US Navy received the 100th P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft

The United States Navy received another anti-submarine aircraft. According to the portal janes.com, on May 15, 2020, Boeing transferred the 100th P-8A Poseidon to the United States Navy.

After the transfer of the new aircraft to the command of the U.S. Navy, they said that today they are armed with the American fleet There are 94 P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft operating on duty in various regions of the world, another 6 aircraft are used as test aircraft for testing various new products. However, by the end of the year, according to the plans of the Navy, there will already be 100 Poseidons on operational duty.

The start of the assembly of the 100th P-8A Poseidon aircraft for the U.S. Navy at Boeing was announced in April 2018.

P-8A Poseidon - a new generation patrol anti-submarine aircraft, created on the basis of the Boeing 737-800 passenger airliner. The aircraft is equipped with an AN / APS-137D (V) 5 airborne radar station and the AN / APY-10 radio intelligence system. In the internal compartment of the armament there are sonar buoys designed to detect submarines at great depths, free-falling and depth bombs, as well as Mark 54 torpedoes. Sidewinder air-to-air missiles (designed to protect the aircraft themselves) can also be mounted on the outer pylons of the aircraft and anti-ship missiles Harpoon.

In February this year, plans were announced for the U.S. Navy to rearm the P-8A Poseidon. The aircraft will be armed with LRASM anti-ship missiles, JDAM smart bombs, Quickstrike bottom mines, GBU-39 guided high-precision bomb, BRU-55 bomb holder and MALD bait to protect the aircraft from anti-aircraft systems.

Comments

[Doccor18]

From AN-70 a good anti-submarine would be for our Navy.
How Russia lacks the USSR ...

[NKT]

And why do we need a Ukrainian plane, if there is an excellent version of the Tu-214 which is mastered by industry.

[FIR FIR]

Antonov was built not by Ukrainians, but by the Soviet people. And AN-70 is not a fetus born in Ukraine.
And what Ukrainians built in 30 years of independence, we all see ...

[NKT]

Remind me, please, when did he make his first flight?

[FIR FIR]

It was possible to formulate the technical requirements for the new “air truck” only in 1986. The design and construction of the aircraft was to be undertaken by the Oleg Antonov Design Bureau - perhaps the largest Soviet specialists in this type of machine. By 1991, a prototype was already under construction, and then the Soviet Union collapsed, and Antonov Design Bureau remained on the territory of independent Ukraine. But the future of the An-70, however, did not seem vague in those years. Relations between the former Soviet republics were still strong, and in 1993 they managed to sign an agreement to continue joint trials and joint launch into production. The first flight of the "seventieth" took place at the end of 1994.
Do you want to say that the AN-70 is a Ukrainian plane?

[rocket757]

The problem plane, besides the engines are outdated, eats a lot, this is a minus even for the military.
Re-equipment for military purposes, this is a song for a long time, not cheap. New to do ... a small series, no one needs it.
The most promising option is a new aircraft, in which the series is supposed to be much larger, i.e. MS 21.
Moreover, the project is fresh and to design changes for the needs of the military, that's it!

[bayard]

Quote: rocket757

Problem plane

Only because of the politics of Ukraine. Purely technically, the aircraft is magnificent and could be the best in its class. If its production began in Ulyanovsk (as planned), then it was difficult to come up with the best for the BTA - a great replacement for the An-12 and, in part, the Il-76, I felt great on unpaved strips, very little run / mileage.

Quote: rocket757

engines are outdated, eating a lot, this is a minus even for the military.

God grant such "outdated" engines to the modern Russian aircraft industry. VERY ECONOMICAL with great screws. If the Union had been preserved, such aircraft would have been produced in a very good series and would have an outstanding export potential. They are MUCH more economical than the IL-76, they can use ANY airfields, they can be used both in military transport and civil aviation and the Ministry of Emergencies.
Russia participated in the financing of this 50/50 project on a par with Ukraine, it was going to build on its capacities in cooperation, but ... the policy of the Ukrainian calabor made this impossible, therefore, the construction of the IL-76MD-90A is now launched at the facilities prepared for this in Ulyanovsk.

