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Monsters in armor

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Here's how, for example, it was with this armored car, which was noted for participation in the White Bohemian rebellion and the capture of Penza by the White Whales. Actually, this is the Austin, and we know that two-tower armored cars were produced on the basis of the Austins. In England, with a pair of towers, in Russia, with their diagonal arrangement, there are Austin-Putilov cars. But where did this single-tower model come from? True, there were two machine guns anyway. One in the tower and the other in the frontal armor plate of the hull


О tanks with love. Today we will visit our virtual museum of armored vehicles again and admire its wonders. Well, and, of course, let's think about how strange creatures people are. That they feel sorry for the money for what is necessary, for what directly affects the lives of other people, then they seem to go crazy and throw a lot of money for something that they don’t have any particular benefit from. People usually never spared money for showing off money ... But, on the other hand, what a dodgy mind they sometimes showed! Let's just say that with respect to armored vehicles, a principle only often worked very much: if there were wheels (or tracks), we would armor something and build a machine gun without fail!


The second exhibit is an armored car, the mighty Garford Putilov. He was also sent to Penza to pacify the rebellious Czechs, but for some reason, under the command ... of the Chinese

And as they got to a station full of Czech legionnaires, they did not begin to shoot at them, but immediately surrendered. Well, the Czechs didn’t even remove it from the platform, but they fired at the Penza Soviet of Deputies from the turret gun, and then again they sent it to the platform in Serdobsk, where some of them were surrounded and where the Soviet armored train approached. There, this BA dispersed everyone with several shots, forced the enemy’s armored train to retreat, and ... eventually led the encirclement to Penza. What is surprising in its design is that for some reason they didn’t put at least one machine gun on it to shoot straight ahead. Still, forward firing from sponsored machine guns was not very convenient.


At the end of the First World War, the British Mk VIII turned out to be the most modern and powerful tank of the Allies. The British transferred eight cars to the United States, where it was planned to deploy its production, and then the war was over. But Spielberg and Lucas decided to make the film "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" and they wanted to insert a tank into it. I liked the MkVIII, taken as a basis

But two tanks were made. One steel, heavy, on the move, albeit without suspension, which made him shake terribly. And the other - with tracks made of polyurethane, which did not touch the ground when moving, but pulled it by a cable tied to a truck. By the way, the tank turned out to be very stylish and quite believable. Three guns, one of which in the tower is an excellent move. That is why only the British themselves during the First World War did not think of him ?!


In the 30s of the twentieth century, Czechoslovakia did not supply anyone with its tanks! And Sweden, and Switzerland, and Peru, and even Afghanistan! Here we have the Afghan model of the TNH tank. Well why, one wonders at that time, the rulers of this country needed tanks? They were without tanks ... no one would have decided to fight at that time. But if you want to, then here’s your tank! And not one. Only 15 cars were sold


For the first time I saw this Swedish armored car on the pages of the Heigl handbook, and I really liked it for some reason. It was thought that it would be easy to produce it in the “cuts the whale” version, that is, resin crafts. The whole body is one solid blank, empty inside to save material. The wheels are cast in the form of "halves", and all the other small ones were made - casting from "white metal"

Yes, but where to get the blueprints? He wrote to the Ministry of Defense of Sweden, and they not only sent me drawings, they also connected BTT modellers with their company, and they also sent a magazine where it was written about him. It is a pity that at that time there was no Google translator and all the text in the article about him had to be taken from Heigl. I always look at this car with bewilderment. Well, who invented this? By the way, spare wheels under the side armor plates rotate. This is in order to better overcome obstacles ...


Another ... armored car. It was produced from October 1942 to December 1943, and a total of 2844 armored vehicles of this type were produced. The T17E1 was adopted by the US Army as the M6, but “did not go” and was delivered to England under the name “Staghound”

It had a reservation of 22-32 mm, and the forehead of the tower (it was cast) was completely 45 mm. Armament - a 37-mm cannon and three machine guns, with a maximum speed of 89 km / h on the highway. Power density - 14 hp per ton of weight is a very good indicator for wheeled and such heavy BA (weight 13,92 tons). After the war, to whom only the British did not raft it, so these BA served until the 80s of the last century.


SAU "Deacon"

"Deacon" is generally something. It was built on the chassis of the AES Matador truck and was used in North Africa. Thin bulletproof armor, 57 mm caliber gun, which had a limited radius of fire due to the driver’s cab. And how to fight on it? And it’s very simple: they covered it with a body model with an awning and let it out on the roads of Tunisia and Egypt, they say, a truck in the sand got lost. Naturally, upon seeing such enviable prey, Italians and Germans did not shoot at him, but ... they caught up with their own BA or tank and offered to stop. And the car stopped right there, the driver got out of the cab, after which the props all fell from her and a shot was fired at point-blank range. At a close distance, the 57-mm shell of the English anti-tank gun that stood on the Deacon pierced the armor of any enemy tank. Well, if help came to him, then the Deacon turned around and scuttled off at full speed.


