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The US is looking for a replacement Turkish component for the F-35 fighter

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Batch production of fifth-generation F-35 fighters may run into problems due to the lack of components previously manufactured in Turkey. According to Breaking Defense, the US is urgently looking for a replacement for parts previously supplied by the Turks.


According to a report prepared for the US government, Lockheed Martin has already found new suppliers for 1005 fighter components previously manufactured in Turkish territory. However, 15 "important" parts for the F-35 are still not produced "in full", which can lead to problems with serial production.

In turn, Defense News reports on a solution that allows the temporary production of components not in Turkish territory. According to the publication, the Turkish company Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), which produced the fuselage elements of the F-35, was replaced by the American corporation Northrop Grumman, which produces most of the fuselage elements.

TAI is the second-tier supplier for the aircraft, while most of the fuselage elements are manufactured by Northrop Grumman. It is highly likely that Northrop will take over the production of this component until another supplier is found to replace TAI.

- writes the edition.

Meanwhile, the F-35 creation program was criticized by US President Donald Trump, who said that "too many foreign manufacturers were involved in the production of fifth-generation fighter components." According to him, this makes the program "unstable." Trump proposed to focus on the territory of the United States "all production" of the fighter.

It's a great airplane, but it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world. We must do everything in the USA

- he said.

Recall that initially, nine partner countries participated in the F-35 program: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, Great Britain and the USA. Currently, there are eight of them, since Washington decided to exclude Turkey from the program after Ankara acquired the Russian S-400 air defense system.

By the way, the Turkish television company TRT World on May 13 this year announced that the United States made the final decision to exclude Turkey from the program for creating the fifth generation American fighter.
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  1. Well done
    Well done 17 May 2020 08: 33 New
    +5
    В Китае куча комплектующих, на "али". Вот был бы поворот! laughing
    1. Simon
      Simon 17 May 2020 09: 15 New
      0
      I agree! But they are not friends with them! request wink
      1. Well done
        Well done 17 May 2020 09: 24 New
        +4
        Через посредников все можно. F-35 на базе "arduino" или "малинки"! (кто в теме поймет)
    2. knn54
      knn54 17 May 2020 09: 31 New
      0
      Несколько лет назад в США разбились два или три истребителя.Причина-китайские ( не тайваньские) электронные компоненты "неизвестного" изготовителя.
      In addition, the deficit of spare parts for military equipment will increase.
      With the transfer of production to the United States, the cost of a fighter will increase.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 May 2020 11: 27 New
      -2
      Too few countries pulled the Yankees into this scam, it was necessary to scatter the production of components throughout the NATO block, at the expense of the budget of the countries themselves! lol That is, produce spare parts, and pay for them yourself as a manufacturer lol
    4. Free wind
      Free wind 17 May 2020 12: 27 New
      -2
      Quarantine, aliexpress is still prohibited, or only wearing masks and wearing gloves. But when I saw the Chinese gimbal on the new UAZs, I was a little bit crazy.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 17 May 2020 12: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Free Wind
        Quarantine, aliexpress is still prohibited, or only wearing masks and wearing gloves.

        No one forbade him. Three days ago I received a package without any gloves. She wandered around Russia for two weeks, and all Chinese viruses on her died long ago. Remained if only viruses from mail workers. But there are such in any store.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 May 2020 08: 34 New
    +8
    Well, Trump got his way - there were nine manufacturers, eight remained ...
    Может ему книжку "десять негритят" подсунуть?)))
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 08: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, Trump got his way - there were nine manufacturers, eight remained ...

      Erdogan still did not give up, under pressure from the United States and this is not bad ..
      1. Simon
        Simon 17 May 2020 09: 18 New
        -1
        So NATO is already staggering, from the coronavirus and it looks like it will fall to pieces soon. wink
        1. Tutahamon
          Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Simon
          So NATO is already staggering, from the coronavirus and it looks like it will fall to pieces soon. wink

          Yes, they showed mutual assistance in all its glory Covered in their borders and masks from each other are torn and accused of infecting their aircraft carriers with each other ..
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 May 2020 09: 36 New
            +2
            Solidarity in NATO - in time of need, rob your neighbor.
          2. venik
            venik 17 May 2020 17: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Tutahamon
            Yes, they showed mutual assistance in all its glory Covered in their borders and masks from each other are torn and accused of infecting their aircraft carriers with each other ..

