For PLA and for export: Type 15 medium tank


Tank "Type 15" with a complete set of mounted modules. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com


In recent years, a curious trend has been observed in the field of tank building: projects of medium weight tanks with a minimum price and the highest possible characteristics for it. Another example of this kind was the Chinese “Type 15” / ZTQ-15. He has already gone into the series, and with his help, the obsolete medium and light tanks are being replaced.

New development


The design of the new medium tank was carried out by NORINCO Corporation approximately in the middle of the tenths. In 2018, the first unofficial photos of experimental or serial equipment appeared. At the end of the same year, an official announcement appeared about the launch of production and the beginning of service. On October 1, 2019, Type 15 tanks took part in a parade on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the PRC.

As reported, the "Type 15" is designed for use in difficult conditions of a mountain, forest or other terrain, where heavier main tanks cannot work. As such, the ZTQ-15 should occupy an empty niche in which the Type 62 tank was previously located and which is now temporarily occupied by armored vehicles of other classes.

On the basis of “Type 15”, the VT5 export project has been created. This version of the tank has some differences from the base and is intended only for foreign customers. Despite the recent entry into the market, VT5 has already become the subject of an export contract, and new similar agreements are expected.

design Features


“Type 15” is a traditional-style combat vehicle with modular armor, cannon-machine gun weapons and a developed set of on-board equipment. The combat weight, depending on the configuration, varies from 33 to 36 tons. Provided high mobility in different areas.


Tank without hinged protection. Photo Armyrecognition.com

The tank has a welded hull and a tower of rolled armor, which protects against bullets and small-caliber shells. Frontal and side projections can be supplemented with mounted modules, screens and dynamic protection, which increase the overall durability. In this configuration, the tank is protected from shells of larger caliber and rocket-propelled anti-tank grenades.

The machine is equipped with a feed power unit with a diesel power of 1000 hp. and automatic transmission. Even at maximum weight, the specific power reaches 27,7 hp / t. The chassis is built on the basis of hydropneumatic controlled suspension. The tank is capable of speeds up to 70 km / h. Provides high mobility in different landscapes, up to the mountain.

The main armament of the tank is a rifled 105-mm gun, coupled with an automatic loader. Ammunition - 38 unitary shots in the mechanized laying of the stern of the tower. Apparently, the artillery system of the tank is a Chinese copy of the British L7 complex. There is a coaxial rifle machine gun and a remotely controlled module with a large-caliber W85. Smoke grenade launchers are installed on the sides of the tower.

A modern digital fire control system was used, including combined optical devices of the commander and gunner, ensuring work at any time of the day. The maximum possible situational awareness of the crew is achieved, including taking into account the specifics of work in difficult terrain.

For PLA and for export: Type 15 medium tank

Tank without additional protection and screens. Photo Defense-blog.com

The crew of the "Type 15" includes three people. The driver is placed in the control compartment, the commander and gunner work in the tower, to the left and to the right of the gun, respectively. All crew members have their own hatches and viewing devices.

In its dimensions, the average ZTQ-15 almost does not differ from other equipment of its class. The length of the tank with the gun forward is 9,2 m with a maximum width (with side screens) of 3,3 m. Height - 2,5 m.

Successful replacement


Earlier it was reported that the ZTQ-15 project is being developed to fill the niche of the “mountain tank”. Earlier in this capacity was used "Type 62", created in the early sixties. However, such a technique, despite all the modernization, has long been outdated, and its fate was predetermined. In 2013, the PLA wrote off its most recent Type 62. However, such tanks continue to serve in other countries.

Recall, “Type 62” was a revised and simplified version of the average “Type 59”. Due to the weakening of the armor, the installation of an 85-mm gun and other changes, the mass of the tank was brought to 21 tons and in some way improved driving performance. The resulting machine showed advantages over other tanks in the mountain, desert and other areas.


Export VT5 at the exhibition. Sinodefenceforum.com

"Type 62" initially showed very limited combat characteristics, which is why it quickly became outdated. Attempts were made to modernize by replacing some components, but the preservation of existing armor and weapons limited their results. However, the decision to abandon obsolete tanks was made quite late. The decommissioning process was completed only in 2013, and a few years later a modern replacement appeared.

