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US threatens Gazprom with sanctions for completion of Nord Stream 2

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US threatens Gazprom with sanctions for completion of Nord Stream 2

In the event that Russia completes the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, the United States will impose sanctions that were passed in December last year. This was stated by Texas Senator Ted Cruz, writes the Atlantic Council.


According to the American politician, the sanctions on the gas pipeline have already been approved and in their wording there are no exceptions or interpretations. Cruz emphasized that it doesn’t matter how the pipeline will be completed, if it is put into operation, the Russian company Gazprom and other involved individuals and legal entities will be subject to sanctions.

If Gazprom uses the Akademik Chersky vessel to complete construction, the US President is required to impose sanctions

- said Cruz.

Earlier it was reported that the Russian pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky arrived at the German port of Mukran, where the logistics center for the construction of SP-2 is located. Currently, the vessel is loading the pipes necessary to complete the construction of the gas pipeline. Also in the port of Mukran is the Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna.

According to available information, Gazprom needs to complete a little more than 130 km of the gas pipeline. In the case of using the ship "Akademik Chersky" construction can be completed before the end of this year.

Recall that in December 2019, the United States imposed sanctions against companies involved in the construction of the pipeline. They suggest a ban on entry into the United States and freezing of assets in the United States of persons involved in the "sale, lease, provision or assistance in providing" ships for laying Russian pipelines at sea at a depth of 30 meters. After that, the pipe-laying ships of the Swiss company Allseas left the Baltic Sea, fearing sanctions.
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  1. olegfbi
    olegfbi 15 May 2020 17: 15 New
    47
    Well, how did you get these "exceptional" ... am
    There is a plug in every barrel.
    But seriously, it's just so scary! It’s going to a big war. negative
    1. ioan-e
      ioan-e 15 May 2020 17: 20 New
      50
      Well, how did you get these "exceptional"

      Only the Stalin Strait!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 15 May 2020 18: 07 New
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        US threatens Gazprom with sanctions for completion of Nord Stream 2

        I just thought that the US congressmen, out of indignation at the completion of the construction of the SP-2 by Russia, would immediately stand on their ears!
        And so it happened!
      2. Alex20042004
        Alex20042004 15 May 2020 18: 29 New
        +4
        This phrase was written by Andrei Sakharov, and it appeared at the end of an explanatory note to a thermonuclear torpedo (capable of creating a grandiose tsunami off the coast of a potential enemy).

        Source: https://fishki.net/anti/2539769-proliv-im-tovariwa-stalina-pravda-i-vymysel.html?sign=375123400404199%2C886886376138830 © Fishki.net

        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 15 May 2020 21: 22 New
          -5
          That's why there will be no war unless of course someone betrays on the button. And that means they won’t sell the resources. And then the children will have nothing left Or does someone think that the resources are endless? (And a piece of paper made from a tree (maybe a Russian one) is needed more? By the way, it will still grow) Or does anyone have children in Russia? Or is someone not going to live in Russia? And it’s clear, the main thing now, and then at least a flood, yeah, Type we’ll come up with something -Wet gas (I wrote here) yeah Or force the whole country to be nuclear? Well this is real wrecking!
          1. naburkin
            naburkin 16 May 2020 14: 03 New
            -1
            Firstly: for half a century, at least, they have been lamenting that resources are about to run out, and they are opening up more and more. Secondly, will our descendants need oil and gas in 100 years? Technology is evolving.
            1. awdrgy
              awdrgy 16 May 2020 14: 51 New
              0
              As I understand it, the logic is this: maybe they won’t end. And if we’ll end we’ll come up with something. Strongly it turns out that the army is also not needed (enough for the police).
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 May 2020 18: 40 New
        +9
        Quote: ioan-e
        Only the Stalin Strait!

        And the answer will be the Bush Strait, somewhere near Kamchatka ... and the whole world is in ruin. Slogans are moronic, it’s certainly fun, but they’re smart for one sniff.
        Regarding the article ... SP-2 will be completed, despite the sanctions, howl and squeals. This is not only a commercial project, but also strategic and political.
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          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 15 May 2020 19: 03 New
            +4
            Quote: seti
            They will not answer - they have a small intestine

            Sure? Want to try? Here, play Russian roulette with a neighbor. It is interesting to know the thickness of your gut.
            Quote: seti
            And the more often we publicly dunk them in feces, the better for us.

            It's not about feces, but in an elementary war for markets and influence. SP-2 is not very sickly undermine the influence of the Anglo-Saxons, in conjunction with SevMorPut.
            1. seti
              seti 15 May 2020 19: 52 New
              11
              I'm not saying that you need to try something - war is always an extreme thing, even if 100% sure of success. There is no income from it, only blood and destruction. You need to be able to win and achieve your goal without shooting and noise. And you can not always express concern. Need and answer. It’s clear that the battle for the EU markets is going on - I completely agree that SP-2 needs to be completed. But sanctions also need to be reacted differently.
              1. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 15 May 2020 20: 19 New
                12
                Quote: seti
                war is always a last resort, even if 100% sure of success. There is no income from it, only blood and destruction.

                You tell the staff. According to the results of two world.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 15 May 2020 21: 43 New
                  10
                  Quote: Michael m
                  Quote: seti
                  war is always a last resort, even if 100% sure of success. There is no income from it, only blood and destruction.

                  You tell the staff. According to the results of two world.

                  They are warmongers, but not participants. As a rule, they cling to the winners at the final stage in order to share the victory and cut their own tuft of fur from the defeated one. If these "mattress-" Honduras "did not open the second front, then victory, even a year later, but anyway would have remained with the USSR, even without the participation of the Anglo-Saxons.
                  1. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 17 May 2020 00: 52 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    They are arsonists, but not participants

                    They are not participants, but the real winners of both wars. Not militarily, but economically, as it was they who received the most material benefits from these wars.
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 08: 44 New
                      +1
                      So in order to do this, they are waging war in order to weld in economically.
                      1. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 17 May 2020 14: 35 New
                        +1
                        So we need to learn from them and act in much the same way.
                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 14: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        So we need to learn from them and act in much the same way.
                        It may be necessary, but it does not work. It so happened historically that we cannot sit out in the bushes and draw under the Rubilov's finale. Always on the front line "hand-to-hand", and then "honestly" we share the trophies with the newly-minted allies, and even from the guilty we cannot recover all the damage, because by our generosity we forgive the assholes.
                      3. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 17 May 2020 14: 50 New
                        +3
                        I understand that our mentality is different, but we need to restructure ourselves, adapt to a changing world. Since no one in the world needs our good nature, then figs with them, with wolves to live - howl like a wolf.
                      4. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 14: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Since no one in the world needs our good nature, then figs with them, with wolves to live - howl like a wolf.

                        I agree. hi
            2. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 17 May 2020 14: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              If these "mattress-" Honduras "did not open the second front, then victory, even a year later, but anyway would have remained with the USSR

              The war would last up to August-September, then instead of Berlin, Munich and other German cities there would still be a closed radioactive zone. Do not think that German and American Jewish physicists dreamed of taking revenge on Hirohito. Their goal was Vaterland. And Stalin actually saved Germany by speeding up its surrender.
        2. Vik ganz
          Vik ganz 15 May 2020 22: 22 New
          -2
          Burn a couple of bases in the United States, so that mattresses have something to do. They will be distracted for several years.
      4. ver_
        ver_ 16 May 2020 18: 01 New
        0
        ... that horseradish knows it - Antarctica has melted almost completely - now it’s 20 degrees Celsius .., the water level in the ocean has not risen ... where there is a guarantee that the northern route will not melt .., and they tweeted that the water level should rise 11 meters in the ocean .. and the penguins have already faded from the bodies - there is nothing to feed - krill are gone ..
        1. Engineer engineer
          Engineer engineer 17 May 2020 17: 32 New
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          Penguins have too small mouths to eat krill smile
  2. Looking for
    Looking for 16 May 2020 16: 00 New
    -1
    Are you very worried about the whole "world"?
  • Civil
    Civil 16 May 2020 11: 31 New
    0
    We are not afraid of sanctions, we will endure both cold and hunger, not the first time.
    1. onix757
      onix757 17 May 2020 07: 56 New
      0
      We are not afraid of sanctions, we will endure both cold and hunger, not the first time.

      Who is not in the first place and who are these "we"?
    2. Lycan
      Lycan 19 May 2020 10: 41 New
      0
      The article, apparently, is not about "us", but about Gazprom, which certainly has key persons responsible for completing the construction, but also scouring capital for the Atlantic. These are the very "eggs" that can be very painfully pulled.
  • knn54
    knn54 15 May 2020 17: 35 New
    11
    This is an OPEN economic war not only with Gazprom, but also with the Europeans, in fact with the EU.
    And they want to do with the Russian Federation as with Iran.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2020 18: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: knn54
      This is an OPEN economic war not only with Gazprom, but also with the Europeans, in fact with the EU.
      And they want to do with the Russian Federation as with Iran.

      And what does the Europeans have to do with it ??? They do not care who they buy gas and oil from, if only cheaper!
      1. Aag
        Aag 15 May 2020 19: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        Quote: knn54
        This is an OPEN economic war not only with Gazprom, but also with the Europeans, in fact with the EU.
        And they want to do with the Russian Federation as with Iran.

        And what does the Europeans have to do with it ??? They do not care who they buy gas and oil from, if only cheaper!

        Despite the fact that they are bent, and, of the two evils, they choose the lesser. And would be glad to buy cheaper, but not give (overseas) ...
      2. poquello
        poquello 15 May 2020 19: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: nycsson
        And what does the Europeans have to do with it ??? They do not care who they buy gas and oil from, if only cheaper!

        and figure out where a cheaper red rag does not give?
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 15 May 2020 18: 59 New
      0
      The campaign, our leadership of the country, just likes these sanctions. But these here: treat with understanding, and get ready to tighten your belts tighter .. Not very happy then .. They don’t want to solve problems (which are accumulating), just eat ..
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      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 May 2020 19: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: nycsson
        Specify who fucked then?

        "Exceptional".
        Quote: nycsson
        In my opinion ..
        Here it would be necessary to clarify who is "our" in your understanding. If Ukraine, then yes, yours are also crazy and go to any dirty trick in order to preserve the transit of gas through their GTS.
        PS - but, as for ours, at the end of the SP-2 project there are interests not only of Russia, but also of Germany, which, for a moment, considers itself an ally of the United States, which in turn consider Germany their cash cow and they do not care deeply about the interests "ally", as well as the interests of all their European sixes.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 May 2020 19: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Quote: olegfbi
      Well, how did you get these "exceptional" ...
      There is a plug in every barrel.

      Not only did they get it, they were already fucked up in a snag.

      This is a war (economic) and in war, as in war, all means are used.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 May 2020 19: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Quote: olegfbi
        Well, how did you get these "exceptional" ...
        There is a plug in every barrel.

        Not only did they get it, they were already fucked up in a snag.

