reports to the GlavPU, becoming the Secretary General, made efforts to revive Bandera! What an irony!

                Can you prove it?
                Otherwise, you are a LIAR !!!


                So Brezhnev wrote reports to GlavPUR for a report to Stalin, after which the banderlogs worthy of punishment were planted. Khrushchev pardoned Bandera. At one time I read archival affairs ... everyone was amnestied under one comb, it was fashionable at the direction of the CPSU Central Committee and personally N.S. Khrushchev. And the wave of amnesty continued under Brezhnev. They realized that you can get out, periodically filed an appeal. In one case, after three or four refusals (witnesses were alive). They were acquitted because they, the witnesses, died, there was no one to testify. A year somewhere 1970 - 72, a decree on amnesty was written by a young investigator-starley ... Therefore, I agree with you.
        2. anjey 18 May 2020 12: 48 New
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          The West is driving this country and these renegades, never have Ukrainian terry nationalists been and will not be independent and free, they historically have been gearing under the owners of Austro-Hungarians, German Nazis, Americans, these hoopoes should not be confused with the entire Ukrainian people.
          1. orionvitt 18 May 2020 13: 16 New
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            Quote: anjey
            not to be confused with all Ukrainian people

            Just they are the real Ukrainian people. By the name of which, for some reason they began to call all the Little Russians. The core of Ukraine, just there, in the Western world, but not like in Kharkov, or Odessa.
            1. Virus-free crown 19 May 2020 12: 45 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              Quote: anjey
              not to be confused with all Ukrainian people

              Just they are the real Ukrainian people. By the name of which, for some reason they began to call all the Little Russians. The core of Ukraine, just there, in the Western world, but not like in Kharkov, or Odessa.

              no no no!!! wassat "zapadnentsy" back in the late USSR did not bind themselves with Soviet Ukraine fool at the end of the 80s, he served in the army for 2 years in the same company with their diaspora - "we swam, we know" tongue
              1. orionvitt 19 May 2020 13: 08 New
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                they did NOT bind themselves with Soviet Ukraine

                The fact of the matter is that after calling the entire territory of Little Russia Ukraine, the Bolsheviks made a huge mistake. This is the same as calling all Siberia Chukotka and the entire population east of the Urals would become Chukchi. Tell me insanity. But in Ukraine, a ride.
                1. Virus-free crown 19 May 2020 23: 05 New
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                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Quote: Crown without virus
                  they did NOT bind themselves with Soviet Ukraine

                  The fact of the matter is that after calling the entire territory of Little Russia Ukraine, the Bolsheviks made a huge mistake. This is the same as calling all Siberia Chukotka and the entire population east of the Urals would become Chukchi. Tell me insanity. But in Ukraine, a ride.

                  I will specify drinks
                  Beyond minus the western land of the "Westerners" - this is Ukraine good
                  But to attach the Western lands after 1939 - yes, it was a mistake recourse
        3. orionvitt 18 May 2020 13: 13 New
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          Quote: yfast
          However, they rule a rather big country like that.

          Their they rule, not such a small country.
        4. Polite Moose 18 May 2020 13: 15 New
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          Quote: yfast
          However, they rule a rather big country like that.

          Therefore, I am very sorry that we have to read Brezhnev’s reports on Bandera’s atrocities in Western Ukraine instead of Brezhnev’s (or anyone else's) reports on the enforcement of sentences of Bandera’s in Ukraine. I won’t be surprised if in the near future we will have to read the published reports of Bandera about Brezhnev’s atrocities in the occupied territories.
          1. 4ekist 18 May 2020 13: 53 New
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            Khrushchev pardoned these same Ukrainians at one time, Brezhnev presented some secret reports there, with Gorbachev and the EBN they didn’t. They looked through their fingers and are now looking. Will they be watching for a long time?
            1. Polite Moose 18 May 2020 14: 10 New
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              Quote: 4ekist
              Khrushchev them at the time of these same Ukrainians pardoned

              By and large, wherever there were "flaws" of that time, the unrooted roots of the unfinished enemies of the Russian people sprouted. If our grandfathers acted harder then, there would be less vzvinin. And the memory of them and their descendants would be stronger.
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                Alf 18 May 2020 18: 58 New
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                Quote: Polite Moose
                If our grandfathers acted harder then, there would be less vzvinin.

              2. nikon7717 18 May 2020 23: 44 New
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                In 1953, the foreman went into the reserve, Super-urgent in the Carpathians took place after the Second World War. I never talked about what happened there after the war; my grandmother only told me once that he had been fighting with Bandera’s disadvantages all these years. That the Bandera farm was slaughtered for supporting the Soviets, they organized terror for the population. Well, it’s understandable that among these reptiles the locals were, they spared them, and they intimidated anyone.
          2. Sewer krainiy 18 May 2020 20: 38 New
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            Therefore, I am very sorry that we have to read Brezhnev’s reports on Bandera’s atrocities in Western Ukraine instead of Brezhnev’s (or anyone else's) reports on the enforcement of sentences of Bandera’s in Ukraine. I won’t be surprised if in the near future we will have to read the published reports of Bandera about Brezhnev’s atrocities in the occupied territories.
            In Soviet times, the Bandera’s atrocities and their executions and hangings were written and shown. And now why be surprised if Stalin started the war ... so Brezhnev certainly was atrocious in the West. I have a senior comrade, an employee of Smersh, who fought there with Bandera in the days of Stalin and Khrushchev. Compared, told a lot ... not in favor of the khrushch.
            1. Polite Moose 18 May 2020 22: 35 New
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              Quote: Sewer Krainiy
              In Soviet times, the Bandera’s atrocities and their executions and hangings were written and shown. And now why wonder if Stalin began the war ...

              So here I am about it. In the early postwar years, there were plenty of materials in the press and cinema. Then everything somehow calmed down. And now, the revelations of dear Leonid Ilyich have finally come to light (I personally have not heard anything about these reports before). Honestly, I don’t understand why to hide this part of our history in the archives? It was necessary to publish such materials more often. Less fearing for the fragile and vulnerable souls of muslin girls. You look, and there wouldn’t have grown ub-kov making heroes of the finished Bandera Mr-az-ee.
        5. Rostislav 18 May 2020 16: 53 New
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          So the Nazis drove a rather big country like that. Some time.
      2. Lelek 18 May 2020 12: 26 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Neanderthals are some of the Carpathian caves.

        hi
        The comparison is not true. Neanderthals were not allowed to mock their own kind. Tribe fought on tribe beyond the territory of influence - yes, but without torture and bullying. But banderopithecus is a special species of the animal world, imprisoned precisely on hatred of homo-sapiens - predators, the mistake of mother nature. Their destruction is a holy cause that the leaders of the USSR did not understand and N. Khrushchev who especially amnestied them was special.
        1. unaha 18 May 2020 12: 46 New
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          "Neanderthals did not allow mockery of their own kind. The tribe fought against the tribe beyond the territory of influence - yes, but without torture and bullying." - hardly anyone can either confirm or deny it)
          1. Lelek 18 May 2020 13: 08 New
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            Quote: unaha
            ... hardly anyone can either confirm or deny it)

            hi
            There was no reason for this. The animal world was arranged like this - it was possible to kill for food either because of territory, or because of procreation, but mocking the captive, weak, dissenters - this is the invention of our neocivilization and its ugly formations (fascism, Jesuitism, Bandera .... )
            1. unaha 18 May 2020 13: 16 New
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              That is true, but the Neanderthals were no longer animals, the "attendant costs" of rationality cannot be ruled out.
              1. Lelek 18 May 2020 13: 26 New
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                Quote: unaha
                ... but the Neanderthals were still not animals


