In Bashkiria, a bust of Kolchak

A monument to one of the leaders of the White Movement, Alexander Kolchak, was erected near one of the shopping centers in Sterlitamak, located in Bashkiria. Its discovery was timed to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the shooting of the Admiral by the Bolsheviks on May 18, 1920.

This is reported by the newspaper. "AIF".

The monument to Kolchak is a copper bust. It was created by sculptor Alexey Dikunov from Voronezh at the expense of local businessman Tagir Ibragimov. The construction of the building, on the territory of which the monument to the admiral was erected, was also financed by him. As long as there is time before the grand opening of the monument, there is an improvement of the territory.

According to Tagir Ibragimov, Kolchak deserves to be immortalized. He believes that if it were not for the Civil War, he would be "honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev." After all, Kolchak was an outstanding scientist and polar explorer. Maps of the Arctic, compiled by the future leader of the White movement, are used in our time. He also made a great contribution to the defense of Port Arthur during the Russo-Japanese War. And the country with which Kolchak later fought, according to Tagir Ibragimov, no longer exists.

Meanwhile, in Russia, a discussion continues regarding historical figures of Kolchak. For some, he is a hero of the Fatherland, for others - a traitor and murderer.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, now, not to Krasnov, so Kolchak ...

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, now, not to Krasnov, so Kolchak ...

Kolchak is still not Krasnov, he did not go into the service. Now in many ways the image that was created by "red" propaganda and "polished" during the Soviet era plays against him ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: svp67

Now in many ways the image that was created plays against him

but was not, did not rage ...?

[svp67]

Quote: Barmaleyka

but was not, did not rage ...?

Excuse me, but were the "red" in this respect "goodies"?

[Barmaleyka]

Excuse me, but YOU are for the reds or the zkh of whites ?!

[svp67]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Excuse me, but YOU are for the reds or the zkh of whites ?!

I am for the Russians, I am in favor of stopping this division and quarrel, but to understand that we now have a real "enemy at the gates" who dreams, and most importantly, does not hide these dreams of his, about what to "break" our Fatherland into "little things" - "states" and do not allow them to unite anymore. And such a swara plays into his hands

[Graz]

theoretically, let the monument stand, then there should be an inscription about its main deeds and not only good ones, but also showing its dark side

[svp67]

Quote: Graz

then there should be an inscription about his main deeds and not only good ones, but also showing his dark side

Then you will have to broadcast such tablets to all the monuments of the red heroes ... can you imagine what will begin. Although this must be done. People should know what it is like the real history of the Civil War, and not "slicked" from one side or the other

[Cryvedco]

Well, for this, the monuments to the red heroes will have to be at least put up. And yet, yes, I can imagine what will begin.

[Oleg Zorin]

In every city are

[Cyril G ...]

It’s like a mini would be right ............

[Tatyana]

The truth about Kolchak without CINEMA myths and sugary romance.

1. After the overthrow of the Tsar, to whom Kolchak swore allegiance, he was the first to swear allegiance to the interim government, thereby violating his oaths of allegiance and amending the honor of an officer. (The last two decades have been trying in every possible way to erase this information from history, or even turn it upside down, as if Kolchak was the last to go over to the side of the rebels, which, however, does not cancel his betrayal).
2. The February revolution Kolchak met while in the United States, and immediately put forward his candidacy for the constituent assembly (the body declared to be created by the Bolsheviks), but did not manage to register.
3. After was accepted at a PERSONAL request, into the ENGLISH service, contrary to the oath given to the interim government. However, on his way to England he was met by emissaries of the Ufa (Siberian) Directory, one of the anti-Bolshevik governments created during the Civil War.
4.November 5, 1918 Admiral Kolchak was appointed Minister of War and Navy, the so-called Ufa Directory. And already November 18, 1918 (after 2 weeks) Kolchak made a coup, as a result of which the Directory was abolished, and he he declared himself the Supreme Ruler of Russia.
5. The remains of the constituent assembly dispersed by Lenin (where the former admiral once wanted to enter) by order of Kolchak they were shot.
6. In the territory which the troops controlled Kolchak, practiced the methods of fierce terror against political opponents and civilians who disagree to cooperate with the white movement.
7. The repressive methods of Kolchak provoked a wave of uprisings in the rear of the White Army, often leading these speeches not the Bolsheviks stood, but the Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks.
8. January 4, 1920 Kolchak signed his last decree - on the transfer of supreme power to General Denikin.
9. He was not killed by the Bolsheviks, but a devotee of the Entente, was given to the white-haters, who in turn gave it to the Irkutsk political center (Socialist Revolutionaries), and was replaced by a revolutionary who shot Kolchak even before the Bolsheviks approached the city.

10. Profukal the golden treasury of RI The Entente, the whites and the Japanese.

[Mihail2019]

Tatyana, I give you a well-deserved "+"!
"Explorer of the Arctic" - while the young lieutenant-cap-once was .. Swimming qualification is necessary for a career to work out. And how he got to the power - at once the whole nature and got out.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tatiana

Trapped the gold treasury of the RI Entente, the whites and the Japanese.

Generally and shabes.

[Private-K]

Do you know what the term "shabes" means, or rather - "shabes-goy"?
Oh, to someone, and to Kolchak, he is definitely not suitable.

[brr1]

Quote: Tatiana

The truth about Kolchak without CINEMA myths and sugary romance.

1. After the overthrow of the Tsar, to whom Kolchak swore allegiance, he was the first to swear allegiance to the interim government, thereby violating his oaths of allegiance and amending the honor of an officer. (The last two decades have been trying in every possible way to erase this information from history, or even turn it upside down, as if Kolchak was the last to go over to the side of the rebels, which, however, does not cancel his betrayal).
2. The February revolution Kolchak met while in the United States, and immediately put forward his candidacy for the constituent assembly (the body declared to be created by the Bolsheviks), but did not manage to register.
3. After was accepted at a PERSONAL request, into the ENGLISH service, contrary to the oath given to the interim government. However, on his way to England he was met by emissaries of the Ufa (Siberian) Directory, one of the anti-Bolshevik governments created during the Civil War.
4.November 5, 1918 Admiral Kolchak was appointed Minister of War and Navy, the so-called Ufa Directory. And already November 18, 1918 (after 2 weeks) Kolchak made a coup, as a result of which the Directory was abolished, and he he declared himself the Supreme Ruler of Russia.
5. The remains of the constituent assembly dispersed by Lenin (where the former admiral once wanted to enter) by order of Kolchak they were shot.
6. In the territory which the troops controlled Kolchak, practiced the methods of fierce terror against political opponents and civilians who disagree to cooperate with the white movement.
7. The repressive methods of Kolchak provoked a wave of uprisings in the rear of the White Army, often leading these speeches not the Bolsheviks stood, but the Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks.
8. January 4, 1920 Kolchak signed his last decree - on the transfer of supreme power to General Denikin.
9. He was not killed by the Bolsheviks, but a devotee of the Entente, was given to the white-haters, who in turn gave it to the Irkutsk political center (Socialist Revolutionaries), and was replaced by a revolutionary who shot Kolchak even before the Bolsheviks approached the city.

10. Profukal the golden treasury of RI The Entente, the whites and the Japanese.

Here it is. To shoot and drown him is not enough. Ahh, did you? Well, there is a way for him, he had to cut off his head and defecate directly in the throat.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Creedco

Well, for this, the monuments to the red heroes will have to be at least put up. And yet, yes, I can imagine what will begin.

You have yes, but we have everything with a bang !!!

[Oleg Zorin]

Yes and that would be right

[orionvitt]

Quote: svp67

People need to know what the true story of the Civil War is.

And what is the true story of the civil war, in your opinion? That some fought for the happiness of the working people (without sarcasm), others for the tsar, still others for their lost privileges, and still others fought for nothing. The article has keywords

if not for the Civil War, he "would have been honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev"

If only, if only. I would have remained an explorer of the Arctic and a naval officer, but no, I had to declare myself the "supreme ruler of Siberia", with all the ensuing consequences. So the civil war put everything in its place, and no one forgot his actions during the war.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

Would remain an explorer of the Arctic and a naval officer, but no, it was necessary to declare himself "the supreme ruler of Siberia"

Yes, here they turned down about Tsiolkovsky and Mendeleev, take higher Einstein. As liberals like high words. But an ordinary Arctic explorer, such as Kolchak, was hundreds, and he was not a great discoverer, just like the hero of the Japanese war, where he served for six months as a simple commander of a destroyer.

[Poor]

let's erect a monument to my fellow countryman "beat the whites until they turn red and the red ones until they turn white"

[notingem]

Makhno is absolutely worthy of the monument, especially as an ardent adherent of the ideas of anarchism and a very bright figure of the Civil War

[Poor]

Thank you for your understanding, my wife is a historian, and very often we discuss with her facts and interpretations of historical events. What I can’t disagree with is that the winners write History. Lord capitalists, for fear, have long fought the ghost of communism that roamed the planet , as a result, they bought a "couple" of corrupt communists and won

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Graz

theoretically, let the monument stand, then there should be an inscription about its main deeds and not only good ones, but also showing its dark side

Of course you are right, you need to write "both black and white". But for the mneres, I climbed the "web", found 12 books about Kolchak, and all of them, even if you write him down as a saint. But he did not find such atrocities in the DCK, and with whom he sold Russia, no. About Marshal Rokossovsky, I found only four books, and even then they were written during the USSR, but about Kolchak, all were written in the era of democrats and liberals. And what we give to our children and grandchildren. Truly the world turned upside down all the klystrons flew out of their heads.

[missuris]

Marshal Rokossovsky didn’t see beyond his nose either, the commission under his chairmanship hacked the concept of the Unified State Network of Computer Centers in the USSR, which could optimize the economy in the USSR and fight corruption and bureaucracy in the Communist Party.

[lelik613]

At that time, this concept was a stupidity of a Homeric scale, comparable to the water supply from Brest to Vladivostok from one pipe. The "Internet" of 1960 and the Internet of 2020 are two big differences. We didn’t have the resources to maintain and constantly update the aging hardware or software for managing the complex and processing data. In fact, it is a gamble that covers the virgin land adventure, the turning of the northern rivers and atomic explosions for the purposes of the national economy.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: svp67

to stop this division and swara

are you real ?!
just explain to me how I can stand on one side, for example with a gozman?
But he will say the same thing for the Russians

[svp67]

Quote: Barmaleyka

just explain to me how I can stand on one side, for example with a gozman?

Excuse me, but do you think that Gozman is for Kolchak? No, I will say otherwise, would Kolchak himself be for Gozman? No, he did not allow anyone like him to come to himself and to a cannon shot, and at best flogged "for defeatist propaganda"

[seregatara1969]

An officer with a difficult after a revolutionary fate. The figure is not unique. And did not commit atrocities. Here the story must be reevaluated and everything weighed again.

[RUSS]

Quote: seregatara1969

An officer with a difficult after a revolutionary fate. The figure is not unique. And did not commit atrocities. Here the story must be reevaluated and everything weighed again.

The author of the copper bust is Voronezh sculptor Alexey Dikunov. The project was financed by businessman Tagir Ibragimov. The facility is located on the territory of a building built by a businessman. Now the area around the bust is being improved, the grand opening is scheduled for May 18.

“I had the idea for a long time,” said Tagir Ibragimov. - In our city there are many streets named after ambiguous personalities who do not deserve this. There is a street Khalturina. He wanted to blow up the tsar, but could not do this, but his bomb killed soldiers and heroes of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. Kolchak is a legendary figure in the history of the Russian state, scientist, polar explorer, oceanographer, Port Arthur defense hero. Still use his maps of the Arctic. Today there is no state against which he fought. If not for the Civil War, everyone would have honored him as Dmitry Mendeleev or Konstantin Tsiolkovsky. ”

[fif21]

Quote: RUSS

The author of the copper bust

Copper!? It's good . Need to tell the "metalheads"
“I had the idea for a long time,” said Tagir Ibragimov
Oh and grandfather would have kicked you for an idea Or from the bays?

[RUSS]

Quote: fif21

Quote: RUSS

The author of the copper bust

Copper!? It's good . Need to tell the "metalheads"
“I had the idea for a long time,” said Tagir Ibragimov
Oh and grandfather would have kicked you for an idea Or from the bays?

Bashkirs have no bays

[tihonmarine]

Quote: seregatara1969

And did not commit atrocities.

You ask my grandfathers and great-grandfathers who lived beyond Irkutsk. Just an angel with a scythe in his hands.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, but do you think that Gozman is for Kolchak?

Kolchak and Gozman ??? Who is the nobleman Kolchak, and who is Gozman?

[New Year day]

Quote: Barmaleyka

just explain to me how I can stand on one side, for example

with Ivanov or Medinsky, who opened the Mannerheim board?

[avg]

I am for the Russians, I am for the fact that would stop this division and quarrel, and understand that we now have a real "enemy at the gates"

I'm with you. It is high time for our historians (and not only) to create a commission, to rethink that difficult time and to develop certain recommendations on the basis of which to adopt appropriate laws, write textbooks, and use them in toponymy. Famous saying: “The white movement was started almost by the saints, and almost the robbers finished it. This statement is uprooted by cruel mental pain, but it is thrown on the altar of the goddess of truth ”(V. Shulgin.) But is it only applicable to white. (I say this with pain, because all my life I was for the Reds)
As for Krasnov and his ilk, he and the whites would have been hanged.

[Cyril G ...]

Krasnov, unlike Denikin, began to serve the III Reich ....

[fider]

avg
"It is high time for our historians (and not only) to create a commission ..."

Each subsequent historian refutes the previous one. There is no faith in the historians of Russia. Yes, and the rest too.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: svp67

I am for the Russians, I am in favor of stopping this division and quarrel, but to understand that we now have a real "enemy at the gates" who dreams, and most importantly, does not hide these dreams of his, about what to "break" our Fatherland into "little things" - "states" and do not allow them to unite anymore. And such a swara plays into his hands

Yeah. It is necessary to rally around Vekselmovich’s yacht. Miner and oligarch in the same ranks. And the one that is internal is not important? Or when a domestic oligarch robs you is another matter entirely? By the way, it’s very interesting if the patriots of Russia hung the plate with your logic Mannerheim. And those who demanded her to remove the agents of the State Department and the liberal grant-eaters. Rocking a yacht.