When the Americans needed a tank to fight German tanks in Europe, they simply modified their Sherman and turned it into a Jumbo

The tank received a 63-mm main and 38-mm patch armor, that is, more than a hundred millimeters, and even at an angle. Well, to shoot him in the tower, even from the "Royal Tiger" did not make sense. The armor on it had a thickness of 152 mm and another 177 mm was the thickness of the cannon mask, covering almost its entire frontal projection. The tank was armed with either a 105-mm howitzer to destroy obstacles, or a 76-mm gun, which, although badly, still hit German tanks.


Well, this car existed only in the drawings, or rather, in the scheme, corrected by its creator, Colonel-Engineer P. Osokin to Comrade Stalin in 1942

He called the car "Tank Cruiser." According to the designer, his task was to "escort the advanced units of the victorious Red Army in a march to the enemy’s capitals: Berlin, Vienna, Rome, Bucharest and further to the West - for the liberation of the peoples oppressed by fascism." But other colonel and general engineers did not approve of his project. It’s interesting, did the science fiction writer A. Kazantsev know about this project when he wrote his novel “The Burning Island” or did he himself invent the “land cruiser” operating in it, crushing entire hills and groves?


Vijayanta

And here the tanks of our Indian friends went, who somehow didn’t say so very long ago: “Hindi Russ Bhai Gang” (“Indians and Russians are children of the same breath”), “Gangs” - yes, but only weapon they often buy in completely different places. For example, "Vijayanta". Actually - the English tank of the Vickers company, it was produced at the factories of Great Britain in 1965-1967 and in India from 1966 to 1983. In total, more than 1400 units were manufactured. They agreed in 1961 and failed to prevent us from this “deal of the century”. In 1962, the Indo-Chinese border war broke out in Tibet. The USSR then did not support the PRC, took a position of neutrality contrary to the hopes of Mao Zedong for Soviet help, but refused to help capitalist India against socialist China either. But the United Kingdom and the United States helped her and began to supply arms to India. Later, however, we began to sell T-55 and T-72M tanks to India, but it was at that time that our positions in Hindustan were seriously weakened.


Tank "Arjun". Your own indian tank. Launched in mass production in 2006. The first tanks entered the Indian army in September 2007. In 2011, it was announced the release of 45 tanks of this type. Currently, there are two modifications of this tank - the "first and second series"

In an interview in January 2020, Army Commander Manoj Mukund Naravane said that the “second series” tank was finally meeting all the requirements, and its commissioning was planned for 2026-2027.


The "Tunguska" is here only because there is a beautiful drawing on it, and the car itself is good


But this projection of the hypothetical self-propelled guns “Coalition” appeared several years ago, when all our mass media enthusiastically wrote that she would have two barrels and that she would fire ... “a bunch of trajectories”. And I wrote everywhere that this is nonsense and that this will never happen. And here she is, today's SPG “Coalition”, and where is the second barrel from it?


As usual, in our panopticon there will be "creativity of the poor." Here is the BTR-60, and the tower on it is from the Panar AML-90 with a 90-mm gun. They riveted this miracle not somewhere, but in Djibouti!


Well, this "miracle" was not done by the poor. It is made in the USA. Machine based on M113, simulating our BMP-2. On maneuvers, such “models” are used as armored vehicles of the opposite side

PS The site administration and the author personally express sincere gratitude to A. Sheps, the author of the Panopticon illustrations, for the BTT drawings provided to him.

To be continued ...
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  1. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 2 June 2020 18: 13 New
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    This is probably a fan of hunting rifles, verticals came up with about the Coalition ... It looks cool, of course, but for those who understand artillery, the scheme is very, very dubious.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 June 2020 20: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Arthur 85
      This is probably a fan of hunting rifles, verticals came up with about the Coalition ... It looks cool, of course, but for those who understand artillery, the scheme is very, very dubious.

      Normal circuit ....
      By the way, the author is absolutely wrong. It was not an invention of journalists; a patent for a double-barreled version can be easily found. Like the layout.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 2 June 2020 21: 32 New
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        And how many shells can there be in this self-propelled gun? Maybe 50. And then, you have to reload ammunition from the TZM, or there, from the peasant cart, depending on how long the war is.
        Two barrels make sense to increase the rate of fire, but ... How much will the second barrel and the second automatic loader weigh? Five tons? And the shells are common to both guns. Well this is not a battleship.
        Isn’t it easier to use the same weight for, say, water cooling of the first barrel? On ships, where there is much more space, there was a tendency to reduce the number of trunks, and increase the rate of fire of those remaining.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 June 2020 23: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Arthur 85
          And how many shells can there be in this self-propelled gun? Maybe 50.

          50, as in 2C19?
          Quote: Arthur 85
          And then, you have to reload ammunition from the TZM, or there, from the peasant cart, depending on how long the war is.

          From TZM is not a good option. From a regular truck.

          Quote: Arthur 85
          Two barrels make sense to increase the rate of fire, but ... How much will the second barrel and the second automatic loader weigh?

          It must be remembered that the artillery piece for two barrels would be easier than the two single-barrel artillery pieces.

          Quote: Arthur 85
          Isn’t it easier to use the same weight for, say, water cooling of the first barrel?

          And it was originally present, it is water.

