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The Indian general said that the country's air force refuses to purchase F-21 American production

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Reports are coming from India that the country's Air Force command has decided to abandon the consideration of the possibility of acquiring American F-21 fighters. F-21 is a deep modernization of the F-16 fighter, which the American manufacturer Lockheed Martin offered for release specifically for the Indian market.


Some time ago, an American company said that the F-21 is a fighter in which it is planned to implement a number of principles used in the fifth generation - F-22 and F-35. It was about new radars, software, etc.

Meanwhile, Forbes published material titled “Say Goodbye to Indian Super-F-16.” By “super-F-16” is meant precisely the F-21.

Indian General Bipin Rawat:

With these fighters, I would prefer fighters of our own production.

These are Indian LCA Tejas aircraft.

Rawat:

Indian Air Force switch to LCA. The Air Force will order 83 Tejas in addition to the 40 LCAs that are already paid under the contract.

The total amount of the contract for Tejas is $ 6 billion. Thus, each unit of Tejas will cost approximately $ 48-49 million. This is significantly cheaper than what the American side offered on the F-21.

In the USA, they do not hide that their goal was and is to promote their F-21s in the Indian market. If New Delhi went for this deal, then we could talk about ordering at least 40 fighters. But, according to the latest data, in India they decided to abandon the F-21 completely. Although the word "definitively" is not a completely Indian version in the case of the acquisition of weapons and military equipment. The United States is well aware of this, and therefore clearly does not intend to put an end to it.
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  1. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 17 May 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    Many people want to have such a luxury as their own aviation industry. I associate this with 3-D printers.
    1. Civil
      Civil 17 May 2020 11: 09 New
      +6
      And now, General Bilvin Ranat and his 40 elephants will sing about all of these Rafali and Fe-21. laughing
      1. free_flier
        free_flier 18 May 2020 01: 06 New
        +2
        Everyone is trying to breed the producer SU-35, but he is not getting divorced or getting divorced ...
    2. Elturisto
      Elturisto 17 May 2020 13: 16 New
      10
      : it’s a pity that gray matter is not printed on 3D printers, because commentators have such a shortage ...
    3. Dzungar
      Dzungar 18 May 2020 20: 28 New
      0
      Sorry, but 3D printers do not print brains .....
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 17 May 2020 10: 10 New
    +6
    Absolutely the right approach. Even stuffing bumps, you yourself need to pass this road.
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 10: 56 New
      +9
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Absolutely the right approach. Even stuffing bumps, you yourself need to pass this road.

      Well, you have a lot of experience in Israel in this regard! I remember you stole two carriages of the Mirage fighter planes when they refused to supply you with components and with the same plutonium production reactor .. Also purchased according to complicated schemes!
      Hindus, of course, are more naive, but not only can they dance!
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 13: 28 New
        -3
        Considering that the Mirage-5 was designed specifically for Israel and Israeli pilots and engineers were directly involved in its development, I suspect that the story of copying drawings in Switzerland was invented as a distraction. And we must not forget that the head of the Mirages manufacturing company, aircraft designer Marcel Dassault, despite the fact that he converted to Christianity at the age of 58, was still Moishe Bloch as a child.
        1. Banshee
          Banshee 17 May 2020 14: 27 New
          +6
          I don’t know how much this whole story was bungled for the eyes, but the fact that the son of Adolph Bloch and Noemi Bloch, Marcel Bloch, later became Marcel Dassault is yes. And he could have made such a small gesheft. And this is quite normal.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 15: 01 New
            0
            Marcel Bloch began producing his own aircraft in 1929. And he changed his surname to Dasso in honor of the underground pseudonym of his brother, the hero of the Resistance movement Paul Bloch (Chardasso - assault tank) after the war. And Buchenwald, where Dassault spent three years.
        2. Tutahamon
          Tutahamon 17 May 2020 14: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Given that the Mirage-5 was designed specifically for Israel and Israeli pilots and engineers were directly involved in its development, I suspect that the story of copying blueprints in Switzerland was invented as a distraction

          You know how to excuse Jews .. hehe
          Get out of any situation .. And when a couple of warships from France were hijacked built and blocked? Is that normal too? laughing
          If necessary, they would be immediately dunked by aviation .. And you put it on your own plus point .. The agreement was 100%!
          Well, Jews, well, pontoons, which the world has not seen bully
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 15: 28 New
            -5
            First, two boats were taken out of the port before the embargo began. Secondly, five other boats were bought (with compensation received from the French for non-fulfillment of the contract) in the name of the Norwegian company Starboot. And the French got the money. But they could not bomb unarmed boats that were bought out and located outside the territorial waters.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 11 New
    +2
    This is already normal!
    Because in relation to these clients, everything has happened many times.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 17 May 2020 10: 26 New
      +8
      Vitya soldier
      the word "definitively" is not a completely Indian version in the case of the acquisition of weapons and military equipment. The United States is well aware of this, and therefore clearly does not intend to put an end to it.

