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Modernization of Soviet tanks: professional and collective farm

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Modernization of Soviet tanks: professional and collective farm

Today, when the situation in the world is extremely tense and only the lazy does not speak about the possibility of starting a new world war, there was talk about the shortsightedness of our military, about the stupidity of our designers, who "go the old way" by creating new armored vehicles, rather than modernizing already available tank fleet.


Уже несколько раз читал материалы о том, что широко разрекламированный Т-14 оказался пшиком. В стране нет денег и поэтому эта машина никогда не будет производиться серийно. При этом в пример нам опять приводят страны Запада. Там как раз и занимаются постоянной модернизацией своих боевых машин. Причем, авторов таких публикаций совершенно не смущает тот факт, что в боевой обстановке, когда все новшества проверяются боем, модернизированные машины горят за милую душу.

Supporters of such ideas pay particular attention to the modernization of our old tanksof which there are a huge number in the countries of the former socialist camp and which in some countries were even issued under the license of the USSR.

Why upgrade old tanks


Увы, но для большинства стран мира, даже с довольно развитой экономикой, разработка и производство новых машин задача не всегда посильная. Современная машина требует огромных вложений уже на начальном этапе проектирования. А создание новых производств вообще фантастика. Но очень хочется иметь машины, способные выполнять задачи на поле боя сегодня. 

This is one of the reasons why designers and engineers are tasked with improving the combat properties of existing tanks.

Another reason for modernization is the variety of equipment that is in service with its own army. By the way, it was this reason that became the engine of the first modernizations of our tanks. Most experts know that the Israelis were the first to start such modernization, who after the 1967 war received huge trophies, including several hundred Soviet T-54/55 and T-62.

To let such an amount of military vehicles “under the knife” is stupid. Therefore, the decision to standardize weapons, including tanks, looks quite logical. And the USSR at that time was not very keen to provide captured tanks with spare parts and ammunition for tank guns.

There is another reason that looks strange, but this reason is an incentive for many upgrades. Modern combat vehicles, which in developed countries look like an anachronism, have excessive combat capabilities. These machines are intended for use by specialists who need to be trained long enough.

Moreover, the matter is not only about representatives of some wild African tribes, for whom even a tractor is exotic. We are talking about people who fit perfectly into the modern world. Remember history Great Patriotic War? When a tractor driver was drafted into the army and after a short training, the tank units received a tank driver or self-propelled guns.

Сегодня «тракторист» сможет управлять танком, но вот пользоваться всем оборудованием боевой машины вряд ли. Те, кто прошел службу в Советской армии да и сегодня, прекрасно помнят красную кнопку с надписью ПАЗ, про которую вроде бы все известно, но нажимать которую довелось единицам. Есть и есть. Но трогать нельзя иначе командир голову снимет. А таких кнопок, рычажков, краников, маховичков в танке достаточно.

Well-modernized tanks become different vehicles


You can talk about good, professional upgrades for a long time. In this article I do not set myself the task of telling about this side of the issue. Almost all models of Soviet military vehicles were modernized. Moreover, in some cases, the cars really became different.

Чтобы не быть голословным, приведу пример модернизации «чемпиона» американского рейтинга (по версии журнала NI) Т-55 в Израиле. Опять же просто потому, что израильтяне сделали это первыми. 

Сразу прошу прощения у специалистов за неполное перечисление модернизации израильской машины. Итак, в 1984 году израильтяне впервые показали танк «S». Внешне узнать в этой машине Т-55 сложно. Изменение башни, навесы на корпус, множество дополнительных приборов на броне, ящики для хранения вещей экипажа, приваренные к башне, ствол пушки с теплозащитой...Однако это он, старичок Т-55. 

Новый танк получил новую систему управления огнем «Матадор», которую разработала израильская фирма "Элбит". Был установлен американский двухплоскостной стабилизатор вооружений фирмы Кадиллак Гэйдж. С "Меркавы" была перенесена система пожаротушения «Халон». Установлены другие, натовского образца, радиостанции.