But for a PLO aircraft, such a platform, of course, is not rational.
MS-21 would be nice for the future, but there are two problems:
- This aircraft is not yet in serial production, and orders that already exist will be enough for 10 years of serial production. It will take a long time to wait.
- the MS-21 has an all-composite wing. This is a plus for aerodynamics, but can be a problem during operation. Any minor damage to such a wing can lead to the need for the entire wing, while such damage to the duralumin wing can be repaired within several hours / days by aircraft technicians at the aerodrome. For a military aircraft, this is very important in terms of combat readiness.
Therefore, it is more rational to use for the PLO purposes as the Tu-214 platform, which is already being used as a platform for reconnaissance aircraft (RTR, RLR and optical reconnaissance), EW aircraft, relay aircraft, and other special-purpose aircraft, there are plans to create Tu-based 214 aircraft AWACS. Having a single platform for all such aircraft is much more profitable in terms of operation.
And God forbid to see MS-21 as soon as possible in the classic passenger hypostasis.

[rocket757]

Quote: bayard

Only because of the politics of Ukraine. Purely technically, the aircraft is magnificent and could be the best in its class.

YOU ARE MISTAKEN! I made comments only on the plane TU 214AN 70 did not consider ... we don’t have it and never will, it seems.
In our case, there are more problems in the organizational and economic plan, although in the technical problems there are infinite.
We get it in small series, very expensive, respectively, with a bunch of subsequent problems .... but as with stripes we can’t do it anymore, we are not the USSR, we don’t have that clear plan!
This is no longer criticism, it is a statement of fact, as it is now!

[avg]

Why do we need a Ukrainian plane ...

Most of the costs were borne by Russia, the plane was assembled from Russian components, the buyer was also Russia (Ukraine promised to buy 2 planes), but the expensive, preferably ever-flowing OCD was to be carried out by ANTK, which, by the way. not much interested in the cost of the serial An-70. But they were interested in records and participation in the air show, for some reason, under the Ukrainian flag. [Quote] [/ quote]

[Civil]

100 aircraft are ... rich, there is nothing to be done.

[Tusv]

Quote: Civil

100 aircraft are ... rich, there is nothing to be done.

We used to be on duty at the Nimrod, Orion, and other submarines of the NATO Solyanka. And then the Americans unified everything. It seems like it has become easier. In terms of driving away from our borders

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Tusv

We used to be on duty at the Nimrod, Orion, and other submarines of the NATO Solyanka. And then the Americans unified everything. It seems like it has become easier. In terms of driving away from our borders

But the amount doesn’t scare you? Yes, and the planes do not match Nimrodam. If they knew how to do their own RTR troubles, then what can Orions do?

[poquello]

Quote: Civil

100 aircraft are ... rich, there is nothing to be done.

Interestingly, these "Mald" s300-400 are cheating?

[Tusv]

Quote: poquello

Interestingly, these "Mald" s300-400 are cheating?

How to check? Our flyers do not allow to shoot. Like, in your Kapustin Yar, train, and here we can cope without you. Not how to respect these pilots? one thing pleases. The request is answered, well, at least when they are the RF Aerospace Forces and not "control targets"

[poquello]

Quote: Tusv

How to check?

not well, purely theoretically
"when everything should work, but does not work - this is theory, when everything works, but it is not clear why - this is practice, but when it does not work and it is not clear why, it is a combination of theory with practice"

[Tusv]

In theory, NATO aviation can approach our border for 22 km without violating anything, but in practice for removal of 45 epaulettes begin to fly. It turns out that we are not only paramilitary, but also unscientific

[Dart2027]

Quote: poquello

when everything should work, but does not work - this is the theory

"Theory is when everything is known, but nothing works. Practice is when everything works, but no one knows why. We combine theory and practice: nothing works ... And no one knows why!"
(Albert Einstein)

[NKT]

The therapist knows everything, but knows nothing, the surgeon knows nothing, but knows how, the pathologist knows everything, knows everything, but it's too late.

[Semen Semyonitch]

And what can a pathologist know? What was late? To treat? So he does not know how. Stupid joke (not in your address)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Tusv

How to check? Our flyers do not allow to shoot.

you just want to arrange a war? After all, they go nominally by all the rules. In general, for all. A mosquito nose will not tarnish. And it remains to scare them with Sushki.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Civil

100 aircraft are ... rich, there is nothing to be done.

Yes, we would have such a scope .. (((

[Zaurbek]

It is necessary to involve a serial board, as it was done in the USA .... even the MC21 in the "long-range" version is optimal. And it will be possible to attract both technicians and engineers for retraining from civilian life. And the resource of the units is civil.

