The US is looking for a replacement Turkish component for the F-35 fighter

Batch production of fifth-generation F-35 fighters may run into problems due to the lack of components previously manufactured in Turkey. According to Breaking Defense, the US is urgently looking for a replacement for parts previously supplied by the Turks.

According to a report prepared for the US government, Lockheed Martin has already found new suppliers for 1005 fighter components previously manufactured in Turkish territory. However, 15 "important" parts for the F-35 are still not produced "in full", which can lead to problems with serial production.

In turn, Defense News reports on a solution that allows the temporary production of components not in Turkish territory. According to the publication, the Turkish company Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), which produced the fuselage elements of the F-35, was replaced by the American corporation Northrop Grumman, which produces most of the fuselage elements.

TAI is the second-tier supplier for the aircraft, while most of the fuselage elements are manufactured by Northrop Grumman. It is highly likely that Northrop will take over the production of this component until another supplier is found to replace TAI.

- writes the edition.

Meanwhile, the F-35 creation program was criticized by US President Donald Trump, who said that "too many foreign manufacturers were involved in the production of fifth-generation fighter components." According to him, this makes the program "unstable." Trump proposed to focus on the territory of the United States "all production" of the fighter.

It's a great airplane, but it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world. We must do everything in the USA

- he said.

Recall that initially, nine partner countries participated in the F-35 program: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, Great Britain and the USA. Currently, there are eight of them, since Washington decided to exclude Turkey from the program after Ankara acquired the Russian S-400 air defense system.

By the way, the Turkish television company TRT World on May 13 this year announced that the United States made the final decision to exclude Turkey from the program for creating the fifth generation American fighter.

Comments

[Well done]

There are a lot of components in China, for "Ali". That would be a turn!

[Simon]

I agree! But they are not friends with them!

[Well done]

Anything is possible through intermediaries. F-35 based on "arduino" or "raspberry"! (who will understand the topic)

[knn54]

Several years ago, two or three fighters crashed in the United States. The reason is Chinese (not Taiwanese) electronic components from an "unknown" manufacturer.
In addition, the deficit of spare parts for military equipment will increase.
With the transfer of production to the United States, the cost of a fighter will increase.

[Thrifty]

Too few countries pulled the Yankees into this scam, it was necessary to scatter the production of components throughout the NATO block, at the expense of the budget of the countries themselves! That is, produce spare parts, and pay for them yourself as a manufacturer

[Free wind]

Quarantine, aliexpress is still prohibited, or only wearing masks and wearing gloves. But when I saw the Chinese gimbal on the new UAZs, I was a little bit crazy.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Free Wind

Quarantine, aliexpress is still prohibited, or only wearing masks and wearing gloves.

No one forbade him. Three days ago I received a package without any gloves. She wandered around Russia for two weeks, and all Chinese viruses on her died long ago. Remained if only viruses from mail workers. But there are such in any store.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, Trump got his way - there were nine manufacturers, eight remained ...
Can I slip the book "Ten Little Indians" into him?)))

[Tutahamon]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, Trump got his way - there were nine manufacturers, eight remained ...

Erdogan still did not give up, under pressure from the United States and this is not bad ..

[Simon]

So NATO is already staggering, from the coronavirus and it looks like it will fall to pieces soon.

[Tutahamon]

Quote: Simon

So NATO is already staggering, from the coronavirus and it looks like it will fall to pieces soon.

Yes, they showed mutual assistance in all its glory Covered in their borders and masks from each other are torn and accused of infecting their aircraft carriers with each other ..

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Solidarity in NATO - in time of need, rob your neighbor.

[venik]

Quote: Tutahamon

Yes, they showed mutual assistance in all its glory Covered in their borders and masks from each other are torn and accused of infecting their aircraft carriers with each other ..

=======
Yes, what are you talking about, my friend! The other day, Jens Stoltenberg - NATO Secretary General, an honest man (his face is "honest"), "with a blue eye" assured everyone that the coronavirus "united NATO", demonstrated "the deepest level of solidarity, unity and mutual assistance" (this is probably when tests , and the means of protection from each other were tyring!) the countries of the alliance! And all these "dastardly statements by the Russians and the Chinese" that they helped the Europeans, and the NATO countries fenced off from each other and "fled to their gardens - this is nothing more than fakes, an information war and, in general, a" blatant lie "!

Here! And you can say them: "face and about the table" !!!

[Revolver]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Can I slip the book "Ten Little Indians" into him?