The power plant was replaced earlier and tested on Ti-67 machines (modernization of the T-54). The American diesel 8V-71T was used.

Более того, усилено вооружение и защита танка. Пушка танка стала тоже американской. 105-мм американское нарезное орудие М-68 (американская версия английской пушки  L7). Установлены пулеметы «Браунинг». Слева от башни установили 60-мм миномет. Кроме этого, танк оснастили элементами динамической защиты «Блайзер».

Agree, this modernization really significantly increased the combat power of the tank. 

The collective farm is voluntary


Many readers today laughingly recall the expression commonly used in the USSR - “Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR”. Today, given the state of agriculture in a neighboring state, it looks really funny. But as citizens of the USSR, we well remember this slogan. The situation is similar in tank building. True, this concerns not only Ukraine, but also several countries of the former socialist camp.

The fact is that our main tank T-72 was the main one in these countries. Naturally, enterprises were created there that produced this car or assembled tanks from Soviet components. 

После развала СССР и победного шествия капитализма по Восточной Европе все эти заводы начали самостоятельное производство и модернизацию советских Т-72. Танки Т-72 официально производились в Польше, Чехословакии и Югославии.

Рассказывать подробно о том, что получилось долго. Да и не очень интересно. Просто потому, что оказалось, что танк это довольно сложная машина, в которой все агрегаты взаимосвязаны и эффективны только в сборе. Поэтому просто назову машины, которые появились в конце 20-начале 21 века на базе Т-72.

Poland. The most interesting tank is the PT-71 Twards. Created with active cooperation with Western companies. The machine is interesting in that it uses two engine options at once. 850-strong and 1000-strong. However, a 1000-horsepower diesel engine was recognized as unnecessary and the Poles settled on an 850-horsepower one.

Slovakia. After the collapse of Czechoslovakia, problems began at the ZTS factory in the Slovak city of Tručany. However, Western firms helped. In particular, the French and Dutch. In 1994, the Slovaks showed their own T-72 M2 "Modern". The car looks great due to the fact that containers with 20 mm automatic guns are installed on the sides of the hull.

Yugoslavia. The Yugoslav T-72 was originally equipped with its own fire control system and therefore was produced under its own "name" -T-84. The release of tanks involved firm Dzhuro Dzhakovich. The most interesting example of the T-84 is a car with reinforced armor, which has been adopted by Croatia under the T-95 Degman index.

The most unusual T-72 came from Romania. I do not want to say anything about local traditions, but this is a country that decided to just steal the T-72 and create its own car on its basis. Remember the concept of "gypsy gold"? The Romanian T-72 is precisely this “gold”. TR-125 (that's what the Romanian tank is called) for some reason did not fit on 6 road wheels. Therefore, this tank is an original, 7-roller.

India. The long-standing love of this country to buy equipment along with the technologies of its production allowed to create its own tank factory in Avadi. The Indian tank is almost no different from the Soviet T-72M1. However, modernization continues.

Ukraine will wipe the nose of Russia ...


Well, the most interesting option for us to modernize the T-72 is of course Ukraine. For some reason, we decided that the tank crisis in this country began after 2014. But this is far from the case. The crisis began exactly when the USSR collapsed.

And the understanding that the scientific and technical potential of Ukrainian design thought is not enough not only for the production of new vehicles, but for the modernization of old ones, it was clear to the Kharkov Tank Plant specialists back in the 90s of the last century.

For some reason, we forgot 1999, when Kharkiv presented the modernized T-5 MI72 at the 1th International Exhibition of Arms and Technology, created in active cooperation with the French and Czechs. And the car was worth inspecting. At least because of the 1000-horsepower diesel engine and the Sawan-15 self-propelled guns.

The project "stalled" simply because for the real interest of buyers in this tank it was necessary to completely change the tower. The reason is a carousel automatic loader, which performed poorly in the Chechen war. To install the western version of the MOH, it is necessary to increase the tower at the back. And this, automatically, violates the alignment of the machine and its performance characteristics.

