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S-500 "Prometheus" is able to "strike" the program F-35 and the entire US defense industry

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S-500 "Prometheus" is able to "strike" the program F-35 and the entire US defense industry

In the West, they are closely watching how the implementation of the program for creating the promising S-500 Prometheus anti-aircraft missile system is progressing in Russia. Recall that earlier representatives of the manufacturer noted that the S-500 will be in service with Russian units and formations in the near future. These words and the very fact of the imminent appearance of the latest air defense systems in the Russian Armed Forces aroused concern in NATO.


Mark Episkopos, columnist for The National Interest, an American publication, called data on the imminent adoption of the S-500 in service in Russia “bad news for NATO. "

The author notes that the promising S-500 Prometey complex, which he calls the Triumfator-M, has a number of undeniable advantages over the existing air defense systems.

From the article:

The new generation of Russian missile defense S-500 boasts many best-in-class features.
It is assumed that the complex is capable of deploying anti-ballistic missiles at 600 kilometers, which is 200 kilometers more than the formidable S-400. The flight range of the S-500 corresponds to the equally impressive ability to track and intercept up to ten missile warheads flying at a speed of more than 4 miles per second (more than 6,4 km / s - approx. “VO”).

One of the main questions that are being asked in the West today in connection with the development of the S-500 by Russia is whether the S-500 can detect and, if necessary, shoot down fifth-generation F-35 aircraft of various modifications. The answer to this question is important primarily for the United States. Indeed, if the stealth technology implemented on the F-500 turns out to be an open book for the S-35, then this may strike even not the F-35 prestige itself, but its commercial program, so to speak.

F-35 is one of the largest US commercial projects in the military-technical industry over the past few decades. The program has already “eaten up” hundreds of billions of dollars, and therefore the manufacturer expects an increase in purchases of fighter jets both in the United States and in the allied countries. And if it suddenly turns out that the S-500 “Prometheus” radars “see” the F-35 in any flight mode, if the complex is capable of intercepting missiles that are currently in use with American weapons, then this will be a lower-than-belt strike for the entire American defense industry, including that fifth generation fighter program.

Against this background, an additional trump card will appear in the new-generation Russian fighter Su-57, which is being prepared for deployment to the arsenal of the airborne forces. It consists in the fact that for the modern fighter "stealth" technology plays far from an advanced role. Other parameters of the aircraft are much more important, including its maneuverability, which is determined including its engines.
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  1. seti
    seti 18 May 2020 08: 18 New
    +6
    The Prometheus S-500 is a triumph of Russian design thought.
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 May 2020 08: 23 New
      19
      Quote: seti
      The Prometheus S-500 is a triumph of Russian design thought.

      And what is the S-400 Triumph?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 18 May 2020 08: 25 New
        -25
        Quote: svp67
        And what is the S-400 Triumph?

        This is already under-triumph! laughing
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 May 2020 08: 29 New
          20
          Quote: Victor_B
          This is already under-triumph!

          Never did he like to apply such epithets to weapons, and even never tested in battle ... The enemy is the same "does not sleep" and his scientists work just as fruitfully and come up with something
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 18 May 2020 08: 30 New
            -2
            In the sense of "non-triumph"?
            Duc it on
            S-500 is a triumph of Russian design thought
            , and not the official name - "Triumph".
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 18 May 2020 09: 23 New
              +6
              Quote: Victor_B
              In the sense of "non-triumph"?
              Duc it on
              S-500 is a triumph of Russian design thought
              , and not the official name - "Triumph".

              It was a triumph light ....
          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 18 May 2020 08: 42 New
            11
            The author too idealized the development. Of course, you can’t stand still, but singing the praises of weapons not yet tested in conflicts, in my opinion, is also not worth it.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 18 May 2020 15: 45 New
              +2
              Now, if he discovers the F-35, and even can launch a missile onto this F-35 (which is not the same thing), then the S-500 is a triumph of thought! hi
              1. Charik
                Charik 18 May 2020 20: 18 New
                -1
                But if the radar found out, is it something he will not be able to capture the target and aim the rocket?
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 18 May 2020 21: 01 New
                  +1
                  Radar in one range can detect (the Serbs therefore found the F-117 as an old complex with a meter range), and radar in a different range (in modern air defense systems).
                  And it is in this other range that "invisible" is invisible. hi
                  As stated by the Yankees - we do not need to make the plane 100% invisible. We need to break the chain of detection-tracking-guidance in one place.
                  If the S-500 is effective at all stages, the victory is ours.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 19 May 2020 02: 06 New
                    -2
                    Against F-35, S-500 is effective. For a simple reason - the energy of its targeting radar is so high that it takes a missile warhead (!) To support at a distance of about 1000 km. And the range at which the F-35 appears above the horizon line is no more than 350 - 400 km. And you can shoot down at a shorter distance - so for sure.
                    But the S-500 is still a more complex missile defense system than air defense. At a distance of 600 km, he can only detect a promising hypersonic missile at an altitude of about 30 - 40 km. He will find targets at an altitude of 10 m at a distance of no more than 000 km. (The earth is still round). And for purposes at such a distance, the S-400 is enough.
                    So the S-500 is a missile defense system. With the possibility of destruction and other aerodynamic targets. Maybe that’s why no more than 10 - 20 divisions are planning their purchases, apparently to cover the most valuable administrative and industrial centers.
                    And against low-flying satellites.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 19 May 2020 11: 36 New
                      +1
                      And the S-500 can control both the S-400 and others. hi
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 19 May 2020 19: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        And the S-500 can control both the S-400 and others.

                        Quite right, in the S-500 BC there can be missiles from the S-400 and possibly S-350, as well as the S-500 radar can give target designations to other air defense systems of its regiment / brigade.
                    2. clidon
                      clidon 19 May 2020 17: 11 New
                      -3
                      And the F-35 discovers with its optical system without any energy a ballistic missile for 1000 km.

                      They love our child prodigy.
              2. major147
                major147 19 May 2020 19: 55 New
                +3
                S-500 "Prometheus" radars "see" the F-35 in any flight mode


                I came up with an advertising slogan!
                "Buy the S-500 Prometheus and get the F-35 as a gift .... as much as you want!" fellow
            2. Campanella
              Campanella 19 May 2020 08: 47 New
              +3
              The author works in the style of Russian propaganda, giving praises in advance. Soviet developers spoke of such achievements only after testing and in a narrow circle.
              And here it will work out more like Putin’s, who, with pain in his heart after sweet promises, goes to forced unpopular decisions.
              I can only say one thing, triumphs require academic groundwork, and something is not heard at all about the victories of academic science in Russia. So most likely this is a duck about the old development of the times of Bunkin Boris Vasilievich, well, the maximum of Lemansky.
          3. Ka-52
            Ka-52 18 May 2020 08: 55 New
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            Not when I did not like to apply such epithets to weapons, and I have never yet experienced them in battle.

            for some reason, only citizens of the former USSR have the genes to spread rot in themselves all the best. Ashamed of his achievements. Feel free to name the best one. Americans, for example, are not at all embarrassed or ashamed. And they call their F-35 the best airplane in the world, their "super-duper rocket" the best rocket. And in our country, antics over the expression "has no analogues" is fashionable and naturally rips off a bunch of likes. When will we get rid of this servility in ourselves?
            moreover, I’ve never been tested in battle ...

            duck and for "partners" most of the systems were not tested in real combat (we will omit the war with slippers)
            1. svp67
              svp67 18 May 2020 09: 07 New
              10
              Quote: Ka-52
              for some reason, only the citizens of the former USSR in the genes spread rot all the best in themselves.