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

But Kolchak was not for the Russians, dear svp67. What is he ,, Russian ,,? It was possible. ,, Was, yes swam away.. He since 1915 in sweat, plowed, on British intelligence. Okay, I agree - it’s hard to carefully verify his involvement in the explosion of Empress Maria, though ... But you look at how he behaves between February and October. He goes to Japan to rest, from the works of the righteous. Evil soldiers with weapons flee from the front - fed up with feeding lice for three years in a dumb IMPERIALIST slaughter, evil officers who are tired of free soldiers go to the Don ... And this, handsome one, is resting in the Land of the Rising Sun! And how do you explain for yourself the British battalion, which was very well guarded in Omsk? And how do you explain the public executions of the Reds, organized as theatrical performances? Where is this drug addict with her e..friend and interventions, imposingly located in the “box”, I watched the child from about. Photographs, documents, and artifacts, no agitation. ,,Go and see!,,
Why such a Frivolous distrust of their ancestors? They made their choice! They have been TIRED for hundreds of years with all these cunning, kolchaks,,,, krasnovy,,, denikins,,,, нгngerny, ... But unless, here and now, the rich have not bothered you for all 30 years old? You still don’t know, The Main Bourgeois Secret,?
All these ,, Wrangels ,,,, Semenov ,,,, White whales ,,,, White Cossacks ,,, ,, Belofins ,,, ,, ordinary ,, foreign interventionists, etc. r v a l and country to pieces. And the red ones - GATHERED. In my opinion, Savinkov emphasized this in his memoirs. Order, stability, CONFIDENCE were shown by the red ones, not the ones rushing about, like the well-known object in the ice hole, white

[stasimar]

What other enemy is at the gate !? Until you realize that you have let goats in the garden, you will walk in muzzles, and soon they will also give out a collar with a leash.

[cost]

The monument to Kolchak is a copper bust. It was created by sculptor Alexey Dikunov from Voronezh

It was easier to give a photo so that readers had an idea of ​​what was going on

[fif21]

Quote: svp67

that we now have a real "enemy at the gate",

Wake up uncle, the enemy is not at the gate, he is on our neck and his name is capitalism.

[Cyril G ...]

This is not possible, the Whites are eager for revenge, and this is leading to a new spiral. And look how the "new nobles" behave - our bureaucrats ...

[T.Henks]

I'm for the second international (cinematic SAY)

[Piramidon]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Excuse me, but YOU are for the reds or the zkh of whites ?!

Only two options?

[Yves762]

Quote: Piramidon

Only two options?

The rest are "minorities" ...

[Sklendarka]

Where is the monument to RasPutin ???

[cost]

Where is the monument to RasPutin ???

On the side avenue of the Pharmaceutical Garden in Tyumen there is a sculpture of a tall bearded man in a Siberian buttoned to all buttons. With his left hand he rests on a Viennese chair. So, according to the sculptor Vladimir Zolotukhin, Grigory Rasputin, a native of the village of Pokrovsky near the city, looked like. The figure is made of fiberglass and painted bronze.

Address: Tyumen, st. Daudelnaya, 7. GPS coordinates: 57.155706, 65.553059.
How to get there: by buses No. 13, 39, 120 to the stop. "Regional Infectious Diseases Hospital".

[Oleg Zorin]

What are you, dear !? What are red and white, one "Red and White" around

[Kuzmitsky]

As the classics said: "Tell me, my dear man, are you for the communists, or for the Bolsheviks?"

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

"And tell me, my dear man, are you for the communists, al for the Bolsheviks?"

Are you for the monarchists, al for the whites?

[Ros 56]

The Reds fought for the people, and the Whites for some for the Tsar, and some for the capitalists and during the war there are no white and fluffy ones.

[Kasym]

Many "whites" conspired with "foreigners".

[svp67]

Quote: Kasym

Many "whites" conspired with "foreigners".

Forgive me, but the "red" "a huge bunch" of foreigners were brought to our territory to fight for them ...

[Kasym]

Sergey, I do not deny it. But the fact is that the further development of the Union went without the dictation of foreigners.

[svp67]

Quote: Kasym

But the fact is that the further development of the Union went without the dictation of foreigners.

We are no longer given to find out how it would have defeated the "whites". In any case, Kolchak was for a single and indivisible ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: svp67

We are no longer given to find out how it would have defeated the "whites"

Well why. The external debt of Russia at the beginning of October 1917 was 16 billion gold rubles. Roughly - 16.000 tons of gold. Plus internal. And together at 60 billion. We are talking about the inevitability of the collapse of the United States, and Russia's debts were, considering the budgets, almost 3 times higher than that of the states.
Plus, the inevitable increase in external borrowing in the event of a victory for whites. The peasantry was categorically against them, having voted three-line for the Reds. And the village would have to be drowned in blood. Completely destroying the dissent.
Free funds would be many times less than in real history, with the victory of the Reds. We recall the 90s, and now we look around. The collapse of the state’s finances is by no means a reason to cancel baths from the widow of a clique and deprive the baleronium of diamonds. The Reds were nevertheless more modest in their Wishlist and Wishlist. A hundred times more modest. And there is the great depression, in which cap Russia would have smiled with a joyful screech, like the whole cap world.
Debts and "helpers" would have to be paid off with land and concessions for minerals and timber. For there is nothing more stupid. And it would not work out to pay off. It was a little unwise to throw troops at Soviet Russia, which was very left at that time in Europe. But on the capitalist ... which stole their legitimate money from the Johnes, Fields, and other Paolo ... They would have cut the country not into the Baltic states different from the Finland, but in full. Within the borders of today's Russia, it is not a fact that they would have resisted. In the Far East, for sure. The Japanese would have snatched a big piece. It would be good if only along Baikal. Although ... In Central Asia, the border could go a little further south, it's also not a fact, but modern Kazakhstan could be kept. For the simple reason that no one needed it for free then. But in the Caucasus they would have shredded them to their best. God forbid Stavropol would be a border, not abroad.
By 38-40, they would hardly have climbed out of the crisis. And that is not a fact. Industry would at best return to the 1917 level. For with the outflow of 16 billion gold, or the separation of such pieces of land, there would be no stupid point to grow.
Well, then .... And further from the events in Europe. For, by 1930, Russia would have been transformed from political actors into an object without options. Well, the bread would have crunched to the heart. And for what there was a kolchak .... For a single and indivisible, for the Martian empire or for the legalization of the LGBT community ... To its sponsors, it was so violet ... Whoever has dinner kolchak, he and that. Axiom.

[fighter angel]

svp 67
"... In any case, Kolchak was for a single and indivisible ..."

Yeah, yes. It was so hot that he became an English agent-representative, which, by the way, was very proud, and even left memories on this occasion!
And he, with the support of the British gentlemen, appointed himself "the dictator-governor of the Siberian Republic" !!! Do you feel how worried about the "one-indivisible"? He was so happy that he created "his" republic, and proclaimed himself its ruler, on a par with the British, and with their full support and funding!
No fairy tales, the whole white movement sold out and pursued its own interests.
What is "one-indivisible"?
They did not care deeply about the country from a high note!

[Doliva63]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Kasym

But the fact is that the further development of the Union went without the dictation of foreigners.

We are no longer given to find out how it would have defeated the "whites". In any case, Kolchak was for a single and indivisible ...

Did Kolchak tell you this? God, how many nonsense they write in VO!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: svp67

In any case, Kolchak was for one and indivisible ...

It was unlikely that then foreigners would help him.
English uniform
Shoulder strap french
Japanese tobacco,
Omsk ruler.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: svp67

We are no longer able to find out how it would have won "white

Don’t lie already .. In this country we live now ..

[apro]

Quote: svp67

Forgive me, but the "red" "a huge bunch" of foreigners were brought to our territory to fight for them ...

According to pzhlsta details. Which states sent military contingents to help the Reds ... come on details !!!

[svp67]

Quote: apro

According to pzhlsta details. Which states sent military contingents to help the Reds ... come on details !!!

The Chinese, Latvians, Hungarians and many others fought on the side of the "red" for a good material reward ... and now I don't need to tell tales that they were all "fiery" communists. The overwhelming majority of them, who survived, of course, returned to their homeland after the war and lived as law-abiding citizens, not only that, for the same money and already other interests they fought against Soviet Russia

[apro]

Quote: svp67

and I don’t need to tell fairy tales now

You dear, did not answer the question this time. Second. The Latvians and their military formations were created in Ri. And these are our compatriots if something. Like the Polish military formations are created in Ri. But they partly sided with the white and intervets and you do not take this into account .
Prisoners of war of the tripartite union who found themselves on the territory of Russia made their choice voluntarily and were part of the Red Army on a common basis and under Soviet command. The Chinese found themselves on Russian territory for hire and during the period of the revolution and the civil war, no one needed to leave. maybe some part went to the Reds. but then again, under the Soviet command and no one called them. and some to the Greens. such are the realities of troubled times.

[svp67]

Quote: apro

and their military formations were created in ri. and these are our compatriots if something. like the Polish military formations are created in ri. but they partly sided with whites and intervets and you do not take this into account.

Right now, you are distorting, from the moment the Soviet regime recognized the independence of these countries, they ceased to be our compatriots, which they proved by moving to their homeland at the end of the war and pursuing a completely nationalist policy and fighting already against us. In particular, Latvian intelligence was the most informed about the state of affairs in Soviet Russia at that time and shared this information with all foreign states. Who do you think were the sources of this information.
And at the expense of the Poles, you are wrong, there were only a few of them in the "white" movement, precisely because of the slogan of "one and indivisible Russia"

[apro]

Quote: svp67

they ceased to be our compatriots

A very bold statement ... and when the Soviets recognized the Baltic republics. And who contributed to this, do not tell me? It is just that the Soviets did not burn out to free these territories.

Quote: svp67

And at the expense of the Poles, you are wrong, there were only a few of them in the "white" movement,

One division is a unit? For the Civil War is a lot ..

[svp67]

Quote: apro

it’s just that the Soviets didn’t burn out to liberate these territories.

But what do you say, and who drove the Poles from Vilno and made it the capital of the Lithuanian-Belarusian Republic? Independent, and not part of the RSFSR

[apro]

Quote: svp67

What are you saying

And what did the Bolsheviks do in 1918.1919? Not by chance fighting the Russian white liberation army? And did they have forces in the Baltic states and Finland?
I just don’t understand what you want to prove with your posts ... the more so, the statements are very flimsy

[svp67]

Quote: apro

One division is a unit? For the Civil War is a lot.

No ... a division on the scale of any war is not much ...

[Alexga]

And at the expense of the Poles, you are wrong, there were only a few of them in the "white" movement, precisely because of the slogan of "a single and indivisible Russia

Why so? And the 5th Polish division in the Kolchak army?

[svp67]

Quote: AlexGa

Why so? And the 5th Polish division in the Kolchak army?

Which partly went to China, and partly was captivated by the red, ...

[Alexga]

First to Mongolia to Ungern, and then to Trans-Baikal to Semenov. There are memoirs of the engineer of the division, he colorfully describes everything.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: svp67

The Chinese, Latvians, Hungarians fought on the side of the "red" for good material reward

the problem is that it was not on the side of the Whites that the Angles, Franks, mattresses, etc. fought, while the Whites fought on the side of all these gentlemen

[RUSS]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: svp67

The Chinese, Latvians, Hungarians fought on the side of the "red" for good material reward

the problem is that it was not on the side of the Whites that the Angles, Franks, mattresses, etc. fought, while the Whites fought on the side of all these gentlemen

Chinese, Latvian, Estonian, Hungarian mercenaries fought on the Red side

[Barmaleyka]

read CAREFULLY again what I wrote

[reservist]

those. the whole Czechoslovak corps was not worth the Latvian division of Wacetis?

[AUL]

Quote: apro

According to pzhlsta details. Which states sent military contingents to help the Reds ...

A year and a half at VO there was an article in which it was said that ASP (American) troops were brought into Arkhangelsk at the request of the Soviet government. Do not be lazy, find. The Entente troops (although the Americans were not formally part of the Entente). Everyone knows about this "aggression", but has anyone heard of the battles between the Reds and the Amers in these parts?
I also read about a significant number of employed Chinese in serious sources.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from AUL

I also read about a significant number of employed Chinese in serious sources.

And besides the Chinese in the Red Army there were Hungarians, Jews, Germans, Austrians, Germans from the Volga region, Bulgarians, Slovaks, and maybe someone else, but the Mongols were for sure.

[Hypatius]

I also read about a significant number of employed Chinese in serious sources.

The Red Chinese were bad warriors, but the nation is cruel. They did well, walk fire on defenseless Cossack villages, in Siberia and Kazakhstan, while the Cossacks traveled home from the WWI fronts. Enemies burned their own hut, but there were thugs Cossacks, well, well.
Who fueled terror if not import commissars? Who paid the hiring of the same Chinese railway workers to the firing squads? For me, rhetorical questions. Puppeteers from all sides, were outside the borders of the Republic of Ingushetia.

[Lopatov]

Quote from AUL

For a year and a half, the VO had an article stating that ASP (American) troops had been brought into Arkhangelsk at the request of the Soviet government. Do not be lazy, find.

This is something you very well confuse

[AUL]

Quote: Spade

This is something you very well confuse

Not at all! I myself was very surprised at this fact.

[Lopatov]

So, some author completely lies.

[AUL]

Quote: Spade

So, some author completely lies.

Now try to find this article. This may take some time.

[reservist]

managed to find? interesting however ...

[AUL]

Rummaged, did not dig. On the Internet, I found that there was an offer from the Entente to our government to protect our north from Germans and Finns, and Trotsky considered it appropriate. In any case, there was no opposition on our part. And they left from there themselves.

[reservist]

But what was there to counteract in 1918? The imperial army is no longer there, the Red Army is not yet ...

They could not take Kotlas, they fought with Kedrov's 6th Army and left after the defeat of the "whites" they supported

from the telegram of the commander in chief of the British expeditionary forces, General Ironside:

The state of the Russian troops was such that it became clear that all my efforts to rally the Russian National Army had definitely failed. It is necessary to evacuate as soon as possible, unless the number of British troops here is increased

goarctic.ru/live/grazhdanskaya-voyna-i-interventsiya-na-russkom-severe/

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Kasym

Many "whites" colluded with "foreigners"

like the red ones - Ulyanov did not make the Brest peace?

Quote: Ros 56

The Reds fought for the people

Yeah, especially tell this to the Cossacks and the people of Tambov
There were real patriots, and there and there and the name of them is the Russians !!
And when the father of the son kills, or brother of the brother - nothing can be worse

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

And when the father of the son kills, or brother of the brother - nothing can be worse

Although I’m for the Reds in my life, I can’t harass both the Whites (with the exception of traitors like Krasnov), since among my great-grandfathers, grandfather and his children, and my paternal brothers, there were both Red and White who fought for Russia.

[Ros 56]

Of course, it is a difficult task, but you cannot sit on two chairs at the same time, you have to make a choice and your soul should tell it. And if you do not make this choice, then you are simply a traitor for both. Therefore, they were a Civil brother against a brother or a son against a father. For this they can be respected, and in the case of non-selection, it’s just ... it that hangs in the hole.

[Ros 56]

These are all words, you can’t stand all your life, you always have to make a choice, you are for these or those, otherwise you are no one and you can’t call you. This is the tragedy of any Civil War, as for example now happening in Ukraine.

[Ros 56]

True, but many fought for the Reds, and not only in the Civil, but also in the Second World War.

[Grandfather]

In Bashkiria, a bust of Kolchak

Well, a nail for 200 in the head, installed.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ros 56

The Reds fought for the people, and the White for some for the Tsar, and some for the capitalists

the white army was staffed only by nobles, were there no representatives of the people? Nobles are not a people. already clear

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

the white army was staffed only by nobles, were there no representatives of the people?

After WWII, my grandfather was not for the Reds, not for the Whites, but when one or the other came to rob, he beat both of them with his fellow villagers ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ros 56

The Reds fought for the people, and the White for some for the Tsar, and some for the capitalists

And the white beat the people, and the red beat the people. And now you won’t count who is more and who is less. The main thing is who won, and the winner followed the people.

