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In Kiev, they decided to negotiate with their own representatives of Donbass

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In Kiev, they decided to negotiate with their own representatives of Donbass

Ukraine no longer intends to discuss the Minsk agreements with representatives of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, Kiev will bring its representatives to the next meeting of the contact group on the Donbass. This was stated by the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak.


According to Ermak, Kiev will no longer discuss the situation with the representatives of LDNR, and as representatives of the uncontrolled territories of Donbass, they intend to attract Ukrainian citizens from among the displaced persons (immigrants) who will represent the ORLDO (LDNR) to the next meeting of the contact group in Kiev. The Ukrainian authorities are ready to discuss the Minsk agreements with "citizens of Ukraine" who are not related to "illegal military groups."

Ukraine will represent a group of representatives of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, in particular from among Ukrainian citizens - internally displaced persons who may represent Donetsk and Lugansk regions and put an end to the monopoly on the representation of these territories by unrecognized quasi-state entities

- said a representative of the Zelensky office.

The idea of ​​Kiev to replace the representatives of LDNR with a group of residents of Ukraine became known at the beginning of May this year. The deputy head of the Ukrainian delegation in the tripartite contact group, Aleksey Reznikov, was tasked with selecting 10 Ukrainian citizens from among the internally displaced persons to represent the ORDLO (LDNR).

There is an idea to form this group of representatives of Donbass from lawyers, journalists, businessmen, priests and so on

- stated in Zelensky’s office.

In turn, Moscow and the republics of Donbass warned Kiev against such a step, saying that if this proposal is implemented, Ukraine will negotiate with itself, and not with LDNR.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 May 2020 07: 26 New
    16
    Kiev will bring its representatives.
    Kiev can even pour cava to them. Does Kiev have a conflict with them? repeat
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 17 May 2020 07: 32 New
      88
      Ukraine no longer intends to discuss the Minsk agreements with representatives of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, Kiev will bring its representatives to the next meeting of the contact group on the Donbass.

      And what could be so? !!! wassat
      The main thing is not to stop. If you give your Germans, French and Russians, here it is a meeting in the Norman format with a pleasant and predictable result for the Ukrainian side.
      We go further, because you can hold a G21 summit in Kiev and a meeting of the UN Security Council.
      When a clown is elected president, a circus begins in the country.
      1. cost
        cost 17 May 2020 07: 40 New
        40
        In Kiev, they decided to negotiate with their own representatives of Donbass

        Donbass’s own representatives, Crimea’s own government ... All that is lacking is its own UN and its own IMF smile
        1. tuts
          tuts 17 May 2020 07: 57 New
          20
          then too own representatives of Russia and the USA why trifle
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 May 2020 10: 25 New
            23
            Own "Russian troops"! Which it will be possible, as the need arises, to win grandiosely and crushingly.
            Let the National Bats and the Armed Forces of Ukraine with themselves dog. A bunch of problems will be solved!
          2. venik
            venik 17 May 2020 10: 40 New
            +7
            Quote: tots
            then too own representatives of Russia and the USA why trifle

            =====
            Oooo !!! Shyurt take it! With tongue removed! drinks I really wanted to add - why don't they appoint their own "Putin" and "Trump" (you can even with the prefix "and about."

            And all the "contact in the Minsk format" will roll like clockwork! The main thing is not to forget to put before the signature "Acting Tsar" laughing

            fool lol
        2. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 17 May 2020 09: 11 New
          26
          Quote: Rich
          In Kiev, they decided to negotiate with their own representatives of Donbass

          Donbass’s own representatives, Crimea’s own government ... All that is lacking is its own UN and its own IMF smile

          Why? He appointed someone as head of the IMF and negotiate with him. It’s convenient after all. Let him give money. The main thing is to run away from the orderlies in time. And it smacks of frank psychiatry.
          1. Tutahamon
            Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 20 New
            16
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Why? He appointed someone as head of the IMF and negotiate with him. It’s convenient after all. Let him give money. The main thing is to run away from the orderlies in time. And it smacks of frank psychiatry.

            And instead of Putin, they appointed one of their own and after negotiations he was beaten up and told everyone joyfully ..)))) There were clowns, but to such an extent .. This is already a clinic!
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 17 May 2020 10: 07 New
              +7
              Quote: Tutahamon
              This is a clinic!