              No, you are confusing this concept with "boasting". And what is happening now is beginning to resemble this more.
              Quote: Ka-52
              Ashamed of his achievements.

              He is ashamed of his successes - not when, but one cannot "rest on our laurels", especially in the issue of weapons. "Disappointment" is too sick
              Quote: Ka-52
              When will we get rid of this servility in ourselves?

              Now I don’t understand what you wanted to say ...
              Quote: Ka-52
              Americans, for example, are not at all embarrassed or ashamed.

              But how can I say ... the current situation with their Patriot air defense system clearly shows that "they did not boast of going into battle ..."
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 18 May 2020 09: 20 New
                10
                No, you are confusing this concept with "BOOKING"

                Bragging is when they say that “we will shoot down these Fu-35s with one rocket. And when they say that the created system is one of the best in the world in terms of its parameters, it is a reason for pride.
                He is ashamed of his successes - not when, but one cannot "rest on our laurels", especially in the issue of weapons. "Disappointment" is too sick

                where did you get the "honoring on laurels"? it seems that the development of air defense systems in the USSR and the Russian Federation on the C-75 did not stop.
                But how can I say ... the current situation with their Patriot air defense system clearly shows that "they did not boast of going into battle ..."

                SAM "Patriot" is a product of marketing policy. It was pushed everywhere by the same methods as wasting machines or vacuum cleaners are usually sold. And it is clear that at some point, very mediocre performance characteristics came out.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 18 May 2020 15: 50 New
                  0
                  And it is clear that at some point very mediocre performance characteristics got out.

                  Yes? But the Saudi crooked-legs do not take into account? hi
                  And the Syrians abandoned the "Pantsir" in an open place without ammunition, went for a walk and was smashed by the Israelis.
                  What, after that, and "Shell" is bad? hi
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 19 May 2020 02: 27 New
                    0
                    Well, that Syrian "Shell" shot the ammunition and waited for reloading ... the crew went out to "smoke", and the Israelis got it with a long-range ATGM, which they did not seem to expect - they had just repulsed the raid.
                    Destroy an empty air defense system - not a great merit, he had nothing to fight back, and they did not think of taking the car to reload to a safe place. Apparently they didn’t want to leave the position.
                    And "Shell" is not bad at all.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 19 May 2020 11: 39 New
                      0
                      ... but they didn’t think of taking the car to reload to a safe place.

                      I say - crooked. hi
              2. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 19 May 2020 09: 17 New
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Ka-52
                When will we get rid of this servility in ourselves?

                Now I don’t understand what you wanted to say ...

                Yes, at least signs in non-Russian language on our streets, eurorepair, western technology, Englishism, etc. First of all, you need to learn to respect yourself.
            2. lucul
              lucul 18 May 2020 10: 48 New
              -5
              for some reason, only the citizens of the former USSR in the genes spread rot all the best in themselves. Ashamed of his achievements. Feel free to call a better best.

              Because the Jews create a fashion for this, temporarily mimicking the Russians, in order to gain confidence in them, and to spread their propaganda painlessly. Because the successes of Russians painfully hit according to the theory of God's chosen people.
              You see Russophobe on the Internet - in 85% of cases it will not be Russian, just some have learned to mimic it.
              1. really
                really 18 May 2020 11: 05 New
                +3
                And again the God-bearing people took up arms against the chosen ones, laughing laughing
                1. svp67
                  svp67 18 May 2020 11: 23 New
                  +5
                  Quote: really
                  And again the God-bearing people took up arms against the chosen ones

                  This is God given us such fun ...
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno 18 May 2020 13: 45 New
                    0
                    So the Jews do not believe in God ....
                    Ps. The fact that the Jews give shelter to his admirers, this does not mean Faith ... rather respect.
              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon 18 May 2020 11: 39 New
                20
                Quote: lucul
                Because the fashion for this is created by the Jews

                Of course, they are always to blame for everything. lol
                1. yfast
                  yfast 18 May 2020 12: 24 New
                  +1
                  And also Gotsman.
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 18 May 2020 13: 37 New
                    +2
                    Quote: yfast
                    And also Gotsman.

                    And about the Barrier were killed, worthless, he also contributed.
                    1. lis-ik
                      lis-ik 18 May 2020 16: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      Quote: yfast
                      And also Gotsman.

                      And about the Barrier were killed, worthless, he also contributed.

                      First was Kuhlman.
                      1. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 18 May 2020 19: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        First was kulman

                        No, first there was the Gulf Stream, which, according to Petka's report, froze to Vasily Ivanovich. To which he replied: "I said not to take Jews into the detachment."
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 19 May 2020 02: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        First was Kuhlman.

                        And on Kulman - Whatman!
                      3. andreykolesov123
                        andreykolesov123 19 May 2020 05: 14 New
                        +1
                        Quote: bayard
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        First was Kuhlman.

                        And on Kulman - Whatman!

                        And on Whatman Waltzman.
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 19 May 2020 05: 21 New
                        0
                        The Designer worked with Whatman.
                      5. novel66
                        novel66 19 May 2020 13: 37 New
                        +3
                        Yes, you understand, - Varvara boiled, bringing a newspaper sheet to the chamberlain's nose. - Here is the article. See? "Among hummocks and icebergs". - Icebergs! - said Mitrich mockingly. “We can understand that. There is no life for ten years. All Icebergs, Weisbergs, Eisenbergs, all sorts of Rabinovichs.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 18 May 2020 15: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Ka-52
        for some reason, only the citizens of the former USSR in the genes spread rot all the best in themselves.

        Of course. I will say more, only the citizens of Russia, the only people in the world who hate their country, and sometimes directly hate, living in it. Not a single citizen of any other country, with such obsession and perseverance, does not harass his country. This is such a fetish of many Russian citizens.
        Quote: Ka-52
        And in our country, antics over the expression "has no analogues" is fashionable and naturally rips off a bunch of likes.

        And why are you surprised if even the concept of patriotism has become abusive, as well as the word patriot. And he came up with the terms all sorts of egghead clever men, like -hoo-patriot.
        This is such a feature of many citizens of the Russian Federation, the type is all bad, there is dirt all around, fools and devastation, etc. ... it is not clear how such citizens live in such a crap country.
        I'll show you one video, an American professor ... listen to what he says. And perhaps those who throw shit on the fan every day and scream that everything is bad in the country will be at least a little ashamed.
        By the way, I turn to such clever people — for example, are you aware that the other day Russia lowered the Vityaz unmanned vehicle to the bottom of the Mariana Trench? Everything seems to be not surprising, since many countries lowered the devices there, but ... Vityaz is the only AUTONOMOUS robot that he himself did without remote control. None of all developed countries have yet repeated this!
      3. ApJlekuHo
        ApJlekuHo 20 May 2020 02: 52 New
        0
        for some reason, only the citizens of the former USSR in the genes spread rot all the best in themselves. Ashamed of his achievements. Feel free to call a better best.

