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Our real tomorrow: mummers or guardians?

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The mail has arrived. From Voronezh. It’s somewhat disruptive, such as “What kind of chaos is happening”, but the essence is simple: on May 9, leaning on all the bans, a number of citizens who had similarities with the reenactors arranged a certain event.

In general, nothing quite like that, well, they came, laid flowers, showed portraits of veterans on cameras. It is clear that all this was contrary to the decree of the governor, but in general the decree there wasn’t really that way ... To drop sneakers, hurry to sit at home on May 9. In general, this is on everyone’s conscience; he himself did not sit at home. What others to judge?

I don’t want to discuss the fact that distances, masks, because everything is just nonsense.

So from the entire letter for consideration I took only the negative in relation to what was hanging on the chests of some reenactors.

In general, that moment most of all plunged into the negative of the reader. Well, I agree, the order of Glory in the form of a citizen ... well, it doesn’t look at all.

I started to understand. And the further, the more interesting it became.

So in the style of the late Zadornov I’ll ask everyone who is interested to be patient, everything is really not so simple and even informative.

To begin with, I venture to give a definition of who, where and how can hang something on myself from: awards, copies, signs, badges and so on.

Naturally, I couldn’t untwist all of this myself, therefore I asked for help, which they didn’t refuse me, and they explained everything so coolly.

Therefore, using my right, I want to express my most sincere gratitude to the experts who spent a lot of their personal time on me:

Maxim Bochkov
Dmitry Bystrov
Elena Kirillova
Andrei Bondar


These people are very famous in the reconstruction environment, so I'm sure the level of my experts is more than adequate.

And now let's go and go from the very beginning.

About what is happening in our country in terms of awards, I will say later. In the end. Although it’s all in the know, that is complete mess and mess. But then our reality is simultaneously with the generals from the press services.

But still, the Great Patriotic War is still something unshakably holy. And the rewards of that war still (with rare exceptions) do not touch with dirty hands. And the rare exceptions due to the Internet are very quickly exposed to ridicule and condemnation, so that for now you can fall asleep.

Let me emphasize the word “Bye”. Fat like that.

In the meantime, a man in a military uniform of the times of World War II with awards of the same time on this uniform can appear before us without conviction in just a few cases:

1. He is a participant in the filming of a historical film.
2. He is a member of the theatrical production, both on the stage and outside it.


In principle, historical reconstruction is a variant of theatrical production. And in this aspect, I completely without problems and remorse allow the participants of this event to wear copies of awards for the sake of historical conformity.

In our example, which in the photo, of course, we are not talking about reconstruction. This is the usual civil procedure for laying flowers on Memorial Day performed by people dressed in the uniform of soldiers of that time. Are such fake rewards appropriate here? Yes, and the form itself is not particularly appropriate. This is still not part of the theatrical performance, it must be understood.

In this case, I am sorry that the club leader, who allowed such an (probably uncoordinated) event, thought only of PR.

I am well aware of who these people are, I will not give names and surnames precisely because I do not want to do additional advertising. What these citizens did is not entirely beautiful, and defiant at the same time. And we will end with this, of course, they may have their own position on this issue, but it is not entirely appropriate here.

But let's talk about the awards in full.

For those who are not in the know, it will be interesting to know that there are rewards in the reconstruction movement. Actually, this is logical. Military historical clubs are often quite registered organizations, of course, public organizations, and therefore have the right to release their order products.

From the point of view of the law, everything is clean.

But there is a nuance.

As one of the experts explained to me, club awards, as well as awards dedicated to events held, they are deliberately ordered very similar to real ones. Intentionally, for what purpose: in order to use them as props in performances.

This is done as follows: the order (or medal) is ordered so as to be as similar as possible from a distance to the original. And point-blank, from a distance of 2-3 meters, it would be obvious that this is not even a copy, but ... however, judge for yourself.



From these figures it is clear that the Order of Glory is one thing, and the "Order" of the Glory of the Red Army is another. But from a distance, one really does not understand what a person hangs there. Order, copy or "order".

And almost every of the reenactors has a whole collection of such “orders” and “medals”.

Our real tomorrow: mummers or guardians?

This is a collection of one of the experts.

As I understood from the answers to my questions, there is no system in this matter. Installation documents too. My questions about how and who can wear what, received answers, from which it followed that all this was personally on the conscience of each individual person.

Here is what one of the interviewees told me:

“Specifically, there is no award system in the reconstruction movement. There is one general rule: these state awards can only be worn, but this, as you know, is rare. (Let me remind you, the Order of the Red Star, Red Banner, the medal "For Courage" and "For Military Merit" people received in Afghanistan. - Auth.)

Wearing state decorations native of that time is NOT YOURSELF punished. Stylized for those awards to the point of confusion and other trinkets for participating in some event, you can wear it, but all this is left to the conscience and vanity of the re-enactor.

If it is about putting on something to participate in the reconstruction, such things are done only with the permission of the organizer and only stylized. That is, from 3 meters it is the Order of the Red Banner, closer we see a slightly smaller size, and inside it says “Battlefield 2017”.

I personally put on a reward when appropriate, wearing one reward. And then, if an ordinary, then I don’t put on a fight at all. If I win back the victorious soldier who returned from the front after the victory, then 1-2 soldiers’s awards. And all the trinkets I never hang. "

Actually, here. Everything is very well formulated and gives a complete picture for understanding.

That is, anyone who wants to can wear anything. Self-regulation, so to speak. And effective, because today it’s difficult for me to imagine a person in a reconstruction environment who will carry two metals on himself. They will dishonor their own.

If you think about it, there is nothing like this here, except for this very similarity. You look at the medal - it seems to be taking Vienna. Point blank - nothing like that.



It is very difficult to determine the line of reason in this case. On the one hand - it seems like a good idea, and nobody touches real awards, on the other - this similarity has plunged and will plunge into fury those who understand this.

That's it, we finish with the reenactors before the end of the material and move on to the answer to the question that always worried those who have a mind. That is: what to do?

And everything is very simple. So that no one worries and does not fall into a righteous rage, you just need to make sure that everyone does not care.

And to do it is very simple. Easier than anyone ever thinks.

It is necessary that no one pay attention to a person with rewards in a uniform / jacket. Whatever it is, even the Hero of Russia.

Although everything is already normal with the Hero of Labor of Russia, after the merits of Mr. Rotenberg. Work, so to speak, is underway.



However, the Hero of Russia Sergey Vladimirovich Kiriyenko also, except for a crooked smirk, causes nothing.

Hero of the Russian Federation (Hero of Russia - an unofficial version of the name) - the state award of the Russian Federation - the highest rank awarded for services to the state and people associated with the performance of a heroic feat.

What the heroic feat of Mr. Kirienko was, we obviously will never know.

How the discrediting of the order and medals of the order "For Merit to the Fatherland" is in full swing. They reward everyone ... They just reward everyone.

Citizens of Finland, for example, Ksenia Frank and Elena Timchenko. Order of Friendship. The daughter and wife of the most famous person in the country, Gennady Timchenko. Citizenship of Mrs. Frank does not prevent the latter from working in various structures under the President of Russia.

Medals for the Order of Merit to the Fatherland are distributed to rappers and pop singers, bloggers of both sexes, designers and fashion designers. The medal “For participation in the military operation in Syria” was awarded not only to those who fought and offered cartridges, but also to numerous artists who came with concerts.

For comparison, just for comparison: Lev Leshchenko, who skated in parts in Afghanistan from 1982 to 1989 and gave more than one hundred concerts there, was not awarded a military award. Order of the Badge of Honor.


The list of winners can be continued indefinitely. But there are all "their", so there is nothing, there is no sense.

However, there is one more point.

Education of the younger generations.

In general, the awarding of all the space on a uniform, tunic or jacket is an obligatory attribute of a totalitarian state. And here we also have complete order. Cadet schools, cadet corps, Cossack schools and corps work tirelessly in that field.








There is nothing to comment on. Everything, as they say, is in the photo.

But then what? And then these cadets, Cossacks and Suvorov troops will have a service. Well, with the majority. And immunity to metal tinkling on a tunic. And dozens of products from the assortment of “order products”, which are annually produced by the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Federal Security Service, the Federal Security Service, the Federal Penitentiary Service and other government agencies.

And of course, without "help" from public organizations in any way. There, starting with the strangest products from the Communist Party, which are essentially the same as the “medals” of the reenactors, and in fact became the first alterations in the history of the country.

About the Cossacks, as they say, "Hussars, keep quiet !!!"

Total And what is the “total”? And we have a very peculiar situation in the country.

The state stamps medals at an accelerated pace (the Ministry of Defense introduced 2012 departmental awards from 2020 to 53) and distribute them at the same pace. Let not everyone, but everyone who has the opportunity to receive.

Public organizations ... You know, just go to the site of an enterprise such as Chelznak to assess the scale of production. There are thousands of “orders” and medals for all occasions.

And even today you cannot really figure out (without being a specialist) where the state award is, where the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, where else what public organization. And it will only get worse, because the youngest carriers of Soviet awards, that is, the "Afghans", today are all 50 years old and older.




Soon they will be lost completely against the backdrop of a sparkling waterfall that adorns modern media.