              Better immediately to the morgue. yes
              Ukrainian authorities are ready to discuss Minsk agreements with "citizens of Ukraine" who have nothing to do with "illegal military groups"

              I recall the words of one mattress figure:

              "Yes, he is the son of a female dog! But he is our son of a female dog!"

              wassat
              1. Tutahamon
                Tutahamon 17 May 2020 11: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Better to go to the morgue right away

                It is better in Kharkov to restore a psychiatric hospital of union significance .. lol
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                I recall the words of one mattress figure:

                "Yes, he is the son of a female dog! But he is our son of a female dog!"

                This is a well-known phrase of the State Department since the Cold War!
                Now this is called the restoration of shit democracy and human rights .. laughing fellow
        3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 17 May 2020 09: 59 New
          +5
          In the DPR and LPR during the six years of the war, the Ukrainian authorities did everything so that they did not have any confidence.
          1. major147
            major147 17 May 2020 12: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Ukrainian authorities did everything so that they did not have any confidence.

            It remains to write our own "Minsk Agreements", to depict the signatures of their protégés under them .... and for negotiations!
          2. Normal ok
            Normal ok 17 May 2020 21: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            In the DPR and LPR during the six years of the war, the Ukrainian authorities did everything so that they did not have any confidence.

            And on the other hand, with whom to talk? With MMM-schik Pushilin?
        4. 4ekist
          4ekist 17 May 2020 10: 07 New
          +2
          ... as representatives of the uncontrolled territories of Donbass, the next meeting of the contact group in Kiev intends to attract Ukrainian citizens from among the displaced persons (immigrants) ....

          Signed in their own weakness.
        5. Tatyana Pershina
          Tatyana Pershina 17 May 2020 17: 26 New
          +1
          The IMF will not work - we need our own money. True, it is possible to stamp both Euros and Dollars on a copier.
        6. wow
          wow 18 May 2020 17: 12 New
          +1
          Oh yeah! Particularly lacking is its own IMF with its machine tool ...
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 17 May 2020 07: 57 New
        10
        Some kind of nonsense ... will they talk to themselves?

        How can one not negotiate with the people's republics?
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 17 May 2020 09: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Some kind of nonsense ... will they talk to themselves?

          Did the head doctor allow them?
          They have only been hitched so far.
          A straitjacket has not yet been worn.
          And the gag is not stuck.
          That raves in reality.
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          How can one not negotiate with the people's republics?

          Maybe their names are wrong.
          If the republics are popular, then it’s wrong ... Such are the realities of today's geyropa.
          It is sad.
          One thing is good, the mood of the people in Russia is such that the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics have authority and significance above many other priorities. And while this is so, ukroidioti can talk with anyone, about anything, but ... but let them just pickle ....
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 17 May 2020 10: 04 New
            -1
            Allow of course USA de Bank
          2. Tatyana Pershina
            Tatyana Pershina 17 May 2020 17: 29 New
            +2
            "... but let them just peep ..."
            You have a typo. In the word "pick" not "and", but "y"
        2. Kisa
          Kisa 18 May 2020 00: 54 New
          -1
          I apologize and these Pushilin Zakharchenko ... they are appointed there they take off, they blow up I do not have time to keep track of their status? who appoints ?? Well, they refused to hold elections when a couple of years ago ...
      3. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 08: 42 New
        +8
        Quote: Mitroha
        here it is meeting in the Norman format with a pleasant and predictable result for the Ukrainian side.

        If you recall the famous story about their partisan detachment of three people, then there are certain doubts ...
        1. Tutahamon
          Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          If you recall the famous story about their partisan detachment of three people, then there are certain doubts ...

          Where is one traitor? laughing
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 09: 23 New
            +7
            Quote: Tutahamon
            Where is one traitor?

            One, at least ...
            1. Tutahamon
              Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 26 New
              +7
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Quote: Tutahamon
              Where is one traitor?

              One, at least ...

              Two other sympathetic informants ..
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 09: 36 New
                +4
                Quote: Tutahamon
                Two other sympathetic informants ..