            =======
            Да, что же Вы такое говорите, батенька! Вот намедни Йенс Столтенберг - генсек НАТО, честнейший человек (лицо у него "честное"), "на голубом глазу" уверял всех, что коронавирус "сплотил НАТО", продемонстрировал "глубочайший уровень солидарности, единства и взаимопомощи" (это наверное, когда тесты, и средства защиты друг у друга тырили!) стран альянса! А все эти "подлые заявления русских и китайцев", что они европейцам помогали, а страны НАТО - друг от друга отгородились и "разбежались по своим огородам - это не что иное, как фейки, информационная война и вообще - "наглая ложь"!

            Вот! А Вы их можно сказать: "фейсом да об тейбл"!!! laughing drinks
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 18 May 2020 17: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Может ему книжку "десять негритят" подсунуть?

      Не получится. Оригинальное название книги Агаты Кристи "Ten little niggers" в Америке запрещено как жутко неполиткорректное. Несколько скорректированный текст доступен под более нейтральным названием "And Then There Were None (И никого не стало)".
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 May 2020 08: 38 New
    +2
    "Турция присоединилась к проекту позже стран-основателей, в 1999 году. Поэтому в ходе выбора характеристик Анкара была лишь партнером минимального — четвертого — уровня (без права голоса и доступа к ключевой информации). Но зато в программе производства опытных, а затем и серийных истребителей ее статус выше — вместе с Австралией, Канадой, Данией и Норвегией она партнер третьего уровня.Искать замену придется для производства довольно крупных и сложных компонентов, включая центральную часть фюзеляжа. Восемь турецких компаний задействованы также в выпуске деталей двигателей Pratt & Whitney F135, шасси, композитных частей воздухозаборников, створок бомбового отсека, мониторов в пилотской кабине. Roketsan — крупнейший турецкий производитель управляемого оружия — разрабатывает для F-35 вариант своей крылатой ракеты SOM-J. Анкара надеялась, что ей удастся продвинуть боеприпас на внешний рынок — другим покупателям самолета."
    S-400 is seriously changing plans for the release of new aircraft.
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 17 May 2020 16: 59 New
      +1
      “The S-400 is seriously changing plans for the release of new aircraft.”
      From Amer’s sources, Turkey will lose about $ 10 billion a year from the cessation of production of parts for the F-35.
      In addition, Turkey, if the S-400 is accepted for operation, may fall under the Amer’s sanctions of the CAATSA law. The US administration must choose from a number of options, from light to tough sanctions if foreign partners make a significant purchase of Russian military equipment. Trump does not want to apply this law against Turkey, but Congress is determined. Erdogan knows about this law and therefore is in no hurry to accept the S-400 in operation. But in his own parliament he is reasonably asked - if you do not accept operation, then why buy?
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 May 2020 08: 39 New
    +3
    The production of components from key partners ..., then the purchase by partners of F35 is one of the main ideas for creating and distributing F35 (and f16 too) ....
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 09: 16 New
      -2
      It seems that one of the main ideas is kidalovo.
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Production of components from key partners ..., then purchase by partners

      Then
      it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world.

      "Боливар не выдержит двоих" ©. Классика.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 May 2020 11: 34 New
        +1
        There is no program at startup. And the politics of the last 20 years is a solid kidalovo
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 11: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          There is no program at startup.

          Чтобы обмануть детектор лжи, надо самому искренне поверить в свою ложь. А изменить правила игры в процессе игры - нормальная практика "джентльменов".
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 17 May 2020 12: 08 New
            0
            At least the F16 program is more ambitious ... and quite honest .... there are also third-party modernizers
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 12: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              At least the F16 program is larger

              It's about fe-35. What does the fe-16 have to do with it?
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 17 May 2020 12: 16 New
                -1
                Similar programs for international cooperation .... and sales. F35 is not from scratch ...
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 12: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  Similar programs for international cooperation