        Are you familiar with the concept of "secrecy"? This is far more important than bragging about the venal media.
    2. sgrabik
      sgrabik 19 May 2020 17: 59 New
      0
      But the fact that their SAMs Patriot in all respects lose to our S-400 is a fact that even the Americans themselves admit, no one exaggerates anything, well that the S-500 will be a much more advanced, more long-range and effective system than the S- 400 is also not worth arguing.
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 18 May 2020 11: 52 New
    +3
    This is already under-triumph!

    - even a little bit, even a teaspoon of C500 is already good ...
    they said even earlier: you’re striding widely, you will tear your pants-- ALL YOUR TIME AND C400 WELL NOW AND TOMORROW
    1. Rusfaner
      Rusfaner 18 May 2020 22: 03 New
      0
      "... you are striding widely, you will tear your pants -" (c)
      Mongolian saying
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 19 May 2020 10: 18 New
        0
        they didn’t walk anymore - they jumped
        1. novel66
          novel66 19 May 2020 13: 38 New
          +1
          there were not enough pants - so they jumped
  • Zmeuka
    Zmeuka 18 May 2020 11: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: seti
    The Prometheus S-500 is a triumph of Russian design thought.

    And what is the S-400 Triumph?

    This is the foundation, like the S-300, S-75, etc. ..
    Russian air defense, this is the result of the Second World War, when Messers robbed on the territory of the USSR.!
    The memory has remained at the genetic level .. So, let the adversaries not hope, repeat the 41-42th again.
    1. bars1
      bars1 18 May 2020 11: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Zmeuka
      Russian air defense, this is the result of the Second World War, when Messers robbed on the territory of the USSR.!
      Memory has remained at the genetic level

      This refers more to the air defense of the Ground Forces, with which we had trouble in World War II. After the war, the lesson was learned.
      1. Zmeuka
        Zmeuka 18 May 2020 11: 39 New
        0
        Quote: bars1
        This refers more to the air defense of the Ground Forces, with which we had trouble in World War II. After the war, the lesson was learned.

        But with the connection it would be something else to come up with an independent one .. It seems that the info has slipped that the developments are underway and even have already entered the Army! But Morse code still does not need to be forgotten in the Army! I feel useful .. hi
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 18 May 2020 12: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Zmeuka
          But Morse code still does not need to be forgotten in the Army! I feel useful ..

          The main thing is NOT to transmit, but HOW to transmit! If there is an effective communication system that the enemy cannot easily break or open, then morse can be transmitted))))
          1. Zmeuka
            Zmeuka 18 May 2020 13: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Albert1988
            Quote: Zmeuka
            But Morse code still does not need to be forgotten in the Army! I feel useful ..

            The main thing is NOT to transmit, but HOW to transmit! If there is an effective communication system that the enemy cannot easily break or open, then morse can be transmitted))))

            I'm not special in this matter, but I understand you .. You need to encrypt. Even if you have to give commands to the public ..
            "Cucumbers went" or how somewhere the signalmen were Tajiks or someone else from the national minorities .. So they balabolic between the headquarters, the Fritzes were shocked laughing good
            Or in the Donbass in the Chechen, Yakut negotiations were ..)))
  • Invoce
    Invoce 18 May 2020 12: 05 New
    +1
    S-500 Prometheus, aka Tiumfator. S-400 Triumph, aka, by analogy "Favorite" lol
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 18 May 2020 14: 50 New
    0
    Most likely - the same triumph, but for a certain period of time.
  • kjhg
    kjhg 18 May 2020 08: 31 New
    -10
    I dare to say that the S-500 does not pose any threat to the F-35 program from the word AT ALL. This is connected not even with the fact that this air defense system is not yet in service, but with the fact that, as the military themselves declared, it will be too expensive to become widespread. For those who have a bad memory, let me remind you that according to the GPV 2011-2020. by the end of this year, 10 S-500 divisions were to have entered service. But even this scanty amount, against the background of new statements by the Ministry of Defense on the purchase of 2027 S-5 divisions by 500, does not seem so small. You don't need to be a great military expert to understand in which areas of the country these one-piece divisions of "gold" complexes will be located. Therefore, if some crazy next US president is not going to bomb Moscow and St. Petersburg with free-fall bombs on the F-35 without first suppressing air defense, then the chances of these systems actually meeting each other are close to zero.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 18 May 2020 09: 01 New
      10
      I dare say that the S-500 poses no threat to the F-35 program from the word AT ALL.

      better not say save time to readers.
      Therefore, if some crazy next president of the United States is not going to bomb Moscow and Petersburg with free-fall bombs on the F-35

      in your personal universe, long-range air defense systems can only hit planes that use free-fall AB? And where does the Office for Drug Control look only? ....
      1. Zmeuka
        Zmeuka 18 May 2020 11: 47 New
        -2
        Quote: Ka-52
        better not say save time to readers.

        Exactly, otherwise such provocateurs got divorced .. The system is serious definitely! hi It is not for nothing that the West spread such hysteria in the world about the Russian threat of their robbery bombings and robberies .. Let them descend from "heaven" and show themselves in ground operations if they are so "exceptional" .. hi
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 18 May 2020 14: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: Zmeuka
          Let them come down from "heaven"

          And this is a remark to the place.
          Sergei Shoigu said in a special appeal, broadcast on air He said that the S-300 air defense system, capable of intercepting air attack weapons at a distance of over 250 km and hitting several targets at the same time, would be delivered to the Syrian armed forces within two weeks. To ensure centralized control of all Syrian air defense forces and means, monitoring of the air situation and operational target designation, command posts of the Syrian air defense units and military units will be equipped with automated control systems. This, as the Minister noted, will guarantee "the identification of all Russian aircraft by Syrian air defense systems." In addition, in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea, radio-electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communication systems of foreign military aircraft attacking objects in Syrian territory will be applied. “We are convinced that the implementation of these measures will cool the“ hot heads ”
          S-300, S-400 for five years of work have not shown themselves AS.
          C-57 did not enter the army and did not conduct a single combat mission BEST in the world.
          F-35 today in the amount of 500 units involved in combat operations and suffered only TWO accidents THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
          With these boobies you will not make the COUNTRY great.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 18 May 2020 11: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Ka-52
        better not claim save time
        Here rather in the article itself the emphasis is incorrectly placed, from here the phrase arose
        Quote: kjhg
        S-500 poses no threat to the F-35 program