                And Neanderthals, and the rest of the "food", and you and I are representatives of the animal world on a cosmic body called Earth, where the hosts are bacteria, germs and viruses. There are about 7 billion of us people, and they ... I won’t even call such numbers. fellow
                1. unaha 18 May 2020 13: 35 New
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                  "where the hosts are bacteria, germs and viruses" - which is especially pronounced in recent months)))
      3. RUSS 18 May 2020 13: 12 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Neanderthals are some of the Carpathian caves

        That's for sure, the only thing they did well was burrowing into the ground, by the way, during the Vietnam War, on the basis of Bandera caches, ours taught us to build Vietnamese caches and shelters in the jungle
      4. New Year day 18 May 2020 14: 21 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Neanderthals are some of the Carpathian caves

        no, they are nationalists of the highest standard! It is a pity that then they were amnestied. It was the 118th Ukrainian auxiliary police battalion (118 Batalion Schutzmannschaft), which consisted of Ukrainian nationalists of the Bukovinsky Kuren, who burned Khatyn
    2. Yaro Polk 18 May 2020 14: 06 New
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      Exactly this animal is quite possibly doing itO (with photo)
      1. Snail N9 18 May 2020 18: 22 New
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        Our family lives in the stairwell from Ukraine; we arrived long ago, even before the "perestroika" (from the Poltava region, Khorolsky district). So, somehow I talked with the mistress on the topic of "independence" and "Bendera." She surprised me by saying that no Benderaites in Ukraine after the war supported their ideas of “self-independence,” except for those who served the Germans and were afraid of responsibility for this, however, “self-independence” was beneficial so that they weren’t punished for serving the Nazis. And all the rest, the overwhelming majority of the common people, hated Bendera and feared for their brutal attitude towards all those who did not support them and did not supply products that people who were deprived of by the war already had few. She said that her and her sisters and brothers were scared by their mother and grandmother when they did not obey: "Bender will come and drag you into the forest and chop him up into pieces and feed the wolves" ...
    3. New Year day 18 May 2020 14: 17 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      There were gouged eyes, and stars carved on the backs, severed fingers ...

      in the mid-80s, when there was a Union, my colleague left for improvement in Zaporozhye, there were cadets from Zap. Ukraine. One of them invited my colleague to a wedding in Zap. Ukraine, but asked him not to say that he is Russian. At the wedding, after the adoption of the fervent, one of the grandfathers led the youth to the cliff and, boasting there, told how he shot people at this cliff.
      Well, a colleague, having arrived home. told us all this. As it was, he told request
      Then I was surprised at his story, but now I understand that it was true.
    4. silverura 18 May 2020 18: 54 New
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      After the war and the end of the forestry technical school, the husband of the grandfather’s sister was sent from the Kiev region to Western Ukraine. After some time, he and two local guys disappeared during the next round of the forest ...
      Found them a few days later. Even strangers cried. There were gouged eyes, and stars carved on the backs, severed fingers ...
      Since then, in our family the heroism of the Bandera taboo movement ....

      Want to hear everything, what I want to hear. This is your personal opinion - the one that Soviet ideologists and brave guys worked on. There is another plausible opinion, according to which the NKVD disguised themselves as Bandera’s and terrorized the local population, up to the facts about which you mentioned. By this method, descrediting them and intimidating the local population. There are facts, archives are open. It is impeccable that single cases of your opinion are possible.
      1. Alt 22 18 May 2020 23: 48 New
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        And there are FACTS that Bandera-dressed in Soviet uniforms and terrorized the population to incite hatred of the Red Army. The NKVD, of course, changed into Bandera - for reconnaissance and to destroy the Nazis. Not civilians - namely ghouls and executioners.
    5. stroybat ZABVO 19 May 2020 17: 19 New
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      This photo for the article looks better ...
  2. Invoce 18 May 2020 11: 54 New
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    Now, I saw it myself, wearing a Bandera uniform and a cap - pig ears is a pride for dill. In each district council, there are departments for "assistance" to banderlogs (mainly from Canada), on each square there are Bandera crosses, and monuments to "guides". The central streets of villages and cities are named in memory of "heroes" ... Normal people in Ukraine understand who fought with whom and for what. But such less and less. The old people who lived at that time still remember, and the youth are sure that the USSR was a concentration camp and Russia destroyed the Ukrainians ... I know from my experience in communicating with my niece and parents. In my opinion this is already irreversible. All cannot be cured. There is either a vaccine, if the regions will be part of Russia, or let them die or become ill. But sworn colleagues from overseas benefit from supporting this disease in the bodies of ex-brothers
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 12: 13 New
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      In addition to "help" from across the ocean, the people themselves must have at least their small brains. For me personally, the main thing is that after a while, the forelocks will not come running to ask for help and forgiveness. And our government, so as not to whine again the mantra about the "brotherly" people. I can understand everything. There are no sinless people. But the demolition of monuments to the commanders of the Great Patriotic War, zigovanie and prosperity in the Armed Forces "Glory to the Heroes" - I never understand. And I will not forgive. I really hope that the majority of our citizens think the same. And in general, tired of constant betrayal, the neighboring people ....
      1. New Year day 18 May 2020 14: 29 New
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        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        the people themselves must have at least their small brains

        you slightly overestimate the requirements for that people. It is just that the Soviet people are slowly leaving for the other world, and the Ukrainian government has already taken up the 92nd upbringing of Bandera. Do you know that the Bandera government fought and demanded the post of Minister of Education, and not military or economic posts?
        By the example of my classmate, who found herself in central Ukraine after distribution: from a Russian girl at school, while my mother was dying and spending the night at the factory, they raised a Russophobia. Mom was extremely amazed at this upbringing, the tensions between them are still, although the girl has already become a mother and has not changed her beliefs
        1. Alf
          Alf 18 May 2020 19: 02 New
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          For example, my classmate,

