Our real tomorrow: mummers or guardians?





The mail has arrived. From Voronezh. It’s somewhat disruptive, such as “What kind of chaos is happening”, but the essence is simple: on May 9, leaning on all the bans, a number of citizens who had similarities with the reenactors arranged a certain event.

In general, nothing quite like that, well, they came, laid flowers, showed portraits of veterans on cameras. It is clear that all this was contrary to the decree of the governor, but in general the decree there wasn’t really that way ... To drop sneakers, hurry to sit at home on May 9. In general, this is on everyone’s conscience; he himself did not sit at home. What others to judge?

I don’t want to discuss the fact that distances, masks, because everything is just nonsense.

So from the entire letter for consideration I took only the negative in relation to what was hanging on the chests of some reenactors.

In general, that moment most of all plunged into the negative of the reader. Well, I agree, the order of Glory in the form of a citizen ... well, it doesn’t look at all.

I started to understand. And the further, the more interesting it became.

So in the style of the late Zadornov I’ll ask everyone who is interested to be patient, everything is really not so simple and even informative.

To begin with, I venture to give a definition of who, where and how can hang something on myself from: awards, copies, signs, badges and so on.

Naturally, I couldn’t untwist all of this myself, therefore I asked for help, which they didn’t refuse me, and they explained everything so coolly.

Therefore, using my right, I want to express my most sincere gratitude to the experts who spent a lot of their personal time on me:

Maxim Bochkov
Dmitry Bystrov
Elena Kirillova
Andrei Bondar


These people are very famous in the reconstruction environment, so I'm sure the level of my experts is more than adequate.

And now let's go and go from the very beginning.

About what is happening in our country in terms of awards, I will say later. In the end. Although it’s all in the know, that is complete mess and mess. But then our reality is simultaneously with the generals from the press services.

But still, the Great Patriotic War is still something unshakably holy. And the rewards of that war still (with rare exceptions) do not touch with dirty hands. And the rare exceptions due to the Internet are very quickly exposed to ridicule and condemnation, so that for now you can fall asleep.

Let me emphasize the word “Bye”. Fat like that.

In the meantime, a man in a military uniform of the times of World War II with awards of the same time on this uniform can appear before us without conviction in just a few cases:

1. He is a participant in the filming of a historical film.
2. He is a member of the theatrical production, both on the stage and outside it.


In principle, historical reconstruction is a variant of theatrical production. And in this aspect, I completely without problems and remorse allow the participants of this event to wear copies of awards for the sake of historical conformity.

In our example, which in the photo, of course, we are not talking about reconstruction. This is the usual civil procedure for laying flowers on Memorial Day performed by people dressed in the uniform of soldiers of that time. Are such fake rewards appropriate here? Yes, and the form itself is not particularly appropriate. This is still not part of the theatrical performance, it must be understood.

In this case, I am sorry that the club leader, who allowed such an (probably uncoordinated) event, thought only of PR.

I am well aware of who these people are, I will not give names and surnames precisely because I do not want to do additional advertising. What these citizens did is not entirely beautiful, and defiant at the same time. And we will end with this, of course, they may have their own position on this issue, but it is not entirely appropriate here.

But let's talk about the awards in full.

For those who are not in the know, it will be interesting to know that there are rewards in the reconstruction movement. Actually, this is logical. Military historical clubs are often quite registered organizations, of course, public organizations, and therefore have the right to release their order products.

From the point of view of the law, everything is clean.

But there is a nuance.

As one of the experts explained to me, club awards, as well as awards dedicated to events held, they are deliberately ordered very similar to real ones. Intentionally, for what purpose: in order to use them as props in performances.

This is done as follows: the order (or medal) is ordered so as to be as similar as possible from a distance to the original. And point-blank, from a distance of 2-3 meters, it would be obvious that this is not even a copy, but ... however, judge for yourself.



From these figures it is clear that the Order of Glory is one thing, and the "Order" of the Glory of the Red Army is another. But from a distance, one really does not understand what a person hangs there. Order, copy or "order".

And almost every of the reenactors has a whole collection of such “orders” and “medals”.

Our real tomorrow: mummers or guardians?

This is a collection of one of the experts.

As I understood from the answers to my questions, there is no system in this matter. Installation documents too. My questions about how and who can wear what, received answers, from which it followed that all this was personally on the conscience of each individual person.

Here is what one of the interviewees told me:

“Specifically, there is no award system in the reconstruction movement. There is one general rule: these state awards can only be worn, but this, as you know, is rare. (Let me remind you, the Order of the Red Star, Red Banner, the medal "For Courage" and "For Military Merit" people received in Afghanistan. - Auth.)

Wearing state decorations native of that time is NOT YOURSELF punished. Stylized for those awards to the point of confusion and other trinkets for participating in some event, you can wear it, but all this is left to the conscience and vanity of the re-enactor.

If it is about putting on something to participate in the reconstruction, such things are done only with the permission of the organizer and only stylized. That is, from 3 meters it is the Order of the Red Banner, closer we see a slightly smaller size, and inside it says “Battlefield 2017”.

I personally put on a reward when appropriate, wearing one reward. And then, if an ordinary, then I don’t put on a fight at all. If I win back the victorious soldier who returned from the front after the victory, then 1-2 soldiers’s awards. And all the trinkets I never hang. "

Actually, here. Everything is very well formulated and gives a complete picture for understanding.

That is, anyone who wants to can wear anything. Self-regulation, so to speak. And effective, because today it’s difficult for me to imagine a person in a reconstruction environment who will carry two metals on himself. They will dishonor their own.

If you think about it, there is nothing like this here, except for this very similarity. You look at the medal - it seems to be taking Vienna. Point blank - nothing like that.



It is very difficult to determine the line of reason in this case. On the one hand - it seems like a good idea, and nobody touches real awards, on the other - this similarity has plunged and will plunge into fury those who understand this.

That's it, we finish with the reenactors before the end of the material and move on to the answer to the question that always worried those who have a mind. That is: what to do?

And everything is very simple. So that no one worries and does not fall into a righteous rage, you just need to make sure that everyone does not care.

And to do it is very simple. Easier than anyone ever thinks.

It is necessary that no one pay attention to a person with rewards in a uniform / jacket. Whatever it is, even the Hero of Russia.

Although everything is already normal with the Hero of Labor of Russia, after the merits of Mr. Rotenberg. Work, so to speak, is underway.



However, the Hero of Russia Sergey Vladimirovich Kiriyenko also, except for a crooked smirk, causes nothing.

Hero of the Russian Federation (Hero of Russia - an unofficial version of the name) - the state award of the Russian Federation - the highest rank awarded for services to the state and people associated with the performance of a heroic feat.

What the heroic feat of Mr. Kirienko was, we obviously will never know.

How the discrediting of the order and medals of the order "For Merit to the Fatherland" is in full swing. They reward everyone ... They just reward everyone.

Citizens of Finland, for example, Ksenia Frank and Elena Timchenko. Order of Friendship. The daughter and wife of the most famous person in the country, Gennady Timchenko. Citizenship of Mrs. Frank does not prevent the latter from working in various structures under the President of Russia.

Medals for the Order of Merit to the Fatherland are distributed to rappers and pop singers, bloggers of both sexes, designers and fashion designers. The medal “For participation in the military operation in Syria” was awarded not only to those who fought and offered cartridges, but also to numerous artists who came with concerts.

For comparison, just for comparison: Lev Leshchenko, who skated in parts in Afghanistan from 1982 to 1989 and gave more than one hundred concerts there, was not awarded a military award. Order of the Badge of Honor.


The list of winners can be continued indefinitely. But there are all "their", so there is nothing, there is no sense.

However, there is one more point.

Education of the younger generations.

In general, the awarding of all the space on a uniform, tunic or jacket is an obligatory attribute of a totalitarian state. And here we also have complete order. Cadet schools, cadet corps, Cossack schools and corps work tirelessly in that field.








There is nothing to comment on. Everything, as they say, is in the photo.

But then what? And then these cadets, Cossacks and Suvorov troops will have a service. Well, with the majority. And immunity to metal tinkling on a tunic. And dozens of products from the assortment of “order products”, which are annually produced by the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Federal Security Service, the Federal Security Service, the Federal Penitentiary Service and other government agencies.

And of course, without "help" from public organizations in any way. There, starting with the strangest products from the Communist Party, which are essentially the same as the “medals” of the reenactors, and in fact became the first alterations in the history of the country.

About the Cossacks, as they say, "Hussars, keep quiet !!!"

Total And what is the “total”? And we have a very peculiar situation in the country.

The state stamps medals at an accelerated pace (the Ministry of Defense introduced 2012 departmental awards from 2020 to 53) and distribute them at the same pace. Let not everyone, but everyone who has the opportunity to receive.

Public organizations ... You know, just go to the site of an enterprise such as Chelznak to assess the scale of production. There are thousands of “orders” and medals for all occasions.

And even today you cannot really figure out (without being a specialist) where the state award is, where the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, where else what public organization. And it will only get worse, because the youngest carriers of Soviet awards, that is, the "Afghans", today are all 50 years old and older.




Soon they will be lost completely against the backdrop of a sparkling waterfall that adorns modern media.

What can I say, in the near future, if nothing changes in the policy of victory by May 9, we are doomed to the mass appearance of "reenactors of veterans of the Great Patriotic War."

That is, those who are today called "mummers." Who is laughed at and to whom the inconclusive statements to the authorities are written.

Soon real veterans of that war will go down in history. All. Ascribed to themselves years, sons of regiments, that's all. The idea that we can get to this does not give me real peace of mind. Before the reconstruction of the Great Patriotic War veterans. But everything tells us that we have a lot ahead and everything is moving towards that.

After all, the state itself encourages and arranges premium lawlessness. Moreover, without reporting specifically what heroic deeds of the same kind were accomplished by the same gentlemen Kiriyenko and Shoigu. Say I'm clinging? Sorry, that’s what the award’s statute says. Heroic feat! Where??? When???

Discrediting, followed by depreciation in the eyes of everyone and everything. Not the most beautiful future, is it? But the other is somehow not observed.

And now, in fact, the finale. And back to the reenactors.

I confess that, communicating with my voluntary assistants (once again, special thanks for the educational program to Elena and Dmitry), and then studying the topic, I very much changed my opinion on this issue.

I am sure that the reenactors will be surprised most of all now.

My conclusion is this: in a good way, the whole community of reenactors needs to think carefully about the fact that after a while, quite, incidentally, a little, they will remain the only custodians of the “correct” appearance of the victorious soldiers.

