When Tito left. Inheritance and heirs of the owner of Yugoslavia


Rivers of blood and ... drops of honor



Today it is believed that the collapse of Yugoslavia, which took place 10 years after death Marshal Titowas directly due to the impossibility of the coexistence of all federal republics in a single country. Allegedly, all of them together pronounced a collective “sentence” of united Yugoslavia. But the experience of the deliberate split of a strong power, tested in the SFRY, then it was by no means accidentally used for the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It is also believed that the "divorce" among the Yugoslavs was universally bloody. But such dubious postulates are, to put it mildly, a hyperbole. Today, few will remember how quietly Slovenia left the federation, how Macedonia managed to manage without violent clashes. The Montenegrins actually actually stayed in their mountains, although they were terribly crushed from Belgrade, and beautiful Dubrovnik was ablaze very close by.

When Tito left. Inheritance and heirs of the owner of Yugoslavia

Lazar Moisov. They even listened to him at the UN

First, we give the point of view of the Macedonian Lazar Moisov (1920-2011). He was far from the last politician of the last years of Yugoslavia - the Minister of Foreign Affairs and a member of the Presidium of the SFRY from Macedonia, and even de jure President of Yugoslavia - the head of the Presidium of the SFRY in 1987-1988.

They prepared and accelerated the collapse of the SFRY, hiding behind ostentatious "titoism", leading from the mid-70s policies of the republics, which were alien to the ideology of the community of Slavic peoples of Yugoslavia. For well-known reasons, the ideology of Yugoslav unity was supported by the Croat, but the creator of post-war Yugoslavia, Marshal Tito. Such an ideology was adhered to in the Orthodox Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro, but not in other religions of Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

The politician quite reasonably believed that the situation exacerbated

and the blurring of the centralized functions of the SFRY initiated by Tito as opposed to maximum centralization in the USSR ... These destabilizing factors, due to their phased stimulation by the West and the weakening of the governing prerogatives of Tito and Protitovites in the last 5-6 years of his life, led the country to collapse. What influenced the fleeting collapse of the USSR.

Moisov noted that the Yugoslav collapse turned out to be really bloody

precisely where the pro-Orthodox ideology of Yugoslav unity was actively rejected: in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Accelerated the collapse of the country and the vast territory of centrifugal and West-supported Croatia, which included almost all ports and other communications of a single country.

The position of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro, as well as the close position of Slovenia in favor of Yugoslav unity, could no longer change the situation. Moreover, years later, the most severe consequences of the collapse of Yugoslavia became characteristic of the Orthodox Serbia, the Serbian regions of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia. Meanwhile, the notorious Hague Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia immediately took the position of a very dubious anti-Orthodox, anti-Serb and generally anti-Yugoslav legal priority.

The Hague Tribunal has become a kind of propaganda brand in the West, and, as noted by the famous Russian Balkanist Alexei Dedkov,

Among the accused in The Hague were almost the entire military and civilian leadership of the Serbs, including ex-presidents, members of the government, chiefs of the general staff, senior military leaders, heads of law enforcement agencies and special services. But from other nations, the accused were most often the soldiers, rarely officers, and even more so representatives of senior management.


Who has a Macedonian accent


Macedonia was chosen as the stone from which the Yugoslav masonry was supposed to begin to pour. At the same time, nobody was interested in the fact that Greece opposed the isolation of Northern Macedonia from the FPRY-SFRY. There, not without reason, they have long feared almost traditional claims to this part of Macedonia by adherents of the idea of ​​"Great Bulgaria". Northern Macedonia was always preferable to Athens as part of Yugoslavia than under the control of Sofia.

Already in the early 90s, the Greek Foreign Ministry offered its mediation in resolving the problems of Yugoslavia. There was an idea to also attract functionaries of the Balkan Pact, a political and economic association within Yugoslavia, Greece and Turkey, to resolve the crisis.

However, the "last" Yugoslav authorities were confident in their capacity to preserve the federation. In Turkey, they did not react to the idea of ​​Athens at all. And the structures of the Balkan Pact, including the main ones - the Council of Prime Ministers and the Council of Foreign Ministers - were by then only a decoration. They have not gathered together since the death of Tito.

Despite the fact that Greece was a member of NATO and the EU, “any of its authorities, especially the military, were prone to nationalist politics,” noted the long-standing general secretary of the Greek Communist Party, Kostas Koliyannis. The neighboring countries of Greece not only contributed to the non-aligned Yugoslavia, which remained outside of NATO, the EU and the Warsaw Pact, but also to Stalin's Albania.

"King of the Hellenes" - this was the official title of the kings of Greece, which was a monarchy with a short break until 1974. It is characteristic that, in connection with nationalist claims, the "black colonels" even probed the ground in Belgrade about the connection of Greece to the Non-Aligned Movement.

In the framework of such a policy, Greece did not object to the proclamation of Macedonia as a union republic in 1945 as part of Yugoslavia. Until the collapse of Yugoslavia, the position of Athens did not change. But when the ex-Yugoslav republics rushed to the EU, and then to NATO, the Greek authorities began to demand a change in the name of Macedonia, which its leaders objected to.

In Greece, as Kiro Gligorov noted,

for obvious reasons, they did not want not only the collapse of Yugoslavia, but also that the northern Greek border would become controlled by Brussels. For this reason, a mutual political game has been going on around Greece’s “intransigence” about the name of Macedonia and the objections of Athens to its participation in the EU and NATO with the same name.



Kiro Gligorov. President of Macedonia forced to resign

But, in his opinion, in fact, the West is annoyed by the mention of even the former but united Yugoslavia in the official name of Macedonia: “The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”. Western politicians

advised us to remove the reminder of ex-Yugoslavia, but to no avail. For a long time, our position was in the hands of Greece.


