Archive of the CPSU OK 1963: party affairs, affairs of ordinary people

Archive of the CPSU OK 1963: party affairs, affairs of ordinary people

A shot from the movie "Communist" (1957). I would like to see every builder of a new society like this. But really, most of them were completely different. And they didn’t strain, and they didn’t carry around their pocket, and they loved to drink (and not only drink). In a word, they were the most ordinary people, and not at all knights without fear and reproach


“Soviet Russia, formed on the ruins of the Russian Empire, began to build a completely new kind of state. And for such a grand transformation, the country needed competent, ideological, convinced people. And where could they be taken? From which country could experts be invited? The answer is obvious - there is no such country and there are no such specialists. That is, the country, its leadership had to work with the "material" that was. And what was the essence of this “material”, it can be seen from the newspaper articles that you helpfully provided. ”
demo (van)


History and documents. Interest in documents of our past on “VO” is permanent, although sometimes it seems that materials on this topic are read by their commentators through glasses with curved glasses. They read anything in them, and see the bad, even where it had never happened. But the most interesting is the arguments of some of them. Say, we were not lucky with the people who had to become the builder of socialism. Although the people, after all, our revolutionaries especially did not ask. They drove everyone together and then for some reason they were surprised that the different beech-books there “made their way and fall apart.” Imagine that someone from their corns was right and well fed, and someone from their bedsores is poor and hungry? And then the order - "dispossess%". And How? The most that is called "that" to settle scores. After all, most of all people do not like what? The same thing: the intellectual superiority of another person. They can put up with physical strength: “God gave!”, With beauty. But in the sense of intelligence ... well, no, like this: I am mediocrity, but he is a smart guy? “He put on his glasses, and even with a hat!” “But Mikola, take a look, the vow gave vodka not to drink and look at it - it plows!” No, with the people at the same time ... Oooo, warrior! ”

And then you can’t do anything. Such human “material” went to the builders of socialism, and they could not redo it. Failed? Yes, and this is best said by personal files stored in the funds of party archives and, in particular, in the funds of the Penza OFOPO GAPO. In one of the previous materials, we examined the personal affairs of the communists of 1938. But 25 years have passed, and ... before us is a new bundle of affairs. True, this time the names of the defendants will be changed, since 70 years have not passed since that time. But here, as always, there is a link to the source and the pages of the case will even be indicated: “Minutes of meetings of the CPSU OK from January 14 to March 18, 1963. Fund 5893. Op. 1. Unit hr 1". Cases will be shown a little, but they are all very revealing ...


The difficulty with local, and not only local, archives is that their materials are not digitized. They are kept in the old fashioned way and the file cabinet on them is still the same ... pre-revolutionary. Therefore, a huge number of people who own computers cannot use this information. And there is neither money, nor equipment to transfer all this mass of papers into a "number"!

Well, we start with ... biology. Yes, yes, with her, to show that no heroism, education, dedication and other positive qualities of the “builder of communism” were stronger than what? The call of nature!

So, we read.

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#8. Listened to:
Case Sh ... on Kh. Kh., Born in 1924, member of the CPSU since December 1944, party ticket No. 03765114. Russian, employee, higher education.

In the Soviet Army he served from 1942 to 1948 as a cadet, commander tank, deputy battery commander ... From 1950 to 1962 he worked in the police department. Awarded with medals ...

During the period of bringing to party responsibility, he worked as the deputy director for cultural and educational work of the construction school No. 1 of the city of Penza, and is currently being detained by court decision.

Excluded from the ranks of the CPSU for moral degradation, expressed in the occupation of sodomy. On April 25, 1963, a regional court sentenced him to 3 years and 6 months in prison. The decision of the lower party organization OK CPSU approved.

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But the indicated comrade probably knew about the article for “non-traditional orientation” and for the fact that he would be immediately chased out of the party if he got caught. He knew, he could not but know. But the "call of nature" was stronger. Such are the people, and there were many of them whether we like it or not (p. Of the indicated document 187.12).

Read on. There is also a "call", but a slightly different plan. Loud call ... mamons!

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# 7 They listened: the case of Mo ... howl MM, born in 1912, member of the CPSU since 1952, party ticket No. 02456400. Russian, office worker, incomplete secondary education. During the period of bringing to party responsibility, she worked as a senior accountant in the association of preschool institutions of the Penza branch of the Kuibyshev Railway. Currently in custody.

The essence of the matter: May ... in complicity with the manager of the nursery No. 18, the accountant ... and the manager of the nursery ... systematically since 1962, they have been engaged in theft of material values ​​belonging to the nursery.

On April 12, 1962, 20 meters of jacquard material was obtained for the nursery, which the abovementioned persons appropriated and divided. Also stole carpets, flannel, tablecloths, bedspreads: 5 tablecloths, 50 meters flannel, 5 meters tapestry. The kitchen equipment worth 84 rubles was stolen, and the person involved took 15 plates, a meat grinder, a pot and spices for spice.

In total, 547 rubles were appropriated, and 100 r.

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First, the thief was severely reprimanded with entering into the account card. But since she was prosecuted and imprisoned, she was expelled from the party (p. 4.10).