        In fact, the S-500 is the US response to withdraw from the agreement on limiting missile defense and INF. Therefore, the opinion that
        Quote: kjhg
        10 S-500 divisions. But even this is a tiny amount
        doesn’t correlate with the fact that now in Russia only 2 (two!) regions have an anti-missile umbrella, i.e. there will be an increase in the efficiency of the fire capabilities of the missile defense system by almost 5 times. Moreover, the S-500 is the first complex that implements the concept of aerospace defense with the prospect of repulsing attacks by atmospheric-type hypersonic weapons, which the United States has just violated.
        Regarding the attitude of the S-500 to "striking" the F-35 program, it is probably worth remembering that in Yugoslavia the much less noticeable F-117 stealth was shot down by an old S-125 air defense system. Therefore, the main threat to the F-35 is not carried by air defense systems, which will bring it down 100% if it is in the affected area, but radar systems of radio-technical reconnaissance systems of meter and decimeter range of unearthly or airborne, necessary for timely detection and target designation. At the same time, it should be understood that any air defense system, and even more so aerospace defense, is primarily a dining ACS system, with a whole complex of heterogeneous countermeasures for air defense systems, electronic warfare and fighter aircraft. ACS algorithms for aerospace defense are developed taking into account the choice of the optimal variant of hitting targets. Therefore, if the operations for the F-35 are not planned entirely by the last ides, then the probability of its being hit by the C-500 missiles is extremely small.
    2. venik
      venik 18 May 2020 10: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: kjhg
      You don't need to be a great military expert to understand in which areas of the country these one-piece divisions of "gold" complexes will be located.

      =======
      Share your thoughts "in which EXACTLY" pli of!
      ------
      Quote: kjhg
      and with the fact that, as the military themselves declared, it would be too expensive to become massive.

      =======
      Actually, the S-500, as I understand it, is a complex super long interception (according to some reports - 600 km or more). And they by definition can not be massive! And they are planned not to REPLACE S-400, but in ADDITION to ...! As an element of the echelon air defense / missile defense.
      -------
      Quote: kjhg
      Therefore, if some crazy next US president is not going to bomb Moscow and St. Petersburg with free-fall bombs without first suppressing air defense, then the chances of these systems actually meeting each other are close to zero.

      =========
      Those. you naively believe that if the SAM system does not fire missiles at an air target, but gives target designation for it to lower-level systems (in the case of the S-500, these are the S-400, S-350, S-300 and Buk), then It does not count"???
      By the way, if you had read the article carefully, you would have noticed that in the context of air defense, the Yankees fear most of all its capabilities to DETECT "stealth" aircraft (and, accordingly, the capabilities of TARGETING and GUIDANCE!). At your age, it's time to realize that air defense / missile defense is not a "gun" with a radar - it is a SYSTEM !!! Moreover, the ESCHELONED system!
      You don't even know all the capabilities of the S-500 (as well as all of us (except for the designers and the military leadership)) - but you are already undertaking to "criticize" ... request
      1. really
        really 18 May 2020 11: 10 New
        -5
        This author says, if they see the C500, then in vain did they make F 35, but if they do not see it? The author does not consider such a question.
        1. venik
          venik 18 May 2020 11: 21 New
          -4
          Quote: really
          This author says, if they see the C500, then in vain did they make F 35, but if they do not see it?

          =====
          Well then it means "not in vain" ......
          --------
          Quote: really
          The author does not consider such a question.

          =====
          In fact, the author considers the reaction of the Americans to the S-500, but not whether she sees the F-35 or not ....
          1. really
            really 18 May 2020 11: 57 New
            -1
            I think they see or do not see the main question
            1. bayard
              bayard 19 May 2020 02: 49 New
              -2
              Quote: really
              I think they see or do not see the main question

              Of course they see.
              If he sees a warhead at a distance of 800 - 1000 km.
              The S-500 (as well as the S-400) has a multi-frequency radar, which means high noise immunity, and the ability to see stealth targets that are stealth only in a certain frequency range. If the set of operating frequencies of the radar is wider than the stealth range of the fighter ... Plus the power (!!!), which the previous air defense systems did not even dream of. wink
              1. really
                really 19 May 2020 06: 27 New
                0
                The warhead is not made with stealth technology, it has a different task, false targets fly with it, and the station's task is to determine the correct target for the rocket. While all countries are testing for training purposes, as it will be unknown, it is better not to check
                1. bayard
                  bayard 19 May 2020 06: 43 New
                  -3
                  Quote: really
                  Warhead not made with stealth technology

                  She's just LITTLE.
                  And very fast moving.
                  In any case, the F-35 will be closer (no further than 400 km. With its own altitude of 10 m.), At an altitude of 000 - 5 m. - At a distance of about 000 km. With its sounding pulse power, enough reflection from the cockpit lantern and the pilot's headset.
                  Quote: really
                  false targets fly with it, and the station’s task is to determine the correct target for the rocket.

                  Well, in the case of ICBMs, they will probably fly and have their own algorithms for their selection, but in the case of IRBMs and operational-tactical ones, they are unlikely (although our Pioneers had them). In the event that the enemy appears with promising hypersonic missiles with an echelon of 30 - 000 m, they will not have false targets for sure. But the S-40 will be able to hit them from the line of 000 km.
                  Most likely, the S-500 will be used as the missile defense system of the most valuable industrial, administrative and military facilities. In all other cases, the S-400, S-350 and S-300 will be quite enough.
                  1. really
                    really 19 May 2020 09: 24 New
                    0
                    You write everything beautifully, but I think it will never be needed
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 19 May 2020 18: 22 New
                      -1
                      Not yet evening .
                    2. really
                      really 19 May 2020 19: 34 New
                      0
                      I mean, are you already going to war? Drink kvass, chill
                    3. bayard
                      bayard 19 May 2020 19: 57 New
                      0
                      I’ve been in war for six years.
                    4. CSKA
                      CSKA 20 May 2020 16: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: bayard
                      I’ve been in war for six years.

                      Are you fighting in the Donbass?
                    5. bayard
                      bayard 20 May 2020 19: 45 New
                      0
                      Donetsk Since 2014
                    6. CSKA
                      CSKA 21 May 2020 15: 44 New
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      Donetsk Since 2014

                      In 2017, I left the 11th Guards Motorized Rifle.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 18 May 2020 13: 14 New
    0
    And do not forget the electronic warfare system, in the appendage. These just cover everything with noise. As far as I remember, I have never read in open sources that the F-35 flew in areas where our electronic warfare is active. Maybe I just didn’t come across ...
    1. bayard
      bayard 19 May 2020 02: 53 New
      -3
      In Western Syria, our electronic warfare equipment works regularly, so Israel’s F-35s are familiar with the situation. It’s just that these tools can’t work in continuous mode, from there the whole civil aviation navigation system flies to hell.
    2. really
      really 19 May 2020 06: 30 New
      +1
      There is little information on electronic warfare, mainly in Domantsev's articles laughing
  • venik
    venik 18 May 2020 10: 17 New
    0
    Quote: seti
    The Prometheus S-500 is a triumph of Russian design thought.

    ========
    Rather - Triumph (such was his first name) - The S-400 became a Triumph! wink
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 18 May 2020 08: 21 New
    -5
    And the next one, S-600, then what will strike?
    On American bases on the moon?
    Or, on the contrary, will the swarms of droneless shoot down tiny racquets? good
    1. viralig
      viralig 18 May 2020 08: 27 New
      +5
      No, you're talking about satellites and others like them.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 18 May 2020 08: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: viralig
        No, you're talking about satellites and others like them.