[NKT]

While it is still on the stream, so much time will pass. We have civilian (in storage) Tu-204/214 available, you can start with them, especially since experience is already there - Tu-214R, Tu-214SR, Tu-214PU, Tu-214ON

[Zaurbek]

Also a good option ...

[Victor67]

Pilots in civilian salaries of 300-500 thousand. You get tired of attracting ... But if you try to bend, they will dump you in China or the United Arab Emirates))) Their profession is everywhere in demand.

[Zaurbek]

Systemicity is important .... and the availability of trained pilots. Moreover, the whole world flies to MS and SJS and Tu e ....

[NordUral]

How Russia lacks the USSR ...

Look at the root, support.
And a hundred "Poseidons" inspire, unfortunately.

[iouris]

Quote: Doccor18

How Russia lacks the USSR ...

... and a little brain. Can I turn to Goodwin?

[Asad]

How many of these Poseidons will be typed into one of our submarines? Striped devils are afraid!

[The leader of the Redskins]

No, dear, it’s not from fear, but from appetites to control the maximum possible area of ​​the world's oceans!

[Vladimir_2U]

However, besides the Chinese, there are no other underwater targets, and very dangerous for the USA, among the Poseidons.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

However, besides the Chinese, there are no other underwater targets, and very dangerous for the USA, among the Poseidons.

for the purpose of PLO, they are primarily considered, and our submarines will be considered. Yes, they do not discount China, but the probable opponent No. 1 is us

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Gregory_45

but the probable opponent No. 1 is us

Yes, I meant it, I just wrote clumsily, for which I grabbed it. ((

[NordUral]

No, both from fear and from appetite. Normal process. But "our" rulers are not afraid for our submariners, apparently, judging by the state of affairs we have with this.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

> The striped devils are afraid!
with this logic, the USSR built 70 thousand tanks because it was the most cowardly nation, right?

[really]

A planned economy, next year no less than this.

[avg]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

with this logic, the USSR built 70 thousand tanks because it was the most cowardly nation, right?

Well, you asked, I’ve been scratching turnips for 30 years ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

The most cowardly nation, right?

E. Be careful when cornering. This is their nation among us, His Majesty the People. And no other way

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Well, Ek Makarek, I apologize

[5-9]

In general, then ... Yes ... They were afraid of the superiority of the NATO industrial potential that they would make 100500 thousand tanks, and therefore believed that they should have more at hand than they had ... And their potential was also overestimated at the factories at Ford do M60 or M1 does not work did not take into account

[knn54]

If we add the Orions and deck-based Vikings to this hundred, then a dozen (only American) for each submarine will be typed.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Vikings no longer fly (funny sounds)

[5-9]

The Vikings have written off already, haven't they?

[really]

Russia threatens the Poseidons, and the Americans will seek them with their Poseidons.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ASAD

How many of these Poseidons will be typed into one of our submarines? Striped devils are afraid!

Why should they be afraid? These "striped devils", unlike us, are developing their anti-submarine aviation at a pace that we never dreamed of. What do we have left? Crumbs in the form of several Tu-142 and Il-38. Let the "patriots" like you minus me here, but I, as having served 25 years in the USSR naval aviation, can say for sure that our anti-submarine aviation, numbering several squadrons, now serves purely only for "showing the flag" off the coast Alaska, in the North and Norwegian Seas, but not to "fear the enemies." How sad it is to realize this. Once upon a time, it was only at our airfield that anti-submarine aviation was based as part of the anti-submarine division and a regiment of naval reconnaissance target designators, of which nothing remained.
But what do you prove, you see everything through the pink glasses.

[Aag]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: ASAD

How many of these Poseidons will be typed into one of our submarines? Striped devils are afraid!

Why should they be afraid? These "striped devils", unlike us, are developing their anti-submarine aviation at a pace that we never dreamed of. What do we have left? Crumbs in the form of several Tu-142 and Il-38. Let the "patriots" like you minus me here, but I, as having served 25 years in the USSR naval aviation, can say for sure that our anti-submarine aviation, numbering several squadrons, now serves purely only for "showing the flag" off the coast Alaska, in the North and Norwegian Seas, but not to "fear the enemies." How sad it is to realize this. Once upon a time, it was only at our airfield that anti-submarine aviation was based as part of the anti-submarine division and a regiment of naval reconnaissance target designators, of which nothing remained.
But what do you prove, you see everything through the pink glasses.