According to recent reports, Type 15 can also be used as part of an ongoing replacement program for another obsolete model. The PLA is still armed with more than 1500 Type 59 medium tanks of various modifications, which are a development of the old Soviet T-54/55. Despite all the updates, this technique has long failed to meet modern requirements and is being written off. At least some of the compounds using Type 59 may receive new ZTQ-15s in the future.

The modern Type 15 tank compares favorably with the Type 62 and Type 59 tanks, at least for its novelty. The army receives new full-life armored vehicles built on the basis of modern technology, as well as taking into account the experience of operating older tanks. There are also advantages in the tactical, technical and operational characteristics.

China and not only


According to open sources, NORINCO Corporation has been continuing the serial production of Type 15 tanks for several years and is supplying finished equipment to the troops. Due to such supplies, the niche of the “mountain tank” was previously filled, and now the “field” medium tanks of the “Type 59” are being replaced. Over the next few years, this will lead to a major renewal of the fleet of armored vehicles.


VT5 from a different angle. Photo Sinodefenceforum.com

It should be recalled that the tanks "Type 59" and "Type 62" are in service not only in China. They are also exploited by a number of poor countries in Asia and Africa. Not all of these states want to continue to operate obsolete equipment. On the other hand, they do not have the financial ability to purchase advanced designs. NORINCO has developed the VT5 export project for this part of the market.

At the end of last year, China received its first order for VT5 tanks. The first buyer was the army of Bangladesh. The contract provides for the supply of 44 cars over several years. New orders are expected from other countries.

Commercial success


In recent years, several countries have created a number of medium or light-weight tanks with a limited cost and the highest possible tactical and technical characteristics. For some time now China joined this direction, the army of which needs a similar technique.

For various reasons, both organizational and financial, most of the "new medium" tanks do not advance beyond the tests and do not go into series. Chinese ZTQ-15 was more successful. This tank was created by order of the army, which predetermined its fate. The project did not have to look for a customer or fight with competitors. After the tests, he received approval and went into the series, and then found also a foreign buyer. All this allows us to talk about the commercial success of the project - at least against the background of other similar developments.
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  1. Old tanker 18 May 2020 06: 46 New
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    A good budget car for poor but fairly developed countries. For the poor developing countries, the good old simple and reliable T-55/54 and T-62 are still in demand. Since they are still used as moving firing points
  2. Nikolaevich I 18 May 2020 08: 19 New
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    So ... what remains to Russia? Develop "Octopus" or "Kurganets-25" to a medium tank? Or will there be others suggestions?
    1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 08: 34 New
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      As a "mountain tank"?
      Better to develop a "vein." Adding more advanced active protection.
      1. Nikolaevich I 18 May 2020 09: 00 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Better to develop a "vein"

        It is hardly possible ... and advisable! If the "Octopus-S" and "Kurganets" in "variations" are going to produce, then the "Vienna" has long been decided not to adopt ... Also ... 2A80 - more howitzer, mortar, than gun!
        1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 10: 46 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          long ago decided not to adopt ...

          It has been adopted and even purchased by the Moscow Region. In the amount of two pieces.

          I do not like Vienna, you can take the Lotus

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          2A80 - more howitzer, mortar, than gun!

          Flat trajectories are also available. Like mounted. What makes this type of machine more suitable for use in the mountains
          1. Nikolaevich I 18 May 2020 12: 34 New
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            Quote: Spade
            long ago decided not to adopt ...

            It has been adopted and even purchased by the Moscow Region. In the amount of two pieces.

            Well, here I "made a reservation" ... I meant that the "Vienna" has not been purchased for a long time and there are no (!) "Promises" to buy it from now on! In addition to the 2 experimental self-propelled guns acquired by the Defense Ministry at the beginning of the "zero" ... in 2010, an "installation" batch of 10 self-propelled guns "Vienna" was adopted ... A batch of 2016 self-propelled guns was purchased in 18 by Azerbaijan .. But I can’t remember whether this "party" is in the arsenal of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces! So far, so far, and the whole "history" of Vienna has been!
            Quote: Spade
            2A80 - more howitzer, mortar, than gun!