        And this is work for Nudoli!
        And she (Nudol (or is he?)) Never a S-600.
      2. Zmeuka
        Zmeuka 18 May 2020 11: 22 New
        -1
        Quote: viralig
        No, you're talking about satellites and others like them.

        If you deprive the United States of satellites and other gadgets ..That all is no longer the United States and its power .. It’s simply blind! hi
        1. really
          really 19 May 2020 19: 36 New
          0
          If a bird cuts its wings, if ..... In general, it will not be able to fly
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 18 May 2020 08: 40 New
      -3
      So the S-500 is a blow below the belt, the S-600 means, uh, stepping on your favorite callus. But the main consequences are that all NATu is panicky, they will wipe their tears with crowded diapers and apply for Russian citizenship. wink
      1. KLV
        KLV 18 May 2020 08: 54 New
        +3
        ... on your favorite callus.
    3. Fat
      Fat 18 May 2020 09: 09 New
      -2
      Write what is required specifically. I am sure there will be a solution ... as always.))))
      Perspective, it is not such a good thing, you can only guess.)))
    4. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 18 May 2020 09: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: Victor_B
      And the next one, S-600, then what will strike?
      On American bases on the moon?
      Or, on the contrary, will the swarms of droneless shoot down tiny racquets? good

      The next dvizhuha now most likely will again be viruses. Again, the Chinese will eat the wrong animal and ....
      Everything is still not clear with this epidemic. But the break-in is underway. According to scientists, the more people pass the virus through themselves, the more it mutates.
      Here’s the perfect weapon for you. And panic, and a blow to the economy, and undermining the regime ... It is very suspicious that the spread of distribution in China itself is suspicious ... either they have a vaccine, or they had it from the beginning, or the communist system and tough discipline make it possible to deal with such questions.
      So, it’s much more effective to poison the population quietly with viruses, GMOs, chemistry in products, poor-quality medicines, chemistry in clothes and household items ... than to drop free or non-free-falling ABs. Look at the percentage of infertility in young people lately and the number of abortions and no 35 no need ...
      The war is already underway and they are already killing us.
    5. venik
      venik 18 May 2020 11: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Or, on the contrary, will the swarms of droneless shoot down tiny racquets?

      ========
      For this, the "Shell" is being finalized:
      From an interview with the chief designer of the complex Valery Slugin:

      "...Question: Recently, a new air threat has appeared in the form of small-speed small-sized drones. Can the “Shell” fight them?
      - Unmanned aerial vehicles were originally one of the types of targets that the Carapace must fight against. At the time of the creation of the complex, these were quite large and high-speed targets of an airplane type. Then the drones became small-sized, with a small effective scattering area, flying at low speeds. The vulnerability of all radar systems is just work on such small low-speed targets.

      Question: What changes have been made to the "Shell" in order to deal with similar goals?
      - We have adapted location tools for the detection and accurate tracking of stealth targets. Our new missile does not have a homing head, only the striking part. If we already see the target by the radar station of the combat vehicle, we are guaranteed to undermine the warhead along the drone's path, and the field of fragments will cover it reliably.

      Question: It was reported on the development of small-sized missiles for the Shell. What is the status of these works now?
      - So far this is a research project that does not carry fundamental questions, unlike a hypersonic missile ..... A small-sized missile does not require high speed, its main task is to be cheap. The Pantsir’s combat vehicle has a large ammunition load — 12 missiles and 1400 shots to the cannon, so it can easily destroy about 20 targets or even more, but this may not be enough in the current state of air attack weapons. Current missiles "Shell" hit 20-30 km, but small-sized low-speed drone no need to shoot down at that range. Now we are striking such targets at a distance of 5–7 km, in the so-called near zone. Why then put so much gunpowder in a rocket, put such powerful engines? It is economically feasible to make a small rocket.
      In addition, we can supply four times as many such missiles to the Shell. This will increase combat performance by increasing the number of targets that can be hit with one ammunition .....


      (DESIGNER OF “PANTSIRA”: COMPLEX WORKED FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST MINI-UAVS https://tass.ru/interviews/7623815)
    6. Charik
      Charik 18 May 2020 20: 30 New
      0
      But is system C an impact complex?
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 18 May 2020 08: 26 New
    +6
    then it can strike even ... if I may say so, a commercial program.

    The program has already “eaten up” hundreds of billions of dollars, and therefore the manufacturer expects an increase in the volume of purchases of fighter jets both in the United States and in the allied countries. And if it suddenly turns out that ....


    Whatever it is, until then, as long as the US military budget is approximately 2,5 times the total expenditure budget of the Russian Federation, you should not worry about them.
    1. +5
      +5 18 May 2020 11: 01 New
      +1
      There is such a thing as purchasing power parity.
      The Americans themselves, the DIA, seemed to evaluate what our people were doing in the defense sphere, for the United States it would cost from 300 to 500 lard a year, in different years. The deputy headquarters cried that, net of personnel costs, the Pentagon had 300 lard bucks, and similar RF and PPP costs for the PPP - 150 lard Basques.
      Those. our spending is of course less than American times 2-2,5, but they are quite comparable ....
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 18 May 2020 12: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: 5-9
        There is such a thing as purchasing power parity.
        The Americans themselves, the DIA, seemed to evaluate what our people were doing in the defense sphere, for the United States it would cost from 300 to 500 lard a year, in different years. The deputy headquarters cried that, net of personnel costs, the Pentagon had 300 lard bucks, and similar RF and PPP costs for the PPP - 150 lard Basques.
        Those. our spending is of course less than American times 2-2,5, but they are quite comparable ....


        I apologize, but spending the Russian Federation on the military budget in 16 (sixteen!) times less than the same spending in the USA. They are not comparable in any indicator, alas ... hi
        1. +5
          +5 18 May 2020 12: 41 New
          0
          Try to understand what I wrote to you ...
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 18 May 2020 13: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: 5-9
            Try to understand what I wrote to you ...

            I tried my best, but apparently it’s not fate to comprehend me your great wisdom. Neither can I compare 750 billion and 46 billion.
            In any case, the United States is not worth worrying about. They have enough money in any situation. hi
            1. +5
              +5 18 May 2020 14: 56 New
              -3
              I can’t help you ... about what is the teaching staff even google?
    2. really
      really 18 May 2020 11: 12 New
      -7
      While Russia's main assets in US stocks, they are afraid of nothing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 18 May 2020 08: 28 New
    +4
    Indeed, if the stealth technology implemented on the F-500 turns out to be an open book for the S-35, then this may strike even not the F-35 prestige itself, but its commercial program, so to speak.