Will not work. Original name of Agatha Christie's book "Ten little niggers" in the United States is prohibited as a terribly politically incorrect. A slightly revised text is available under the more neutral title "And Then There Were None".

[Doccor18]

"Turkey joined the project later than the founding countries, in 1999. Therefore, during the selection of characteristics, Ankara was only a partner of the minimum - fourth - level (without the right to vote and access to key information). But in the program for the production of experimental fighters, its status is higher - together with Australia, Canada, Denmark and Norway, it is a partner of the third level. Replacement will have to be for the production of rather large and complex components, including the central part of the fuselage. Eight Turkish companies are also involved in the production of parts for Pratt & Whitney F135 engines, chassis , composite parts of air intakes, bomb bay doors, monitors in the pilot's cockpit.Roketsan, the largest Turkish manufacturer of guided weapons, is developing a version of its SOM-J cruise missile for the F-35. Ankara hoped that it would be able to promote the ammunition to the foreign market - to other aircraft buyers . "
S-400 is seriously changing plans for the release of new aircraft.

[eklmn]

“The S-400 is seriously changing plans for the release of new aircraft.”
From Amer’s sources, Turkey will lose about $ 10 billion a year from the cessation of production of parts for the F-35.
In addition, Turkey, if the S-400 is accepted for operation, may fall under the Amer’s sanctions of the CAATSA law. The US administration must choose from a number of options, from light to tough sanctions if foreign partners make a significant purchase of Russian military equipment. Trump does not want to apply this law against Turkey, but Congress is determined. Erdogan knows about this law and therefore is in no hurry to accept the S-400 in operation. But in his own parliament he is reasonably asked - if you do not accept operation, then why buy?

[Zaurbek]

The production of components from key partners ..., then the purchase by partners of F35 is one of the main ideas for creating and distributing F35 (and f16 too) ....

[Vasyan1971]

It seems that one of the main ideas is kidalovo.

Quote: Zaurbek

Production of components from key partners ..., then purchase by partners

Then

it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world.

"Bolivar will not stand two" ©. Classic.

[Zaurbek]

There is no program at startup. And the politics of the last 20 years is a solid kidalovo

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

There is no program at startup.

To deceive a lie detector, you yourself must sincerely believe in your lie. And changing the rules of the game during the game is a normal practice for "gentlemen".

[Zaurbek]

At least the F16 program is more ambitious ... and quite honest .... there are also third-party modernizers

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

At least the F16 program is larger

It's about fe-35. What does the fe-16 have to do with it?

[Zaurbek]

Similar programs for international cooperation .... and sales. F35 is not from scratch ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Similar programs for international cooperation

The programs are similar, the approach is ultimately different. If you believe the article, of course.

[fider]

Israel produces wing parts and a pilot helmet.

[Zeev Zeev]

In Israel, they produce whole wings.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

In Israel, they produce whole wings.

it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world. We must do everything in the USA

This is contrary to stability.

[Zeev Zeev]

Differentiation of production helps to have a warehouse of spare parts in different countries of the world and use them for repair and assembly of aircraft. Roughly speaking, instead of sending a damaged wing for a replacement in the United States, you can take it in Israel. Damaged chassis can be replaced in Italy, electronics in the UK, etc. Now, instead of Turkey, they will find another supplier of parts for the fuselage. Or an Israeli company, or Italian, or British.

[Vasyan1971]

This should not be explained to me, but to the American president.

Trump proposed concentrating "all production" of the fighter in the United States.

Take care.

[Zeev Zeev]

The American president knows where and what is being done. Donald Trump just takes the moment to reduce the project’s dependence on such an unreliable partner as Erdogan.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Donald Trump just takes the moment to reduce the project’s dependence on such an unreliable partner as Erdogan.

This is already a trend. It began a long time ago, with attempts to return production from China.
Down and Out trouble started. Appetite comes with eating.

We must do everything in the USA

it is not said about Erdogan.

[Zeev Zeev]

it is not said about Erdogan.

But only Turkey was thrown out of the project.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

But only Turkey was thrown out of the project.

Not yet evening. This, moreover, is not a reason, but an occasion.
The trend has already been mentioned.

[dauria]

But only Turkey was thrown out of the project.

Ha ha .... "Manhattan Project" recall? The United States scatters expenses for everyone, and then (if the case burns out) they take their income. Companions are thrown. If things do not go well, the costs are common.
If you interfere, they will also take away a crust of bread from the Jews. Do not imagine yourself fancy that.