            Flat trajectories are also available. Like mounted. What makes this type of machine more suitable for use in the mountains

            About the "accessibility" of the flat trajectories I am "on the heels" ... But the practical use of the "single" 2A51 / 2A80 guns is "chronized", mainly by the use of mounted trajectories and the corresponding ammunition!
            1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 13: 54 New
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              I meant that “Vienna” has not been purchased for a long time and there are no (!) “Promises” to buy it from now on!

              Save ...
              Artillerymen for battalion artillery women still give birth. Therefore, it stuck with us in the thirties of the last century.

              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              But the practical use of the “unified” 2A51 / 2A80 guns is “chronized”, mainly by the use of mounted trajectories and the corresponding ammunition!

              Savings too.
              Cast iron, in the best case, trotyl as explosives ... low efficiency. but cheap.
            2. venik 18 May 2020 14: 48 New
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              In addition to the 2 experimental self-propelled guns acquired by the Defense Ministry at the beginning of the "zero" ... in 2010, an "installation" batch of 10 self-propelled guns "Vienna" was adopted ... It was purchased in 2016.

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              Instead of the 2C31 Vienna, which was considered too expensive, the Moscow Region decided to convert a certain amount of 2C1 Gvozdiki to the 2C34 Host level, replacing the 2A31 gun with a 2A80-1 semi-automatic gun, introducing a number of 2C31 Vienna veins, 2C23 Nona components -SVK ". At the same time, a complete set of firing control devices (similar to 2C31) is installed only on the command vehicle, which transfers data to other battery machines. It turned out pretty cheaply - at the prices of 2012 - the cost of refitting one machine - approx. 22 million rubles request
              1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 17: 36 New
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                Quote: venik
                It turned out pretty cheaply - at the prices of 2012 - the cost of refitting one machine - approx. 22 million rubles

                Still, they considered it too expensive an option, and the "Host" only a few batteries
                They even saved on the armor of the transport car for Sanya.
                1. Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 01: 02 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Still, they considered it too expensive an option, and the "Host" only a few batteries

                  Deliveries of the Hosts did not “develop” for another reason, which I was once able to read about ... During the military operation of the “installation” party, the Host revealed flaws that either could not be eliminated or did not want to ... It seems to be like, during the shooting of the "Host" swayed a lot!
                  1. Lopatov 19 May 2020 08: 17 New
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                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    It seems to be like, during the shooting of the "Host" swayed a lot!

                    This is unlikely. Still, the D-30 is a more powerful weapon.

                    Apparently someone mixed up the "Host" and "Non-ICS." Here is the last one really messed up. It didn’t just swing, it “crawled away” in Chechnya during firing on wet soils, and they had to regularly reorient and build a parallel fan.
                    1. Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 09: 48 New
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                      Quote: Spade
                      This is unlikely. Still, the D-30 is a more powerful weapon.

                      Yes, I’m also wondering now ... I’ll have to try to find that article ...
                    2. Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 14: 46 New
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                      Found "that little article" ... Great hopes were pinned on the new self-propelled gun. Nevertheless, during the military tests, some serious shortcomings of the resulting machine were revealed. The main ones were associated with the chassis used. According to the domestic press, the new self-propelled gun during the tests showed insufficient stability and rate of fire. So, due to the use of the old chassis, which was developed without taking into account the features of the new weapon, the Khosta Joint-Stock Company was swinging during firing with high elevation angles, which affected the accuracy of the fire. Similar problems were mainly observed when shooting in the “mortar” mode, since the recoil in this case is higher and has its own specifics of distribution over the machine’s units.
                      The lack of stability of the chassis also affected the rate of fire. It was reported that due to the identified problems, the Ministry of Defense did not plan to purchase new 2C34 self-propelled guns. As a solution to the problem, the development of a new version of the machine based on a different chassis, providing the required stability during firing, was called. Nevertheless, as far as is known, the Hosts option on the new chassis has not yet been created.
                      Yo mine! I did not immediately notice that this was the opus of Ryabov Kirill ... it seems to be like, once published on VO! Based on "motives" of several articles from sources specializing in military subjects .... request
      2. Vladimir_2U 18 May 2020 19: 24 New
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        Modern active protection will not save from small-caliber, and most likely from more and more relevant medium-caliber AP shells, and here booking a medium tank is an option, but there is no bullet-mounted self-propelled guns.
        1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 20: 15 New
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          and there is no bulletproof self-propelled gun