      I predict the activation of dances in the style of Bollywood ... yes
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 38 New
        +3
        hello Pasha soldier
        Regarding their politicians, generals, what can I say.
        They express opinions, make decisions, as well as everywhere, in general.
        Maybe there are more others "dancing" around the bush! But such is their national specificity! We are already surprised, there is nothing there ... however, like everyone else.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 17 May 2020 10: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          We are already surprised there is nothing ... however, like everyone else.

          That's for sure . It would be surprising if the F-21 deal went quietly, peacefully and on American terms.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 51 New
            +5
            I won’t say anything under the conditions, I don’t know, but the plane is really good, with an excellent history of operation and combat use! Moreover, the service at the Yankees is better than at many others.
            Unfortunately, we have a service, this is a sore spot ... although there is progress in this topic.
            However, the Indians can ... any technique.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 17 May 2020 10: 52 New
              +2
              I propose not to think ahead, but to wait for the development of events.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 53 New
                +3
                It is truth too. Dancing can go on for a long time.
                1. avg
                  avg 17 May 2020 12: 44 New
                  +2
                  It is truth too. Dancing can go on for a long time.

                  No matter how they dance, it's still nice when the "partners" step on the corn. That's nice and that's it.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 17 May 2020 12: 48 New
                    0
                    It's nice this time, not partners, but the enemy, the competitor, it's two and three, there is a chance to earn extra money, which is also important.
                2. Dzungar
                  Dzungar 18 May 2020 20: 53 New
                  0
                  Indian dances .....
            2. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 17 May 2020 12: 26 New
              +1
              The plane is good and really with excellent HISTORY laughing
              Let’s offer the Yak-3 dancers.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 May 2020 12: 36 New
                +1
                "twist and twist" was, for its time, a cool car. But his time, now, is to stand in a museum or show off at an ivy show.
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat 17 May 2020 12: 47 New
                  0
                  The same can be said about the F-16
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 17 May 2020 14: 50 New
                    +2
                    Successful aircraft, combat. No questions.
                    Undergoing modernization and will be more and more ....
    2. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 11: 00 New
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      This is already normal!
      Because in relation to these clients, everything has happened many times.

      Exactly Victor! These Indians have been bred more than once on beautiful, expensive military toys .. hi
      The USSR-Russia has long been driving the topic for them. To finally determine the standard of armaments .. Want to produce, produce, help, but we will not sell the technology completely ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 May 2020 11: 45 New
        +2
        The master is a master, what else can one suggest.
        There are many options, from simple, they want the best, to elementary corruption, lobbying the interests of the one who paid the most.
        Nothing unusual, new.
        1. Tutahamon
          Tutahamon 17 May 2020 12: 59 New
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          The master is a master, what else can one suggest.

          Also in the direction of the Indians so often wrote .... hi

          Quote: rocket757
          There are many options, from simple, they want the best, to elementary corruption, lobbying the interests of the one who paid the most.
          Nothing unusual, new.

          Big Indians also pay money, so there’s a lot of swindlers spinning on the Russian side too .. wink
          Their decision, the main thing is not to regret it later ..
          Russia, nevertheless, of all offers a more real and suitable for protection against any aggressor, but it should be systematic, layered and standard for all types of weapons (well, almost) .. hi
          Yes expensive, but 100% protection guaranteed!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 May 2020 21: 03 New
            0
            Shozh you have such admirers, there is no way to keep up with them!
            You can understand the Hindus, they want and still want a lot and more. Money is paid and not small.
            Raznosortitsa in the troops, yes, the headache of the MTO. Also, technical services should be able to service a bunch of different equipment ..
            In short, do not understand from the side.
  4. Mitroha
    Mitroha 17 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +2
    Judging by the indication of the cost of Tejas, we can talk about another attempt by the Indians to change the price of the F-21 in their favor. Local tradition, where do you get to?
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 13: 04 New
      -4
      Quote: Mitroha
      Local tradition, where do you get to?

      You can judge by gypsies .. Their relatives! ))))

      Beautiful song and gypsies ...))) Remember the men?
  5. Demagogue
    Demagogue 17 May 2020 10: 16 New
    +1
    Unnoticed, instead of 114 aircraft, only 83 will buy from the tender. The crisis did not pass anyone. The missing number of cars will apparently be bought from us.
    And Tejas is not so bad. Afar Indians seem to have completed it.
  6. knn54
    knn54 17 May 2020 10: 27 New
    +1
    Indian general against "democratic producer"?
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 May 2020 10: 36 New
    +4
    The Americans suggested that the Indians completely transfer from
    States assembly plant F-16. And the production of parts too.
    Indians would become suppliers of F-16 and spare parts for them
    for the whole world, where thousands of F-16s still fly.
    The offer is very large-scale and rare in its kind.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 17 May 2020 10: 47 New
      +4
      If there are suicides fly with Indian spare parts. The main thing on the plane is the engine, and India will never be trusted to do it.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 May 2020 10: 55 New
        +1
        There was no talk about the engine. General Electric continues to do it.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 17 May 2020 13: 15 New
          +1
          It’s just that no one needs other spare parts, everything else is obtained from the United States using the equipment maintenance system that goes with the aircraft itself.
      2. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 17 May 2020 11: 08 New
        +1
        Well, everyone flies somehow on the Hindu code, they are not afraid that something will fail there.
    2. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 17: 51 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Americans suggested that the Indians completely transfer from
      States assembly plant F-16. And the production of parts too.
      Indians would become suppliers of F-16 and spare parts for them
      for the whole world, where thousands of F-16s still fly.
      The offer is very large-scale and rare in its kind.