Therefore, it would be better to leave aside these badges in the style of the Communist Party, incomprehensible and inaudible, and for reconstruction, yes, it is during the reconstruction to use copies of these awards. In accordance with the reconstruction time.

In the end, I personally do not see anything wrong with that. If we accept that the re-enactor is an artist, an actor, depicting a soldier or officer of the Great Patriotic War or World War II, in the form and equipment as close as possible to the original, then why instead of awards corresponding to the era, you have to cling to it, don’t understand what?

I emphasize very boldly: only at events.

All other club meetings, rehearsals, civic events are best done without entourage at all.

Here is a soldier. Here is his form, here is his weapon. And here are his rewards.

And yes, I will allow myself to imagine that in 10 years, when there will definitely be no more veterans, it is precisely these people who will tell their children by example that this order in the form of a star was paid in blood. The same red.

And this is great, because bloggers, businessmen, rappers and others will never tell anyone how their rewards were paid. How will we never know what feat Hero of Russia Kiriyenko accomplished.

Therefore, I do not see anything shameful in applying (that is) as the props of copies of USSR awards by the rectors. On the contrary, one good. Credibility. And if for each award a person knows by heart its history, statute, the number of recipients, then in general.

Since, in essence, reenactors are actually keepers of history, no matter how inconsistent this community is (yes, there is something to criticize for), in fact, only they are those who can really show in the future “how it was” .

Well, not in the end, after all, count on the Russian Ministry of Culturelessness?

And as one historical character said: “To keep is an honorable thing too ...”

This is the kind of thinking. To the anger of the day and with one single piece of advice to the reenactors: you should think and give up Zyuganov’s practice of sculpting, don’t understand anything on the basis of old Soviet awards.

Well, if you comply - so in full. It will not be worse.

P.S. Perhaps I disappointed the people who wrote to us. Sorry, but this is an investigation. And against the background of what is happening in the country as a whole, the reenactors are far from the most harmful part of our society. And in my opinion - very useful. Although not the easiest to communicate often.
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  1. alone 18 May 2020 15: 13 New
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    He remembered Sharapov, who tore the Order of the Patriotic War from Fox ..
    Who needs these fake orders and medals? Now there is such a fashion, every fourth in the general’s uniform, his chest is full of some kind of awards. And when you ask what kind of order and for what I got it, they scream: "I shed blood in the war! Provocateur, you villain!" .. And I’m 70 years old no more ..
    And cadets with medals are generally hilarious .. It's time to end with this comedy
    1. Svarog 18 May 2020 15: 50 New
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      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk ...
      1. alone 18 May 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk.

        My uncle fought in 2 wars: Finnish and Great Patriotic War .. only 1 order and 4 medals .. And these pieces have 15 on their chest .. For 15-16 years old ..
        1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 00 New
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          Quote: lonely
          And these pieces have 15 on their breasts ... Samim 15-16 years ..

          Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.
          1. alone 18 May 2020 16: 02 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.

            Exactly good
            1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 11 New
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              Quote: lonely
              Exactly

              They are already fed up with these mumbled dungs ​​“first-called” with “chains” and “foliage”, they still need to immediately place a bronze bust instead of a head, so that immediately a monument-man, the first transformer in the world. wassat
              1. alone 18 May 2020 16: 14 New
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                laughing laughing I saw a photo of the chieftain, sitting so proud, on the chest of 40 pieces of orders and medals .. and among them the USSR-icon "Mother Heroine." belay I didn’t even look that I was hooked on a tunic wassat wassat
                1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 20 New
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                  Quote: lonely
                  I saw a photo of the chieftain, he is sitting so proud, on the chest of 40 pieces of orders and medals .. and among them is the USSR-icon "Mother Heroine." I didn’t even look that I was hooked on a tunic

                  Well, there is a dedicated work to them! good
                  There was a dung somewhere in the distance.
                  On the chest was a medal:
                  "For courage", "For the victory",
                  "For a pleasant chat,"
                  "For the scientific works"
                  "For the protection of the whole environment",
                  two astronaut medals,
                  Warcraft player order,
                  putting the TRP symbol,
                  "Passage THAT",
                  Pregnancy Club "Crane",
                  Wardrobe DK "Hydraulics",
                  "Altavista dot com",
                  "Society of fungus patients",
                  The captain of the game "Zarnitsa"
                  "Gomel mental hospital",
                  snuffbox, and flint,
                  eight caps from beer,
                  "Gypsy Dance Festival"
                  "Crane operator, work in a helmet!"
                  "Beware of the bike,"
                  "Thirty-eight Years of Victory"
                  Order of the RSFSR,
                  secret order "Templar"
                  gum liner "Lyolik-Bolik"
                  "Anonymous alcoholic",
                  "Club of wine connoisseurs",
                  Symbol of shit punk,
                  SUSE-Linux, Business Tim,
                  In “РўС‹ РЅРґР ° - ”РІРѕСЂРѕРґ РїРѕР ± СЂР ° тим”
                  "The most experienced driver"
                  "The best boar-maker",
                  sign "Honorary diver",
                  sticker "Yeltsin-ganduras (mat)",
                  Oktyabryatskaya star,
                  "The heroine mother of labor"
                  blood type, and Ay-Pi,
                  and the pacific on the chain.
                2. akunin 19 May 2020 17: 02 New
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                  Quote: lonely
                  and among them is the USSR-icon "Mother Heroine."


                  in general, this is an order. maybe in a past life he was a Cossack, gave birth to children, and on vacation, in Thailand (drunk), he got a demon (cut off at the top, sewn at the bottom).
                3. Boris Arbel (Latuha) 19 May 2020 21: 56 New
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                  amusing regiments, amusing schools, amusing awards. Is your army accidentally not amusing?
              2. Revival 18 May 2020 19: 56 New
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                Right to the point
              3. Revival 18 May 2020 19: 57 New
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                Empty people, especially strive to fill the inner void with external tinsel.
                This is a diagnosis ...
              4. New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 41 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                They are already fed up with these mumbled dungs ​​"first-called" with "chains" and "foliage"

                this is a disease request
                1. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 22: 50 New
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                  this is a disease

                  I trust you as a doctor :)
          2. WIKI 18 May 2020 17: 21 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.

            Many fans of show-offs can be found among white-haired gray hair. The value of the awards, as my father said, was determined by the fact that money was paid for them. He had four of these. And the rest is all bling.
        2. tihonmarine 18 May 2020 16: 35 New
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          Quote: lonely
          My uncle fought in 2 wars: Finnish and Great Patriotic War .. only 1 order and 4 medals.

          My father has Finnish to Japanese, a battery commander, two orders, one for the Second World War, the second for the Japanese, and four medals
        3. Old tanker 19 May 2020 09: 27 New
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          My grandfather went Finnish and in the fall of the 41st crippled near Leningrad. A personnel officer in the intelligence battalion. The most valuable award "For the Defense of Leningrad".
        4. FIR FIR 20 May 2020 11: 06 New
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          I have a father reserve officer. 24 years in the army. Three medals in 24 years and a badge of graduation from a military school.
      2. tihonmarine 18 May 2020 16: 56 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk.

        When I asked my grandfather, a participant in the First World War, grandfather, why did you have one Egoriy and one medal, he answered. A good soldier should have so much, and who has more, and the rest is from the evil one.
        1. Nikolai Korovin 20 May 2020 20: 45 New
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          Well, why? Your grandfather exaggerated a little. My father had "Courage", to which in the 70s, something like, the Patriotic War II degree was added - they gave to those who survived, "For the Defense of the Caucasus", "For the capture of Budapest", "For the victory over Germany" , anniversary medals (20, 30, 40 years of Victory) and the "Badge of Honor" for civic activities. In my opinion, there is nothing evil from the evil one.
          1. tihonmarine 21 May 2020 09: 31 New
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            Quote: Nikolai Korovin
            Well, why? Your grandfather exaggerated a little. My father had a "Courage", to which in the 70s, or something, the "Patriotic War" was added II degree

            That's all that he received for the Second World War. Medals for the "capture and release" were given to all who participated in a particular case.
      3. Lannan Shi 18 May 2020 17: 54 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Depreciation comes in all and medals as well.

        Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago. When a handful of orders were automatically attached to the post. The only difference is that at least then there were purely military awards that you won’t get in your office. And with us ... And with us it’s not that the gunpowder was not sniffed, but simply that a deviator from the service can become a Hero of Russia. Oh how. Alas and ah.
        1. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 22: 54 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago.

          We are all not without sin.
          Even some of our new saints sometimes fell for the "orders".
          We are all humans.
          Give us (me) respect ...
        2. Alexey RA 19 May 2020 16: 30 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          The only difference is that at least then there were purely military awards that you won’t get in your office.

          At first, in the Empire, officers could even get George for their length of service: 25 years in the field service or 18 campaigns in the naval. In 1833, the condition for participation in at least one battle was added to this category, and in 1855 it was canceled altogether.
        3. tihonmarine 21 May 2020 09: 42 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago. When a handful of orders were automatically attached to the post.

          These things went from the English crown, there were sold, titles, positions and orders. And everything is official. There is a penny officer, a little penniless sergeant, no pennies private.
    2. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 15: 51 New
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      I don’t know how in the cadet and in Suvorov’s everything is on the topic. Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the courseworks this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.
      1. alone 18 May 2020 15: 53 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        I don’t know how in the cadet and in Suvorov’s everything is on the topic. Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the courseworks this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.

        Why is this necessary? enough special icons
        1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 02 New
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          anniversary. MSVU 70 years. or 75 years of Suvorov schools as an example. why not wear them? if you look at the photo, it is precisely among the Suvorovites that it weighs the least. and that's it. again, do not forget that they don’t wear anything at all. and a parade is a parade.
          1. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 16: 18 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            anniversary. MSVU 70 years. or 75 years of Suvorov schools as an example. why not wear them?

            Why the hell are they like fighting?
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            2. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 23 New
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              what are they brushing off? what is there with the military in common? [center][/ Center
              the tractor also has tracks, but this does not mean that it looks like a tank. the photos are not mine but I think you’ll find it yourself if you wish.
      2. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 06 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the coursework this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.

        And you imagine an 11th grade student with medals for the end of each class wassat This is not a schoolboy, this is LEGEND! laughing laughing laughing
        1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 20 New
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          and who is talking about schoolchildren? excuse me, but these are two different things. to study at school and in IEDs. with which they are radically different. I studied in Ussuriysky. my father is in Kalinsky. I know with what to compare.
          1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 27 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            to study at school and in IEDs. with which they are radically different. I studied in Ussuriysky. my father is in Kalinsky. I know with what to compare.