                Moreover, diametrically different sides.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 17 May 2020 10: 00 New
                  +4
                  According to Ermak, Kiev will no longer discuss the situation with the representatives of LDNR, and as representatives of the uncontrolled territories of Donbass, they intend to attract Ukrainian citizens from among the displaced persons (immigrants) who will represent the ORLDO (LDNR) to the next meeting of the contact group in Kiev. The Ukrainian authorities are ready to discuss the Minsk agreements with "citizens of Ukraine" who are not related to "illegal military groups."


                  "Quietly with himself ..."and further, in the text, everyone will remember how this verse ends yes
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 10: 21 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    "Quiet with yourself ..."

                    I can offer only this:
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 17 May 2020 10: 24 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Vasyan1971
                      I can offer only this

                      This, of course, is not exactly what the Kuevo "power" is going to do, and not the definition of the process given in my commentary, but it also has the right to be yes
                      1. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 10: 30 New
                        0
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        This, of course, is not exactly what the Kuevo "power" is going to do.

                        Hinting at "hand made"? belay
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 17 May 2020 10: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        Hinting at "hand made"?


                        What else is it like?
              2. Tutahamon
                Tutahamon 17 May 2020 11: 27 New
                -3
                Quote: Vasyan1971
                Quote: Tutahamon
                Two other sympathetic informants ..

                Moreover, diametrically different sides.

                And then they still fight who to pass the Gestapo first ..))))
    2. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 17 May 2020 10: 39 New
      0
      It’s the same as having a conversation with a mirror.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 17 May 2020 10: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Valery Valery
        It’s the same as having a conversation with a mirror.

        С normal a mirror, in which "for some reason" the curved face is reflected ...
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 17 May 2020 11: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Insurgent

          Insurgent, apparently, in this "kingdom" are not quite normal mirrors. wink
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 17 May 2020 11: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            Insurgent, apparently, in this "kingdom" are not quite normal mirrors.


            It's not in the mirror when the erysipelas are crooked ...

            1. sabakina
              sabakina 17 May 2020 11: 36 New
              +1
              Insurgent, you did not understand my promise. When there is only one direct mirror in the kingdom, the rest of the kingdom is hurt.
    3. mig29mks
      mig29mks 17 May 2020 11: 06 New
      +3
      This is a schiz !!! They will sit in kuev and decide with themselves and announce: Agreed !!! lol lol lol
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 17 May 2020 11: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: mig29mks
        This is a schiz !!! They will sit in kuev and decide with themselves and announce: Agreed !!!

        "To the general self-gratification parties " yes
        1. German Titov
          German Titov 17 May 2020 13: 24 New
          +2
          I thought they were grown boys. And they continue their march ... "Zedebil and Downbassyata" is a force. For me, any individual who left his homeland in a difficult time is no one. Let them "to the shit" rub against each other, we are "up to the lamb". Even in the transport of Donetsk, one can distinguish "those who remained" from those who "come in large numbers". Ours will be more polite.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 11: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: mig29mks
        They will sit in kuev and decide with themselves and announce: Agreed !!!

        And then, when, in the process of trying to implement their "agreements," they are shocked, they will run to complain to the "international authorities".
      3. major147
        major147 17 May 2020 12: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: mig29mks
        This is a schiz !!! They will sit in kuev and decide with themselves and announce: Agreed !!! lol lol lol


        It looks like the squirrel Poroshenko has firmly established herself in the Kiev corridors of power.
    4. major147
      major147 17 May 2020 12: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Mitroha
      And what could be so? !!!

      From "their" Russians, you can invite this

      She will also give half of Russia along with Crimea and Donbass
    5. revnagan
      revnagan 17 May 2020 12: 30 New
      -10
      Quote: Mitroha
      And what could be so? !!!

      Why not? wink .
      Quote: Mitroha
      The main thing is not to stop. Give your Germans, French and Russians

      And in the Russian Federation - "their" Chechens good .If the RF is possible, then why the rest, it is impossible?
    6. olhon
      olhon 17 May 2020 13: 55 New
      0
      Bravo, it was possible. laughing
    7. d.zhuk2010
      d.zhuk2010 17 May 2020 18: 59 New
      0
      You can make up a representative American group from among those who received Ross. citizenship, Seagal, Monson, Roy Jones and discuss a new INF Treaty for example or the withdrawal of American troops from Syria. What are the little things.
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 May 2020 07: 33 New
    +4
    Like snakes in a frying pan ... they twist, as they can ... or maybe they are not a lot. The "corridor of opportunities" is shrinking ... Europe has no time for Ukraine. The USA, it seems, too ... And Russia will not fall apart ... The Poles are a weak support, and they despise too ... everyone! Where to go? So they make up all kinds of things - as if this were not politics and the fate of people, but a competition of captains in KVN ...
    1. Well done
      Well done 17 May 2020 07: 57 New
      14
      Quietly I myself am talking.
      Quietly I will come home with myself.
      I’ll drink with myself for my health,
      Quietly with myself I will make love.
      © Copyright: Marat Karimov, 2005
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 17 May 2020 08: 51 New
        +8
        Quote: Welldone
        Quietly with himself