[AUL]

Quote: tihonmarine

The main thing is who won, and the winner followed the people.

And the winners, as usual, wrote the story. So, as considered necessary.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from AUL

And the winners, as usual, wrote the story.

I personally had no doubt, I think you too.

[Ros 56]

Well, what nonsense are you writing, but what, white and red are not people? And it turns out, the people beat the people. Some crap, it’s difficult to do all this, to make your only choice and try to remain human.

[Overlock]

Quote: Ros 56

and what, white and red are not people? And it turns out, the people beat the people.

it’s just that the people are divided into parts: some for the whites, others for the reds, and still others for themselves. And they beat both white and red (Makhno example)

[Ros 56]

Makhno is an ordinary gopnik, this is not a people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ros 56

And it turns out, the people beat the people.

Well, who beat the people ??? Aliens or what?

[Oleg Zorin]

As it turned out, they had very peculiar ideas about the good of the people and not very humane methods of achieving this good.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

White fought for the right to continue taxing people with land rents. After all, peasants were freed without land, so they immediately became tenants from their landowners. And dad and son Kolchak were landowners. And the peasants with them - as if in a mortgage. For 30% per annum.

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, but were the "red" in this respect "goodies"?

No.
And this means that there is no need to erect monuments to either. no other.

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, but were the "red" in this respect "goodies"?

Both sides were far from angels.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, but were the "red" in this respect "goodies"?

Kolchak - from the elite of the Russian Empire. The very one that sheared the land rent from the peasants, and traveled with this money, organized expeditions, well, and ate deliciously. If Tagir Ibragimov, a tradesman, dared to cross the road to Admiral Kolchak (literally, on the street), then he would have tasted good lashes on the exit ...

[Sergey49]

Whoever triumphs, the good who loses is evil. It has been and always will be.

[4ekist]

And how about, for example, Comrade Comrade’s activities? Tukhachevsky? Was that a good kid?
The brutal military occupation of the insurgent areas, the destruction of farms and the destruction of the homes of the rebel participants and their families, hostages, including from among children, the creation of concentration camps and repression up to the execution for disobedience, for harboring “bandits” and weapons, that is, . terror of the civilian population was organized. In the course of the suppression of the uprising, Tukhachevsky destroyed many villages and villages using artillery, armored vehicles and toxic gases. (The source of information is the portal History.RF, https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/tambovskoie-antonovskoie-kriestianskoie-vosstaniie)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 4ekist

And how about, for example, Comrade Comrade’s activities? Tukhachevsky? Was that a good kid?

and a traitor.

[Ros 56]

It's good to rant on the couch when everything is behind and you yourself were not there. Look at Ukraine and everything will immediately become clear, it’s painful for you to all theorize, but the time has come and the choice is before you, you are for Donbass or for Bandera. It was exactly the same in the Civil.

[val43]

What are you smoking so hard there?

[AUL]

And who in Civil

was not, did not rage ...

Such was the war ...

[Oleg Zorin]

And who did not rage? (((They exterminated each other with unprecedented bitterness

[reservist]

British crown service doesn’t count?

Kolchak himself wrote to Timireva:

December 30, 1917 I was accepted into the service of His Majesty the King of England

topwar.ru/103797-kolchak-predatel-i-gosudarstvennyy-izmennik-dvoynoy-agent-svidetelstvuet-sovetnik-prezidenta-vilsona.html

[svp67]

Quote: reservist

British crown service doesn’t count?

There was such a fact in his biography, but nevertheless he returned to Russia, without English bayonets

[reservist]

Quote: svp67

... he returned to Russia, without English bayonets

British sailors in the parade in front of the headquarters of the Czechoslovak Legion.
Vladivostok. August 19, 1918 Photographer unknown. RGAKFD. Arch. No. 3-1894

[svp67]

Quote: reservist

British sailors in the parade in front of the headquarters of the Czechoslovak Legion.
Vladivostok.

Chinese Red Army detachment on the Kolchak front ...

[reservist]

Quote: svp67

Chinese Red Army detachment on the Kolchak front ...

probably in the photo the regular military unit of the Chinese army sent by the Chinese authorities to fight against Kolchak?

[svp67]

Quote: reservist

probably in the photo the regular military unit of the Chinese army sent by the Chinese authorities to fight against Kolchak?

These are "volunteers" hired from the Chinese "migrant workers" working in Tsarist Russia, FOR MONEY, since there was no other job, and they did not want to return home without money

[reservist]

And the money allowance in the white armies was not paid to the soldiers? the same Kolchak (with a gold reserve of RI) probably had a good opportunity to "outbid" the Chinese?
imho, the Chinese themselves could compare the realities of life in the "white" and "red" territories and make a choice ...

from the resolution of the Congress of Representatives of the Chinese detachments of November 18, 1918:

The formation of Chinese Red Army international detachments in Russia takes place at the initiative of the Chinese workers' organizations themselves, by their own forces and their own command, and, moreover, exclusively from Chinese volunteer revolutionaries ...

[svp67]

At the time of the RI, so many Chinese were imported that there were enough of them for the "white", they also "called" them, but in smaller numbers because of distrust of them

[reservist]

Quote: svp67

... there were so many Chinese imported that there were enough of them for the "white", they also "called" them ...

those. the argument about the Chinese in the Red Army removed?

[Hypatius]

the same Kolchak (with a gold reserve of RI) probably had a good opportunity to "outbid" the Chinese?

And here’s the hassle, but where did the Reds get hired money, if Kolchak had the reserve? There is only one conclusion, they were frantically sponsored by foreign countries. Not for nothing that the Bolsheviks sent Trotsky, a communist, with several wagons of archival documents. So that the ends in the water, and access to these archives is still closed. Russians killed each other for other people's money. And, it seems, these elected from the Fed also welded.

[reservist]

Quote: Hypatius

... and where did the Reds have money to hire, if Kolchak had the reserve? There is only one conclusion, they were frantically sponsored by foreign countries.

the same foreign country that organized an intervention against Soviet Russia?

[Hypatius]

the same foreign country that organized an intervention against Soviet Russia?

It turns out that so. They could, and still it was who would win. The world empire is knocked out, gold and other resources are stolen, and all by the wrong hands. I don’t see anything fantastic in this. Similar scenarios are now used.

[reservist]

Quote: Hypatius

They could, and still it was who would win.

Why did it happen ?
The Entente needed Russia's participation in the "war to victory ...", and the Triple Alliance needed a separate peace
the same "whites" collaborated with different "sponsors", Skoropadsky and Krasnov with the Germans, Denikin and Kolchak with the Entente ...

[awdrgy]

Kind of like if now, in the event of a war, one of the sides of the Gaster puts under the gun?

[AUL]

Quote: reservist

probably in the photo a regular military unit of the Chinese army sent by the Chinese authorities

No, just mercenaries. For denyuzhki.

[reservist]

or internationalist volunteers, which in this case doesn’t matter ...
trying to understand the logic ... why compare them with the regular part of the British army?

[reservist]

1918 year. The English squadron at the Murmansk raid.

although ... in 1918 Kolchak did not reach Murmansk ...

[RUSS]

Quote: reservist

1918 year. The English squadron at the Murmansk raid.

although ... in 1918 Kolchak did not reach Murmansk ...

On March 6, 1918, British troops landed in the Russian North and captured Arkhangelsk and the Murmansk Railway, to impede the naval supply of the German troops and the Bolsheviks who concluded the Brest-Litovsk peace with them.

[reservist]

Quote: RUSS

... to impede the naval supply of the German troops ...

Nothing that the ports of Germany in the Baltic, and the German troops at that time were in the Baltic and Ukraine?

Do you think that it was more convenient for the Germans to supply the army through Murmansk than via the Baltic states?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

but nevertheless he returned to Russia, without English bayonets

But he didn’t voluntarily return.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: reservist

British crown service doesn’t count?

1917 July, Kolchak leaves for the States. But how he leaves! Through Finland, Sweden and Norway to Bergen, passing part of the way under a false name and in civilian clothes. All this is allegedly in order to "not be taken prisoner by the Germans." They rode in civilian clothes and the officers accompanying him.
From Bergen, accompanied by destroyers (!), A steamer with Kolchak on board goes to the English port of Aberdeen, and only on August 17 did the Russians arrive in London. It took twenty days to travel from St. Petersburg to just London. And for another two weeks Kolchak gets stuck in England. Although it is safe, and then still a short way through his native Russia and the Pacific Ocean, Kolchak chooses something that looks absolutely absurd. Then he hung out in London for almost two weeks - supposedly "idle" and waiting for an opportunity overseas. After the failure of the Kornilov era, Kolchak was slowly sent by the British from Glasgow, Scotland, to Halifax, Canada. He sailed aboard an auxiliary cruiser for 11 days.
According to his "legend" - a cover, he was still going to the States to participate in the development of an amphibious operation, but suddenly the need for a "super-specialist in mine work" for some reason disappeared.
A person with an undefined status of Kolchak was received in the US in the state department, there was a meeting with President Wilson. In general, America made Kolchak what she needed, America. He served her until February 7, 1920, when the Bolsheviks shot him. And the Austro-Hungarians gave it to the Bolsheviks, and the friends of the Americans did not even think to save him. I have no pity for him.

[To be or not to be]

English uniform
Shoulder strap french
Japanese tobacco,
Omsk ruler.

Chorus:

Oh, my scumbag
American,
There will be no money
I'll take it for sale!

The uniform has been torn down
Epaulet fell
Tobacco smoked,
The ruler was washed away.

Omsk occupied
Irkutsk taken away
And with a scumbag
Kolchak was taken.

1920 (?)

Sun Vishnevsky. Red Fleet in Songs (Heroic Oratorio Poem). Sobr. Op., vol. 1, pp. 72-73. West Sun Vishnevsky in the early 20s. Cited from the publication: Russian Soviet Folklore. Anthology / Comp. and note. L.V. Domanovsky, N.V. Novikova, G.G. Shapovalova. Ed. N.V. Novikova and B.N. Putilova. L., 1967.
They came to Siberia. Extortions and terror began. Even prosperous peasants (and in Siberia there were many) left for the partisans .. (from the stories of the Siberian woman.)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svp67

Now in many ways the image that was created by "red" propaganda and "polished" during the Soviet era plays against him ...

In the case of Kolchak, special problems in creating an image there wasn’t - the Admiral and his subordinates did the maximum possible to remain in memory as punishers and hangers.

We waited for Kolchak, as Christ's day, and waited, as the most predatory beast. We flogged everyone here, right and wrong. If not fastened, then they will shoot or pin with a bayonet. God forbid this fierce Kolchak ...

This is incomprehensible to the mind: Kolchak took several months to turn the territories liberated from the Reds into a hornet's nest of rebellions and riots against the whites.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Alexey RA

Kolchak took several months to turn the territories liberated from the Reds into a hornet's nest of rebellions and riots against the whites.

He always commanded.
In excuse, and did not spare himself.
But you cannot put such people as a leader. It will ruin any business if it is necessary to work for the team.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: svp67

Kolchak is still not Krasnov, he did not go to the service.

I don’t know who is worse.
Everything is clear about Krasnov ... he sold out to the Nazis ...
And it was stupid and not for long.
Kolchak did the same, but with the British ...
If Kolchak won, it means that Russia was sold to England ... And this could be for a long time ...

[RUSS]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, now, not to Krasnov, so Kolchak ...

Kolchak is still not Krasnov, he did not go into the service. Now in many ways the image that was created by "red" propaganda and "polished" during the Soviet era plays against him ...

It’s absolutely true, I’m sure that the monuments to Kolchak will continue to be opened

[Lars971a]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, now, not to Krasnov, so Kolchak ...

Kolchak is still not Krasnov, he did not go into the service. Now in many ways the image that was created by "red" propaganda and "polished" during the Soviet era plays against him ...

One question is what was the first red terror or white. I’ll answer right away, from the beginning there was white terror, to which the Reds answered .......................... ..... And at Kolchak, his hands to the elbow in blood, there are no options

[ltc35]

The best propaganda is the story of my great-grandfather and my great-grandmother. They captured this image with interest, when in the village Kolchakites shot several men, and the rest, who refused to serve in his army, left with ramrods. Backs in minced blood threshed. And the places of executions are still marked with monuments throughout Siberia.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: svp67

the olchak is still not Krasnov; he did not go to the service.

Wow, he’s much worse. Kolchak, who came up with preventive executions of civilians, must go at the Himmler and Bandera levels ...

[Tank jacket]

Did Kolchak swear allegiance to the English crown? Thank you ... Anglo-Saxons are the enemies of the people since the time of Ivan the Terrible ....

[Awaz]

You see, the crimes of Kolchak and his troops were vividly and beautifully (if you can call it that) the curators described him. These people did not have any positive emotions for either the Reds or the Russian people in general, but they were astonished at the brutality of the Kolchakites. Given that the terror was not so much against the Reds, but against the civilian population located in the territories occupied by Kolchak. Everyone knew about the crimes, including Kolchak, and therefore he is not worthy of forgiveness.
And one moment. Sailors did not go for Kolchak. Not a single sailor has ever served in his army. The reason is that they in abundance in their own skin experienced the delights of working with him, serving in the Navy ....
The behavior of Kolchakites in Siberia is very similar to the behavior of Bandera at the time.
By the way yet. Still in 18, during another attempted coup, the Reds caught Kolchak and he gave them the officer’s word not to fight against the new government, for which he was released.
What I described is like this, drafts. If you delve into, in his life story there is much more ...

[fif21]

Quote: svp67

Now in many ways the image that was created by "red" propaganda and "polished" during the Soviet era plays against him ...

In the Urals, they still remember this bastard! He polished his image. And the one who erected a monument to this body with low social responsibility simply spat in the face of his grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
May 9 is not his holiday.

[Rusfaner]

Yes, they remembered Kolchak in the Urals - my grandfather called him a flayer, said that a man who refused to go to serve hung on his own gate. He took away the seed grain and fed them horses.

[kostik-oz]

The only difference is between krasnov and kolchach! Hitler had Krasnov, and the Entente had a kolchak in the servants. And so, the same murderers and hangers of their people!

[cniza]

It looks like you are right, this is the purposeful work of our "partners" ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: cniza

It looks like you are right, this is the purposeful work of our "partners" ...

I am afraid that this is the purposeful work of our authorities. They really want to. so that we have a similar regime in Russia today.

[cniza]

Do you seriously think that our authorities are working on the collapse of the country? do our authorities want a revolution? I do not see such attacks.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: cniza

Do you seriously think that our authorities are working on the collapse of the country? do our authorities want a revolution? I do not see such attacks.

I seriously believe that "our authorities" want to fill their pockets faster, and they don't care about the "side effects" in the form of the collapse of the country. Neither they nor their children have lived in Russia for a long time. Russia for them is something like a hunting ground where you can earn a living. And their life takes place outside of Russia.