        This is a war (economic) and in war, as in war, all means are used.
        It would be so, but the USA, having pulled on itself the skullcap of the main global guarantor of free trade on the basis of competition, clearly did not cope with its mission and demonstrated to the whole world the flaw of one center of power and the fact that there is no free trade and competition, pushing the world to restore multipolarity . Dumb !!! (M.Zadornov).
        Time will show how the war will end, at least we didn’t start it, but we will traditionally have to finish it and, most likely, it’s traditionally victorious again. At one time, Reagan also put sticks in the wheels of building a gas pipeline from the USSR to Europe, and for the past four decades he has been pumping gas.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 16 May 2020 16: 18 New
        +1
        And "woe to the vanquished."
  • Terenin
    Terenin 15 May 2020 18: 00 New
    10
    US threatens Gazprom with sanctions for completion of Nord Stream 2
    Yeah belay . That's who you would think request

    By the way, since, according to the US Secretary of State, comprehensive sanctions aim to improve relations with Russia, then, apparently, the apotheosis of friendship winked there will be a full-scale war.
    1. Oleg kubanoid
      Oleg kubanoid 15 May 2020 18: 09 New
      0
      The states are very weak right now. on the wave of economic wars with China, they will not risk it .. for in this case the EU will simply be in the Opera .. because it really will hit the European economy precisely ..
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 15 May 2020 18: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Oleg kubanoid
        The states are very weak right now. on the wave of economic wars with China

        The United States is waging economic wars not only with China, but with the whole world. But in the light of the latest events in the world, it became clear to everyone that the "king is naked", but the truth is still strong. We will look at the development of events in the states themselves, and the trends, to put it mildly, are not very much. It seems to me that the United States will repeat the path of the USSR. With the collapse and even civil wars in certain territories.
        1. Aag
          Aag 15 May 2020 19: 38 New
          -8
          "But in the light of the latest events in the world, it became clear to everyone that the" king is naked ", but the truth is still strong. We will look at the development of events in the states themselves, and the trends, to put it mildly, are not very good. It seems to me that the United States will repeat the path USSR. With the collapse and even civil wars in certain territories. "
          Aha! Let's sit and see who is the first to overtake us in negative growth ...
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 15 May 2020 20: 00 New
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            Quote: AAG
            Let's sit and see who is the first to overtake us in negative growth.

            Let's get a look. Do you want to frighten Russia with the crisis? Fortunately, the last few years, the states have been diligently pushing Russia out of the world economy, which is going through far from the best times (with all sorts of sanctions, restrictions and other crap). The one who is most integrated into the world economy will fall the most. And during the period of economic crises, political, ethnic and other problems, which in "well-fed times", they preferred not to notice, are aggravated. so let's see. By the way, Russia has every chance of surviving another period of instability with minimal losses. At least the resource base allows it. The main thing is not to fall for the next Western "democratic troubles" and "common human enticements", which always came out sideways.
            1. Aag
              Aag 15 May 2020 21: 24 New
              -3
              "Do you want to frighten Russia with the crisis?" ...
              Me ?! Don't you find the question strange? ... And some, not that they would frighten, but spoiled in order. A positive moment was also present in this, some understanding came that not all, and it is not always possible to buy petrodollars.
              "Fortunately, over the past few years, the states have been diligently pushing Russia out of the world economy."
              Do you think it’s good? Although it’s more correct to say, from the hydrocarbon market, and a little bit of armaments. The rest is import! And here Russia ... has been put in an uncomfortable position.
              Here, the United States butting with China ...
              "Whoever is most integrated into the world economy will fall the most."
              Are you listening to Solovyov? Well, yes, a born-up one cannot crawl, is it so? Or another analogy: a fire in a summer residence, a neighbor burned down a chic cottage with garages and several cars, and you have a booth with a rake ... Have you come out with less losses? I think the neighbor is building up faster))).
              "At least the resource base allows it."
              A very small base ... We still need to figure out whose it is ... (((
              Unfortunately, I do not share your optimism hi
      2. Aag
        Aag 15 May 2020 19: 35 New
        0
        "The states are very weak right now."
        Compared to whom?
        1. Gost2012
          Gost2012 17 May 2020 13: 53 New
          0
          Quote: AAG
          "The states are very weak right now."
          Compared to whom?

          Compared to the United States 30 years ago
          1. Aag
            Aag 17 May 2020 18: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Gost2012
            Quote: AAG
            "The states are very weak right now."
            Compared to whom?

            Compared to the United States 30 years ago

            Probably agree. But, compared with us, for the same period ...
            The topic is very extensive. If briefly (IMHO), and if you take not 30, but a little more than years, then the United States opposed the USSR on all issues - economic, political, ideological, military. In conjunction!
            There was a balance. The question of the price of sacrifices. Other players appeared on the wave of this confrontation. We (I must admit, were blown away. Well, or, they surrendered us). And the states were left alone with all this gluttonous, sometimes aggressive world, as opposed to ourselves .. And don't seem to always be raked out.
            But! With all the difficulties, the United States will change hands in the air on the world stage, cheat, bribe, scare ... BUT! They will not offend their citizens. For this is fraught. (Unlike us).
            If I am mistaken, please correct.
    2. poquello
      poquello 15 May 2020 19: 42 New
      +2
      The US is looking for an excuse to get rid of debt, the war, as they think it is also an option
  • venik
    venik 15 May 2020 18: 11 New
    11
    Quote: olegfbi
    But seriously, it's just so scary! It’s going to a big war.

    =========
    If we talk about the Great ECONOMIC war - so it has been going on for a long time and now - if not in full swing, then somewhere close to that! And unfortunately, no prospects for its attenuation are somehow visible!
    What can you do: we live in an era of serious redivision of the world!
    ----
    Quote: olegfbi
    Well, how did you get these "exceptional" ... am
    There is a plug in every barrel.

    =========
    Absolutely spoiledjackals! angry drinks
  • iouris
    iouris 15 May 2020 18: 21 New
    0
    Quote: olegfbi
    It’s going to a big war.

    Who with whom? Redeem. We will eat less.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 16 May 2020 16: 24 New
      0
      at 38 they also tried to pay off. I hope you know. how did it end?
  • avg
    avg 15 May 2020 19: 11 New
    +1
    Well, how did you get these "exceptional" ...

    And not only us. It's time to collect those unhappy with this state of affairs. And there will be many of them, and each new ally will add courage to the rest
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 May 2020 20: 34 New
    -4
    Quote: olegfbi
    There is a plug in every barrel.
    But seriously, it's just so scary! It’s going to a big war.

    No, it's just that Millerhof won't be allowed to complete. It means "hands up the hill".
  • businessv
    businessv 15 May 2020 23: 32 New
    0
    Quote: olegfbi
    But seriously, it's just so scary! It’s going to a big war.
    Yes, stop pumping, colleague! They sometimes dives, inadequate, but not suicides! smile
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  • onix757
    onix757 17 May 2020 08: 00 New
    -1
    Well, how did you get these "exceptional"

    They have a right. The world's only superpower. RF this status is too tough, and therefore allow according to the "table of ranks"
  • Askiz
    Askiz 15 May 2020 17: 15 New
    +3
    Well what more to say) cyborgs
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 May 2020 17: 15 New
    +7
    Well ... Well, the reason was found quickly. Long live the sanctions from which we are only better !!!
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 15 May 2020 17: 22 New
      +4
      And how many such applicants already existed ... One tried to isolate everything ... Insulating tape was not enough ... stop Let the caravan bark then it doesn’t stand still ... hi
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 15 May 2020 17: 34 New
        -3
        Quote: VadimLives
        Let the caravan bark then it doesn’t stand still ...

        Can you clearly state in which direction our caravan is moving?
        1. Vadim Zhivov
          Vadim Zhivov 15 May 2020 17: 38 New
          +8
          Let's just say ... to the end ... It's not for nothing that "Akademik" has waved around the world ... hi
          1. Alf
            Alf 15 May 2020 17: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: VadimLives
            It is not in vain that the "Akademik" traveled around the world ...

            He walked in a very strange course, chatting like in a 15-point storm .. (with 12 existing).
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 15 May 2020 17: 39 New
          -11
          Your caravan moves toward the goal - alcohol intoxication.
          1. Vadim Zhivov
            Vadim Zhivov 15 May 2020 17: 44 New
            12
            Sorry Dear, I don’t drink and that the most important thing is not pulling ... hi
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 15 May 2020 18: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: VadimLives
              Sorry Dear, I don’t drink and that the most important thing is not pulling ... hi

              Pretty boy! I respect hi The same "nonsense" ....
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 15 May 2020 22: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: VadimLives
              I don’t drink, and what’s most important is not pulling ...

              laughing That was Alexey’s message to your opponent, but apparently not at the right address. yes hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 May 2020 20: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Long live the sanctions from which we are only better !!!

      Excuse me, I will modestly ask "You personally, or Gazprom ???"
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 15 May 2020 21: 11 New
        0
        Since the authorities said so, it means EVERYTHING!
        I’ll add about myself - I don’t really. But maybe I am an exception to the rule?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 May 2020 21: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I’ll add about myself - I don’t really. But maybe I am an exception to the rule?

          There is no exception, even I think so.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 May 2020 17: 16 New
    15
    Does Gazprom have a lot of property in the US? If the sanctions on the managers of "Gazprom", then they, in general, do not mind something ... they themselves delayed this case. They would have bypassed the Danes, and they would not have been steaming now ... our "economical" ...
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 15 May 2020 17: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Does Gazprom have a lot of property in the US? If the sanctions on the managers of "Gazprom", then they, in general, do not mind something ... they themselves delayed this case. They would have bypassed the Danes, and they would not have been steaming now ... our "economical" ...

      There will soon be nothing to regret at all.
      1) Source finance.rambler.ru:
      In the first quarter of 2020, Gazprom for the first time in history began operating at a loss, if you count according to Russian Accounting Standards (RBSU). The loss amounted to 306 billion rubles, calculated by Interfax ...
      The problem for Gazprom was the abnormally warm winter and the overcrowding of European storages into which the company was actively pumping gas to improve statistics for 2019. An increase in the supply of liquefied natural gas (LNG) played a role.

      2) Source maxpark.com: At the end of 2019, a company with a monopoly on the export of pipeline gas became unprofitable in cash flows. Gazprom spent 190 billion rubles more on capital construction than it received from operating activities.
      The year 2020, instead of relief, brought a sharp deterioration in the situation. In April, spot prices on European gas hubs dropped to $ 60 per thousand cubic meters and were lower than Russian ($ 63 in the Leningrad region, $ 67 in the Southern Federal District). At the end of the year, Gazprom is likely to receive negative cash flow again due to record low gas prices, Fitch predicts.
      “Cash gap” in the budget will have to be covered by debt. Company may need to take 10 billion, estimates an analyst with the agency Dmitry Marinchenko.

      3) Source Gazeta.ru:
      The Federal Network Agency of Germany refused Nord Stream 2 AG to withdraw the Nord Stream 2 project from the rules of the EU Gas Directive. This was reported in a decision of the regulator published on Friday May 15 ...
      The updated EU Gas Directive, in particular, implies that after the construction of the pipe is completed, Gazprom will be able to use only 50% of its capacity. Alternative gas suppliers may qualify for the rest, independent of the main supplier, that is, from Gazprom.

      Well, add here the bonded for Gazprom, a five-year agreement on transit through Ukraine.
      I already wrote earlier that Gazprom in the future expects bankruptcy and separation into an upstream and a transport company. In the light of all these events and news, such a forecast is starting to look more and more real.
      And here the issue of completing the SP-2, and the question of the profitability of this project for Gazprom, is becoming more relevant. Unprofitable Turkish stream, too, after all, is still here. But hoping for a speedy return of volumes and high gas prices is hardly worth it. The impact on the LNG market will not disappear. Gazprom made a big mistake with planning and forecasting. However, maybe this is not an accident:
      Commercially Turkish Stream is a monstrously unprofitable project. In 2018, Sberbank CIB analyst Alex Faek (dismissed, in particular, for these estimates) calculated that the project cost $ 20 billion, it will not pay off in the next 50 years and will bring Gazprom $ 13 billion loss.