      Well, glory to the Buddha that the Indians sensed a trap and refused ...
      Could then their own F-16 and bomb .. The young Indians did not fall for !!!
  8. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 17 May 2020 10: 46 New
    +4
    Did not agree rollback? Indian planes, Indian tanks are fantastic, it seems to exist, they even exist, but they are suitable only for cutting money.
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 May 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    with regard to military purchases from India, seven Fridays a week ... negotiate favorable terms for the deal ...
  10. svp67
    svp67 17 May 2020 11: 18 New
    +3
    Indian General Bipin Rawat:
    "With these fighters, I would prefer fighters of our own production."
    These are Indian LCA Tejas aircraft.
    Rawat:
    "The Indian Air Force switches to LCA. The Air Force will order 83 Tejas in addition to the 40 LCA already paid for under the contract."

    So I understand, and our highly "publicized" and "not having an analogue in the world" MiG-35, too, "waved a pen ..."
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 17 May 2020 11: 36 New
      -1
      You understand correctly. I have already said a thousand times that India relies on its light fighter Tejas 2 and the 5th generation fighter AMCA, which they, together with the British, want to make for India. They could buy MiG-35s only with the help of a rollback, as the French did, having sold their Rafal to India.
  11. Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 May 2020 11: 23 New
    +1
    Yes, India is a country of mysteries and miracles, there are 9 Fridays in a week, the word spoken today is forgotten today. ...
  12. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 17 May 2020 11: 28 New
    +1
    When buying weapons with the Americans, it’s better not to mess with, the American weapon has not helped anyone yet, but there are plenty of facts about it.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 May 2020 12: 15 New
    0
    With the American sanctioned approach .... they are their own enemies.
  14. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 May 2020 12: 42 New
    0
    And is it worth it to listen to the words of one general, their opinion changes a hundred times a day.
  15. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 May 2020 13: 00 New
    -1
    India sees that they cannot offer anything new to it at this stage and give preference to its aircraft, in which technologies and novelties from Raphael will probably already be implemented (and as you know, the French are still inventors, almost like Italians), with Su they are all that they could have raped.
    They do it right - develop their own production.
    Where would the USSR be if in WWII he hoped for arms supplies from the United States and its ilk?
  16. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 17 May 2020 13: 02 New
    +1
    another statement in 10 year trading per contract. Once a week in India, it is customary to refuse a contract and agree again, bargaining for years and decades. In the end, to buy already obsolete weapons, and then again bargain for decades for its replacement under a new contract.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 17 May 2020 13: 39 New
    0
    In the Indian version, the refusal sounds too loud and the Americans are aware. Now the "messengers" from the United States will "visit" anyone in India and they will buy the old F-16, under the new name F-21, more expensive than the new F-35
  18. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 17 May 2020 14: 20 New
    0
    When we write about such things, we always need to remember about forms of government, territorial structure, party and political structure, methods of decision-making in a particular country. If the authors, including the material under discussion, gave at least a little help, it would be very nice. In this case, I could take an excursion into the features of the Indian government, but there are other things. Yes, and laziness is simple.
  19. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 May 2020 14: 32 New
    0
    latest data from open sources about the Indian Air Force: MiG-29 (29UPG) / MiG-29UB - 55/7 ..... Mirage 2000E / I (2000H) // Mirage 2000ED / IT (2000TH) - 39/10 .. .... Su-30MKI - 255 ...... Rafale - 4 ...... HAL Tejas - 16 ....... MiG-21 / MiG-21U / UM - 112/38 .. ... HAL Jaguar IB / HAL Jaguar IS / HAL Jaguar IM - 28/79/8 ... of which the first six with fighter functionality ....... another fighter))))))) Indians like that magpie - everything is brilliant and beautiful in the nest ..... a purely personal and biased opinion of the average person - such your diversity in the case of a mighty batch will play a trick on you dear Indians
  20. U-58
    U-58 17 May 2020 15: 06 New
    +1
    Better to change three picky brides than to sell weapons to India once ...
  21. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 May 2020 16: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: U-58
    Better to change three picky brides than to sell weapons to India once ...

    you wanted to say "easier" and not better ..... although))))))
    1. U-58
      U-58 17 May 2020 16: 31 New
      0
      Accepted. Easier))))
  22. Engineer engineer
    Engineer engineer 17 May 2020 17: 02 New
    0
    Quote: gabonskijfront
    I associate this with 3-D printers

    And what side?
  23. Dzungar
    Dzungar 18 May 2020 20: 23 New
    0
    With these fighters, I would prefer fighters of our own production.
    Bgggggg .....
  24. NF68
    NF68 19 May 2020 16: 27 New
    0
    The dancers. Wait for sanctions now.