What can I say, in the near future, if nothing changes in the policy of victory by May 9, we are doomed to the mass appearance of "reenactors of veterans of the Great Patriotic War."

That is, those who are today called "mummers." Who is laughed at and to whom the inconclusive statements to the authorities are written.

Soon real veterans of that war will go down in history. All. Ascribed to themselves years, sons of regiments, that's all. The idea that we can get to this does not give me real peace of mind. Before the reconstruction of the Great Patriotic War veterans. But everything tells us that we have a lot ahead and everything is moving towards that.

After all, the state itself encourages and arranges premium lawlessness. Moreover, without reporting specifically what heroic deeds of the same kind were accomplished by the same gentlemen Kiriyenko and Shoigu. Say I'm clinging? Sorry, that’s what the award’s statute says. Heroic feat! Where??? When???

Discrediting, followed by depreciation in the eyes of everyone and everything. Not the most beautiful future, is it? But the other is somehow not observed.

And now, in fact, the finale. And back to the reenactors.

I confess that, communicating with my voluntary assistants (once again, special thanks for the educational program to Elena and Dmitry), and then studying the topic, I very much changed my opinion on this issue.

I am sure that the reenactors will be surprised most of all now.

My conclusion is this: in a good way, the whole community of reenactors needs to think carefully about the fact that after a while, quite, incidentally, a little, they will remain the only custodians of the “correct” appearance of the victorious soldiers.

Therefore, it would be better to leave aside these badges in the style of the Communist Party, incomprehensible and inaudible, and for reconstruction, yes, it is during the reconstruction to use copies of these awards. In accordance with the reconstruction time.

In the end, I personally do not see anything wrong with that. If we accept that the re-enactor is an artist, an actor, depicting a soldier or officer of the Great Patriotic War or World War II, in the form and equipment as close as possible to the original, then why instead of awards corresponding to the era, you have to cling to it, don’t understand what?

I emphasize very boldly: only at events.

All other club meetings, rehearsals, civic events are best done without entourage at all.

Here is a soldier. Here is his form, here is his weapon. And here are his rewards.

And yes, I will allow myself to imagine that in 10 years, when there will definitely be no more veterans, it is precisely these people who will tell their children by example that this order in the form of a star was paid in blood. The same red.

And this is great, because bloggers, businessmen, rappers and others will never tell anyone how their rewards were paid. How will we never know what feat Hero of Russia Kiriyenko accomplished.

Therefore, I do not see anything shameful in applying (that is) as the props of copies of USSR awards by the rectors. On the contrary, one good. Credibility. And if for each award a person knows by heart its history, statute, the number of recipients, then in general.

Since, in essence, reenactors are actually keepers of history, no matter how inconsistent this community is (yes, there is something to criticize for), in fact, only they are those who can really show in the future “how it was” .

Well, not in the end, after all, count on the Russian Ministry of Culturelessness?

And as one historical character said: “To keep is an honorable thing too ...”

This is the kind of thinking. To the anger of the day and with one single piece of advice to the reenactors: you should think and give up Zyuganov’s practice of sculpting, don’t understand anything on the basis of old Soviet awards.

Well, if you comply - so in full. It will not be worse.

P.S. Perhaps I disappointed the people who wrote to us. Sorry, but this is an investigation. And against the background of what is happening in the country as a whole, the reenactors are far from the most harmful part of our society. And in my opinion - very useful. Although not the easiest to communicate often.
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  1. alone
    alone 18 May 2020 15: 13 New
    67
    He remembered Sharapov, who tore the Order of the Patriotic War from Fox ..
    Who needs these fake orders and medals? Now such a fashion, every fourth in a general's uniform, his chest is full of some kind of awards. And when you ask what for the order and for what he received, they rush to shout: "I shed blood in the war! Provacator, scoundrel!" .. And he himself is no more than 70 years old ..
    And cadets with medals are generally hilarious .. It's time to end with this comedy
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 18 May 2020 15: 50 New
      41
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk ...
      1. alone
        alone 18 May 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk.

        My uncle fought in 2 wars: Finnish and Great Patriotic War .. only 1 order and 4 medals .. And these pieces have 15 on their chest .. For 15-16 years old ..
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 00 New
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          Quote: lonely
          And these pieces have 15 on their breasts ... Samim 15-16 years ..

          Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.
          1. alone
            alone 18 May 2020 16: 02 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.

            Exactly good
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 11 New
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              Quote: lonely
              Exactly

              Already fed up with these "first-called" mummers with "chains" and "foliage", they still need to put a bronze bust instead of a head, well, so that immediately a man-monument, the world's first transformer. wassat
              1. alone
                alone 18 May 2020 16: 14 New
                23
                laughing laughing I saw a photo of the ataman, sitting so proud, on his chest 40 orders and medals ... and among them is the USSR-sky badge "Mother-heroine." belay I didn’t even look that I was hooked on a tunic wassat wassat
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 20 New
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                  Quote: lonely
                  I saw a photo of the ataman, sitting so proud, on his chest there are 40 orders and medals ... and among them is the USSR-sky badge "Mother Heroine." I didn't even look at what I hooked on my jacket

                  Well, there is a dedicated work to them! good
                  There was a dung somewhere in the distance.
                  On the chest was a medal:
                  "For courage", "For the victory",
                  "For a pleasant chat,"
                  "For the scientific works"
                  "For the protection of the whole environment",
                  two astronaut medals,
                  Warcraft player order,
                  putting the TRP symbol,
                  "Passage THAT",
                  Pregnancy Club "Crane",
                  Wardrobe DK "Hydraulics",
                  "Altavista dot com",
                  "Society of fungus patients",
                  The captain of the game "Zarnitsa"
                  "Gomel mental hospital",
                  snuffbox, and flint,
                  eight caps from beer,
                  "Gypsy Dance Festival"
                  "Crane operator, work in a helmet!"
                  "Beware of the bike,"
                  "Thirty-eight Years of Victory"
                  Order of the RSFSR,
                  secret order "Templar"
                  gum liner "Lyolik-Bolik"
                  "Anonymous alcoholic",
                  "Club of wine connoisseurs",
                  Symbol of shit punk,
                  SUSE-Linux, Business Tim,
                  In “РўС‹ РЅРґР ° - ”РІРѕСЂРѕРґ РїРѕР ± СЂР ° тим”
                  "The most experienced driver"
                  "The best boar-maker",
                  sign "Honorary diver",
                  sticker "Yeltsin-ganduras (mat)",
                  Oktyabryatskaya star,
                  "The heroine mother of labor"
                  blood type, and Ay-Pi,
                  and the pacific on the chain.
                2. akunin
                  akunin 19 May 2020 17: 02 New
                  +3
                  Quote: lonely
                  and among them is the USSR-sky icon "Mother Heroine."


                  in general, this is an order. maybe in a past life he was a Cossack, gave birth to children, and on vacation, in Thailand (drunk), he got a demon (cut off at the top, sewn at the bottom).
              2. Revival
                Revival 18 May 2020 19: 56 New
                +5
                Right to the point
              3. Revival
                Revival 18 May 2020 19: 57 New
                +8
                Empty people, especially strive to fill the inner void with external tinsel.
                This is a diagnosis ...
              4. New Year day
                New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 41 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Already fed up with these "first-called" mummers with "chains" and "foliage"

                this is a disease request
                1. DED_peer_DED
                  DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 22: 50 New
                  +3
                  this is a disease

                  I trust you as a doctor :)
          2. WIKI
            WIKI 18 May 2020 17: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: Stroporez
            Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.

            Many fans of show-offs can be found among white-haired gray hair. The value of the awards, as my father said, was determined by the fact that money was paid for them. He had four of these. And the rest is all bling.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 May 2020 16: 35 New
          10
          Quote: lonely
          My uncle fought in 2 wars: Finnish and Great Patriotic War .. only 1 order and 4 medals.

          My father has Finnish to Japanese, a battery commander, two orders, one for the Second World War, the second for the Japanese, and four medals
        3. Old tanker
          Old tanker 19 May 2020 09: 27 New
          +3
          My grandfather went through Finnish and in the fall of 41 he was crippled near Leningrad. A career officer in a reconnaissance battalion. The most valuable award "For the Defense of Leningrad".
        4. FIR FIR
          FIR FIR 20 May 2020 11: 06 New
          +1
          I have a father reserve officer. 24 years in the army. Three medals in 24 years and a badge of graduation from a military school.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 May 2020 16: 56 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk.

        When I asked my grandfather, a member of the First World War, my grandfather, why did you have one "Yegor" and one medal, he answered. A good soldier should have as much, and who has more, and the rest from the evil one.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 20 May 2020 20: 45 New
          +1
          Why not? Your grandfather exaggerated somewhat. My father had "Courage", to which in the 70s, perhaps, was added "Patriotic War" II degree - they were given to those who survived, "For the defense of the Caucasus", "For the capture of Budapest", "For the victory over Germany" , jubilee medals (20, 30, 40 years of Victory) and "Badge of Honor" for civic activities. In my opinion, there is nothing of the evil here.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 21 May 2020 09: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai Korovin
            Why not? Your grandfather exaggerated somewhat. My father had "Courage", to which in the 70s, perhaps, was added "Patriotic War" II degree

            That's all he got for the Second World War. Medals for "capture and liberation" were given to all those who participated in this or that case.
      3. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 18 May 2020 17: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        Depreciation comes in all and medals as well.

        Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago. When a handful of orders were automatically attached to the post. The only difference is that at least then there were purely military awards that you won’t get in your office. And with us ... And with us it’s not that the gunpowder was not sniffed, but simply that a deviator from the service can become a Hero of Russia. Oh how. Alas and ah.
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 22: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago.

          We are all not without sin.
          Even some of our new saints sometimes fell for "orders".
          We are all humans.
          Give us (me) respect ...
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 May 2020 16: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          The only difference is that at least then there were purely military awards that you won’t get in your office.

          In the Empire, at first, officers could even receive "George" for length of service: 25 years in the field service or 18 campaigns in the sea. In 1833, the condition of participation in at least one battle was added to this category, and in 1855 it was canceled altogether.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 May 2020 09: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago. When a handful of orders were automatically attached to the post.

          These things went from the English crown, there were sold, titles, positions and orders. And everything is official. There is a penny officer, a little penniless sergeant, no pennies private.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 May 2020 15: 51 New
      -25
      I don’t know how in the cadet and in Suvorov’s everything is on the topic. Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the courseworks this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.
      1. alone
        alone 18 May 2020 15: 53 New
        22
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I don’t know how in the cadet and in Suvorov’s everything is on the topic. Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the courseworks this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.

        Why is this necessary? enough special icons
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 02 New
          -22
          anniversary. MSVU 70 years. or 75 years of Suvorov schools as an example. why not wear them? if you look at the photo, it is precisely among the Suvorovites that it weighs the least. and that's it. again, do not forget that they don’t wear anything at all. and a parade is a parade.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 16: 18 New
            +9
            Quote: carstorm 11
            anniversary. MSVU 70 years. or 75 years of Suvorov schools as an example. why not wear them?

            Why the hell are they like fighting?
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            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 23 New
              -12
              what are they brushing off? what is there with the military in common? [center][/ Center
              the tractor also has tracks, but this does not mean that it looks like a tank. the photos are not mine but I think you’ll find it yourself if you wish.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 06 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the coursework this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.

        And you imagine an 11th grade student with medals for the end of each class wassat This is not a schoolboy, this is LEGEND! laughing laughing laughing
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 20 New
          -26
          and who is talking about schoolchildren? excuse me, but these are two different things. to study at school and in IEDs. with which they are radically different. I studied in Ussuriysky. my father is in Kalinsky. I know with what to compare.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 27 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            to study at school and in IEDs. with which they are radically different. I studied in Ussuriysky. my father is in Kalinsky. I know with what to compare.

            There are signs of graduation from military schools, military schools and Suvorov schools. This is enough, tell the other about each other at a meeting with graduates. laughing
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 41 New
              -32
              enough for whom? you? ) would you like to send your child to Suvorov? and listen to his opinion on this subject?
              1. victor50
                victor50 18 May 2020 17: 08 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                would you like to send your child to Suvorovskoye? and listen to his opinion on this subject?

                My friends have a grandson there. Grandparents, parents and the cadet are just happy. So don’t be scared here. And yet, judging by your literacy, how would it be softer ... Your passage about comparing schools and IEDs .... In general, you did not honor the IEDs.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 41 New
                  -20
                  scare? What are you talking about? literacy? are you normal?) would you like to send your children there?)))
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 47 New
                  -9
                  scare? I just invited the cadet to choose which is better. It’s hard for most people here to understand what it is like to wear boots during school years while they run around girls and mother’s pies crack. Therefore, the cons are not surprised.
                3. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 19 May 2020 02: 44 New
                  -17
                  it's the internet. I did not follow literacy and I will not do it. commas are not there anyway. I always wrote this and will continue.
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 19 May 2020 21: 34 New
                    +4
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    it's the internet. I did not follow literacy and I will not do it. commas are not there anyway. I always wrote this and will continue.

                    Oh how raging! At the same time, teach everyone! Type: this is the Internet - you can carry any garbage. The Internet is .... laughing
          2. Sanya Terek
            Sanya Terek 18 May 2020 17: 49 New
            +5
            Did you receive many medals during your studies at the SVU? There were badges for the anniversary of the school (units), which in design were absolutely not similar to "signs of military valor".
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 44 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            I know with what to compare.

            with something your cadets become similar to this person with their tzatski
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 48 New
              -19
              walk in the forest. therefore, the VO got corrupted that people like you don’t understand the difference between studying at school under my mother’s skirt and Suvorov’s alone. therefore, you will never understand.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 19 May 2020 22: 52 New
                0
                Quote: carstorm 11
                you don’t understand the difference between studying at school under my mother’s skirt and in Suvorov’s alone

                tsatski - with what? Or for the absence of a mother, tzatskki is given out? laughing
              2. Tamer
                Tamer 22 May 2020 13: 21 New
                0
                Quote: carstorm 11
                walk in the forest. therefore, the VO got corrupted that people like you don’t understand the difference between studying at school under my mother’s skirt and Suvorov’s alone. therefore, you will never understand.

                at IEDs and schools, the difference does not end there. There are still boarding schools, and not those that are for gifted young physicists, etc.
                And then there is arrogance towards the "nesuvorovtsy".
            2. Fing
              Fing 19 May 2020 02: 14 New
              +4
              Not the most successful example. Senior sergeant, deputy platoon. Air Defense Forces. Do not confuse warm with soft.
              1. tech3030
                tech3030 19 May 2020 15: 23 New
                +2
                In the photo I see a junior sergeant. Sergeant three, the eldest one wide as far as I remember.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 19 May 2020 22: 53 New
                +2
                Quote: Fing
                Not the most successful example. Senior sergeant, deputy platoon. Air Defense Forces. Do not confuse warm with soft.

                shoulder straps of sergeant and colonel general, in my opinion, differ laughing
            3. TANKISTONE
              TANKISTONE 19 May 2020 17: 03 New
              +1
              Is it Pinochet? Yes? laughing
          4. Old tanker
            Old tanker 19 May 2020 09: 51 New
            +9
            So it is in you that cadet solidarity trembles. But in fact, at the time of your father, there must have been no trinkets on his chest by the end of the school. Well, maybe one for the parade, if you participated, or 70 USSR forces, if you hit. And that was normal. When I entered the school, we did not have a single cadet with medals. But it was the last Soviet set.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 19 May 2020 10: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Old Tankman
              So it is in you that cadet solidarity trembles.

              What's bad about it? By the way, even from abroad, former Cadets came to Russia, who ended up abroad after the revolution, and completed their studies there, but always remembered that they were Russian people and honored their traditions. They even passed a ceremonial parade, and they were over eighty.
              Quote: Old Tankman
              But in fact, at the time of your father, there must have been no trinkets on his chest by the end of the school.

              Not quite so - some cadets could receive “For military valor. In commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. " I saw these while studying.
              Quote: Old Tankman
              Well, maybe one for the parade, if you participated, or 70 USSR forces, if you hit.

              They didn’t give any medals for the parade, as well as jubilee medals to cadets of military schools - I don’t remember that. Not all cadets reached graduation, that's why it was somehow not accepted to award them with anniversary medals.
              Quote: Old Tankman
              When I entered the school, we did not have a single cadet with medals.

              And I have not seen any such.
              1. Pushkar
                Pushkar 19 May 2020 22: 52 New
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                former cadets came to Russia,

                Quote: ccsr
                some cadets could for the difference

                Do not confuse, gentleman, the Cadets with the cadets (pre-revolutionary cadets). Some are children in a paramilitary special school, others are students of military schools who receive primary officer ranks upon graduation.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  Do not confuse, mister, cadets with cadets (pre-revolutionary cadets)

                  I don’t confuse - several cadets studied with us, and I am aware of their traditions, such as shoulder straps bolted to the badge inside the officer’s tunic. One of them now maintains contact with the Russian cadets of foreign countries, it was they who first studied at cadet schools, then to enter the cadet or military school.
                  Learn at least this to get you started:
                  After October 1917, at the beginning of the Civil War, some cadet corps were disbanded, and some of them were forced to leave Russia *. Many graduate cadets went to the front of the Civil War and fought in parts of the White Army. Younger cadets were evacuated from the country through the Crimea and the Far East. Cadet corpses rescued from destruction continued their work in the countries of the Russian scattering - in China, Tunisia, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. Part of the buildings was subsequently closed, some were disbanded and redistributed by the pupils in other buildings. In 1930, in France, in Versailles, the new Corps-Lyceum of Emperor Nicholas II was established, which lasted until 1964.

                  https://magazines.gorky.media/nj/2010/259/rossijskie-kadetskie-korpusa-v-serbii-1920-1944.html
        2. Bastinda
          Bastinda 18 May 2020 16: 47 New
          +9
          Medal "For the capture of the dining room"! laughing
          But seriously - a little scary. From my grandfather 2 orders of the "Red Star" and medals remained. I don't want to tell my son, he doesn't know anything about it ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 18 May 2020 17: 01 New
            15
            Why doesn't your son know about this !? This is how our historical memory ends.
            1. Bastinda
              Bastinda 18 May 2020 17: 03 New
              -1
              Since 7 years not with me. Now he is 20.
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 18 May 2020 17: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Bastinda
            From my grandfather 2 orders of the "Red Star" and medals remained. I don't want to tell my son, he doesn't know anything about it ...