      PS The main thing is that whoever needs to work on this construction has already earned, and not very bad. hi
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 May 2020 18: 15 New
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        Quote: Leshy1975
        Commercially Turkish Stream is monstrous

        The flow to the Chinese was forgotten, the same story. If the USSR was bred for "Star Wars", now it is on "Long and Inexpensive Pipes" in combination with the insanely expensive Olympics and the football championship.
        Money invested - no return
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 15 May 2020 18: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Commercially Turkish Stream is monstrous

          The flow to the Chinese was forgotten, the same story. If the USSR was bred for "Star Wars", now it is on "Long and Inexpensive Pipes" in combination with the insanely expensive Olympics and the football championship.
          Money invested - no return

          Agree hi. Forgot about the Power of Siberia.
          And also plans for the Power of Siberia -2 (source kommersant.ru):
          Gazprom’s new export pipeline for supplying gas to China, the Power of Siberia-2, is likely to become a transit pipeline and will pass through Mongolia. On March 27, Vladimir Putin allowed the head of Gazprom Alexei Miller to transfer this option of laying the route to the pre-investment stage.
          Something "national heritage" has completely suffered.
          1. Aag
            Aag 15 May 2020 19: 48 New
            -1
            In! Adequate comments have appeared! And then I already began to fear that I had missed something from the news ...
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 15 May 2020 18: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Commercially Turkish Stream is monstrous

          The flow to the Chinese was forgotten, the same story. If the USSR was bred for "Star Wars", now it is on "Long and Inexpensive Pipes" in combination with the insanely expensive Olympics and the football championship.
          Money invested - no return

          That's it.... hi
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 May 2020 19: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Money invested - no return

          My dear man, are there any projects that have given such a return that the money invested in them is not a pity? Take Rusnano with Chubais. What could this piece of imperialism create unprecedented and unheard of? One Yeltsin Center makes a profit ... wassat
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 May 2020 18: 28 New
        +6
        do you draw such conclusions on an unsuccessful year alone?) Yes, you are a great economist, as I can see) with their income last year 1.2 trillion rubles, your conclusions are a gorgeous analysis))) and if next year you will have an abnormally cold winter, what are you going to sing? and if you’re nodding at the reports then write what))) Gazprom’s revenue last year was more than 7 trillion, including less than 4 from gas sales. And then when the world’s difficulties and everything falls, you come and start to cry about what you don’t understand at all. even eminent analysts and agencies cannot make forecasts in such a global situation. you need to change work) get rich e mine))) you can what no one in the world can))) enslaving agreement with Ukraine? Seriously? on fingers, in the year 14 pumped through Ukraine 80 yards of cubes. on average, it was about the same before. and here the bonded contract as much as 40 yards cubic meters))) at the same price I note. there everything is just shocked apparently. all the time they rocked 80+ and here the bondage at 40) seriously?))))
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 May 2020 19: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and if next year an abnormally cold winter will be

          And if he was carrying cartridges ....
          The price of gas is tied to the price of oil and there is nothing good in the near future
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 May 2020 19: 13 New
            -2
            what the speech is about. no one can make predictions now. For the time being, Gazprom is in fact profitable at the moment the killed gas prices. taking into account pipelines and opportunities, he can squeeze out a bunch of markets in Europe. he was recently accused of this that they want to bring down prices and take the markets for themselves) and then everything happened by itself. It is noteworthy that Russia was caught using the same strategy before the coronavirus epidemic. At the end of last year, S&P Global Platts, citing interviewed traders, asserted that our country is going to "kill" gas prices in Europe in order to push competitors and seize their sales markets. Isn't that why, even against the background of positive shifts in negotiations with Ukraine, Gazprom continued to fill storage facilities in Europe?) And now everything is somehow confused. Until next year, in any case, you will have to wait to somehow understand what's next.
        2. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 15 May 2020 19: 05 New
          -3
          Quote: carstorm 11
          do you draw such conclusions on an unsuccessful year alone?) Yes, you are a great economist, as I can see) with their income last year 1.2 trillion rubles, your conclusions are a gorgeous analysis))) and if next year you will have an abnormally cold winter, what are you going to sing? and if you’re nodding at the reports, then write what kind))) Gazprom’s revenue last year was more than 7 trillion, including less than 4. gas sales you don’t understand at all. even eminent analysts and agencies cannot make forecasts in such a global situation. you need to change work) get rich e mine))) you can what no one in the world can)))

          No, I draw my conclusions on the basis that Gazprom recently became the "happy" owner of several unprofitable projects at once. Which will now drown him in the future.
          Or can you refute at least one of the figures or facts I have quoted? Or do you think your blah blah is enough?
          If back in 2018 (the average export price of gas in 2017 was $ 197 per thousand cubic meters), the payback period for the Turkish stream was estimated by an employee of the Security Council at 50 years, then how much is the payback period now, when prices are much lower?
          And tell me please, what was the payback period of the Power of Siberia planned? And the prices at which such a period was planned.
          Or maybe you can cancel LNG supplies? The influence of which on the market was so confidently denied by Gazprom to the last.
          Or maybe you are able to bring the SP-2 out of the action of the third energy package? After all, the SP-2 was not designed for 50% load.
          Or maybe you can return gas prices to 197 (and now they are several times lower).

          Where to me, to the economists of Gazprom and you personally. Borrow in order to pay Ukraine, regardless of whether you download or not. This is of course a strong economic (and political, too) move.
          And by the way, do not forget to add to the treasury of Gazprom's "successes" the lost cases against Ukraine and Poland, when it consistently loses under the terms of the contract - take it or pay.
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 May 2020 19: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Or can you refute at least one of the figures or facts I have quoted? Or do you think your blah blah is enough?

            Yes, in general, and blah blah is enough, there is a pipe, then money will go through it and the more pipes - the calmer everything for any show off
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 May 2020 20: 29 New
            -1
            Excuse me, are you adequate at all? this is a WORLD CRISIS. all companies in the world suffer losses in this market. without exception. you are for some reason trying to tell me here that only Gazprom is suffering. how a large company with huge assets will leave this business and a huge job. but the crisis will end. and the markets will remain. project payback is what the company lays in. this question. The Turkish stream is not primarily money but markets. opportunities in perspective. like the power of Siberia. all the more so since the financial side of this project is closed and neither you nor I can know any prices or opportunities. Well, the Chinese do not want to open information on it. and we are building a bunch of infrastructure and a huge number of jobs. there is gasification along its way settlements. read about Novatek. about its LNG supply. In 2019, Novatek's oil production grew by 7,5% compared to the previous year - up to 590,1 million barrels of oil equivalent (boe). The company launched the second and third stages at the Yamal LNG plant in July and November 2018, and in 2019 both stages reached full capacity. The commissioning of new fields also helped: the Yaro-Yakhinskoye field - at the end of 2018, the East-Urengoyskoye and Severo-Esetinskoye gas fields - in October 2019. how they doubled their exports. take it easy. read the normal financial sources and not the newspaper ru.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 15 May 2020 21: 24 New
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Excuse me, are you adequate at all? this is a WORLD CRISIS. all companies in the world suffer losses in this market. without exception. you are for some reason trying to tell me here that only Gazprom is suffering. how a large company with huge assets will leave this business and a huge job. but the crisis will end. and the markets will remain. project payback is what the company lays in. this question. The Turkish stream is not primarily money but markets. opportunities in perspective. like the power of Siberia. all the more so since the financial side of this project is closed and neither you nor I can know any prices or opportunities. Well, the Chinese do not want to open information on it. and we are building a bunch of infrastructure and a huge number of jobs. there is gasification along its way settlements. read about Novatek. about its LNG supply. In 2019, Novatek's oil production grew by 7,5% compared to the previous year - up to 590,1 million barrels of oil equivalent (boe). The company launched the second and third stages at the Yamal LNG plant in July and November 2018, and in 2019 both stages reached full capacity. The commissioning of new fields also helped: the Yaro-Yakhinskoye field - at the end of 2018, the East-Urengoyskoye and Severo-Esetinskoye gas fields - in October 2019. how they doubled their exports. take it easy. read the normal financial sources and not the newspaper ru.

              Oh, the favorite argument of my opponents about my adequacy was used.
              Well, what does it have to do, you are my adequate,
              WORLD CRISIS
              ? If the money in the Turkish stream, SP-2 and the Power of Siberia began to bury before the crisis.
              Or are you so too adequate that you forgot how exactly the same Turkish stream was built? Recall the fate of four branches, two of which were then dismantled. And why? But because they rushed to build, Without waiting obtaining permission (source Kommersant.ru from 20.05.2015):
              Gazprom launches for the first time a major export project, without signing binding agreements on it: Monopoly announced the start of construction of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline. As a result, Gazprom risks being left with an unfinished pipe in the middle of the Black Sea, but the company believes that the delay is purely political and an agreement with Turkey will be signed after the elections in this country in early June. In Ankara, however, discounts are also expected for the state Botas. An early start for Gazprom gives Turkey a negotiating edge, but it has nothing to lose: the monopoly is already paying the contractor for the downtime ...
              Bye Moscow and Ankara have not signed a single binding document on the Turkish Stream.

              What are you sculpting about adequacy here? Those. such projects should begin like this, without formalizing the relevant documents ?! This is normal?! So things are done when it comes to tens of billions of dollars.?! Well, then get the result and sign.
              If you yourself were not interested in information, this does not mean that others were not interested.

              Now the Power of Siberia (source RBC): at current gas prices (less $ 200 laughing for 1 thousand cubic meters l) the Power of Siberia project and the launch of deposits not pay off even for the entire contract with CNPC - for 30 yearswarns Polishchuk.


              Krutikhin, here is a very informative talk about Gazprom's "adequacy".
              1. poquello
                poquello 15 May 2020 21: 40 New
                +4
                Quote: Leshy1975
                the launch of deposits will not pay off even for the entire contract with CNPC - for 30 years, Polishchuk warns

                a simple question - why would Polishchuk believe it?
                1. Leshy1975
                  Leshy1975 15 May 2020 21: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  the launch of deposits will not pay off even for the entire contract with CNPC - for 30 years, Polishchuk warns

                  a simple question - why would Polishchuk believe it?

                  Simple answer. Because Gazprom cannot be trusted. Too often, their statements turned out to be ordinary lies and fantasies. So you have to refer to the opinion of sources that seem more reliable, especially since Polishchuk is not alone in his conclusions (RBC source, May 21, 2018):
                  The main conclusion that Sberbank CIB analysts Alex Fack and Anna Kotelnikova make in the May report on Russian oil and gas companies is the main beneficiaries of Gazprom's projects for the construction of three export gas pipelines to China (“Power of Siberia”) and Europe (“Nord Stream-2” and “Turkish Stream”) are not its shareholders, but contractorsamong which are Stroygazmontazh Arkady Rotenberg and Stroytransneftegaz (about 50% belong to Gennady Timchenko and his family).
                  According to investment bank experts, investments in these projects are unprofitable. “We find that Gazprom’s decisions are completely understandable, assuming that the company is managed in the interests of its contractors, and not for commercial gain”, The report says.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 15 May 2020 22: 24 New
                    +3
                    so there are also Russian contractors? and you will talk about the disadvantage of the project?
                    1. Leshy1975
                      Leshy1975 15 May 2020 22: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: poquello
                      so there are also Russian contractors? and you will talk about the disadvantage of the project?