    Without considering the commercial part of the American stealth project, there are a lot of technical aspects of its implementation, the impact on which will bury the benefits of the program much more effectively than just seeing and shooting down individual aircraft!
    But the counteraction should also be complex, some air defense systems will not do here.
    Although the SAM itself has excellent performance characteristics and has no analogues, this is obvious. But, "eggs can be broken" in many ways, this must not be forgotten.
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  • Hto tama
    Hto tama 18 May 2020 08: 31 New
    +3
    Where does the author of the American edition have such unshakable confidence that only S-500 radars can see their fu-35 belay , our MO did not say anything about whether the S-400 radars see their "invisible", the fact that they were not shot down does not mean anything winked
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 18 May 2020 08: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Hto tama
      Where does the author of the American edition have such an unshakable confidence
      Duc known otkudova.
      Hiley, so to speak, like!
      Therefore - give me money!
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 18 May 2020 08: 42 New
      +4
      Of course they see, the question is with what range. In 1999, according to some P-18 radars (not upgraded in any way) attached to the S-125 division, the F-117 was detected from a distance of 25-27 km.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 May 2020 12: 19 New
        +2
        I saw a stealth IR optical device made in France, which
        intelligent Yugoslavs supplemented their S-125. wink but these are such trifles fellow
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 18 May 2020 12: 43 New
          0
          It wasn’t so sure, but it’s right such trifles, right?
          Thompson organized a non-resident advertisement for itself, only it was detected by its radar detection. The radar is very powerful, meter range. The declared radar equation does not contradict the declared range from the word in general ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 18 May 2020 08: 33 New
    0
    I always admire the mind of the inventors of such products.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 18 May 2020 08: 39 New
    +5
    I would hope that the capabilities of the S-500 against the F-35, as well as the capabilities of the F-35 against the S-500, will never be clarified in practice. Of course, there are disagreements between the USA and the Russian Federation, but none of them is worth the Third World War, because if it comes to an open conflict, it will not be the F-35 and the S-500 that will be decided, but the loaves will be vigorous. And to any Papuans who want to fight, neither the USA, nor the Russian Federation will sell them either one or the other, or anything like that.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 May 2020 08: 43 New
    -7
    The new generation of Russian missile defense S-500 boasts many best-in-class features.
    May he not brag. Just kicks the snot, so as not to climb. angry
    it may not even strike the F-35 prestige itself,
    And was he? Well, if only the Polish Papuans. request
  • HAM
    HAM 18 May 2020 08: 54 New
    +3
    "... The new generation of Russia's S-500 missile defense system boasts many best-in-class features ...."

    An article from the category: "... and the S-500 also has a flashlight ..."
    No one saw, but compared ....
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 May 2020 08: 54 New
    11
    Hoping for your invisibility only, this is the same as hoping only for air defense ..... at a certain moment they will see and bring down. F35 is not only invisible, there are still a lot of interesting solutions. The Americans, as I understood from the articles, are betting (and investing financially) in the UAV program, which will operate in a flock and together with tactical fighters. Overloading the brains of air defense systems and spending their missiles. That in a compartment with good intelligence, PP and tactics can give results.
    Therefore, you always need a comprehensive solution.
    1. +5
      +5 18 May 2020 11: 04 New
      -3
      Yes, UAVs are a trend ... only their price (large, impact) is high, so the number will not be so great.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 May 2020 14: 15 New
        +1
        Now, unfortunately, it is not a fact that we can make more anti-aircraft missiles than they are such UAVs and simulators
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 18 May 2020 09: 00 New
    +1
    One of the main questions asked in the West today in connection with the development of the S-500 by Russia is whether the S-500 will be able to detect and, if necessary, shoot down fifth-generation F-35 aircraft of various modifications


    Are they serious?
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 18 May 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    And if the suddenly it turns out that the S-500 "Prometheus" radars "see" the F-35 in any flight mode, if the complex is capable of intercepting missiles that are currently in use with American weapons, it will be Hit below the belt for the entire American defense industry, including the fifth-generation fighter program itself.

    And not suddenly. Oddly enough, this was known back in the USSR. Work to reduce radio signature and measures to detect subtle targets were carried out even then. The "godfather" of stealth technology, the Soviet theoretical physicist Pyotr Ufimtsev, even before his work in the USA, which significantly advanced them in the field of lowering EPR, explained back in the USSR how to quickly calculate EPR and (most importantly!) How to detect these very "invisible" objects if they were built ... So do not suddenly.
    In addition, the blow is not lower than the waist, but very even by the rules. Straight to the head. And the first was still in Yugoslavia, by the way.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 18 May 2020 09: 48 New
    -1
    Well ... the use of a phased array antenna with distributed control and other tricks is not our monopoly. Of course, the general degradation of the technosphere hit our opponents especially hard, since after the disappearance of the USSR their last global enemy disappeared. And in the absence of an enemy, capitalism naturally loses all of its already small advantages. In general, the engineers there are at an impasse. So what?
    It is enough to promise someone from the development team not 25 thousand a month, but a normal salary, and not our wonderful bosses, but a normal leadership, and you look - an analog will appear in the USA. True, judging by hypersound, our missiles will be significantly better, that is, faster. But this is also not for long!
    In general, weapons have remained advanced for years. And if everything is as in the description, it is necessary to build it forcefully and ... attack!
    We are now an ordinary capitalist country, which is struggling to impose a capitalist approach to life and Western values. So if we do not attack, they will devour us. Getting ready to rob, burn, kill ... everything is like our favorite teachers. Their model does not provide anything else.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 18 May 2020 09: 59 New
    -4
    Again empty water from Pushkovsky The National Interest.
    The main thing is at what distance he can detect the F35 - no, no.
    endless "if, if, if ..."
    And of course, scold stealth, mention SU.

    Here is the S-300 while in Syria in any way ....
    1. askort154
      askort154 18 May 2020 11: 25 New
      -4
      Max 1995 ....That S-300 is still in Syria ....

      A deaf person will not hear what a blind person says. The S-300 was delivered to Syria to tame the American "coalition". And he successfully completed his task.
      The Americans stopped, not only to inflict air strikes on Syria, but also to fly into its territory, without coordinating these flights with our "air base".
      The fact that Israel is vilely "hooligan" by striking from Lebanese airspace is another topic. It is not the S-300 that is needed here, but politicians.
      And the politics in Syria is a "mess" of 66 states:
      63 states "US coalition" + Israel + Iran + Russia. And only Russia should determine whose planes should shoot down the Syrian S-300.
      We are "friends" with Israel, with Iran and Turkey, like that. Therefore, the S-300 in Syria performs a purely psychological role than its direct one.
      Until Russia gives the command "front", the Syrian S-300 will remain in the shadows, conduct trainings at idle.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 May 2020 12: 25 New
        +3
        "The Americans have stopped, not only air strikes on Syria
        , but also fly into its territory, "///
        ----
        They fly into the eastern part of Syria, both before and now.
        It was split back in 2015.
        And Israel does not fly, by agreement with Russia, over Latakia and Idlib.
        Over the rest of the provinces - calmly.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 18 May 2020 12: 51 New
          +2
          And who will stop them, given that there is no air defense system from the word at all, and most of the territory of Syria is not visible .... The air defense has a purely focal character ...
        2. askort154
          askort154 18 May 2020 13: 09 New
          -2
          voyaka uh .... Fly into the eastern part of Syria, both before and now.
          It was split back in 2015.
          And Israel does not fly, by agreement with Russia, over Latakia and Idlib.
          Over the rest of the provinces - calmly.