Currently, the modernization of tanks for environmental protection is more "collective" in nature.



Tank builders just look at what the front-line soldiers do in Donbass and implement these inventions at the factory. That's why Ukrainian tanks in the Donbass look so exotic.

Последним детищем танкостроителей стал Т-72АМТ. Кстати, разговоры об этом чудо-танке ведутся аж с 2017 года. Ничего особенного танк из себя не представляет. Наверное, кроме двигателя. 1000-сильный дизель. Судя по фото, которое опубликовано украинскими СМИ, самое интересное в этой машине это зеркала заднего вида и видеокамеры на корме…

Upgrade or create new


I am opposed to the economic approach to the defense of the state. “It’s better to give ice cream to grandfathers than to invent a new tank or plane” for me is unacceptable. Let’s do this, we’ll get the chance of not finding grandfather at all after the bombing. It is necessary to save, but not in what the life of the state and the life of citizens of the state depend on.

Someone doubts that the modernization of the T-72, which is currently being carried out in the Russian army, is a necessary measure. Does anyone have doubts that the T-14 is better than the T-72? Maybe someone thinks that our main tank can be “brought” to “Almaty”?

The questions are stupid. It is clear that the answers to these questions are unequivocally the same. A new tank is better. But here supporters of "ice cream for grandfathers" and the military of other specialties come into play. Everyone needs money now. And the capsule of the state is not rubber. 

The resource of any tank, including in matters of modernization, is limited. You can endlessly change sights, thermal imagers, attachments, but the car will not improve much from this. And then, in the first battle, we will see many bonfires to which our people will die. 

Today we are in a rather difficult situation. On the one hand, China has one and a half billion people. On the other hand, the EU, the USA. And we are with 145-147 million. So do not "give birth to women more" in which case. Our one will cost five not ours at least.

Not a single tank, not a single aircraft, not a single gun is worth as much as human life is worth.
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  1. donavi49
    donavi49 18 May 2020 17: 08 New
    +8
    Breaking news. Al-Watiyah has fallen. The main stronghold of Haftar in the west of the country is captured by the PNS and the Turks. Among the trophies is the Shell of the UAE. Well, a lot of loot. They fled lightly, but they were thinned out with UAVs, it seems that they even burned the carapace on the exit.


    Well, a photo from the base.



    1. alone
      alone 18 May 2020 17: 14 New
      +7
      In addition to all this, a bunch of all kinds of ammunition, several tanks and MLRS Grad, up to 40 pickups with weapons, a huge amount of small arms .. Mi-24, which is pictured, and several fighters that are half-dismantled ..
      P.S .. I think Haftar can say goodbye to Western Libya .. The air base was the most important object of Haftar ..
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 18 May 2020 17: 18 New
        +2
        Arabs do not trust modern technology. They’ll love it anyway. Haftar was no exception. The shell of the UAE will now be Turkish. It is good if Russian PMCs are not kneaded.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 18 May 2020 19: 15 New
          +8
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Arabs do not trust modern technology. They’ll love it anyway. Haftar was no exception. The shell of the UAE will now be Turkish. It is good if Russian PMCs are not kneaded.

          Syrians and Egyptians are also Arabs. Within the framework of the built system and with good training, quite formidable fighters. And Jordanians since the 40s have been famous for their highly trained infantry and artillery.
          1. alone
            alone 18 May 2020 22: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Syrians and Egyptians are also Arabs. Within the framework of the built system and with good training, quite formidable fighters. And Jordanians since the 40s have been famous for their highly trained infantry and artillery.

            Hi Aron ... That's right ... Jordanians are serious rivals ...
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 18 May 2020 17: 18 New
        +6
        There, by the way, sly Grads, such as a vampire for the Saudis.


        Well, they took a lot of trash, all of Twitter is full of loot.
        1. alone
          alone 18 May 2020 17: 23 New
          +8
          Quote: donavi49
          There, by the way, sly Grads, such as a vampire for the Saudis.