                      Well, it depends on whom. It is clearly stated there, named by name, for whom it is beneficial, and for whom not. Everything is in accordance with a modern, very successful business scheme: privatization of profits and nationalization of losses.
                      What is not clear here request.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 15 May 2020 22: 36 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Well, it depends on whom. It clearly states there, named by name, for whom it is beneficial, and for whom not

                        Are you a shareholder of Gazprom?
                      2. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 15 May 2020 22: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Well, it depends on whom. It clearly states there, named by name, for whom it is beneficial, and for whom not

                        Are you a shareholder of Gazprom?

                        No
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 15 May 2020 22: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Well, it depends on whom. It clearly states there, named by name, for whom it is beneficial, and for whom not

                        Are you a shareholder of Gazprom?

                        No

                        Well, but for the mass of violet who benefits from something there, one shish get what they serve, what is the cry for?
                      4. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 15 May 2020 22: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Well, it depends on whom. It clearly states there, named by name, for whom it is beneficial, and for whom not

                        Are you a shareholder of Gazprom?

                        No

                        Well, but for the mass of violet who benefits from something there, one shish get what they serve, what is the cry for?

                        Not really violet. Gazprom will get at the expense of prices on the domestic market of the Russian Federation. The population cannot choose suppliers.
                        Well, they’ll probably ask for help or benefits from the budget.
                      5. poquello
                        poquello 15 May 2020 23: 07 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Not really violet. Gazprom will get at the expense of prices on the domestic market of the Russian Federation

                        ) nuuu, from the domestic market such a crowd wants to eat tasty that these pick-ups are minuscule in comparison
                      6. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 15 May 2020 23: 16 New
                        +2
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Not really violet. Gazprom will get at the expense of prices on the domestic market of the Russian Federation

                        ) nuuu, from the domestic market such a crowd wants to eat tasty that these pick-ups are minuscule in comparison

                        Well, how much they can squeeze. We pay with a poor population for gas, at prices higher than in many countries with higher incomes. The budget again and the benefits will help for a while.
                      7. poquello
                        poquello 15 May 2020 23: 21 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Leshy1975
                        Well, how much they can squeeze.

                        ) but this is just the main thing, and)))))))) does not depend much on Gazprom’s profit
          3. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 15 May 2020 22: 53 New
            -2
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Leshy1975

            Greetings, Colleague! hi
            Your opinion on what is happening is interesting. The figures were given to people, arguments proved in fact.
            Why are there those who continue to believe in current managers? I read comments and can’t understand what more evidence they need?
            Is the litter-tv propaganda still valid? what
          4. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 15 May 2020 23: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Leshy1975

            Greetings, Colleague! hi
            Your opinion on what is happening is interesting. The figures were given to people, arguments proved in fact.
            Why are there those who continue to believe in current managers? I read comments and can’t understand what more evidence they need?
            Is the litter-tv propaganda still valid? what

            Rather, it is not a matter of propaganda. Here the section goes FOR or AGAINST the current government. We are looking for where her mistakes and failures are. And supporters are looking for confirmation of her success in order to justify their commitment. I met a figure that any government in society usually has at least about 30% of supporters. Moreover, 30% doesn’t care what kind of power, according to the principle - the authorities are more visible. Although Soviet, even capitalist, it is possible that the occupation will do, some kind of power, but still power.
            I personally met such. A wonderful person, gentle, hardworking, works only individually, he says you need to cancel the elections altogether. I ask: why is this? He answers: but we still don’t understand anything, we don’t know, we know better at the top. Curtain, put out the light. hi
          5. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 15 May 2020 23: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Leshy1975
            He answers: but we still don’t understand anything, we don’t know, we know better at the top.

            It already looks like self-destruction ... Why does the self-preservation instinct not work?
          6. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 16 May 2020 00: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Leshy1975
            He answers: but we still don’t understand anything, we don’t know, we know better at the top.

            It already looks like self-destruction ... Why does the self-preservation instinct not work?

            Features of the psychotype. There is not even a hint of leadership qualities. It is also more convenient when you remove all responsibility from yourself, and everything is decided for you. Psychological experiments are known when completely sane people even agreed to kill, just because they were ordered to do so.
            In general, the majority of any society is inert, but these 30%, apparently the very essence of inertia.
        3. Roman_vh
          Roman_vh 16 May 2020 11: 20 New
          0
          Is he wrong? What we have, what we don’t have, all the choices, big, bullshit and profanity. An exception may be elections within small communities. And I’m not completely sure.
        4. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 16 May 2020 12: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: Roman_VH
          Is he wrong? What we have, what we don’t have, all the choices, big, bullshit and profanity. An exception may be elections within small communities. And I’m not completely sure.

          But this is not the same thing. Lack of fair, competitive elections and generally rejection of elections. Yes, and the situation with the elections in the world, even so, varies by country.
          The absence of fair elections in modern conditions means that they must be fought for.
          And the refusal of the very opportunity to choose means that we are ready to voluntarily return to the previous historical stage, when the elections did not exist and nothing depended on us. Then the question is how far we are ready to turn the historical process. The monarchy, the feudal system, or immediately slave?
          Something I doubt that there are many who want to become slaves or serfs, for which everyone decides.
          Therefore, the proposal to refuse the election is also a utopia in modern society. Unless of course we want to voluntarily become slaves and slaves. hi
        5. Roman_vh
          Roman_vh 16 May 2020 12: 23 New
          0
          It differs, but not so much as to consider them a management tool on the part of society. And leave the words slaves and slaves for high school students.
          In a philosophical sense, man is always a slave.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 16 May 2020 12: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Well, the Chinese do not want to open information on it.

    They do not want it to be closed for "prevention"
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 May 2020 19: 45 New
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    yes you are a great economist as I look

    And you are a great analyst, as I see it? Turn here before our eyes abbreviations, pumping, bonded agreements ... Then please us with information when (taking into account the construction costs) Russia will profit from those thousands of kilometers of laid pipes?
    Yes, for that kind of money, the entire CCM could be filled with water at the very edge. There really would have been both profit and comfortable living conditions ...
    So no, you tell us about European well-being as usual. You, too, like Solovyov’s house in a European village? belay
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 15 May 2020 20: 31 New
      -1
      no. I am not a great analyst. I am a good manager. who can read and analyze financial documents. knows what a strategy is. and what is work for the long term. what kind of prosperity am I talking about? It’s for you to go to the ophthalmologist) I’m talking on the topic and not discussing the housing of an ordinary TV host. it somehow excites me a little. I don’t look into someone else’s pockets and I don’t let them into mine.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 15 May 2020 21: 29 New
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I am a good manager. who can read and analyze financial documents. knows what a strategy is. and what is work for the long term.

        Brave claim what Well, let's try to predict the situation at least a year in advance, and we will see how your predictions come true. I once got acquainted with the 2020 strategy and now it has come 2020! So what? If you own computer gaming strategies or speculation on exchanges, then this is one thing, and if the strategic development of the country, then these are two big differences.
        At the moment, it is clear that the whole strategy is total incompetence in all areas of the country's life and failures in all directions.
        1. poquello
          poquello 15 May 2020 22: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Well, let's try to predict the situation at least a year in advance, and we'll see,

          ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) sheets of thirty)))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))
  • Aag
    Aag 15 May 2020 20: 01 New
    -3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    do you draw such conclusions on an unsuccessful year alone?) Yes, you are a great economist, as I can see) with their income last year 1.2 trillion rubles, your conclusions are a gorgeous analysis))) and if next year you will have an abnormally cold winter, what are you going to sing? and if you’re nodding at the reports then write what))) Gazprom’s revenue last year was more than 7 trillion, including less than 4 from gas sales. And then when the world’s difficulties and everything falls, you come and start to cry about what you don’t understand at all. even eminent analysts and agencies cannot make forecasts in such a global situation. you need to change work) get rich e mine))) you can what no one in the world can))) enslaving agreement with Ukraine? Seriously? on fingers, in the year 14 pumped through Ukraine 80 yards of cubes. on average, it was about the same before. and here the bonded contract as much as 40 yards cubic meters))) at the same price I note. there everything is just shocked apparently. all the time they rocked 80+ and here the bondage at 40) seriously?))))

    Experience suggests that Gazprom is not a national treasure, as it was argued. Therefore, if "next winter is cold", then we should expect replenishment, changes in the Forbes list at the expense of Russians; the appearance of new yachts at a cost of several RTOs. if it's warm again, tighten the belts (who have remained) tighter the rest of the citizens!
    Nothing personal, just observations of recent years ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 15 May 2020 20: 48 New
      -2
      for God's sake. it is deep purple to me.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 May 2020 20: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Does Gazprom have a lot of property in the USA?

    I'm not particularly versed in the intricacies of property, but I would like to find out "And what is this not in America, but in Russia Millergoff ? And why would anyone want this American when there are other left-wing and rich countries that are silent, and do not "lay down their" homies "?
  • iouris
    iouris 15 May 2020 22: 07 New
    +1
    Well, what have some "Danes" and various other Swedes to do with it, even Poles? It seems that as long as Gazprom and the Russian Federation exist, the pipes will simply lie at the bottom. It was clear, however, that the United States would not allow Gazprom to pay taxes to the Russian Federation, and such a competitor as the FRG would continue to grow stronger. The gas pipeline will start to bring profit to Gazprom in one of two cases: 1) the United States will disappear, 2) Germany will become part of the Russian Federation.
    A logical question arises: why was it built so that the Russian Federation and Germany reunited?
    In the near future there will be nationalization ... (of course, losses).
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 May 2020 17: 16 New
    +5
    It already looks like a clowning
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 May 2020 17: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Max1995
      It already looks like a clowning

      Do not clowns interfere with these show men!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 May 2020 18: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: sabakina
        Do not clowns interfere with these show men!

        And I watched Nikulin alive with this number
        1. Aag
          Aag 15 May 2020 20: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: sabakina
          Do not clowns interfere with these show men!

          And I watched Nikulin alive with this number

          And I have repeatedly! hi
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 15 May 2020 17: 19 New
    -1
    So, Russia is doing everything right! ... The striped hornet's nest has stirred ... Senators sounded dissatisfied, curators of Svidomo and Poles fluttered fussily. Now Svidoukry grunt indignantly .... From the trough clean nezalezhnu! But they do not want to feed overseas pans!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 May 2020 18: 17 New
      0
      Quote: 30 vis
      So Russia is doing everything right! ...

      What exactly is right?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 15 May 2020 18: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: Silvestr
        What exactly is right?