            Why doesn't he know?
          3. val43
            val43 19 May 2020 10: 29 New
            +1
            I don’t want to pass it on to my son, he doesn’t know anything about this ...
            So you are a bad father. My knows. That which is not with you does not justify you.
        3. Revival
          Revival 18 May 2020 23: 07 New
          0
          And 30, 35, 40, 490 years of school!
      3. AUL
        AUL 19 May 2020 11: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Now they are taking after the 5th grade and judging by the coursework this is a graduate. commemorative medals and signs over the years are hard to miss.

        And what are these medals talking about? What did he unlearn the due date?
        A medal is a sign differences(not to mention the order). A reward for any outstanding deed. What heroic did these guys manage to accomplish? Let's then introduce the medals "For the end of the 6th grade (7th, 8th, etc.)" at school. By the way, in the army, the medal "For N Years of Impeccable Service" does not enjoy special respect, it is called "For Sand". It's time - get it! There is a rhyme among the officers:
        And on his mighty chest
        Solid, in several rows
        One medal hung in a bunch
        And that - for the length of service!
        The trouble is that the awards are depreciating in the eyes of people, and those that are really received for some outstanding services are lost against all sorts of anniversary and departmental ones.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 18 May 2020 16: 59 New
      15
      "It's time to end this comedy" ... I agree. You just need to start with where the legs grow from. More precisely, with those at the highest level. They drove the statute of state awards under the plinth.
      1. alone
        alone 18 May 2020 17: 06 New
        10
        Quote: 210ox
        "It's time to end this comedy" ... I agree. You just need to start with where the legs grow from. More precisely, with those at the highest level. They drove the statute of state awards under the plinth.

        Yeah .. Right you say .. Rotenberg -Hero of Labor ... Generally, he’s fulfilled the plan ... He went down to the mines, fell asleep at the machines .. He ate sweetly, slept sweetly, drank money well .. oh yes - forgot. .When it was able to fight wassat And here you are - Hero of Labor ..
        I can also fight if that laughing laughing
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 18 May 2020 19: 32 New
        +1
        210 th, why are you so modest? name glavnyuk
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 51 New
        14
        Quote: 210ox
        You only need to start from where your legs grow from.

        And the legs grow straight from the head: Shoigu established 78 new medals and insignia (25 in the Ministry of Emergencies and 53 in the Ministry of Defense). For example, in 2014, it establishes the “Artist of the Greeks”, “For Merits in Logistics and Technical Support” medals, and even for the “World Championship“ Tank Biathlon - 2014 ”.
        Zolotov, the second lover of orders and medals, has established 4 medals in 16 years, but this is only in 4 years!
    4. Tavrik
      Tavrik 18 May 2020 17: 12 New
      +9
      We stigmatize America and immediately monkey. It is at West Point that cadets are awarded different distinctions, such as "Excellent in military subjects", "Excellent in general scientific disciplines", "Excellent in all subjects." We somehow learned without them. Only with the "VSK" icons. The fewer achievements, the more tinsel. More beautiful and different medals!
    5. Private89
      Private89 18 May 2020 19: 25 New
      +1
      I recalled the words from the song:
      "How much" courage "do you have?
      We have the rubas medal.
      No pain, blood, or wounds
      I bought everything - a veteran.
      Functionary deaf and dumb
      To avoid problems,
      After all, under such a movie
      The budget has been sawn for a long time. ”
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 18 May 2020 20: 36 New
      +9
      Quote: lonely
      He remembered Sharapov, who tore the Order of the Patriotic War from Fox ..
      Who needs these fake orders and medals? Now such a fashion, every fourth in a general's uniform, his chest is full of some kind of awards. And when you ask what for the order and for what he received, they rush to shout: "I shed blood in the war! Provacator, scoundrel!" .. And he himself is no more than 70 years old ..
      And cadets with medals are generally hilarious .. It's time to end with this comedy

      you late! The cadets are already with icostasis!
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 00: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: lonely
      cadets with medals in general scream .. It's time to end with this comedy

      It's time, then .... but who will do it in Putin's liberal Russia ?!
    8. your1970
      your1970 19 May 2020 14: 36 New
      -4
      Quote: Svarog
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk ...

      Quote: lonely
      Quote: Svarog
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well. They don’t understand the meaning, they treat the medal like a tsatsk.

      My uncle fought in 2 wars: Finnish and Great Patriotic War .. only 1 order and 4 medals .. And these pieces have 15 on their chest .. For 15-16 years old ..

      Quote: Stroporez
      Quote: lonely
      And these pieces have 15 on their breasts ... Samim 15-16 years ..

      Swindlers are taught to cheap show-offs.

      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Quote: Svarog
      Depreciation comes in all and medals as well.

      Just a return to the traditions of a hundred years ago. When a handful of orders were automatically attached to the post. The only difference is that at least then there were purely military awards that you won’t get in your office. And with us ... And with us it’s not that the gunpowder was not sniffed, but simply that a deviator from the service can become a Hero of Russia. Oh how. Alas and ah.

      What an expression! !!! ¡!!! What indignation !!!!! Bravo !!!!!! fool
      And the fact that it was not yesterday, and not even 30 years ago, began, remember weakly ???
      Pokryshkin has 3 Hero's stars for all his merits, and "dear Leonid Ilyich" has 4 !!!!!!!! And the Order of Victory !!!! from the Major General !!!!!
      Is this not a depreciation?
      Or when in 1985 they distributed the Order of the Patriotic War to all veterans ??? is this not a depreciation ??

      Z.Y. all minusers, the number of Brezhnev awards played a role in the fact that ALL Those who really deserved military awards, the bureaucrats began to say: "We didn't send you there !!!" ... The whole country watched this circus of Brezhnev hanging with medals
      1. your1970
        your1970 21 May 2020 10: 02 New
        -1
        And yet, my grandfather who fought (and was commissioned for wounding in 1943) in artillery and his neighbor, who served in the commandant’s office throughout Samara, BOTH received the Order of the Patriotic War in 1985 ..... why there was no war in Samara ... but they BOTH were equal according to his own merits ...
        Grandfather looked at his own, said "Iron" and put it in the chest of drawers - I made the slats for him on his medals, he wore them on May 9 - but he never wore the order.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 23 May 2020 11: 23 New
        +1
        Four times the hero Brezhnev certainly looked ridiculous and funny. A real military officer who sniffed gunpowder and bomb TNT fully fell into insanity and hardly adequately perceived the surrounding reality. Someone in the environment very skillfully created the "image of socialism" by shoving a sick old man hung with metal on the podium. One of the factors why it rolled in 91m.
  2. aglet
    aglet 18 May 2020 15: 23 New
    26
    the complete devaluation of all awards and merits. or rewrite the statute for approaching the body, for example. but in a simple way, they have put everything on a long time ago, the kindergarten wants to be a hero, it will be him. a surprise to Rotenberg is the hero’s star, like, for example, Ivan Kozhedub- it’s easy, all the same, a sun-faced friend, and this is a heroic feat. or a shoigu hero, well, just like Zinovy ​​Kolobanov, and that he didn’t die and didn’t accomplish feats, and don’t need to, here, most importantly, he has a friend with the right name, he can award him more than once, and not twice. Brezhnev-four times hero, so he fought, the whole war went through, but what merit did the same shoigu, or Serdyukov? sat next?
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 18 May 2020 15: 56 New
      12
      Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
        26
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.

        So they need to give out one big medal with a bas-relief of a friend of friends.
        1. depressant
          depressant 18 May 2020 16: 14 New
          +8
          Stoporez, applaud laughing))
      2. Alf
        Alf 18 May 2020 19: 23 New
        12
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.

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          1. Alf
            Alf 18 May 2020 21: 39 New
            +5
            Quote: Stroporez
            The martyr (I don’t know who he is) has only a Masonic order light bulb on his forehead,

            Not yet evening...
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 18 May 2020 15: 25 New
    16
    there is such a statement: the punishment of the innocent and the rewarding of the uninvolved ...
    those who like to flaunt their breasts in orders, usually from the second category ...
    true heroes never boast of their rewards ...
  4. pereselenec
    pereselenec 18 May 2020 15: 27 New
    39
    I would generally prohibit the wearing at public events of any awards other than personal combat. And then the abundance of tsatsk devalues ​​the real rewards of these veterans. There, from real combat officers in the 45th, a pair of medals, and from a non-serving Shoigu there is so much colored copper on his uniform, as if he personally took Berlin twice.


    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 18 May 2020 15: 50 New
      15
      Quote: pereselenec
      And then the abundance of tsatsk devalues ​​the real rewards of these veterans. There, from the real military officers in the 45th, a pair of medals, and from the non-serving Shoigu there is so much dyed copper on his uniform, as if he personally took Berlin twice.