[Zeev Zeev]

And what does "Manhattan" have to do with it?

[dauria]

And what does "Manhattan" have to do with it?

Are the British just so offended? We invested in the project, provided scientists, funds, and developments. And when the time came to share the results on the bomb, the Americans decided to "throw" them. Doesn't it look like anything?
Another thing is strange - why do Americans generally allow someone to skim the cream from the F-35 project. They can just leave a little bread - and that's enough for you.

[Zeev Zeev]

The British participated in "Manhattan" until its closure, the cooperation was terminated only at the end of 1946, during which time the UK received enough data to complete its project.

[Mountain shooter]

That's always the case. Slam the door loudly, and then start frantically searching for the key! As Churchill said: “You can always count on what the Americans will do right - after they try all the other options.”

Source: https://ru.citaty.net/tsitaty/464100-uinston-cherchill-vy-vsegda-mozhete-rasschityvat-chto-amerikantsy-sdel/

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

“You can always count on what the Americans will do right - after they try all the other options.

Mattresses stupidly act in pursuit of their own ambitions. So you can stay with a broken trough. They probably don’t know the proverb about digging a hole for another ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

That's always the case. Slam the door loudly, and then start frantically searching for the key! As Churchill said: “You can always count on what the Americans will do right - after they try all the other options.”

Source: https://ru.citaty.net/tsitaty/464100-uinston-cherchill-vy-vsegda-mozhete-rasschityvat-chto-amerikantsy-sdel/

This phrase is attributed to Churchill, as well as to the former Israeli Foreign Minister with a very indecent Russian-speaking name Abba Eban. Moders, do not kill, well, in kind, they called him like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Eban and probably in Hebrew this means not at all what the Russian-speaking first thinks of.
There is a funny page in English exploring the issue of authorship of this phrase and its original text:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/11/exhaust-alternatives/

[APASUS]

Turkey was not expelled from the S-400, Turkey was expelled due to a change in the vector of US domestic policy. Trump offers to produce everything in America, and the S-400 is just a good excuse. I think they will reduce suppliers to 3-4, only those that are dependent on the Americans will remain direct

[Revolver]

Turkey was expelled mainly due to its insecurity as an ally, due to Erdogan's flirting with Islamism. And the S-400 is just a good excuse.

[Zeev Zeev]

In the Italian company "Leonardo" and in the Israeli "Taasia Avirit" they are rubbing their hands and preparing to redesign part of the production for new orders ...

[voyaka uh]

"nine partner countries participated in the F-35 program:
Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, Great Britain and the USA "////
----
Turkey, because of the course taken by Erdogan to Islamize the country - the only problem
country from the whole list.

[Oquzyurd]

"because of the course taken by Erdogan to Islamize the country" This is half-truth. Turkey is in the center of the Islamic world and Europe. It is now that the ratio of "Muslim value" with "European value" in the country is stabilized. Turkey will never become "Iran" "Arab" in religious sense.
Islamization, phrases in relation to Turkey, an excuse, an excuse from the main thing in the hands of US experts and their supporters. Turkey has become much independent, targeted, and therefore somewhat obedient. The gentlemen don’t like it, they are economically and militarily pressured ...
Although, according to smart heads, everything will be stabilized, and Turkey will be recognized by everyone in today's form.

[voyaka uh]

There are some very definite touches confirming
my words:
1) Turkey's support for the Muslim Brothers in Egypt.
2) Support for Hamas in Gaza.
3) A sharp change in course in relations with Israel: from a military partnership
before the Cold War.
I do not deny that Turkey is an economically developed country with a modern civil
and the military industry. Evolving is good.
But the roll towards radical Islamic organizations is noticeable. Less possible
to obey the United States or Europe, but this does not mean that you need to be friends with the Muslim Brotherhood.