                  The programs are similar, the approach is ultimately different. If you believe the article, of course.
  5. fider
    fider 17 May 2020 08: 43 New
    0
    Israel produces wing parts and a pilot helmet.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 09: 30 New
      +1
      In Israel, they produce whole wings.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 11: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        In Israel, they produce whole wings.

        it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world. We must do everything in the USA

        This is contrary to stability. request
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 12: 57 New
          -4
          Differentiation of production helps to have a warehouse of spare parts in different countries of the world and use them for repair and assembly of aircraft. Roughly speaking, instead of sending a damaged wing for a replacement in the United States, you can take it in Israel. Damaged chassis can be replaced in Italy, electronics in the UK, etc. Now, instead of Turkey, they will find another supplier of parts for the fuselage. Or an Israeli company, or Italian, or British.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 13: 08 New
            +2
            This should not be explained to me, but to the American president.
            Трамп предложил сосредоточить на территории США "все производство" истребителя.

            Take care. request
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 13: 31 New
              -2
              The American president knows where and what is being done. Donald Trump just takes the moment to reduce the project’s dependence on such an unreliable partner as Erdogan.
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 13: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                Donald Trump just takes the moment to reduce the project’s dependence on such an unreliable partner as Erdogan.

                This is already a trend. It began a long time ago, with attempts to return production from China.
                Down and Out trouble started. Appetite comes with eating.
                We must do everything in the USA
                it is not said about Erdogan.
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 13: 43 New
                  -3

                  it is not said about Erdogan.

                  But only Turkey was thrown out of the project.
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 13: 56 New
                    0
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    But only Turkey was thrown out of the project.

                    Not yet evening. This, moreover, is not a reason, but an occasion.
                    The trend has already been mentioned.
                  2. dauria
                    dauria 17 May 2020 14: 36 New
                    0
                    But only Turkey was thrown out of the project.


                    Ha ha .... "Manhattan Project" recall? The United States scatters expenses for everyone, and then (if the case burns out) they take their income. Companions are thrown. If things do not go well, the costs are common.
                    If you interfere, they will also take away a crust of bread from the Jews. Do not imagine yourself fancy that.
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 14: 54 New
                      -5
                      А при чем тут "Манхеттен"?
                      1. dauria
                        dauria 17 May 2020 16: 04 New
                        0
                        А при чем тут "Манхеттен"?

                        Англичане просто так обиделись ? Вложились в проект, дали ученых , средства, наработки. А когда пришла пора делиться результатами по бомбе, американцы их решили "кинуть". Ничего не напоминает ?
                        Another thing is strange - why do Americans generally allow someone to skim the cream from the F-35 project. They can just leave a little bread - and that's enough for you.
                      2. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 17: 03 New
                        -2
                        Британцы участвовали в "Манхеттене" до его закрытия, сотрудничество было прекращено только в конце 1946 года, за это время Великобритания получила достаточно данных, чтобы закончить свой проект.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 May 2020 08: 48 New
    +1
    That's always the case. Slam the door loudly, and then start frantically searching for the key! As Churchill said: “You can always count on what the Americans will do right - after they try all the other options.”

    Source: https://ru.citaty.net/tsitaty/464100-uinston-cherchill-vy-vsegda-mozhete-rasschityvat-chto-amerikantsy-sdel/
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 17 May 2020 10: 14 New
      0
      hi
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      “You can always count on what the Americans will do right - after they try all the other options.

      good
      Mattresses stupidly act in pursuit of their own ambitions. So you can stay with a broken trough. They probably don’t know the proverb about digging a hole for another ...
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 18 May 2020 17: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      That's always the case. Slam the door loudly, and then start frantically searching for the key! As Churchill said: “You can always count on what the Americans will do right - after they try all the other options.”