      What is Berlin there? Here is better than merit:
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 18 May 2020 16: 08 New
        +4
        Well, what ?! Dembelems, therefore, can build a parade, but why are the generals worse? Also beautifully hotstsa!
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 12 New
        0

        Do you think there are a lot of fighting?
        1. Sanya Terek
          Sanya Terek 18 May 2020 18: 16 New
          10
          There are no military awards on officers and warrant officers, only for seniority and anniversary, plus badges, which in decent parts, were allowed to be worn only when the uniform was out of order.
          Compare the captain, in the 10th year of service, taking into account the time spent at the school (he did not serve for 10 full years, the first "sand" is absent) with one medal "70 years of the USSR Armed Forces" and an 11th grade student of the SVU with 2 MEDALS. A civilian knows little about this, for him a person with 4 medals of a parade participant is a more honored soldier than a serviceman with one medal "For Courage".
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 18 May 2020 23: 27 New
            -6
            That’s what I’ve said do not understand many.
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            2. Sanya Terek
              Sanya Terek 19 May 2020 03: 29 New
              +4
              Dmitry, therefore, wrote that it is impossible to make jubilee signs look like any awards, at least government, at least MO. I have two commemorative badges - a school badge and one of the parts where I served. Not one of them, even from afar, is like a reward.
              1. cost
                cost 22 May 2020 09: 14 New
                +1
                Dmitry, therefore, wrote that it is impossible to make jubilee signs look like any awards, at least government, at least MO. I have two commemorative badges - a school badge and one of the parts where I served. Not one of them, even from afar, is like a reward.

                a badge - it is also a badge in Africa, does not apply to the award. Therefore, it is completely with you.
                Here, for example, mine. Nothing like a reward
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 17: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: ROSS 42
        What is Berlin there? Here is better than merit:

        Suvorov has well-deserved rewards. And Shoigu? No one will explain to me why he has a Masonic order.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 May 2020 02: 49 New
          -13
          Yes, and you do not need. no one should report to you.
      4. Old tanker
        Old tanker 19 May 2020 10: 17 New
        +2
        Gerasimov is a combat officer! Two Chechnya passed. And he didn’t bow to bullets.
    2. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 18 May 2020 16: 07 New
      -43
      "not serving" Shoigu in the army enjoys much greater authority than his "served" predecessors who have gone from cadet to minister of defense hi And this is a logical result.
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      2. pereselenec
        pereselenec 18 May 2020 17: 57 New
        14
        Let the rating of your post answer you for the authority of the order bearer Shoigu.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 05: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: kot28.ru
        non-serving "Shoigu in the army enjoys much greater authority than his" served "predecessors

        Such woodpeckers did ...
  5. snake
    snake 18 May 2020 15: 40 New
    18
    Recently, an article on VO was about the fact that Americans, they say, have simplified the receipt of the Purple Heart medal. What will happen? Whose cow would moo, so what? We love to look at specks in the eyes of others ... oh, how we love ... Around is one window dressing. The whole country is like a Potemkin village.
  6. Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 18 May 2020 15: 46 New
    10
    The fish rots from the head.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 18 May 2020 17: 02 New
      10
      Quote: Oleg Zorin
      The fish rots from the head.

      Undoubtedly. But the funny thing is, Putin himself does not carry any awards, in principle. But to his friends, artists, singers, as well as their wives, children, etc. distributes the highest state awards right and left. The question is, why? And the answer is actually obvious. Many rulers resorted to this. Thus, he bribes their loyalty to themselves. Those. for him, as for many authoritarian rulers, personal loyalty is far above the interests of the country.
  7. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 18 May 2020 15: 46 New
    -12
    Forgive me now, Roman, but you can always tell me apart. in China, such crafts are stamped in huge boxes. Mom has been engaged in souvenirs and antiques for many years, and I saw everything and even what cannot be seen. Why do you mix military awards and peacetime awards, and this is fundamentally wrong. Well, let's just say that. my father had a lot of things in the days of the Union. but 90 percent of all these were anniversary. there so many years the Armed Forces and so on. on years. was some kind of German which was given to the GSVG. and there was a bunch of everything. The crab and the coffin were also worn. and it was worn by everyone. people who were not connected with the army did not understand, then and now, what kind of awards they were and all the time they asked why there were a lot of them and for what. besides, awards and anniversaries are rarely worn and everything can be fully understood by the planks.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 18: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Mom has been doing souvenirs and antiques for many years.

      Drugan sells a bronze chandelier from the Hermitage. Fit?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 18 May 2020 23: 30 New
        -4
        thank. not necessary. everything is fine with her. The expert assessment of stolen things does not pass. so let him return where he took it.
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 May 2020 15: 47 New
    12
    All as in verse
    "The Cossack was walking somewhere into the distance,
    There was a medal on my chest ... "

    And the last "stargazing" on the chest of pop, rap, wives and muddy personalities, I personally do not cause anything but disgust ...
  9. bar
    bar 18 May 2020 15: 54 New
    13
    I remembered an old book on psychiatry. A similar case was described there - a patient drew himself a certificate for the title "Hero of the World" with "the right to wear all orders, medals, badges and shiny objects."
    It's sad sad
    1. pereselenec
      pereselenec 18 May 2020 18: 02 New
      +3
      You offend - "three times hero of the world"

  10. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 15: 55 New
    10
    From these figures it is clear that the Order of Glory is one thing, and the "Order" of the Glory of the Red Army is another.
    and the question is to state bodies, including the heraldic chamber, who allowed it and how it agreed



    1. ccsr
      ccsr 18 May 2020 18: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Barmaleyka
      who allowed and how agreed it all

      Spit and forget these mummers - it doesn't matter to them what those who honestly deserve at least one medal think about them. I would be ashamed to put on themselves what they hung themselves, and they are even proud of this tinsel. This is the criterion for the attitude to the awards of the ancestors who fought in the Second World War.
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 18 May 2020 21: 29 New
      +2
      Well, the Red Star is real, the first or last. Who it?
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 34 New
        +2
        and where did you see the Red Star?
  11. Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 18 May 2020 15: 57 New
    22
    Well, gentlemen love the nullies to adorn themselves and friends and relatives of the fifth knee with sparkling tsatskas, especially not from their own pockets, but from the state. A penny to them all for the price and the rewards and the rewarded. The people already know their heroes, indeed those who deserve honor and respect from their homeland. And these temporary workers with shiny faces come and go. Just worms on the body of long-suffering Russia. I recognize awards only for military valor and military labor. All.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 18 May 2020 19: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      I recognize awards only for military valor and military labor. All.

      You're not right. There are outstanding achievements in science, art, and sports. Labor achievements are also worthy of rewards.
      The award of officials for services to the Fatherland is especially cynical. So disgusting that nothing can be justified.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 19 May 2020 10: 43 New
        +3
        For this, they invented the Order of Honor, the Order of Friendship, "For Services to the Fatherland without Swords" and a number of peace medals. In Soviet times, even the military was given "civilian" awards for peaceful accomplishments. We had a major with the Order of the Badge of Honor, valiantly on the "virgin soil", as they said, he worked hard and deservedly received it. And this is not "For Service to the Motherland in the USSR Armed Forces." The man was respected and not teased for the civil order.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 19 May 2020 10: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42

        You're not right. There are outstanding achievements in science, art, and sports. Labor achievements are also worthy of rewards.

        I knew some of the servicemen of the USSR State Prize laureates who had a special sign, but never wore it on a tunic, although they had every right - it was just somehow unacceptable in my time to stick out labor awards on military uniforms.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The award of officials for services to the Fatherland is especially cynical.

        This is a controversial issue, but I believe that people like Lavrov deserve to be awarded precisely for their services to the Fatherland.
  12. aglet
    aglet 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Shoigu and Serdyukov are friends of Putin.

    damn, but I didn’t even know
  13. Karaul73
    Karaul73 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
    11
    Quote: Pvi1206
    there is such a statement: the punishment of the innocent and the rewarding of the uninvolved ...
    those who like to flaunt their breasts in orders, usually from the second category ...
    true heroes never boast of their rewards ...

    I had to beg my grandfather for a long time to tell why he received his orders and medals. He did not like to talk about the war. Tankman, two seriously injured.
  14. Avior
    Avior 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +4
    it seems that everything started with the "Umalatova awards"
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Награды_Умалатовой
    with 1991 years.