        At night, quietly, with himself.
        I will fill life with love.
        If this proposal is implemented, Ukraine will negotiate with itself, and not with LDN.

        As in a joke:
        - Last night I could 28 times !!!
        - And as a girl.
        - But she did not come. wassat
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 May 2020 07: 34 New
    15
    Kiev will bring its representatives
    This is no longer just stupidity within the framework of complete inadequacy - it is a complete misunderstanding of the real situation and ignorance of everyone and everything. I can imagine if Russia had declared that for negotiations on strategic missile weapons it would not speak with US representatives, but would bring loyal American citizens with it to negotiations, so that would begin. And in this case, the West will pretend that it has not understood something, and some will even support this initiative. It is time for Russia to end the game of Minsk-1,2 ... with Ukraine itself and make a decision on the recognition of the republics with the ensuing actions. There is nothing to lose, tk. we sit under sanctions and will sit every year receiving new ones.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 May 2020 07: 46 New
      +6
      and now it’s all over. Kiev decided to flood the topic by flooding there with people who generally have nothing to do with the topic. Kiev, in fact, is now seeking that we leave the format. at the same time they will tell everyone that we disrupted the negotiations. children's and predicted move. and right now, since all sides have a lot of problems and everyone is definitely not up to Zelensky. their technologists are of course with brains but so predictable ...
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 May 2020 07: 40 New
    +2
    Kiev only needs a media picture. Zelensky's people are negotiating with the people of Donbass. Except for exchange players, nobody in the world is interested in the truth.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 08: 38 New
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      Kiev only needs a media picture. Zelensky's people are negotiating with the Donbass people.


  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 May 2020 07: 47 New
    0
    Zelensky decided to show the presence of imitation of character? Or, the sponsors of the Maidan and the nationalists threatened with a tough revenge, if it would continue to dawn to ignore their commands?
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    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 17 May 2020 08: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: 30143
      Odnoklassniki and Vkontakte again banned. Although the people have already jumped to other networks. Another year, another and about the fraternal RF will be remembered only by the guardsmen.

      So they also screamed about it ... Russia is an enemy, and ALL Ukrainians will hate it tomorrow ... quickly, quickly, very quickly. But no way. Do not break the connection.
      1. major147
        major147 17 May 2020 12: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Do not break the connection.

        Something not my sister from Kiev, who came to me last August and wondered how the difference between the picture shown in Ukraine about Russia and what she saw here, not my nieces, do not break ties with me. The relatives of my wife from Kirovogradcheni also do not call us "occupiers". Why's that?
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 17 May 2020 10: 06 New
      0
      In contact, both used and used
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 17 May 2020 10: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Kronos
        In contact, both used and used


        On the extension of the law banning Russian social networks, and on the peculiar incident of the adopted "package" with this ban:

        Mussolini's granddaughter commented on the lifting of Ukrainian sanctions against her

        IVAN POMIDOROV MAY 17, 2020, 03:10

        This is "restoring the truth," she says.
        The granddaughter of the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, Alessandra Mussolini, considers the lifting of Ukrainian sanctions against her to be a "restoration of truth." This is how she commented on the fact that President Zelensky, by decree No. 184/2020, excluded Alessandra Mussolini from the sanctions list.

        "As I already reported, and officially informed the Italian Consulate in Kiev on November 15, 2019, I have never been to Ukraine and, accordingly, in no way participated in any political or social events in this country, either directly or indirectly. I did not have the opportunity to express any assessments regarding the political situation in Ukraine, and there was no direct or indirect relations with the politicians of this country. At one time I considered this sanction completely unfounded, and today I take into account the fact that it was canceled. helps to restore the truth, "- said the granddaughter of Mussolini.