        And I really like the assessment of contract gas at spot prices on the exchange ... this is how it is today, and tomorrow it is like that. Did everyone really believe that gas is forever cheap? That Power of Siberia will never pay off? That the EU gas directive is permanent and cannot be canceled? Or send gas through a pipe from some Lukoil, which will start sending "Turkmen gas" through the pipe? Well, not all of them are fools ... And the senators would not spawn about the completion of the SP-2, if it is still unprofitable ... laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 15 May 2020 18: 51 New
          -2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And the senators would not have spawned, regarding the completion of the SP-2, if it is still unprofitable ...

          in this case, it will pay off much later than everyone would like. This is undeniable. And the reason is not only in price, but also in today's decision of the Germans.
          At the same time, the EU is diversifying gas supplies and this is also a fact.
          By the way, Turkey and China are conducting the same diversification.
          And the money invested must be increased as quickly as possible, which does not work out. Do you think that the EU is not going anywhere from Gazprom? Is it creeping? - I don’t think so. The question is no longer economic, but political. However, like our gas pipelines
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 15 May 2020 18: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Silvestr
            And the money invested must be increased as quickly as possible, which does not work out. Do you think that the EU is not going anywhere from Gazprom? Is it creeping?

            Now a third of gas in Europe is Gazprom's. Do you think this amount is easy to recover? Just like that, I snapped my fingers ... All these diversifications are more like trading in the market, in an attempt to bring down the price. Yes, and there is another dimension. Yamal LNG. For any LNG from Yamal it will be cheaper than American. Just because ... Well, they don’t want a cheap pipe, they will be more expensive in gas carriers from Yamal. laughing
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 15 May 2020 19: 12 New
              -3
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Do you think this amount is easy to recover?

              According to the results of the 18th year, 15 countries-importers of liquefied natural gas in Europe accounted for 48,9 million tons of LNG, which amounted to 15,6% of all global supplies. In the first quarter of 2019, demand in the EU grew 2,2 times , up to 17,5 million tons.
              Currently, 9 out of 23 countries to which Gazprom supplies pipeline gas have their own LNG receiving terminals. Their total capacity is 154 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
              In the coming years, the EU is going to almost double the number of large-capacity regasification terminals. If by September 2019 there were 28 of them with a capacity of 227 billion cubic meters of gas per year, then plans for the coming years are to build another 22 points for receiving liquefied natural gas, including in Albania and Ukraine (Odessa FSRU LNG).
              Do you think that they are throwing money away?
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 15 May 2020 19: 15 New
                +4
                Quote: Silvestr
                Do you think that they are throwing money away?

                I wrote about Yamal LNG. Exclude him? Terminals are building - well done !!! No wonder we invested in LNG!
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 15 May 2020 19: 17 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  I wrote about Yamal LNG. Exclude him?

                  why not! After all, it’s not we who decide this request
                  The issue of gas prices is a political issue!
                  And in politics, they can step on their own throats. Sanctions Example
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 15 May 2020 19: 20 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    The issue of gas prices is a political issue

                    He is political until his teeth clatter ... from the cold. Or the generation frequency at the TPP does not begin to fall (the load is maximum) ... And this happens in the summer.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 15 May 2020 19: 43 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Mountain Shooter
                      He is political until his teeth clatter ... from the cold.

                      and to prevent this from happening in the EU, it is planned to build 22 new terminals, which will bring their total number to 50. According to the forecast of the International Energy Agency, 2019 will be a record year for the volume of investments in gas liquefaction and regasification projects. Since the beginning of the year, companies have announced $ 50 billion invested in the LNG industry, and have also made final investment decisions for LNG projects with a capacity of more than 170 billion cubic meters.
              2. for
                for 15 May 2020 20: 11 New
                +3
                Quote: Silvestr
                The EU is going to almost double the number of large-capacity regasification terminals in the coming years

                And ours probably decided to rely more on LNG, the construction of icebreakers and gas carriers speaks for it. This will remove the dependence on transit.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 May 2020 19: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And the senators would not have spawned, regarding the completion of the SP-2, if it is still unprofitable.

          By the way, today the news-Poland did not extend the transit agreement with Gazprom
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 15 May 2020 19: 14 New
            -2
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Poland did not extend transit agreement with Gazprom

            From 2022–2023, the Polish state-owned company PGNiG expects to buy large volumes of liquefied natural gas in the United States. According to the already signed contracts, Poland will purchase from the American Cheniere within 24 years, first, about 0,52 million tons of liquefied gas per year (until 2022), and after that - 1,45 million tons each, as well as 2 million tons per year Venture Global LNG for 20 years. The country plans to purchase another 2,7 billion cubic meters of LNG from 2022 from Qatar.
            In addition to LNG purchases, Poland also plans to build a Baltic Pipe gas pipeline from Norway with a capacity of 8 billion cubic meters. At the same time, in 2018, Poland reduced purchases of pipeline gas from Russia by 6,4%, to 9,8 billion cubic meters, and in the first half of 2019 - by 28%, to 4,3 billion cubic meters.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 15 May 2020 19: 26 New
              +4
              Quote: Silvestr
              In addition to LNG purchases, Poland also plans to build a Baltic Pipe gas pipeline from Norway with a capacity of 8 billion cubic meters. At the same time, in 2018, Poland reduced purchases of pipeline gas from Russia by 6,4%, to 9,8 billion cubic meters, and in the first half of 2019 - by 28%, to 4,3 billion cubic meters.

              This is good news ... There will be no more gas in Norway. 8 billion cubes is minus 8 to Germany ... and who will replenish it? I dare to assume that when Germany suddenly starts to freeze, then all EU directives will go to the "firebox" ... faster than the screeching of European officials ... The Germans are already freaking out from payments for electricity. Will they come for American gas?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 15 May 2020 19: 41 New
                -2
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                The Germans are already awesome from paying for electricity.

                and? Sanctions canceled? Political expediency now determines everything.
          2. molyr
            molyr 15 May 2020 22: 31 New
            +2
            and they were offered?
        3. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 15 May 2020 19: 42 New
          -2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Silvestr
          What exactly is right?

          And I really like the assessment of contract gas at spot prices on the exchange ... this is how it is today, and tomorrow it is like that. Did everyone really believe that gas is forever cheap? That Power of Siberia will never pay off? That the EU gas directive is permanent and cannot be canceled? Or send gas through a pipe from some Lukoil, which will start sending "Turkmen gas" through the pipe? Well, not all of them are fools ... And the senators would not spawn about the completion of the SP-2, if it is still unprofitable ... laughing

          Illustration of the level of professionalism of senior managers in the Russian Federation (Kommersant.ru source): Transneft: Sechin asked Putin to lower tariffs, confusing tons and barrels
          Rosneft asked to almost halve the tariffs for pumping oil, based on incorrect estimates, said RBC adviser to the president of Transneft Igor Demin. So, at a meeting with President Vladimir Putin, the head of Rosneft Igor Sechin said that transport costs now account for 32% of the cost of oil. According to Mr. Demin, deliveries to Russian oil refineries cost 16,8% of the cost of oil, and the cost of pumping for export ranges from 11,9% to 16,7%.
          “The whole sensationality of the statement about the transport tariff is one third of the cost of oil based on an amazing misunderstanding of the difference between tons and barrels used in the calculations", Said Mr. Demin ...
          Mr. Demin explained that the head of Rosneft quoted the price of oil per barrel (in a ton of about 7,33 barrels), not a ton, and without taking into account the difference in the dollar exchange rate.

          PS
          Well, not everyone is fools ...
          Of course, not all, but those who make decisions are enough for a catastrophe.
        4. toha124
          toha124 17 May 2020 12: 13 New
          +1
          Well, yes - as far as I understand, the EU directive restricts the use of the pipe to a monopoly supplier, and not to the country of production. Those. some "independent supplier" or even a real non-Gazprom production company like Novatek can conclude a contract with Gazprom for the transport of its gas to the EU. Moreover, physically, its gas can go in the other direction, and Gazprom will add its own to the SP-2 (this is what they do with oil in the Transneft system).
      2. iouris
        iouris 15 May 2020 22: 08 New
        -3
        It is written: "everything is correct". The people are nravitstsa!
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2020 18: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: 30 vis
      So Russia is doing everything right!

      You amaze me. Just stay, just fall! fool The last 30 years of the politics that rule her do everything wrong .....
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 May 2020 17: 19 New
    17
    Isn’t it just time to start toughly defending Russia's positions and interests in the world market? US sanctions should simply be spit on, because otherwise we will become completely dependent on the opinions of others, thereby the country will finally lose the remnants of sovereignty and invisibility.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 15 May 2020 17: 22 New
      0
      While smearing snot ... but I think they will soon begin to wipe.
    2. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 17: 46 New
      10
      Quote: Thrifty
      The sanctions of the us just need to spit

      To spit, you need to have something of your own, for example, an independent monetary system and a self-sufficient industry, and with us it is very sad.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 15 May 2020 18: 12 New
      +3
      Isn’t it just time to start toughly defending positions.
      What kind of positions do you want to defend? There are many of them in the "Kamasutra", and in which of them our interests in the world market, I'm afraid even the specialists get lost ...
      1. V.I.P.
        V.I.P. 15 May 2020 18: 37 New
        -3
        How do you not know? The irremovable spoke, got up from his knees. and elbows on the ground))). That's the whole Kama Sutra ...
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 15 May 2020 19: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Isn’t it just time to start toughly defending positions and interests

      so we do not mind! But the authorities have a different vision
  • Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 15 May 2020 17: 21 New
    0
    Let's see how Miller and Faberge
  • Proton
    Proton 15 May 2020 17: 27 New
    -1
    So let's see how things are with Gazprom with steel balls. yes
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 15 May 2020 17: 35 New
      -1
      Well, not all the same time to carry crystal ... laughing
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 May 2020 17: 30 New
    +5
    Introduce a ban on the export of palladium, crank components for heavy presses, titanium metal, lenses and mirrors for astronomers, engines for heavy helicopters, ejection seats, rocket engines, special materials and much more, in which Russia leads. Then SP2 will go.
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 17: 39 New
      -3
      yeah, thank you, the Russians will say that all this is done ...
      tens of thousands of people work at Energomash and VSMPO Avisma alone ...
      who will feed their children?
      are you?
      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 15 May 2020 17: 49 New
        +3
        '' After all, titanium is extremely necessary for the fuselage skin of such airliners as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The news doesn't talk about it, but titanium is also an indispensable metal for modern military aircraft such as Boeing's F / A-18 Super Hornet. In a study by RAND Corp. it is noted that the metal structures of the F / A-18 Super Hornet (which have just carried out bombing attacks on targets of the ISIS terrorist group in northern Iraq) contain "21 percent titanium."
        And this is just a fraction of the titanium that the American defense industry needs, since building a modern combat aircraft requires much more titanium than is contained in the final product. Military contractors call this the "buy-to-fly ratio": the ratio of how much titanium must be bought versus how much is ultimately used on the aircraft. The weight of the titanium to be purchased for a single F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is 30,000 pounds, or 15 tons. China is the main global source of titanium, but it tends to consume what it produces itself. Teal Group analyst Richard Abulafia warns that titanium is “a commodity product. And if the United States or the West begins to target commodity products, the situation will become dangerous, because Western Europe is highly dependent on oil and gas from Russia. "" We can target [sanctions] defense products, debt markets for financial instruments, people, but if you are talking about goods, it is absolutely not in the West's favor. "
        No, it’s not good, and here’s why: According to the 2013 report of the State Strategic Reserve for National Defense, submitted by the Pentagon to Congressional and Senate Committees for the Affairs of the Armed Forces, of the 19 metals and minerals on the list of “scarce”, Russia supplies 10. For 5 of these 10 positions - antimony, carborundum (silicon carbide), bismuth, gallium and scandium - the United States has nothing at hand - nothing. Of the same five positions: the United States is 100% dependent on imports of scandium, 99% on gallium, 91% on bismuth, 85% on antimony and 72% on carborundum.
        1. Andrey Zhukov
          Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 17: 53 New
          -1
          but what, besides Russia, is nobody extracting and selling it?
          give our market share to competitors?
          Bravo!
          this is a brilliant move
          to spite mom frostbite ears
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 May 2020 18: 38 New
            +3
            There are no competitors there. Consumption is large and there are few countries selling. there is essentially no one to fill in any failure.
            1. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 18: 43 New
              -5
              no competitors there

              this is not true. Russia is NOT a monopolist.
              There are competitors for any position.
              The market will make up for any failure rather quickly. Someone will increase production and the price will rise, of course
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 15 May 2020 18: 55 New
                +2
                what does the monopoly have to do with it? production and consumption are almost the same figures. no one will give the states at the expense of their consumption. if they could, they would long ago have gone to others. but not to anyone.
                1. Andrey Zhukov
                  Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 16 New
                  -1
                  production and consumption are almost the same numbers

                  why so, you know?
                  This is the market.
                  If there is demand, there will be supply.
                  Russia will leave the market - the price will rise - production in other countries will increase.
                  I’m not saying that we are not the only ones so wise to buy sanctions through 3 countries
            2. Aag
              Aag 15 May 2020 21: 43 New
              -2
              Quote: carstorm 11
              There are no competitors there. Consumption is large and there are few countries selling. there is essentially no one to fill in any failure.