    It is a pity that at one time state awards for merits, primarily military ones, did not seem to be shared with all sorts of anniversary and other commemorative awards, although undoubtedly well-deserved.
    And now, all the more so, state awards should clearly and recognizably differ from those issued by various kinds of public organizations.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
      -10
      not so hard to learn and distinguish. simple task for a person with ordinary memory.
      1. Avior
        Avior 18 May 2020 16: 24 New
        +3
        Unfortunately, most are poorly versed in rewards.
        But there is no special sign of military state awards.
        and some take advantage of it, formally breaking nothing
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 May 2020 16: 31 New
          -5
          Well, just as an example, do you know how to distinguish the Red Star from the time of the Second World War and Afghanistan? in these little things and the difference.
          1. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 17: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: carstorm 11
            you know how to distinguish the Red Star from the time of the Second World War and Afghanistan

            ??? !!!!!
            what nonsense?
            why distinguish them? !!!!!!
            This is the Order of the USSR approved in 30 last awarding 91 years
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 45 New
              -8
              this is why they don’t understand ...
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 48 New
              -3
              this is what distinguishes you from those who know ...
              1. Barmaleyka
                Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 07 New
                +1
                so enlighten, if you know, so far only blah blah
            3. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 51 New
              -4
              and yet there is a difference. external. this was discussed.
            4. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Barmaleyka
              This is the Order of the USSR approved in 30 last awarding 91 years

              In December 91st, the state disappeared, and the orders of that state disappeared.
          2. Avior
            Avior 18 May 2020 17: 19 New
            +5
            Sorry, but this is completely different.
            One cannot expect that everyone will understand the awards at the falerist level.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 May 2020 17: 46 New
              -4
              it’s all about quantity.
              1. Barmaleyka
                Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 08 New
                0
                in the amount of what? !!
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 18 May 2020 22: 52 New
                  -4
                  issued awards. enamel color. they are different.
                  1. Barmaleyka
                    Barmaleyka 19 May 2020 07: 24 New
                    +1
                    about the number of awards it is generally nonsense do you consider this a visual difference? !!!
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    enamel color. they are different.


                  2. Barmaleyka
                    Barmaleyka 19 May 2020 07: 48 New
                    +6
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    enamel color. they are different.

                    do not write nonsense, unlike you, I have been to such productions more than once and am somewhat versed in this matter, and so the color is the same, in any case, there were no decrees of the relevant authorities on making changes in the appearance of the awards, but the shade may be excellent even in different parties, and if you also take into account that very often on the tunic of the awarded you can see not the original award but a copy of it then it was filed
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 May 2020 16: 52 New
          +8
          Quote: Avior
          Unfortunately, most are poorly versed in rewards.
          But there is no special sign of military state awards.

          Here everything is clear
          , and in modern hell will break his leg
          1. Avior
            Avior 18 May 2020 17: 05 New
            +2
            I think not everyone will carry it with them.
            And as a keepsake, not all military awards can be distinguished with the signs of some public organizations.
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 17: 11 New
              +2
              there are not many Soviet military orders
              1. Avior
                Avior 18 May 2020 17: 35 New
                +2
                Most of them, if they know some of them and have an approximate appearance, will not always distinguish them from signs that resemble them externally.
                But this, by the way, does not mean that people are indifferent to veterans.
                But the fact that all sorts of public badges imitate military state awards as much as possible is bad because in the eyes of people the presence of awards ceases to be a sign of a person’s merits.
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 18 May 2020 21: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  it will distinguish from signs that look like them

                  if from far away and catch a glimpse then perhaps if near it they will distinguish
              2. Old tanker
                Old tanker 19 May 2020 10: 47 New
                0
                But more than Russian. Till...
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  15. aglet
    aglet 18 May 2020 15: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: Pvi1206
    true heroes never boast of their rewards ...

    true heroes are usually not awarded
  16. Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 18 May 2020 16: 01 New
    11
    I know for sure that in our city of Voronezh, reenactors have been raising funds for the first year on May 9 and congratulate veterans on them. They buy grocery sets, necessary things and then report with the help of a photo. Those. not only externally trying to match, well done.
    Regarding the awards in the Russian Federation, I completely agree with Roman. It looks like a masquerade. And for the education of patriotism, such a situation is only harmful. However, the modern state provides such lessons and examples of "patriotism" that no awards will greatly affect the situation. Having lost their head, they don't cry for their hair.
  17. knn54
    knn54 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
    +8
    Leonid Ilyich did not dream ...
  18. Undecim
    Undecim 18 May 2020 16: 05 New
    11

    The soldier didn’t go for the reward,
    But the rewards of that price are great.
    In the name of military honor and truth,
    Front-line soldiers,
    put on the orders!
    But there were times when war veterans were asked to don awards.
  19. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 18 May 2020 16: 14 New
    24
    Quote: pereselenec
    so much colored copper on his uniform

    About it ?
  20. Usher
    Usher 18 May 2020 16: 24 New
    +1
    I don’t want to discuss the fact that distances, masks, because everything is just nonsense.
    He wrote about the medals correctly, but about the epidemic diz. Nonsense is that people are dying? The author is better not to write.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 18 May 2020 23: 01 New
      +2
      But this "hit me in the ear":
      in politics of victory

      The Author’s overton window is ajar ... Although reading (without this fly in the ointment) was interesting.
  21. Doctor
    Doctor 18 May 2020 16: 25 New
    +9
    As for the depreciation of military awards, I think everyone will agree.
    But about the reenactors, no.
    The author correctly noted that soon they will remain the only guardians of the memory of that war (and not only that). They not only cling to tsatskis and wear uniforms, but also actively discuss and recreate historical accuracy.
    But to wear even copies of real orders, the law prevents. We have to get hungry.

    On the whole, they’re doing the right thing, I won’t be surprised at our lifetime if in 20 years they will completely forget what WWII soldiers looked like and what they did.
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer 18 May 2020 17: 29 New
      -2
      The most important thing is not to embellish and invent. And then Zhukov’s memoirs were allowed to print only at the mention that Zhukov stopped by to consult with Brezhnev.
      ___ Zhukov was "offered" to insert a text of approximately the following content: when discussing the possibility of expanding the Novorossiysk bridgehead, the marshal stopped by to consult with the head of the political department of the 18th Army Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, but did not find him, because he "was just on Malaya Zemlya, where the hardest battles were going on. ___
  22. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 May 2020 16: 32 New
    10
    And against the background of what is happening in the country as a whole, the reenactors are far from the most harmful part of our society. And in my opinion - very useful. Although not the easiest to communicate often.
    We are also reconstructors, but somehow before orders and medals, we did not fall.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 18 May 2020 17: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: tihonmarine
      We are also reconstructors, but somehow before orders and medals, we did not fall.

      Well done, remember!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 May 2020 19: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: Stroporez
        Well done, remember!

        For us, the main thing is that everything corresponds to the time, form, weapon, equipment, uniform, battle reality.
        ... And whatever the "remake". We do not welcome awards.

        This is part of one of the films.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 May 2020 21: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is part of one of the films.

          Hello Looks! good
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 May 2020 08: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            Hello Looks!

            And then !!!
            This is my son, the chairman of one of the clubs.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Hello Looks!

            This is our club.
            and a member of our club
            and this is another club
        2. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 23: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is part of one of the films.

          The dirt in the films is not enough.
          This is not about nonsense.
          Look, crawl through the mud.
          You (if necessary) when should you change the form?
          After a year, if you don’t take off your hat yourself from the dead.
          1. grad2308
            grad2308 19 May 2020 07: 45 New
            +1
            "For us, the main thing is that everything corresponds to the time, form, weapons, technique, uniforms, the reality of the battle."
            "Films don't have a lot of dirt. It's not about crap. Look, climb through the dirt."
            I completely agree. One form is pure for being in humans. Another burnt-out, sometimes torn from a thorn for realistic filming. Plus, do not forget to put on make-up while living in the field, you still have to be smoked. As a rule, baths did not come very often and often did not have time for positions. Yes, and it was problematic to wash it white.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: DED_peer_DED
            The dirt in the films is not enough.
            This is not about nonsense.

            Mud is a matter of gain, the main thing is lunch on a routine.
            1. grad2308
              grad2308 19 May 2020 11: 38 New
              +1
              I do not argue. ))) In my past, as a "influence" on me and my subordinates in the conditions of hostilities (in the trenches - on the front), by order of the CP, they were removed from food allowance for a month. And this happens ..., they tried to "break" the unit - who would write a denunciation on their own.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 18 May 2020 18: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      We are also reconstructors, but somehow before orders and medals, we did not fall.

      I agree that restorers are more sensitive to the awards of that war, but among them there are those who want to try on other people's awards.

      1. Avior
        Avior 18 May 2020 19: 25 New
        0
        in the picture, the lower right he is also the upper left reenactor is very strange, he has awards out of place.
  23. nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 May 2020 16: 32 New
    +1
    I know that during the USSR, this case was not welcomed. And how did you feel about wearing illegal attributes in the Russian Empire?
  24. prior
    prior 18 May 2020 16: 48 New
    +4
    Papuans wore beads ....
  25. Grading
    Grading 18 May 2020 16: 49 New
    +9
    Quote: serpent
    Recently, an article on VO was about the fact that Americans, they say, have simplified the receipt of the Purple Heart medal. What will happen? Whose cow would moo, so what? We love to look at specks in the eyes of others ... oh, how we love ... Around is one window dressing. The whole country is like a Potemkin village.

    Grandfathers, I think, would be shocked by the grandchildren who went to the full!