          Quote: Arthur 85
          On the ships

          Ships here are generally out of place. No analogies. First of all, because it is almost impossible to achieve naval rate of fire in ground artillery.

          ===
          The bottom line is that they refused the second trunk not because it is bad. But because it is too expensive. And besides, if you need a high rate of fire, it is easier to turn to MLRS.
          1. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 3 June 2020 05: 56 New
            +1
            Price, of course, is also important.
          2. Icelord
            Icelord 7 June 2020 09: 22 New
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            No, it’s bad, it’s generally beyond reason. PR pure water
  2. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 2 June 2020 18: 15 New
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    What is surprising in its design is that for some reason they didn’t put at least one machine gun on it to shoot straight ahead. Still, forward firing from sponsored machine guns was not very convenient.

    yes, but the "Garford" was, rather, a wheeled SPG. His task was to support machine-gun armored cars, as well as knock out infantry from fortifications. In other words, he had to go in reverse, and his designer, the head of the Officer Shooting School, General Filatov, even made a "mirror viewing device" for him - just for backing. In this picture, this device, more precisely, its armored casing, "comes out" of the cockpit in front of the machine-gun sponson.

    True, practice has shown that control with this device still leaves much to be desired, therefore, in the future, the machines were equipped with a rear control post.
    The weapon system chosen by Filatov, a three-inch "short" cannon (in this case, an anti-assault gun), quite seriously survived as a domestic tank "heavy" weapon until the second half of the 30s - on the BT-7A and T-28 soldier
  3. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 2 June 2020 18: 24 New
    +5
    Regarding the armored cars of the times of WWI and Civil; in fact, they were ordered to go into battle in reverse, and behind the infantry, the armor there was more likely anti-fragmentation than anti-bullet.

    And this is a competent decision, given that the fighters are mainly armed with rifles, against most of which that armor does not work for about half a meter, and their turning radius is very large, and not on any ground.
  4. Catfish
    Catfish 2 June 2020 18: 55 New
    +9
    "Here is the BTR-60, and the tower on it is from the Panar AML-90 BA with a 90-mm gun. This miracle was riveted not just anywhere, but in Djibouti!" (FROM).
    The creators were inspired by the German SdKfz 234 "Puma" bully

    Very similar - straight twins. wink
    1. kalibr
      2 June 2020 19: 06 New
      +4
      How do we say? "Necessity for inventions is cunning!"
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 June 2020 19: 53 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        "Necessity for inventions is cunning!"

        And such creations of the Cuban "gnomes"?




        And Iranian?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 2 June 2020 20: 21 New
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          Cubans stand apart here, you shouldn't call them "gnomes", they are tough guys and they can fight no worse than us, which they proved, in particular, in Angola.
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 June 2020 20: 51 New
            +9
            Quote: Sea Cat
            don't call them "gnomes"

            According to legend, the "gnomes" were the best gunsmiths ...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 2 June 2020 20: 52 New
              +3
              Well, if so, then there are no questions. smile
        2. Arthur 85
          Arthur 85 2 June 2020 21: 38 New
          +8
          With an American accent: "Ed'ryona kocherizhka"! An APC, hung with dynamic protection, it's cool. He himself, the disease, will not burst when it is triggered?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 3 June 2020 00: 22 New
            +4
            But it can! laughing
            1. svp67
              svp67 3 June 2020 05: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              But it can!

              And for this, most likely they do not put explosive charges there ...
        3. kalibr
          2 June 2020 21: 41 New
          +2
          Wonderful photos! Thank!
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 2 June 2020 22: 13 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Wonderful photos! Thank!

            You should go to Cuba! hi I’ll try to find old photos .., there were monsters too. If I find, I’ll definitely share it. drinks
            But it would be interesting to collect all sorts of archival photos, projects, artworks.
            1. kalibr
              3 June 2020 06: 42 New
              +1
              I used to go there as a job, but since 2007 I stopped ...
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 2 June 2020 19: 54 New
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        Vyacheslav, thanks for the beautiful article. smile
        But the first number would still have to insert the "first swallow" in the armored world - the Belgian "Minerva".

        In the picture she is with the French "Hotchkiss" behind the flap.
        1. kalibr
          2 June 2020 21: 43 New
          +1
          No doubt about it, but the problem with this freak show is that ... only what happened here went. Nothing new! These are the rules of the "game". Everything new is terribly expensive!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 2 June 2020 21: 47 New
            +2
            I don't understand, "Minerva" was not there? And what "game" rules? Olegych, do I not understand something? request
            1. kalibr
              2 June 2020 22: 04 New
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              I just put it poorly. It's just that the materials of the freak show contain only those cars that were once drawn. Minerva was not among them. And ordering a new drawing is expensive. That's the whole "game".
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 2 June 2020 23: 19 New
                +3
                Mustache understood, chef! Babe flowers, children ice cream. soldier wink
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 12: 11 New
          +5
          But the first number would still have to insert the "first swallow" in the armored world - the Belgian "Minerva".