              I can not vouch for the accuracy, but open sources say the opposite. Dial "global titanium suppliers".
      2. Alf
        Alf 15 May 2020 17: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
        yeah, thank you, the Russians will say that all this is done ...
        tens of thousands of people work at Energomash and VSMPO Avisma alone ...
        who will feed their children?
        are you?

        And where did all this go under the USSR?
        1. Andrey Zhukov
          Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 18: 04 New
          -2
          first borrow your consumers, and then "block" exports to the USA
          1. Alf
            Alf 15 May 2020 18: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Zhukov
            first get your customers

            But where did these consumers divide, one must ask the camarilla who has been in power since the 91st year.
            1. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 18: 11 New
              -1
              ask :)
              1. Alf
                Alf 15 May 2020 18: 14 New
                -5
                Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                ask :)

                And so that nobody would ask the similar-inconvenient questions of power and the number of the National Guard is increased, and the law on allowing policemen to break into houses and open both apartments and cars is now being pushed hard.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 15 May 2020 18: 57 New
                  0
                  the law is not about that. you simplify it too much and mislead people.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 15 May 2020 19: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    the law is not about that. you simplify it too much and mislead people.

                    Explain then popularly what I did not explain.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 15 May 2020 21: 01 New
                      +3
                      Well, everything seems to be written in the draft law. you write what they can enter but do not write where for what reason. which cars to open and why. removing all these nuances you are simply manipulating. what's wrong. Well, as an example, why they can allow opening a car without an owner. you drive and see a car in which a baby in the sun. he can die. but now a policeman, if opened by law, cannot save a child without consequences. or in an apartment where the child is locked up and no parents. do you think this is bad? Of course a lot of nuances. but I don’t see death. I live by law. traffic cops probably slowed down the last time about 5 years ago) and the police only on the street I see when I pass by.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 15 May 2020 21: 19 New
                        -1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        do you think this is bad?

                        This is all just wonderful, but the whole problem is that now, in fact, I, as an ordinary citizen, are not protected in any way in front of the police. There are constant scandals in which, in the case of citizens' appeals, the guilty policemen are either frankly excused "for lack of corpus delicti" or, to the extreme, are transferred to another department for the same position. As for the opening of the apartment, it is left to the discretion of the district chief, who, judging by the news reports, very often feels like a king and a god according to the principle "what I want, I turn it over." The law says, on suspicion of terrorism, but the only question is, if this suspicion is not confirmed, then who will compensate me for everything that the valiant members of the city guards have spoiled? This, of course, is a metaphor, but there are a lot of Karpovs in the police and very few Glukharevs and Tarasovs.
                  2. iouris
                    iouris 15 May 2020 23: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    the law is not about it

                    The old people among the people say: "The law is like a horse." Let's wait for law enforcement practice, then (perhaps) your rightness will become obvious (or wrong).
        2. for
          for 15 May 2020 20: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Alf
          And where did all this go under the USSR?

          Maybe part of the warehouses was gathering dust, a lot of USSR goods were superfluous, but they were produced so that there was no unemployment. By the way, there were unofficial unemployed with a benefit of 120 rubles, although they were used in agricultural work and vegetable depots.
          1. Alf
            Alf 15 May 2020 20: 45 New
            -3
            Quote: for
            Maybe part of the warehouses was gathering dust, a lot of USSR goods were superfluous,

            Do you know a lot of warehouses where machines created for lack of unemployment would gather dust? Or passenger planes? Or for example, cameras?
    2. Elephant
      Elephant 15 May 2020 17: 44 New
      0
      Good offer, only there are factors preventing our rulers from doing this. Indeed, many have relatives over the hill, real estate, etc. They do not want to risk anything and jeopardize their own interests.
    3. dgonni
      dgonni 15 May 2020 17: 48 New
      0
      Yeah. Free up the market niche of products with more or less adequate added value, which other manufacturers will occupy. Great move.
    4. Cryvedco
      Cryvedco 15 May 2020 17: 55 New
      0
      You don’t understand anything in free markets. They are for what?
    5. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 May 2020 19: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      a ban on the export of palladium, crank components for heavy presses, metal titanium, lenses and mirrors for astronomers, engines for heavy helicopters, ejection seats, rocket engines, special materials and much more, in which Russia leads

      Do you think that our lenses are ahead of the rest? There is such a company as Karl Zeiss. Ukrainians do engines for heavy helicopters, a license was bought for ejection seats. Rocket engines allow Energomash to survive. Close the export of titanium and the titanium valley will die, the plant will be built elsewhere. There are no products without which the West cannot exist. But our plants live on them.
  • Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 17: 33 New
    -14
    Gazprom will not go under sanctions, because this is tantamount to bankruptcy of the company.
    He lives off export
    Gotta quit ...
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 15 May 2020 17: 41 New
      +1
      export to usa? what, money?
      nefiga Gazprom there to keep their assets there, trades not from the usa, then they will have to impose sanctions on the whole of Europe
      By the way, you can transfer gas contracts in euros
      1. Andrey Zhukov
        Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 17: 45 New
        -4
        Gazprom trades with the whole world.
        Sanctions = not only a ban on settlements in dollars, but also a taboo on working with Gazprom for any companies that have business and accounts in the US ... and these are almost all large companies in the world ...
        heard of secondary sanctions?
        there are few who want to fall under them ...
        1. Tuzik
          Tuzik 15 May 2020 17: 56 New
          +5
          it’s easy to get around, a company is created without assets in the United States and work as much as you like with Kim Chen, and figs with him sanctions, they will not be able to impose sanctions on all consumers
          1. Andrey Zhukov
            Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 18: 01 New
            -5
            Yes Yes :)
            here you are all about laying companies explain Shell or Total :)
            will they muddle these gray schemes and risk tens of billions of their business in the US for us?
            or just spit and buy American liquefied gas, albeit a little more expensive?
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 15 May 2020 19: 11 New
              -2
              Quote: Andrey Zhukov
              about Shell companies explain Shell or Total :)
              will they muddle these gray schemes and risk tens of billions of their business in the US for us?

              laughing A rapidly falling jack steers good They are built on these gaskets and due to them live all over the world.
              1. Andrey Zhukov
                Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 17 New
                0
                Here you go ... belay
                Run away from US sanctions?
                somehow we missed it ...
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 15 May 2020 19: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                  Run away from US sanctions?

                  From taxes, sanctions, trade unions, antitrust committees ... Work shorter
                  1. Andrey Zhukov
                    Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 25 New
                    -3
                    do not confuse taxes with unions and sanctions against countries
                    have fled far in Iran and North Korea?
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 15 May 2020 19: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                      have fled far in Iran and North Korea?

                      Well, do not confuse. Their TNCs and crush. Or someone really interested in the rights of the rights of pederasts in North Korea? There are rare earths like mud and everything is owned by the state
                      1. Andrey Zhukov
                        Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 35 New
                        0
                        Their TNCs and crush

                        what place do they crush them?
                        These multinational corporations have already drowned their saliva on Iranian oil licking their lips ...
                        but - it is impossible!
                        US do not order ..
                        here they sit quietly
                        There would be no sanctions drilled and traded everything in a row
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 15 May 2020 19: 39 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                        There would be no sanctions drilled and traded everything in a row

                        Someone yes. And someone gritted his teeth and was looking for a new excuse to knock a player out of the market. I’m not saying that everything is unanimous. Competition however
                      3. Andrey Zhukov
                        Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 45 New
                        -3
                        ... and the gaskets did not help them ....
                        so that the example of Gazprom and its "partners" is always before our eyes.
                        it's easier to leave this scrap at the bottom and write off losses
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 15 May 2020 19: 47 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                        it's easier to leave this scrap at the bottom and write off losses

                        Or finish and .... do not fill until the situation develops Climate unpredictable thing
                      5. Andrey Zhukov
                        Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 51 New
                        -3
                        Or finish building

                        Gazprom bankrupt without export
                      6. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 15 May 2020 19: 56 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                        Gazprom bankrupt without export

                        Because of one new pipe that will leave as a reserve?
                        Some states will fall apart tomorrow, you have Gazprom bankrupt
                        Stop smoking, get real
                      7. Andrey Zhukov
                        Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 19: 59 New
                        -3
                        completion = sanctions = no export = bankruptcy
                      8. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 15 May 2020 20: 02 New
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                        = bankruptcy

                        EU? All! Today rations issued request
                      9. Andrey Zhukov
                        Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 20: 08 New
                        -1
                        What does the European Union have to do with it? Gazprom is completing. him and go bankrupt.
                        And "partners" will express concern and merge
  • Avior
    Avior 15 May 2020 20: 33 New
    -2
    . or just spit and buy American liquefied gas, albeit a little more expensive?