          In my opinion they are similar to Czech RM-70s ... And the chassis in my opinion TATRA
      3. Civil
        Civil 18 May 2020 20: 23 New
        +1
        Well, they make armor, so as money comes in, there will be a modernization.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 May 2020 17: 44 New
    17
    Честно, ожидал от статьи большего. Название то многообещающее, а на проверку - минимум фото, галопом по Европах, "пнуть" соседей пару раз, порассуждать что лучше и... И все.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 18 May 2020 19: 46 New
      +3
      Agree to 100%
  3. Doctor
    Doctor 18 May 2020 18: 54 New
    +9
    Today, given the state of agriculture in a neighboring state, it looks really funny.

    Take your time to laugh.

    Production in ABSOLUTE figures.

    Wheat - 9th place in the world.
    Corn - 5th place.
    Sunflower oil - 1 place.
    Potato - 4th place.
    Honey - 5th place (1 in Europe).

    And if you count per capita ...

    What do you want, a third of arable land in Europe, the average yield is 1,5 times higher than ours, the leading export industry.
    1. Fishery
      Fishery 18 May 2020 19: 08 New
      +6
      the author of the article apparently wrote for the sake of this passage))))
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 18 May 2020 19: 30 New
        +5
        the author of the article apparently wrote for the sake of this passage))))

        I mean that in the first place there is no need to deceive ourselves, Bandera people themselves will not die out of starvation, and secondly we have something to fight for in the east.
    2. RoTTor
      RoTTor 18 May 2020 23: 10 New
      -5
      The only REAL criterion is domestic prices.
      None of the super-duper record crops in Ukraine has reduced the price of food there for a penny.
      The majority of the native population, including children, have not received a minimally complete diet for many years.
      Отсутствие ряда продуктов, наряду с туземным "образованием" - фактор резкого и очевидного снижения умственных способностей.

      The most patriotic zapadentsy there, taking advantage of the privileges of the inhabitants of the borderland, bought all the grubs exclusively in Poland, but they taught the whole country how to love Nenko
    3. user1212
      user1212 19 May 2020 02: 06 New
      +4
      Maybe a fake, of course, there are a lot of them now, but how does your information beat such a photo?
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 19 May 2020 10: 12 New
        +7
        Maybe a fake, of course, there are a lot of them now, but how does your information beat such a photo?

        Yes, everything is cheaper there, the standard of living is lower, purchasing power is also lower.
        Belgorod regularly travels to Kharkiv for purchases, now the truth is smaller than before.

        Average prices in Kharkov in May. Multiply by 2,76.

        1. user1212
          user1212 19 May 2020 11: 07 New
          0
          http://mysupermarket.org.ua/index.php?myr_shop=atb&id=494&cat=494&name=494
          17-24 UAH
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 19 May 2020 11: 09 New
            +4
            Maybe a fake, of course, there are a lot of them now, but how does your information beat such a photo?

            Supermarkets Azerbaijan washed and we have 180 r / kg.
            I do not abstractly argue, I KNOW, I just go there myself regularly.
            1. user1212
              user1212 19 May 2020 11: 13 New
              -2
              I really mind request
              Вопрос ведь не в цене на картофель, а в сравнении египетской и украинской картошки. Я напомню мы тут о "аграрной сверхдержаве" говорим smile
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              2. Doctor
                Doctor 19 May 2020 12: 13 New
                +7
                Am I against request
                Вопрос ведь не в цене на картофель, а в сравнении египетской и украинской картошки. Я напомню мы тут о "аграрной сверхдержаве" говорим smile


                Actually about tanks. And there, too, things are not so terrible, as the author writes. I think everyone remembers where the T-34 was created.

                As for the agrarian superpowers, here is a comparative analysis of Russia / Ukraine in absolute numbers for 2019.
                The first column of everything is produced, through flash - per capita.