            There are signs of graduation from military schools, military schools and Suvorov schools. This is enough, tell the other about each other at a meeting with graduates. laughing
            1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 41 New
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              enough for whom? you? ) would you like to send your child to Suvorov? and listen to his opinion on this subject?
              1. victor50 18 May 2020 17: 08 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                would you like to send your child to Suvorovskoye? and listen to his opinion on this subject?

                My friends have a grandson there. Grandparents, parents and the cadet are just happy. So don’t be scared here. And yet, judging by your literacy, how would it be softer ... Your passage about comparing schools and IEDs .... In general, you did not honor the IEDs.
                1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 41 New
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                  scare? What are you talking about? literacy? are you normal?) would you like to send your children there?)))
                2. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 47 New
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                  scare? I just invited the cadet to choose which is better. It’s hard for most people here to understand what it is like to wear boots during school years while they run around girls and mother’s pies crack. Therefore, the cons are not surprised.
                3. carstorm 11 19 May 2020 02: 44 New
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                  it's the internet. I did not follow literacy and I will not do it. commas are not there anyway. I always wrote this and will continue.
                  1. victor50 19 May 2020 21: 34 New
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                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    it's the internet. I did not follow literacy and I will not do it. commas are not there anyway. I always wrote this and will continue.

                    Oh how raging! At the same time, teach everyone! Type: this is the Internet - you can carry any garbage. The Internet is .... laughing
          2. Sanya Terek 18 May 2020 17: 49 New
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            Have you received many medals during your studies at IED? There were badges for the anniversary of the school (unit), which in design did not look like "signs of military valor."
          3. New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 44 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            I know with what to compare.

            with something your cadets become similar to this person with their tzatski
            1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 48 New
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              walk in the forest. therefore, the VO got corrupted that people like you don’t understand the difference between studying at school under my mother’s skirt and Suvorov’s alone. therefore, you will never understand.
              1. New Year day 19 May 2020 22: 52 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                you don’t understand the difference between studying at school under my mother’s skirt and in Suvorov’s alone

                tsatski - with what? Or for the absence of a mother, tzatskki is given out? laughing
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                walk in the forest. therefore, the VO got corrupted that people like you don’t understand the difference between studying at school under my mother’s skirt and Suvorov’s alone. therefore, you will never understand.

                at IEDs and schools, the difference does not end there. There are still boarding schools, and not those that are for gifted young physicists, etc.
                And then arrogance arises to the "Nesuvorovites."
            2. Fing 19 May 2020 02: 14 New
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              Not the most successful example. Senior sergeant, deputy platoon. Air Defense Forces. Do not confuse warm with soft.
              1. tech3030 19 May 2020 15: 23 New
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                In the photo I see a junior sergeant. Sergeant three, the eldest one wide as far as I remember.
              2. New Year day 19 May 2020 22: 53 New
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                Quote: Fing
                Not the most successful example. Senior sergeant, deputy platoon. Air Defense Forces. Do not confuse warm with soft.

                shoulder straps of sergeant and colonel general, in my opinion, differ laughing
            3. TANKISTONE 19 May 2020 17: 03 New
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              Is it Pinochet? Yes? laughing
          4. Old tanker 19 May 2020 09: 51 New
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            So it is in you that cadet solidarity trembles. But in fact, at the time of your father, there must have been no trinkets on his chest by the end of the school. Well, maybe one for the parade, if you participated, or 70 USSR forces, if you hit. And that was normal. When I entered the school, we did not have a single cadet with medals. But it was the last Soviet set.
            1. ccsr 19 May 2020 10: 40 New
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              Quote: Old Tanker
              So it is in you that cadet solidarity trembles.

              What's bad about it? By the way, even from abroad, former Cadets came to Russia, who ended up abroad after the revolution, and completed their studies there, but always remembered that they were Russian people and honored their traditions. They even passed a ceremonial parade, and they were over eighty.
              Quote: Old Tanker
              But in fact, at the time of your father, there must have been no trinkets on his chest by the end of the school.

              Not quite so - some cadets could receive “For military valor. In commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. " I saw these while studying.
              Quote: Old Tanker
              Well, maybe one for the parade, if you participated, or 70 USSR forces, if you hit.

              They didn’t give any medals for the parade, as well as jubilee medals to cadets of military schools - I don’t remember that. Not all cadets reached graduation, that's why it was somehow not accepted to award them with anniversary medals.
              Quote: Old Tanker
              When I entered the school, we did not have a single cadet with medals.

              And I have not seen any such.
              1. Pushkar 19 May 2020 22: 52 New
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                Quote: ccsr
                former cadets came to Russia,

                Quote: ccsr
                some cadets could for the difference

                Do not confuse, gentleman, the Cadets with the cadets (pre-revolutionary cadets). Some are children in a paramilitary special school, others are students of military schools who receive primary officer ranks upon graduation.
                1. ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 43 New
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                  Do not confuse, mister, cadets with cadets (pre-revolutionary cadets)

                  I don’t confuse - several cadets studied with us, and I am aware of their traditions, such as shoulder straps bolted to the badge inside the officer’s tunic. One of them now maintains contact with the Russian cadets of foreign countries, it was they who first studied at cadet schools, then to enter the cadet or military school.
                  Learn at least this to get you started:
                  After October 1917, at the beginning of the Civil War, some cadet corps were disbanded, and some of them were forced to leave Russia *. Many graduate cadets went to the front of the Civil War and fought in parts of the White Army. Younger cadets were evacuated from the country through the Crimea and the Far East. Cadet corpses rescued from destruction continued their work in the countries of the Russian scattering - in China, Tunisia, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. Part of the buildings was subsequently closed, some were disbanded and redistributed by the pupils in other buildings. In 1930, in France, in Versailles, the new Corps-Lyceum of Emperor Nicholas II was established, which lasted until 1964.

                  https://magazines.gorky.media/nj/2010/259/rossijskie-kadetskie-korpusa-v-serbii-1920-1944.html
        2. Bastinda 18 May 2020 16: 47 New
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          Medal "For the capture of the dining room"! laughing
          But seriously - a little scary. My grandfather left 2 orders of the "Red Star" and a medal. I don’t want to pass it on to my son, he doesn’t know anything about this ...
          1. 210ox 18 May 2020 17: 01 New
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            Why doesn't your son know about this !? This is how our historical memory ends.
            1. Bastinda 18 May 2020 17: 03 New
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              Since 7 years not with me. Now he is 20.
          2. Albert1988 18 May 2020 17: 02 New
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            Quote: Bastinda
            My grandfather left 2 orders of the "Red Star" and a medal. I don’t want to pass it on to my son, he doesn’t know anything about this ...

            Why doesn't he know?
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            I don’t want to pass it on to my son, he doesn’t know anything about this ...
            So you are a bad father. My knows. That which is not with you does not justify you.
        3. Revival 18 May 2020 23: 07 New
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          And 30, 35, 40, 490 years of school!
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the coursework this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.

        And what are these medals talking about? What did he unlearn the due date?
        A medal is a sign differences(not to mention the order). A reward for any outstanding deed. What heroic did these boys manage to do? Let’s introduce the medals “For the end of the 6th grade (7th, 8th, etc.)” at the school. By the way, the medal "For N years of excellent service" is not particularly respected in the army, it is called "For Sand". The time has come - get it! There is a rhyme among the officers:
        And on his mighty chest
        Solid, in several rows
        One medal hung in a bunch
        And that - for the length of service!
        The trouble is that the awards are depreciating in the eyes of people, and those that are really received for some outstanding services are lost against all sorts of anniversary and departmental ones.
    3. 210ox 18 May 2020 16: 59 New
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      "It's time to end with this comedy" ... I agree. Just start with where the legs grow from. More precisely with those at the highest level. They drove the status of state awards under the baseboard.
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        Quote: 210ox
        "It's time to end with this comedy" ... I agree. Just start with where the legs grow from. More precisely with those at the highest level. They drove the status of state awards under the baseboard.

        Yeah .. Right you say .. Rotenberg -Hero of Labor ... Generally, he’s fulfilled the plan ... He went down to the mines, fell asleep at the machines .. He ate sweetly, slept sweetly, drank money well .. oh yes - forgot. .When it was able to fight wassat And here you are - Hero of Labor ..
        I can also fight if that laughing laughing
      2. Ryaruav 18 May 2020 19: 32 New
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        210 th, why are you so modest? name glavnyuk
      3. New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 51 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        You only need to start from where your legs grow from.

        And the legs grow straight from the head: Shoigu established 78 new medals and insignia (25 in the Ministry of Emergencies and 53 in the Ministry of Defense). For example, in 2014, it establishes the “Artist of the Greeks”, “For Merits in Logistics and Technical Support” medals, and even for the “World Championship“ Tank Biathlon - 2014 ”.
        Zolotov, the second lover of orders and medals, has established 4 medals in 16 years, but this is only in 4 years!
    4. Tavrik 18 May 2020 17: 12 New
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      We brand America with shame and immediately become ape. This at West Point, students are awarded various insignia, such as "Excellent student in military subjects", "Excellent student in general scientific disciplines", "Excellent student in all subjects." We somehow learned without them. Only with VSK badges. The fewer achievements, the more tinsel. More beautiful and different medals!
    5. Private89 18 May 2020 19: 25 New
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      I recalled the words from the song:
      "How much" courage "do you have?
      We have the rubas medal.
      No pain, blood, or wounds
      I bought everything - a veteran.
      Functionary deaf and dumb
      To avoid problems,
      After all, under such a movie
      The budget has been sawn for a long time. ”
    6. New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 36 New
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      Quote: lonely
      He remembered Sharapov, who tore the Order of the Patriotic War from Fox ..
      Who needs these fake orders and medals? Now there is such a fashion, every fourth in the general’s uniform, his chest is full of some kind of awards. And when you ask what kind of order and for what I got it, they scream: "I shed blood in the war! Provocateur, you villain!" .. And I’m 70 years old no more ..
      And cadets with medals are generally hilarious .. It's time to end with this comedy

      you late! The cadets are already with icostasis!
    7. Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 00: 46 New
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      Quote: lonely
      cadets with medals in general scream .. It's time to end with this comedy

      It's time, then .... but who will do it in Putin's liberal Russia ?!
      1. Boris Arbel (Latuha) 19 May 2020 22: 04 New
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        it's all demagoguery
    8. your1970 19 May 2020 14: 36 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk ...