Trust, but ... separate


The West did not initially trust independent Macedonia. First of all, because its first president, Kiro Gligorov, actively advocated the confederate reorganization of the former SFRY, against the NATO bombing of Serbia and the separation of Kosovo from it. Moreover, he stated that

regardless of whether Yugoslavia exists, we are all Yugoslavians. Therefore, we must understand each other and strive for consolidation.

Already in the mid-90s, a series of assassination attempts against Gligorov and unprecedented propaganda persecution began. This deprived him of his presidency at the end of November 1999. But even being retired, Kiro Gligorov did not change his position, regularly declaring them in local and foreign media.

Close political and economic interaction with Russia could alienate Macedonia from NATO and the EU, for which both Kiro Gligorov and the Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevsky advocated. The latter during his visit to the Russian Federation (2012) proposed the creation of a political and economic “chain” Montenegro - Serbia - Macedonia - Russia with the creation of a free trade zone of Macedonia with the Eurasian Union (with the Serbia the EAEU has existed since the beginning of the 2000s).


Nikola Gruevsky, pro-Russian prime minister of Macedonia

The energetic prime minister also proposed to implement, with Russian assistance, a unique strategic project as far back as the mid-70s - the construction of the Danube - Aegean Sea shipping channel. On the route Belgrade - Skopje on the Vardar River - the port of Thessaloniki in northern Greece, ships of the "river - sea" class could go.

This ambitious project that can significantly change the economic map of the Balkans is still supported by Serbia. Gruevsky presented the project at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Russia in the summer of 2012, but Russian business and political circles ignored it.

Gruevsky followed in the footsteps of Slovenian President Milan Kuchan and the same Kiro Gligorov, advocating economic cooperation between the countries of ex-Yugoslavia and also putting forward the idea of ​​a renewed Yugoslav confederation. It is interesting that here Moscow demonstratively remained "neutral." So it turns out that Russia has lost an important potential ally in the Balkans.

One cannot but recall that the very idea of ​​a canal to Thessaloniki is by no means new: it was worn in Vienna even before the First World War, which became one of the incentives for the expansion of Austria-Hungary in the Balkans. Before the next world war, the project was seriously interested in the Italian Duce and the German Fuhrer.

However, Marshal Tito was the first to take him seriously. It was enough for him to persuade only the Greeks, However, the owner of Yugoslavia first announced the project at negotiations in Belgrade with German Vice Chancellor E. Mende. Focusing on German industrial potential, the idea was soon supported by the Greek military junta and the international Danube Commission (see "How the Danube flows into the North Sea, and the Rhine - into the Black").

By the way, the project was beneficial to the USSR, because it allowed to reduce dependence on the Black Sea Straits controlled by Turkey. At the same time, on the one hand, Western assistance in the implementation of such a project would strengthen the political and economic relations of the SFRY with the West, which are already almost allied. But on the other hand, Yugoslavia would advance to the first roles in Southeast Europe and especially in the Balkans. Moreover, in a "bundle" with the nationalist Greek junta.


Black colonels, forgotten "masters" of Greece

This, of course, could weaken the political partnership with Yugoslavia long debugged by the West, in which it was not Belgrade that always played the part of the first violin. Therefore, the West preferred red tape rather than help in building such a canal, realizing that Belgrade, together with Athens, could not master such a technologically complex and high-cost project (over $ 7 billion in mid-70s prices).

Western promises to promote the creation of such a highway were repeated annually, but no more. Meanwhile, I. B. Tito preferred to listen to these promises rather than address Moscow requests for the creation of a Trans-Balkan canal. Marshall had no doubt that Soviet assistance in this project would only strengthen Soviet pressure on the SFRY on foreign policy issues. And de facto will involve the country in the Warsaw Pact.


Channel "dreams" so far remains a dream

Is it any wonder that as a result, a promising project is still a project. Only the transit annual revenues of Yugoslavia and Greece along this waterway could amount to 60-80 million dollars in the first three years of operation of the canal, and for 4–5 million dollars already in the 85th and 110th years. This is an estimate multilateral design team.

Such profits would surely enable Belgrade and Athens not only to pay off investors, but also to prevent the financial bankruptcy of Yugoslavia before the West by the end of the 80s. It is hardly worth doubting that it only accelerated the collapse of the SFRY.
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  1. Mavrikiy 16 May 2020 05: 25 New
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    Such an ideology was adhered to in the Orthodox Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro, but not in other religions of Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
    Like ours. Secretly fed the nationalism of the suburbs. angry
    1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 06: 37 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Secretly fed the nationalism of the suburbs

      States themselves do not fall apart, they are actively "helped", as in the case of the Union.
      1. Mavrikiy 16 May 2020 06: 41 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        States themselves do not fall apart

        Deep thought! You can deepen: If states fall apart, then someone needs it. (Saint-Exupery) repeat
        1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 06: 54 New
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          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Deep thought!
          If you praised me, then where is the plus sign? laughing
      2. qQQQ 16 May 2020 09: 15 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        States themselves do not fall apart, they are actively "helped", as in the case of the Union.

        States ripen for decay due to internal reasons. External influence is always there, if the elite is not rotten, then no “helpers” can do anything. And the USSR collapsed precisely because of internal circumstances, and the fact that they helped him, well, the work there "beyond the hill" is like that. And if you blame everything on external influences, then this will once again bring the country to collapse.
        1. TANKISTONE 21 May 2020 15: 36 New
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          qqqq May 16, 2020 09:15 "... if the elite is not rotten, then no" helpers "can do anything ..."
          The rotten elite cannot create a full-fledged state! A cancerous tumor is not able to create a living organism. It only parasitizes on the existing ....
          1. qQQQ 25 May 2020 08: 37 New
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            Quote: TANKISTONE
            The rotten elite cannot create a full-fledged state!