          Interestingly, Sylvester, who promoted your two messages for you? It seems that they are minded on the basis of personal hatred, like Bendera.
        2. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 19: 48 New
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          although the girl has already become a mother and has not changed her beliefs
          Yeah .. Interesting .. Your story reminded me of one incident from my life ..
          I don’t remember the exact year, but this year the movie "Taras Bulba" was released on the screens of movie theaters. My wife and I went to the cinema. We watched the movie. Personally, I really liked it. A wonderful game of actors and especially B. Stupka. I'm going on vacation in spring to my mother-in-law. Moscow-Odessa train. In the compartment there are three of us men. Men from different parts of the Russian Federation and one woman from the Kiev region .. He gave her his lower shelf. The four of us rode together, talked and talked. (A woman is a Gaster. But she works as a teacher in a school in the Kiev region. She periodically travels to Russia to earn money)
          All coupe talked about new films. Discussed "Taras Bulba" Everyone except this lady really liked the film. I ask her, for the sake of interest, what they say she did not like the film. She answers “ETO Russian Prapaganda” I specify - “In what exactly did she see“ Russian propaganda ”. She vaguely blew something. I asked her again -“ Did you watch the movie or not? ”She replies that she didn’t watch and In this case, I say that how can I talk about something without any idea? After that, I add, calmly and for the sake of persuasion, “The fact that you go to work in my country is normal. And to watch films of Russian directors is- "Russian propaganda?" In general, for her happiness, the train arrived in Kiev and she flew out of the compartment, like a plucked chicken. It’s such a shareware psychology that has led the “great descendants of the ShumErov” to what they are now sitting in ..
        3. boris epstein 19 May 2020 12: 00 New
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          The education of Bandera was slowly begun in 1985. He was in civil defense courses and retraining courses for reserve officers. Already then they talked about lack of space, that "Ukraine feeds Russia."
      2. silverura 18 May 2020 19: 14 New
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        For me personally, the main thing is that after a while, the Chubat people do not come running to ask for help and forgiveness

        And what can we offer them? As far as I understand what they remember - our main fate in the collapse of the USSR, the Holodomor 33 years., Mass deportations to Siberia and executions of the NKVD, Kruty, Donbass 2014 -...? etc, etc .. I think let them live their own life, the best way to help them. And then we'll see - what and how!
        1. Simargl 19 May 2020 07: 18 New
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          Quote: silverura
          As far as I understand, what they remember is our main fate in the collapse of the USSR, the Holodomor 33 years., Mass deportations to Siberia and executions of the NKVD
          Activists like the bald one (Khrushchev) carried out 99% of the tin: one thing is to overfulfill the plan for harvesting grain (you need to work here), and the other is to execute. That "intellectuals" and tried.
          Quote: silverura
          Donbass 2014-.
          Those. if the same Tatars are forbidden to learn their language - they will not blame? fool
        2. boris epstein 19 May 2020 12: 14 New
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          What do they remember about Kruty? They recruited about 300 TRAINED students and threw them under Muravyov’s division. The command of this kuren in the dugout drank moonshine, and at that time the Red Army pressed the students to the ground with machine-gun fire and captured them almost without loss from both sides. Here are just the most stubborn haydamaki -11 pieces-managed to dump. They disarmed the rest, poured the mind into the back gate and drove them home. Famine 33 years was throughout the European territory of the USSR. Not for nothing that there is still a proverb - starving from the Volga region. Note, not from the Dnieper! In the Volga region, hunger was even worse. On participation in the collapse of the USSR. The greatest "merit" in this is the Baltic states and ... Ukraine! Back in 1990, Ukraine refused to supply food to the Pacific Fleet of the USSR. Still in 1990, 180 students in Kiev were on hunger strike for lack of snow.
          1. silverura 19 May 2020 12: 57 New
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            On participation in the collapse of the USSR. The greatest "merit" in this is the Baltic states and ... Ukraine! Back in 1990, Ukraine refused to supply food to the Pacific Fleet of the USSR. Still in 1990, 180 students in Kiev were on hunger strike for lack of snow.

            Your arguments are ridiculous! And what have you personally done to protect your homeland? Really were - a patriot, or where there were people like you. Not Kiev was the capital of the USSR, but Moscow with the inhabitants of Moscow. Ukraine to the last did not raise the "yellow-black", Kravchuk was afraid of the red patriots, who nevertheless betrayed and are now nostalgic.
    2. tihonmarine 18 May 2020 12: 14 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      and young people are sure that the USSR was a concentration camp and Russia destroyed the Ukrainians ..

      Well, let them now try Western democracy and the American bread.
    3. RUSS 18 May 2020 13: 26 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      The old people who lived at that time still remember, and the youth are sure that the USSR was a concentration camp and Russia destroyed the Ukrainians ...

      They have such motivation, the Bolsheviks came in the year 39, destroyed the Uniate Church, drove all the peasants into collective farms, began to be called up to the Red Army, they broke the whole structure
  3. antivirus 18 May 2020 11: 56 New
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    Oroda Stanislav (present Ivano-Frankivsk). One of them, Bandera ripped off his ear, gouged out his eyes, chopped his jaw with an ax, burned his arms and legs.
    -This is to our fellow tribesmen brighten and birch the question of whom to glorify
  4. Mitroha 18 May 2020 11: 56 New
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    Their usual practice is intimidation of civilians, looting, robbery.

    Yes, because they are gangsters and nationalists, cowardly scum hitting the tight and the methods are appropriate. And they called themselves the army. There must be a Ukrainian gang of thugs (ubo)
    1. Sky strike fighter 18 May 2020 12: 00 New
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      What kind of army can a walk-field have? I beg you. Anarchy and lawlessness along with cave nationalism.
      1. Ferdinant 18 May 2020 12: 08 New
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        Yes, no, take a walk - the field as a Makhnovist movement and Benderstadt is very different and the opposite. The Makhnovists would never tire of creating atrocities against the people for foreign money all the more.
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          Quote: Ferdinant
          Yes, no, take a walk - the field as a Makhnovist movement and Benderstadt is very different and the opposite. The Makhnovists would never tire of creating atrocities against the people for foreign money all the more.

          I agree, Old Man Makhno was still more Russian than this trash Bandera corrupt ... soldier

          Well, something is happening now ..
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          Yes, no, take a walk - the field as a Makhnovist movement and Benderstadt is very different and the opposite. The Makhnovists would never tire of creating atrocities against the people for foreign money all the more.


          Right angels from your words. And in fact messengers.
          Makhno considered the best political system to be non-partisan Soviets. I thought that the state should not be big, so that the government did not move away from the people, but in general did not like the word "state".
          He did not deny private property and money, but he believed in a small-scale economy in which workers are also owners. And so that no one becomes too rich. The basis of all is free farmers. In cities, those types of activities for which the villagers are in demand should develop. Apparently, the old man did not think about the fate of science and culture in this situation.
          Makhno was Ukrainian and spoke “surzhik”, but he reacted with complete indifference to any national idea. For him, only the oppressed and the oppressors existed. With the hetman Skoropadsky, returning the land to the landowners, he fought irreconcilably, and supported benevolent neutrality with Petliura.
          In the Republic of Makhno there was universal and unlimited freedom of possession of weapons and there were no taxes. On the contrary, the Old Man shared military booty with the peasants.
          There were no prisons yet. Who is guilty - either forgive or shoot, but you can’t keep a person in captivity.


          In the winter of 1919, Makhno with the lads went into the Gulaypol reading room and asked the young librarian “something interesting”.

          - Feet need to be wiped! No crib here! What puddles you’ve got with your boots! - the black-browed beauty said sternly.

          - Great importance! Take a rag and wipe it off!

          - What more? Maybe you wipe your mouth? That rag ...

          The lads grinned. Old Man became enraged.

          - Carry a rag and wipe, I said!

          - They themselves have inherited, wipe yourself!

          Makhno pulled out a gun and blurted out to the ceiling.

          - I know that you kill a man - how to slam a fly!