      Quote: lonely
      Quote: Svarog
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk.

      My uncle fought in 2 wars: Finnish and Great Patriotic War .. only 1 order and 4 medals .. And these pieces have 15 on their chest .. For 15-16 years old ..

      Quote: Stroporez
      Quote: lonely
      And these pieces have 15 on their breasts ... Samim 15-16 years ..

      Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.

      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Quote: Svarog
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well.

      Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago. When a handful of orders were automatically attached to the post. The only difference is that at least then there were purely military awards that you won’t get in your office. And with us ... And with us it’s not that the gunpowder was not sniffed, but simply that a deviator from the service can become a Hero of Russia. Oh how. Alas and ah.

      What an expression! !!! ¡!!! What indignation !!!!! Bravo !!!!!! fool
      And the fact that it was not yesterday, and not even 30 years ago, began, remember weakly ???
      Pokryshkin has 3 stars of the Hero for all his merits; and “dear Leonid Ilyich” has 4 stars !!!!!!!! And the Order of Victory !!!! at the Major General !!!!!
      Is this not a depreciation?
      Or when in 1985 they distributed the Order of the Patriotic War to all veterans ??? is this not a depreciation ??

      Z.Y. all minusers, the number of Brezhnev awards played a role in the fact that ALL really deserving of military awards, bureaucrats began to say: "We did not send you there !!!" ... The whole country watched Brezhnev’s circus with medals
      1. your1970 21 May 2020 10: 02 New
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        And yet, my grandfather who fought (and was commissioned for wounding in 1943) in artillery and his neighbor, who served in the commandant’s office throughout Samara, BOTH received the Order of the Patriotic War in 1985 ..... why there was no war in Samara ... but they BOTH were equal according to his own merits ...
        Grandfather looked at his own thing, said "Zhelezka" and put it in the chest of drawers - I made him the trims on his medals, he put them on on May 9th, but he never put the order on.
      2. Essex62 23 May 2020 11: 23 New
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        Four times, the hero Brezhnev certainly looked ridiculous and funny. A real combat officer who sniffed gunpowder and bomb TNT completely fell into insanity and hardly perceived the surrounding reality adequately. Someone in the environment very skillfully created an “image of socialism” shoving the sick old man hung with metal to the podium. One of the reasons why it rolled in 91m.
  2. aglet 18 May 2020 15: 23 New
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    the complete devaluation of all awards and merits. or rewrite the statute for approaching the body, for example. but in a simple way, they have put everything on a long time ago, the kindergarten wants to be a hero, it will be him. a surprise to Rotenberg is the hero’s star, like, for example, Ivan Kozhedub- it’s easy, all the same, a sun-faced friend, and this is a heroic feat. or a shoigu hero, well, just like Zinovy ​​Kolobanov, and that he didn’t die and didn’t accomplish feats, and don’t need to, here, most importantly, he has a friend with the right name, he can award him more than once, and not twice. Brezhnev-four times hero, so he fought, the whole war went through, but what merit did the same shoigu, or Serdyukov? sat next?
    1. Pessimist22 18 May 2020 15: 56 New
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      Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.
      1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.

        So they need to give out one big medal with a bas-relief of a friend of friends.
        1. depressant 18 May 2020 16: 14 New
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          Stoporez, applaud laughing))
      2. Alf
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.

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            Quote: Stroporez
            The martyr (I don’t know who he is) has only a Masonic order light bulb on his forehead,

            Not yet evening...
  3. Pvi1206 18 May 2020 15: 25 New
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    there is such a statement: the punishment of the innocent and the rewarding of the uninvolved ...
    those who like to flaunt their breasts in orders, usually from the second category ...
    true heroes never boast of their rewards ...
  4. pereselenec 18 May 2020 15: 27 New
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    I would generally prohibit the wearing at public events of any awards other than personal combat. And then the abundance of tsatsk devalues ​​the real rewards of these veterans. There, from real combat officers in the 45th, a pair of medals, and from a non-serving Shoigu there is so much colored copper on his uniform, as if he personally took Berlin twice.


    1. Ross xnumx 18 May 2020 15: 50 New
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      Quote: pereselenec
      And then the abundance of tsatsk devalues ​​the real rewards of these veterans. There, from the real military officers in the 45th, a pair of medals, and from the non-serving Shoigu there is so much dyed copper on his uniform, as if he personally took Berlin twice.

      What is Berlin there? Here is better than merit:
      1. g_ae 18 May 2020 16: 08 New
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        Well, what ?! Dembelems, therefore, can build a parade, but why are the generals worse? Also beautifully hotstsa!
      2. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 12 New
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        Do you think there are a lot of fighting?
        1. Sanya Terek 18 May 2020 18: 16 New
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          There are no military awards on officers and warrant officers, only for seniority and anniversary, plus badges, which in decent parts, were allowed to be worn only when the uniform was out of order.
          Compare the captain, in the 10th year of service, taking into account the time of study at the school, (he did not serve 10 full years, the first "sand" is missing) with one medal "70 years of the USSR Armed Forces" and a student of the 11th grade of IED with 2 MEDALS. The civilian man understands this a little, for him a man with 4 medals of the parade participant, a more honored warrior than a soldier with one medal "For Courage".
          1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 23: 27 New
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            That’s what I’ve said do not understand many.
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            2. Sanya Terek 19 May 2020 03: 29 New
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              Dmitry, therefore, wrote that it is impossible to make jubilee signs look like any awards, at least government, at least MO. I have two commemorative badges - a school badge and one of the parts where I served. Not one of them, even from afar, is like a reward.
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                Dmitry, therefore, wrote that it is impossible to make jubilee signs look like any awards, at least government, at least MO. I have two commemorative badges - a school badge and one of the parts where I served. Not one of them, even from afar, is like a reward.

                a badge - it is also a badge in Africa, does not apply to the award. Therefore, it is completely with you.
                Here, for example, mine. Nothing like a reward
      3. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 17: 51 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        What is Berlin there? Here is better than merit:

        Suvorov has well-deserved rewards. And Shoigu? No one will explain to me why he has a Masonic order.
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          Yes, and you do not need. no one should report to you.
      4. Old tanker 19 May 2020 10: 17 New
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        Gerasimov is a combat officer! Two Chechnya passed. And he didn’t bow to bullets.
    2. kot28.ru 18 May 2020 16: 07 New
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      the “non-serving” Shoigu in the army enjoys much greater authority than his “serving” predecessors, who went from cadet to the Minister of Defense hi And this is a logical result.
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      2. pereselenec 18 May 2020 17: 57 New
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        Let the rating of your post answer you for the authority of the order bearer Shoigu.
      3. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 05: 46 New
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        non-serving "Shoigu in the army enjoys much greater authority than his" serving "predecessors

        Such woodpeckers did ...
  5. snake 18 May 2020 15: 40 New
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    Recently, an article on VO was about the fact that Americans, they say, have simplified the receipt of the Purple Heart medal. What will happen? Whose cow would moo, so what? We love to look at specks in the eyes of others ... oh, how we love ... Around is one window dressing. The whole country is like a Potemkin village.
  6. Oleg Zorin 18 May 2020 15: 46 New
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    The fish rots from the head.
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      The fish rots from the head.

      Undoubtedly. But the funny thing is, Putin himself does not carry any awards, in principle. But to his friends, artists, singers, as well as their wives, children, etc. distributes the highest state awards right and left. The question is, why? And the answer is actually obvious. Many rulers resorted to this. Thus, he bribes their loyalty to themselves. Those. for him, as for many authoritarian rulers, personal loyalty is far above the interests of the country.
  7. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 15: 46 New
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    Forgive me now, Roman, but you can always tell me apart. in China, such crafts are stamped in huge boxes. Mom has been engaged in souvenirs and antiques for many years, and I saw everything and even what cannot be seen. Why do you mix military awards and peacetime awards, and this is fundamentally wrong. Well, let's just say that. my father had a lot of things in the days of the Union. but 90 percent of all these were anniversary. there so many years the Armed Forces and so on. on years. was some kind of German which was given to the GSVG. and there was a bunch of everything. The crab and the coffin were also worn. and it was worn by everyone. people who were not connected with the army did not understand, then and now, what kind of awards they were and all the time they asked why there were a lot of them and for what. besides, awards and anniversaries are rarely worn and everything can be fully understood by the planks.
    1. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 18: 17 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      Mom has been doing souvenirs and antiques for many years.

      Drugan sells a bronze chandelier from the Hermitage. Fit?
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        thank. not necessary. everything is fine with her. The expert assessment of stolen things does not pass. so let him return where he took it.
  8. The leader of the Redskins 18 May 2020 15: 47 New
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    All as in verse
    "There was a Cossack somewhere in the distance,
    There was a medal on his chest ... "

    And the last "starfall" on the chest of pop, rap, wives and muddy personalities, I personally do not cause anything but disgust ...
  9. bar
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    I remembered an old book on psychiatry. A similar case was described there - the patient drew himself a certificate for the title "Hero of the World" with the "right to wear all orders, medals, badges and shiny objects."
    It's sad sad
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      Offend - "thrice hero of the world"

  10. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 15: 55 New
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    From these figures it is clear that the Order of Glory is one thing, and the "Order" of the Glory of the Red Army is another.
    and the question is to state bodies, including the heraldic chamber, who allowed it and how it agreed



    1. ccsr 18 May 2020 18: 00 New
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      who allowed and how agreed it all

      Spit and forget these mummers - it doesn't matter to them what those who honestly deserve at least one medal think about them. I would be ashamed to put on themselves what they hung themselves, and they are even proud of this tinsel. This is the criterion for the attitude to the awards of the ancestors who fought in the Second World War.
    2. Free wind 18 May 2020 21: 29 New
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      Well, the Red Star is real, the first or last. Who it?
      1. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 34 New
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        and where did you see the Red Star?
  11. Oleg Skvortsov 18 May 2020 15: 57 New
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    Well, gentlemen love the nullies to adorn themselves and friends and relatives of the fifth knee with sparkling tsatskas, especially not from their own pockets, but from the state. A penny to them all for the price and the rewards and the rewarded. The people already know their heroes, indeed those who deserve honor and respect from their homeland. And these temporary workers with shiny faces come and go. Just worms on the body of long-suffering Russia. I recognize awards only for military valor and military labor. All.
    1. Ross xnumx 18 May 2020 19: 07 New
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      I recognize awards only for military valor and military labor. All.