            And I don’t say that she can create it, it’s just because of some circumstances that it “breaks” into power, and there it’s already like a disease.
    2. Olgovich 16 May 2020 07: 36 New
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      Like ours. Secretly fed the nationalism of the suburbs

      Certainly.

      just not on the sly. but very loud: who became the banner, mouthpiece and guiding force of the USSR nationalism?

      Carefully nourished, nurtured and rewarded, created by the authorities themselves national intelligentsia-all these numerous so-called "writers. poets. artists, teachers with party tickets.

      Often, terry mediocrity and graphomaniacs, who became "writers" according to the order from the center : "to have such and such a number of writers. poets and singers" is a bleating goat. Kikabidze is a vivid example of this ..

      tried to educate the elite of the internationalists. and created in fact the elite ardent nationalist Russophobia.

      And there is nothing to be surprised, because the authorities themselves invented never existed..... "states" of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, etc. of Ukraine, you thought im ancient "history".
      in these fiction They believed that they had healed their lives and are now developing them right up to the great Sumeria. lol

      As for the collapse of the SFRY, it was the West, namely Europe, namely GERMANY, that played the MAJOR most infamous role: first they declared support for the unity and integrity of the country, and then. after the declaration of absolutely illegal independence by Croatia and BiH instantly recognizing them and sending mountains of weapons, advisers, etc.

      And the separatists were no longer Croats, Bosnians, but ..... Serbs, striving for unity.

      Few people know, but according to the Constitution of the SFRY, not republics were united, but NATIONS.

      Therefore, when the state was divided, the Serbs had to leave with their territories. And what did the West do? Serbs were expelled from their lands ....
      1. Olgovich 16 May 2020 07: 49 New
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        all these numerous so-called "writers. poets. artists, teachers with party tickets.

        for example, an ardent Romanian nationalist and Russophobe Soviet "writer" n. dabija himself wrote:
        "In November 1978 was adopted to the members of the CPSU. From 1975 to 1982 was Secretary of the Komsomol organization of the Union of Writers of the MSSR, at the VIII Congress of the Komsomol of Moldova was elected member of the Central Committee of the Komsomol MSSR.

        The author of poetic and journalistic collections published in Moldavian and Russian. The book “Okül al Trail” (Third Eye) was awarded in 1977 with the Prize of the Central Committee of the Young Communist League of Moldova.

        I am the chairman of the Commission for Work with Creative Youth under the Central Committee of the Komsomol of the Republic, a member of the revision committee of the Board of the Union of Writers of the USSR, member of the All-Union Commission on Poetry under the Union of Writers of the USSR, member of the Presidium of the Moldavian Committee of the Soviet Cultural Foundation, deputy chairman of the Moldovan Soviet-Vietnamese friendship committee, deputy of the Chisinau Council of People’s Deputies. He participated in the XII World Festival of Youth and Students in Moscow. Awarded the certificate of honor of the Central Committee of the Komsomol and the Central Committee of the Komsomol of Moldova "


        And after all they are ALL.
        1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 13: 46 New
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          Who is talking about Russophobes here, someone Olgych? Does Olgych really consider frankly false figures of the “Holodomor” counted by frank Russophobes as truth? Does Olgych support the Polish-Goebbels version of the Katyn case? It is Olgych. So who is Russophobe? The one who supports the "accusers" of Russia is a certain Olgovich.
          1. Olgovich 16 May 2020 15: 04 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Who is talking about Russophobes here, someone Olgych? Does Olgych really consider frankly false figures of the “Holodomor” counted by frank Russophobes as truth? Does Olgych support the Polish-Goebbels version of the Katyn case? It is Olgych

            Little Vovochka from the 2nd "U" -in a regular school would go to missed classes .... yes lol
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            So who Russophobe?

            they are your creatures. flesh from flesh YOUR and trained, created and educated by you- SOVIET poets and psatel.

            aforementioned, communist. member of the Central Committee of the Komsomol Dabizh: in
            MSSR "Russian wives on the instructions of the KGB, they married Moldovan chiefs so that those born Russian-born mankurts. mixed marriages lead to degeneration, the appearance of mentally disabled children, lazy people and drunkards»
            Hitler No, a member of the CPSU wrote.

            That's what YOU have trained and educated them:
            «If a Russian asks you for a piece of bread, give him a piece of dynamite...
            Russians live in our homes, command us, teach us how to live on our land ...
            Hey Russian, I'm tired of hearing your chatter about my release ...
            How much can you act to your own detriment only so as not to annoy the Russians? ..
            I am a bloody stain called Moldova, which, instead of burning the killer, tries to smile at him. ”
            is a verse of a member of the CPSU poet Vieru.



            Moldovan writers belong to Peru The Ten Commandments of the Bessarabian Romanian which read:
            “Do not rush to connect your fate with a man of another nation. Crossing improves only the breed of animals. A harm to the human race»

            You them "Mine Kampf taught. see ...

            And this is YOUR deputy USSR Armed Forces Larry, wrote:
            «Let me have my hands elbows in the blood but I will throw the occupiers, aliens and mankurts beyond the Dniester, I will throw them out of Transnistria, and you - the Romanians - are the real owners of this long-suffering land, get their houses, their apartments, along with their furniture ... We will make them speak Romanian, respect our language , our culture ... ".
            etc.