        The aforementioned decree No. 184/2020 approves the NSDC decision on changes in the sanctions list of Ukraine. She became a figurant of the Ukrainian sanctions list back in March 2019. The reason for the imposition of sanctions against her was considered her participation as an "observer" in the so-called "elections" in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions. However, this was a mistake: Alessandra Mussolini never "watched" the "elections" in ORDLO, but was included in the last year's sanctions list because she was confused with Alessandro Musolino. The latter, a representative of the right-wing Forza Italia party, was not included in the sanctions list.


        Short, full:
        https://vesti.ua/strana/vnuchka-mussolini-prokommentirovala-otmenu-ukrainskih-sanktsij-protiv-nee?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ua%2Fnews
    3. major147
      major147 17 May 2020 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: 30143
      only the guardsmen.

      Well, these are your "Kyiv" with rainbow flags go!
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 17 May 2020 07: 50 New
    +6
    American little things (technology) They will want to recognize their Juano Gaido and bring him to power.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 17 May 2020 07: 54 New
    +3
    There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders ...
  • K-50
    K-50 17 May 2020 07: 57 New
    +4
    Ukraine no longer intends to discuss the Minsk agreements with representatives of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, Kiev will bring its representatives to the next meeting of the contact group on the Donbass.

    So you can’t go anywhere and not.
    Sit yourself in Kuev and discuss. fellow laughing
    Whom will they represent? fool
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 08: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: K-50
      So you can’t go anywhere and not.
      Sit yourself in Kuev and discuss.

      What about "business trip" and "representative"?
      The main thing here is not war, the main thing is maneuvers.
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      1. major147
        major147 17 May 2020 12: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: 30143
        not looking for enemies around the world ...

        You yourself appointed us as enemies on the Maidan, so the beloved "and us for what !?" won't help you!
      2. major147
        major147 17 May 2020 12: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: 30143
        if matskva

        Please write correctly the capital of Russia correctly. After all, we try to write

        right, although it’s hard for us to refrain from laughing, and moderators from punishment!
        1. 30143
          30143 17 May 2020 16: 29 New
          0
          laughing
          And yourself, what? Are you offended?
          1. major147
            major147 17 May 2020 18: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: 30143
            laughing
            And yourself, what? Are you offended?

            How can one be offended by people whose capital is called, as shown above in the picture! request Thanks to Ukrainian education with all its "miracles", you just really may not know how to spell Moscow correctly lol
  • svp67
    svp67 17 May 2020 08: 03 New
    +6
    Ukraine no longer intends to discuss the Minsk agreements with representatives of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, Kiev will bring its representatives to the next meeting of the contact group on the Donbass. This was stated by the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak.
    In short, they decided to completely abandon the "Minsk Agreements". The next step is forceful actions, otherwise it will not be given.
    As a countermeasure, I propose to pull Yanukovych out from under Rostov, help him form a government in exile and bring his representatives to Minsk to talk with them ...
  • martin-159
    martin-159 17 May 2020 08: 23 New
    +1
    The idea is good, it would be nice for us to do this in negotiations with Japan.
  • Uma palata
    Uma palata 17 May 2020 08: 28 New
    +7
    Onanizm, however.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 17 May 2020 08: 30 New
    +2
    In turn, Moscow and the republics of Donbass warned Kiev against such a step, saying that if this proposal is implemented, Ukraine will negotiate with herselfand not with LDNR.

    So they will definitely agree.
    Although, of course, not a fact ...
  • Andrey83
    Andrey83 17 May 2020 08: 32 New
    +6
    In this case, LDNR needs to bring its representatives from Ukraine to the Minsk meeting.
    1. major147
      major147 17 May 2020 12: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey83
      In this case, LDNR needs to bring its representatives from Ukraine to the Minsk meeting.

      Is LDNR worth being likened to the Kyivsk hands-on?
  • gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 17 May 2020 08: 50 New
    +6
    This is an ingenious solution for all conflicts in the world, Jews travel with their Arabs, Turks with their Kurds, etc., the UN is yesterday.
  • Tutahamon
    Tutahamon 17 May 2020 08: 51 New
    +1
    The clowns are bloody, I can’t say anything else ..
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 May 2020 08: 57 New
    +1
    If you use this logic, for example, to consider the murder case or the management of world finances.
    We appoint the person responsible for the murder of a neighbor on the site and are in talks with him? We must also appoint the head of the IMF and the World Bank, and then credits will be credited to Ukraine ...
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 31 New
      -3
      Quote: APASUS
      If you use this logic, for example, to consider the murder case or the management of world finances.
      We appoint the person responsible for the murder of a neighbor on the site and are in talks with him? We must also appoint the head of the IMF and the World Bank, and then credits will be credited to Ukraine ...