      Source: https://ru.citaty.net/tsitaty/464100-uinston-cherchill-vy-vsegda-mozhete-rasschityvat-chto-amerikantsy-sdel/

      This phrase is attributed to Churchill, as well as to the former Israeli Foreign Minister with a very indecent Russian-speaking name Abba Eban. Moders, do not kill, well, in kind, they called him like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Eban and probably in Hebrew this means not at all what the Russian-speaking first thinks of.
      There is a funny page in English exploring the issue of authorship of this phrase and its original text:
      https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/11/exhaust-alternatives/
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 May 2020 08: 51 New
    +6
    Turkey was not expelled from the S-400, Turkey was expelled due to a change in the vector of US domestic policy. Trump offers to produce everything in America, and the S-400 is just a good excuse. I think they will reduce suppliers to 3-4, only those that are dependent on the Americans will remain direct
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 18 May 2020 17: 32 New
      0
      Turkey was expelled mainly due to its insecurity as an ally, due to Erdogan's flirting with Islamism. And the S-400 is just a good excuse.
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 17 May 2020 09: 29 New
    +5
    В итальянской компании "Леонардо" и в израильской "Таасия Авирит" довольно потирают руки и готовят перепрофилирование части производства под новые заказы...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 May 2020 09: 52 New
    +2
    "в программе F-35 участвовали девять стран-партнеров:
    Австралия, Канада, Дания, Италия, Нидерланды, Норвегия, Турция, Великобритания и США"////
    ----
    Turkey, because of the course taken by Erdogan to Islamize the country - the only problem
    country from the whole list.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 17 May 2020 12: 22 New
      -1
      " из-за взятого Эрдоганом курса на исламизацию страны" Это полуправда.Турция в центре Исламского мира и Европы.Именно сейчас стабилизирована соотношения "Мусульманской ценности"с "Европейской ценностью" в стране.Турция никогда не станет "Ираном""Арабом"в религиозном смысле.
      Islamization, phrases in relation to Turkey, an excuse, an excuse from the main thing in the hands of US experts and their supporters. Turkey has become much independent, targeted, and therefore somewhat obedient. The gentlemen don’t like it, they are economically and militarily pressured ...
      Although, according to smart heads, everything will be stabilized, and Turkey will be recognized by everyone in today's form.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 May 2020 12: 55 New
        +1
        There are some very definite touches confirming
        my words:
        1) Turkey's support for the Muslim Brothers in Egypt.
        2) Support for Hamas in Gaza.
        3) A sharp change in course in relations with Israel: from a military partnership
        до "холодной войны".
        I do not deny that Turkey is an economically developed country with a modern civil
        and the military industry. Evolving is good.
        But the roll towards radical Islamic organizations is noticeable. Less possible
        to obey the United States or Europe, but this does not mean that you need to be friends with the Muslim Brotherhood.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 17 May 2020 13: 22 New
          -1
          Этому есть простое объяснение.При Османской Империи,на Ближнем Востоке основным "ментальным клеем"являлся религия,а не этническая принадлежность.После развала ОИ и создания ТР этот религиозный нить с арабами было сведено к минимуму.Сейчас,Турция в этих территориях намерена влиянием расширяться.Туркам не так сильно интересно Братья мусульмане или Хамас,главное в народных массах, в этих краях восстановить тот имидж Исламской страны.
          All three of these points are inevitable, temporarily.
          1) Turkey's support for the Muslim Brothers in Egypt.
          2) Support for Hamas in Gaza.
          3) A sharp change in course in relations with Israel:
          There are prerequisites that relations with Israel will improve.
          For me, they are now not so bad, if you leave alone the visible part of the disagreement)
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 17 May 2020 10: 01 New
    +3
    I don’t know about airplanes, but now the Turkish currency has collapsed so that all purchases there are very profitable and vacation on the beaches is almost free. I’m thinking about changing Greek beaches to Turkish in this year. Only find a place that is not infected with the All Inclusive virus ... bully
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 17 May 2020 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Now the currency of Turkey has collapsed

      For 5 years, the green course has grown there from 2,5 lira to 6,9 lira. Inflation in the region of 10-12%. Unemployment is about 13%.
      Given that tourism revenues account for almost half of all state revenues, all indicators will deteriorate in the very near future. It's not up to expensive purchases.
      By the way, the refusal of the United States from Turkish components will cost Turkey, under the most favorable conditions, 50-60 thousand jobs.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 17 May 2020 12: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Considering that tourism revenues account for almost half of all state revenues,

        oh well ??? And you can see the link to this statement? since such a loud statement)
        Quote: A. Privalov
        By the way, the refusal of the United States from Turkish components will cost Turkey, under the most favorable conditions, 50-60 thousand jobs.