          The US can no longer prevent the Russians in Syria, since Russia has actually established a closed zone above it. By blocking access to it by any aircraft using air defense systems (US military expert Jack Jacob).
          Russia's new military infrastructure in Syria, which includes air defense systems, de facto creates a no-fly zone.
          (NATO Commander-in-Chief in Europe, General Philip Breedlove).
          Who do you think I should believe more, them or warriors on in? No. hi
      2. Maks1995
        Maks1995 18 May 2020 17: 46 New
        +4
        These are all arguments of afterglow. Israel is bombing, and they are making excuses ...
        Like, he can be from abroad, and anti-aircraft guns down-and-down ... you can-down, you can-down ...
        And no rockets ... (I haven’t seen a single mention of the downed missiles here from the c300)

        And 2 years ago it was written, here in VO and everywhere - everything, kapets to everyone, From 300 will block everything ... it turns out, fig analysts. Read - and it will be the other way around.

        But even if, "Russia does not allow to be brought down," then F 35 "will not allow to disturb", and su 57 "will not give", etc.
        And the departure of F35, they wrote, is 2 times more expensive .... still "will not give" even more. For them, Turkey did the details! Our terrorist friend!
  • zwlad
    zwlad 18 May 2020 10: 33 New
    -2
    Other parameters of the aircraft are much more important, including its maneuverability, which is determined including its engines.

    Don’t tell me, just maneuverability is currently needed only for missile defense and for close combat (which you still need to live to see). The most important thing is that I saw it first, launched the rocket first, which means we need a better radar and more long-range weapon systems.
    1. +5
      +5 18 May 2020 11: 34 New
      +1
      Everything is needed .... a radar-saw-launched rocket ... the United States came to Vietnam with this .... we remember how it ended
      and if the enemy dodged, interfered, is also a stealth and a not very powerful ARLGSN rocket did not capture him?
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 18 May 2020 11: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: 5-9
        The United States came to Vietnam with such .... remember what ended

        The approximate statistics on the contribution of air defense and fighter aviation to the defeat of the American air armada are as follows:
        - fighter aircraft shot down 305 American aircraft (9%);
        - SAM - 1046 (31%);
        - anti-aircraft artillery - 2024 (60%).
        something like
        1. +5
          +5 18 May 2020 12: 00 New
          -3
          What does this have to do with it? the Americans buried the BVB and there weren’t even guns on the new models, but the old Mig-19 convinced them only with guns that the concept was wrong :)
          1. zwlad
            zwlad 18 May 2020 12: 33 New
            +2
            I do not argue that the gun at that time was relevant. But now the gun is the weapon of last chance. And super-maneuverability is very good, but only if electronics will lag behind generations, then no super-maneuverability will save. This is not the main thing in modern aviation. This is more of a marketing ploy, all other things being equal.
            And I cited the numbers to prove that in that war, the main role was played not by aircraft guns but by ground-based missiles and artillery.
            And yes, you need everything of the best quality, so that the Yankees are envious.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 18 May 2020 11: 32 New
    -3
    The F-35 itself copes well with the mission to destroy the reputation of the US military-industrial complex.
  • qobnvmog
    qobnvmog 18 May 2020 12: 38 New
    +1
    Wake up when the six hundredth ride. Toned. Colors Lunar Blue metallic.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 18 May 2020 12: 57 New
    +8
    Hello to the triumphs.
    Of course, it is nice to be proud of the achievements of domestic science and technology, but in this case, be proud of what is not yet and it is not known when it will be somewhat premature.
    In addition, let's not forget that both the C400 and C500 are based on the C300 air defense system and are just the next stages in the development of the well-known (and well known and potential enemy) S300 air defense system. In any case, both the C300 and C400 use almost the same radars that were used in the C300, naturally somewhat modified in terms of software and hardware.
    Yes, all of these air defense systems have the ability to deal with a limited number of ballistic targets, but this requires a change in the elevated viewing area of ​​the standard radars, and this in turn worsens the effectiveness of the air defense systems for aerodynamic targets, especially for low-flying ones.

    The stake on more "long-range" missiles supposedly capable of working on targets outside the radio horizon is also a thing in itself, tk. when a missile defense system leaves the radio horizon, it will have to rely solely on the ability of its seeker to detect and track air targets, as well as aim at them, and this ability, alas, is not nearly comparable to the ability of a ground-based radar complex to perform the same processes. All the same, placing radars with a more or less decent antenna aperture on missiles, as well as effective means of processing radar images, is difficult (if not impossible) and expensive.
    In addition, the constantly operating in flight radar GSN missile launcher is easily detected by means of warning aircraft pilots about an attack by missiles, and also makes missiles quite an easy target for anti-radar missiles and enemy electronic warfare.

    It can be noted that at one time the developers of the S300 air defense system, together with the developers of the air defense automatic control system, including the widely known nowadays KP air defense missile system "Polyana D4", developed algorithms for the joint control of the air defense system, which made it possible to minimize the radiation time of the air defense missile system a high degree of surprise in intercepting air targets (so-called offhand shooting). With the use of long-range missiles, such surprise is not achieved, as, indeed, the ability to track the effectiveness of interception. Therefore, the cries of foreign experts that "with the advent of the C500, everything was gone" are mainly intended not for the Russian reader, but for the compassionate and illiterate US senators who control the allocation of funds for the development and purchase of new weapons.

    Add a couple of cents to the above. It may be enough to consider yourself smarter than Americans and other different Swedes. There are also enough smart guys who have repeatedly proved the ability to create masterpieces of technology, including military.

    And their military is not so stupid as to send their pilots to slaughter if they are in real danger. Of course, there are situations when you have to perform BZ, risking your life, but such situations happen to everyone, not just Americans. By the way, the well-known case of the shooting down of the only F117 over the former Yugoslavia is just one example, when the F177 pilot was sent to perform the BZ without providing the usual cover for this F117 with aircraft of other types, including aircraft equipped with electronic warfare systems. This incident, however, was enough for the Americans to rethink their attitude to stealth technologies, but they did not abandon the technologies themselves, just as they did not abandon them in other countries, including Russia. It's just that in addition to these technologies, stealth aircraft began to be equipped with quite decent weapon systems, and each type of such aircraft was assigned a clearly limited range of combat missions. For example, the F35 is never going to be used for short-range maneuverable air battles. For this, the States have other aircraft.

    Of course, with the F35, the States seriously burst, overestimating its capabilities and underestimating all the difficulties, but they also managed to partially compensate for this span by attaching many countries to the process of creating F35 and thereby reducing their costs. Marketing is also marketing in Africa. And it is not at all a sin for Russian marketers to learn marketing from their sworn "friends". I will not forget how the USSR flew at one time with the sale of its fighters (in my MIG29) to the Finns, unable to offer their delivery in combination with everything necessary for their use and maintenance. And the Americans offered this, and as a result the Finns bought more expensive F18.

    And the last thing. Using stealth technology does not mean creating an invisible aircraft. The purpose of using such technologies is to reduce the likelihood of detection and stable tracking of aircraft with such technologies by means of detection of various types that a potential adversary has.
    1. Arkon
      Arkon 19 May 2020 20: 07 New
      0
      Quote: gregor6549
      Of course, with the F35, the States seriously collapsed, overestimating its capabilities and underestimating all the difficulties, but they managed to partially compensate for this span by attaching many countries to the process of creating the F35 and thereby reducing their costs.