      Do you think they invented it themselves? American humor and propaganda patterns are felt ..
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex 17 May 2020 09: 01 New
    0
    Meanwhile, the move is tricky. Ukrov now has big problems in negotiations:
    1) they are not allowed to freely interpret the sequence of actions
    2) they went too far in refusing direct negotiations with LDNR, and this leads to the presence of Russians and the constant criticism of Kiev, even from within
    3) they are in no way able to advance the idea of ​​revising the agreements, or at least Minsk-3
    4) the internationally recognized status of a mediator in the negotiations does not allow the Ukrainians to fully "fight with Russia", they are always forced to recognize the conflict as an internal one, or to agree with such a recognition from F and G.
    Their negotiators easily solve these problems. They will agree with a free interpretation, and recognize Russia's participation as unnecessary, and declare a deadlock in the negotiations, and agree to the new Minsk-X. Moreover, all this is on an initiative basis, with accusations against Russia, and most importantly, this will make it possible to "come to an agreement" and deprive Russia of the status of an intermediary.
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    1. NKT
      NKT 17 May 2020 10: 09 New
      +5
      Strange, however, you have a logic. And here is Russia, and especially the United States? What did the hegemon forget in this part of the world?

      Negotiations should be conducted by Ukraine with the republics, of course, if it needs them. At one time, the Russian Federation was negotiating with representatives of the Chechen Republic's illegal armed forces, although they made up 1-2% of the republic’s inhabitants.
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  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 May 2020 09: 18 New
    +4
    I haven’t watched the Ukrainian series for a long time, and I don’t want to comment on degradation ...
    But this news is the height of cynicism fool
    After all, it’s time for Zelensky to understand that the game of presidency in the series and reality are completely different things !!! request It’s one thing to play for fun, and another to play with the real fate of people ... People can forget the series, but they will remember a real lie for a very long time .... You can hang noodles in the movies with beautiful words, but in reality they can hurt you for your fraud.
    Shame ... As Americans degrade, their vassals also degrade behind them ... Sadness ....
    But as they say, if God wants to punish anyone, then he robs his mind .... winked
  • usr01
    usr01 17 May 2020 09: 23 New
    +3
    Why carry? Sit yourself in Kiev and yourself, with your left hand ... APSDUCH!
    Is there life on Mars, how to "return" Crimea, how many devils can fit on the tip of a needle, etc. etc. .....
    What?! burning topics no ???? fool fellow
  • AVA77
    AVA77 17 May 2020 09: 25 New
    -1
    I wanted to comment. (I thought! There are no thoughts, emptiness). I guess I'm stupid, but on the other hand I can think a lot and don’t need it. We don’t think when walking that we can step on the bug. We just go to the store or the hairdresser, but where whatever. The goal of saving your own! And no matter how many bugs we crush, along the way.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 May 2020 09: 39 New
    +1
    you guessed it or Uncle Sam again suggested? ....
  • oldzek
    oldzek 17 May 2020 09: 40 New
    0
    I don’t understand ... look for someone to negotiate, which you generally don’t need ... well, sit in front of the mirror and negotiate in the direction you need. and you will be happy.
  • Ethnarchist
    Ethnarchist 17 May 2020 09: 41 New
    0
    Why gunpowders didn’t die)) glory to quarantine!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 20 New
    +4
    "he is with himself, he leads the demon e food!" It happens and not so in this world, not the rarest option.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 May 2020 11: 41 New
      +5
      They apparently don’t know this song, but generally don’t even know what to call it ... hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 May 2020 11: 50 New
        +3
        They have a "dashing chief medical officer" on medicine "scythe" walked! Including psychiatry !!!
        The consequences were not long in coming!
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 May 2020 11: 54 New
          +3
          It’s interesting who thought of them, I have an assumption, who also acts ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 May 2020 12: 14 New
            +1
            The method is not unique ... the greatest masters on their islands sit and climb, climb everywhere.
  • macsim.mysl
    macsim.mysl 17 May 2020 10: 37 New
    +2
    How interesting it may be for me to appoint my own tax inspector, anyway, it will be less than one and a half lyam. It seems that a little squirrel came to visit a squirrel of strait.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 May 2020 11: 53 New