        and this one too)
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 17 May 2020 13: 45 New
          -4
          In any case, 35 billion green - tourism income they are missing. In the tourism sector, 2 million Turks worked. Where will they work today?
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 17 May 2020 14: 06 New
            0
            From 01.06.2020/32/50. The Turks open the tourist season. There will be no more, no less losses, like the rest of the world. The Turks bought oil and gas at 60 mln.dol. per year, at an oil price of 15-20 dollars per barrel. Now the same volume is bought twice (as min) cheaper, save XNUMX-XNUMX mln. dol. Here is compensation for tourism losses. Do not worry about them, the country of production and their products are sold with demand all over the world.
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 17 May 2020 15: 37 New
            -1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            In any case, 35 billion green - tourism income they are missing. In the tourism sector, 2 million Turks worked. Where will they work today?

            shorter than blah blah, not half of the revenues of the state)
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 17 May 2020 13: 38 New
        -1
        "Учитывая, что доходы от туризма составляют чуть ли не половину от всех доходов государства," lol
      3. no one
        no one 17 May 2020 14: 55 New
        +1
        Half? You know the subject you are talking about poorly
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 17 New
    +2
    Trump has a great desire to return more industries and firms to his territory. He announced this, he will do it, if possible, of course.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 May 2020 11: 24 New
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      he will do it, if possible, of course.

      Started with a turkish substitution. yes laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 May 2020 11: 46 New
        +1
        Тёрки у них с "султаном", будут решать, воздействовать как привыкли, как можно.
        Damage they have already done, to the Turks, and not small! They will add more, and there they will see how it turns around.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 May 2020 11: 06 New
    0
    It's a great airplane, but it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world. We must do everything in the USA
    Прямо по В. Черномырдину: "Ни когда не было и вот опять!" У американцев так - сегодня друзья, а завтра ослушался и получи санкции с игнором.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 May 2020 11: 20 New
    +1
    he who seeks will always find .... the dependence of the military-industrial complex on manufacturers of components of third countries does not lead to good .... Russia has already experienced this ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 May 2020 15: 57 New
    -1
    Here the whole world fu-35 can not bring to mind, but at the same time they are driving to Russia, they say what kind of garbage is with the Su-57, why do not let out hundreds))
  • qobnvmog
    qobnvmog 17 May 2020 17: 07 New
    -1
    I believe that Israel will be able to replace all partners combined. They produce wings and helmets for the F35 - they will produce both if necessary.
  • veritas
    veritas 17 May 2020 18: 25 New
    +3
    Not to see Turkey as an American penguin, which is good news in general.
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 17 May 2020 19: 04 New
      -1
      I totally agree with you! Because the poorer Turkey is, the cheaper itineraries for its beaches !!!
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 17 May 2020 22: 21 New
        -1
        Logic without logic lol
        1. eklmn
          eklmn 17 May 2020 23: 43 New
          0
          More like logic! Without production of parts for the Penguin, Turkey loses up to approx. $ 10 billion a year. Plus inflation, plus a drop in lira.
          Turkey has already turned to the US for financial assistance. So the prices for tours fall ...
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 18 May 2020 00: 34 New
            -1
            "$10млрд в год" Вес турецкий пакет заказов состоит 12 млр.дол..О чем вы,какие 10 млр. в год???
            I already answered above, I repeat,
            From 01.06.2020/32/50. The Turks open the tourist season. There will be no more, no less losses, like the rest of the world. The Turks bought oil and gas at 60 mln.dol. per year, at an oil price of 15-20 dollars per barrel. Now the same volume is bought twice (as min) cheaper, save 35-35 mln. dol. Here is compensation for tourism losses to you. The country of production and their goods are in demand around the world. Prices in Turkey are cheaper, yes, cheaper. But not because of the loss of orders F-XNUMX. By the way, to this day they let in and pass in the USA, all the details for the f-XNUMX. This process has not stopped, and you talk about losses and associate them with truism.
            1. eklmn
              eklmn 18 May 2020 01: 04 New
              0
              I agree with you !! I used irony / joke unsuccessfully.