          Constantine, you can kill me mentally, but Minerva was not the first. drinks We will not say who the inventor of the "sharron" was there - Nakashidze or his partners, although there were projects before that.
          Here's another interesting example. For the needs of the Amur railroad, even before WWII, an armored railcar (!) "Benz" was built. It is for the transportation of personnel and valuables, and for protection from hunghuis. He was even sent to the war in 1914, but he ... got lost along the way! request

          In 1918, armored tires "floats" in Omsk, and, moreover, on the side of the whites, and for its characteristic shape it receives the nickname "Lobkov's coffin" (a certain Lobkov was some kind of revolutionary bigot there) laughing
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 3 June 2020 13: 35 New
            +1
            Ahhh ... Got a Gennosse Mikado! fellow Still, the elephant is truly a Russian animal !!! laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 14: 01 New
              +4
              Caught Gennoss Mikado!

              Mikado is not a genossa; he is a lover of geishas and sake (sometimes!). stop Therefore, he goes around the house in tattered hakama! request
              Still, the elephant is truly a Russian animal !!!

              Not at all! It depends on which mammoth of this elephant to count. drinks From the Leonardo project? From the walk-city and the Hussite carts? From an armored train from the Boer War? laughing
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 3 June 2020 14: 26 New
                +2
                No, it’s necessary to count from a car somehow reserved in a machine gun stuck in it. Please do not confuse Leonardo, this is sacred for every Soviet tanker. Thanks to him, for three years I didn’t dig trenches and stomp drill, but rode in a magazine on a tank. soldier
                Mikado is not a genossa; he is a lover of geishas and sake (sometimes!).

                And what Russian does not like fast driving, and what Mikado does not like from a geisha ... her beautiful eyes on the divine face. "

                PS And against the carts of the Hussites there are RPGs at the Hussites. laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 14: 42 New
                  +3
                  And what Russian does not like fast driving, and what Mikado does not like from a geisha ... her beautiful eyes on the divine face. "

                  says, licked, experienced Cat, not knowing that behind her wife is standing with a frying pan, and carefully reads his comments ... lol
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 3 June 2020 14: 47 New
                    +2
                    I was not too lazy, went to Masha’s kitchen, quoted you and invited her to sprinkle the answer herself. She refused, because as soon as she had lunch and had no strength left for anything, even this notorious frying pan was left for me to wash. request
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 14: 54 New
                      +3
                      I was not too lazy, went to Masha’s kitchen, quoted you and invited her to sprinkle the answer herself.

                      happiness to you and health to both! love
                      even left this notorious frying pan for washing to me.

                      next time you will be left with the whole sink! fellow Like, you sprinkle your fingers about odalisks and other adjoining nymphs - you can also wash the dishes with your paws! wink And Kotu can’t get away with it! laughing
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 15: 09 New
                        +5
                        Nikolay, thank you for your good wishes! And to you, with all the children and households of all the very best. smile
                        And the pans ... but where can you get to: "There is a comrade chief!" and straight into the dishwasher.
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 15: 20 New
                        +1
                        And the pans ... but where can you get to: "There is a comrade chief!" and straight into the dishwasher.

                        yes that's for sure! To paraphrase Yankovsky’s phrase - "Only I am the dishes in this house!" bully and they have paws! drinks
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 15: 24 New
                        +2
                        Almost sure, but ... almost, for I go to the stove only to put the kettle on. And that is not always the case. So a peculiar balance comes out: to whom to cook, and to whom to wash. smile
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 15: 31 New
                        +2
                        almost, for I approach the stove only to put the kettle on. And that is not always the case. So a peculiar balance comes out: to whom to cook, and to whom to wash.

                        I have the same thing - now they’re not allowed to the stove. request Anton is a witness. drinks but to wash, clean - I myself select this duty! laughing
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 15: 39 New
                        +2
                        In my opinion, this is natural, it should be so. drinks yes
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 15: 46 New
                        +1
                        In my opinion, this is natural, it should be so.

                        A woman must remain a woman. yes And not an application to the household. love
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 15: 53 New
                        +2
                        Provocateur ... smile
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 16: 06 New
                        +2
                        Provocateur ...

                        And nothing provocateur! stop Sami, father, all by yourself! tongue
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 16: 31 New
                        +2
                        I confess, I am sinful, but I constantly struggle. With what, I really don’t know myself. laughing
                      10. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 June 2020 20: 36 New
                        +2
                        “- What do you think when you look at an armored car?”
                        “And I always think of them” (c).
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 20: 46 New
                        +2
                        This de option was about bricks, but about the armored car it is still more pleasant. smile
                      12. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 June 2020 21: 15 New
                        +2
                        Adaptation to the forum thread.

                        “The voice of God is heard in the cry of children” (c).
                      13. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 21: 23 New
                        +2
                        Rather, "a voice crying in the desert" (c), if it is about armored cars with bricks. laughing
                      14. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 June 2020 21: 31 New
                        +2
                        It remains to justify:

                        “I’m not just balabony,
                        Well, I’m leading a policy ”(c).
                      15. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 22: 03 New
                        +3
                        "And who are you for, Vasil Ivanovich, for the Bolsheviks, or for the Communists?" (FROM). what
                      16. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 June 2020 22: 13 New
                        +1
                        Oh, slippery topic.