          And what prevents the gun from being mounted on a more secure chassis? Given that in a family of at least four different self-propelled guns with this gun
          1. Vladimir_2U 18 May 2020 20: 16 New
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            Quote: Spade
            And what prevents the gun from being mounted on a more secure chassis?

            Nothing at all, but it will be a different machine, and with limited capabilities to combat tanks.
            1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 21: 28 New
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              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              but it will be another car

              Naturally.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              and with limited capabilities to combat tanks.

              Having a cumulative shell and “Kitol” in the BC? And with the possibility of guidance of these same "Kitolov". Plus, you can make “Kitolov” with a cumulative warhead, as far as I know, the Poles are already doing this. Having received technology from the “non-brothers”
              1. Vladimir_2U 19 May 2020 02: 44 New
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                Quote: Spade
                BC cumulative shell and "Kitolov"
                Let me remind you of the "advanced KAZ". ))) KS is not fast enough and resistant even for modern KAZ, and Kitolov and analogues have no GOS and are easily neutralized even by smoke, and even with a caliber of 120 mm. But in general, if you are not afraid of tanks, then a good car will turn out, the right one.
                1. Lopatov 19 May 2020 08: 12 New
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                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  and Kitolov and analogues do not have GOS

                  ??
                  This is a guided projectile with a laser semi-active seeker.

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  and easily neutralized even by smoke

                  In the mountains, such a neutralization will have little effect due to limited mobility. That is, the armored object will be at least immobilized and lose KAZ / KOEP
                  1. Vladimir_2U 19 May 2020 14: 03 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    with semi-active laser seeker
                    That's right, I meant that Kitolov can’t independently induce itself and requires external illumination
                    Quote: Spade
                    In the mountains, such neutralization will have little effect due to the restriction of mobility.
                    It’s very controversial, because we are talking about a maximum of a caliber of 120 mm, and its power will also be reduced due to the GOS and controls, plus smoke is set when detecting backlight very fast, and even a shift of 10 m forward backward will lead to a miss.
    2. Hermit21 18 May 2020 10: 44 New
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      Who is worse - Octopus, richer - analogues on new platforms. Yes, and we will not interfere
      1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 10: 56 New
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        Quote: Hermit21
        Who is worse - Octopus, richer - analogues on new platforms.

        Rather the opposite.
        Octopus is a very expensive toy
        1. Hermit21 18 May 2020 12: 46 New
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          Come on, very dear. Rosoboronexport offers SDM1 to customers
          1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 13: 38 New
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            Very expensive, because it drops.
            1. Hermit21 18 May 2020 14: 01 New
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              Actually, we are talking about SDM1, and he, like, is not parachuting
              1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 14: 30 New
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                Quote: Hermit21
                Actually, we are talking about SDM1, and he, like, is not parachuting

                It does not have a variable clearance?
                Does it have more weight due to the use of cheaper armor?
                1. Hermit21 18 May 2020 14: 42 New
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                  Hmm, I always thought that he had removed the hydraulic suspension. In any case, you can always refuse both the first and the aluminum armor. In fact, they are already doing this, making a light tank with enhanced armor and a chassis from the BMP-3. Moreover, 99,9% of customers do not need the option of parachute landing and for nothing
                  1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 14: 50 New
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                    Quote: Hermit21
                    and from aluminum armor.

                    It will be a completely different car.
                    1. Hermit21 18 May 2020 15: 21 New
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                      Will not be. Weighting by several hundred kg - a ton will not fundamentally change anything. It will be worse to swim, except. And there may be several options with strengthening the reservation. The use of aluminum and steel in different places of the case, additional hinged protection, similar to that of "Kurganets", DZ for light equipment.