[cniza]

You think that for so much time in power they have not solved their financial problems, but you probably mean that the power is lower in rank and status, so here we ourselves often contribute to this, and our "partners" want to destroy us, including with the help corruption of medium and small level ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: cniza

You think that for so much time in power they have not solved their financial problems, but you probably mean that the power is lower in rank and status, so here we ourselves often contribute to this, and our "partners" want to destroy us, including with the help corruption of medium and small level ...

They will never solve "their financial problems". If a dog starts carrying chickens, do you think it will ever stop doing it? Tell me what they do with such a dog?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: cniza

Do you seriously think that our authorities are working on the collapse of the country? do our authorities want a revolution? I do not see such attacks.

Well, see slowly little by little. Of course, the board to Mannerheim, the monument to Kolchak, the monument to Krasnov - that’s all from the Martians! The authorities have nothing to do with it!

I envy how easy it is for you ...

[cniza]

Well, yes, it’s Putin personally with Medvedev - Mishustin is led, developed a plan on how to deprive themselves of armchairs and saw the branch on which they sit ...

[Leshy1975]

Quote: cniza

Well, yes, it’s Putin personally with Medvedev - Mishustin is led, developed a plan on how to deprive themselves of armchairs and saw the branch on which they sit ...

Why personally. It is enough to choose the closest circle, in accordance with their views and values. The rest this close circle will do:
MOSCOW, October 18, 2016. / TASS /. Installation of a memorial plaque Karl Mannerheim in St. Petersburg was not a mistake, protests are associated with ignorance of history, I am sure Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation on environmental issues, ecology and transport Sergey Ivanov. Post Head of the Kremlin Administrationin June of this year he participated at the opening of the plaque.

PS So by chance. You can’t write it either.

[cniza]

Why personally. It is enough to choose the closest circle, in accordance with their views and values. The rest this close circle will do:

Will do what? will voluntarily work to deprive themselves of seats and positions?
Don't find this weird?

The installation of a memorial plaque to Karl Mannerheim in St. Petersburg was not a mistake,

And who says this is a mistake?

As the head of the Kremlin’s administration, in June of this year, he participated in the opening of the memorial plaque.

And where is he now and what is he doing? You yourself answered borrowed ...

[New Year day]

Quote: cniza

Do you seriously think that our authorities are working on the collapse of the country? do our authorities want a revolution? I do not see such attacks

Do you think that the same pension reform or enormous social injustice contribute to love and mutual understanding in the country?

[cniza]

Pension reform is a separate song and would not discuss it here, but it didn’t add love to the authorities for sure ...

[New Year day]

Quote: cniza

Pension reform is a separate song and would not discuss it here, but it didn’t add love to the authorities for sure ...

speak correctly, the person just did not notice this "love"

[Gennady Korsunov]

So he is, haven't you noticed !!

[Diver-SP]

Quote: cniza

It looks like you are right, this is the purposeful work of our "partners" ...

I have been shouting about this for a long time. !!! . And recently I looked at the "report" of Navalny kuda invested 68 million .. FBK .. And some of it disappeared somewhere!
This is clearly .. Russia is being blown up from the inside!

[New Year day]

Quote: Diver-SP

This is clearly .. Russia is being blown up from the inside!

Who are you?

[Diver-SP]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Diver-SP

This is clearly .. Russia is being blown up from the inside!

Who are you?

The fifth column of the State Department now .. And it turns out they are not bad!
And you Sylvester also seem to be one of those ..
Maybe I'm wrong, but such a howl is worth ..

[New Year day]

Quote: Diver-SP

The fifth column of the State Department now .. And it turns out they are not bad!

probably those who have accounts abroad and real estate. Did not notice?

Quote: Diver-SP

And you, Sylvester, also seem to be one of those

but I have neither one nor the other

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Silvestr

Who are you?

As the saying goes, "guess with three tries."

[svp67]

Quote: Diver-SP

Do you think this is the people of Bashkiria?

Excuse me, but this monument that the robot ordered and installed?

Quote: Diver-SP

This is such a flash mob that goes around Russia to humiliate us ..

And how are they humiliating us with Kolchak?

[ioan-e]

Quote: svp67

And how are they humiliating us with Kolchak?

By the fact that this is an overtone window!

According to Tagir Ibragimov, Kolchak deserves to be immortalized in his memory. He believes that if it were not for the Civil War, he would be "honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev." After all, Kolchak was an outstanding scientist and polar explorer.

He's completely fucked up, I see here - I don't see here? And General Vlasov was the hero of the battle for Moscow, and then the ROA created and in the memory of the people remained a collaborator and a complete bastard! So now he also put a monument or what?

[svp67]

Quote: ioan-e

and then the ROA created and in the memory of the people remained a collaborator and a complete bastard!

Vlasov went to direct service to the enemies of our Fatherland. Kolchak is another story.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: svp67

Vlasov went to direct service to the enemies of our Fatherland. Kolchak is another story.

What is this "different story"?

[svp67]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What is this "different story"?

Straight. Having become the Supreme Ruler, they did not bow to any of the foreign states in loyalty and tried to pursue an independent policy, which, in principle, signed a death warrant for himself, the revival of a strong United and Indivisible Russia was not included in the plans of the same British and they did everything to make Kolchak first were arrested and then given to the "red" "white Czechs"

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: svp67

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What is this "different story"?

Straight. Having become the Supreme Ruler, they did not bow to any of the foreign states in loyalty and tried to pursue an independent policy, which, in principle, signed a death warrant for himself, the revival of a strong United and Indivisible Russia was not included in the plans of the same British and they did everything to make Kolchak first were arrested and then given to the "red" "white Czechs"

He only gave concessions to foreigners, recognized royal debts, etc. In general, he did what Kudrin and Chubais do not do today. And the people of Russia hung and burned. Kolchak then, even in the "holy nineties" could not rehabilitate.

[svp67]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

He gave concessions to foreigners only, recognized royal debts, etc.

But precisely because of the failure to recognize the tsarist debts of the USSR, other countries did not recognize for a long time, so this is a necessary measure

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Kolchak then, even in the "holy nineties" could not rehabilitate.

And the monuments erected at that time and the whole film ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: svp67

But precisely because of the failure to recognize the tsarist debts of the USSR, other countries did not recognize for a long time, so this is a necessary measure

Do you think that Lenin had to admit the tsarist debts, return the manufacturers, and then give half of the country at the mercy of "Western investors"?

[svp67]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do you think that Lenin had to admit the tsarist debts, return the manufacturers, and then give half of the country at the mercy of "Western investors"?

You just don't know history well. At the first stage, only those enterprises whose owners refused to cooperate with the Soviet government were nationalized. General nationalization took place later, and then came the times of the New Economic Policy, where effectively working "former manufacturers" were only welcomed at their own enterprises.
And there was nothing to pay off the tsarist debts to Lenin, everything was spent on "indemnity" to Germany following the results of the "Brest Peace"

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: svp67

You just don't know the story well.

You want to say that you know her (story) well?

[AUL]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do you think that Lenin had to admit the tsarist debts, return the manufacturers, and then give half of the country at the mercy of "Western investors"?

Something I did not see where svp67 I thought so! All this was carried out a little later and successfully continue to carry out now!

[ioan-e]

Quote: svp67

Quote: ioan-e

and then the ROA created and in the memory of the people remained a collaborator and a complete bastard!

Vlasov went to direct service to the enemies of our Fatherland. Kolchak is another story.

Cooperation with the interventionists is no different from "serving the enemy", even if you think differently!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ioan-e

He's completely fucked up, I see here - I don't see here?

Yes, he does not care what the head of administration said, then he will do it. Today kolchak, tomorrow the chieftain of seeds, after tomorrow Hitler. What the administration will say, if only it would steal.

[Diver-SP]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, but this monument that the robot ordered and installed?

Everything is just very Sergey! A boy comes from Moscow with a small suitcase and to the head of any town or even a city at once .. he throws out a pack of dollars, we want to put up a monument! You do not mind and a wad of dollars quietly on the table moves to him .. And quietly speaks like that with a threat, are you "not red-brown and anti-Semitic"? This is going on throughout Russia to restore the history of the present ..
And "the Presidential Fund sponsored with Mikhalkov or Fridman (the main thing is to name well-known names), etc."
Imagine the eyes of a municipal official, and especially when you see a pack of dollars that he has never seen in his life ...
This is how they act everywhere .. Here and think

[210ox]

This monument was ordered not by a robot, and not by the people. Private person, very rich. And for example, it’s weak for him to put money into a better deed — a bronze bust is clearly not cheap. He paid for treatment to needy children, for example. And then amused his ego.

[Diver-SP]

Quote: svp67

And how are they humiliating us with Kolchak?

Orders did not read it? Hang all the rebels, flog the peasants and the soldiers .. I trampled the gold of the tsarist empire, part in Japan, part of the white whale took the rest with me to Baikal .. I shot him a lot of blood correctly on him .. I thought I outweigh the half of Russia, and the rest will kneel ! ..Denikin is also a Semenov bandit ..
They had their own truth, the Bolsheviks had OWN and We showed these "masters" that cooks can lead Russia and the Sons of Shoemakers (Stalin, Zhukov, etc.)
Such a country was created that gentlemen did not even dream of your power .. But alas, you avenged us bastards and harshly .. And now we see what you are doing from the country.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, but this monument that the robot ordered and installed?

"But the bust was recreated by a little-known sculptor from Voronezh Alexey Dikunov. We did not find a sculptor for Sterlitamak who could support us."
T. Ibragimov,

[Vasily Ponomarev]

> to rock the country
"There is no time for buildup"

[Gennady Korsunov]

What do we have to do? So change the bourgeois power to the people !! Kolchak fought not for the people, but for the bourgeoisie, and now they are erecting a monument to him ..

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Gennady Korsunov

What do we have to do? So change the bourgeois power to the people !! Kolchak fought not for the people, but for the bourgeoisie, and now they are erecting a monument to him ..

It would be strange if it were the other way around, I do not see "freshly placed" monuments to Lenin. The parade earlier, we held on November 7th, today and November 7th are not celebrated. For that, boards are hung up to Mannerheim, monuments to Kolchak and Krasnov are erected, the neighboring house, the administration decorated with a tricolor, on Victory Day. Photo report made. Work in progress! They probably received the awards, they gave orders to those who need it, It's a sin to say that, but it's good that my grandfather didn't live to see all this.

[Shadow]

Lenin was only a professional revolutionary who was sitting in restaurants while the best of the Russians waged the most difficult and terrible war in history, and then he realized the anthropocentric and hedonistic idea even through disgust through a well-known place.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

Lenin was only a professional revolutionary who was sitting in restaurants while the best of the Russians waged the most difficult and terrible war in history, and then he realized the anthropocentric and hedonistic idea even through disgust through a well-known place.

Lenin is the founder of the state, whose legacy we are still "devouring". At least once, try to "sit" in a prison or colony, for a common cause, for those who are "below you" on the social scale (for Tajiks, Uzbeks and other guest workers), workers, at that time were no different from them. The First World War, for us Russians, did not differ in any way from the Russian-Japanese war and was radically different from the Great Patriotic War. Why do you think?

[Shadow]

Equality and fraternity are good, of course. Another question is that, firstly, the Marxists themselves confine themselves to this, not going beyond the completely egoistic human nature and declaring the construction of a just society from unjust people, and secondly, the Leninist position on the World War is simply meanness, a spit in those who fought and robbing his own people in favor of the defeated enemy without five minutes.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

Equality and fraternity are good, of course. Another question is that, firstly, the Marxists themselves confine themselves to this, not going beyond the completely egoistic human nature and declaring the construction of a just society from unjust people, and secondly, the Leninist position on the World War is simply meanness, a spit in those who fought and robbing his own people in favor of the defeated enemy without five minutes.

Tell me, do you and Potanin have common interests? You, together with Abramovich, probably go to the sea for a vacation? Tell me, will Sechin's son rot in the trenches with you? I do not want any war, I do not need it, then why should I condemn Lenin's position regarding the First World War? I personally do not need "conditional Dardanelles" at all.

[Shadow]

But with Wilhelm and Hindenburg, an ordinary resident of St. Petersburg, Moscow or Nizhny Novgorod had no common interests, especially in the conditions of war with them, and there was communion with the inhabitants of Kiev, Minsk and other cities given for looting and scolding to the invaders, and there was also at least minimal respect for themselves and their compatriots.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

But with Wilhelm and Hindenburg, an ordinary resident of St. Petersburg, Moscow or Nizhny Novgorod had no common interests, especially in the conditions of war with them, and there was communion with the inhabitants of Kiev, Minsk and other cities given for looting and scolding to the invaders, and there was also at least minimal respect for themselves and their compatriots.

You want to say that these are ordinary residents of Minsk, Kiev, unleashed the Russo-Japanese War? They unleashed the first world? Lenin's position was to translate the war into a change in the social formation. In my opinion, he did it very well. The USSR was a state that respected the rights of the majority of the people, modern Russia respects the rights of a miserable minority, to the detriment of the majority. Therefore, the heroes of present-day Russia are such - Kolchak, Mannergain, Krasnov, and monuments will be erected ataman Semenov and Vlasov soon. Because they all fought against communism, and therefore are close in spirit to the current regime.

[Shadow]

Every nation has economic interests - even in a capitalist system.
As for the defeatists' course, it was treacherous and anti-people: a white world was not concluded without annexations and indemnities, but there was a surrender to the enemy, the enemy was almost defeated, for the victory over which the most valiant of the Russians were given their lives, and this enemy was allowed to make the looting of the best and most developed territories, millions were thrown to the mercy of fate - and all under the hypocritical slogans of justice and brotherhood.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

Every nation has economic interests - even in a capitalist system.
As for the defeatists' course, it was treacherous and anti-people: a white world was not concluded without annexations and indemnities, but there was a surrender to the enemy, the enemy was almost defeated, for the victory over which the most valiant of the Russians were given their lives, and this enemy was allowed to make the looting of the best and most developed territories, millions were thrown to the mercy of fate - and all under the hypocritical slogans of justice and brotherhood.

Nonsense, read the primary sources. What kind of "almost defeated enemy" is there, look at the statistics, how much was produced in Germany and Ingushetia (weapons, I mean), you may not know, but Russia did not produce bearings at that time, and what can I say, did not produce domestic needles.

[Shadow]

The best source is the fact that six months after the official end of the war in the east and Germany’s capture of our western provinces, the war ended with the Germans unconditionally accepting all the conditions of the Entente.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

The best source is the fact that six months after the official end of the war in the east and Germany’s capture of our western provinces, the war ended with the Germans unconditionally accepting all the conditions of the Entente.

Maybe you don’t know, but one of the main reasons for the defeat of Germany is the same revolution, coincidence? No, the crisis of the monarchy (in the first approximation).

[Shadow]

Of course, a revolution. The revolution, despite the fact that Germany suddenly even triumphantly ended the campaign in the east and got the resources of the occupied territories, and in the context of the continued struggle by Russia, the enemy’s forces would have exploded even faster. And against this background, consistent capitulation seems to be devoid of even practical meaning.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

Of course, a revolution. The revolution, despite the fact that Germany suddenly even triumphantly ended the campaign in the east and got the resources of the occupied territories, and in the context of the continued struggle by Russia, the enemy’s forces would have exploded even faster. And against this background, consistent capitulation seems to be devoid of even practical meaning.