      You're not right. There are outstanding achievements in science, art, and sports. Labor achievements are also worthy of rewards.
      The award of officials for services to the Fatherland is especially cynical. So disgusting that nothing can be justified.
      1. Old tanker 19 May 2020 10: 43 New
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        For this, they came up with the Order of Honor, the Order of Friendship, "For Merit to the Fatherland Without Swords" and a number of peaceful medals. In Soviet times, even the military was given "peaceful" awards for peaceful accomplishments. We had a major with the Order of the Badge of Honor, valiantly on the "virgin lands", as they said then he worked hard and deservedly received. And this is not "For Service to the Homeland in the USSR Armed Forces." They respected the man and did not make fun of the civil order.
      2. ccsr 19 May 2020 10: 49 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42

        You're not right. There are outstanding achievements in science, art, and sports. Labor achievements are also worthy of rewards.

        I knew some of the servicemen of the USSR State Prize laureates who had a special sign, but never wore it on a tunic, although they had every right - it was just somehow unacceptable in my time to stick out labor awards on military uniforms.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The award of officials for services to the Fatherland is especially cynical.

        This is a controversial issue, but I believe that people like Lavrov deserve to be awarded precisely for their services to the Fatherland.
  12. aglet 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
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    Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.

    damn, but I didn’t even know
  13. Karaul73 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
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    Quote: Pvi1206
    there is such a statement: the punishment of the innocent and the rewarding of the uninvolved ...
    those who like to flaunt their breasts in orders, usually from the second category ...
    true heroes never boast of their rewards ...

    I had to beg my grandfather for a long time to tell why he received his orders and medals. He did not like to talk about the war. Tankman, two seriously injured.
  14. Avior 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
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    everything seems to have gone with Umalatova’s awards
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Награды_Умалатовой
    with 1991 years.

    It is a pity that at one time state awards for merits, primarily military ones, did not seem to be shared with all sorts of anniversary and other commemorative awards, although undoubtedly well-deserved.
    And now, all the more so, state awards should clearly and recognizably differ from those issued by various kinds of public organizations.
    1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
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      not so hard to learn and distinguish. simple task for a person with ordinary memory.
      1. Avior 18 May 2020 16: 24 New
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        Unfortunately, most are poorly versed in rewards.
        But there is no special sign of military state awards.
        and some take advantage of it, formally breaking nothing
        1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 31 New
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          Well, just as an example, do you know how to distinguish the Red Star from the time of the Second World War and Afghanistan? in these little things and the difference.
          1. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 17: 10 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            you know how to distinguish the Red Star from the time of the Second World War and Afghanistan

            ??? !!!!!
            what nonsense?
            why distinguish them? !!!!!!
            This is the Order of the USSR approved in 30 last awarding 91 years
            1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 45 New
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              this is why they don’t understand ...
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              this is what distinguishes you from those who know ...
              1. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 07 New
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                so enlighten, if you know, so far only blah blah
            3. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 51 New
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              and yet there is a difference. external. this was discussed.
            4. tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 43 New
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              This is the Order of the USSR approved in 30 last awarding 91 years

              In December 91st, the state disappeared, and the orders of that state disappeared.
          2. Avior 18 May 2020 17: 19 New
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            Sorry, but this is completely different.
            One cannot expect that everyone will understand the awards at the falerist level.
            1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 46 New
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              it’s all about quantity.
              1. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 08 New
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                in the amount of what? !!
                1. carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 52 New
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                  issued awards. enamel color. they are different.
                  1. Barmaleyka 19 May 2020 07: 24 New
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                    about the number of awards it is generally nonsense do you consider this a visual difference? !!!
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    enamel color. they are different.


                  2. Barmaleyka 19 May 2020 07: 48 New
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                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    enamel color. they are different.

                    do not write nonsense, unlike you, I have been to such productions more than once and am somewhat versed in this matter, and so the color is the same, in any case, there were no decrees of the relevant authorities on making changes in the appearance of the awards, but the shade may be excellent even in different parties, and if you also take into account that very often on the tunic of the awarded you can see not the original award but a copy of it then it was filed
        2. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 52 New
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          Unfortunately, most are poorly versed in rewards.
          But there is no special sign of military state awards.

          Here everything is clear
          , and in modern hell will break his leg
          1. Avior 18 May 2020 17: 05 New
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            I think not everyone will carry it with them.
            And as a keepsake, not all military awards can be distinguished with the signs of some public organizations.
            1. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 17: 11 New
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              there are not many Soviet military orders
              1. Avior 18 May 2020 17: 35 New
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                Most of them, if they know some of them and have an approximate appearance, will not always distinguish them from signs that resemble them externally.
                But this, by the way, does not mean that people are indifferent to veterans.
                But the fact that all sorts of public badges imitate military state awards as much as possible is bad because in the eyes of people the presence of awards ceases to be a sign of a person’s merits.
                1. Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 09 New
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                  it will distinguish from signs that look like them

                  if from far away and catch a glimpse then perhaps if near it they will distinguish
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                But more than Russian. Till...
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  15. aglet 18 May 2020 15: 59 New
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    true heroes never boast of their rewards ...

    true heroes are usually not awarded
  16. Leshy1975 18 May 2020 16: 01 New
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    I know for sure that in our city of Voronezh, reenactors have been raising funds for the first year on May 9 and congratulate veterans on them. They buy grocery sets, necessary things and then report with the help of a photo. Those. not only externally trying to match, well done.
    Regarding the awards in the Russian Federation, I completely agree with Roman. It resembles a masquerade. And for the education of patriotism, such a situation is only harmful. However, the modern state gives such lessons and examples of "patriotism" that there are already no rewards that will greatly affect the situation. Having lost their head, they do not cry through their hair.
  17. knn54 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
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    Leonid Ilyich did not dream ...
  18. Undecim 18 May 2020 16: 05 New
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    The soldier didn’t go for the reward,
    But the rewards of that price are great.
    In the name of military honor and truth,
    Front-line soldiers,
    put on the orders!
    But there were times when war veterans were asked to don awards.
  19. Uncle lee 18 May 2020 16: 14 New
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    Quote: pereselenec
    so much colored copper on his uniform

    About it ?
  20. Usher 18 May 2020 16: 24 New
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    I don’t want to discuss the fact that distances, masks, because everything is just nonsense.
    He wrote about the medals correctly, but about the epidemic diz. Nonsense is that people are dying? The author is better not to write.
    1. Motorist 18 May 2020 23: 01 New
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      And here it "struck me in the ear":
      in politics of victory

      The Author’s overton window is ajar ... Although reading (without this fly in the ointment) was interesting.
  21. Doctor 18 May 2020 16: 25 New
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    As for the depreciation of military awards, I think everyone will agree.
    But about the reenactors, no.
    The author correctly noted that soon they will remain the only guardians of the memory of that war (and not only that). They not only cling to tsatskis and wear uniforms, but also actively discuss and recreate historical accuracy.
    But to wear even copies of real orders, the law prevents. We have to get hungry.

    On the whole, they’re doing the right thing, I won’t be surprised at our lifetime if in 20 years they will completely forget what WWII soldiers looked like and what they did.
    1. Polente the Wanderer 18 May 2020 17: 29 New
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      The most important thing is not to embellish and invent. And then Zhukov’s memoirs were allowed to print only at the mention that Zhukov stopped by to consult with Brezhnev.
      ___ Zhukov was “offered” to insert a text of approximately the following content: when discussing the possibility of expanding the Novorossiysk bridgehead, the marshal stopped by to consult with the chief of the 18th Army’s political department, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, but didn’t find him, because he “was just on Malaya Zemlya, where heavy fighting was taking place.” ___
  22. tihonmarine 18 May 2020 16: 32 New
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    And against the background of what is happening in the country as a whole, the reenactors are far from the most harmful part of our society. And in my opinion - very useful. Although not the easiest to communicate often.
    We are also reconstructors, but somehow before orders and medals, we did not fall.
    1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 17: 26 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      We are also reconstructors, but somehow before orders and medals, we did not fall.

      Well done, remember!
      1. tihonmarine 18 May 2020 19: 20 New
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        Quote: Stroporez
        Well done, remember!

        For us, the main thing is that everything corresponds to the time, form, weapon, equipment, uniform, battle reality.
        . And that would not be a “remake”. Our awards are not welcome.

        This is part of one of the films.
        1. Sling cutter 18 May 2020 21: 15 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is part of one of the films.

          Hello Looks! good
          1. tihonmarine 19 May 2020 08: 59 New
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            Hello Looks!

            And then !!!
            This is my son, the chairman of one of the clubs.
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Hello Looks!

            This is our club.
            and a member of our club
            and this is another club
        2. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 23: 02 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is part of one of the films.

          The dirt in the films is not enough.
          This is not about nonsense.
          Look, crawl through the mud.
          You (if necessary) when should you change the form?
          After a year, if you don’t take off your hat yourself from the dead.
          1. grad2308 19 May 2020 07: 45 New
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            "For us, the main thing is that everything corresponds to the time, uniform, weapon, equipment, uniform, battle reality."
            "The dirt in the films is not enough. It's not about nonsense. Look, climb the dirt."
            I completely agree. One form is pure to be in humans. Another burnt, sometimes torn from a thorn for realistic shooting. Plus, do not forget to make up, living in the field, you still have to be "smoked". As a rule, baths did not happen very often and often did not keep pace with the position. Yes, and laundered to white was problematic.
          2. tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 16 New
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            Quote: DED_peer_DED
            The dirt in the films is not enough.
            This is not about nonsense.

            Mud is a matter of gain, the main thing is lunch on a routine.
            1. grad2308 19 May 2020 11: 38 New
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              I do not argue. ))) In my past, as an “impact” on me and my subordinates in the conditions of hostilities (in the trenches - on the front), by order of the Communist Party was removed from food allowance for a month. And this happens ..., they tried to "break" the unit - who will write a denunciation on their own.
    2. ccsr 18 May 2020 18: 10 New
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      We are also reconstructors, but somehow before orders and medals, we did not fall.

      I agree that restorers are more sensitive to the awards of that war, but among them there are those who want to try on other people's awards.

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        in the picture, the lower right he is also the upper left reenactor is very strange, he has awards out of place.
  23. nikvic46 18 May 2020 16: 32 New
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    I know that during the USSR, this case was not welcomed. And how did you feel about wearing illegal attributes in the Russian Empire?
  24. prior 18 May 2020 16: 48 New
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    Papuans wore beads ....
  25. Grading 18 May 2020 16: 49 New
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    Quote: serpent
    Recently, an article on VO was about the fact that Americans, they say, have simplified the receipt of the Purple Heart medal. What will happen? Whose cow would moo, so what? We love to look at specks in the eyes of others ... oh, how we love ... Around is one window dressing. The whole country is like a Potemkin village.