Let’s see one more “thieves’s case”, in which E ... s E.E., born in 1927, was a Russian, a worker, a lower education, who worked at the Kuznetsk shoe factory. March 13, 1963 the bureau of the Kuznetsk KR CPSU expelled him from the ranks of the CPSU for the theft of 17 sheets of steel from the factory. He worked as an forwarder and ... abused the position in self-serving whole. In life, he behaved inappropriately, abused alcohol, was repeatedly discussed by a team of workers and at a party bureau, but he didn’t draw any conclusions and continued to slide downhill! The driver Ka ... in offered him iron, he gave him 50 rubles, and he took him home to E ... ov, where the police found him. For all this, he was unanimously expelled from the ranks of the CPSU, and the regional committee approved this decision (p. Of this document 6.7).

So, it is obvious that they stole something, and, of course, with the volumes of the fact that today the same FSB officers are stealing from us, it is not comparable. But the principle is important. A drop wears away a stone - it has been said for a long time and very accurately. First we take to the party ... a worker without education, then it turns out that he is stealing and getting drunk. A woman steals from children! What morality do you need to have in order to do this? But she went for the sake of several pots. What is this talking about? About the extreme poverty of our then “homo sovieticus”, in the eyes of which even a couple of pots and a free meat grinder - “and even bread!” And there were many. And someone came across, and someone did not, while others got off with a reprimand and went to steal "the little things." Humanly, this is all understandable, but it is impossible to imagine that people with such morality would raise worthy children who would then not glance at what lies badly. And such morality was expressed in a very revealing phrase: no matter how much you steal from the state, you cannot return the stolen from you!

However, the most interesting personal matter we have to read now.

The essence of the matter is as follows: EU A.U., party ticket No. 1258966 (canceled), Russian, peasant, secondary education, studied at the Higher Communist Agricultural School, but was arrested on July 22, 1933 by the Special Conference under the OGPU collegium and convicted under articles 58-2 and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, sentenced to be shot - with the replacement of imprisonment in the camp for 10 years. The indictment referred to the fact that he "is hostile to the CPSU (b) and the state system existing in the USSR, and in 1933 joined the counter-revolutionary organization" People’s Communist Party ", which aimed to overthrow the Soviet regime and establish a petty-bourgeois republic .

After serving a sentence in the Sevpechlager of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he was released on October 8, 1945, and in 1947 he arrived in Penza, where he began to work as a mechanic in a mechanical laundry. February 4, 1950 was again arrested as a previous convict. By a special meeting at the Ministry of State Security of the USSR he was sent to a settlement in the Kustanai region of Kazakhstan for membership in an anti-Soviet organization without determining the period where he stayed until 1954.

Both he and other Soviet citizens convicted in this case after 1953 began to make requests for rehabilitation as incorrectly convicted. An investigation was carried out, which established that “None of the above counterrevolutionary organizations existed and the case in this part was falsified by former OGPU workers from the Middle-Volga region.”

As a result, the case of November 4, 1933 was canceled by the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the RSFSR on July 26, 1961, and the case of July 1, 1950 was canceled by a decision of March 7, 1963.

That is, as you see, they dealt with the “affairs” for a long time, thoroughly, and for each of the cases separately, and not so that “in bulk”, as some now believe. Thus, E ... s was completely rehabilitated.

And here comes an interesting paragraph:

"However, E ... s, being a member of the CPSU and a student of the Higher Communist Agricultural School, allowed instability and hesitation in understanding the correctness of the line of our party, repeatedly expressed all kinds of anti-Soviet fabrications, was indifferent to his party affiliation and compliance with the statutory requirements."

Question: how did all this become known? In fact, there are no indications!

In the same 1933, he handed over to a friend a blank form of an account card and helped illegally get a party ticket, and the RK VKP (b) issuing it did not check the form of the card. He then stole several more forms and handed them to his friends.

"Thus, using his official position, he made it possible for people to enter the party without being accepted by their party organization."

He was a member of the E ... s party for 5 years, 30 outside the party, is characterized positively by his work.

And what would you think? The person was denied the restoration to the party after all these ordeals, which, in fact, had broken his life, since he "showed instability and hesitation in understanding the correctness of the CPSU line ... committed the theft and forgery of party documents." Therefore, his request was rejected as unfounded (p. Of the said document 177-180: 2,3,4,5).

Yes, but then he spent 10 years in the camp! Not at a resort in Gagra, but worked at a camp, and then still lived at a settlement in Kazakhstan, where there is also “not a fountain”. And the party of 1933 and 1963 - these were two big differences, so how many people then hesitated ... Should there be moral compensation, not to mention material compensation? Well, it’s clear that there wasn’t even any material speech at that time. But moral? No - they didn’t give a person even that! And are there still people who say that we had a society of "social justice"? But it is known that “injustice, illuminated by the name of the law, dishonors this law itself!”

And now the most "amusing". Gave read these materials to one student of Moscow University named after Yu. S. Witte. She read and says: “Is he crazy? Climb into the party after what this power did to him! .. "-" Well, he really wanted to ... "-" Some kind of nonsense! Everything that happened is absolutely unreal, like a bad dream. A society of some kind of crazy! ”

Such a judgment. But the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such crazy society to never get involved again ...
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  1. Uncle lee 17 May 2020 05: 21 New
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    This once again shows that human characters are very different. And these are facts on the one hand, and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who completed both military and labor feats.
    1. Grandfather 17 May 2020 05: 23 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      A. Meresyev

      Maresyev he was ... hi
      1. Uncle lee 17 May 2020 05: 28 New
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        In life, yes, but - “Meresyev” - was also entrenched thanks to the film shot according to the novel in 1948 (director Alexander Stolper, in the title role Pavel Kadochnikov).