                Wheat:
                Russia 86 million tons / 598 thousand
                Ukraine 26 million tons / 634 thousand

                Corn
                Russia 11,7 million tons / 80 thousand
                Ukraine 31,0 million tons / 756 thousand

                Sunflower oil
                Russia 5,1 million tons / 35 thousand
                Ukraine 6,6 million tons / 160 thousand (1st place in the world)

                Potatoes
                Russia 30 million tons / 206 thousand
                Ukraine 22 million tons / 536 thousand

                This is not to praise Ukraine, but to the fact that according to the author there is almost Nigeria there.
                Many readers today laughingly recall the expression commonly used in the USSR - “Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR”. Today, given the state of agriculture in a neighboring state, it looks really funny.
                1. user1212
                  user1212 19 May 2020 14: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Ukraine 6,6 million tons / 160 thousand (1st place in the world)

                  The first of two? I’ll draw your attention to the fact that in TWO countries in the world in sunflower oil production (more than 1 million)
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 19 May 2020 15: 04 New
                    +1
                    The first of two? I’ll draw your attention to the fact that in TWO countries in the world in sunflower oil production (more than 1 million)

                    Four, if you count the EU for one.
                    I took data from APK INFORM
                    https://www.apk-inform.com/ru/exclusive/topic/1506275



                    In sunflower, Russia and Ukraine 59% of world production.
                2. Nick
                  Nick 20 May 2020 03: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Wheat:
                  Russia 86 million tons / 598 thousand
                  Ukraine 26 million tons / 634 thousand

                  According to the Ukrainian HB portal, the grain harvest in Ukraine amounted to 74,3 million tons. In Russia, the grain harvest amounted to 120,6 million tons.
                  1. user1212
                    user1212 20 May 2020 03: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nick
                    According to the Ukrainian portal HB the grain harvest

                    Not only wheat belongs to cereals
                3. Eug
                  Eug 22 May 2020 06: 23 New
                  0
                  Agriculture is growing - but a lot of chemistry and oilseeds are draining heavily of land, industry is sliding on the one hand to primitivism (mesh metal painted fences and dryers for elevators are considered high-tech products), on the other hand, the growth of IT companies is very serious. I don’t agree with everything at prices; normal tomatoes are cheaper than 50 and I don’t know cheese cheaper than 200. And those tomatoes that are 32 in a supermarket high buy enemies.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 18 May 2020 19: 54 New
    +4
    I am opposed to the economic approach to the defense of the state. “It’s better to give ice cream to grandfathers than to invent a new tank or plane” for me is unacceptable.
    But also that to tear, too, is nothing good. The T-14 has not yet been put into service, it costs a lot of money, and what is more important is not relevant, because it is redundant against the background of other countries! And one could also agree with the author about the haste in adopting and the mass production of the T-14, if there weren’t nuclear weapons as the main deterrent against the enemies of Russia. There is such a weapon and enough, and under its cover, and Armata can slowly run in and thoughtfully produce.
  5. V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 18 May 2020 20: 11 New
    15
    Here is the Iranian version of the T-72 Carrar.

    Here's a Croatian one. M-84D Tower Electric Drives, RRAK Dynamic Defense. thermal imagers, LAHAT anti-tank systems and the LIRD-4B laser warning system.

    T-72 Aslan (Israel-Azerbaijan). The new SLA, jeepies, your system is alien. thermal imagers and dynamic protection

    Polish Twards. New dynamic protection. Electronic stabilizer (shows those state or inability to aim effectively, new SLA, various sensors (1993 tank)

    But the Russian T-72B3 with holes in the protection of the tower))

    and where is the collective farm modernization, and where is the budget cut-a question))))
  6. bar
    bar 18 May 2020 20: 23 New
    +6
    Strange article. One side
    modernization really significantly increased the combat power of the tank.

    On the other hand
    You can endlessly change sights, thermal imagers, attachments, but the car will not improve much from this. And then, in the first battle, we will see many bonfires to which our people will die.