            Thank you dear . behind these YOUR "Russophiles," yes
            1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 15: 14 New
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              It’s pathetic to quote idiotic rhymes of all careerists who first clung to the CPSU, and then turned into nationalists, a lot of mind is not needed.
              But can Olgych be able to admit that he is for the figures of the "famine" deduced by the enemies of Russia that directly harm modern Russia? Yes or no?
              But will Olgych be able to admit that he supports the Polish-Nazi version of the Katyn case, directly harming modern Russia? Yes or no?
              1. Olgovich 16 May 2020 15: 29 New
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                It’s pathetic to quote idiotic rhymes of all careerists who first clung to the CPSU, and then turned into nationalists, a lot of mind is not needed.

                Not this YOU found them, chose them as poets, educated, taught and printed!

                and this is no exception, they are ALL there you were chosen!

                thank you, dear, they couldn’t even create such Romanians during the occupation, and you, yes!
                1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 15: 35 New
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                  The fact that Olgych is a stubborn anti-Soviet is okay, that olgych is a Russophobe to a normal person, because the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe, but Olgych also turns out to be a wet-wobble one, because there are no answers to these two direct questions.
                  But can Olgych be able to admit that he is for the figures of the "famine" deduced by the enemies of Russia that directly harm modern Russia? Yes or no?
                  But will Olgych be able to admit that he supports the Polish-Nazi version of the Katyn case, which directly harm modern Russia? Yes or no?
                  1. Olgovich 16 May 2020 15: 46 New
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                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    But can Olgych be able to admit that he is for the figures of the "famine" deduced by the enemies of Russia that directly harm modern Russia? Yes or no?
                    But will Olgych be able to admit that he supports the Polish-Nazi version of the Katyn case, which directly harm modern Russia? Yes or no?


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                    Vladimir_2U (Vladimir) Today, 15:14
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                    But can Olgych be able to admit that he is for the figures of the "famine" deduced by the enemies of Russia that directly harm modern Russia? Yes or no?
                    But will Olgych be able to admit that he supports the Polish-Nazi version of the Katyn case, directly harming modern Russia? Yes or no?

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                    Vladimir_2U (Vladimir) Today, 13: 46
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                    Who is talking about Russophobes here, someone Olgych? Does Olgych really consider frankly false figures of the “Holodomor” counted by frank Russophobes as truth? Does Olgych support the Polish-Goebbels version of the Katyn case?


                    Stuck, dear? belay lol
                    1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 15: 48 New
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Zaelo, dear
                      There is no answer anywhere, like I have no wet-tailed pigeons in my relatives.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Who is talking about Russophobes here, someone Olgych? Does Olgych really consider frankly false figures of the “Holodomor” counted by frank Russophobes as truth? Does Olgych support the Polish-Goebbels version of the Katyn case?
                      Zaelo, dear
                      The answer is where?
      2. Brancodd 17 May 2020 13: 46 New
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        Yes, I agree. The main role belonged to Germany. And it’s not at all the United States, as is customary to consider. Germany used the states as fools while it was possible.
        Germany pursued not only pragmatic goals about the restoration of Austria-Hungary under its control, with the control of Slovenia, Bosnia and the main prize - Croatia. But the second irrational goal was certainly present - to punish Serbia. For active resistance to the Reich.
        Maybe someone forgot, but Germany demanded in an ultimatum order from all European countries to recognize Croatia until the morning. Otherwise, Germany recognizes Croatia unilaterally.
        1. Olgovich 17 May 2020 16: 19 New
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          Quote: Brancodd
          Yes, I agree. The main role belonged to Germany. And it’s not at all the United States, as is customary to consider. Germany used the states as fools while it was possible.
          Germany pursued not only pragmatic goals about the restoration of Austria-Hungary under its control, with the control of Slovenia, Bosnia and the main prize - Croatia. But the second irrational goal was certainly present - to punish Serbia. For active resistance to the Reich.
          Maybe someone forgot, but Germany demanded in an ultimatum order from all European countries to recognize Croatia until the morning. Otherwise, Germany recognizes Croatia unilaterally.

          it's like that! hi
    3. knn54 16 May 2020 14: 02 New
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      - Russian business and political circles ignored him.
      2012g.
      -It is interesting that here Moscow demonstratively remained "neutral."
      2013g.
      A year later, Ukraine. Recognition of Poroshenko as the legitimate president.
      In general, "There is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the mug is crooked."
      ALL authors "modestly" hold back the role of the Vatican (Croatia and Slovenia) in the collapse of the SFRY.
    4. pytar 18 May 2020 12: 53 New
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      Sarajevo Romeo and Juliet and the brutality of the war.
      On this day, 27 years ago, on the run to death, Muslim Muslim Admira and Bosnian Serb Bosco are trying to escape from the convicted Serbian army of Sarajevo in order to start a new life.

      Bosco's father died, and his mother and brother left for Belgrade shortly before the start of the Bosnian war. He can leave Sarajevo and escape, but prefers to stay because of Admira - the love of his life. They have known each other since childhood, they studied chemistry at the university together. The chemistry of love between them also cannot be hidden. They are together for seven years, and nine months after the outbreak of war, live in a common house. However, Bosco decides that it would be better for them to escape from the horrors of the Bosnian war.

      On May 18, 1993, holding hands, they run across the Vrabanya bridge across the Milyack River. Bosco paid 18 marks so snipers would not notice them. A loving couple is trying to move to the district of Grbavitsa.

      Suddenly shots are heard. Bosco is beveled in place. Admira has a few more minutes of life. According to Dino, who witnessed their death, she finally crawled to him and hugged him. In his last minutes, Admira sees the dead Bosco and follows him where there is no war to separate them.