    And about the sanctions for the purchase of Russian gas out of the question
    Only against the fact that through SP2
    Will be taken through other pipelines.
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 20: 36 New
      -2
      sanctions against who will complete the SP-2, i.e. Gazprom
      Secondary sanctions against those doing business with sub-sanction companies (Gazprom).
      This is called secondary sanctions.
      1. Avior
        Avior 15 May 2020 21: 11 New
        -1
        I mean threats to impose sanctions against SP2 participants and buyers of gas from it
        1. Andrey Zhukov
          Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 21: 21 New
          -1
          and I'm talking about the same
          1. Avior
            Avior 15 May 2020 21: 38 New
            -2
            You just wrote above that the Germans will buy liquefied gas
            But this is completely optional
            There is, for example, a Ukrainian pipe with a large reserve in volume.
            Germans can receive gas from there calmly and without sanctions, as it was before the advent of the joint venture
            The ban on the use of SP2 the amount of Russian gas in Europe in general and in Germany in particular will not change the volume of Russian gas in Europe
            1. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 22: 07 New
              -3
              no matter where the gas comes from, it is important who to buy it from. Gazprom sells Russian gas
              After the sanctions, you can’t buy it from Gazprom. From any pipe
            2. Avior
              Avior 15 May 2020 23: 08 New
              0
              I have never seen this approved.
              And I strongly doubt that anyone in the States could threaten to actually stop transit through Ukraine.
              I think you are mistaken.
            3. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 23: 11 New
              -1
              secondary sanctions are imposed on any company that conducts any business with a subsidiary company.
              All Russian large companies are very afraid of this - mobile operators, Sberbank, Gazprom, etc.
              And rightly afraid
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 15 May 2020 19: 13 New
    -3
    Quote: Tuzik
    and work as you like even with Kim Jong-un

    Rosneft recently left Venezuela because it was not allowed to bid on Chinese sites
  • Kisa
    Kisa 15 May 2020 18: 01 New
    +3
    throw when 6% is the suicide of the current government - not only patriots stand on their hind legs but ordinary citizens do not understand. of the options that Gazprom has after the adoption of antitrust restrictions by Düsseldorf 1 - give 15 km of pipes to the Germans 2 - let Rosneft go to the pipe and 3 - the most disadvantageous for the Russian Federation to play the remaining 50% of the volumes on the stock exchange with these sanctions the States are pushing to go ...
    I already forgot what is the formal rationale for sanctions on the pipe? for the Crimea? for interfering in the election?
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 18: 07 New
      -5
      ordinary citizens will not understand

      ordinary citizens are all up to the bulb.
      and especially inquisitive on TV they will explain everything as it should
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 May 2020 18: 48 New
        -2
        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
        and especially inquisitive on TV they will explain everything as it should

        Mr. Peskov will soon come to work and will explain everything to us, along with Zakharova and Kiselyov-TV.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 May 2020 20: 16 New
      0
      Quote: kitty
      I already forgot what is the formal rationale for sanctions on the pipe? for the Crimea? for interfering in the election?

      Energy independence (security) of Europe from Russia.
  • BAI
    BAI 15 May 2020 17: 34 New
    +5
    They suggest a ban on entering the United States and freezing U.S. assets persons

    And I support such sanctions. May was threatening to do something in London, but was blown away. Mb Will the US be more important? Money stolen in Russia must be kept in Russia, not in the USA and not in London.
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 17: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      Money stolen in Russia must be kept in Russia,

      And then what is the point of robbing them?
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 15 May 2020 17: 37 New
    +1
    What a sur. America does only what it is allowed to do. And without this, the spinelessness of our government is striking. Sanctions, in recent years introduced above the roof. Was there at least one adequate answer? We still supply them with uranium for nuclear power plants, rocket engines, etc. Sur. Whose government we have, if the stabilization fund is still in the bucks? If so far we can’t issue an issue without buying bucks?
    Moreover, the stabilization fund, as it turned out, was not for us, but for banks that did not care about us. Which sectors of the economy received support?
    The coronovirus turned out to be an excellent pretext for the seizure of civil liberties, but revealed the complete failure of the authorities. Upon closer inspection, our media turned out to be no better than Ukrainian ones. Hooray patriotism and propaganda. More or less independent sources of information have shifted to YouTube.
    A complete imitation of activities from the government is supported by a frank cut, when they wash the Moscow Ring Road and the streets, when you can go to Pyaterochka, but not to the hairdresser. When Kazakhstan paid to pensioners from 60 to 100 tons (not tenges), and we combed it out only when a social explosion became inevitable and gave (not yet given, but promised) miserable swap.
    When in the Kuban farmers are forced to destroy crops, and all food chains are littered with imports.
    Against this background, I understand the State Department, which, taking advantage of the lack of state interests among our elite, promotes the projects of its elites.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 15 May 2020 18: 16 New
      0
      America does only what it is allowed to do.
      No, dear. This is our government doing what they allow it. And America does what it wants and considers profitable for itself ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 May 2020 17: 38 New
    +1
    And sho "normal" move, big game .....
    What will be the answer?
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 15 May 2020 17: 52 New
      +3
      Probably the answer will be, as always ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 May 2020 17: 55 New
        0
        You can, of course, wait and see ... but I don’t want to listen to another concern about the "Western partners"!
    2. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 17: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      What will be the answer?

      "Russia is preparing an alternative answer," however, which we ourselves do not know ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 May 2020 17: 58 New
        +1
        Discard doubts ... another concern will be voiced, as always.
        Although the gas pipeline is being built before, and these are no longer empty words.
        Even so.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 May 2020 18: 00 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Although the gas pipeline is being built before, and these are no longer empty words.

          That's when they finish building, then let's say Gop.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 May 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            It's right. Good saying in the subject. Let's wait, see and say GOP, not long to wait.
    3. cniza
      cniza 15 May 2020 18: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      And sho "normal" move, big game .....
      What will be the answer?


      Silently do their job, but when they start to introduce something, then we will respond ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 May 2020 18: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        then we will respond ...

        You can not call them partners ..... "the opposite or that side," as something else, diplomatically, there are terms. The word "partners" in the direction of minke whales, gets stuck in the teeth, and it smells very bad.
        It is clear that nobody will break the business with that side, but it’s high time to cut the feathers on their territory.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 May 2020 20: 23 New
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          but it’s high time to cut them feathers on its territory.

          I do not see options.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 May 2020 20: 56 New
            +1
            If we don’t see something, don’t find it means ... they’ve looked badly.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 May 2020 20: 58 New
              -2
              Quote: rocket757
              If we don’t see something, don’t find it means ... they’ve looked badly.

              Get well. I do not see winning options.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 May 2020 21: 07 New
                0
                But there are win-win ... though, these are just my wishes, for those who think that there are no options at all over the hill, over the oiled partners.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 May 2020 21: 10 New
                  -1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  for those who believe that there are no options at all for the hill, the partners overseen.

                  For them, there is just one. But not for us.
  • Sasha Minakov
    Sasha Minakov 15 May 2020 17: 38 New
    +6
    They say and do. For this they have great respect. In the sense that they directly strangle and hate Russia openly. Do not play. Openly trying to destroy. In this sense, open the eyes of many Russians. What and how in this world. We will have national power. Sooner or later. And then on the Kremlin’s website we read: We impose sanctions against the United States and crush with all possible methods since the United States threatens the interests of Great Russia. It will be so.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 15 May 2020 17: 39 New
    +2
    in, the striped snakes stirred, so no one doubted, well, forward and with the song, the next step would be the introduction of sanctions to German gas companies for the inclusion of the SP-2 branch wassat
  • tatra
    tatra 15 May 2020 17: 42 New
    +3
    The most important totalitarianists in the world are Americans.
  • Guron
    Guron 15 May 2020 17: 48 New
    +2
    Introduce a ban on the export of palladium, crank components for heavy presses, titanium metal, lenses and mirrors for astronomers, engines for heavy helicopters, ejection seats, rocket engines, special materials and much more, in which Russia leads. Then SP2 will go.

    The ban should be introduced on someone else's products, not on your own! Stop here what they themselves have no special need for. And our partners should not be allowed to buy from "American partners". Only do it quietly, but persistently. And let them buy ours ..
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 18: 22 New
      -3
      Quote: Guron
      The ban must be imposed on someone else’s products,

      Take Windu from your computer, and throw the computer itself. Yes, change to a Lada, although for a long time the VAZ has not been ours. Yes, take all the electronic equipment and household appliances out of the house, and install ours, just find it first. Continue to continue?
      Quote: Guron
      To stop here is something that the very people themselves do not need.

      What is no need? Take a look around you and tell me, what is CREATED in Russia from the environment, but not collected and not imported?
    2. malyvalv
      malyvalv 15 May 2020 23: 41 New
      +1
      Well, let's put on some kind of critical product that the "partner" is tortured to import substitution, but which in the balance of trade takes a penny, it is necessary to stop. This is useful and clears the brains of "partners".
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 May 2020 17: 51 New
    0
    US threatens Gazprom with sanctions for completion of Nord Stream 2
    Impressive. So the child is threatened if he does not eat porridge, or do homework. Keep placing cash in US government debt bonds! Not advertising, but the motto of the leadership of the Russian Federation. sad
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 15 May 2020 17: 51 New
    +1
    It takes nonsense.
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 15 May 2020 17: 52 New
    -1
    sanctions:))
    And they know who is involved in this project? What do they think, the Dutch, Austrians, Germans and others will react to this?
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 15 May 2020 17: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Voletsky
      What do they think, the Dutch, Austrians, Germans and others will react to this?

      very simple - merge ...
      and expenses will be written off at a loss
    2. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 18: 25 New
      -2
      Quote: Voletsky
      What do they think, the Dutch, Austrians, Germans and others will react to this?

      And who will ask them? As previously characterized, NATO is a union of a knight and a squire. Where the knight, there is the squire.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 15 May 2020 18: 59 New
        +2
        cast a joke, funny :)
        the world is not as simple as you think
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 May 2020 19: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: Voletsky
          cast a joke, funny :)

          I am very happy.
          Quote: Voletsky
          the world is not as simple as you think

          Then give examples when the Europeans went against the will of Hegemon.
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 15 May 2020 19: 57 New
            +3
            Well, for starters, you can mention gas in exchange for pipes :)
            the devil is not so scary as he is painted :)
  • Last centurion
    Last centurion 15 May 2020 17: 53 New
    +1
    they’ll introduce it anyway, it’s necessary to complete it. But it is time for Gazprom and its cones to import substitute in the Crimea, Sochi and other friendly Chinas. And do not roll loot abroad
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 18: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Last centurion
      But it is time for Gazprom and its cones to import substitute in the Crimea, Sochi and other friendly Chinas.

      What did Gref say about the absence of Sber in the Crimea? You can’t, otherwise they will impose sanctions.
  • Avior
    Avior 15 May 2020 17: 54 New
    +3
    He said nothing new.
    The plans to introduce additional sanctions were known back in winter
    . reports the German business publication Handelsblatt, citing sources among diplomats in Washington.

    According to the interlocutors of the publication, the House of Representatives and the Senate are preparing a new bill on sanctions. If the last time sanctions threatened companies involved in the construction of the gas pipeline, this time European investors and future gas purchasers could be the object of sanctions.

    The representative of the German concern Uniper, which is Gazprom's partner in the project, told the publication that the company is monitoring the situation. “We know that the Americans are determined to prevent the implementation of Nord Stream -2,” the representative of the concern said.

    Does the United States have the determination to do this and how Europe will react to this - that is the question.
    But the possibility of such sanctions was written almost immediately after the first sanctions on SP2, so this is not news.
    It seems that the United States believed that Russia would finish building SP2 anyway, otherwise they would not even talk about the second stage of sanctions
    But whether they have enough strength or just scare, which is also possible, we will see further.
    hi
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 15 May 2020 18: 41 New
      +1
      “Does the United States have enough resolve?” - we'll wait until November.
      Trump - Striped Chauvin - "America Above All"
      "Everything for America". Tyrsa flies from the UN, WHO, China,
      Mexico, Europe is an energetic guy, you can’t say anything.
      In his head there are only grandmas - I won’t let Russia trade in Europe,
      all the money of Europe for America.
      The Germans were completely blown away - through their garden, without really asking,
      The United States climbed into Poland and the Tribaltics and are doing what they want.
      I think the 20th is his last year as a bargaining president.
      A POLITIC will come, then we'll see.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 May 2020 20: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: Kushka
        A POLITIC will come, then we'll see.