What do you think, what is the main problem of the lagging behind: glider, engines, equipment? Financing, not to offer political will)))).

[Piramidon]

Quote: AAG

What do you think is the main problem of the failed lag: glider, engines, equipment?

This is just all there is, and then what you offer not to offer.

Financing, political will not offer)))).

[Aag]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: AAG

What do you think is the main problem of the failed lag: glider, engines, equipment?

This is just all there is, and then what you offer not to offer.

Financing, political will not offer)))).

If it’s not difficult, describe to a non-specialist how you see the modern complex — a glider, dviglo, REO, airborne armament. Well, at least in general terms. I understand that the issue should be considered in a complex (goals, objectives, your own, alleged enemy, - the composition of forces, means, - yours, the enemy) .. But you, as a person who gave part (most likely, the best) of life to this cause, what would you like to see in this niche? Your opinion is subjective, emotional, and perhaps outdated).))))

[Piramidon]

I believe that the Tu-204/214 with PS-90 engines would be quite suitable as a carrier. I can't say anything about the "stuffing", I'm not aware of modern developments. Moreover, I served not in an anti-submarine, but in a reconnaissance regiment. In my time, we even had lamp equipment on board.

[Aag]

Thank you. In principle, the answer is expected, so it seemed, from the existing ...
Sorry for the importunity, the question is again: how much does the minimum speed affect the efficiency of the aircraft of the PLO aircraft. Barrage time (here, it seems, the more, the better). I mean that turboprop aircraft are in place, something modern in the development of IL -18? It’s clear-red, that it seems like it’s not, and work is not being done in that direction. Tu-95, -Play, it seems, they don’t plan. If anything is planned, then under the strategic nuclear forces. Again, modernization, restoration of the resource ... Well, and, as they say wild noise.
Please extend the thought, as it should be. In this direction.
Or will we again threaten armageddon with the help of the Strategic Missile Forces? As a person still small in the subject, I dare to report that problems are accumulating there as elsewhere.

[NordUral]

Financing, political will not offer)))).

So this is the main thing! technical everything is solved, as always.

[Aleksandr1971]

We don't have half the Poseidons in operation. In the case of D-day, our submarines are covered .... The only way to save SSBNs from Poseidons is to transfer our SSBNs to those waters where enemy air submarine warfare cannot reach them.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aleksandr1971

We have operating submarines and half the Poseidons will not be typed

Well, two pieces are already officially on the database. And they were like written off. And then all of a sudden the "special purpose" of the Navy. I see no obstacles that four more will emerge in the near future. Khrenova, the Americans financed the destruction of our submarine fleet. If I were the Pentagon, I would hang all the curators as enemies of the American people

[poquello]

Quote: Aleksandr1971

In the case of D-Day, our submarines are covered ....

yes, yes, they cannot track them normally in peacetime, but in "D" they will definitely track them

[Alexander Mironovsky]

Call these "waters" ..

[Grits]

Quote: Alexander Mironovsky

Call these "waters" ..

It turns out only Baikal

[Aleksandr1971]

These waters are the Caspian.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Aleksandr1971

We don't have half of the Poseidons in operation. In the case of D-Day, our submarines are covered ...

If everything was so simple))))
Here, sometimes, a ship in distress in the ocean is unable to find 100500 aircraft and satellites for a week.

[NordUral]

Do they have such water?

[Aleksandr1971]

Caspian. There is a base there, although it needs modernization for submarines, there are depths sufficient for submarines. There are no enemy surface forces and submarines. There is an opportunity to protect the waters from the Poseidon duty.

[NordUral]

Why do we need that submarine?

[Revival]

)))))))) the conclusion is very logical

[Pvi1206]

a serious car ... and the quantity is impressive ...

[Alex777]

While quietly we envy ...

[Aleksandr1971]

This is your "Bye ...", Alex777, will last as long as either: 1) our state has the money to counter US PLO (and therefore never); or 2) The big mess starts much earlier than we would like. Then in our country there will be no people who could quietly envy amers.

[poquello]

Quote: Aleksandr1971

2) A big mess will begin much earlier than we would like. Then in our country there will not be those who could quietly envy the amers.

even now a big mess will remain in our favor

[Alex777]

Seriously, look at China, which has challenged the United States.
Thank God we have a competent leader and so far have not built aircraft carriers.