                        The first association from Old Man Makhno “Beat the Reds until they turn white, beat the Whites until they turn red.”

                        But closer Bumbarashevo:

                        "And everyone has one head, like mine."
                      17. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 22: 32 New
                        +3
                        That's right. So you are for the international! drinks
                        In the Foreign Legion, our Anton for the night in vain fell into full erotica. Take a look, support comrade. laughing
                      18. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 June 2020 22: 37 New
                        +2
                        Do you coordinate?
                      19. Catfish
                        Catfish 4 June 2020 11: 33 New
                        +2
                        Observer. From the UN, as at one time in Suez. wink
                      20. hohol95
                        hohol95 4 June 2020 13: 59 New
                        +2
                        The main thing is not to become a "Belgian in Rwanda"! hi
  • alone
    alone 2 June 2020 19: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Very similar

    BTR-60 looks good with a gun
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 2 June 2020 19: 18 New
    +6
    Very similar - straight twins.

    well yes! wink
    Konstantin, let me tell you about the first illustration in the article?
    This "tuned Austin" appears in several photographs. For example, he is on the right. Basically, Sheps drew it really well good

    I can't figure out which car is on the left. Perhaps "Armstrong-Utworth-Fiat" (hereinafter - "AUF", for abbreviations).
    So - there is a question! wink drinks
    The Czechs themselves write about the fact that they had such a machine AUF, and bore the name "Hellish".
    The question is, what a similar name was pre-revolutionary "Austin" of the first series. Here he is at the training ground of the Officer Rifle School in tests in 1915:

    I will venture to suggest .... could Czech sources be mistaken in the brand of "Hell" that the White Czechs had? what Too seductive is the version that the same one-turret Austin bore the name "Hellish", and it was the same car that arrived in the first batch in Russia - only that had lost one tower. And not "AUF". request
    The Czechs had other "rarities" as well. For example, the all-wheel drive "Jeffery" designed by Viktor Poplavko - it could become the first domestic armored personnel carrier. A rare shot - a machine gun in the side embrasure.
    1. irontom
      irontom 3 June 2020 10: 53 New
      +1
      Floatly conceived his BA as carriers and support for attacking infantry, only the chassis of the Jeffrey / Nash lorry did not attract armor, weapons and infantry, especially a weak engine.
      As a result, even a full-fledged tower was installed on it. the American armored car on this chassis is a bul with a turret but the thickness of the armor is purely symbolic. The majority of BA Poplavko were abandoned during the collapse of the southwestern front.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 10: 58 New
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        Floatly conceived his BA as carriers and support for attacking infantry

        he even proposed a separate assault tactic for these armored personnel carriers to capture enemy trenches. Everything was thought out scrupulously enough. Engine emnip, yes - in 30 forces was. Cars were made for the division, which was waiting and did not wait in the wings ...
        The majority of BA Poplavko were abandoned during the collapse of the southwestern front.

        part was abandoned, and part of the division was subsequently "Ukrainianized". hi
        But, judging by the illustrations, some of them later went to the Soviet government.
        1. irontom
          irontom 3 June 2020 21: 18 New
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          Alas, this BA did not pull on an armored personnel carrier, since there is no space in its design for landing, as I wrote, the chassis did not pull. Its main purpose is a percussion machine, an obstacle breaker and infantry support by fire. But, with patency with a caterpillar drive can not be compared.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 June 2020 19: 17 New
    +7
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. And today the article was a success. We look forward to continuing.
    1. kalibr
      2 June 2020 21: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      We are waiting for the continuation.

      It is already working ...
  • Hydrogen
    Hydrogen 2 June 2020 19: 22 New
    0
    As for Afghanistan, I watched an interesting program on "Zvezda", at the beginning of WWII Germany and Afghanistan were seriously planning to open a second front in the direction of our Central Asia, Hitler's positions in this country were strong. Apparently that is why Afghanistan bought tanks.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 3 June 2020 12: 30 New
      +1
      Apparently that's why Afghanistan bought tanks.

      Bought and did not receive!
      At the end of 1938, Afghanistan ordered 10 tanks, but the German occupation prevented the deal (although even after the war Afghanistan was interested in these tanks).

      vault8.pro ›o-bronetehnike-afganistana
      Interesting data and photos.
      1. your1970
        your1970 3 June 2020 18: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: hohol95
        Apparently that's why Afghanistan bought tanks.

        Bought and did not receive!
        At the end of 1938, Afghanistan ordered 10 tanks, but German occupation prevented the transaction (although even after the war Afghanistan was interested in these tanks).

        vault8.pro ›o-bronetehnike-afganistana
        .
        th even theoretically they are together
        Quote: Hydrogen
        at the beginning of WWII Germany and Afghanistan quite seriously planned opening a second front towards our Central Asia
        - could not.
        Otherwise, Afghan tanks would have received - and much more
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 3 June 2020 21: 31 New
          +1
          What funds would the Afghan kingdom use to buy modern weapons! Especially in the Third Reich. And we should not forget that the British kept their hands firmly on the pulse of the Afghan elite of those years!
          Plus - the technical literacy of the specialists of the Afghan army! I don’t think she was at the European level!
          Weekend Fiction: Which side was Afghanistan in World War II
          February 3 2019
          IN
          1. your1970
            your1970 3 June 2020 21: 44 New
            0
            Quote: hohol95
            With what means would the Kingdom of Afghanistan buy modern weapons! Especially the Third Reich.