          For several seconds he gazed frantically at the girl. Then he suddenly went limp, hid his weapon: “Okay, will you give something to read?”

          https://grimnir74.livejournal.com/11859794.html
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        What kind of army can a walk-field have? I beg you. Anarchy and lawlessness along with cave nationalism.

        Oles Buzin described it best of all, for which he was killed by Bandera.
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      their methods have not changed now, in the forests they had to be caught and hung.
  5. shoroh 18 May 2020 11: 58 New
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    Which country are such and heroes.
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    At the same time, he notes that if the bandits face an organized rebuff, they suffer losses and hastily retreat into the forest, not accepting the battle. To accept the battle was not in their rules during the Great Patriotic War. Their usual practice is intimidation of civilians, looting, robbery. Recall that today in Ukraine, members of the UPA (an extremist organization banned in Russia) are considered almost "national heroes."

    Cowardly cattle, they are cattle at all times, and now, too, nothing has changed!
    1. Sky strike fighter 18 May 2020 12: 03 New
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      You can compare them with dwarf, cowardly hyenas attacking from a pull-up, and against real armies they can only hide behind caches.
      1. knn54 18 May 2020 12: 34 New
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        They didn’t venture to openly fight against the Red Army. Is it up to the local, loyal to the Soviet authorities, fleeing prisoners of war, and simply lonely military men.
        SCARY that Bandera was called equal to Sikorsky, Malevich ...
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 12: 06 New
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    But now, these sadists are the "heroes" of Ukraine. With the tacit consent of the people of Ukraine. What kind of people are such and "heroes". Kozhedub for them already, not a hero ..
    1. Kronos 18 May 2020 12: 30 New
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      And what can the people do when the power of the nationalists is powerful propaganda and all those who disagree strongly pressed?
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 13: 14 New
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        propaganda-propaganda, but only 10 percent of the vote, this "people" gave for Boyko and Medvedchuk. And 75 percent - for the clown. This means that the "people" are very happy with everything. And at construction sites in the Russian Federation they "whine" how they live "hard" and how they "love Russia" ..
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          Boyko and Medvedchuk, they have long been desecrated as Yanukovych and Zelensky was a new man.
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          Boyko and Medvedchuk, this is an actual return to the “steal and wring” system, as in the time of Yanukovych, but at the same time we are hiding behind patriotic slogans. I think that there are enough such “smartly, Medvedchuk” in the Russian Federation. More than 70% voted for Zelya, but the main reason for casting a vote for him was: "Anyone, but not Gunpowder!" ...
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 15: 34 New
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            DO NOT distort, please. Boyko and Medvedchuk are the only ones who condemned the demolition of monuments and banderization. I agree that they have their own political interests. But as the elections in Ukraine showed, people don’t give a damn about everything. If only there was where and from whom, to collect the food from the table. In the EU, good. In Russia, too, good. The psychology of slaves ...
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          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Smartly and Medvedchuk.

          also those clowns, to be honest. the trouble is that Ukraine has never had a president oriented toward Russia. all the former thought only of the consumer attitude towards her. there are wines and the leadership of Russia, unfortunately
        4. revnagan 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
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          [quote = Andrey Nikolaevich] only 10 percent of the vote, this "people" gave for Boyko and Medvedchuk. And 75 percent - for the clown. Means, "people" are very happy with everything [/ quote
          ] The conclusion is quick and incorrect. Boyko and Medvedchuk were already seen in the case under Yanukovosch. There was hope that Ze was not like that. The trouble is that checking is “comfortable” or not only AFTER the election.
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          Zelensky is a new man, and Medvedchuk is an oligarch, like Boyko, they are sick and tired of everyone a long time ago. Well, the five-year propaganda has done its job, fooled the brains of the population.
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      Kozhedub for them already, not a hero ..

      But lying is not good. Did you not say that in childhood?
      http://museum.shostka.org/index/museum_kojedub/0-6
      Here, a museum in my city. During the quarantine period there were virtual tours.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 17: 31 New
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        Here, a museum in my city. During the quarantine period there were virtual excursions. "
        I pay tribute to the people who created the I. Kozhedub Museum and even conduct excursions there. But the objective situation is the opposite. The I. Kozhedub Museum is the rarest exception to the rule in present-day Ukraine.
  8. iouris 18 May 2020 12: 12 New
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    Brezhnev’s report on the atrocities of Bandera, and in the photo - the surviving Bandera. How does this differ from the publication of photographs of Nazi leaders on May 9? Nothing. This is how the Vlasov-Bandera propaganda works.
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      One gets the impression that the publication of such photos is paid at a separate rate. I understand that money is very important, but you need to know the shores. Better to sell the body than the soul.
  9. Pvi1206 18 May 2020 12: 16 New
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    sadists ... these cannot be kept in society ...
  10. Qwertyarion 18 May 2020 12: 18 New
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    All cannot be cured. Here, or a vaccine, if the regions will be part of Russia, or let them die or get sick

    Believe me, they do not need to be treated.
    If the situation changes, they will quickly change hands and become sane and legally obedient citizens.
    They will also draw up benefits for themselves as victims of Bandera propaganda.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 17: 32 New
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      They will also draw up benefits for themselves as victims of Bandera propaganda.
      In the top ten!
    2. Icarus 18 May 2020 17: 45 New
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      If the situation changes, they will quickly change hands and become sane and legally obedient citizens.

      It is doubtful. You do not take into account that those under the age of 40 lived, studied and brought up on an anti-Soviet and Russophobic basis. Outwardly, they may become law-abiding, but they will keep a stone in the bosom, and at any convenient moment they will throw it in the back. Only “flashing” of new generations will help, but something needs to be done with the current ones.
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        but they will keep the stone in the bosom, and at any convenient moment they will throw it in the back.

        They will definitely hold both a stone and a knife, but if the new system is powerful, they will quietly live out their lives, and young people will go their own, new way.
  11. Vita vko 18 May 2020 12: 19 New
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    The question is different. Why are the authorities of the Russian Federation still maintaining diplomatic and economic relations with the country officially supporting Nazi criminals and openly dealing with genocide?
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      For the same reason why they are stored in the Baltic states! For our population, we type against the Nazis in reality do not care
  12. bzbo 18 May 2020 12: 29 New
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    It looks like the Galicians will give the Poles to be eaten ...
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      They will run there like a herd of sheep.
  13. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 12: 29 New
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    Brezhnev's report on the atrocities of Bandera in Western Ukraine published
    75 years late
  14. DHO_N1 18 May 2020 12: 30 New
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    My grandfather fought against them in 1946-48. Beasts they, nonhumans, spoke. This is the softest thing I heard as a petty grandson.
  15. Incvizitor 18 May 2020 12: 35 New
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    It is a pity that at one time they were not completely cut out; I would have buried such alive in pits.
    1. Doccor18 18 May 2020 13: 39 New
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      The Russian people are the most merciful. Ango-Americans clearly cleaned their Indians, and who else survived went on a reservation. So with these idiots it was necessary ...
  16. cniza 18 May 2020 13: 12 New
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    In particular, he talks about the capture by bandits of two fighters in the area of ​​the city of Stanislav (now Ivano-Frankivsk). One of them, Bandera ripped off his ear, gouged out his eyes, chopped his jaw with an ax, burned his arms and legs.