[Revival]

Yes, it’s not really building anything, we’re lucky

[Alex777]

I'm only talking about aircraft carriers. )))
In general, if you try to formulate complex questions with one phrase, something will always fail with many minuses.
We believe that he got excited.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

> JDAM smart bombs
maybe this is a mistake, what, they want to make a mini bobber out of it?

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

> JDAM smart bombs
maybe this is a mistake, what, they want to make a mini bobber out of it?

Common practice: found a boat, dropped bombs and a boat kayuk ...

[poquello]

Quote: Dzafdet

Common practice: found a boat, dropped bombs and a boat kayuk ...

a fig with such conclusions, about 4 years ago, the opinion was widely discussed here "I saw the plane before, launched a missile, the enemy skiff", but as it turns out, the anti-missile maneuver also works, and anti-missiles and other options, and something fans of such opinions faded

[Interlocutor]

Therefore, the S-400 will appear in the Arctic. Whatever they flew, the bombs, when they saw them, were not dropped.

[poquello]

Quote: Interlocutor

Therefore, the S-400 will appear in the Arctic. Whatever they flew, the bombs, when they saw them, were not dropped.

not dumped on bears?

[savment]

Handsome Americans. Wow. We are far from them.

[Aleksandr1971]

It is not necessary to equal the amers. There are asymmetric measures.

[APASUS]

Interestingly, why didn’t the Americans take the Boeing 737 MAX model for patrol aircraft? Or they were aware that the model in advance ... dung

[strelokmira]

Quote: poquello

even now a big mess will remain in our favor

In favor of your represented, i.e. Russian oligarchs? Are they really in case of what they expect that they will not be touched with their wealth, even in cases of emergency emigration?

[poquello]

Quote: strelokmira

Quote: poquello

even now a big mess will remain in our favor

In favor of your represented, i.e. Russian oligarchs? Are they really in case of what they expect that they will not be touched with their wealth, even in cases of emergency emigration?

what are you talking about?
I'm about it

Quote: Aleksandr1971

Then in our country there will not be those who could quietly envy the amers.

in my humble opinion, the United States will definitely not survive the nuclear war with Russia, and this is not about unacceptable damage, but the total destruction of all structures

[Freedim]

When they talk about a "smart bomb", one immediately remembers an anecdote in which the Americans could not push the bomb out of the plane's hatch during testing because it did not want to die ..

[akarfoxhound]

In the article the main and sad word for us is "100th"!
We, unfortunately, such a figure sounded last time during the union

[5-9]

Isn't the R-3 or IL-38 platform better? Type time spent in the air more? It is clear that there are no new screw platforms now.

[75 Sergey]

Reptiles are preparing ....

[Aleksandr1971]

They cook, and we suck a banana.

[NF68]

Serious thing.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: ASAD

How many of these Poseidons will be typed into one of our submarines? Striped devils are afraid!

Why should they be afraid? These "striped devils", unlike us, are developing their anti-submarine aviation at a pace that we never dreamed of. What do we have left? Crumbs in the form of several Tu-142 and Il-38. Let the "patriots" like you minus me here, but I, as having served 25 years in the USSR naval aviation, can say for sure that our anti-submarine aviation, numbering several squadrons, now serves purely only for "showing the flag" off the coast Alaska, in the North and Norwegian Seas, but not to "fear the enemies." How sad it is to realize this. Once upon a time, it was only at our airfield that anti-submarine aviation was based as part of the anti-submarine division and a regiment of naval reconnaissance target designators, of which nothing remained.
But what do you prove, you see everything through the pink glasses.

In fact, we had parity in those times. And now we have both an order of magnitude smaller number of SSBNs and the strongest anti-submarine aviation, and not only, their hunters are constantly spinning at the bases of our strategists. To all this, plus US allies in NATO, and all this against a handful of our strategists.

Smiled about Poseidon, against someone against Poseidon - so our Poseidon still needs to get to the areas where he will be good, but taking into account the scanty number of our nuclear submarines and the strength of their anti-submarine forces, this is the same number that needs to be turned and not the fact that it will succeed .

[domovoy doma_2]

Ah yes well done.

[domovoy doma_2]

Ah yes well done.