      Foreign correspondent Kurt Shork spreads footage of Muslim Admira and Christian Bosco and their latest hugs around the world. The media called them “Sarajevo Romeo and Juliet.” Both parties to the conflict refuse to take responsibility for the death of Admira and Bosco.

      Mother Bosko finds out about the death of her son two days later. Wallpapers of the warring countries refuse a truce, and their bodies lie for almost a week on the bridge in front of their parents.

      “This proves that the war is not between the Serbs and Muslims. The war is between crazy people, between monsters " - says the father of Admira, after no one allowed them to take the bodies of their children.

      The Serbian military forces the Bosnian prisoners of war to deliver the bodies to the locations of the Serbian unit, after which they were buried in a mass grave in Lukavitsa. In 1996, they were exhumed and placed next to each other in their city of Sarajevo.

      Radmila, Bosco's mother, says that for her her son and Admira are a symbol of peace, but they are not Romeo and Juliet, because no one ever forbade them to be together. The funeral of Bosco and Admira in Sarajevo gather several thousand people - not only relatives and friends, but also survivors of the horrors of war.

      The war in Bosnia claimed more than 100 lives. The massacre near Srebrenica is the largest massacre of people since the end of World War II in Europe. During the war, thousands of women in Bosnia were systematically raped and tortured.

      According to recent studies, of the 97 documented victims found (civilian and military), 207% are Bosniaks (Bosnian Mogamedans), followed by Serbs - 66%, Croats - 25%, other Albanians and others. Bosniaks are the most civilian victims (8%) compared with Serbs (83%) and Croats (10%). Most are children.
  2. Alex2 16 May 2020 09: 19 New
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    The author does not know how to use the Internet or deliberately lies about Slovenia. Yes, Slovenia was the very first to proclaim separation from Yugoslavia.
    The ten-day war, in Serbia it is better known as the War in Slovenia, while in Slovenia it is called the “War for the Independence of Slovenia” (Slovenian. Slovenska osamosvojitvena vojna) (June 27 - July 7, 1991) - a military conflict between the Yugoslav People’s Army (UNA) and the Territorial Defense Forces of Slovenia caused by the withdrawal of Slovenia from Yugoslavia. This armed conflict laid the foundation for the Yugoslav wars.
    On June 25, 1991, on the day of the unilateral declaration of independence of Slovenia from Yugoslavia, the Speaker of the Slovenian Parliament, Milan Kucan, ordered his armed forces to seize border points on the Slovenian section of the Yugoslav border and block the UNA barracks in Maribor and Ljubljana.
  3. Pvi1206 16 May 2020 10: 18 New
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    Artificially created formations do not exist for a long time ...
  4. alone 16 May 2020 10: 33 New
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    There is no Slavic union there .. If there was such a union, there were now 4 states, and not 6 .. Macedonia and Montenegro are already in NATO. And they recognized Kosovo as an independent state ..
    By the way ... The authors also recognized Kosovo in my opinion .. And so they put a map where it is shown as a separate state negative
  5. Artashes 16 May 2020 10: 51 New
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    WHO and WHAT dictated to the leaders of the republics in the USSR and the SFRY are well known. Because it was necessary to return Yugoslavia (geographic) to the borders of 1914, and Russia - to the borders earlier than even the 19th century. Which succeeded, but now the leaders of the newly formed pseudo-powers - for domestic consumption - are rattling their arms and playing patriotism. For the amusement of their true owners and for the need, the degrading Russian-speaking public is becoming ever stronger.
    Only in the closed collections of TASS and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs were the confederate ideas of Kuchan, Gligorov, Milosevic and some people reported. other politicians (Montenegro, Bosnia) - but in the USSR-RF, of course, they were silent about this. WHAT CAN I TALK ABOUT WHEN SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THE MONUMENT TO MARSHAL KONEVA ALMOST ALL THE TV CHANNELS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ADVERTISE THE CZECH BEER? WHEN DOCUMENTARY OR ART FILMS ON THE THEME OF 1941-45. FREQUENCY INTERRUPTED ... ADVERTISING INTIMACY ACCESSORIES, TOILET PAPERS, etc. "GOODS"? And this also does not warp the "Russian-speaking mass" ...
    In ex-Yugoslavia, Moscow is also interested in raw gas pipelines - even if for undetected burials of victims of the genocide ...
    One of the "realizers" of the collapse of the SFRY and the destruction of Serbian Krajina - F. Tujman, a former active communist (head of Croatia) - but (more precisely - for that?) Was awarded a medal to them. G.K.Zhukova. A very characteristic assessment of his work. Other ex-SFRY leaders - NON-separatist nominees - were less fortunate ...
    1. podymych 18 May 2020 09: 30 New
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      Some commentators here hear inspired praises addressed to the EU. And why is the EU not a confederation? We will not talk much here about how well the EU functionaries have shown and are showing themselves now, in a pandemic. The Swedes will fall in love with all the “uniform norms” and are absolutely right. Italy leaves the united
      The ideas of the Balkan Confederation are as old as the whole Balkan fractional independence since the liberation from the Turks. The United States is by and large a confederation. Empire as a supranational union under normal rule - CONFEDERATION. Otherwise, how do people of other nationalities live in "national" states?
      Tolstoy would be absolutely right when he used the old English aphorism: patriotism is the last refuge of a villain, but bearing in mind, of course, such patriotism that drove Europe into the First World War and then into the Second ...
      1. pytar 18 May 2020 13: 08 New
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        Some commentators here hear inspired praises addressed to the EU.

        There is a fact - the European Union is the most successful voluntary the friendship of European nations throughout history! Not without jambs, but there has been nothing better so far.
        And why is the EU not a confederation?