                      As a result, you can get a light amphibious tank with a full-fledged tank guns and SLAs, and are 1,5-2 times lighter than competitors. Only the American Griffin II can compare with it, which has at least a normal 120-mm smoothbore gun, and not a 105-mm rifled squalor, like most analogues
                      1. Lopatov 18 May 2020 17: 28 New
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                        Quote: Hermit21
                        Weighting by several hundred kg per ton

                        Yes, more.
                        Compare the weight of actually classmates BMP-3 and BMD-4
                      2. Hermit21 18 May 2020 18: 10 New
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                        BMP-3 is longer than a meter, slightly higher and wider. Plus more volume and the combination of aluminum and steel in the reservation. If it’s roughly estimated, the steel or steel Octopus is unlikely to go beyond 25 tons, even with additional protection
                      3. Lopatov 18 May 2020 18: 16 New
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                        Quote: Hermit21
                        unlikely to go beyond 25 tons

                        From 18 to 25
                        It is unlikely that this can be done without replacing the engine, gearbox and so on.
                        That is, in fact, a new car
  • Doccor18 18 May 2020 13: 17 New
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    Fighting the Chinese in price is futile. One thing remains - quality, at a not very high cost. T-72B3 2016, with good advertising, would quite go around the world.
  • Bad_gr 18 May 2020 23: 45 New
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    I tried to figure out how many types of tanks are in service with China - I got confused.
    At one time we had three, and that’s almost the reason for the collapse of the country. They hang it, but in China, it seems, they don’t even suspect that a bunch of types of tanks are in service with the Army at the same time, that's bad.
  • spectr 18 May 2020 09: 29 New
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    Interestingly, all these trends in the mass development of medium and light vehicles - this is the beginning of the end of the era of tanks? As once the cannons buried the heavy cavalry, now an RPG fighter will bury the tanks. And at the cost of training and maintenance, a fighter with an RPG will be cheaper.
    1. Hermit21 18 May 2020 10: 51 New
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      No, not the beginning of the end. Tanks have been burying for 60 years, attack helicopters, attack aircraft, ATGMs, and grenade launchers have been assigned their "killers", but they still do not want to leave the battlefield. And they won’t leave as much time
      1. spectr 18 May 2020 14: 39 New
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        There are many prerequisites, there is no alternative. In addition to technology, it is necessary to change the tactics of warfare. If they are able to introduce a network-centric approach into the army, then the requirements for mobility and power reserve may begin to outweigh the security. Perhaps even in this case, wheeled vehicles will begin to displace tracked vehicles. Its insignificant amount will remain for solving problems in specific areas.
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          Quote: spectr
          If they are able to introduce a network-centric approach into the army, then the requirements for mobility and range of power may begin to outweigh the security

          ??
          One is not connected with the other
    2. Lopatov 18 May 2020 10: 54 New
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      Quote: spectr
      As once the cannons buried the heavy cavalry, now an RPG fighter will bury the tanks.

      It's not about efficiency, it's about cost.
      They want to save.
      Even at the expense of the lives of servicemen.
      1. Narak-zempo 18 May 2020 11: 43 New
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        Even at the expense of the lives of servicemen.

        So the Chinese are cheap, and different Papuans are even cheaper, almost for nothing.
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      5-9 18 May 2020 11: 58 New
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      A fighter with an RPG who knocked out a tank (MBT) must be given the largest and most brilliant medal in the country, and irrevocably knocked out 3 of these medals!
      In Chechnya, the T-72, which received 3-5-7 penetrations (penetrations, not hits !!!) and left on their own from the battlefield, is a common thing. The most epic case - 23 hits, 11 penetrations, the tank crawled out of the ambush in reverse, it seems that even the dead were not injured.
    4. Usher 18 May 2020 12: 54 New
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      Quote: spectr
      Interestingly, all these trends in the mass development of medium and light vehicles - this is the beginning of the end of the era of tanks? As once the cannons buried the heavy cavalry, now an RPG fighter will bury the tanks. And at the cost of training and maintenance, a fighter with an RPG will be cheaper.