            1) the Czechs - not the Reich
            2) Afghan tanks paid for - but not received
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 4 June 2020 08: 11 New
              +1
              10 tanks like the T-26 would not have played any role in the case of "possible aggression" against the USSR! Iran posed a more real threat. For this reason, it was occupied by us and the British.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 2 June 2020 19: 28 New
    +6
    Here's how, for example, it was with this armored car, which was noted for participation in the White Bohemian rebellion and the capture of Penza by the White Whales. Actually, this is the Austin, and we know that two-tower armored cars were produced on the basis of the Austins. In England, with a pair of towers, in Russia, with their diagonal arrangement, there are Austin-Putilov cars. But where did this single-tower model come from? True, there were two machine guns anyway. One in the tower and the other in the frontal armor plate of the hull
    This armored car was assembled from several damaged "on the knee" and loaded onto the platform together with two more - "Garford-Putilovsky" and one more, called "Infernal". This entire arsenal was handed over to a detachment of Red Chinese and was aimed at suppressing the Czechoslovak rebellion. At the Penza station, the Czechoslovakians offered the Chinese to buy armored vehicles from them, but they refused. After that, the eshnlon was surrounded and the Chinese surrendered.
    Here is the train.
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    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 2 June 2020 19: 31 New
      +4
      Here is the train.

      yes, I also posted a photo of him up the branch, Viktor Nikolaevich. Damn, at the same time with you posted a photo of "tuned Austin", now corrected the comment - deleted it! laughing
      and another one called "Hellish".

      here, I have a question on it! request
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        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 2 June 2020 19: 36 New
          +4
          Here, two identical photos turned out.

          I erased my own! wink In order not to disturb you! drinks You, however, posted it a little earlier! hi
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 2 June 2020 19: 38 New
            +2
            Put back. I also wiped mine.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 2 June 2020 23: 51 New
              +3
              Put back. I also wiped mine.

              - Monsieur! Be the first to shoot!
              “Only after you, sir!”

              (Battle of Fontenoy, 1745) drinks

              Be the first, Viktor Nikolaevich! stop Moreover, judging by everything, we both took these photos from the same resources without saying a word! hi
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 2 June 2020 19: 35 New
        +2
        Here, two identical photos turned out. In order not to clutter up the comments, I deleted my own.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 June 2020 19: 47 New
          +6
          How both of you are sophisticated and pussy! wassat
          Just some kind of "league of outstanding gentlemen"! laughing
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 2 June 2020 20: 06 New
            +8
            Just stumble over each other. laughing I’ll go out, go out into the yard, someone may swear, everything is somehow more familiar. laughing drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 2 June 2020 20: 12 New
              +5
              "I’ll go outside, look at the village,
              The girls walk and I have fun "(C)
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 2 June 2020 20: 15 New
              +4
              “And everyone used his right
              To say disgust to the triumph ”(c).
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 2 June 2020 20: 18 New
                +5
                "Will go RIGHT, the song starts,
                To the left - a fairy tale says
                There are miracles, the goblin wanders there,
                R ... stop! Not worth it ... " stop
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 2 June 2020 22: 22 New
                  +4
                  Ah, the boss returned the freedom late! The fun is over! angry
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 2 June 2020 23: 17 New
                    +3
                    Apart from the banal "better late than never" I can not say anything else. Yes, and there was no particular velvet.
                    Welcome, friend !!! drinks
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 2 June 2020 22: 18 New
            +6
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Just some kind of "league of outstanding gentlemen"!

            Bravo Anton! Bravo! No worse than yesterday's ax and sword !!!!
            Only comparable with the legendary:
            * And then a tank appears .... * laughing hi laughing hi
            P / S. *I am free....*
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 2 June 2020 23: 55 New
              +4
              Bravo Anton! Bravo!

              It began with the fact that today, simultaneously with Viktor Nikolayevich, we posted the same photos, updated the page, saw that the other of us posted the same, deleted comments and apologized to each other! laughing Miracles! fellow Sergey, with the release of you! drinks
              No worse than yesterday's ax and sword !!!!

              what did Anton say about the sword and the ax there? Hm ... repeat
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 3 June 2020 05: 58 New
                +3
                I quote! * The presence of a sword does not cancel the ability to own an ax ... *. And?! What?!! Cast in bronze! laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 09: 59 New
                  0
                  Cast in bronze!

                  and pour him in cognac. fellow One and a half liters, no less. To make the pearls even more perlite and more wonderful! drinks
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 3 June 2020 07: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Sergey, with the release of you!