        Source: https://vnnews.ru/social/62278-tajna-bukvy-ev-familii-geroya-syn-ljotchika-alekseya-mareseva-raskryl-ejo-vashim-novostyam.html
        1. Stas157 17 May 2020 10: 22 New
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          Give it to Shpakovsky order St. Apostle Andrew the First-Called! Like Solzhenitsyn and Gorbachev. And then you won’t calm down! Yes, and he earned it - about how it was in the "hated scoop" - he scribbles nobly.
          1. Hlavaty 17 May 2020 10: 59 New
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            I agree - a rotten little article.
            From the first lines I started to smear everyone with shit:
            I would like to see every builder of a new society like this. But really most of them were completely different

            Is this the “majority” that the USSR built?

            And he finished the article, as he spat:
            But the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such crazy society to never get involved again ...


            And this is in the days when the 75th anniversary of the Victory celebrated by this "crazy" society over the "civilized" Western society is celebrated.

            Something needs to be done with this, and more and more the 80s are reminiscent of Gorbachev's "glasnost" - there too, such streams of crap began to pour on Soviet history, which eventually poisoned the society. And when the poisoned society became incapable of resistance, then the country was ruined.
            1. Varyag_0711 17 May 2020 14: 41 New
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              Hlavaty (Vladimir Glavaty)
              I agree - a rotten little article.
              Have you seen others at Shpakovsky about the USSR?
              What a person is, such an article.
          2. mikh-korsakov 17 May 2020 12: 39 New
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            I read the article, I realized that the author wants socialism to never come in the Russian Federation. Take it easy, don't come. One could not give a damn and forget about Shpakovsky. Yes, only his arguments are rather weak. First of all, this is an old song about a fist with bloody corns. The nonsense of a parrot is similarly repeated by all our propagandists from the president to a simple journalist. Fist in our village it was in 99% of cases a world-moneylender, hiring farm laborers, and also a speculator. The kulaks represented the eviction not of the GPU, but of the community, and there people understood. Then comes the moan of a pederast, who was given a term in 1963. Yes, it would be known to the author that at that time pederasty was banned in all "civilized" Western countries. This is also past the checkout. The following are examples of petty theft. Well, I don’t even want to answer this at all, a lie and hypocrisy - I want to ask the author if he wants to try on his complaints for today. In short, Shpakovsky was unlucky with the people. So good riddance.
            1. kalibr 17 May 2020 14: 19 New
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              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              In short, Shpakovsky was unlucky with the people.

              Just the opposite, Michael. Was it really so hard to think and figure it out? Then know: in the land of the blind and crooked - the king!
              1. Varyag_0711 17 May 2020 14: 46 New
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                kalibr (Vyacheslav)
                Then know: in the land of the blind and crooked - the king!
                Well yes all around fool fool fool , one Shpakovsky d'Artagnan ... laughing
                Too high a deep opinion of yourself about yourself is deeply not respected, you need to be more modest and then MAYBE people will be drawn to you.
                1. kalibr 17 May 2020 15: 12 New
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                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  people will reach for you

                  So they stretch. Have you not noticed? But not all. But this is good. It would be scary if everyone dragged on. Think about it and you will agree!
                  1. 210ox 17 May 2020 15: 35 New
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                    Who is reaching for you? People with the psychology of flies? Those who want to scrape manure? So it is in any society. And it was under socialism. Only much less than now.
                    1. sniperino 17 May 2020 16: 23 New
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                      Quote: 210ox
                      Who is reaching for you? People with fly psychology? Wanting to scoop up manure?
                      Your insults to the author and his readers indicate that the page with the article by V. Shpakovsky is also visited with the psychology of cattle, who want to pile manure, which others will pick up after you.
                      1. nikon7717 19 May 2020 09: 28 New
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                        In fact, people come in and see the title of the article. Author in signature. Only regular visitors know its priority. However, I think that poking around in the archives and looking for dirt to pour on the people of their own country has passed. Enough of these repetitions of Solzhenitsyn. I want to be proud of my country and the ancestors who left it to me. It's time to stop this dusting with ashes.
                        If Shpak .. I would ask the student a question, you were for condemning the pederasts in the USSR and not promoting an immoral lifestyle. What would be the answer?
                        And he deliberately asked a question to condemn ..
                      2. sniperino 19 May 2020 19: 51 New
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                        Quote: nikon7717
                        you are for the fact that in the USSR they condemned the pederasts and did not propagate an immoral lifestyle. What would be the answer?
                        Only from the 30s did Stalin deal with them, and citizens should know what happened after the revolution before the raid in Leningrad in 33, the emnip, for which the Gomez still hates him. And do not confuse the history of your country with a known substance, even if it does not at all times and in everything gives reason for pride. If a person will only be proud of himself and will not be ashamed of anything, he will certainly happen a complex of greatness, and even worse. So the motherland.
          3. Igoresha 18 May 2020 07: 43 New
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            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            Next is a moan on a pederast,
            Well, here's another, for homosexuality to plant this is the height of savagery. Homosexuals, atky women, like people like you and I. Evil komunyaki found on whom to come off ((
        2. 210ox 17 May 2020 14: 15 New
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          Shpakovsky sends us to the year of my birth. Of course, I don’t remember what happened then, my memory begins the year that way in 1968-69 .. Of course, for us childhood, youth are the most beautiful years, and they passed in the Best Country on Earth. People were different, but such hordes of “rats” in power and society did not exist as they are now. The author is not that a liar, he is trying to prove that then there was a bad-power lived by its own laws. I tell my sons what happened and what is. And they do not want to live in this shit, they want changes in the musty society of profit and capital. The author’s attempts are worthless.
          1. Reptiloid 17 May 2020 17: 28 New
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            Greetings, dear namesake! hi I know the time you mentioned from the stories of relatives, photographs and books. I want to add the following. If according to the census in the Russian Empire, in 1898 the average life expectancy was ~~ 30 years, then in 1961 --- 62 years 68,75 years! That says it all.
          2. Hagen 18 May 2020 11: 31 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            I tell my sons what happened and what is. And they don’t want to live in this shit, they want changes in the musty society of profit and capital