    What is the conclusion? Normal modernization can only be obtained by the Jews, can the others not start?
  7. Sova
    Sova 18 May 2020 20: 55 New
    +1
    "прекрасно помнят красную кнопку с надписью ПАЗ" сильно далёк от этого.Смотрел в инете не нашел информации,что за такая кнопка "нажимать которую довелось единицам" ?
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY 18 May 2020 21: 08 New
      0
      The system of collective radiation, chemical and biological protection.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 May 2020 11: 30 New
        0
        Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
        The system of collective radiation, chemical and biological protection.

        Is it the one that shuts down the engine, seals the MTO, stops the tower and turns on the FVU to boost?

        I read the recollections of the liquidator of the Chernobyl accident that at IMR-2 this system (more precisely, its automatic responses) spoiled the lives of the crews during deactivation at the reactor.
        "Формально командиром машины является оператор, но в той ситуации главным был мехвод, так как приходилось работать бульдозерным оборудованием, кроме того блоки управления систем КЗ и ОПВТ находятся у него же". Дело в том, что система КЗ (коллективной защиты) срабатывала по команде «А» — атом! При вспышке ядерного взрыва автоматика выключает нагнетатель приблизительно на 15 секунд, глушит двигатель, ставит машину на тормоз, закрывает жалюзи, входные отверстия для нагнетателя и газоанализатора и т.д. (читали выше). Когда пройдет ударная волна (за эти 15 секунд), тогда открываются отверстия газоанализатора и нагнетателя, нагнетатель запускается, а все тяги (топливного насоса высокого давления, тормозов, жалюзи) получают возможность включиться для нормальной эксплуатации. "Это при ядерном взрыве, — пишет В. Мединский,- когда такой поток кратковременный. Но тут-то взрыва нет! Поток такой мощности продолжает своё воздействие, и ждать когда всё придёт в норму можно до бесконечности. Машина заглушена (да ещё и не одна, а по очереди все)! И здесь на первое место выходит квалификация механика-водителя. Сообразить переключиться на блоке управления ОПВТ (есть там хитрый такой переключатель «ОПВТ-КЗ»), а не запаниковать, соединить все тяги, запустить движок машины и нагнетатель и спокойно продолжить работать может только подготовленный человек".
  8. thekhohol
    thekhohol 19 May 2020 00: 40 New
    -6
    Quote: Arzt
    Sunflower oil - 1 place.

    Found something to brag about. That they kill the earth ahead of the rest.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 19 May 2020 19: 44 New
      +3
      You have thrown cons. I think most do not know how sunflower affects the fertile layer. Explain to people better.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 May 2020 20: 17 New
        +1
        Every seven years, you need to give the earth rest. Then everything is ok.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 19 May 2020 21: 17 New
          0
          And how long should the rest last?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 19 May 2020 21: 18 New
            +1
            One year
            No more
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 20 May 2020 12: 23 New
              0
              Apparently depends on the source soil. As I know, rest is given every fourth year.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 May 2020 13: 17 New
                0
                Seventh - even on chernozem, even on sand with clay
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 19 May 2020 07: 13 New
    -1
    . rear view mirrors
    And no one thought of a spoiler and a skylight in the ceiling? And LED strip under the bottom. Handsomely.
  10. Karaul73
    Karaul73 19 May 2020 13: 18 New
    +3
    Well, without Ukraine and its tanks! Soon, for her mere mention of the order will need to be distributed. What is the article about? So to upgrade or not old tanks? To argue that the T-14 is much better than old tanks is pointless. Better, and in the first reviews, much. But where to get money for their mass production? After all, it is not necessary to defend a single country with a tank. Everything is needed, from socks to new nuclear weapons carriers. And the pocket is not bottomless. If less beloved friends and newly-made heroes of labor were stealing less, then they would also take more models of new equipment into service.
  11. Normal ok
    Normal ok 19 May 2020 15: 57 New
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    Many readers today laughingly recall the expression commonly used in the USSR - “Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR”. Today, given the state of agriculture in a neighboring state, it looks really funny.