Would you read if Russia had a combat-ready army at that moment when the surplus-appraisal began, which led to the February Revolution, who and how decomposed the army, about supplying the front with the condition of the rear, etc. The Bolsheviks made peace in Brest, because it was then necessary. The fact that the Germans violated it, the way the countries of Antata behaved, is this the fault of the Bolsheviks?

[Shadow]

Of course you need it. Vitally necessary. The German government, which was the sole beneficiary of the treaty, but not to those people who were under occupation, not to those on whom the burden of satisfying its conditions fell, and not to those who had a shameful spot.
The defeatist position has always been recognized in all societies and cultures, is recognized to this day and will be recognized until the Universe completely falls into the madness of dishonest and criminal, and they don’t favor anywhere and people.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Shadow

Of course you need it. Vitally necessary. The German government, which was the sole beneficiary of the treaty, but not to those people who were under occupation, not to those on whom the burden of satisfying its conditions fell, and not to those who had a shameful spot.

You apparently did not read the previous post.

Quote: Shadow

The defeatist position has always been recognized in all societies and cultures, is recognized to this day and will be recognized until the Universe completely falls into the madness of dishonest and criminal, and they don’t favor anywhere and people.

Tell me, is the unwillingness of the inhabitants of Ukraine to go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine today, is the same "dishonest and criminal"?
In the Brest world, I will try to write an article within two weeks (if there is enough time), with links to the source. To discuss such a large and complex topic in the format of short comments, in my opinion, is stupid.

[Shadow]

Tell me, is the unwillingness of the inhabitants of Ukraine to go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine today, is the same "dishonest and criminal"?

If they do not consider themselves Ukrainians, then it is just criminal and dishonorable to go to serve Ukraine. And who all these years raised a tail on his head, and having received a summons, sharply changed his shoes, he is much worse than the one who went to fight voluntarily.
We’ll wait for the article: the topic really deserves something more than the discussion in the comments section of the news about installing Kolchak’s bust.

[Shadow]

So this is the work of bitards, regular AIBs , these are not fascists, but a much more peculiar people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Diver-SP

Do you think this is the people of Bashkiria?

And the people of Bashkiria do not know for sure who put a monument to Kolchak. But the ears stick out here unambiguously, like the Yeltsin Center.

[purple]

Well, does the monument to Salavat Yulaev not bother you at all?

[polar fox]

Quote: purple

Well, the monument to Salavat Yulaev does not bother you at all

and what was he for whites? or beat off their land from the invaders? what's wrong?

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: polar fox

Quote: purple

Well, the monument to Salavat Yulaev does not bother you at all

and what was he for whites? or beat off their land from the invaders? what's wrong?

Considering that “Pugachevsky Colonel Beloborodov and Salavat Yulaev burned churches in my native town of Lower Sergi and“ planted a goat ”in the blast furnace! That - confuses - however !!!
However, the white-clerks and gentlemen, the white officers, similarly fired from three-inch churches and destroyed blast furnaces !!! It is annoying however !!! True, again, the last of Seryogs were knocked out by the Krasnoufim Bashkirs and Tatars !!! Descendants of Salavat Yulaev.
In this vein, the devil will figure out how to relate to rebels, leaders and heroes of the Civil War !!!
Perhaps balanced, because "there is no great grief when a brother goes to his brother, and his son to his father" !!!
Krasnov is a traitor
Skin is a traitor.
Kolchak - he washed the Urals and Siberia with blood, but at the same time participated in the defense of Port Arthur, northern expeditions and in the First World War!
Seriously, I don’t know a solution that can bring us all together! A century later, the country is divided into white and red, in fact it is a terrible strain that can only be cured by time !!!

[Gennady Korsunov]

The country is not divided into white and red. The country is divided into rich and poor. Who do you know for whom ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gennady Korsunov

The country is divided into rich and poor.

And I think the country is divided into those who are for their country, and those who are for a foreign country.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

And I think the country is divided into those who are for their country, and those who are for a foreign country.

I think that those who for the country do not have cottages and cordon bills

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

I think that those who for the country do not have cottages and cordon bills

Well, I also have a summer residence, but I don’t have any money for the cordon. But I'm just a pauper compared to them, that my cottage is 80 squares and 10 acres, where I plant a garden and live on it.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

my cottage is 80 squares and 10 hundred parts

Well, can this be compared with elite houses? Sorry of course!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

Well, can this be compared with elite houses? Sorry of course!

Yes, I can't even call it a shack, rather "Uncle Tom's hut" compared to Millergo's copy of the Spanish royal palace.

People live beautifully in Russia, not like in the Baltic states, they can.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

People live beautifully in Russia,

but not all. you understand this while driving along Rublevka. The main thing is when there is enough

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

you understand it, driving along Rublevka.

About 25 years he was not in Tuchkovo, where there was an airplane repair plant, he arrived and was surprised.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: tihonmarine

And I think the country is divided into those who are for their country, and those who are for a foreign country.

I think that those who for the country do not have cottages and cordon bills

Dear Sylvester, I have a cottage, a car, an apartment! The truth is "okromya" salary do not have. He held the dollar in his hands, once a bill in 20 green! And that’s all! I lie one more time a friend brought a 100 dollar from Liberia as a gift. The child is still lying somewhere.
And now what does this have to do with the homeland!
I have one fatherland and my well-being in it, I have something to protect and what to fight for, except for a summer residence, a car apartment - family, memory and much more !!!

[New Year day]

Vladislav!

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

family, memory and much more !!!

perhaps this is the most important thing. I’m looking at the running granddaughter and I understand for whom I live, who will continue the clan

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

I have a cottage, a car, an apartment!

the same thing, but with age you understand that these are living conditions and not the most important thing. Although life is very problematic without it

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Considering that “Pugachevsky Colonel Beloborodov and Salavat Yulaev burned churches in my native town of Lower Sergi and“ planted a goat ”in the blast furnace! That - confuses - however !!!

There, among other things, there was a time of church schism, there were things much worse on both sides.

[New Year day]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

which can only heal time !!!

100 years have passed since the civil war, and passions, as you see, do not subside

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

100 years have passed since the civil war, and passions, as you see, do not subside

Well, how can passions subside when the Heroes of their country (from 1917 to 1991) are not erected monuments, but those who fought against this country are erected monuments.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, how can passions subside when the Heroes of their country (from 1917 to 1991) are not erected monuments, but those who fought against this country are erected monuments.

Last night in YouTube I came across a very interesting video, in which it was about tsarism honoring the memory of the heroes of 1812. Surprise, but the same story. After 50-70 years, tsarism erected monuments to the French!
Found

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

it dealt with the tsarist celebration of the memory of the heroes of 1812. Surprise, but the same story.

And I'm not surprised, here is a monument in honor of the fallen soldiers of Napoleon's army, erected in 1997 with the participation of the director of the Center for Napoleonic Studies, Professor Fernand Bocourt.

The monument was created, brought and put on the field by the French with the consent of the Russian ...
But this is a monument to General Monument Borodino ....General Nevelsky did not take prisoners, since he believed that no one had invited the French to Russia[B] [/ b]

And there were such

Glory to our conquerors, death.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Seriously, I don’t know a solution that can bring us all together!

And how can you reconcile good and evil, honor and betrayal, ...?
Is it not a provocation to erect a monument to such a person in our time?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: purple

Well, does the monument to Salavat Yulaev not bother you at all?

And today the monument to Stepan Razin does not bother me at all.

[Cyril G ...]

A promising brave lieutenant, a good staff officer, a bad admiral, and the crown of the failed supreme ruler, the punisher betrayed his people.
A worthy life path however.

[novel66]

if you read his biography - not such a good lieutenant, they write, he was burdened by the service, he even wanted to go to the Anglo-Boer War (though he didn’t go) .. and he had too many "suddenly" in his biography

[Cyril G ...]

First of all, about Port Arthur, I showed courage in battles, personal. And in A about the burden of service, so this can probably be said about 70 percent of the officers of the RIF. Well, you probably know the principles of the formation of the officer corps of the fleet.
Are there any comments on the rest of the points?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I primarily about Port Arthur, showed courage in battles, l

And what kind of courage? That from April to October 1904, being the destroyer commander, like all other destroyers, he was minesweeping. How did he distinguish himself from others by his heroism?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: novel xnumx

..and there were too many "suddenly" in his biography

... And suddenly England and the USA, and the "Supreme Ruler" sweats. Is our word "supreme ruler" ?? And arming with the river, and the recognition and approval of the West. Why is it so necessary, and that is still "approved" and "favored" by the West and, of course, the Russian leaders. And how many diferambs, and how many books (waste paper), already sick.

[svp67]

Quote: Cyril G ...

the punisher betrayed his people.

But can this point be developed ... What do you mean?

[reservist]

Quote: svp67

And can this point be developed ...

take an interest in hereditary Siberians ... those whose ancestors lived under Kolchak ...
It was necessary to somehow contrive, having on hand the gold reserve of the Russian Empire and the absence of landowners in Siberia from the word "in general", to get a partisan movement in the rear of his army ...

[svp67]

Quote: reservist

It was necessary to somehow contrive, having on hand the gold reserve of the Russian Empire and the absence of landowners in Siberia from the word "in general", to get a partisan movement in the rear of his army ...

Yes, at that time the "red" outplayed him, first of all with well-organized propaganda, but you also ask the hereditary Siberians how many more, the "white" partisan movement was operating in the rear of the "red" when it turned out that their words were strong at odds with the case, and most importantly with what methods the "red" extinguished this movement ...

[reservist]

in the "white" there were many of those who fought in the Kolchak army and did not want to leave for Manchuria ...
were the whites' methods "better"?

[svp67]

Quote: reservist

were the whites' methods "better"?

I am not trying to prove it, you are trying to prove that the methods of the "red" to suppress internal resistance were better

[reservist]

Quote: svp67

You are trying to prove that the "red" methods ...

where and when ?
nothing that instead of the topic "how to get a partisan movement in the rear in the presence of a gold reserve of Ingushetia" you turned to the discussion of the topic "collectivization in Siberia"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cyril G ...

A worthy life path however.

You can’t argue with you, I agree.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, now, not to Krasnov, so Kolchak ...

Do not worry, they will deliver the same red.

[FIR FIR]

Kolchak drowned the Urals and Siberia in the blood of Russian people, managed to force the free, in general, not poor Siberian peasantry, to go over to the Reds. Sold with the giblets of England and the United States. Collaborated with the intelligence of France and Japan.
And a monument to him? ...
"In May 1919, Kolchak issued an order that began with the words that it is impossible to forget about the rule of law in wartime, and ended with the fact that the captured Red Army soldiers, if they served voluntarily, can be shot on the spot. But how can this be determined? that many used the order. "

[Basil50]

the leader
For some reason, the current idiots reward frank traitors with unthinkable virtues, almost prosperity.
When I read about how the Negroes of the USA were proud of their * special * attitude from the Mas, who personally ripped it off himself, he didn’t really believe in such a thing.
In today's RUSSIA, a generation has grown that does not believe in the fact that only one hundred and fifty years ago, their great-grandfathers-great-grandmothers were TRADING as a commodity. They don’t believe that just a hundred years ago * the knights of the white movement * their great-grandmothers of their great-grandfathers hung up and shot just because they considered themselves entitled to execute * the vile estate * the rest were mercifully smashed without exception. The rape of women was considered so commonplace that they did not pay attention to it.
The slave trade and the flogged backsides of the ancestors are successfully forgotten, worship of the nobility is cultivated, which, even if it was flogged, the master himself deigned to be angry, and even if he himself, he personally torn it out as if he had awarded the order. Not everyone, well, they say so, sir.

[Shelest2000]

This power has its own heroes. T.ch. not surprising...

[iouris]

The point is clear: Kolchak has Turkic roots, and even Turkish ones.
Interestingly, how is the memory of the first ambassador of the USSR to Saudi Arabia Karim Khakimov in Ufa immortalized? By the way, he was repressed, which was one of the reasons for further complications between the KSA and the USSR (Russia).

[Voltsky]

Well, this character was not so fiercely fussed at the time, looting and other miracles of the civilized world were not alien to him.

[ioan-e]

Quote: Voletsky

Well, this character was not so fiercely fussed at the time, looting and other miracles of the civilized world were not alien to him.

Not for nothing after the Civil War, the most evil males were called Kolchak!

[svp67]

Quote: ioan-e

Not for nothing after the Civil War, the most evil males were called Kolchak!

Surname Gaidar, the same long scared children, so what? There are no angels in the Civil War ...

[Voltsky]

maybe there are no angels, but this is equivalent to the monument to Ivan 4 in Novgorod or Kazan.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Voletsky

maybe there are no angels, but this is equivalent to the monument to Ivan 4 in Novgorod or Kazan.

In fact, you are right!
In Yekaterinburg, the fashion of "design solutions for shopping and entertainment centers" also stirred up painting and sculpture! Where they put the three musketeers, where the Beatles, where the shuttles !!!
So I have a vague doubt that the SEC in Sterlitamak bears the proud name “Admiral”!

[svp67]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

We have in Yekaterinburg

In Yekaterinburg, we have a memorial plaque on Demidov’s house dedicated to Kolchak

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

So I have a vague doubt that the SEC in Sterlitamak bears the proud name “Admiral”!

And the presence of the residential complex "Admiral" in Yekaterinburg does not cause such doubts?

[Voltsky]

well, at least he is not a traitor, he did not join the ranks of a foreign army; yes there was a ghoul, but there were many of them on both sides.

[ioan-e]

Quote: svp67

Quote: ioan-e

Not for nothing after the Civil War, the most evil males were called Kolchak!

Surname Gaidar, the same long scared children, so what? There are no angels in the Civil War ...

I’ll tell you a secret, I still scare my children with the surname Gaidar, not just Arkady, but Yegor!

[svp67]

Quote: ioan-e

I’ll tell you a secret, I still scare my children with the surname Gaidar, not just Arkady, but Yegor!

Each time and people have their own "antiheroes"

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: svp67

Surname Gaidar, the same long scared children and that

This is when it happened ?!

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

This is when it happened ?!

In 1922 in Khakassia, where he is a 17-year-old commander of the regiment of the CHON,

so "nudged" that even the "red" decided to put him on trial, he was saved by the fact that he was recognized as mentally ill and sent for treatment

[Vladimir_2U]

Indeed, confessed surprised, however:

Arkady Golikov was expelled from the party, removed from office, and he was sent for a psychiatric examination.

https://aif.ru/culture/28780
Did the "Administration of the Supreme Ruler of Russia" act in the same way with Kolchak and Semyonovites, or did they commit their incomparably great atrocities with impunity?

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Did the "Administration of the Supreme Ruler of Russia" act in the same way with Kolchak and Semyonovites, or did they commit their incomparably great atrocities with impunity?

Civil war ... there are no "white and fluffy"

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: svp67

Civil war ... there are no "white and fluffy"

Yes, yes. (((

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

There are no angels in the Civil War ...

The most terrible wars are "civil" ones.

[iouris]

Quote: Voletsky

this character was not so weak in his time, looting and other miracles

Really personally? Kolchak headed a completely democratic regime, he was not going to restore the tsarist regime, he fought for ideals that won only in 1991 "after decades of the bloody dictatorship of the CPSU." And they are still developing in "Russia of Democratic Choice", which successfully "grows into Western democracy."