                Wow! Thank you! I watched from exile. Yes and the right to correspondence was not deprived. wink
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 3 June 2020 07: 14 New
              +2
              The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is the title of one of my favorite films.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 3 June 2020 08: 59 New
                +2
                Hi Anton! I looked, I liked it too. Connery is one of my favorite actors.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 3 June 2020 09: 02 New
                  +1
                  Wow, I needed my presence / working moment /! soldier
  • svp67
    svp67 2 June 2020 19: 45 New
    +6
    The development of technology and technology since WWI, the very understanding, the concepts of creation and use were such that it is easier to find a "monster" than a "beauty" in armor ...
    "Mgebrow-White"




    1. kalibr
      2 June 2020 21: 46 New
      +2
      At one time we produced models of these three BA, except for the cannon and the "American".
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 00: 06 New
      +5
      Development of engineering and technology since WWI

      Sergey, the second photo is a fake, with all due respect to you! drinks Anti-aircraft "Austin" with a 57-mm cannon looked like this:

      Sorry, he added the wheels! request
      It is interesting that other armored cars with such a gun were also planned, but the stocks of these guns were destroyed by fire in a warehouse in the Brest-Litovsk fortress, where they were stored ... sad
      "Mgebrow-White"

      Vladimir Mgebrov (Mgebrishvili) planned to equip all his armored cars with a turret of his own invention, but it was too heavy for the Renault BA, so they installed two separate machine-gun turrets. request
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 June 2020 20: 09 New
    +5
    A couple more "pictures" on the same topic. smile


    1. Catfish
      Catfish 2 June 2020 20: 11 New
      +6
      No politics here. To the Bolsheviks, please do not be offended. love
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 June 2020 05: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        No politics here. To the Bolsheviks, please do not be offended.

        Yes, everything is fine. The armored car that Ilyich spoke on was from the armored division, where the main roles were not the Bolsheviks, but the anarchists ... they could eventually drink wheels too ... good
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 3 June 2020 06: 15 New
          +3
          Nothing human is alien to the anarchists. smile drinks
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 00: 12 New
      +3
      A couple more "pictures" on the same topic.

      Our Mikhail (Trilobite Master) in the 17th year posted photos of our reenactors with a similar German armored car recreating the battle of the WWII in the park of Kingisepp (the former Yam fortress, in the Leningrad region). soldier
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 3 June 2020 00: 15 New
        +3
        Kolya, hi. hi Maybe he will post it again here, it would be interesting to see.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 10: 43 New
          +3
          Maybe he will post it again here, it would be interesting to see.

          I was mistaken! Not Michael laid out, but another respected user.
          here is a selection of photos:
          https://vk.com/album217251922_205747508

          replicas of the German BA and, apparently, "Putilovsky Austin".

          There was cavalry too! Here, apparently, the German hussars. yes We fought directly on the territory of the Yam fortress, there is somewhere around 150 to 250 m park. The Germans went into battle from the north side of the fortress, right from the foot of the rampart. Ours are from the south. You can see the building of the Kingisepp Museum of History and Local Lore, a former vocational school, built in 1912.
          The fortress itself was one of the main in the northwest at the turn of the 14-15th centuries. And the only thing that has not been preserved in stone! soldier
          https://topwar.ru/119690-krepost-yam-gorod-kingisepp.html
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 10: 53 New
          +3
          here is another photo of this "Putilovsky Austin". He even made the stern correctly. Filming is all in the same park.

          и

          the replica of an armored car itself is leased for 30 rubles drinks
          http://1914-1945.xn--p1ai/products/15670292
          Konstantin, do you want to? wink
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 3 June 2020 10: 59 New
            +2
            Konstantin, do you want to?

            No thanks. laughing I have enough ATV. smile
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 11: 01 New
              +2
              No thanks. laughing I have enough ATV.

              is it rusty in front? wink and the nymphs in the sheets in the trailer ride? drinks
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 3 June 2020 11: 09 New
                +2
                No, the nymphs follow in the wake of the separation of psychological weapons (and not only). wink
                By the way, I would not refuse such a machine, great design, neither diminish, nor diminish.
                For the beautiful ladies! drinks
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 11: 19 New
                  +2
                  No, the nymphs follow in the wake of the separation of psychological weapons (and not only).

                  in this case, the modified "Yankee Doodle" should sound from the car wink
                  "Uncle Kostya, go on!
                  Uncle Kostya is a dandy! "
                  drinks
    3. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 12: 25 New
      +3
      Konstantin, what kind of armored car is with the brave Yankees?

      Painfully in shape it resembles the Sd Kfz 13 of the 30s, which the Germans themselves called the "trough".
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 3 June 2020 13: 42 New
        +3
        ... and what kind of armored car is with the brave Yankees?

        And the devil only knows, they themselves probably don't know, they just wrote "armored machine-gun car". Like a Texas machine-gun car, only instead of a mustang in a harness, a Ford engine. It remains only to write on board "I will catch up - I will." laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 14: 03 New
          +2
          It remains only to write on board "I will catch up - I will."

          Who about what, and the lord of the pond with a rustle - about odalisks wink
          In principle, the shape of both bodies is simple. So to speak - "fast and cheap". hi
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 3 June 2020 14: 13 New
            +2
            Odalisks, of course, are more expensive. But for some reason, it seems to me that the brave American scouts and words did not know this, but because of ignorance they could grab onto Colt. You, this ... began to be more careful, perhaps ...
            And the shape of the case in odalisok ... uh !!! Already distorted as introduced. laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 14: 18 New
              +2
              And the shape of the case in odalisok ... uh !!! Already distorted as introduced.