            If life goes on, then there are more good people than bad people. It was then, under the USSR, it is today with "profit and capital." Have you taught children to hate the country in which they live? Then you deserved to eke out a miserable existence on a beggarly pension. After all, it is our children who earn the “capital” that you lack. They will leave, who will feed you? "Changes in a musty society" can denote the desire for movement in a legal manner, or maybe - the form of "Maidan". Judging by how you live (not me, although obviously we are in the same country) in shit, I can imagine what you are telling your children and what changes they want.
            1. 210ox 18 May 2020 17: 27 New
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              But I do not need to misinterpret my words. I do not teach children to hate our country. But to hate those who ruined the Great State and continues to rob Russia and its kind is what I wrote about.
              1. Hagen 18 May 2020 17: 39 New
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                Quote: 210ox
                But I do not need to misinterpret my words.

                As you wrote, I understand. You told them, but they didn’t want to live in shit. How else can you understand what was said? request
          3. Andrey Stavropolsky 18 May 2020 17: 19 New
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            Hordes of rats sprang up instantly as power loosened the grip on the neck of every member of society. No need to idealize the past. It is not always heroic and valiant. It is often not beautiful and uncomfortable. No need to idealize people. The 17th year led to a grandiose rift in society. Since then, their own against their own, even on the side of strangers.
        3. Normal ok 17 May 2020 22: 14 New
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          Give Shpakovsky the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called! Like Solzhenitsyn and Gorbachev.

          But what really hurts your eyes? Vera staggered. So these are facts.
        4. Hagen 18 May 2020 10: 02 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          about how it was in the "hated scoop" - scribbles nobly.

          And what do you disagree with? What was not like that? Or have we forgotten how the "deficit" got "out of the counter" for some kind of overpayment? But this is every such fact - a separate property crime, spread throughout the USSR. You say - was not? And the point is not a “sketch”, but that it is not necessary to idealize yesterday’s reproach on the present day. We are not all rascals today, and yesterday, without exception, we were not angels. We did not know that the membership card opened the prospect of career growth? It’s funny .... And at the same time, it is impossible to refute the social orientation of the changes that the VKPb / CPSU carried out. For which the collective West does not like us. Indeed, in the 1918-20s, mass unrest took place in their countries under the leadership of trade unions with the slogans "Russia managed to do this" (meaning the revolution). Another thing is that when analyzing party archives, one must see what kind of affairs characterized the general mood of the party mass. And he was not criminal at all. He was creative and progressive. And the leadership was a match for this attitude. (Until some time) The fact that the party leadership eventually “bronzed” and began to smell like rotten does not cancel the bright thoughts of the main ordinary mass of the Communists.
          1. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 15: 31 New
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            And what do you disagree with? What was not like that? Or have we forgotten how the "deficit" got "out of the counter" for some kind of overpayment?

            I have never, I repeat, have never begged from under the counter. He refused a ticket to the Crimea, he handed out coupons from right to left ... Am I blessed?
            1. Hagen 18 May 2020 15: 57 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              I have never, I repeat, have never begged from under the counter.

              If you collect all those who, according to their words with Lenin, carried a log, then the area would not be enough. Do not understand that I want to convict you of something ... You will not begin to claim that such a phenomenon was absent in the USSR. Remember Vysotsky, Raikin, the jokes of those years - they were born from scratch and survived many politicians.
              1. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 21: 40 New
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                If you collect all those who, according to their words with Lenin, carried a log, then the area would not be enough.

                I don't give a damn about them. I am responsible for myself.
            2. Oleg Zorin 18 May 2020 20: 25 New
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              Notice, you said that. wink
  2. kalibr 17 May 2020 06: 37 New
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    That's right, Vladimir. There were many people and very different. And those who robbed children, even during the war, and those who died of hunger, but did not take, and there were heroes with orders that ... were tried for "unhealthy excesses." Everything was! Therefore, it is impossible to represent the society of the past as a single monolith. Moreover, it was a carrier of different consciousness. The same war hero could be the owner of the patriarchal, outdated consciousness, and the young thief - the most progressive, urban, although he used it to the detriment of others. The% of consciousness of various social groups and, accordingly, the strength of their influence on society are important. And this percentage, judging by the events of 1991, is not in favor of the “heroes” and highly conscious people.
    1. Uncle lee 17 May 2020 09: 23 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      judging by the events of 1991

      Vyacheslav hi By the year 91, the consciousness of Soviet people was so formatted by the media and the economy that they agreed to any CIS, just to get out of the leadership of the HMS, which was tired of chemical burping with their deeds and slogans. So they threw themselves into the arms of another, EBN, which was not much different from HMS - they grew from the same root.
      1. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 09: 35 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Vyacheslav By the year 91, the consciousness of Soviet people was so formatted by the media and the economy that they agreed to any CIS,

        And what do you explain all this to the former communist ideologist? He pushes his foreheads here according to the principle - more comments, more views, and money is dripping in his pocket.
        1. Uncle lee 17 May 2020 09: 40 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          dripping.