      You are 60 years late with such conclusions. Nothing will bury the tank. RPGs and ATGMs are not always at hand. RPGs in general now can do little to modern MBT. And with small arms to any tank or BMP, you will not do anything.
    5. Blackgrifon 18 May 2020 19: 48 New
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      Quote: spectr
      Interestingly, all these trends in the mass development of medium and light technology

      No. It’s just savings on the one hand (modern MBT is a very expensive pleasure), and on the other hand an increase in the level of mechanization of troops and a response to challenges (no one is fighting on the fronts, the rear and communications have become even more vulnerable + increased firepower and security of infantry and light infantry formations).
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    5-9 18 May 2020 11: 55 New
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    And how much cheaper will it be than a normal MBT? Now BIUS takes a significant share in the price of the tank.
    Why would a poor country have it, if you can buy a T-72 (of which darkness and darkness in the world), modernize it a little and it will tear this Type15 to shreds, and will there be money left?

    Unless it is needed as a mountain ... for threes with India.
  • Bersaglieri 18 May 2020 12: 00 New
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    The "Octopus", modernized, "covers it like a bull to a sheep" in equipment, but: it loses in armor protection (without KAZ)
    1. Hermit21 18 May 2020 12: 49 New
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      A new light amphibious tank is being developed in Russia on the basis of the Sprut-SDM1 airborne self-propelled anti-tank gun. This was announced by TASS in the framework of the Army 2019 forum, the chief designer of SKBM JSC (part of the High Precision Complexes holding) Sergey Abdulov.

      "Work is underway to create on the basis of" Octopus-SDM1 "a lightweight non-airborne, but amphibious tank. The new machine will receive enhanced protection and a different chassis compared to the Octopus - a torsion bar suspension from BMP-3 will be used, which is more reliable and less whimsical than the hydropneumatic one of the Octopus, "he said. The designer added that" the weapon on the machine will remain the same. "
    2. Blackgrifon 18 May 2020 19: 51 New
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      And not only KAZ - its armor is not designed for 12,7 mm (the main armament of all kinds of mraps, etc. light armored personnel carriers), not to mention 23-35 mm artillery.
  • Usher 18 May 2020 12: 52 New
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    I do not understand why these tanks? Even Leo2A4 showed their poor security, and this is just a target with a gun. Hydropneumatic suspension and affordable price? How do these concepts fit together? I would rather have a conventional torsion bar suspension but the gunner and commander had a thermal imager than an unreliable and expensive suspension.
  • Viktor Sergeev 18 May 2020 13: 58 New
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    Tank for the poor. I don’t understand, but what will allow him to act where the main tank cannot?
    1. Blackgrifon 18 May 2020 19: 52 New
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      I don’t understand, but what will allow him to act where the main tank cannot?

      Weight. Plus, not so many countries now have really numerous and modern tank parks.
  • Sarkazm 18 May 2020 20: 12 New
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    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    ... A batch of 2016 self-propelled guns was purchased by Azerbaijan in 18 ... but I can’t remember if this "party" is in service with the Azerbaijani Armed Forces! So far, so far, the whole "story" of Vienna has been!
    Something dark is happening with them, the local Moscow region loves to show new equipment, etc., many videos of artillery exercises, they shoot all self-propelled guns in the exercises of Peony, Msta, Acacia, Carnation, and Dan, but Vienna is not visible, just flashed on the platform and that's it:

    One gets the feeling that Vienna is precisely the weapon because of which we butted, deliveries were stopped, etc., we said that they had delayed payments, they said the quality was lame and blah blah. So, I won’t be surprised if the self-propelled guns previously delivered to Azerbaijan are Vienna, now we have everything ... All the more, I repeat, the Caucasian mentality paAAAnim, everyone is drawn, and Vienna has caught a cold, plus these recent acquisitions suggest such thoughts:
  • ben.reis 29 June 2020 11: 00 New
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    Medium tanks are not for the war of superpowers. But for wimps or terrorists