[Oquzyurd]

There is a simple explanation for this. Under the Ottoman Empire, in the Middle East, the main "mental glue" was religion, not ethnicity. After the collapse of the OI and the creation of TR, this religious thread with the Arabs was minimized. Now, Turkey in these territories intends to expand influence The Turks are not so much interested in the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas, the main thing in the masses, in these parts to restore that image of the Islamic country.
All three of these points are inevitable, temporarily.
1) Turkey's support for the Muslim Brothers in Egypt.
2) Support for Hamas in Gaza.
3) A sharp change in course in relations with Israel:
There are prerequisites that relations with Israel will improve.
For me, they are now not so bad, if you leave alone the visible part of the disagreement)

[Keyser soze]

I don’t know about airplanes, but now the Turkish currency has collapsed so that all purchases there are very profitable and vacation on the beaches is almost free. I’m thinking about changing Greek beaches to Turkish in this year. Only find a place that is not infected with the All Inclusive virus ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Now the currency of Turkey has collapsed

For 5 years, the green course has grown there from 2,5 lira to 6,9 lira. Inflation in the region of 10-12%. Unemployment is about 13%.
Given that tourism revenues account for almost half of all state revenues, all indicators will deteriorate in the very near future. It's not up to expensive purchases.
By the way, the refusal of the United States from Turkish components will cost Turkey, under the most favorable conditions, 50-60 thousand jobs.

[Yeraz]

Quote: A. Privalov

Considering that tourism revenues account for almost half of all state revenues,

oh well ??? And you can see the link to this statement? since such a loud statement)

Quote: A. Privalov

By the way, the refusal of the United States from Turkish components will cost Turkey, under the most favorable conditions, 50-60 thousand jobs.

and this one too)

[A. Privalov]

In any case, 35 billion green - tourism income they are missing. In the tourism sector, 2 million Turks worked. Where will they work today?

[Oquzyurd]

From 01.06.2020/32/50. The Turks open the tourist season. There will be no more, no less losses, like the rest of the world. The Turks bought oil and gas at 60 mln.dol. per year, at an oil price of 15-20 dollars per barrel. Now the same volume is bought twice (as min) cheaper, save XNUMX-XNUMX mln. dol. Here is compensation for tourism losses. Do not worry about them, the country of production and their products are sold with demand all over the world.

[Yeraz]

Quote: A. Privalov

In any case, 35 billion green - tourism income they are missing. In the tourism sector, 2 million Turks worked. Where will they work today?

shorter than blah blah, not half of the revenues of the state)

[Oquzyurd]

"Given that tourism revenues account for almost half of all government revenues,"

[no better place for]

Half? You know the subject you are talking about poorly

[rocket757]

Trump has a great desire to return more industries and firms to his territory. He announced this, he will do it, if possible, of course.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: rocket757

he will do it, if possible, of course.

Started with a turkish substitution.

[rocket757]

The graters with the "Sultan" will decide, act as they are accustomed to, as possible.
Damage they have already done, to the Turks, and not small! They will add more, and there they will see how it turns around.

[rotmistr60]

It's a great airplane, but it's just crazy when we expect components from around the world. We must do everything in the USA

Directly according to V. Chernomyrdin: "Never was there, and now again!" The Americans are like that - today they are friends, and tomorrow they disobey and get sanctions with ignorance.

[Pvi1206]

he who seeks will always find .... the dependence of the military-industrial complex on manufacturers of components of third countries does not lead to good .... Russia has already experienced this ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Here the whole world fu-35 can not bring to mind, but at the same time they are driving to Russia, they say what kind of garbage is with the Su-57, why do not let out hundreds))

[qobnvmog]

I believe that Israel will be able to replace all partners combined. They produce wings and helmets for the F35 - they will produce both if necessary.

[veritas]

Not to see Turkey as an American penguin, which is good news in general.

[eklmn]

I totally agree with you! Because the poorer Turkey is, the cheaper itineraries for its beaches !!!

[Oquzyurd]

Logic without logic

[eklmn]

More like logic! Without production of parts for the Penguin, Turkey loses up to approx. $ 10 billion a year. Plus inflation, plus a drop in lira.
Turkey has already turned to the US for financial assistance. So the prices for tours fall ...

[Oquzyurd]

"$ 10 billion per year" The weight of the Turkish package of orders consists of 12 billion dollars .. What are you, what 10 billion. in year???
I already answered above, I repeat,
From 01.06.2020/32/50. The Turks open the tourist season. There will be no more, no less losses, like the rest of the world. The Turks bought oil and gas at 60 mln.dol. per year, at an oil price of 15-20 dollars per barrel. Now the same volume is bought twice (as min) cheaper, save 35-35 mln. dol. Here is compensation for tourism losses to you. The country of production and their goods are in demand around the world. Prices in Turkey are cheaper, yes, cheaper. But not because of the loss of orders F-XNUMX. By the way, to this day they let in and pass in the USA, all the details for the f-XNUMX. This process has not stopped, and you talk about losses and associate them with truism.

[eklmn]

I agree with you !! I used irony / joke unsuccessfully.