          Namesake hi It’s dripping into the bill - I don’t know ... And I explain not only to him, let others look.
          1. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 09: 42 New
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            Quote: Uncle Lee
            .A I explain not only to him, let others look.

            It is truth too.
        2. Reptiloid 17 May 2020 17: 36 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Vyacheslav By the year 91, the consciousness of Soviet people was so formatted by the media and the economy that they agreed to any CIS,

          And what do you explain all this to the former communist ideologist? He pushes his foreheads here on the principle - more comments, ..........
          I welcome you Vladimir! hi Now often many of those media reports are exposed as lies.
          1. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 19: 46 New
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            Now often many of those media reports are exposed as lies.

            Not that it would be a lie, but they did not agree notably. I remember an article from the "Komsomol" in perestroika:
            - Look, has our cigarette gone out?
            - Well yes...
            - And the American is still smoldering ...
            And such a guano has been dumped on us since about the 86th year.
            1. Reptiloid 17 May 2020 20: 07 New
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              I had in mind lies about Leningrad leaders, and others as well. I can’t clarify now, I’m not at home, I don’t remember about cigarettes, but how all the adults were happy about some kind of foreign oil in plastic bottles ..... and now they say it’s better to spit on it ...
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Now often many of those media reports are exposed as lies.

              Not that it would be a lie, but they did not agree notably. I remember an article from the "Komsomol" in perestroika:
              - Look, has our cigarette gone out?
              - Well yes...
              - And the American is still smoldering ...
              And such a guano has been dumped on us since about the 86th year.
              1. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 00: 50 New
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                and how all adults were happy about some foreign oil in plastic bottles ..

                And our oil was worth sixty rupees per liter. It is sunflower. Creamy - 3,80 per kilogram, if I do not confuse anything. Who writes that there was no oil, so it breaks like a gray gelding. I’m in the 80s every other day pies: A glass of flour, three eggs, two glasses of sour cream ....
                1. Reptiloid 18 May 2020 02: 21 New
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                  I didn’t know the prices, but I read that under the USSR there was a state subsidy for cream. And when the USSR died, the subsidy ceased. Perhaps then the oil began to disappear? And I remember, margarine in boxes became imported and were also happy and smeared on sandwiches. And some kind of butter appeared - a cube of 500g with a fishy smell. I don’t want to remember.
                  1. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 02: 29 New
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                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    I didn’t know the prices, but I read that under the USSR there was a state subsidy for cream.

                    The fact is that at one time I adjusted the cakes of the oven. This is in the 80s ... Now, I had nothing to do ... Napoleon, horseradish ...
                  2. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 02: 36 New
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                    there was a state subsidy for cream.

                    I've never heard of such a thing. In the 86th year, we lost glasses for ice cream, and sold ice cream by weight .. And butter .. Constantly bought, cut off from Kusman.
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                      Vladimir, because oil was natural and inexpensive, since it is for health, against tuberculosis ..... the state monitored health.
                      And it began to disappear as the USSR collapsed
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                      Vladimir, because oil was natural and inexpensive

                      Dim, like we lost waffle cups for ice cream, and began to sell by weight. We bought 2 kilos of Plombir, sat on the balcony, where a pound remained, but did not climb crying They took it, and threw it away ...
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                  Perhaps then the oil began to disappear?

                  Back in the mid-80s, butter was cut from a huge piece. Such a cobblestone was about 20 kilos, and oil was cut from it. It was so with us.
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                Creamy - 3,80 per kilogram, if I do not confuse anything. Who writes that there was no oil, so it breaks like a gray gelding.

                EMNIP, the oil was of two types: 3,50 p. / Kg and 3,60 p / kg.
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Who writes that there was no oil, so it breaks like a gray gelding.

                And here not so simple. Oil there was only butter for 3,60. And the oil for 3,50 (which most often lay in the store) was psychological oil: it looked like butter, but when you try to cut it off it starts to water and crumble, breaking up into "chips". It was impossible to make the same cream with it. sad
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                  It was impossible to make the same cream with it.

                  Protein, yes sugar, that's the cream. wink
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                  Norm Cream in accordance with GOST 70% is not naturally margarine, but not sun ....
              3. Oleg Zorin 18 May 2020 20: 28 New
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                Butter in the Kurgan region has been on coupons since 1978. Perhaps you baked on margarine - it was sold without coupons.
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                Kapets sour cream then why .... For show-off ???? There was nowhere to go, what did they give out in ORS? You donuts haven’t happened
            2. Mordvin 3 18 May 2020 01: 24 New
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              and how all adults rejoiced in some kind of foreign oil in plastic bottles.

              In the 90s, a guy dragged a can of American oil in a 10 liter barrel. So the mother spat on him, pancakes were not fried on him.
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                Just then there was a Chinese stew, it’s not clear from what they tried, threw out the cans
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                Quote: Reptiloid
                and how all adults rejoiced in some kind of foreign oil in plastic bottles.

                In the 90s, a guy dragged a can of American oil in a 10 liter barrel. So the mother spat on him, pancakes were not fried on him.
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                  Just then there was a Chinese stew, it’s not clear from what they tried, threw out the cans

                  And we drank Chinese vodka. Wheat. With a waterfall on the label. Muck singing. This is the year in the 94th.
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                    You idler. And to establish co-brewing? Just kidding laughing
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                    And to establish co-brewing?