[Voltsky]

Quote: iouris

Really personally? Kolchak led a completely democratic regime

you do not write nonsense; Dzhugashvili, too, if anything, was not personally immoral after taking office; but did he know what was going on ?! definitely knew.
And according to your theory, Kolchak was stupid and blind ?! Well, your business can be considered as such. I do not think so, and it was not in vain that they could not rehabilitate him.

[hhhhhhh]

They didn’t execute him, but carried out the sentence.

[hhhhhhh]

Hitler can be honored as an artist, and Goering as a hero of the First World War

[Barmaleyka]

He believes that if it were not for the Civil War, he would be "honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev." After all, Kolchak was an outstanding scientist and polar explorer.

the question was not who he was but who he became, the Vlasov is the same order bearer and favorite of the Supreme Commander, WAS

[apro]

Yes, a new reality is gradually capturing the vastness of the territory of Russia ... abandonment of the Soviet past for the sake of the capitalist last year ...
New Russia ... new heroes.
To this went and came to this.

[CSKA]

Quote: apro

rejection of the Soviet past

And who refuses the Soviet past?

[apro]

Quote: CSKA

And who refuses the Soviet past?

And you do not know? Who has profits from the public property?

[CSKA]

Quote: apro

who makes a profit with public property?

))))) And who? Have you heard somewhere that Deripaska or Timchenko said that we do not recognize the Soviet past? And what is this general concept of "rejection of the Soviet past"? Like I didn't live in the USSR or what?
And what public property are you talking about here?

[apro]

Quote: CSKA

Have you heard somewhere that Deripaska or Timchenko said that we do not recognize the Soviet past?

And what should they recognize? That these citizens receive unjust income from public property? Which they simply stole .. and underneath this they bring the ideological base in view of the inefficiency. Crime of the USSR.

Quote: CSKA

And what is this general concept of "rejection of the Soviet past"

This is a rejection of a nation-wide state. From the primacy of the public over the personal. From an economy based on a planned system. Excluding profit on your pocket. When the factories. The subsoil belongs to everyone and no one in particular.

[CSKA]

Quote: apro

that these citizens receive not fair income from public property?

This property has never been popular, and why did you get the idea that the income is not fair? You are not very clear. Not fair income - shouldn't that belong to them?

Quote: apro

This is a rejection of a nation-wide state.

What a rant.

Quote: apro

from the primacy of the public over the personal. from an economy based on a planned system. excluding profit on your pocket. when the factories. the subsoil belongs to everyone and no one in particular.

You seem to have created an image of such a state where milk rivers and jelly banks flow straight. But in fact, it was far from all wrong. All plants, mineral resources and everything else belonged to only one - the state and no one else. The very principle of socialism was violated in this. But the fact is that you and the same socialist communists do not even delve into the teachings of your beloved Marx.
The Soviet system did not go beyond the boundaries of capitalism as a mode of production, and in essence was state monopoly capitalism (most of the means of production belong to one monopoly owner - the state).
The system built in the USSR had nothing to do with the Marxist understanding of socialism, since under it there was neither the self-government of the working people, nor the "withering away" of the state, nor public (and not state) ownership of the means of production; alienation, which, according to Marx, must be overcome under socialism.
The party elite was formed, receiving from the state all the best. There was still not a small layer of people with high earnings, but these were either corrupt trade workers or hard workers of the north and heavy industries. The vast majority of the people lived on small salaries, in communal apartments or barracks, unable to afford to buy a car or an apartment. Relatively not a bad period was under Brezhnev, while Kosygin had to carry out reforms, but he was not allowed to carry them out normally.

[apro]

Mr. CSKA, did you live in the USSR? Or did you get information from the voice of America?

Quote: CSKA

This property has never been public.

Whose blood bloody Jewish Bolsheviks were she?
The state controlled public property in the interests of all citizens.

[CSKA]

Quote: apro

Mr. CSKA, did you live in the USSR? Or did you get information from the voice of America?

))))) I lived a little, but for your information you need to draw from the books of the party of the times of the USSR and the radio voices of americosia from many sources of the party.
In fact, you have nothing to answer. In the USSR there was both good and bad, but all property was certainly not public. If the property of the people, then the people can control it, and everything was controlled by the state, and the state is its party elite. Not even everyone in the party could at least have something to influence in governing the state, much less without the party. Therefore, all words about public property are all empty words. You could not decide anything, you decided everything from the top. And of course, you smiled about the interests of citizens. And did they ask the citizens? And if one of the citizens or hundreds of thousands did not want the construction of BAM or a nuclear power plant in the Arctic, for example, then what was it in their interests?

[Tima62]

And the country with which Kolchak later fought, according to Tagir Ibragimov, no longer exists.

Like the one for which he fought.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Tima62

And the country with which Kolchak later fought, according to Tagir Ibragimov, no longer exists.

Like the one for which he fought.

Angry but fair words!
From myself, we will supplement the heirs of both Russia! Soviet Russia and the Russian Empire !!!
And where to go for example to me? The descendant is white later than the red Cossack, the red workers and the ginger, the great-grandson of the mayor, the great-grandson of the repressed fist and NEPOVets, as well as the chairman of the village council, the grandson of the NKV Deshnik and the criminal (the grandfather of his youth dug Belomorkanal), the son of the police and the cop himself, and now the colonel of the internal service of the hated all the police ?????

[New Year day]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

The descendant is white later than the red Cossack, the red workers and the ginger, the great-grandson of the mayor, the great-grandson of the repressed fist and NEPOVets, as well as the chairman of the village council, the grandson of the NKV Deshnik and the criminal (the grandfather of his youth dug Belomorkanal), the son of the police and the cop himself, and now the colonel of the internal service of the hated all the police ?????

Serious pedigree. But you are not the only one in your family who is white, and red, and sitting and not sitting. Alas, that was life.

[regdan]

Is it that Kolchak who betrayed his people and started a civil war? Well, yes, he’s supposed to put monuments to such traitors.

[CSKA]

Quote: regdan

Is it that Kolchak who betrayed his people and started a civil war?

Read the story. Her not Kolchak began.

[Cyril G ...]

The civilian was set on fire because of a mound (a rebellion of the Czech corps), however, such characters as Kornilov, Krasnov and others actively participated in this ....

[CSKA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

The civilian was set on fire because of a mound (a rebellion of the Czech corps), however, such characters as Kornilov, Krasnov and others actively participated in this ....

Civil began after the 1917 Bolshevik coup. The Czechs rebelled in the summer of 2018.

[Cyril G ...]

Will there be evidence? Yes, and the coup was in February if that.

[CSKA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Will there be evidence?

Evidence of what? That the Bolsheviks carried out an armed coup in October? This is commonly known. They seized power by force.

Quote: Cyril G ...

Yes, and the coup was in February if that.

You can, in principle, also say so, new to this situation, Nicholas denied, so that the interim government was legal.

[Cyril G ...]

It was not legal by any side. The abdication was carried out in violation of the procedures. Nicholas did not have the right to renounce for his son. The abdication of Michael is generally a strange story.

[CSKA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

It was not legal by any side. The abdication was carried out in violation of the procedures. Nicholas did not have the right to renounce for his son. The abdication of Michael is generally a strange story.

How legitimate or not the February Revolution was not important. The question is who started the civil war.

[Cyril G ...]

This is a key question if you raised this topic at all.

[CSKA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

This is a key question if you raised this topic at all.

Well, well, under pressure they forced the tsar to abdicate, and then Michael, and there was nothing to be said about Alexei, in those conditions he could not rule.
The interim government was still democratic and represented all segments of the population, even monarchists. But the Bolsheviks who made the coup, in principle, like in February the Provisional Government, did not represent all segments of the population and were actually a dictatorship. The reaction to the dictatorship of one party by force that took power was the creation of an opposing force, on whose side a part of the population became. That is, it was the coup of the Bolsheviks that led to the civil war, and not the February revolution. After it, just the civil war did not start, but after the October war began.

[Cyril G ...]

Civil war in one form or another was inevitable.

[CSKA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Civil war in one form or another was inevitable.

Perhaps given that the Provisional Government was weak and sooner or later, someone would want to take power by force.

[strannik1985]

Well, under pressure they forced the king

I.e. a coup.

That is precisely the revolution of the Bolsheviks

Seriously? Army orders, amnesty in prisons, liquidation of the police department, freedom of speech, press, assembly, strikes, dismissal of local authorities, collapse of the judicial system - all this did not lead to a civil war?

[CSKA]

Quote: strannik1985

I.e. a coup.

And I wrote somewhere that no?

Quote: strannik1985

Seriously? Army orders, amnesty in prisons, liquidation of the police department, freedom of speech, press, assembly, strikes, dismissal of local authorities, collapse of the judicial system - all this did not lead to a civil war?

All this led to the weakness of the Provisional Government during the war, but after the Bolshevik coup and their dictatorship, it led to a civil war.

[strannik1985]

And I wrote somewhere that no?

Those. events equal in their illegality, which are better or worse to look at through a prism are a bit strange, don't you find?

All this led to weakness.

All this led to war - separatists on the outskirts (very conditional, from St. Petersburg to Helsinki 299 km in a straight line), mass desertion from the front, black redistribution in the countryside, riots, for example, Kronshtadtsky, in March 1917. What can I say about struggle with Kornilov VP had to ask for help from his main enemy?

[CSKA]

Quote: strannik1985

Those. events equal in their illegality, which are better or worse to look at through a prism are a bit strange, don't you find?

We do not compare events, we look at the consequences and what they led to. If, after the February Revolution, a year or two had passed, the Bolsheviks would have come to power, this is one thing, but they would have taken it by force, and therefore it was the October Revolution that led to the war.

Quote: strannik1985

All this led to war - separatists on the outskirts (very conditional, from St. Petersburg to Helsinki 299 km in a straight line), mass desertion from the front, black redistribution in the countryside, riots, for example, Kronshtadtsky, in March 1917.

If the EP were strong and at least partly unified, then all issues could be resolved.

Quote: strannik1985

What can I say if, in order to fight the Kornilov VP, I had to ask for help from my main enemy?

Do you mean the Bolsheviks? So at that time they were not enemies of the VP.

[strannik1985]

We do not compare events

What are the choices? What constituent assembly? To hold them, someone must ensure order. Who will provide it if, in response to the rebellion in direct visibility from the capital, the naval minister can only show cookies, and the VP does not have the strength to stop one corps, there is no one to defend the capital.

If EP would be strong

Exactly, if. In February, the air forces are much stronger than in October, due to the actions of the air forces themselves.

Do you mean the Bolsheviks?

Parallel center of power, no need to be a genius to predict the future.

[CSKA]

Quote: strannik1985

What are the choices? What constituent assembly? To hold them, someone must ensure order. Who will provide it if, in response to the rebellion in direct visibility from the capital, the naval minister can only show cookies, and the VP does not have the strength to stop one corps, there is no one to defend the capital.

Well, the fact of the matter is that due to the weakness of the government, nothing was done normally from the very beginning. You take later the period when it was already weak. Since February, in those conditions, it was necessary to change something in a coordinated way, and not to engage in feuds. But that is not the point. Talk about who started the civil war. And an article about the same. Accused of being Kolchak.
You and I can take long steps who and how then made mistakes, but the fact remains that the war began after the October Revolution, and not after the February Revolution, and it began because the Bolsheviks did not have the support of the entire population, but wanted to impose their politics to all and impose by force. The result was that they began to oppose part of the population with different views, whether it be monarchists, anarchists, republicans or nationalists.

[strannik1985]

that the Bolsheviks did not have the support of the entire population, but wanted to impose their policies on everyone and force them.

So this is the norm, not a single ruling party has the support of the entire population, it’s just that the majority are forced to act within the framework of the law, they will imprison them. And at that moment there was no law as such, due to the actions of the Provisional Government. Any power claiming to be the leader in such conditions will be repulsed, simply because there is no opposition from the institutions of power, they themselves are not there, destroyed.
Yes, the Great Patriotic War began after the October Revolution, but its causes were in the February Revolution.

[New Year day]

Quote: regdan

This is the Kolchak who betrayed his people

tell how he betrayed his people ...

[NordUral]

And like this:

As a result of becoming a double Anglo-American agent, Kolchak immediately after the October Revolution of 1917 turned to the English envoy in Japan K. Green with a request to the government of His Majesty the King of England George V to accept him to the service! So, after all, he wrote in his petition: “... I completely put myself at the disposal of His government ...”

“His government” means the government of His Majesty the English King George V! On December 30, 1917, the British government officially granted Kolchak’s request. From that moment, Kolchak had already officially switched to the side of the enemy, dressed in the toga of an ally. Why the enemy ?! Yes, because at that time only the laziest of the agents of England, the United States and the Entente as a whole could not know that, firstly, on November 15 (28), 1917, the Supreme Council of the Entente adopted an official decision on intervention in Russia. Secondly, already on December 10 (23), 1917, the leaders of the Entente's European core - England and France - signed a convention on the division of Russia into spheres of influence! And almost a year later, when the German Empire (and the Austro-Hungarian Empire) was sent to the landfill of History in November 1918, and Kolchak was finally thrown back to Russia, under the patronage of the United States, the Anglo-French allies confirmed that on November 13, 1918 the convention itself or, in the purely legal language, prolonged its effect. And knowing all this and already being a double Anglo-American agent, Kolchak, precisely after the confirmation of this convention under the patronage of the same states, agreed to become allegedly the Supreme Ruler. Therefore, I say that this was also a traitor, officially serving in the service of the enemy! If he simply collaborated (suppose, in the framework of military-technical supplies) with the former allies in the Entente, as many White Guard generals did, this would be one. Even in spite of the fact that they also took upon themselves not too blissful obligations affecting the honor and dignity of Russia. However, they at least de facto acted as something independent, without formally transferring to the service of a foreign state. But Kolchak officially went to the service of Great Britain. And the very admiral Kolchak, who was shot like a mad dog by the Bolsheviks, was not just the self-proclaimed Supreme Ruler of Russia, Admiral Kolchak, whom the Bolsheviks fought against, but the official representative of the English king and his government, who was officially in their service, who tried to dominate all of Russia! The British general Knox, who oversaw Kolchak in Siberia, at one time openly admitted that the British were directly responsible for creating the Kolchak government! All this is now well known, including from foreign sources.

https://newsland.com/user/4296648095/content/oborotnaia-storona-admirala-kolchaka/3886292

[Radical]

The author, specify which local entrepreneur T. Ibragimov is talking about, so that there would be no mistake. In Bashkiria there is a well-known character with the same, I can not say that the installation, but nonetheless - the data. Who do you mean?

[Was mammoth]

Again, perhaps, in a private area? What is it, we are untouchable !!!

[ZVS]

Why then be outraged that monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych are being erected in Ukraine?

[bober1982]

This monument was erected so that it would then be smashed. It would be hard to imagine stupid people pushing their foreheads together, which is more stupid than such a monument, like that, from the point of view of common sense.

[reservist]

and this one, which is in Irkutsk?

I agree with you.