    And their heirs are now in power ...
  17. 2112vda 18 May 2020 13: 22 New
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    My grandmother had to face these “heroes" twice. The first time in the winter of 42 years near Stalingrad in the occupation. A German officer saved from reprisal. The second time in 47, when I went to my sister in Berezhany. "Heroes" shot the train, passengers were lying on the floor. It is useless to re-educate these "hoopoes"; they were always scum, in the 15th and in the 21st century. This is not good of course, but only a solid “sweep” will help there. Zaporizhzhya Cossacks knew perfectly well who they were dealing with, periodically came there and brought them to their senses.
    My uncle fought with them there from 45 to 51, he can’t stand them, although we are Ukrainians.
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      Grandfather before the 50s. d drove this scum through the forests, they are civilians during the day, bandits at night.
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    from a part of the USSR and it was ruined that after Khrushchev came to power, he immediately began to produce
    from the camps of those Bandera who were put there under Stalin. The same thing happened with Khrushchev with the bandit forest brothers in the Baltic states. At will under Khrushchev from the Stalin camps. Ever since the Khrushchev era, it has become fashionable to remain silent about the atrocities of both Bandera and forest bandit brothers. After all, how is it, because is it possible that among the Soviet people there was so much of this scum. Therefore, about this scum and about its atrocities for several decades, in fact, there were no films or books. Like about
    Vlasov and about his betrayal and about his army.
    But Khrushchev was very cunning. All the so-called intelligentsia in Western Ukraine, who hated the Russians and who sympathized with the Bendera and Hitlerites, but who managed to escape the Stalinist camps, turned Khrushchev's skin back, came to life and began to support Khrushchev. By
    moreover, everyone had their mouths shut so that no one would remember the public how much everything was
    there was a lot of this scum during the war and after the war in Ukraine, the Baltic states, and even in Russia itself, and that Stalin’s pasadas were even very deserved.
    So from this scum an elite was formed which, about Khrushchev, began to climb to the top in power, with
    Brezhnev, she already sat in power at many levels and only clapped at congresses of the Communist Party of the SS, and then
    she brought Gorbachev and together with him completed the collapse of the Soviet Union that had begun with Khrushchev.
    Brezhnev was also from Ukraine and knew about these atrocities by Bandera and about their number. But how are you against
    you will argue with Khokhlyat’s expansion in the Communist Party of the SS if they kissed Brezhnev so sweetly and the stars of the Hero of the Soviet Union hung every five-year plan for Brezhnev ..
  19. A. Privalov 18 May 2020 14: 15 New
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    Why was it hidden in the archives? From whom have they been hiding for 75 years?
    They would talk about this earlier, speak publicly, show documents without hiding, study in schools, so today there would be no heroization of bandits.
    Now, time is lost. Poisoned seeds from old rotten bins fell on well-fertilized soil and gave their poisonous seedlings. negative
    1. 4ekist 18 May 2020 14: 51 New
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      I accidentally, at one time, found out that S. Khatyn and others, along with the inhabitants, burned these same Ukrainians. It is not surprising why they took kaklov and the Baltic states as punishers. For a long time "secret" was hidden. Who hid- to the answer. Let them tell the people.
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        Khatyn and others together with the inhabitants burned these same Ukrainians.

        Firstly, not Ukrainians, but Bandera Galicians. And secondly, in Yugoslavia (and on the territory of the USSR too) punitive actions were carried out by collaborators of the ROA and other national Russian formations. So it turns out that the Russians burned Yugoslav, Belarusian and Russian villages, so ?
        1. 4ekist 18 May 2020 18: 14 New
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          Let me remind you again: the ROA and Mr. Vlasov are convicted and are war criminals, and subsequently they tightened the noose around his neck. And in Ukraine, who served in the "SS" - heroes. SO?
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            I want to clarify: on Vlasov’s neck they tightened not a loop, but a guitar string.
            1. 4ekist 18 May 2020 18: 48 New
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              Better yet, no soap.
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                It is possible .. Humane savings.)
        2. Byurer 18 May 2020 19: 23 New
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          The 118th security battalion consisted mainly of former prisoners of war of the Red Army, Ukrainian nationalists there were a couple of dozen, and those were not Galicians, but Bukovynians ... And not even Bandera, but Melnik’s supporters
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 17: 40 New
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        For a long time "secret" was hidden. Who hid- to the answer. Let them tell the people.
        Honestly, I had exactly the same feeling when I found out about it. (From a speech by some head of the Academy of Sciences of Belarus) But from his own words, it followed that the information about the participation of Ukrainian fascists in the burning of Khatyn was classified at the direction of Stalin. Whatever they say about Stalin, but even judging by this, he was a visionary man and politician. Just imagine what could have happened in the USSR, if Belarusians had known about what ethnic group they had burned Khatyn? .. It would have been a centuries-old enmity between two Slavic peoples ...
        1. 4ekist 18 May 2020 18: 06 New
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          In Soviet times, the fact of the participation of collaborators in the crime in Khatyn was hushed up. The first secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine and the Communist Party of Belarus Vladimir Scherbitsky and Nikolai Slyunkov appealed to the Party Central Committee with a request not to disclose information about the brutal murder of civilians in the village. The request was treated with "understanding." Here is the list of UGLYFLES-
          List of performers:
          The 118th Schutzmannschaft Battalion [11]
          commanders: Major Erich Körner, Major Konstantin Smovsky (Ukrainian) Russian, Major Ivan Shudrya;
          Chief of Staff: Grigory Vasyura;
          company commanders: Lieutenant German, Nikolai Franchuk, Joseph Vinnitsky, Ivan Naradko;
          platoon: lieutenant Vasily Meleshko, lieutenant Pasichnyk, Dmitry Gnatenko, Mikhail Slavutenko;
          rank and file: Corporal machine gunner Ivan Kozynchenko, privates Vasily Leshchenko, Grigory Spivak, Stepan Sakhno, Ostap Knap, Timofey Topchiy, Ivan Petrichuk, Vladimir Katryuk, Grigory Lakusta, Stepan Lukovich, Ivan Ivankiv, Ivan Slizuk, Georgy Szorbin, Georgy Sherban, Ilchuk, Vasily Filippov, Ivan Strokach, Mikhail Kurka, Ivan Lozinsky, Yuri Shveiko, Pavel Polyakov, Nikolay Savchenko, Pyotr Bilyk, Pavel Kremlev, Sergey Solop, Sergey Myshak, Savely Khrenov, Nikolai Gursky, Andrey Vlasenko, Vasily Zayats, Nikolai Zvir, Pavel Vavrin, Mikhail Dyakun, Mikhail Te the sword, Dmitry Nyaklya, Nikolay Kalenchuk and his brother, Grigory Dumych, Ivan Kushnir, Grigory Titorenko, Nikolay Pypa, Pyotr Dzeba, Ivan Vasilenko, Savko, Pochapsky, Mikhail Bardysh, Pavel Vus, Ivan Varlamov, Pankiv, Kmit, Harchenko, Lyutyk, Shumeyko, Kotov, Kipran, Pinchuk, Shulga, Yurashchuk, Storozhuk, Unguryan, Abdullaev, Naberezhny, Semenyuk, Beskanderov, Litvin, Goretsky, Egorov, Pogoretsky, Polevsky, Dedovsky.
          SS Battalion Dirlewanger