    The author’s ignorance looks ridiculous. For Ukraine at the end of 2019 one of the Top 5 world exporters of grain crops (before that it was in 6th place). I did not read further, because clearly, the author’s goal is not an objective analysis, but throwing litter of non-brothers.
    P.S. learn materiel.
  12. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 May 2020 10: 04 New
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    Remember the history of World War II? When a tractor driver was drafted into the army and after a short training, the tank units received a tank driver or self-propelled guns.


    Unlike a tractor driver, a mechanical driver should be able to repair the tank, and with a little training it is impossible to make a mechanical driver of a tractor driver. In TT, officers could have been mechanically driven.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 May 2020 11: 38 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      Unlike a tractor driver, a mechanical driver should be able to repair the tank, and with a little training it is impossible to make a mechanical driver of a tractor driver.

      Not only repair, but also accurately determine tank malfunctions in order to make a decision - to pull it on as it is, make repairs by the crew, or drive / tow on SPAM.
      No wonder his position was called a driver, and mechanic was in first place. smile
  13. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 May 2020 10: 17 New
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    The reason is a carousel automatic loader, which performed poorly in the Chechen war.


    Not a single case of defeat ammunition in tanks like T-80. The only instant loss of the car with the entire crew occurred as a result of a blast on a heavy-duty mine. You can reasonably argue that the AZ on the T-72 is better than the MZ on the T-64 and T-80, but the chances of detonating the ammunition in both cases are very small, even if the MZ has a greater chance, it is still negligible against all other causes of losses tanks in battle.

    Does anyone have doubts that the T-14 is better than the T-72?


    For example, I have, because it’s enough to take photographs and it will be clear that the T-14 is much larger than any derivative of the T-72, which means it must weigh up to 60 tons, or with thinner armor at the same weight, the only laxative the factor is a smaller tower, which just has maximum armor.

    On the one hand, China has one and a half billion people. On the other hand, the EU, the USA. And we are with 145-147 million.


    Forgot the rest of the world.
  14. Sergey Mikula
    Sergey Mikula 21 May 2020 09: 46 New
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    Today, given the state of agriculture in a neighboring state, it looks really funny.

    And numbers are possible - we’ll laugh together.
  15. Phoenix
    Phoenix 21 May 2020 20: 53 New
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    Тонна лишнего текста, а единственная мысль автора заключается в последней части папируса... Заявляя, что "вопрос глупый" автор не потрудился ответить на него сам, чтобы мы могли оценить полёт мысли. Я честно говоря не знаю даже с чем здесь спорить, автор ни одну мысль не довёл до конца тут и хочется поругаться но бесполезно.
  16. Phoenix
    Phoenix 21 May 2020 20: 55 New
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    Quote: V.I.P.

    and where is the collective farm modernization, and where is the budget cut-a question))))

    "Дыра" нужна для того чтобы не замуровать мехвода как в Леопардах. Насколько хоршо такое решение вопрос открытый, но не думайте что кто-то экономил один блок дз в самом важном месте.
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. 23 May 2020 09: 03 New
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      Of course. And with pin 5, everything was closed once in ancient times ..... And what about the Polish tank? Or maybe it was necessary to purchase a Croatian DZ? wink mechanics are good with her Or did Carrar blot the mechanics out? And why did the T-90 walled up the driver?)))
      1. Phoenix
        Phoenix 24 May 2020 09: 28 New
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        Why are you asking such stupid questions? They walled up because they did not work on the tank. The driver can still use the hatch on both the T-90 and the Carrara, but it is very, very inconvenient and slow. It could be done as in modernity, there the DZ blocks in the normal position also interfere with the mechanical drive of the hatch, but two blocks can be folded up.
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 May 2020 09: 04 New
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    There was also a modernization project for the T-55 in Egypt. Rollers, engine and gun from the M60. It looked epic. But the Americans did not.