      +1
      After the "woman with a scythe" from their psychiatry, little remains! There is no one to assign a restraining argument!
  • BMP-2
    BMP-2 17 May 2020 10: 41 New
    +4
    ... And the right hand decided to come to an agreement with the left, bypassing the head directly! :)) And they began to communicate with each other through ... ("The Gospel from the bulldozer")
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 17 May 2020 10: 43 New
    +2
    Let them agree in a psychiatric hospital in Kiev, next to Napoleon’s ward, the office is laughing
  • Alexander Barinov
    Alexander Barinov 17 May 2020 11: 06 New
    0
    The ethnic group of Ukraine * for the most part imagines itself to be the last of the ancient idols of Khazaria.
  • Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 17 May 2020 11: 09 New
    +2
    it will be the beginning of the end of the current Ukrainian state
    Ukraine still has a legitimate president - Yanukovych
    + there are 2 army corps in LDNR
    + "north wind" to help
    the collapse of Ukraine will be even closer
    even Kiev itself will depart to Little Russia: Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv, Mariupol, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Kryvyi Rih, Kremenchug, Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr
    - more than half of Ukraine,
    it is also likely that the whole of Ukraine will change its course to pro-Russian
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    2. beeper
      beeper 17 May 2020 11: 58 New
      -1
      hi But what about Elisavetgrad, comrade Romario_Argo ??! wink
      But only not the "uncontested European integrators" Yanukovych and Azarov (with their "regional" camarilla of the nouveau riche "inter-factional majority" ZRada), who, immediately after being elected to power, betrayed us, all their voters, and, in a bloc with notorious Banderonazis and kleptoligarchs - "w / Banderas", created all the prerequisites for the "Euromaidan" and its bloody "peremog" - the civil war in Ukraine !!! negative
      It is a pity that these evil-minded Iudomazepines were not caught up by their own Maidan "cronies" - kleptoderiban ex-Ukrainian SSR colleagues and slave "Euroassociation"! am
    3. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 17 May 2020 13: 10 New
      0
      If....
      It seems like a long time.
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 17 May 2020 13: 26 New
      -3
      Yanuvich hasn’t needed anyone for a long time, but it’s not even funny
  • cniza
    cniza 17 May 2020 11: 38 New
    +5
    In turn, Moscow and the republics of Donbass warned Kiev against such a step, saying that if this proposal is implemented, Ukraine will negotiate with itself, and not with LDNR.


    "Quietly I am conducting a conversation with myself", this is a serious diagnosis ...
  • beeper
    beeper 17 May 2020 11: 43 New
    +2
    This is all from the same Maydaun "cycle":
    Quietly rustling slate, the roof goes slowly ??!
    fool
    Is it really destructive ameroholui, bloody Kiev klepto "clowns (enemies of the people)", so overplayed, zombified with this foolish "Ameryka for us!" That they do not give themselves a real account of what is happening in Ukraine and in the world ??!
    Or consider other people as "fabulous idiots" like themselves ??! winked
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 17 May 2020 11: 45 New
    +2
    Well, as they say: quietly with himself ...
  • fraders
    fraders 17 May 2020 12: 06 New
    +2
    as Lavrov said: DB
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 May 2020 12: 07 New
    +2
    To take this bunch of insane people seriously and demand the same from others is to be one ourselves. In general, it is high time for the United Nations to raise the issue of compulsory treatment of mentally ill and strict quarantine measures in the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 May 2020 12: 53 New
    +1
    It is necessary for Russia then to change the representatives of "ukrainy" to yanyka, for example, at least he was legally chosen and in fact is much more legitimate than the junta.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 May 2020 12: 54 New
    0
    And rightly so: it will not affect the outcome of the "negotiation process". Another thing surprises: they took this fateful decision for too long.
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 May 2020 13: 08 New
    +2
    Knock on the door at night:
    - open up!
    - what for?
    - you need to talk!
    - How many are you?
    - two
    - Well, talk to each other.
  • German Titov
    German Titov 17 May 2020 13: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Mitroha
    Ukraine no longer intends to discuss the Minsk agreements with representatives of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, Kiev will bring its representatives to the next meeting of the contact group on the Donbass.