          company commander: Ivan Melnichenko
          rank and file: Alexei Stopchenko, Vasily Zayvy, Theodosius Grabarovsky, Ivan Pugachev, Ivan Tupiga, Alexey Yurchenko, Leonid Sakhno, Vasily Yalinsky, Mikhail Maydanov, Alexander Radkovsky, Stepan Shinkevich, Methodius Bagriy, Pyotr Tereshchuk, Ivan Tereshchenko, Pyotr Gereshchenko, Pyotr Ureshchenets, Pyotr Ureshchenets, Pyotr Gereshchenko, Pyotr Gereshchenko, Peter , Nikolai Shapovalov, Nikolai Rozhkov, Andrei Sadon, Stepan Slobodyanik, Afanasy Ivanov, Ivan Goltvyanik, Ivan Petrenko, Pavel Romanenko, G. A. Kirienko, M. A. Mironenkov, Slynko, Doloko, Nepop, Khlan, Yevchik, Mokhnach, Surkov , Sotnik, Primak, Makeev, Kovalenko, Zozulya, Bakut, Godino , Rogiko.
  20. Peter Panfilov 18 May 2020 14: 18 New
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    In the early 80s, I was talking fishing with one grandfather, who served in the 40s in a special department of some army. There was a conversation about immigrants from Ukraine in the Soviet government of that time. He greatly surprised me, calling the "natives" accomplices of Bandera. As arguments, he cited the fact that Stalin and his Chekists had eradicated and quite successfully the OUN underground in Ukraine, and the Ukrainian secretary Nikita Khrushchev (for supporting the Ukrainian party secretaries) in the fight against Beria, began to curtail this fight (until the final victory on the eve of the XX Congress) , plus he also gave Crimea ... Yes, the Tatars were not returned to Crimea then, and the zapadents from the banks of the Kolyma were released among the first.
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      In fairness, Lavrentiy Beria, after Stalin's death, also took initiatives to change the policy towards Western Ukrainian and Lithuanian nationalists, he opposed the excessive number of Russian cadres in the national regions and the wider use of local languages.
  21. senima56 18 May 2020 14: 36 New
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    "You still answer me for Sevastopol!" - with this and many other phrases from "Brother-2" everything is said!
  22. Zaurbek 18 May 2020 14: 42 New
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    Tov Stali and Khrushchev did not solve the problem to the end. It was necessary for the entire population of Western Ukraine to be evicted to Kazakhstan or the Far East and to populate the territory with other people. Like the Kaliningrad region. And the rest in the forests would not run for a long time and their experience would not be passed on to anyone.
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      Tov Stali and Khrushchev did not solve the problem to the end.

      The first did not have time.
      The second did the opposite.
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      Tov Stali and Khrushchev did not solve the problem to the end. It was necessary for the entire population of Western Ukraine to be evicted to Kazakhstan or the Far East and to populate the territory with other people. Like the Kaliningrad region. And the rest in the forests would not run for a long time and their experience would not be passed on to anyone.

      stop
      Well, what is the habit of sending the whole chantrap and shusher to us in Siberia and the Far East?

      Seriously, I was interested in the question for a long time: after the Civil War there was a devastation, the army and the Cheka (OGPU), the border troops had weak materiel and learned from their mistakes, however, they successfully fought against Basmachi in Turkestan. In any case, in the early thirties, large gangs no longer terrorized civilians.

      Why, in the USSR, having after the Great Patriotic War a successful experience of sabotage and anti-sabotage struggle, the bandit underground in the memory and Baltic countries was not destroyed?

      My grandfather’s elder brother from the Altai Territory since 1944 served in the SMERSH as part of the 1st Ukrainian Front, never crossed the USSR border, they left to establish work together with border guards. He resigned from the KGB in the Lviv region. I did not answer questions about Bandera, I turned my head away and changed the subject of the conversation ...
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      Comrade Stalin and Khrushchev on this issue is politically and historically wrong to put alongside, as well as Andropov, Gorbi, Yakovlev, etc. If not for the latter, then the "problem" would be solved. Now we are almost in the situation of 1941. Not yet possible.
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      The problem is that in Western Ukraine there were many supporters of Soviet power and neutral people.
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        Under Comrade Stalin, this was not an obstacle .... the ardent communists also sat ...
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    In Ukraine, tenacity attacked common sense and, apparently, the blitzkrieg was a success.
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  25. stomatologist 18 May 2020 15: 20 New
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    Well, what's wrong with that?

    Khrushchev has the same passport ..))) And who are the occupiers?
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      Khrushchev has always indicated nationality "Russian". He never considered himself a Ukrainian. I heard from many people that sometimes in the 30s in Ukraine and Belarus people were recorded by Ukrainians and Belarusians, without asking especially their wishes. If possible, people subsequently in the documents indicated the nationality "Russian". Among my relatives and friends I have examples of this kind. And someone did not attach any importance to this. A lot of examples where siblings with common parents had a different entry in the column "nationality". I will make a reservation that sometimes this was deliberately done by agreement between parents belonging to different nationalities. So that neither father nor mother would be offended.)
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    They were ordered to officially consider them national heroes, which was unambiguously declared at the state level. But personally, in families, not at the state level, these old-timers are treated like husky dogs (well, except Galicia, they are “heroes” there).
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  28. Tamparu 18 May 2020 16: 38 New
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    DO NOT distort, please. Boyko and Medvedchuk are the only ones who condemned the demolition of monuments and banderization. I agree that they have their own political interests. But as the elections in Ukraine showed, people don’t give a damn about everything. If only there was where and from whom, to collect the food from the table. In the EU, good. In Russia, too, good. The psychology of slaves ...