                    A lot of vodka does not happen. We also drove the moonshine, we drive, and we will drive. repeat
      2. Uncle lee 18 May 2020 00: 56 New
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        media reports exposed as lies

        Dmitriy hi I remember Korotich’s articles in Ogonyok and speeches of deputies, in central newspapers and live broadcasts from congresses ... Whoever exposes the whip is the idol!
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          He who denounces whip is the idol!

          Well, no. Only Umalatova had steel eggs. And the rest? Sakharov muttered something ..
  • Svarog 17 May 2020 09: 45 New
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    People are different in any system. But I didn’t observe poverty under the USSR, but didn’t live richly, but whoever didn’t drink everything had it. And now I’m observing poverty, many ate making ends meet, taking loans to pay the previous ones, driving themselves into big debts, for the communal apartment, the smallest debt of 18, the largest for 000, hangs at the entire entrance. that many now live on credit, but then they lived on their own.
    But the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such crazy society to never get involved again ...

    Is it possible to call a delusional society, the society from which we all came out, which created everything that modern society is now using? In 30 years, at least one new hydroelectric power station was built or a nuclear power plant?
    Is a delusional society capable of being the second economy in the world and the first in space?
    1. Ryazan87 17 May 2020 15: 17 New
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      In 30 years, at least one new hydroelectric power station was built or a nuclear power plant?

      Indeed, let's clarify:
      1. Novovoronezh NPP-2
      Year of commencement of construction: 2008.
      Commissioning: 2016
      2 .. Leningrad NPP-2
      Year of commencement of construction: 2007.
      Commissioning: 2018
      3. Floating NPP "Academician Lomonosov"
      Year of commencement of construction: 2007.
      Commissioning: 2019.
      3. Kursk NPP-2
      Year of commencement of construction: 2018.
      Commissioning: 2023 (planned).
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      2. Rostov NPP
      Year of construction start: 1979, in 1992 construction was suspended, in 2000 resumed.
      Commissioning: 2001 (1st power unit, 2nd in 2010, 3rd in 2014)

      Total:
      2 NPPs and 1 PAES were built from scratch, 1 completed.
      In Russia, 12 nuclear power plants are operating, 1 floating nuclear power plant, and 1 nuclear power plant is under construction.
      Those. even if you do not count the NPPs, 1/4 of nuclear energy was created in those same "30 years."
      Also, 38 reactors are currently operating in the country, of which 11 were built and connected in the post-Soviet period, 3 more are being built.
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      and the first in space?

      And the first in the number of abortions!
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      ....Yes, we didn’t live well.......
      If we are talking about 1963, I suppose that they didn’t live richly in Europe, and even in the USA. (where blacks still lynched at that time, and even the toilets were black and white separately, not to mention schools and drrr) ...... after the war, restoration took place very hard everywhere.
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        that in Europe they didn’t live richly and
        I look b / w French, Japanese and English films, indeed, it is very poor, if we take ordinary citizens and not millionaires or beggars.
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      Comrade Svarog, you write more closely. And then I read to your phrase "... eat the ends .." And fell into a stupor! laughing
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      Has the longtime catnip come back? Of the banned? There was a bastard.
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    During the period of bringing to party responsibility, he worked as deputy director for cultural and educational work of the construction school No. 1 of the city of Penza, and is currently in custody by a court decision.


    so, and from which layers did pida_rast turn out? Maybe this is a peasant from a plow, or a hard worker from a machine tool, that is, this is not the peasantry and not the proletariat, but let’s say so, but an intellectual, and, as they say, rotten intelligentsia. We should also look at the national roots of this phenomenon, what kind of tribe, who brought it up in this format? Out of the blue, such a phenomenon could not develop. Just like now, someone ORGANIZES parades of pid_rasov. And who is it?
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      so, and from which layers did pida_rast turn out? Maybe this is a peasant from a plow, or a hard worker from a machine tool, that is, this is not the peasantry and not the proletariat, but let’s say so, but an intellectual

      Quote: Bar1
      Out of the blue, such a phenomenon could not develop.

      I do not know...
      In Novgorod, the one that is on Volkhov, in the first half of the XII century. a certain Shilzo lived for himself, and everything would have been fine, but he loved, poor fellow, sometimes in the mood to copulate with either a pig or a horse. And good would be with his own, otherwise he used strangers. Disgraced, so to speak, all of Lyudin’s end in Novgorod, a scoundrel. If there were a CPSU, they would have been expelled for sure. And so just the headman complained, say, calm down. And here I am wondering - and who was this Shilzo by nationality and social status in Novgorod in 1120 - 1140, approximately, years? Jewish Jew? And what gay parades had he seen enough?
      http://gramoty.ru/birchbark/document/show/novgorod/954/
      1. Slavs 17 May 2020 14: 58 New
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        Jewish Jew?

        The probability is great ...
        1. Trilobite Master 17 May 2020 15: 43 New
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          The probability is great ...