    And what could be so? !!! wassat
    The main thing is not to stop. If you give your Germans, French and Russians, here it is a meeting in the Norman format with a pleasant and predictable result for the Ukrainian side.
    We go further, because you can hold a G21 summit in Kiev and a meeting of the UN Security Council.
    When a clown is elected president, a circus begins in the country.


    Believe it or not, there are "Crimeans" of their own, with all branches of government.
  • German Titov
    German Titov 17 May 2020 13: 33 New
    0
    Yes, remember, in April 2014, some "" from the "Renatov" circle tried to persuade us (Levchenko in my opinion). Lyashko in April tried to release the regional council. I barely managed to get on "litak". Would not wake up famously.
  • Motorist
    Motorist 17 May 2020 13: 46 New
    0
    replace the representatives of LDNR with a group of residents of Ukraine

    - Open - the police!
    - Why?
    - We need to talk ...
    “How many of you?”
    - Two.
    - Well, here and talk ...
  • Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent 17 May 2020 15: 00 New
    0
    It is necessary to negotiate and fix on video shoots so that these Bandera people later could not move out, that it was not they who did not want a peace treaty.
    Although they even defecate in the eyes, all of God's dew.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 May 2020 15: 09 New
    0
    Quote: 30143
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    ... And Russia will not fall apart in any way ... The Poles are a weak support, and they despise too much ... everyone! ...

    And remember how they shouted that Ukraine had half a year or a year left.
    And already 6 years have passed. This means that it is even wrong with forecasts or forecasters. And how did all these Kiselev, Skabeeva and Solovyov broadcast to us? Oh, but Ukraine is standing. And if not for the help of the fraternal people, who decided to get in their boots "to help" the former criminal-puss, then everything would be calm. But, as always, we have what we have.
    Odnoklassniki and Vkontakte again banned. Although the people have already jumped to other networks. Another year, another and about the fraternal RF will be remembered only by the guardsmen.

    by the way ...... yesterday in VK in the Svetlovodsk group online (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BB%D0% BE% D0% B2% D0% BE% D0% B4% D1% 81% D0% BA) we very very intensively discussed this signing and most importantly everyone supported everything)))))))) and decided to expand and increase the presence of citizens of Ukraine in VK ....... this is about where people jumped from VK and OK ....
  • 113262a
    113262a 17 May 2020 15: 10 New
    0
    Something is not funny even once! The politicians told us in the spring of 14, too, no one would bomb the city, the 21st century in the yard, THEIR Europe will gobble up for it !!! It is only necessary to cut off friendship trains until May 11, and then ... In short, another KRYMNASH! And we were very .... SURPRISED when, first, in Slavyansk, and then in the Lugansk region, both aviation and artwork worked. And now, the most moronic forecasts may come true. And after all, we swallow this pill. It happens !!!
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 May 2020 15: 19 New
    +2
    If I understand correctly, ZeKo are not going to negotiate and implement the agreements on Minsk. Well, in principle, if the almost daily deaths of Ukrainian servicemen do not bother them, then so be it. For us, in principle, "in a handehoch", it was not us ZeKo promised peace, but to his citizens ... they were torturers - let them remain ... he is not the first Ukrainian president that the "member wiped" on his electorate
  • German Titov
    German Titov 17 May 2020 15: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Kiev will bring its representatives.
    Kiev can even pour cava to them. Does Kiev have a conflict with them? repeat


    As my friend (Sanya Saydashev, (Crimea) UBD Afghanistan (help to find) said - prepare bags for the export of the "200s". We are hospitable people by definition. Who
  • German Titov
    German Titov 17 May 2020 15: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Kiev will bring its representatives.
    Kiev can even pour cava to them. Does Kiev have a conflict with them? repeat


    As my friend (Sanya Saydashev, (Crimea) UBD Afghanistan (help to find) said - prepare bags for the export of the "200s". We are hospitable people by definition. Who
  • yasvet
    yasvet 17 May 2020 15: 40 New
    0
    Meanwhile, in LPR, a new history textbook is being prepared for release.