        Clintonsha?
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 May 2020 21: 14 New
          -1
          Judging by the latest news, Biden has a chance
        2. Kushka
          Kushka 15 May 2020 21: 32 New
          -1
          This is a joke? USA is a country with history, and whatever you say
          great country. The huckster president is a "whim" of history.
          Trump is a business spree. He is a beggar just
          how many sharks of this class should be. He is bluffing
          blackmailing, intimidating, otherwise it just rattles -
          Provokes. Kim sent him right away and well done.
          Act on his provocation, this is what he seeks.
          After all, the child understands, the one who put to the bottom of the sea
          1000 km., And put 150. Why is it noisy? Provokes.
          But it works - look at the comments - throw a bomb,
          do not sell a single kg. something there, "they want to destroy us",
          Than??? Blackmail? So Kim is weak, but Russia is easy?
          GDP can be criticized, but it is no stupider than Kim.
          My opinion is that the aunts' time has passed (I mean Merkel,
          Clintonshu). And the time of blackmail and threats will pass. Trump
          hochmochka - it's time for everyone to get serious and Russia should be
          the first is ready for this. They will not be able to make from Russia
          aunt is a tantrum. The United States will have to return to politics.
          Indulged in (Obama, Trump), it's time to grow wiser.
      2. Avior
        Avior 15 May 2020 20: 36 New
        -1
        And who, in your place, will come in the election instead of Trump?
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  • zenion
    zenion 15 May 2020 17: 59 New
    0
    It's like the movie Golden Tooth. In general, one man decided to scare the other on the train. But he hit him on the head. When the man woke up, he asked - I scared you great. He said - even very strongly when I thought I had killed you.
  • cniza
    cniza 15 May 2020 18: 04 New
    +3
    if it is commissioned, the Russian company Gazprom and other involved individuals and legal entities will be subject to sanctions.


    Well, soon the belly button will unleash from the strain ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 04 New
    -7
    according to the laws of the Russian Federation, only Gazprom has the ability to export gas through pipes laughing
  • mikhailovich22
    mikhailovich22 15 May 2020 18: 06 New
    0
    Previously, the United States printed dollars and bought goods around the world, but now they have a new stage of development, they print dollars and not only buy goods around the world, but also distribute money to the people of the United States. A joke about an elephant and a fly "eternal buzz".
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 10 New
    -1
    From 2021, we will cut both pipes by Sumerians and Poles by 30 billion. crying laughing
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 15 May 2020 20: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      From 2021, we will cut both pipes by Sumerians and Poles by 30 billion. crying laughing

      Where do you get this from? Gazprom has a five-year contract with Ukraine. It will end only in 2025. We can pump gas, we can not pump, but you will have to pay for the pipe in any case.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 13 New
    -4
    U will pile some crazy dreams ...

    The action of quarantine is obvious! laughing waiting for the nationalization of the elites and the pogrom offshore
  • Courier
    Courier 15 May 2020 18: 15 New
    +2
    I wrote about this in December.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 15 May 2020 18: 20 New
    -8
    Yeah! It’s bad when a person in power has a body in the Russian Federation, and the "scrotum" is in the United States squeezed in a vice! laughing

    Add oil to the fire .....

    In Belarus, announced the start of oil supplies from the United States
    “I am pleased to confirm the beginning of oil supplies from the USA to Belarus,” Makey noted. According to him, deliveries became possible following the agreements that were reached during a visit to Belarus by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on February 1, 2020.

    Make shelves for your teeth, comrades! hi
  • anjey
    anjey 15 May 2020 18: 21 New
    +2
    The United States, a country of frightened idiots, it is necessary to impose sanctions only simply because Russia exists in the world laughing
  • Kushka
    Kushka 15 May 2020 18: 22 New
    +1
    There was not enough storytelling to provoke yet.
    Some are building - others are against - what's new?
    Starting from the temple in Yekaterinburg and ending ...
    yes in every n.p. an example is found ..
    The stubborn and strong wins, so he will finish building.
    And scandal is a matter of grandmothers.
  • Oleg kubanoid
    Oleg kubanoid 15 May 2020 18: 23 New
    +1
    Well, before they shouted that we do not have the technical capabilities .. and now they threaten with sanctions .. once again shows how worthless they are .. therefore it’s necessary to complete the SP-2 in order to show the whole world that they can be crushed ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 24 New
    -2
    In the fall, they will start to make Sumerians and immediately all the directives will go to the toilet. laughing
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 15 May 2020 18: 31 New
    0
    From overseas from the forest, where there is hell at all,
    Where are such evil demons - they almost eat each other,
    To do evil together then
    Share arrived experience.
    Scary, already terrible! yes
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 37 New
    0
    Judging by the loading of SP-1, Gazprom hit it, the same fate awaits SP-2. Europe will pay and repent, especially in the current conditions. So far, everyone has been barking about SP2, they have built and launched an oil pipeline to China, and no one has said anything. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    Quote: nycsson
    Yeah! It’s bad when a person in power has a body in the Russian Federation, and the "scrotum" is in the United States squeezed in a vice! laughing

    Add oil to the fire .....

    In Belarus, announced the start of oil supplies from the United States
    “I am pleased to confirm the beginning of oil supplies from the USA to Belarus,” Makey noted. According to him, deliveries became possible following the agreements that were reached during a visit to Belarus by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on February 1, 2020.

    Make shelves for your teeth, comrades! hi

    Yes, and good oil. They will rebuild the refineries and heal richly. laughingnews - like: "Hurray !! we changed the dealer" ...)))))))))))
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: nycsson
    Yeah! It’s bad when a person in power has a body in the Russian Federation, and the "scrotum" is in the United States squeezed in a vice! laughing

    Add oil to the fire .....

    In Belarus, announced the start of oil supplies from the United States
    “I am pleased to confirm the beginning of oil supplies from the USA to Belarus,” Makey noted. According to him, deliveries became possible following the agreements that were reached during a visit to Belarus by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on February 1, 2020.

    Make shelves for your teeth, comrades! hi

    1.

    “This week the first batch of American oil will go to Belarus. This competitive deal, concluded with the participation of the American energy trader United Energy Trading, as well as with the assistance of the American company Getka and their Polish partner UNIMOT, strengthens Belarusian sovereignty and independence, demonstrates that the United States is ready to provide trade opportunities for American companies interested in entering the Belarusian market, ”said the chief of American diplomacy. He recalled that in this way the United States "fulfills the obligations assumed in February."

    price?! .. well, without Poles in any way!)

    2. TASS: ROSNEFT CONCLUDES AGREEMENTS FOR DELIVERY OF 9 MILLION TONS OF OIL TO BELARUSIAN REFINERY FROM APRIL TO DECEMBER 2020 - COMPANY

    and this is only Rosneft! there are others.)
  • Sergey Pedenko
    Sergey Pedenko 15 May 2020 18: 41 New
    +1
    But this should not be regarded as a declaration of war?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 May 2020 20: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Pedenko
      But this should not be regarded as a declaration of war?

      They announced this in December.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey Pedenko
    But this should not be regarded as a declaration of war?

    Very believable version. At one time, if I’m not mistaken, there were almost wars (trade for sure) between France and England for catching herring and / or cod. And now, even green demons can be poisoned. So it's better to wait. laughing
  • faterdom
    faterdom 15 May 2020 18: 49 New
    +1
    Is it time to threaten the United States? Give Kim the S-400 division at last, it will pay off handsomely!
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 19: 18 New
      -4
      Quote: faterdom
      Is it time to threaten the United States?

      What? So that our "elite" will stop buying houses and apartments in mattresses?
      Quote: faterdom
      Give Kim the S-400 division at last, it will pay off handsomely!

      Yes, even though the S-600 can be given away for free, that's just what Trump will scare on a strategic scale?
      North Korea, by and large, does not affect anyone and does not affect the international situation in any way. Tomorrow she will disappear and who will notice it? I will tell you a secret, in the White House and the Pentagon, many do not know where this SK is located.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 May 2020 22: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Alf
        North Korea, by and large, does not affect anyone and does not affect the international situation in any way. Tomorrow she will disappear and who will notice it?

        North Korea keeps the mattress geopolitical allies South Korea and Japan in tense, and also holds at gunpoint about 50 thousand bayonets of the mattress army concentrated in this region, and therefore this "spit" on mattresses will be very expensive and they cannot ignore it a priori ...
        Quote: Alf
        in the White House and the Pentagon, many do not know where this SC is

        That is, that is, there is no arguing with M. Zadornov - Dumb !. They and the fleet rotate to the coast of Belarus every quarter.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 May 2020 18: 51 New
    0
    The knowledge of the subject not at the tops is also the key to a calm sleep bully
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 15 May 2020 18: 57 New
    +2
    Why not go "exceptional" along one well-known walking route ?! Now for us the completion of the SP-2 will become a matter of principle!
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 15 May 2020 19: 06 New
    -2
    "in December 2019, the United States imposed sanctions against companies involved in the construction of the pipeline. They include a ban on the entry into the United States and the freezing of assets in the United States of persons involved in the" sale, lease, provision or assistance in the provision of "vessels for laying at sea Russian pipelines at a depth of 30 meters. © "

    The calm question is: why should anyone be afraid of such a terrible thing?
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 19: 20 New
      -2
      Quote: paco.soto
      The calm question is: why should anyone be afraid of such a terrible thing?

      To the owners of Gazprom. The fact that they will squeeze accounts with "back-breaking labor".
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 15 May 2020 19: 24 New
        -2
        Laughing: Alf, I’m sure that the owners will suffer the least and their accounts with the acquired ones, we argue ?!
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 May 2020 19: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: paco.soto
          Laughing: Alf, I’m sure that the owners will suffer the least and their accounts with the acquired ones, we argue ?!

          Why argue with the obvious? No, some part of the dough There Gazprom owners will lose, the US financial authorities do not eat bread for nothing. But ... screams will begin here. And the treasury of Russia will once again compensate all the losses, but ordinary people will compensate these losses to the treasury.
          1. paco.soto
            paco.soto 15 May 2020 21: 23 New
            -1
            "Why argue with the obvious? ©"
            Alf, I’m also sad.
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 15 May 2020 19: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Sure?

    Proved by Eun.
  • Graz
    Graz 15 May 2020 19: 10 New
    -3
    If Gazprom uses the Akademik Chersky vessel to complete construction, the US President is required to impose sanctions
    ___________________________________
    And the Russian president must defend the country's interests with nuclear weapons. I would have fallen where closer to the Anglo-Saxons
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 19: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: Graz
      And the Russian president must defend the country's interests with nuclear weapons.

  • evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 15 May 2020 19: 11 New
    +2
    It’s already forgotten, and at the end of the 90s the Russian elite fantasized in epic tones: “How will we become,” the bourgeoisie “, and how we will cuddle with our foreign class brothers! How they will feel our heroic strength! And ,, flow, ,, ... ,, A certain time has passed. With ,, silushka ,, tension. And, flow, not those
  • cdrt
    cdrt 15 May 2020 19: 56 New
    +3
    Adopt a law on compensation for losses incurred by Russian companies due to sanctions at the expense of dividends sent to the ultimate American owners of companies doing business in the Russian Federation
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 May 2020 20: 33 New
      -2
      Quote: cdrt
      Adopt a law on damages in response,

      Will United Russia pass this law?