        Why a confederation? Although this is a good idea, maybe it will. fellow
        We will not talk much here about how well the EU functionaries have shown and are showing themselves now, in a pandemic. The Swedes will fall in love with all the “uniform norms” and are absolutely right. Italy leaves the united ...

        And then we all say so ... well, that is not much ... Well, speaking of the Swedes, the Italians (Brexit ?!), you essentially admit that the EU is a voluntary union! Nobody drags him into force, and everyone can wipe it if that ...
        Empire as a supranational union under normal rule - CONFEDERATION.

        Well, then the EU is not an empire!
        Otherwise, how do people of other nationalities live in "national" states?

        There are no problems with respect for civil rights and the rights of ethnic minorities. In addition to simplifying borders, the free movement of people, capital, make the most of the difference where you live and what your nationality is! After all, what was that in the USSR ?!
        Tolstoy would be absolutely right when he used the old English aphorism: patriotism is the last refuge of a villain, but bearing in mind, of course, such patriotism that drove Europe into the First World War and then into the Second ...

        Does this not apply to patriotic praises of the Russian Federation? Not patriotism, but chauvinism leads to wars!
  6. Jmbg 16 May 2020 11: 13 New
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    The Serbian empire collapsed because everyone hated it. Slovenes separated first. After them, the Croats. The Serbs responded with war. In Bosnia, it was scary, but they also separated from a decaying empire. Then the Macedonians separated. There, the Serbs did not dare to attack, because this would guarantee a war with Bulgaria. The Serbs are well aware that they always lost one on one with the Bulgarians. That is why there was no war in Macedonia. But the most interesting thing was when the Serbs themselves separated from the Serbian empire. Think of Montenegro. And so the core of the shitty imperialists remained, offended by everyone, suddenly remembering how much they loved Russia. Throughout the Cold War, the great half-century confrontation, they showed the middle finger of the USSR, played loose, but after receiving slaps in the face, their love for Russia suddenly broke out.
    1. Xnumx vis 16 May 2020 13: 48 New
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      There, the Serbs did not dare to attack, because this would guarantee a war with Bulgaria. The Serbs are well aware that they always lost one on one with the Bulgarians.

      Maybe the little brothers needed to support the existence of Yugoslavia, and not puff offended ...? All these small-town insults did not bring anyone to good ... A strong union of the SFRY and Bulgaria drinks could let them dominate the Balkans! Have a solid weight in Europe and the world .. That would probably be right. hi
      1. Jmbg 16 May 2020 13: 53 New
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        You cannot be an ally with someone who stole 1/3 of your territory. Will you be an ally of those who declare Russian identity a crime?
      2. pytar 16 May 2020 14: 58 New
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        Maybe the little brothers needed to support the existence of Yugoslavia, and not puff offended ...? All these small-town insults did not bring anyone to good ...

        Damn, half of my relatives live in Macedonia! Every third Bulgarian has relatives there! And my "Macedonian" relatives now speak in my native Bulgarian - we are "Macedonians", and you are Tatars !!!! That’s what the monstrous experiment carried out for half a century in this damned Yugoslavia led to! This does not say goodbye! Is it familiar to you in Ukraine ...?
        Leave Macedonia, look at Serbia! In the border areas, dug from Bulgaria, there is a large Bulgarian national minority! Every year they are becoming smaller, as the Serbian authorities pursue a strict policy of assimilation! During the Yugoslav wars, Bulgarian men were mobilized in the Serbian army! At that time, Serbian police and punishers were atrocious in their homes, in the villages and cities of the Western Outskirts, as we call these areas!
        A strong union of the SFRY and Bulgaria drinks, could allow them to dominate the Balkans!

        Dominate??? Again, someone wants to dominate? History has unequivocally proven that domination causes resistance and wars! Enough bloodshed on the Balkans! Tired of it! If you are friends with your neighbors, if you focus on your affairs in your own country, you can achieve prosperity! And then everyone will respect and reckon with you!
        There is a higher truth! Serbia stealing someone else’s, was punished and lost its own! I hope the Serbs understood the warnings given to them from Above! And if you do not heed, then the next punishment will be final ...
        1. Xnumx vis 16 May 2020 18: 22 New
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          All these small-town insults did not bring anyone to good ... You did not understand the main thing ... Having discarded past grievances, two Slavic countries Bulgaria and the SFRY could create a strong confederation of Slavs in the Balkans and in Europe! And now, that ... Nothing !!! Not the strongest and most advanced in economic terms, Bulgaria and pieces of the principalities of Yugoslavia ... In the former USSR we have the same thing ... Don’t get angry ..
          1. pytar 16 May 2020 19: 12 New
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            Discarding past grievances, two Slavic countries Bulgaria and the SFRY could create a strong confederation of Slavs in the Balkans and in Europe!

            These cut off my hands, and they say now - forget the insults, let's cuddle! fellow
            Yes, I can not cuddle with you, you first return my hands! sad
            1. Xnumx vis 16 May 2020 19: 15 New
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              It’s too late to embrace ..... The historical moment of exaltation of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia has gone down in history ... Now there are past grievances and claims ...
              1. pytar 16 May 2020 19: 28 New
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                The historical moment of the exaltation of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia is gone, in history ...

                Yuri, we Bulgarians absolutely do not need any exaltation! We have everything you need to eat! But Yugoslavia does not and will not be. I really want to believe that the Balkan peoples are wiser and will not choke on the tricks of various imperial instigators from outside! Only together in peace, good neighborliness and cooperation, we can succeed! There is an example - the European Union, the most successful voluntary the friendship of European nations throughout history!
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                  There is an example - the European Union, the most successful voluntary friendship of European peoples in history! [/ Quote]
                  Good luck! drinks [quote = pytar]
      3. Keyser soze 16 May 2020 16: 26 New
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        All these small-town insults did not bring anyone to good ...