      I never thought that the shortcomings of military equipment can be compensated for by "successful marketing". This is precisely the most important discovery of the Americans.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 18 May 2020 14: 35 New
    -1
    = One of the main questions that are being asked today in the West in connection with the development of the S-500 by Russia is whether the S-500 can detect and, if necessary, shoot down fifth-generation F-35 aircraft of various modifications. =
    Those. the author wants to say that the S-400 is not able to detect and shoot down the Fi-35?
  • Pavel Fedorov
    Pavel Fedorov 18 May 2020 15: 07 New
    -1
    It's like with a new tank ..... neither! The country is under occupation. For a long time, the Kremlin’s managerial Zionist Codla has been operating the West ..... they will sell this complex. And why should they fight with their own?
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 19 May 2020 05: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Pavel Fedorov
      For a long time all the west Kremlin managerial Zionist coder

      And who voted for this Kodlu in the last election? Zionists from Israel at gunpoint Uzi forced?
  • Old26
    Old26 18 May 2020 16: 30 New
    +2
    It is assumed that the complex is capable of deploying anti-ballistic missiles at 600 kilometers, which is 200 kilometers more than the formidable S-400.

    The author of the bleached overeat? Or did mushrooms taste inedible? Since when is the S-400 able to use ballistic missiles at a range of 400 km, and the S-500 at 600 km? This is the stated aerodynamic range

    Quote: Vita VKO
    doesn’t correlate with the fact that now in Russia only 2 (two!) regions have an anti-missile umbrella, i.e. there will be an increase in the effectiveness of the fire capabilities of the ABM system by almost 5 times.

    I'm sorry, Vitaly, but where did the number two come from? Which TWO regions have a missile defense umbrella. Even the Moscow missile defense zone and that is now not in full force. Long-range missiles are withdrawn from service, and their replacement for weapons has not yet been delivered

    Quote: venik
    In fact, the S-500, as I understand it, is a complex of ultra-long interception (according to some reports - 600 km or more). And they, by definition, cannot be massive! And they are planned not to REPLACE S-400, but in ADDITION to ...! As an element of the echelon air defense / missile defense.

    That's right, namesake. But we forget only one thing. That a 600 km range is an interception range AERODYNAMIC GOALSbut not at all ballistic. And we forget about it and you can often hear that this complex will launch missiles at a distance of 600 km.
    Both S-300 and S-400 are capable of intercepting ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles with a firing range of 3500 km 60-75 km from the launch site of these missiles. And the reach in height is about 30-35 km. I do not think that the missile defense component will be much larger. The missiles that position as part of this complex are often positioned as anti-satellite (via satellites in low orbit)

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  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 18 May 2020 16: 34 New
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    The new generation of Russian missile defense S-500 boasts many best-in-class features.
    It is assumed that the complex is capable of deploying anti-ballistic missiles at 600 kilometers, which is 200 kilometers more than the formidable S-400

    The S-500 is, of course, a good system (for it is based on the same solutions as the 300/400), but you should not attribute fabulous opportunities to it.
    600 km - the estimated range of work on aerodynamic targets. On ballistic it is always lower, presumably - 200 km.
    By the way, for the same S-400, the aerodynamic and ballistic ranges are 380 and 60 km, respectively
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 18 May 2020 16: 45 New
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    Mark Episkopos, columnist for The National Interest, an American publication, called the data on the imminent adoption of the S-500 in service in Russia “bad news for NATO”

    News from The National Interest portal should be marked with a special marker, so as not to waste time on them
  • Federal1
    Federal1 18 May 2020 17: 45 New
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    another empty chatter, it wasn’t worth the couple of minutes I read. As it will be, you will bawl until it’s the next parade-ostentatious dummy, like the S-300 and S-400, who shot down nothing and regularly miss denticles and dump a bunch of excuses in Syria. Bullshit and bullshit ... Who generally buys this propaganda? A pair of crazy pennies?
    1. Charik
      Charik 18 May 2020 20: 52 New
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      A dummy in the cha grows out of the neck, if these systems couldn’t bring anything down, they wouldn’t be in service
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 19 May 2020 11: 41 New
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      No need to drive on "pence", such youngsters as you can easily give retirees a head start in terms of lightweight madness. And the article is written in the style of promoting the achievements of the regime, which in reality do not exist. Soviet developments will end and then Putin and Medvedev will have nothing to be proud of. This is not money for you to throw to the left to the right of your surroundings.
      Here a systematic approach is needed, here market logic does not work from the word in any way.
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 18 May 2020 19: 13 New
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    And with the S-400 and S-300, it’s like they should fight these and the S-500 are more difficult tasks
  • Charik
    Charik 18 May 2020 20: 07 New
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    S-500 hahaha flight range, flying C500
  • Charik
    Charik 18 May 2020 20: 14 New
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    So you decide (amer.experts) -development or ambulance
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 18 May 2020 21: 10 New
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    How tired of these bravado articles and statements of amateurs "who have no analogs in the world"! One chatter and tales in the ears. When they already remember all these quacks - that only fighting, a real war will show who is who and who is better, then, more precisely. It's just disgusting and disgusting from all this paranoid bravado. Who are we trying to scare with these quacking articles? USA? Yes, they side. Pilots of their F-35? I'll give them all the more a side. The S-500 will never be exported in the coming years. And if they become in service with Russia, so what? Whom will they shoot down? Or will the F-35s make their way to Moscow and the Kremlin in the coming years? How much bullshit can you carry in an article on the internet and on TV? In reality, I have a friend in Germany, a lover of everything military, he constantly laughs with our "unparalleled in the world" superwunderwolf. Which, for some reason, find themselves in hostilities and everything is complete zero. They are brought down, destroyed, captured. And then a thousand fairy tales of excuses - sometimes not in skillful hands, sometimes there is no cover, then a fly got into the eye, then an asteroid hit Mars. Already tired of watching and reading this circus.
  • unhappy
    unhappy 19 May 2020 08: 15 New
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    The best in the world of air defense is the presence of strategic missile forces.
    The question is closed.
  • Vanya Tikhiy
    Vanya Tikhiy 19 May 2020 13: 50 New
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    And these F-35 jackals from the hole of the VSA will be knocked down and the outer space will be taken out. Well, that jackal offspring from the hole of the VSA crap ..... here and sit in your shit until tepid! The truth is you stink for the whole WORLD!
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 19 May 2020 20: 28 New
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    Khrushchev well done !!! He threw a trump card on air defense, and not on aircraft carriers, in many ways he profiled as a master. But our defense and space are the coolest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
  • Recoil
    Recoil 20 May 2020 22: 23 New
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    what is the debate about?
    all TTX are closed, the complex is not mass-produced.
    what are you arguing about, balabol?
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 May 2020 17: 53 New
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    the words and the very fact of the imminent appearance of the latest air defense systems in the Russian Armed Forces aroused concern in NATO

    I can directly see how such a NATO general sits in the morning and, as usual, looks at Russia24. And then this news. And he has a straight cup of coffee from his hands - bam to the floor - and to smithereens!
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