  26. rocket757
    rocket757 18 May 2020 16: 52 New
    +2
    Unpleasant topic ... I do not want to discuss, just curse.
  27. Courier
    Courier 18 May 2020 16: 55 New
    +7
    The Germans, in this regard were better. Iron cross only for military merit. I have not seen such mummers in the Wehrmacht
  28. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 May 2020 16: 59 New
    12
    Definitely a plus, the article fully coincides with my opinion on this issue.
  29. GMM
    GMM 18 May 2020 17: 05 New
    19
    Specially registered under this question.
    You look at the militia of the Crimea and the self-defense of Sevastopol.
    There Brezhnev is crying ...
  30. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 18 May 2020 17: 13 New
    +3
    It’s like in a joke, the chief-head asks a subordinate-friend ..: you need money or an order? And he answers that the order, I’ll still get money for myself ...-
    A similar situation with titles from various public academies.
  31. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 May 2020 17: 14 New
    +4
    And how to relate to people in the form of Cossacks and royal crosses on their chests. Is it a reconstruction, or are they centenarians?
  32. GMM
    GMM 18 May 2020 17: 14 New
    13
    Medals are one side of the coin (pun intended).
    And the general approach to military service is generally krants ....
  33. frols
    frols 18 May 2020 17: 29 New
    -13
    Yes, on our Russophobian sites the author would be very popular; he would be dismantled for quotations. Maybe you should think about where to publish?
    1. frols
      frols 19 May 2020 20: 40 New
      +2
      Why are there so many minuses? Find ten differences, here's what we retype on our sites:
      “Russia is showing a schizophrenic reaction to the coronavirus. Back in March, prominent physicians claimed on state television that the United States wanted to use the virus as a biological weapon against China, but its effect was weak. (...) But when the number of those infected jumped, President Vladimir Putin announced "non-working days" - with full preservation of payments from employers, who, however, did not receive any support from the state.
      Putin from time to time makes unfounded speeches to the population. He puts the burden of making specific decisions on local rulers, four of whom have already resigned: the governors of the Komi Republic, Kamchatka Territory, the Nenets Autonomous Okrug and the Arkhangelsk Region - not to mention the numerous heads of departments responsible for healthcare. "
      Putin wants to avoid responsibility for making decisions during the coronavirus crisis and is showing himself as a kind, understanding ruler. It is noteworthy that he recently addressed the Russians with the words "my dears." This reminded many commentators of Stalin's surprise "Brothers and Sisters" address in July 1941, shortly after the German attack. Putin asked citizens to be patient a little longer. When it became clear that people did not expect kind words from the state, but money, he spoke about modest payments to families with children and companies that did not lay off employees during the epidemic. However, the bureaucratic hurdles are great. None of my acquaintances who have requested such assistance have been successful, "
      On May 11, we reached the next stage of schizophrenia, continues Ganieva. - Putin announced the end of "non-working days". (...) Many heads of companies call their employees to work right now, when Russia has come to the second place in the world in terms of the number of people infected with coronavirus - even if it is impossible to maintain the minimum distance at the workplace or one of the employees has recently been sick. This reminds of Russian fairy tales, where a hero stands at a crossroads: if you go to work, the state will punish you; if you don't go to work, your boss will punish you. Many people I know take sick leave or unpaid leave. "
      "Hospitals are overcrowded, many of them lack protective equipment and test systems. But we add a lie to this. With a quarter of a million people infected, only 2 deaths are known, in an international comparison this is a surprisingly low percentage. Probably, the data is manipulated. and doctors, who are prohibited from providing information, are silent, Ganieva believes.
      Well and further in the same vein, I do not post comments anyway they will be deleted.
      What the patriot of his homeland does when they pour it with mud, they guessed correctly, adds this mud, it's time.
  34. LeonidL
    LeonidL 18 May 2020 17: 39 New
    +8
    I'll try to express my opinion - Wearing a uniform from the times of the Second World War during reconstructions, concerts, films and other performances is quite normal, as are the replicas of military awards required according to the script. This is an action limited in time to a maximum of hours. I think it is also useful that people during the Immortal Regiment wear the old-style uniform and again either replicas or awards left over from veterans. For example, in foreign countries.This year, for example, in Chicago, a motor rally was held instead of the BP, there were many people in the uniform of the Red Army, with portraits in the parking lots, some donned grandfathers awards, sang songs of the war years. This is the popularization of the real history of Russia, which is so lacking in the West. Americans approached the participants of the rally, were interested, even took part a little. The video was sent to me - it went very heartily and touchingly. I think this business is useful and correct. That is, if a person puts on a uniform and awards or their replicas on Victory Day, this is one thing. If some clowns flaunt it all the time (especially newly minted Cossacks of all stripes, White Guards, etc.), this is different. now about the awards of modern Russia. Here you should approach the matter without unnecessary emotions and with the involvement of specialists in military heraldry (?). To be honest, the mass of trinkets reduces their importance, I know from myself and my family that the stock is big, but there are two real awards. Well, about Kiriyenko - the general public doesn't know a lot, but my friends from "military science" say that he is a man who has done a lot. Of course, it would be more logical to award the Hero of Labor, but I don’t remember if there was already such a status. To be honest, for me remakes even of the 80s and beyond do not seem to "sound". Grandfather was a Knight of St. George for PMA, of course. But why is this order revived now? What's wrong with "Slava"? "Krasnaya Zvezda? Well, I can still understand" The Order of Lenin "does not" sound "now, but I think (this is my personal opinion) that the haste and stupidity was to throw away the well-deserved and respected military awards at once and replace them with remakes without a glorious military history.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 May 2020 19: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: LeonidL
      Grandfather was a Knight of St. George for PMA, of course. But why is this order revived now? What's wrong with "Slava"? "The Red Star?

      For modern power, the attributes of a Socialist state are not acceptable.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 18 May 2020 23: 12 New
        -2
        Such unacceptability was characteristic of the 90s with EBN and without the Immortal Regiment. Times have changed.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 May 2020 09: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: LeonidL
          Times have changed.

          Times have changed, but the orders of the Red Banner and the Red Star have not been returned. They are a symbol of the era of Socialism.
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 19 May 2020 18: 38 New
            0
            Vlad! Not yet evening....
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 19 May 2020 20: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: LeonidL
              Vlad! Not yet evening...

              Let's hope, but definitely not evening.
  35. yasvet
    yasvet 18 May 2020 17: 43 New
    +1
    As one expert explained to me, club awards, as well as awards dedicated to events held, they are deliberately ordered very similar to real ones

    It’s illegal all this, we are liberalistic, we don’t attract ..., a mess in our heads, everything is painted, chewed, in the Regulation on state awards.
    Pay attention to clause 12.2. !!!

    Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 07.09.2010 N 1099 (as amended on 31.12.2019) "On measures to improve the state award system of the Russian Federation" (together with "Regulations on state awards of the Russian Federation", "Statutes of orders of the Russian Federation, provisions on insignia Russian Federation, medals of the Russian Federation, honorary titles of the Russian Federation, descriptions of the named state awards of the Russian Federation and badges to honorary titles of the Russian Federation "

    12. Illegal acquisition or sale, falsification, illegal wearing of state awards of the Russian Federation and state awards of the USSR, the establishment or manufacture of signs bearing a similar name or external similarity, shall entail liability in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.
    2. The establishment or manufacture of signs bearing a similar name or external resemblance to state awards, -
    shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of one thousand five hundred to two thousand rubles with confiscation of signs; for officials - from four thousand to five thousand rubles with confiscation of signs; for legal entities - from eighty-five thousand to one hundred thousand rubles with confiscation of signs.
    (in the edition of the Federal Law from 19.05.2010 N 88-FZ)
  36. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 17: 56 New
    +1
    There is one not good (separately) Russian word meaning a woman of easy virtue.
    It starts with the letter b and ends with the letter a soft sign.
    This applies to "order-bearers - battleships" and to power. A stranger, alien, not native to power.
  37. yasvet
    yasvet 18 May 2020 18: 24 New
    0
    In addition, there are laws on awards in republics, territories, regions. Here, there are varieties of forms, well, let's say, in abundance:

    award medal, which has the following types of forms: medal, medal of the order, gold medal, commemorative medal, anniversary medal, commemorative anniversary medal;

    Reference: Trofimov E.V. - State awards of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation // Legal Studies. - 2013. - No. 1. - P. 1 - 147. DOI: 10.7256 / 2305-9699.2013.1.430 URL: https://nbpublish.com/library_read_article.php?id=430

    award badge, which is not divided into forms of the following varieties: badge, insignia, highest distinction, gold badge, badge of highest appreciation, badge of recognition of special merit, badge, honorary badge, honorary badge, commemorative badge, commemorative badge, commemorative badge, commemorative badge - anniversary medal;

    Reference: Trofimov E.V. - State awards of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation // Legal Studies. - 2013. - No. 1. - P. 1 - 147. DOI: 10.7256 / 2305-9699.2013.1.430 URL: https://nbpublish.com/library_read_article.php?id=430
  38. 0x0
    0x0 18 May 2020 18: 29 New
    11
    itself, really, long ago and strongly enrages. Moreover, the situation is no longer with 'badges', but with real awards. Without showing off, just for clarity, he himself has only 'sand' (length of service), and on the wall hangs a clock solemnly awarded for 'direct participation in the destruction of illegal armed groups in a mountainous and wooded area, in the winter period'. This was when I ran through the mountains for several days, through the territory controlled by these same illegal armed groups, and in the midst of the hipesh, I also caught a couple of olives in armor. But the staff and those close to them left with iconostases. It was unpleasant as it was ...
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 18: 58 New
      +1
      But staff and associates left with iconostases.