    Please forgive me if I offended you with something! BUT!
    But the condemnation of the demolition of monuments and Bandera is the only thing that unites us !!!!
    Everything else ... this is a complete identification with the "Gunpowder", "Kolomoisky" and "gop-stop" company !!!
    Elections in Ukraine ... Yes, I agree, most of the population probably already doesn’t care! Because, that those that others work for your pocket, and not for the state! Everyone has long understood that in this country, first of all, it is necessary to think about the well-being of yourself and your loved ones. Everything else is secondary! Who is ready to become a slave, brings down to Europe. They at least pay well for it. Someone, in spite of everything, is still waiting for something ... Maybe the onset of the "revolutionary moment", or maybe something else?
    For the EU already said like ...
    For Russia ... maybe good? But, in my subjective opinion, “a lot of very similar things that are happening in Ukraine can be observed in Russia. The most important similarity is that at the helm of both states are people who have come out of the same“ trough ”and, in most are pawns of someone who manages all processes directly in the state! If you do not agree with me, then please wait for an answer ...
    Sincerely, hi
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 18: 14 New
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      If you do not agree with me, then please wait for an answer ...
      Thanks for your reply. Sorry for not unsubscribing before. I didn’t notice right away ..
      Our positions with YOU are controversial, but I will try to express my vision as I can ..
      Objectively: the Kremlin did not pursue any of its policies in Ukraine. Limited to counting gas transit through Ukraine, to the EU. Even the ambassador (V.S. Chernomyrdin) was not a professional diplomat. Reactions to the rewriting of history and the beating of WWII veterans in Lvov from the Kremlin and MID ZERO. The result is two generations of those who hate Russia.
      As for the citizens of Ukraine themselves: in 1991 it was very funny that they became "non-independent." But every year, due to the economic situation, the "fun" was decreasing. Each election voted for the new leader of the country and at the end of his term in office shouted “Get” (From Kravchuk to Zelensky). In addition, the vast majority of Ukrainian citizens (according to my observations) are very “tactful” and clearly dissatisfied with the authorities, living standards and economic, political situation is not expressed. I put it mildly .. And the rewriting of history and the demolition of monuments were treated "very tolerantly", continuing to travel for generations to Russia and the EU and earn money. I don’t know why they were so attracted by the prospect of integration with the EU, but again stupidly relying on a new freebie, they were deceived for the third time. (The first and second time is 1992 and the Maidan of 2004) I was quite tolerant of the two deceits of an entire nation. Well laughed seeing the pots on their heads and okay. But I do not want and will not calmly relate to the demolition of monuments. I fought affairs. I was wounded, shell-shocked. I went to hand-to-hand combat ...
      There is a limit to any patience. Personally, I - "the line is over." The attitude towards the people has changed. Henceforth, I will be very careful and thoughtful when communicating with citizens of Ukraine. Sorry, but the saying "Russia is an open soul" to me is not applicable. With respect,
  29. LeonidL 18 May 2020 16: 59 New
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    Each country, choosing its heroes and history, actually chooses its future. Ukraine, having turned into the territory of the Absurd, has chosen its own - this territory has no future.
  30. Dzafdet 18 May 2020 17: 01 New
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    Someone will reach rubber and a lot of blood will be shed. Uncleanliness will again scatter through the forests and everything will start from the beginning.
  31. tank64rus 18 May 2020 18: 21 New
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    My uncle's brother was sent to Western Ukraine to work, took his family with him. They were all killed, even a six-month-old baby. I remember how my uncle hated them. Once, as a kid, I heard his conversation with my Father. He said to him: “Vasya, I don’t understand what’s going on in our Ukraine, all the Bandera’s are in power, got hold of leading positions. This will not lead to good.” He looked into the water. "It was 1974.
  32. Sewer krainiy 18 May 2020 21: 30 New
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    Quote: silverura
    After the war and the end of the forestry technical school, the husband of the grandfather’s sister was sent from the Kiev region to Western Ukraine. After some time, he and two local guys disappeared during the next round of the forest ...
    Found them a few days later. Even strangers cried. There were gouged eyes, and stars carved on the backs, severed fingers ...
    Since then, in our family the heroism of the Bandera taboo movement ....

    Want to hear everything, what I want to hear. This is your personal opinion - the one that Soviet ideologists and brave guys worked on. There is another plausible opinion, according to which the NKVD disguised themselves as Bandera’s and terrorized the local population, up to the facts about which you mentioned. By this method, descrediting them and intimidating the local population. There are facts, archives are open. It is impeccable that single cases of your opinion are possible.



    I do not have a personal opinion, I have the memories of a Smersh employee in the fight against Bandera in the West. In the afternoon: dumplings, dumplings ... at night - automatic. How many ordinary Ukrainians they killed, not only activists ... let them writhe in hell so far. I read the archives for years in 1970, so let's get the facts if you find something new in open archives. As they say ... proofs in the studio.
    1. Sewer krainiy 18 May 2020 22: 11 New
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      Also, find una.pdf on the Internet. I tried to reset it to VO, but alas ... I could not. Interesting, however.
    2. alien 18 May 2020 22: 31 New
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      “How could it happen that some people in the power structures of Ukraine forgot about the“ exploits ”of the notorious Bandera“ rebel army ”formed by the OUN -“ the organization of Ukrainian nationalists ”(OUN, UPA and Bandera are essentially synonyms)?

      Even before the war, when Hitler came to power in Germany, the OUN establishes close contacts with the Nazis. Its headquarters was located in Berlin and had the status of a special department of the Gestapo headquarters. With the help of German intelligence, barracks were built where OUN fighters were trained. And one of the leaders of the organization, Stepan Bandera, studied at a reconnaissance school in Danzig. In Western Ukraine, which was then part of Poland, Bandera was engaged in terrorism: he organized the robbery of postal trains and post offices, setting fire to printing houses, as well as political killings. It was he who came up with the scenario of the assassination attempt on the secretary of the Soviet consulate in Lviv Andrei Mikhailov [33]. After the German occupation of Poland and Western Ukraine, as part of the 202nd command of the Abwehr Bandera, with the consent of the German command, he was engaged in the preparation of subversive detachments of the OUN. He also participated in the formation of two battalions - Nachtigall and Roland, which soon began to exterminate the Polish intelligentsia of Lviv and the Jewish pogroms. Ethnic cleansing was the main occupation of UPA units. In July 1941, in Lviv, the nationalists distributed this appeal of Bandera: “People! Know! Moscow, Poland, Magyars, Zhydwace. Beggar IX! Lyakhiv, the Jews, the communes know without mercy! .. ”[33]. In Volyn, the OUNites slaughtered the entire Polish population, over 15 thousand people. One of the main initiators of the creation of the UPA was again Bandera. This "army" on behalf of the German occupation authorities fought against the Soviet partisans, guarding railways and bridges in the occupied territory, carried out punitive operations. And from among the OUN members, with the help of the Germans, six battalions of the Ukrainian security police were formed (shuttsmanshaft battalions). Their purpose is to fight the Soviet partisans. On the account of Ukrainian punishers dozens of burned Belarusian villages and villages ... In the book of Polish historians Y. Turovsky and V. Semashko about the crimes of the OUN-UPA on 166 pages of small print lists the names of the villages, the number of inhabitants, the number of those killed, and the methods of murder.»
      Page 277
      https://elib.grsu.by/katalog/142479-273778.pdf
    3. north 2 18 May 2020 22: 32 New
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      if something would have been in the archives of the discrediting NKVD in post-war Ukraine, then the liberals Yakovlev, Volkogonov, Roy Medvedev, etc. under Gorbachev would definitely have pulled it out of the archives and specifically
      presented to the public. Because the KGB was the heiress of the NKVD, and the discrediting of the KGB was one of the primary tasks of the destroyers of the USSR. And if these cases of how the NKVD turned out to be terrorizing the population of Western Ukraine, would have been found not in the archives of Moscow but in the archives of Kiev, then these cases, defaming the Soviet authorities, would have been pulled out and brought to the public in Ukraine is all and sundry. Starting with Kravchuk and ending with the current Poroshenko, Turchinov, Avkov, Yarosh, etc.
      So, history is not what someone told, but what happened. And what was, it is reflected in archival affairs and materials ..
      1. Sergej1972 19 May 2020 10: 04 New
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        You probably haven’t read Roy Medvedev for a long time. Over the past 25 years, he has greatly changed his position on many issues. And, strictly speaking, he was never a liberalist. Rather, he was close to leftist, socialist views.
  33. alien 18 May 2020 22: 51 New
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    about the atrocities of Bandera