[bober1982]

And this one, too, with all due respect to V.M. Klykov

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bober1982

This monument is erected so that it can then be smashed.

Where I was born, after 1953 they put a stele with the names of the detachment of the CHONovtsy who went out and disappeared somewhere. After a couple of years they destroyed, rebuilt, and in 60 years they destroyed or demolished, and no longer rebuilt.

[bober1982]

This is because the Chonovites were not much different from the Kolchakites.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bober1982

This is because the Chonovites were not much different from the Kolchakites.

Yes exactly. These were the sidekick of Yaroslavsky (he distinguished himself in our country in 1921).

[bober1982]

Quote: tihonmarine

These were the sidekick of Yaroslavsky

A. Golikov (Gaidar), mentioned in the comments, was a psycho, even his Chonov comrades themselves were afraid of him, he shot both strangers and their own.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bober1982

A. Golikov (Gaidar), was crazy, even his Chonov comrades were afraid of him, he shot both strangers and their own.

We didn’t have others, the canoes didn’t reach. Great-grandfather and grandfather will not lie.

[zwlad]

There is a systematic rewriting of history, and this monument is a new page in the new history of Russia.
Soon, the victors in the Second World War will be the arrogant Saxons, the USSR will be exposed as the aggressor who wanted to attack Germany. Well, Germany will be the victim, who had to defend herself against an aggressive USSR, and in order to surely defeat Germany, she had to attack the USSR.
And unfortunately, all this will happen in our lifetime and our great-grandchildren (and possibly grandchildren) will already know another world history.

[Alexey RA]

According to Tagir Ibragimov, Kolchak deserves to be immortalized in his memory. He believes that if it were not for the Civil War, he would be "honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev."

The artist Hitler and the architect Rosenberg fully support Tagir Ibragimov.

[Vladislava_I]

In Russia, the civil war did not abate, its echoes are heard in 21 years. There are no longer red, not white and there is no state built by the red! It existed by historical standards, negligible. And I was always impressed by the whites, so the soul lies with them. Yes, I'm a fan of the Russian Empire. I am sure that it could be reformed in the image of Great Britain. She fluttered as needed. But a weak king, an unnecessary war did their job. Collective farmers came to power without education and imagined themselves rulers. There are always tears in his eyes from the sold-out Hermitage, ruined estates, the destruction of the family business.
The results are even worse. The bloody war, the departure of millions of nobles, scientists, writers. Sikorsky gave the US development, and yet he could leave all the knowledge in Russia. But he was a monarchist just like me by the way.

[north 2]

again, a weak Tsar, a weak Tsar ... But in the Tsar’s retinue, in ministries and departments, in governor’s chairs, there was an old junk with terrible bureaucratic tumors. The narcissism of this old junk spread in the upper echelons of the command of the army and navy. The elite, in any case, even at home in Russia, tried not to speak Russian. And you are all - the Tsar is to blame, the Tsar is to blame ... Yes, he is to blame, but the elite of that then Nikolaev Empire is to blame. I am also a fan of the Russian Empire. And the past Russian Empire and the future Russian Empire, which is now being reborn in such torment. Therefore, we must realize and understand why, under Nicholas II, this Empire was temporarily destroyed ...

[Alt 22]

"Fluttered" - I personally believe that smart, educated, KNOWING HISTORY people cannot be fans of white scum.
You just read about the horrific conditions in which people lived in 1917. The people revolted for a reason, the people revolted not because of the Bolsheviks - but because of the 11-hour working day, the lack of workers' rights, the average life expectancy of 30 years, the highest the level of infant mortality and many other "achievements" of the "fluttering" tsarist regime.
Personally, I am aware of the numerous mistakes of the Bolsheviks. My ancestors fled from dispossession in Ukraine. But I am more worried about the whole Russian people - and I understand well that without the Bolsheviks, without Stalin's industrialization, RI would have remained an agrarian country with backward industry, and would have collapsed under the blows of the Nazis - with all the sad consequences for the Russian people. The interests of the PEOPLE are higher than insults to the crimes of the regime, if, according to the results of his reign, the Russians were able to survive. Survive, and double its number, together with other peoples of the USSR to build a powerful country, which the current regime is consistently destroying .... I wish you to understand this.

[Vasyan1971]

He believes that if it were not for the Civil War, he would be "honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev."

Lovely! The only trouble is that with his "exploits", this polar explorer trampled into the mud all his previous life. If not for the First World War, Hitler would have remained a mediocre artist.
And, if Mr. Ibragimov is so fanatical about Kolchak, he would put his idol in his garden, and he would drag himself there for his own pleasure. And Kolchak already "immortalized" the memory of himself enough.

[DPN]

In 1991, people were deceived or people were afraid of who they liked, while they began to buy the titles of princes, counts and others, now they are returning to historical times. That is, White turned out to be friendlier and richer and of course a lot of money rules the ball, their time has returned.

[Shadow]

Excuses. It's easy to say "I was cheated" instead of "I sold out." After all, it was not out of pure moral aspiration that people invested in MMM, enthusiastically listened to trams that promised each a piece of the plundered economy and stood up for a system that presupposes a constant and all-encompassing confrontation of individuals for the right to take a sip of slop from the trough.

[Free wind]

Here is the news, so the news, to blame someone else, but eat yours in a bite.

[Lord of the Sith]

What kind of contra deletes my comments? Who covers the white executioner and the ghoul?
First Kolchak, then the fascist henchmen will put busts?

[Old partisan]

But there are no two opinions. At least in Siberia. Old people remembered every parish of Kolchak residents in the villages of the hamlet. And certainly it was not for nothing that he was shot and drowned.
But in general, this is the policy of the highest echelon of the country. To erect monuments commemorative plaques to all freaks.

[Vladislava_I]

The Reds flutter in the comments, it seems they forgot that since the year 91 their country has collapsed to the applause of the residents themselves.

[Rusfaner]

A bust of Kolchak was installed in Bashkiria (s)

Your deeds are wonderful, Lord !!!
Why are you depriving the mind of your children?

[north 2]

the story is not what they told, but what it was. And what was recorded in archival affairs and in
other recorded materials that are stored in archives. There are also cases with witnesses.
readings supported by photographs and films. And most importantly, it does not write cases and documents for state-historical archives as fantasies or fiction for the readership, and even with the seasoning of propaganda. He writes such cases and documents scrupulously truthfully, and it does not matter what content they end up with - anti-state and or for the state, for the people or against the people. These archival materials reflect the truth precisely because their reading
few are allowed even after fifty or more years. So you need to trust only the archives that
they write about Kolchak. And the royal archives and Soviet archives. And neither liberal propagandists nor communist propagandists need to be trusted. Only in this way can historical figures be known about such figures as Kolchak. Otherwise, the constant distorted history of the state can bring the state to collapse from within. Because self-deception always has disastrous consequences, and not centuries later, in the very short term ..

[Krasnoyarsk]

= According to Tagir Ibragimov, Kolchak deserves to be immortalized in his memory. He believes that if it were not for the Civil War, he would be "honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev." After all, Kolchak was an outstanding scientist and polar explorer. The maps of the Arctic, compiled by the future leader of the White movement, are used in our time. He also made a major contribution to the defense of Port Arthur during the Russo-Japanese War. And the country with which Kolchak fought later, according to Tagir Ibragimov, no longer exists. =
1. This is just the opinion of some Tagir.
2. If each "tagir", having his own opinion, will erect, albeit at his own expense, monuments to anyone, then where will we come? To the monuments to Hitler, Mussolini, Bandera, Mazepa? After all, Russia is big and there will definitely be admirers of these historical characters.
3. No matter how learned Kolchak was, he tarnished his name with a war with the people, which, in essence, was obliged to serve. Because it was precisely this people who fed, clothed, shoeed and armed them with their labor.
4. By erecting a monument to Kolchak, he simultaneously erects a monument to the Kiev regime fighting against the rebellious people of Donbass.

[Sklendarka]

Felix returned to the Lubyanka?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Skalendarka

Felix returned to the Lubyanka?

We will return power, we will return Felix.

[Sklendarka]

We have it in the same place, between the Dynamo stadium and the KGB building ...
It is ridiculous to say of course, but only the priests could sculpt Gapon ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Skalendarka

Felix returned to the Lubyanka?

The fate of the mosaic with Stalin from the temple of the Ministry of Defense is determined

A new location of the mosaic with the image of the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin was determined - according to the decision of the Russian Orthodox Church, it will be a museum in the territory of the Patriot complex near Moscow, and not the main temple of the Russian Armed Forces located in this complex, as previously assumed. This was in an interview with RIA Novosti the head of the Expert Council of the Russian Orthodox Church on church art, architecture and restoration Archpriest Leonid Kalinin.

“We nevertheless decided that the museum is more appropriate than the temple. Why give birth to some kind of confrontation and strife among the people? We must be together, we are citizens of one country and one Orthodox faith, peace and love are most important for us, ”Kalinin said. The reason for this decision about the future fate of the mosaic, according to him, was “outright rejection” and “flames surrounding the image of passion”.

[Cyril G ...]

Kolchak deserves to be immortalized.

I wonder why? Like a great naval commander? So it wasn’t like that.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: svp67

In any case, Kolchak was for one and indivisible ...

And he would have ruthlessly smashed ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: AlexVas44

Quote: svp67

In any case, Kolchak was for one and indivisible ...

And he would have ruthlessly smashed ...

But were the Bolsheviks opposed, one and indivisible?
As life has shown - very much - for.

[Sklendarka]

And these people will forbid me to pick my nose ...

[NordUral]

After all, nothing is washed, not by washing, so they are dragging along with skating.

[maxxavto]

Dmitry Puchkov Goblin on YouTube an interesting video about Kolchak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGj8U4yh4I

[RUSS]

Quote: maxxavto

Dmitry Puchkov Goblin on YouTube an interesting video about Kolchak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGj8U4yh4I

How long has the former cop Goblin become a historian?

[maxxavto]

did you watch

[Looking for]

Kolchak had to put the dead in the loop.

[user]

[quote] It was created by sculptor Aleksey Dikunov from Voronezh at the expense of local entrepreneur Tagir Ibragimov. [quote]

They already hung you, hung you and dipped you in a well (the torture well is called), and you put all the monuments.

Even what to say words are not some expressions.

[Eun Ying]

Kolchak is an agent of Britain, an enemy of Russia (Soviet), it's like putting a monument to fascist Mannerheim

[faterdom]

I would forbid the installation of monuments to the personalities of the Civil War for 200 years after that. This, in my opinion, is the period when their deeds and they themselves will no longer have mass admirers or opponents, which causes displeasure in society. To intransigence.
And regardless of the fact that he is a "polar explorer", a "grand master of mine warfare" like Kolchak, or an explorer of Central Asia, like Mannerheim.
We see how strata recently boiled over in the USA about the personalities of their Civil War - again, almost before the war, and after all, 150 years have passed!
But the French are no longer seething in the stomach from Marat or Robespierre, but the Paris Commune has fans.

[Aviator_]

After all, Kolchak was an outstanding scientist and polar explorer. Maps of the Arctic, compiled by the future leader of the White movement, are used in our time.

Nonsense of a local potbelly stove.

[silverwolf88]

ended his days as a traitor to the Motherland (swore allegiance to the British crown) and a killer of the people (some of his black hussars were worth ... a bunch of rapists and murderers) ... the figure is definitely not an example for Russia ... it's time to tie up busts with monuments and boards in his honor ... there is no hero ... there is an opportunist and executioner in the service of the Entente ...

[23424636]

Bashkir Tatars erect a monument to the Russian leader of the movement, whose slogan - "Russia is one indivisible" does not fit into the concept of the current St. Petersburg polishers of the huge loss of the territory of All-Russia. which Yeltsyn led through the Belovezhsky agreement. Kolchak as a reproach to the current Moscow-Russia get-together to keep within the borders of 1914.

[Arthur 85]

Um, did this morally "wonderful" person in all respects have at least one chance to keep Russia even within the borders of 1992?

[Old tanker]

With this logic, it’s possible to put a monument to Hitler. Not as a ghoul and a tyrant, but as an artist. And even more profitable, you can sign that the monument is not to Hitler, but to Schicklgruber

[viktor_ui]

Civil war ... this is the ugliness of those in power, in which NORMAL compatriots become beasts in relation to each other. All wars are made by high-ranking bastards, and people are paying for their imperious mediocrity, greed and stupidity.

[Cyril G ...]

The Civil War is the consequence of all the policies pursued by the highest empire of the Empire since the mid-19th century. Since the liberation of the peasants without land, and the land in the mortgage for 49 years, not admitting to education and other.

[Alt 22]

Let me remind you that Kolchak, a war criminal, whom even the Russian courts refused to rehabilitate.
Russia, where are you going ??? Ukraine also began its fall with installations to the monuments to Shukhevych and Bandera ...

[magdama]

Admiral Kolchak is a worthy person whom Russia is proud and will be proud of. And in a civil war there are no right and guilty, Each has its own truth.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: magdama

Admiral Kolchak is a worthy person whom Russia is proud and will be proud of. And in a civil war there are no right and guilty, Each has its own truth.

Who gave you the right to speak on behalf of Russia?

[Pvi1206]

words cannot be ejected from a song, but from the story - its characters ...
history, whatever it is, should not be forgotten ...

[Brigadier]

"...if not for the Civil War, he "would have been honored no less than Konstantin Tsiolkovsky or Dmitry Mendeleev"

Powerful excuse!
The "specialist" in "stories" is immediately visible ...

It seems that now we have to wait for the appearance of a heap of monuments to various enemies and traitors of our people just because they will have a powerful excuse - "if..."

I understand that if it were not for the ill-fated attack on the USSR that ended in the collapse of fascism, would the Austrian artist Adolf Schicklgruber be honored no less than Strauss or Goethe?

And what will happen now? We need to wait for the installation of a monument to Hitler in Germany?

FULL IDIOTISM !!!

[Arthur 85]

It is strange why monuments to our Heroes are demolished in Europe? It would seem, what does Kolchak have to do with it?