      Alexander Shumilin. "Vanka-company"
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 19: 18 New
        +3


        Inexpressible book. I reread.
      2. 0x0
        0x0 19 May 2020 09: 31 New
        +1
        With my own eyes I read the order 'for the destruction of enemy manpower during a HAND-TO-HAND battle, encourage with a PRIZE' ...
  39. Grading
    Grading 18 May 2020 18: 32 New
    +6
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    There is one not good (separately) Russian word meaning a woman of easy virtue.
    It starts with the letter b and ends with the letter a soft sign.
    This applies to "order-bearers - battleships" and to power. A stranger, alien, not native to power.



    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 18: 54 New
      +1
      Golosisty and fellow villagers.
  40. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 May 2020 19: 12 New
    +3
    It seems I've already laid out this song here. And despite the fact that the video is modern, our order.



    but there are those who deserve three such orders. Real heroes

  41. yasvet
    yasvet 18 May 2020 19: 24 New
    +1
    If the photo is not "shopped", I really hope that famous media personalities were photographed in uniform and at the awards of their relatives, out of a sense of pride and immense gratitude to them and this generation.
    ps
    In my family, too, they did not hand over orders and WWII medals: my relatives left after the 91st ... We keep the awards as a memory, I gave them to my grandson to hold them).
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 19 May 2020 16: 33 New
      -1
      and what who gives them ?????
  42. lis-ik
    lis-ik 18 May 2020 19: 30 New
    +7
    And what exactly do we want? Our modern power, in essence, is disguised. So that in the image and likeness.
  43. businessv
    businessv 18 May 2020 19: 48 New
    0
    Familiar

    manner

    letters.
    I decided to read, the topic seemed interesting, but because of the huge number of line spacing, I didn’t master it, but the author will forgive me! hi
  44. Revival
    Revival 18 May 2020 19: 55 New
    +6
    Of everything I read, it is different, but most of all finished:
    1. Oligarchs with awards
    2. Children in schools with a whole iconostasis, a whole "regiment" ..
    This is the bottom ...
    Although just one of them ..
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 20: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Revival
      Although just one of them ..

      Movement .... running time for "movement".
      Movement as the meaning of current being.
      Not a goal. Not a solution.
      Traffic....
      Infinite.
      Going nowhere.
  45. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 18 May 2020 20: 48 New
    +4
    VERY efficient and correct article by Roman! It's funny: another cadet or cadet now has more "orders" on his chest than his grandfather for the entire Great Patriotic War. Have arrived!
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 20: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      It’s not a good idea: another cadet or cadet now has more "orders" on his chest than his grandfather for ALL the Great Patriotic War

      At the same time, the child himself, a man, is sickened by propaganda to the state of a zombie.
      He knows everything, knows how to do everything, builds everyone (as ordered).
      We have lost these generations.
      They are not ours.
  46. Blue fox
    Blue fox 18 May 2020 21: 10 New
    +2
    It is a matter of a foolish mind to dress aliens with orders.
    Indeed, for each of the pads there is a price.
    And the victory of the blood of war smells forever.
  47. Petrik66
    Petrik66 18 May 2020 21: 26 New
    -8
    Judging by the posts, mostly angry comments from 60+ people. And what exactly are you all unhappy with? In the pictures, your peers with tsatskas, in the 80s you put on medals (sand), who were older than those who were so jubilee for 550 years of the Kulikovo battle clung to a tunic, and in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation what age did you give out uncles and aunts with an umalatov at the head of the order? And who gave the order to Juna? Young people? You got what the samit deserve. Shoigu - what should he do? with a badge gto 2 degrees go? Rotenberg headed and leads Mostotrest and received the Hero for the unique Crimean bridge, in your time when something was being built and the beginning buildings of the Hero of Social Work were hung up, was that not the norm? And Kiriyenko received the Hero as the head of Rosatom, and precisely because he brought order there by overthrowing corrupt old-timers and fulfilling the order of the Motherland, we are talking about new vigorous warheads, i.e. when under the USSR, in the general machine building industry, Heroes were given - this is good, but now - no. Yes, and disguised veterans in the parades, so this is also your generation. I know the answer in advance, but I also know Krylov’s fable - it’s better not to turn your mind on yourself.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 19 May 2020 11: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Petrik66
      , in the 80s you pulled on medals (sand),

      Firstly, "for sand" is not a state award, but a departmental one. Secondly, if you knew even a little military history, then you would know that there was a time when state awards were given for length of service in the Red Army, so at a later time, on the contrary, the status of length of service awards was lowered. However, you hardly understand these subtleties, so you grind all sorts of nonsense with your tongue.
      Quote: Petrik66
      And who gave the order to Juna?

      She had homemade goods, and not state orders - you are not in the subject here either.

      Quote: Petrik66
      I know the answer in advance, but I also know Krylov’s fable - it’s better not to turn your mind on yourself.

      So you turn to yourself - it was because of people like you who greeted the current government that the fashion for different tsatskas appeared, and in Soviet times there were a limited number of state awards.
      Quote: Petrik66
      Judging by the posts, mostly angry comments from 60+ people.

      What makes you think that these people are dumber than you, or have seen less in life?
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 19 May 2020 12: 57 New
        -3
        I'm right, a hundred times right. - nothing specific. 1. When in 85 7,5 million received the Order of the Patriotic War at the same time, no one protested. Commemorative medals: 20, 30,40,50,60, 50, 60, 25 years of Victory, anniversary medals: 1958, XNUMX years of the USSR Armed Forces, badge of XNUMX years of victory ... And to this we add the three degrees of the medal "For Impeccable Service" was presented in XNUMX, it was she who was called for "sand", where does departmentalism here? or the USSR Armed Forces did not belong to the state?
        "And on his mighty chest,
        Shining in many rows
        One medal hung in a heap,
        And that - for the length of service
        So from the 60s and 70s there was a love of branzuletki.
        2. Umalatova and his comrades crushed awards from the reserves of the USSR Mint, and there are no known cases when someone angrily publicly refused the Order of Lenin or Hero of the Soviet Union awarded by this lady. Still - after all, it was interpreted as "restoration of historical justice" ....... and they wore 7 anniversary medals of the Great Patriotic War and the Armed Forces, if the Zhukov medal is counted.
        So, try not to oppose with general phrases like - Sam.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 19 May 2020 14: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Petrik66
          When in 85, 7,5 million received the Order of the Patriotic War at a time, that no one protested.

          I don’t know where you got this figure, and why the people should have protested against it - on the contrary, I think that those who were in the army and worked for the restoration of the country forty years after the war, deserved such a reward. By the way, you don’t have to blame everything on the CPSU, because in our history this has already happened:
          The medal "In memory of the war of 1853-1856" is a mass highly approved award of the Russian Empire. It was established to mark the end of the Crimean War (1853-1856) and on the occasion of the coronation of Alexander II.


          Quote: Petrik66
          Anniversary medals: 20, 30,40,50,60 years of Victory,

          I don’t remember that in 1975, 1985 and in 1995 we were awarded these jubilee medals - I’m not a participant in that war, so I don’t have to let all those who served under it.

          Quote: Petrik66
          And to this we add the three degrees of the medal "For Impeccable Service" was presented in 1958, it was she who was called for "sand", where does departmentalism here? or the USSR Armed Forces did not belong to the state?

          Despite the fact that you do not understand what a state award is, and what such departmental awards are, they have different statuses.

          Quote: Petrik66
          Umalatova and her comrades crushed awards from the reserves of the USSR Mint

          What are you talking about? She was not authorized to do this, i.e. ordinary amateur activity in troubled times.
          Quote: Petrik66
          So, try not to oppose with general phrases like

          So you dragged to something Umalatov - apparently from a great understanding of the history of awards in the USSR.
    2. val43
      val43 19 May 2020 11: 29 New
      +1
      You have chosen a good nickname - Petryk laughing
  48. sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 May 2020 22: 08 New
    +4
    I remembered for some reason ...
    "Mamai's hand clenched into a fist. Khan Altyn exclaimed loudly:
    - Lord! You see - Muscovites are all the same. Enough words, it's time to speak with swords!
    Deadlock glanced at the motley-clad Khan.
    - You, Murza, apparently did not hear Russian swords - you yelled like a rooster on a perch. Sovereign, again, you interrupt, ignoramus - he has not yet given those words. Before the women, shto, clueless? Even spur tinkle - they love it - and suddenly winked with a cheerful eye the young women sitting on the carpet around Mamaev’s daughter.
    Altyn gasped, froze with an open mouth. The silence was broken by laughter in the back rows of the retinue, intensified, turned into laughter, even Mamai chuckled - so quickly this Russian prince saw through Altyn. The haters of the Horde mischievous man averted their hearts, rude jokes flew around the retinue - now there was no need to fear the anger of Mamaev's favorite, for he would all fall on the Muscovite .. "

    Some love ... to ring.
  49. Million
    Million 18 May 2020 22: 23 New
    +7
    In today's Russia, there is a lot of falsehood that is surprising.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 18 May 2020 22: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: Million
      In today's Russia, there is a lot of falsehood that is surprising.

      Yes. Russia today is not ours. Our mother is sold.
  50. zwlad
    zwlad 18 May 2020 23: 20 New
    +2
    Bold plus per article.
    I, too, shocked by the stellarfall that hit our contemporaries.