          Indeed? laughing
          It is interesting to hear the arguments of such ... controversial thesis. Is there direct evidence of his nationality and occupation? Maybe indirect - information about the presence at the beginning of the XII century. in the People’s end of Novgorod of the Jewish diaspora, for example, or about the special love of Jews or intellectuals for animals? Or anything else that never occurred to me?
          Spread out, do not be shy about your learning. smile
          And if your statement is unfounded, then ... then you yourself must understand the difference between the people you mentioned below on the branch and you.
          Quote: Slavs
          Shpakovsky Trilobit, Olgovich, 3x3, maybe he missed someone

          By the way, I didn’t expect to be in the same row with Olgovich - we have in common, so far as I can judge, only that we both speak and write Russian. smile
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        http://gramoty.ru/birchbark/document/show/novgorod/954/


        yes these letters are fakes from Ioannina, Novgorod was in the wrong place, they said already ...
        1. Trilobite Master 17 May 2020 17: 04 New
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          These letters are fakes from Ioannina

          Yes, there he has a whole production of these diplomas. laughing
          Such angry Jews in black hats sit, peel off Russian birches, write all kinds of nonsense on birch bark in pure Old Russian, and Yanin then tosses all this into the excavations ... laughing
          But tell me, there, in the excavations, do you think there is nothing at all? Initially empty pits, but bridge pits (logs of five thousand years or more), all sorts of shards, scallops, other finds there, like, Yanin throws it up? Only in order to annoy Fomenko with his incoherent nonsense about the absence of Novgorod in the place of Novgorod?
          What are they actually finding, if they are? Surely, the true finds with ancient maps, where Tartaria is painted and the handwritten signature of Andrew-Jesus Christ of Bogolyubsky, the authenticity of these maps testifies that Yanin destroyed or sent directly to the Vatican - the Masters of the West.
          Something interested me here: tell me, and what is the grass in your yard? But didn’t they notice that the walls in the house suddenly went in waves? Or maybe you are being watched? 5G towers by chance, not your job?
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            Yes, there he has a whole production of these diplomas.
            Such evil Jews in black hats sit, peel off Russian birches, write all kinds of nonsense on birch bark in pure Old Russian, and Yanin then tosses all this into the excavations.


            the devil forgot, of course, it’s not just Yanin alone, how can you forget the ever-memorable Zaliznyak with his rigorous scientific work “Professional and amateur linguistics” for the curious. Well, of course, their chief Artsikhovsky is the basis of everything.
            It is clear that out of a thousand letters, not all of our times, there are probably real ones, but now how to figure it out?
            But here’s their dating system, when half of the logs rotted, and the remaining half was multiplied by two and lowered the date to the 10th century, to put it mildly not strictly scientific, but it fits into the OI, therefore it was included in the annals with conclusions. that it’s not like science.
            1. Trilobite Master 17 May 2020 18: 24 New
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              But here is their dating system

              Almost flawless. The dendrochronological scale is built up, archaeological layers are dated up to 20 years old and, most importantly, the finds are very “beat” by dating with the available annals and historical linguistics. There is a very harmonious and cross-checked system of evidence, which is why your brotherhood has no choice but to deny everything indiscriminately - from beginning to end, in droves.
              By the way, the work of Zaliznyak, which you mentioned, is not strictly scientific, namely, popular science and precisely for amateurs. His strictly scientific works are of a completely different level.
              However, to whom am I explaining this? request
              In general, you are not required to understand anything. So continue to delight us with your opus.
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                how to deny everything indiscriminately


                not indiscriminately, Fomenko and Nosovsky subjected this swampy dendrochronology to justified criticism and the very opposite conclusions.
                Would you like to talk about this topic? Write an article about Novgorod letters and chronology, let's talk in detail.
                1. Trilobite Master 17 May 2020 19: 15 New
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                  Would you like to talk about this topic?

                  With you - the least.
                  As for my articles, you can rejoice - with a high degree of probability they will no longer be here, my cooperation with the site as an author has ceased.
                  Quote: Bar1
                  Fomenko and Nosovsky subjected this swamp dendrochronology to justified criticism

                  I have not read this. But, knowing the methodology of the criticism they use, which is always based on complete ignorance of the criticized subject, I think there will be nothing interesting there.
        2. Oleg Zorin 18 May 2020 20: 44 New
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          You, dear, cave thinking. The scientific fact that the prevalence of this case is up to 5% in ANY population
  • Slavs 17 May 2020 13: 05 New
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    and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who performed both military and labor feats.

    Shpakovsky will not write about such people and does not want to ...
    Both cannot forgive them their own insignificance ...
    1. kalibr 17 May 2020 14: 15 New
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      Smart people discuss ideas, mediocre people discuss events, stupid people discuss people!
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        Smart people discuss ideas, mediocre people discuss events, stupid people discuss people!

        Yes, yes, we have already discussed this in a previous publication))
        I will answer you, just like you last time to me - I am a man and therefore human weaknesses are not alien to me ...))
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          Yes, Sergey, they’re not alien ... But I didn’t write to you about your insignificance, and you constantly try to speak out in my address in a far from personal way. So they remind you who is who. And I tried to offer you to write to the archive myself, so you did not immediately have time and money. It is not good to defend ideals like that. And I will tell you more: there are all such bold critics because they are anonymous. And if in a "PM", age, education, profession, place of residence ... without an address would be indicated. Many would have held their tongue! Or - I just wrote about Stakhanov, but you didn’t bother to check through the search engine, well, etc. I come across this constantly.
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            I just wrote about Stakhanov

            Bothered. Read. Article from the scientific and technical journal. Surprisingly without adjustments for wretched Soviet society, but rather because even in the Times they wrote about Stakhanov .. But the Times will not print anything bad .. Or am I picking on? )))
            And I saw the page of your notebook ... Listened to the Voice of America? ...
            Everything falls into place ...)
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              And I saw the page of your notebook ... Listened to the Voice of America? ...
              Everything falls into place ...)

              I just didn’t listen. How could I? This is a page, if you were careful, from a book with which I went to meetings with lecturers of the Central Committee of the CPSU and it contains what we, as low-level lecturers, were informed. So nothing falls into place. No fantasy.
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            You are constantly trying to speak out to me in a far from personal way.