[Felix Chuykov]

A letter to the workers and peasants

"Comrades! The Red troops liberated the entire Urals from Kolchak and began the liberation of Siberia. The workers and peasants of the Urals and Siberia greeted Soviet power with enthusiasm, for it sweeps away with an iron broom all the landowners and capitalist bastards who have tortured the people with extortions, bullying, flogging, restoration of tsarist oppression . ...
Here are the main five lessons that all workers and peasants, all working people, must learn ... in order to insure themselves against the repetition of the calamities of Kolchakism.
First lesson. To protect the power of workers and peasants from robbers, that is, from landowners and capitalists, we need a powerful Red Army. ...
Second lesson. The Red Army cannot be strong without large state reserves of bread ...
Third lesson. In order to completely destroy Kolchak and Denikin, it is necessary to observe the strictest revolutionary order, it is necessary to observe the holy laws and regulations of the Soviet government and to monitor their implementation by all. ...
The fourth lesson. It’s criminal to forget not only that Kolchakism began with trifles, but also that they helped her to be born ... Mensheviks ... and Socialist-Revolutionaries ... It's time to learn how to evaluate political parties according to their affairs, and not according to them . ...
Fifth lesson. To destroy Kolchak and Kolchak, to prevent them from rising again, all the peasants should not hesitate to make a choice in favor of the workers' state. The peasants are scared ... by the scarecrow of the "dictatorship of one party", the party of the Bolshevik Communists.
On the example of Kolchak, peasants learned not to be afraid of a scarecrow.
Either the dictatorship (i.e. iron power) of the landowners and capitalists, or the dictatorship of the working class.
There is no middle ground. Dreaming about the middle is in vain barchat, intellectuals, gentlemen, poorly studied from bad books. Nowhere in the world there is and cannot be. Either the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (covered by the lush Socialist-Revolutionary and Menshevik phrases about democracy, constituency, freedoms, etc.), or the dictatorship of the proletariat. He who has not learned this from the history of the whole XIX century is hopeless. ...
The workers' state is the ruthless enemy of the landowner and the capitalist, the speculator and the swindler, the enemy of private ownership of land and capital, the enemy of the power of money.
The workers' state is the only true friend and helper of the working people and the peasantry. ... Soviet power - this is what "dictatorship of the working class" actually means ... "
V. I. Lenin "Letter to the workers and peasants about the victory over Kolchak"
Pravda No. 190
28 1919 of August

Horizontal climbed vertically,
Comes up with new taxes.
Now taxes are the main detail,
So that the head is controlled by the legs.
"Decisions" are made "above" -
The "working cattle" will pay for everything.
Everyone has heard of "coronavirus" -
Imperial companion of self-quarantine.
YouTube is bursting with useless words,
The hippodrome is not keeping pace with the photo -
Bottles, cans of selfless firewood
Selfish wind nails to the field.
Selector law is not for everyone.
State farm horseradish shorter than the webinar.
Therefore government sin
Longer than the sliders of the globe.
The hour of the people's court will come -
The ladder will be covered with oil.
Great dictatorship of labor
We will overcome all our sorrows.

Felix Chuykov

16 May 2020 years

[Bashibuzuk1]

In the wake of "Novorossiysk patriotism", I do not write Russian history is slowly being rewritten. \
Everyone knows: the most cruel are religious and civil wars.
To lament about the atrocities of the Reds, in my opinion, is not entirely appropriate - the atrocities of the Whites have surpassed the Reds.
Kolchak was a good naval officer, this cannot be taken away.
But, there is a big BUT: the civil war. It was not for nothing that entire villages went to the Red partisans because of their "love" for Kolchak.
Well, but there is nothing to say about the Russian intelligentsia, V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin correctly described it. To whom it is necessary - look.
The USSR is far across the throat due to the calm life of the common people.
About the 30s: read the history of the CPSU correctly. Do not forget about Bronstein (Leon Trotsky) and his plans for the world revolution and its "wood" - the Russian people.
Jews - do not write anything in response, with you everything is clear. Leon Trotsky's work on "the most powerless nation in the Russian Empire" and its consequences in the history of the USSR.

[Plastmaster]

The sad thing is that there is a layer of youth who do not know history and how it was. But they are interested in blowing for whites, kings, kolchaks. Not understanding who they would be in that system.

[Owl]

With the help of "Manerheim boards" and "Kolchak busts" they divide the Russian People and inflate mutual hatred among different representatives of the population of Russia, in order to prevent the unification of the People in the struggle against the main, main enemy of Russia - the corrupt traitors to the capitalists (the "guarantor" and his "friends -oligarchs ").

[AleBors]

Kolchak is an English spy and traitor to the Russian people. So we get to the busts of Vlasov

[Ru_Na]

To be honest, Kolchak is an ambiguous personality in our history! On the one hand, a scientist-oceanographer, a participant in polar expeditions, who made a significant contribution to the study of the north and the Arctic, on the other, a traitor to his country!

[Tutahamon]

Quote: Ru_Na

To be honest, Kolchak is an ambiguous personality in our history! On the one hand, a scientist-oceanographer, a participant in polar expeditions, who made a significant contribution to the study of the north and the Arctic, on the other, a traitor to his country!

I agree the personality was... And as a military admiral!
But in this battle of the Civil War, I got used to absolute submission ..
Like his many comrades-in-arms in the “white movement”... hang half of Russia, flog the rest and become soldiers... So they hanged themselves! The Russian people made their choice and were not mistaken. The USSR created such a country and a world power!
Which will forever remain in the history of mankind, as a creator and winner! For this they destroyed it and Stalin was erased from history..

[Alex DHG]

So it seems that he has still not been officially rehabilitated and is listed among the ranks of war criminals. By the way, he was an agent of British intelligence.

[lelik613]

A hundred years have passed and nothing has changed.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, now, not to Krasnov, so Kolchak ...

Are they equal for you?
Who fought with the Bolsheviks and fought against the Soviet people?
If they are equal, then the Maidan for your neighbors is a sacred event. Sort yourself out.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Ru_Na

To be honest, Kolchak is an ambiguous personality in our history! On the one hand, a scientist-oceanographer, a participant in polar expeditions, who made a significant contribution to the study of the north and the Arctic, on the other, a traitor to his country!

Which one is not clear? An officer. General Defender of Motherland. Oath of allegiance. You are not right. For him, other behavior is inconceivable. That was the only way he could act.
Bring this forward to today. Debauchery in Moscow. Navalny and Kasparov on the barricades. The Shvonders and Sharikovs are slaughtering the police and military just because they swore allegiance to Russia. The Shenderovichs and Ganapolskys sit in the State Duma. How will normal officers devoted to their homeland behave?
Will they run over to the bandit camp?
I lost my mind completely, I forgot how to think.

[vkd.dvk]

"Landing" from a country at war with Russia:

1917. Who rode in the notorious sealed carriage.
PASSENGERS OF SELLED CARS,
missed by Germany to Russia in 1917.


Lenin wagon


Abramovich Maya Zelikovna
Eisenbund Meer Kivovich
Armand Inessa Fedorovna
Goberman Mikhail Vulfovich
Grebelskaya Fanya
Kon Elena Feliksovna
Konstantinovich Anna Evgenievna
Krupskaya Nadezhda Konstantinovna
Lenin (Ulyanov) Vladimir Ilyich
Linde Johann-Arnold Johannovich
Miringof Ilya Davidovich
Miringof Maria Efimovna
Mortochkina Valentina Sergeevna (wife of Safarov)
Payneson Semyon Gershovich
Pogosskaya Bunya Hemovna (with son Reuben)
Ravich Sarra Nakhumovna
Radek (Sobelson) Karl Bernhardovich
Radomyslskaya Zlata Evnovna
Radomyslsky-Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) Ovsha-Gershen Aronovich
Radomyslsky Stefan Ovsheevich
Rivkin Zalman-Burke Oserovich
Rosenblum David Mordukhovich
Safarov (Voldin) Georgy Ivanovich
Skovno Abram Anchilovich
Slyusareva Nadezhda Mikhailovna
Sokolnikov (Diamond) Hirsch Yankelevich
Suliashvili David Sokratovich
Usievich Grigory Alexandrovich
Kharitonov Moses Motkovich
Tskhakaya Mikhail Grigorievich

RSDLP

Avdeev Ivan Ananievich (with wife and son)
Axelrod Tovia Leizerovich (with wife)
Pharmacist Joseph Vasilievich
Asiriani Sosipatr Samsonovich
Astrov (Hang) Isaac Sergeevich
Baugidze Samuil Grigorievich
Belenky
Belenky Zakhary Davidovich (with wife and child)
Bogrova Valentina Leonidovna
Bronstein Roza Abramovna
Vanadze Alexander Semenovich
Voikov (Weiner) Pinhus Lazarevich
Geronimus Iosif Borisovich
Gersten
Gishvaliner Petr Iosifovich
Gogiashvili Polikarp Davidovich (with wife and child)
Gohblit Matvey Iosifovich
Gudovich
Dobrovitsky Zakhary Leibovich
Doidze Solomon Yassevich
Zhvif (Makar) Semen Moiseevich
Ioffe David Nakhumovich (with his wife)
Kogan Vladimir Abramovich
Kogan Israel Iremevich (with wife and child)
Kopelman
Christy Mikhail Petrovich
Lebedev (Polyansky) Pavel Ivanovich (with wife and child)
Levina
Levin Iohim Davidovich
Levitman Liba Berkovna
Lunacharsky Anatoly Vasilyevich
Lyudninskaya
Manevich Abram-Evel Izrailevich (with wife)
Manuilsky Dmitry Zakharovich
Martov (Cederbaum) Julius Osipovich
Martynov (Picker) Semen Yulievich (with wife and child)
Mgeladze Vlasa Dzharismanovich
Movshovich Moses Solomonovich (with wife and child)
Muntyan Sergey Fedorovich (with his wife)
Nazariev Mikhail Fedorovich
Orgerovsky Mark (with wife and child)
Orlov (Mender) Fedor Ivanovich
Ostashkinskaya Roza Hirsch-Arapovna
Pevzaya Victor Vasilievich
Pshiborovsky Stefan Vladislavovich
Plastinin Nikanor Fedorovich (with wife and child)
Pozin Vladimir Ivanovich
Rabinovich (Scenrer) Pilya Iosifovna
Wrightman (with wife and child)
Rosenblum German Haskelevich
Rokhlin Mordha Wulfovich
Ruzer Leonid Isaakovich (with his wife)
Ryazanov (Goldendach) David Borisovich
Sagredo Nikolai Petrovich (with his wife)
Sadokaya Joseph Bezhanovich
Semkovsky (Bronstein) Semen Yulievich (with his wife)
Sokolinskaya Gitlya Lazarevna (with her husband)
Sokolnikov (with a child)
Stroeva
Turkin Mikhail Pavlovich
Finkel Moses Adolfovich
Khaperiya Konstantin Alekseevich
Shaykman Aaron Leibovich
Shifrin Nathan Kalmanovich
Erenburg Ilya Lazarevich

BUND

Abramovich (Rhine) Rafail Abramovich (with wife and two children)
Alter Estera Izrailevna (with a child)
Barak
Boltin Leyser Haimovich
Weinberg Markus Aaronovich
Halperin
Diment Leiser Nakhumovich
Drankin Wolf Meerovich (with wife and child)
Dreisenstok Anna Meerovna
Zanin Mayrom Monashevich
Idelsson Mark Linmanovich
Ioffe Pincus Ioselevich
Clavier Lev Solomonovich
Office Samuel-Srul Davidovich
Levit (Gellert-Levit) Eidel Meerovna (with a child)
Lerner David
Lipnin Judah Leibovich
Lyubinsky Mechislav-Abram Osipovich (with wife and child)
Luxembourg Moses Solomonovich
Makhlin Taiva-Zeylik Zelmanovich
Meerovich Movsha Gilelevich
Nakhimzon Meer Itskovich
Pinlis Meer Bentsianovich
Rakov Moses Ilyich
Rosen Chaim Judovich (with his wife)
Svetitsky A.A.
Skeptor Yakov Leibinovich
Slobodsky Valentin Osipovich
Tusenev Isaac Markovich
Hefel Abram Yakovlevich
Zuckerstein Solomon Srulevich (with two children)
Scheinberg
Sheinis Iser Haimovich

Socialist Revolutionaries (Socialist Revolutionaries)

Landless (Ustinov) Alexey Mikhailovich
Belyaeva (Ures) Maria Alexandrovna (with a child)
Bobrov (Natanson) Mark Andreevich (with his wife V.I. Alexandrova)
Vesnstein Israel Aronovich
Vinogradova Elizaveta Ievrovna
Gavronsky Dimitri Osipovich
Dakhlin David G. (with wife and child)
Hookah Evgenia Nikolaevna
Klyushin Boris Izrailevich (with wife)
Levinzon Meer Abramovich (with wife and child)
Lunkevich Zoya Pavlovna
Perel Rebekah
Proshyan Tron Pershovich
Rosenberg Lev Iosifovich (with wife and two children)
Ulyanov Grigory Karlovich
Tendelevich Leonid Abramovich (with wife and two children)
Freifeld Lev Vladimirovich (with wife and child)

Anarcho-Communists

Butsevich Alexander Stanislavovich
Vyugin Yakov (with wife and children)
Giterman Abram Moiseevich (with wife and child)
Goldstein Abram Borisovich
Lipditz. Olga (with a child)
Maximov (Yastrzhembsky) Timofey Fedorovich
Miller Abram Lipovich (with wife and two children)
Rivkin Abram Yakovlevich
Rubinchik Efraim-Abram Aronovich
Segalov Abram Vulfovich (with his wife)
Skutelsky Joseph Isaakovich
Toybiseman Vetya Izrailevna
Shmulevich Esther Isaakovna
Justin David

Social Democrats of the Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania

Goldblum Roza Mavrikievna
Urban Ernst Ivanovich (with wife and child)
Schuster Ivan Germanovich

Polish Socialist Party

Kon Felix Yakovlevich (with daughter and son-in-law)
Lapinsky (Levinson) Meer Abramovich
Shpakovsky Jan-Ignatius Alexandrovich

Poalei ционion (Zion workers)

Volovnina Alassa Ovseevna
Cara

Zionist Socialists

Dines Rivka Haimovna
Rosenberg Lev Iosifovich

Social Democratic Party of Lithuania

Martna Mikhail Yuryevich

other

Averbukh Shmul-Leiba Iosifovich
Balabanova Angelika Isaakovna
Braginsky Monus Osipovich
Goniondsky Joseph Abramovich
Siefeld Arthur Rudolfovich
Karadzhay Georgy Artemievich (with his wife)
Kimmel Johann Voldemarovich
Makarova Olga Mikhailovna
Mararam Elya Evelchevna
Meisner Ivan (with wife and two children)
Odoevsky (Severov) Afanasy Semenovich
Okudzhava Vladimir Stepanovich
Rashkovsky Haim Punkusovich
Slobodsky Solomon Mordkovich
Sokolov Pavel Yakovlevich
Stuchevsky Pavel Vladimirovich
Troyanovsky Konstantin Mikhailovich
Shapiro Mark Leopoldovich

And how will a RUSSIAN officer react to this?

[lelik613]

Definitely run to hire yourself into the service of the British!

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: magdama

Admiral Kolchak is a worthy person whom Russia is proud and will be proud of. And in a civil war there are no right and guilty, Each has its own truth.

Who gave you the right to speak on behalf of Russia?

Who gave you this right?

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Graz

theoretically, let the monument stand, then there should be an inscription about its main deeds and not only good ones, but also showing its dark side

This is not written on the monument. If you don't have a head, then it's useless to write. If you have it, fill it with knowledge.

[colotun]

I fully approve of this decision of the Bashkir people,
Kolchak = a famous Russian military admiral and a great scientist - geographer!!!

[fighter angel]

Kolchak's BUST WAS DISMOUNTED TODAY.
It was already in the news during the day.
I DID NOT STAY FOR TWO DAYS!
He was pulled from the pedestal with a noose by the neck, loaded into a KAMAZ and taken away in an unknown direction!
Hurray, comrades!

[Kuzmitsky]

They also say that the Civil War in Russia ended 100 years ago. Looks like it's still going on. Some are red, others are white.
It is correct that there are no freely sold weapons in the country. It's still early for us.