        You're right! Forget that in 1944 they broke away Macedonia, Western Bulgaria, the Aegean Trakia and immediately support everything and everyone. laughing
        Rather, we will wait when the Serbs play out to the parking area of ​​the shopping center and accept their request to be returned to the mother of Bulgaria. And we are kicking Macedonia right now - either they admit that their history begins in 1944 and their Bulgarian language or will enter the EU in 250 years. If until then their Albanians will not be known, like the Serbs in Kosovo.

        Have a solid weight in Europe and the world ..


        But certainly UTB, neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation wanted to see in the Balkans. Therefore, your sixes in the Balkans are Serbs. We would have rolled all the Balkans, Greece and Romania into a thin pancake before the First World War and made a strong state, but we received an ultimatum from both the Republic of Ingushetia and from Austria-Hungary with the promise of war (if the Bulgarian army enters Constantinople ... it was 1913. )
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      4. Jmbg 16 May 2020 16: 33 New
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        My mother is from Macedonia, my father is from northern Bulgaria. I assure you, I am not a child of intermarriage.
  7. pytar 16 May 2020 12: 31 New
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    Yugoslavia was a project of France and Great Britain! Such is the multinational Balkan mini-empire! Her fate was a foregone conclusion! It is similar to most of the multinational empire! The substitution of ideology, the device, could not save her! It was a matter of time before the “staples” of this state sewn with white thread start to crack and cannot keep it intact!
    The Yugoslav wars were very bloody, mainly due to the mentality of the Balkan peoples, gathered in this strange formation!
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      Later, there was the Stalin project about mini-USSR in the Balkans in the form of the Balkan Federation (then they came up with the "Macedonian" nation along with the language). Good thing comrade Stalin changed his mind in 1949.
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    Anti-Soviet CeFeRU under the direction of “Marshal” Tito was doomed to collapse from the very beginning.
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    Nothing's over yet. This is just the beginning. And to all the "civilized Reich" in general, and to neighbors who make a fuss in particular, it still comes around
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      Nothing's over yet. This is just the beginning. And to all the "civilized Reich" in general, and to neighbors who make a fuss in particular, it still comes around

      Perhaps ... Someone to the East and the West, the EU is so pricked! A strong, democratic, united Europe is not in the interests of the "east-west." They are trying to shake the EU, I hope they do not have time.
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    There is an example - the European Union, the most successful voluntary friendship of European peoples in history!

    Earnestly. Our Bulgarian friend has found the usual paradigm of worshiping the next Reich. They believe that once again they were on the right side of the story. This side implies a contract according to which for feeding you are built into the new columns of the campaign to the east. While informational. In addition to feeding your vanity, a bonus is offered in the form of parts of the neighbor’s territory, which always opposed this Reich.
    Therefore, with a sense of deep satisfaction, our Bulgarian friend watched the depleted uranium ammunition used by the Serbs. Now she is watching with satisfaction the surge in oncology in these Serbian areas. The same feeling of deep satisfaction was experienced by our Bulgarian friend from the Serb genocide in the Croatian territories and in Bosnia. In principle, nothing new, everything is familiar to us in Ukraine.
    But our Bulgarian friend should understand that in any contract there are not only bonuses, but also risks. Did the old-new owners not tell you about the costs ?. It is likely that this time just changing sides at the right time will not work ...
    1. pytar 18 May 2020 15: 26 New
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      Earnestly. Our Bulgarian friend has found the usual paradigm of worshiping the next Reich.

      Dear Brancodd hi In the Reichs, countries were dragged by force. It was difficult to wipe from there without blood ... In the EU, no one is forcing anyone to go. And the exit is always open! I personally am very critical of the future of this structure, but I see many benefits for my country.
      Serbia is a candidate member. According to a survey conducted by the Bureau of Social Research in Belgrade, 45,5% of Serbs support their country's EU membership, while only 17,6% of respondents preferred joining the EAEU.
      They believe that once again they were on the right side of the story.

      No right or wrong country. There is no project capable of competing with the EU. I am Russophile, Bulgaria and Russia are one common cultural and historical space! And what do I see? The modern Russian Federation has taken the worst from the previous system, in addition to the worst from capitalism!
      This side implies a contract under which for feeding you are built into new columns of a campaign to the east ... In addition to feeding, your vanity is offered a bonus in the form of parts of the neighbor’s territory, which always opposed this Reich.

      A well-fed Europe will not go to war in Russia. Why not own the territories, and so the natural resources of the Russian Federation go to the West. For an expansionist aspiration to arise, another important factor is needed - the demographic boom! In Europe, and indeed in Russia, white race lurks ...
      Therefore, with a sense of deep satisfaction, our Bulgarian friend watched the depleted uranium ammunition used by the Serbs. Now she is watching with satisfaction the surge in oncology in these Serbian areas. The same feeling of deep satisfaction was experienced by our Bulgarian friend from the Serb genocide in the Croatian territories and in Bosnia.

      The depleted uranium ammunition was also in service with the Ross. army. Then they switched to tungsten - they are more efficient. I have many friends and even relatives in Serbia. I separate ordinary people from the criminal clique of Milosevic. I don’t know if you have been to Zap. The Balkans? I was there shortly after the war ended. I saw Vukovar, then it was still in ruins - the Croatian Stalingrad! I saw a lot of what the Serbian thugs did! He was in the pearl of the Adriatic, the historic city of Dubrovnik, shortly after the Serbian artillery bombarded him. The entire first Yugoslav war was fought on the territories of the BiH, Croatia and Slovenia! Most noted Serbs! NATO has stopped this massacre!
      In principle, nothing new, everything is familiar to us in Ukraine.