              And licked his lips, like the Emperor Bokassa on "sugar pork" ... laughing
              But for some reason, it seems to me that the brave American scouts and words did not know this, but because of ignorance they could grab onto Colt.

              or for something else. laughing During WWI, EMNIP, "hard drives" were supplied from America to Russia, to which a bayonet was attached. The only thing, it seems, was not the same famous model, but a different one .. what
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 3 June 2020 14: 40 New
                +3
                This is a model of 1895 under the Russian cartridge 7,62x54R and was developed by order of the Winchester company by John Browning himself. It was supplied throughout the First World War, fought in Citizen, and then it was retrained as a hunting weapon and the rifle has successfully served its owners hunter-hunters for more than a dozen years. In our department there were several of them, of which only one, more precisely one (carbine) was not drilled. They shot him at the shooting range of the Scientific Research Institute of Sudexpertiza and all the same got a little fake - the barrel was so shot that there were practically no rifling and the bullet flew to hell.

                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 14: 48 New
                  +2
                  It was supplied throughout the First World War, fought in Citizen, and then it was retrained as a hunting weapon and the rifle has successfully served its owners hunter-hunters for more than a dozen years.

                  a beautiful weapon .. If so we can talk about military weapons in general. what
                  During the WWII on the Western Front, the Allies also used pump-action shotguns. fellow One of our officers, having been there, even wrote an analytical note on this weapon. That's who - forgot! recourse And about him even the Wikipedia article was .... sad
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 3 June 2020 14: 53 New
                    +2
                    I don’t remember who either. A weapon, of course, can be called beautiful if it is worth it. Here are often people in whose hands it falls, are not very. yes
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 3 June 2020 15: 03 New
                      +3
                      Here are often people in whose hands it falls, are not very.

                      yes, to the point they said. hi when Kalashnikov died, I remember the screams on the forums of some representatives of the "non-handshake public": "Ah, ah, his weapon killed so many people!" belay Нет! stop His weapon created to protect our state and our peoples! soldier and who uses it and how is another question, and this is not a question of weapons, but of the people themselves ... hi Whoever wants to, he will kill both with a club and with his bare hands - without any machine guns. stop
                      I don’t remember who either.

                      I should look for the name of that officer ... what
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 June 2020 15: 14 New
                        +3
                        ... I remember the screams on the forums of some representatives of the "non-handshake public

                        Fuck them ... go to hell. As soon as it smells of fried, they will either rush to the run, or to those who have weapons: "Oh save me! You have weapons!" Ugh, I hate slobber.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 June 2020 20: 23 New
    +4
    "Mark V" on Troitsky Prospect Arkhangelsk is still standing.
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  • Soveticos
    Soveticos 2 June 2020 23: 56 New
    +2
    Thanks, very interesting article. We look forward to continuing.
  • Mordred79
    Mordred79 3 June 2020 01: 15 New
    +2
    "I wonder if the science fiction writer A. Kazantsev knew about this project when he wrote his novel" The Burning Island "or he invented the" land cruiser "acting in it, crushing entire hills and groves under him? .." Of course he knew, after all he had a time machine - the novel was written in 1936 ...
    1. kalibr
      3 June 2020 06: 49 New
      +2
      At first it was the script "Arenida", which received the highest prize in a science fiction script competition in 1936, later the author reworked it into a full-fledged novel. In 1940-1941 it was published by "Pionerskaya Pravda", and the novel was published in the newspaper as it was written books. There was no land battleship in Arenida ...
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 3 June 2020 01: 53 New
    +3
    Installing a turret with a 90mm cannon on an armored personnel carrier is a really cool idea. I always liked armored vehicles with guns, but it really looks like PUMA. The concept of an armored car with a gun is extremely attractive. Well, eta American armored car showed itself perfectly. And Sherman Jumbo is what you NEED to do when a heavy tank is NEEDED and it is not. By the way, the American 76.2mm tank gun had better armor penetration than our 85mm, so it was not bad against the Tiger ...
  • hohol95
    hohol95 3 June 2020 12: 25 New
    +3
    In the 30s of the twentieth century, Czechoslovakia did not supply anyone with its tanks! And Sweden, and Switzerland, and Peru, and even Afghanistan! Here we have the Afghan model of the TNH tank. Well why, one wonders at that time, the rulers of this country needed tanks? They were without tanks ... no one would have decided to fight at that time. But if you want to, then here’s your tank! And not one. Only 15 cars were sold

    Is this a real machine or a fantasy?
    The Afghans did not receive their 10 T-11 tanks. They were received by the Bulgarians.
    And in the figure, the mix of the LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38 designs.
    1. kalibr
      4 June 2020 13: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: hohol95
      Is this a real machine or a fantasy?

      Real. From a photo from Chamberlain's book "Czech armored vehicles"
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 4 June 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        I’ll have to search. Perhaps the captions under the photos are confused.