    Grandfathers, I think, would be shocked by the grandchildren who went to the full!




  26. rocket757 18 May 2020 16: 52 New
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    Unpleasant topic ... I do not want to discuss, just curse.
  27. Courier 18 May 2020 16: 55 New
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    The Germans, in this regard were better. Iron cross only for military merit. I have not seen such mummers in the Wehrmacht
  28. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 May 2020 16: 59 New
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    Definitely a plus, the article fully coincides with my opinion on this issue.
  29. GMM
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    Specially registered under this question.
    You look at the militia of the Crimea and the self-defense of Sevastopol.
    There Brezhnev is crying ...
  30. Polente the Wanderer 18 May 2020 17: 13 New
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    It’s like in a joke, the chief-head asks a subordinate-friend ..: you need money or an order? And he answers that the order, I’ll still get money for myself ...-
    A similar situation with titles from various public academies.
  31. 7,62h54 18 May 2020 17: 14 New
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    And how to relate to people in the form of Cossacks and royal crosses on their chests. Is it a reconstruction, or are they centenarians?
  32. GMM
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    Medals are one side of the coin (pun intended).
    And the general approach to military service is generally krants ....
  33. frols 18 May 2020 17: 29 New
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    Yes, on our Russophobian sites the author would be very popular; he would be dismantled for quotations. Maybe you should think about where to publish?
    1. frols 19 May 2020 20: 40 New
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      Why are there so many minuses? Find ten differences, here's what we retype on our sites:
      "Russia shows a schizophrenic reaction to coronavirus. Back in March, well-known doctors claimed on state television that the United States wanted to use the virus as a biological weapon against China, but its effect was weak. (...) But when the number of infected jumped, President Vladimir Putin announced "non-working days" - with full preservation of payments from employers, who, however, did not receive any support from the state.
      Putin from time to time makes unfounded speeches to the population. He transfers the burden of making concrete decisions to local rulers, four of whom have already resigned: the governors of the Komi Republic, the Kamchatka Territory, the Nenets Autonomous Okrug and the Arkhangelsk Region - not to mention the many heads of departments responsible for public health. "
      Putin wants to avoid responsibility for making decisions during the coronacrisis and shows himself in the role of a good, understanding ruler. It is noteworthy that he recently turned to the Russians with the words "my dear." This was reminded by many commentators of Stalin's unexpected “Brothers and Sisters” appeal in July 1941, shortly after the German attack. Putin asked citizens to suffer a little more. When it became clear that people were not expecting good words from the state, but money, he talked about modest payments to families with children and companies that did not fire employees during the epidemic. However, the bureaucratic obstacles are great. "None of my friends who requested such assistance have succeeded,"
      On May 11, we reached the next stage of schizophrenia, continues Ganieva. - Putin announced the end of "non-working days." (...) Many company executives call their employees to work right now, when Russia has taken the second place in the world in the number of people infected with coronavirus - even if it is impossible to maintain a minimum distance at the workplace or one of the employees was sick recently. It reminds of Russian fairy tales, where the hero stands at a crossroads: you go to work, the state will punish you; if you don’t go to work, your boss will punish you. Many of my friends take sick leave or unpaid leave. "
      “Hospitals are crowded, many of them lack protective equipment and test systems. But we have to add a lie. With a quarter of a million infected, only 2 thousand deaths are known, in international comparison this is a surprisingly low percentage. Probably, the data is being manipulated and doctors who are forbidden to provide information are silent, ”Ganieva believes.
      Well and further in the same vein, I do not post comments anyway they will be deleted.
      What the patriot of his homeland does when they pour it with mud, they guessed correctly, adds this mud, it's time.
  34. LeonidL 18 May 2020 17: 39 New
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    I’ll try to express my opinion - Wearing the uniform of the time of the Second World War during reconstructions, concerts, films and other performances is quite normal, as well as the replicas of military awards required by the script. This is an action limited in time to a maximum of hours. I think that it’s also useful that people during the Immortal Regiment put on an old-style uniform and again either replicas or rewards left from veterans. For example, in foreign countries, This year, for example, in Chicago there was a motor rally instead of a power supply, there were a lot of people in the form of the Red Army at the car parks, with portraits, some donned grandfather's awards, sang songs of the war years. This is a popularization of the real history of Russia, which is so lacking in the West. The Americans approached the participants of the run, were interested, and even participated a little. The video was sent to me - very heartily and touchingly passed. I think this business is useful and correct. That is, if a person puts on a uniform and awards or their cues on Victory Day - this is one. If some clowns flaunt this constantly (especially the newly-minted Cossacks of all stripes, the White Guards, etc.) - this is different. Now about the awards of modern Russia. Here one should approach the matter without unnecessary emotions and with the involvement of specialists in military heraldry (?). Frankly, the mass of trinkets reduces their importance, I know for myself and my family that the block is large, and there are two real awards. Well, about Kiriyenko - the mass public does not know much, but my friends from the "military science" say that he is a man who has done a lot. Of course, it would be more logical to award the Hero of Labor, but I do not remember if such a status was already there. To be honest, for me remodels even of the 80s and beyond do not somehow “sound”. Grandfather was a gentleman of St. George for WWI, of course. But why is this order now again revived? Why is Glory bad? “Red Star? Well, I can still understand the“ Order of Lenin ”doesn’t“ sound ”now, but I think (this is my personal opinion) that haste and stupidity at once threw out the well-deserved and respected military awards and replaced them with remakes without a glorious fighting history.
    1. tihonmarine 18 May 2020 19: 42 New
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      Grandfather was a gentleman of St. George for WWI, of course. But why is this order now again revived? Why is Glory bad? "Red Star?

      For modern power, the attributes of a Socialist state are not acceptable.
      1. LeonidL 18 May 2020 23: 12 New
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        Such unacceptability was characteristic of the 90s with EBN and without the Immortal Regiment. Times have changed.
        1. tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 22 New
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          Times have changed.

          Times have changed, but the orders of the Red Banner and the Red Star have not been returned. They are a symbol of the era of Socialism.
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            Vlad! Not yet evening....
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              Vlad! Not yet evening...

              Let's hope, but definitely not evening.
  35. yasvet 18 May 2020 17: 43 New
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    As one expert explained to me, club awards, as well as awards dedicated to events held, they are deliberately ordered very similar to real ones

    It’s illegal all this, we are liberalistic, we don’t attract ..., a mess in our heads, everything is painted, chewed, in the Regulation on state awards.
    Pay attention to clause 12.2. !!!

    Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 07.09.2010, 1099 N 31.12.2019 (as amended on December XNUMX, XNUMX) "On measures to improve the state award system of the Russian Federation" (together with the "Regulation on State Awards of the Russian Federation", "Statutes of Orders of the Russian Federation, provisions on distinctions Russian Federation, medals of the Russian Federation, honorary titles of the Russian Federation, descriptions of the named state awards of the Russian Federation and badges for the honorary titles of the Russian Federation "

    12. Illegal acquisition or sale, falsification, illegal wearing of state awards of the Russian Federation and state awards of the USSR, the establishment or manufacture of signs bearing a similar name or external similarity, shall entail liability in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.
    2. The establishment or manufacture of signs bearing a similar name or external resemblance to state awards, -
    shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of one thousand five hundred to two thousand rubles with confiscation of signs; for officials - from four thousand to five thousand rubles with confiscation of signs; for legal entities - from eighty-five thousand to one hundred thousand rubles with confiscation of signs.
    (in the edition of the Federal Law from 19.05.2010 N 88-FZ)
  36. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 17: 56 New
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    There is one not good (separately) Russian word meaning a woman of easy virtue.
    It starts with the letter b and ends with the letter a soft sign.
    This applies to the "order carriers - armadillos" and to power. To power alien, alien, not native.
  37. yasvet 18 May 2020 18: 24 New
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    In addition, there are laws on awards in republics, territories, regions. Here, there are varieties of forms, well, let's say, in abundance:

    award medal, which has the following types of forms: medal, medal of the order, gold medal, commemorative medal, anniversary medal, commemorative anniversary medal;

    Reference: Trofimov E.V. - State awards of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation // Legal Studies. - 2013. - No. 1. - P. 1 - 147. DOI: 10.7256 / 2305-9699.2013.1.430 URL: https://nbpublish.com/library_read_article.php?id=430

    award badge, which is not divided into forms of the following varieties: badge, insignia, highest distinction, gold badge, badge of highest appreciation, badge of recognition of special merit, badge, honorary badge, honorary badge, commemorative badge, commemorative badge, commemorative badge, commemorative badge - anniversary medal;

    Reference: Trofimov E.V. - State awards of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation // Legal Studies. - 2013. - No. 1. - P. 1 - 147. DOI: 10.7256 / 2305-9699.2013.1.430 URL: https://nbpublish.com/library_read_article.php?id=430
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    himself, really, for a long time and greatly infuriates. Moreover, the situation is not with the “badges”, but with real rewards. Without a hitch, just for the sake of clarity, he himself has just for the 'sand' (length of service), and on the wall there are clocks solemnly handed over for 'direct participation in the destruction of illegal armed groups in the conditions of mountainous and wooded areas, in the winter period'. This is when I ran around the mountains for several days, through the territory controlled by these same illegal armed groups, and in the midst of hipesha, I also caught a couple of olives in armor. But staff and associates left with iconostases. It is unpleasant as it was ...
    1. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 18: 58 New
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      But staff and associates left with iconostases.

      Alexander Shumilin. "Vanka-company"
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        Inexpressible book. I reread.
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        With my own eyes, I read the order 'for the destruction of the enemy’s manpower during the HAND fight, to encourage the AWARD' ...
  39. Grading 18 May 2020 18: 32 New
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    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    There is one not good (separately) Russian word meaning a woman of easy virtue.
    It starts with the letter b and ends with the letter a soft sign.
    This applies to the "order carriers - armadillos" and to power. To power alien, alien, not native.