      Where, without mentioning Ukraine ...? I don’t know how it is, but what happened in the Balkans I know very well!
      But our Bulgarian friend should understand that in any contract there are not only bonuses, but also risks. Did the old-new owners not tell you about the costs ?. It is likely that this time just changing sides at the right time will not work ...

      All your namesake on an empty place. I don’t know why you decided that you better know what and how ?! There is nothing eternal, everything changes, life is so arranged. I wish my native Russia to be updated, healthier, and become worthy for the Great Russian People! good
      1. Brancodd 18 May 2020 17: 15 New
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        There is nothing eternal, everything changes, life is so arranged

        Well, let's see how life works on the example of Bulgaria "before and after" joining the "most successful association in the history of Europe" ...
        Population: 1987 - 9 million
        2020 - 7 million (Minus 25% !!!!)
        GDP versus Turkish
        1987 - 75% of Turkish GDP
        2020 - 6.7% of Turkish GDP (15 times less)

        As part of CMEA, Bulgaria had a developed electronic industry, machine tool industry, chemical, defense and pharmaceutical industries ...
        In the Reich, how?
        Already in our time, Russia has offered cooperation in the construction of Belene NPPs. Reich insisted on the refusal of Bulgaria from this project with the payment of a fine of 500 million EUR
        Instead of subsidies from Brussels, Russia offered Bulgaria the extremely beneficial South Stream. This is 1 billion EUR annually earned in transit money. And several thousand jobs. Berlin said to collapse. Turned ... The same thing, but in somewhat smaller volumes applies to the Burgas - Alexandropoulos pipeline.
        In 2023, subsidies from the EU single budget are halved ... They fed and will be ...
        1. pytar 18 May 2020 18: 48 New
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          Well, let's see how life works on the example of Bulgaria "before and after" joining the "most successful association in the history of Europe" ...

          Not in the subject, but let's see!
          Population: 1987 - 9 million; 2020 - 7 million (Minus 25% !!!!)

          1892/3 310 713 people / -1946 / 7 029 346 people /. For a period of 54 years. the population has more than doubled!
          1946/7 029 346 people / - 1992/8 487 317 people /. Over the 54 year period of socialism, the population increased from just 17%. The main gain was given by ethnic Turks and gypsies. Emigration after the 90s was the result of a "socialist paradise"!
          GDP compared with Turkish 1987 - 75% of Turkey's GDP, 2020 - 6.7% of Turkey's GDP (15 times less)

          Bulgaria's GDP by years:

          In Turkey, rapid growth began in the mid-90s. The country has never seen the experiments of socialism rushed forward. True, the Turks have sharply increased debts, in the moment they face bankruptcy. At the same time, Bulgaria rose to second place in the EU, for the lowest foreign debt to GDP!
          As part of CMEA, Bulgaria had a developed electronic industry, tank building, chemical, defense and pharmaceutical industries ... How is it in the Reich?

          As part of the pseudo-socialist Reich, the products of the Bulgarian economy were uncompetitive. Deficit reigned throughout the country! The People's Republic of Bulgaria went bankrupt 2 times! At the end of the 80s, external debts exceeded foreign exchange reserves by 10 times! 1991 declared a moratorium on debt payments, the treasury was empty! Today, Bulgaria has gold and foreign exchange reserves of $ 26,2 billion! The economy is stable, harmoniously developed, production is growing, exports are growing. In 2019, agriculture alone brought 5 billion euros! The export leader is industrial products, electrical engineering, and electronics.
          Already in our time, Russia has offered cooperation in the construction of Belene NPPs. Reich insisted on the refusal of Bulgaria from this project with the payment of a fine of 500 million EUR

          You quote Russian media that have nothing to do with reality! Therefore, you are not aware that in 2013 a referendum was held on the Belene NPP. Adherents of the construction were not able to collect the required interest. In 2018, after the expert decision of the BAN, the project was resumed and at the moment there is a tender for the construction of the central unit.
          Instead of subsidies from Brussels, Russia offered Bulgaria the extremely beneficial South Stream. This is 1 billion EUR annually earned in transit money. And several thousand jobs. Berlin said to collapse. Turned ...

          Tired to clarify and clarify what really is! Fair! UP without the consent of the EU / he is to the EU after all / would be a disaster for Bulgaria! Here they are building the Balkan Stream, it responds to our interests! And Germany said no to SP 2! What is so for Bulgaria and for Germany! There are EU rules adopted by all members of the organization!
          In 2023, subsidies from the EU single budget are halved ... They fed and will be ...

          Most of the rus-media and, accordingly, their readers, are very worried about what is happening with the subsidies! And so gloatingly hope that "here is the EU going bankrupt, there will be no subsidies, the Eastern Europeans will starve to death"! Guys, Eurodotations make up only 2,5-3% of eastern GDP. European countries! Sub help, but not decisive! Still funny, rus-media on one side insists that the EU is "robbing Eastern Europe", and on the other that it is "feeding"!
          At the end of my circumstantial comment, I’ll say something else: I spent enough time under socialism and democracy. Do not tell me how it was and is in Bulgaria. I know a lot better than you. hi
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    In the Reich, how? ...

    On Russian sites of ads for emigrating to Bulgaria - as many as you want. Obviously, the demand is great. On a Bulgarian site so far in my life I have not seen an advertisement for emigration to Russia. Like this...