    «"Volyn massacre". Under this name, the genocide in Volhynia of the Polish population in 1943-1944 entered history. According to Polish data, during the conflict, UPA units exterminated more than 36 thousand people. The Polish edition of Na Rubiezy (No. 35, 1999), published by the Volyn Foundation, describes 135 methods of torture and atrocities that Bandera applied to the Polish civilian population, including children. Here are some of them: stripping hair from the scalp (scalping), driving a bayonet into the temple of the head, piercing children with colas through, cutting off the wives of the breasts and sprinkling the wounds with salt, sawing the body in half with a carpentry saw. And this is not all fanaticism.
    Cutting the abdomen and pulling out the intestines in adults, nailing a small child’s tongue to the table, and sitting the baby on a stake, gouging eyes, and also cutting off pieces of the body with knives were also used. The victims were not only Russians, Belarusians, Czechs, but also ... peaceful Ukrainians themselves, who did not actively cooperate with them (12). ”
    (12) Lashkul V.F. “Why there is no excuse and forgiveness” // “Politics”,
    2013, No. 99. S. 35-37.


    “The outstanding Ukrainian publicist and writer Yaroslav Galan in his essay“ What is the name? ”Spoke about one of the many crimes of the OUN members:“ A fourteen-year-old girl cannot calmly look at meat. When they plan to fry cutlets in her presence, she turns pale and trembles like an aspen leaf. A few months ago, on Sparrow’s Night, armed people came to a peasant's hut, not far from the city of Sarny, and stabbed the hosts with knives. The girl looked wide with horror at the agony of her parents. One of the bandits put the tip of a knife to the throat of a child, but at the last minute a new idea was born in his brain: “Live for the glory of Stepan Bandera! And so that something good, did not starve to death, we will leave you products. Well, lads, chop her pork! .. ”“ Lads ”liked this offer. A few minutes later, in front of a girl numb with horror, a mountain of meat grew from the bleeding father and mother ... "(13)"
    (13) Galan, Y.A. Why there is no name / http://www.segodnia.ru/
    content / 13421.


    pg. 6-7
    https://www.rosgvard.ru/uploads/2019/05/verstka-razvoroty.pdf
  34. Revolver 19 May 2020 06: 03 New
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    Ah comrade Stalin, why did you abolish capital punishment in 1947? Indeed, so would thousands of Bandera outweigh. As you yourself once put it, "there is no man, no problem." And then you planted them, and Khrushchev pardoned.
  35. alien 19 May 2020 08: 23 New
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    How Sidor Kovpak's life story helps dispel the myths of nationalists

    Ukrainians need to "remember that, in addition to 260 thousand Soviet partisans, another 7 million Ukrainians fought as part of the Red Army"
    https://russian.rt.com/science/article/522344-sidor-kovpak-nastoyashiy-geroy-ukraina
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      He was a real hero. And about his descendants and descendants of other well-known figures of Soviet Ukraine, supporting ATO-OOS, did not read? Sometimes apples fall very far from the apple tree.
      1. alien 19 May 2020 11: 10 New
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        Quote: Sergej1972
        And about his descendants and descendants of other well-known figures of Soviet Ukraine, supporting ATO-OOS, did not read?

        Formation of the image of a historical enemy in school history textbooks in the post-Soviet space.

        “The task of assembling national identities also explains the representation of Russia as a historical enemy self-determined in connection with the collapse of the USSR peoples in post-Soviet history textbooks (3). One can hear that these textbooks are a model of unprofessionalism. An emphasized sarcastic attitude is demonstrated to them. In fact, they are made professionally, bearing in mind the purpose that is pursued in them.

        What should be done if the task is to build a nation? A few obvious things. The first thing is to create a common succession history, preferably as old as possible.
        The second is to create the image of a historical enemy. Through history, the idea is introduced that there is a historical enemy that interrupted the existence of the original statehood.
        Third, deconstruct the old identity and replace it with a new one.

        All these three tasks are successfully implemented, for example, in Ukrainian school curriculum literature (4). Responsibility for the outbreak of World War II lies equally with Germany and the USSR. The related nature of the Hitler - Nazi and Stalin - Bolshevik regimes is emphasized. The name "Great Patriotic War" is generally absent, being replaced by the concept of "Soviet-Nazi" war. The substantial structure of its presentation
        also quite revealing.

        Of the seven pages of the textbook allocated to it, three are devoted to the death in Babi Yar of a member of the OUN (organization of Ukrainian nationalists) Elena Teligi, two to the combat path of the UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army), and only two to the whole other event outline and the estimated interpretation of the war. The fact that Ukrainian nationalists actively collaborated with the Nazis and were involved in the Babi Yar tragedy, of course, does not say anything. OUN and UPA are rated as the main forces of anti-Hitler resistance. Not about the victories of the Red Army, nor about the actions of the red partisan units (such as, for example, the largest partisan formation led by Kovpak) not reported. Hero cities Odessa, Sevastopol, Kerch in a summary of wartime events not even mentioned.

        <...> The marker of the "northern aggressor" is also applied to the politics of post-Soviet Russia long before 2014. Students form an opinion about the imperialist continuity of Russian statehood. Even being democratic, Russia, according to this logic, demonstrates aggressive aspirations towards Ukraine.
        <...> The relevance of the Russian threat remains in the presentation of Ukrainian school textbooks and in relation to the subsequent periods of the existence of independent Ukraine. Its presence explains and justifies the process of accession of a number of countries of Central and Southeast Europe to NATO. ”

        Page 67. http://o-rossii.ru/images/blog/sbornik-vish.pdf
  36. Berkut154 19 May 2020 09: 48 New
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    And what is shown at the beginning of the article of the mug of this hero? If we are talking about Brezhnev’s report about these creatures, then it would probably be correct to place a photo of Leonid Ilyich during the war years !!!!
  37. 23424636 19 May 2020 14: 14 New
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    The neighbor. Grandmother Nina. Somehow opened up. - She served with her husband in Kamchatka and there she was called a bender. And she came from Volyn .- And I answered them, what kind of Bender am I. I am a Russian from Rusyns. In 44, Bendera drove into the village and began to pick up men and teenagers to fight. They seized one and began to forcefully recruit under threat of death. and then a boy of 10 years jumped out into the yard and told them - leave my brother. we need to work on the field - and you only rob and kill .. In response, they immediately shot the boy and dragged his brother into the forest. Future girl Nina always played with this boy and they were very friendly, and after his murder, she was speechless before her eyes for a year, did not speak, but only cried. "We were not afraid of the Germans. They did not touch us in the village. We were afraid of these forest animals, they were a real evil," this elderly woman recalled.
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      Rusyns do not live in Volyn.
  38. As a Ukrainian, I have one question for those who want blood and a “final” solution to the Bandera issue (in 2020 or in 1946 or in 1970). Why did the Russian Federation, taught by the bitter experience of Khrushchev, not solve the Chechen question? After all, many opponents of the Russian Federation in the past (90-2000 years) now feel very well and, perhaps, even better than the “winners”.