    1. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 18: 54 New
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      Golosisty and fellow villagers.
  40. Gardamir 18 May 2020 19: 12 New
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    It seems I've already laid out this song here. And despite the fact that the video is modern, our order.



    but there are those who deserve three such orders. Real heroes

  41. yasvet 18 May 2020 19: 24 New
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    If the picture is not “flooded”, I really hope that famous media personalities were photographed in the form and at the awards of their relatives, out of a sense of pride and immense gratitude to them and this generation.
    ps
    In my family, too, they did not hand over orders and WWII medals: my relatives left after the 91st ... We keep the awards as a memory, I gave them to my grandson to hold them).
    1. Nastia makarova 19 May 2020 16: 33 New
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      and what who gives them ?????
  42. lis-ik 18 May 2020 19: 30 New
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    And what exactly do we want? Our modern power, in essence, is disguised. So that in the image and likeness.
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    Familiar

    manner

    letters.
    I decided to read, the topic seemed interesting, but because of the huge number of line spacing, I didn’t master it, but the author will forgive me! hi
  44. Revival 18 May 2020 19: 55 New
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    Of everything I read, it is different, but most of all finished:
    1. Oligarchs with awards
    2. Children in schools with a whole iconostasis a whole "regiment" ..
    This is the bottom ...
    Although just one of them ..
    1. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 20: 39 New
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      Although just one of them ..

      Movement .... working hours on the "movement".
      Movement as the meaning of current being.
      Not a goal. Not a solution.
      Traffic....
      Infinite.
      Going nowhere.
  45. Vladimir Mashkov 18 May 2020 20: 48 New
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    VERY efficient and correct article by Roman! It’s funny: another cadet or cadet has more orders on his chest than his grandfather’s for the whole Great Patriotic War. Arrived!
    1. DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 20: 54 New
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      funny: another cadet or cadet now has “orders” on his chest more than his grandfather’s for the whole Great Patriotic War

      At the same time, the child himself, a man, is sickened by propaganda to the state of a zombie.
      He knows everything, knows how to do everything, builds everyone (as ordered).
      We have lost these generations.
      They are not ours.
  46. Blue fox 18 May 2020 21: 10 New
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    It is a matter of a foolish mind to dress aliens with orders.
    Indeed, for each of the pads there is a price.
    And the victory of the blood of war smells forever.
  47. Petrik66 18 May 2020 21: 26 New
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    Judging by the posts, mostly angry comments from 60+ people. And what exactly are you all unhappy with? In the pictures, your peers with tsatskas, in the 80s you put on medals (sand), who were older than those who were so jubilee for 550 years of the Kulikovo battle clung to a tunic, and in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation what age did you give out uncles and aunts with an umalatov at the head of the order? And who gave the order to Juna? Young people? You got what the samit deserve. Shoigu - what should he do? with a badge gto 2 degrees go? Rotenberg headed and leads Mostotrest and received the Hero for the unique Crimean bridge, in your time when something was being built and the beginning buildings of the Hero of Social Work were hung up, was that not the norm? And Kiriyenko received the Hero as the head of Rosatom, and precisely because he brought order there by overthrowing corrupt old-timers and fulfilling the order of the Motherland, we are talking about new vigorous warheads, i.e. when under the USSR, in the general machine building industry, Heroes were given - this is good, but now - no. Yes, and disguised veterans in the parades, so this is also your generation. I know the answer in advance, but I also know Krylov’s fable - it’s better not to turn your mind on yourself.
    1. ccsr 19 May 2020 11: 02 New
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      , in the 80s you pulled on medals (sand),

      Firstly, “for the sand” is not a state award, but departmental. Secondly, if you had even a little knowledge of military history, then you would have known that there was a time when state awards were given for the length of service in the Red Army, so that later, on the contrary, the status of awards for long service was lowered. However, you are unlikely to understand these subtleties, so you grind all nonsense with your tongue.
      Quote: Petrik66
      And who gave the order to Juna?

      She had homemade goods, and not state orders - you are not in the subject here either.

      Quote: Petrik66
      I know the answer in advance, but I also know Krylov’s fable - it’s better not to turn your mind on yourself.

      So you turn to yourself - it was because of people like you who greeted the current government that the fashion for different tsatskas appeared, and in Soviet times there were a limited number of state awards.
      Quote: Petrik66
      Judging by the posts, mostly angry comments from 60+ people.

      What makes you think that these people are dumber than you, or have seen less in life?
      1. Petrik66 19 May 2020 12: 57 New
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        I’m right, a hundred times right. - nothing concrete. 1. When in 85, 7,5 million received the Order of the Patriotic War at one time, that no one protested. Anniversary medals: 20, 30,40,50,60 years of Victory, anniversary medals: 50, 60 years of the USSR Armed Forces, badge 25 years of victory . And to this we add three degrees of the medal "For Impeccable Service" appeared in 1958. It was it that was called for "sand", and here is departmental? or the USSR Armed Forces did not belong to the state?
        "And on his mighty chest,
        Shining in many rows
        One medal hung in a heap,
        And that - for the length of service
        So from the 60s and 70s there was a love of branzuletki.
        2. Umalatova and her comrades handed out awards from the reserves of the USSR mint and there are no known cases when someone angrily publicly refused the Order of Lenin or the Hero of the Soviet Union presented by this lady. Still - after all, it was interpreted as "restoration of historical justice" ....... and they wore and she already had 7 anniversary medals of the Second World War and Armed Forces, if Zhukov’s medal is considered.
        So, try not to oppose with general phrases like - Sam.
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          Quote: Petrik66
          When in 85, 7,5 million received the Order of the Patriotic War at a time, that no one protested.

          I don’t know where you got this figure, and why the people should have protested against it - on the contrary, I think that those who were in the army and worked for the restoration of the country forty years after the war, deserved such a reward. By the way, you don’t have to blame everything on the CPSU, because in our history this has already happened:
          The medal "In memory of the war of 1853-1856" is a mass highly approved award of the Russian Empire. It was established to mark the end of the Crimean War (1853-1856) and on the occasion of the coronation of Alexander II.


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          Anniversary medals: 20, 30,40,50,60 years of Victory,

          I don’t remember that in 1975, 1985 and in 1995 we were awarded these jubilee medals - I’m not a participant in that war, so I don’t have to let all those who served under it.

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          And to this we add three degrees of the medal "For Impeccable Service" appeared in 1958. It was it that was called for "sand", and here is departmental? or the USSR Armed Forces did not belong to the state?

          Despite the fact that you do not understand what a state award is, and what such departmental awards are, they have different statuses.

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          Umalatova and her comrades crushed awards from the reserves of the USSR Mint

          What are you talking about? She was not authorized to do this, i.e. ordinary amateur activity in troubled times.
          Quote: Petrik66
          So, try not to oppose with general phrases like

          So you dragged to something Umalatov - apparently from a great understanding of the history of awards in the USSR.
    2. val43 19 May 2020 11: 29 New
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      You have chosen a good nickname - Petryk laughing
  48. sergo1914 18 May 2020 22: 08 New
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    I remembered for some reason ...
    "Mamai’s hand clenched into a fist. Khan Altyn exclaimed loudly:
    - Lord! You see - Muscovites are all the same. Enough words, it's time to speak with swords!
    Deadlock glanced at the motley-clad Khan.
    - You, Murza, apparently did not hear Russian swords - you yelled like a rooster on a perch. Sovereign, again, you interrupt, ignoramus - he has not yet given those words. Before the women, shto, clueless? Even spur tinkle - they love it - and suddenly winked with a cheerful eye the young women sitting on the carpet around Mamaev’s daughter.
    Altyn suffocated, froze with his mouth open. The silence was broken by laughter in the back rows of the retinue, intensified, turned into laughter, even Mamai grinned - so quickly this Russian prince saw through Altyn. The haters of the Horde mischief took their souls, rude jokes flew along the retinue - now it was possible not to be afraid of Mamayev’s favorite anger, because all of him would fall on the Muscovite .. "

    Some love ... to ring.
  49. Million 18 May 2020 22: 23 New
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    In today's Russia, there is a lot of falsehood that is surprising.
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      Quote: Million
      In today's Russia, there is a lot of falsehood that is surprising.

      Yes. Russia today is not ours. Our mother is sold.
  50. zwlad 18 May 2020 23: 20 New
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    Bold plus per article.
    I, too, shocked by the stellarfall that hit our contemporaries.
  51. Bat039 19 May 2020 00: 14 New
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    The very term VICTORY admitted by the author already speaks of his Russophobia and the recent mind ...
  52. ugrums1961 19 May 2020 07: 31 New
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    I had a math teacher in elementary grades, my right hand hung like a whip - during the war he was in the same army as the first shock near Leningrad, which was still led by the not traitor Vlasov, so he told how they shared sugar dust in the unit already surrounded, one turns away and he says to whom this spoon with breadcrumbs and in it a big crumb so that the rest of the hearts are beating, maybe they’ll call it so that the soldiers of the time of the war were malnourished and had very teeth, but were wiry in essence, and you look at the reenactors, well-fed s hogs. They are not reconstructors, but the copyist and the awards must be a copy with a capital letter, so that people do not confuse the case and bow to the copyist. Well, let the rest with trinkets, even if they all put on scales, nobody would give a damn to me, I would like to at least have a general in a skirt, even though I could hang all my breasts in crosses and another fifth point.
    1. ugrums1961 19 May 2020 07: 33 New
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      I apologize for the sugar smartphone, I changed what sugar is sugar
  53. HaByxoDaBHocep 19 May 2020 07: 36 New
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    I have three departmental medals and one Lapel pin Vashnyy "For distinction in service" of the 2nd degree, I never wore them anywhere, I’m not ashamed to wear them on May 9, just my personal opinion, which I have the right to the Day Victory of Dressing
  54. Old tanker 19 May 2020 08: 49 New
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    The correct article! For a long time infuriating trinket mess! But the discrediting of the awards did not begin with the advent of the lover of all the brilliant Shoigu as the Minister of Defense. Although in this matter he will soon surpass Boezhnev. And also in Soviet times. When, starting from the 25th anniversary, every 5 years, veterans were hung on their chests with a jubilee medal in honor of the Victory Day. You look at the veteran’s chest, and he has real military awards during the day ... And how real warriors were indignant when for 40 years of Victory all (!) Participants in the war were awarded the Order of the Patriotic War II degree. Thus, having depreciated it to the level of a jubilee medal. The same thing happened in modern Russia with the Zhukov medal, which was also awarded to each participant in the war. Someone, at that time, shed blood for this award in Chechnya and risked their lives, but someone was given the fact that he was a participant in the Second World War. Well, at least they guessed the veteran medals to be made inappropriate. But this is a bad comfort.
    In addition to veteran jubilee, there were every 10 years anniversary medals of the USSR Armed Forces, which were presented by both military personnel and veterans. It is worth recalling the medal "100 years of V.I. Lenin."
    Well, already in the "sovereign" Russia it started ... Hypertrophied! Medal, not a badge, for participating in the parade on Red Square. A chest medal, not a table medal for an excellent graduation. Well and further for any reason a medal. So teenagers appeared with jewelry on their breasts, the number of which they compare with the heroes-aces of the Second World War.
    And I still have in my memory how proud I was of one order of the Red Star of a cousin uncle. After all, he was a scout and wounded behind the front line ... For that and the order. But his grandfather, the entire wounded disabled person was proud of one medal "For the Defense of Leningrad", where he was crippled in October 1941. But another of my relatives passed two years of Afghanistan without rewards. Well, he didn’t accomplish anything heroic, although he served honestly. And this is normal.
    Well, now breastfeeding is just some kind of frenzy. And it began with the anniversary medals of the USSR.
    About the rewarding with real and significant state awards of the "great" Russians for the "greatest" services, I will not say anything.
  55. Olgovich 19 May 2020 10: 55 New
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    He wore a pilot in the army, the same as my grandfathers in WWII.

    And I bought these for my grandchildren, and on May 9, they dress with pleasure and, accordingly, will know how to great-great-grandfathers Looked, I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    The rewards of that war are, of course, sacred; they can only be carefully stored. By the way, when the grandfather died, the military enlistment office tried to pick up the awards, supposedly, there was such a law. Do not give ....

    one can, probably, also: he saw them on an immortal shelf, women carried portraits of their fathers and on the pillow underneath were their awards.

    But I won’t do it myself ....
  56. Old26 19 May 2020 13: 47 New
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    "It's time to end with this comedy" ... I agree. Just start with where the legs grow from. More precisely with those at the highest level. They drove the status of state awards under the baseboard.

    With tongue removed. And here the boy is in Suvorov uniform, if the statute of the jubilee college medal provides for the possibility of rewarding him. Not "for graduation of grades 6-8", but the jubilee medal of the institution

    The reward system, as someone from comrades already wrote, if not 100%, then degraded. Hence the "iconostases". It is necessary to restore order not only in the award system, but also in the issue of "copies / replicas". Then there may be a decrease in those who want to wear all these (sorry) trinkets. Me always. Again, I apologize "turned" from our Cossacks. He is 25-30 years old and has more rewards on his chest than my father did after the war ended. Moreover, some awards have been significantly more than 100 years old. It’s the same if I donned my father’s awards received at the front (to which I have no rights)

    The novel, of course, raised a rather serious topic, although it is not clear why he took up arms against girls in uniform and with awards? And if they are the same reenactors or participants in a theatrical performance. Even if not completely theatrical. It is difficult to call the laying of flowers or wreaths a theater, but nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with the fact that he (she) participated in such a laying in the form and with "copies" of awards, to be honest I do not see.
    On my shelf now is probably the rarity edition of the Order and Medals of the USSR (issue of the late 80s). So there is not only a description of these awards, but also their status. For what they gave and in what cases. Now, many awards may also appear in show men, including

    About Kiriyenko. It was rumored that he, as the head of Rosatom, was awarded for creating, well, let's say the “heart” of the same “Petrel” and “Poseidon”. The question is different. Destroy the USSR award system was very simple. The name “Hero of the Soviet Union” and “hero of Socialist labor” to the then leadership of Russia was like a sickle for what you yourself know. Well, the titles “Hero of the Soviet Union” and “Hero of Socialist Labor” were removed. Instead of the first award, a new “Hero of Russia” was created. And is there now an analogue of the GTS called “Hero of Labor” or “Hero of Labor of Russia.” Then the reward of Kiriyenko and others whose activities are not related to the achievement of a feat would be evaluated as expected. Look at our General and Chief Designers in the USSR. the reward was namely, the Hero of Socialist Labor.

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    I would generally prohibit the wearing at public events of any awards other than personal combat.

    Not the best option. And if a person from the time of the USSR has a medal "For Labor Valor" or the Order of the Red Banner of Labor (or Order of the Badge of Honor) and he deserves these awards, why should he not "hide" these awards at public events? In addition, people of science receive awards for what they have done, the same athletes for outstanding achievements ...
  57. Aleksandr56478 19 May 2020 16: 18 New
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    With such an attitude to the Holiday, the merits of our ancestors are devalued. Unfortunately, every year this Day more and more turns into a masquerade ball, with strippers in military uniforms and shorts (as I see this on the Internet, my fists are inevitably clenched), with mummers in military uniforms and orders (although it can be seen by age, that were born in the 50s), with drawings on cars and idiotic expressions like “can repeat”, etc. This day was supposed to be sacred, sacred in its essence. As in ancient Sparta, the representative elite only a free citizen could become, after dying in battle (now we see how this word lost its sacred meaning and blacksmiths and money-lenders joined the elite). So initiation to this Day should have been a sacred act. This is the only way to save and convey the whole meaning of the achievement of our ancestors to our descendants.
  58. fyvaprold 19 May 2020 17: 40 New
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    Another vyser. Waiting for a ban.
  59. RwFanat_Kirov 19 May 2020 21: 58 New
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    Soon it will be like in a song:
    "There was a Cossack somewhere in the distance
    There was a medal on his chest ... "
  60. Pushkar 19 May 2020 23: 08 New
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    Since in essence reenactors are actually keepers of history, And how in Soviet times did we know how the soldiers of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Brusilov were dressed, did we know without the mummers? Maybe from films in which there were military consultants? Maybe in school books? Roman, excuse me, but your articles lately have looked like some kind of "liveliness" of the site - either the monuments to Krasnov, or the reenactors saving historical memory. Are you throwing firewood?
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      Quote: Pushkar
      And how in Soviet times did we know how the soldiers of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Brusilov were dressed, did we know without the mummers?

      In fact, the panorama of the Battle of Borodino was completely restored after the Great Patriotic War, and already in 1962 was opened in Moscow on Kutuzovsky Prospekt in a new building.

      Quote: Pushkar
      Maybe from films in which there were military consultants?

      Of course, we watched Bondarchuk's “War and Peace”, the movie “Going through the Brunts”, and later “The Adjutant of His Excellency”, “Turbin Days” on television. So the idea of ​​the form in which our ancestors fought we had - more precisely, those who were seriously interested in this could see all this in the form of paintings by artists, illustrations of books and in films.
  61. CosmoKot 20 May 2020 10: 24 New
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    Soon, every general will look like a seasoned demobilization from the village of Kukevka, or a sky-high village, everything goes to this laughing
  62. Bear040 20 May 2020 11: 21 New
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    Again on the site Russophobia and Bandera’s excuses were stunned, not by victoriousness, but by BANDEROBESY ... Leave Russia, gentlemen Yablochniki, your place in the Lviv pub, from which your idol Grishka Yavlinsky crawled
  63. vadimtt 20 May 2020 19: 13 New
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    Kiriyenko was in vain mentioned, one of the very few who deserved, honestly and bluntly. But if they give the same Rogozin - then oh.
    And yes, as for the reconstruction of the Great Patriotic War, it is necessary to wait, at least for up to 100 years. So far, alive for many.
  64. Old26 20 May 2020 22: 30 New
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    Quote: Aleksandr56478
    Unfortunately, every year more and more this Day turns into a masquerade ball, with strippers in uniform and underpants

    This is primarily due to structures such as the ministry (or administration) of culture in a particular subject of the federation. Because for any action (of course, except for striptease) a script is written, which is first approved, and then must be strictly executed. Strippers are most likely from the repertoire of some night club (there is hardly any way to do anything there, the main one is the owner). And everything in open areas is under control. And if the holiday turns into a masquerade ball - it means there are always "extreme" ...

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    Since in essence reenactors are actually keepers of history, And how in Soviet times did we know how the soldiers of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Brusilov were dressed, did we know without the mummers? Maybe from films in which there were military consultants? Maybe in school books? Roman, excuse me, but your articles lately have looked like some kind of "liveliness" of the site - either the monuments to Krasnov, or the reenactors saving historical memory. Are you throwing firewood?

    I apologize, Sergey, but are you sure that in Soviet times we knew how the soldiers of Suvorov or Kutuzov, Brusilov were dressed ?? This was then the lot of very few. Another thing is that then there were always consultants in the films, so there was a minimum of mistakes. And everyone else? Well, offhand, how did the uniform of the hussars of the Lubensky hussar regiment differ from the form of the Mariupol hussar regiment? I think even not so many people will name the differences now. Unless only the reenactors and those who are interested in uniforms ... And the reenactors did and are doing a great job. Each club sometimes has its own era, which is unknown to us.
    And yet they should not be called mummers. But Madame in general uniform with the Golden Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union, Hero of Socialist Labor, three orders of the Patriotic War and without the medal "For Victory over Germany" - she, like the others like hers, is really mummers.
  65. Brigadier 22 May 2020 11: 21 New
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    " How will we never know what feat Hero of Russia Kiriyenko accomplished. "

    He accomplished the greatest feat of all time. was close to Putin!
    And it is interesting, in the register of his award it is recorded that the basis for its receipt is proximity to Putin?
  66. Ragoz 22 May 2020 23: 10 New
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    Putin’s orders turned into tins for rewarding the October Revolution, (2-3 grades of a seven-year school).
  67. ccsr 23 May 2020 12: 54 New
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    P.S. Perhaps I disappointed the people who wrote to us. Sorry, but this is an investigation. And against the background of what is happening in the country as a whole, the reenactors are far from the most harmful part of our society. And in my opinion - very useful. Although not the easiest to communicate often.

    Author:
    Roman Skomorokhov
    I think that you are exhausted, and began to replicate your old articles, slightly correcting them. Didn’t you write this in June last year, using the same material:
    "Ryazhenka" in all levels from the bottom to the top. Legalized and merciless. But then the last and fair question: what remains for us to respect in this situation?
    Is it only the opportunity to get up and buy everything: the position, uniform, and awards.
    The logical outcome in this case.

    https://topwar.ru/159017-rjazhenye-kak-osnova-gosudarstvennoj-diskreditacii-rossii.html
    Maybe it’s not worth repeating so often with the same material - give readers something new, and not something that they have not yet forgotten.
  68. Alex.ET 24 May 2020 23: 45 New
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    Real rewards with such a bunch of anniversary tinsel are discounted.
    To the reenactors, I think copies are acceptable for demonstration, no originals.
    Grandchildren \ great-grandchildren on a pillow with a photo of a hero.
    I believe that these awards should clearly differ from signs like "for participation ..." and from the anniversary. Do you need anniversary awards in principle ?!