            Starting with your articles about life in the Soviet village, where there were problems and this is a fact, you spoke impartially about everyone who grew up there ... I was always not enthusiastic about the city))
            Yes, many have already written to you why this attitude has developed .. Not just me.
            We have a strong discord in terms such as debt, honor, homeland ...
            If you do not invest in the article an attempt to defraud my Soviet past, then it does not cause a negative and you have such articles ...
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              Oh, Sergey, Sergey, you’re ridiculous, the right word ....
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            Vyacheslav, if you are such a lover of archives, then you probably have preserved summaries of speeches at party meetings of the early 80s. Your summaries. I would like to see what you told people then. For example, at that time I started working at the factory and was the secretary of the Komsomol committee. And I accordingly talked about what the party demanded, and about what I saw and criticized.
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              I kept a notebook with short notes of what the lecturers from the center told us, lecturers of the OK Komsomol and the CPSU RK. I also cited my articles criticizing what I saw and understood in my field in my articles on the technical creativity of that time. I never wrote an abstract. The memory was good and people liked that I did not look anywhere. But he said that it was required, understandably. Otherwise, who would let me out to the people or students?
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                I still have a notebook with short notes of what we, the lecturers of the OK Komsomol and the Republic of KPSS

                Yes, who would doubt it. They did not know how to think with their head. They listened, and then went to the team to steam. I remember one such "wise guy" came from the district to check, checked my platoon. And my soldier was after the ist. Fak. Yes, and nature is carried away. He was like a wise guy, like a naked man in a bath, he drove questions and answers, for they write (these "wise men") and speak in written or torn from various sources. Even the links forget to make them. And today, these "inspectors" have filed: one in Canada, the second in Israel, the third at Tyagnibok. And the former members of the CPSU, political workers. Changing shoes while running Shpakovsky.
        2. Reptiloid 18 May 2020 09: 02 New
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          So I remember who began to write bad words about their relatives, they say scoops ?, and worse? Is this not a discussion of people, and moreover
      2. Varyag_0711 17 May 2020 14: 51 New
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        kalibr (Vyacheslav)
        Smart people discuss ideas, mediocre people discuss events, stupid people discuss people!
        No need to blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked, you yourself go to the person if these persons do not agree with you.
        1. kalibr 17 May 2020 15: 59 New
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          Did I write specifically about your stupidity? Just information for consideration. Personalities not mentioned!
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          Varyag_0711! Everything is so, about which my comment (I wanted it closer to the Slavs) turned out to be higher than yours!
          And do not quote, the network is buggy. .....
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        and stupid - write similar articles. He didn’t capture Stalin — he was later born, but not one of my grandfathers, parents and relatives said anything bad about him even once — all non-partisans. he lived in a "crap". today's youth did not even dream about what we had: I got an apartment, and I bought a car for construction crew money (the Soviet "penny", and then the "six"), and the SOVIET education !!!, and not the current full-time education. And, most importantly, we raised children, learned them. We had and have real friends. God forbid that, at least, my grandchildren had a piece !!!!!
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          I got an apartment, and I bought a car for construction crew money (the Soviet "penny", and then the "six"), and the SOVIET education !!!, and not the current full-time education. And, most importantly, we raised children, learned them.

          I love people undemanding and simple. And the authorities are also very fond of these. Gave them all this and their support is provided to her! "Six" - well, how come ... "thing"!
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            I love people undemanding and simple. And the authorities are also very fond of these. Gave them all this and their support is provided to her! "Six" - well, how come ... "thing"!

            Citizen Shpakovsky. At one time, as a student, I refused a ticket to the Black Sea sanatorium. I wonder if you would refuse?
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              I would not refuse. Tell me, from what motives did you do this?
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                Tell me, from what motives did you do this?

                This was not my ticket. Someone beguiled something, and they shoved it to me. Like, I have a skin disease, and I need to go to the Crimean sanatorium.
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            It would be interesting to know why the previous government didn’t give you, and the current one directly gifted that you "drown" so zealously against the Soviets?
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      Sergei! I just wrote about Stakhanov ... Go to the profile and look or through the search engine!
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      It says at the beginning that most were not like that ..... further a description of the vices ...
      Interestingly, this is based on what conclusions about the majority?
      Penza archive or something ..? How to calculate it was possible. Yes sir?
      Anti-Soviet PR in action.
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    This once again shows that human characters are very different. And these are facts on the one hand, and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who completed both military and labor feats.

    The wonderful Leningrad mosaic artist Vladimir Frolov created during the years of the Siege of Leningrad in cold and hunger, created mosaics for the Moscow metro. Works of extraordinary beauty and light. He died as soon as he made and sent the last conceived mosaic.
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    Quote: Uncle Lee
    This once again shows that human characters are very different. And these are facts on the one hand, and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who completed both military and labor feats.

    Just the author judges by himself. He can’t even imagine that there were, are and will be people who act on the principle:
    "Although human life is the most precious thing in the world, we always act as if there is something even more valuable in the world than human life ..." (Antoine de Saint-Exupery)
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    another vyser in the direction of the USSR ... Shpakovsky look out the window, that's where all the vices have gathered and are flourishing!
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      And here it is shown, if you did not notice that the roots of these vices were already then! And if you have taken such a nickname for yourself, then remember the Dagestan proverb: "Where there are no good youth, there were no good old people!"
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        the roots of these vices were already then!

        Just then, these roots tried to uproot. And the roots themselves appeared in ancient times. Why try to make a club if you can whistle with a neighbor? Yes, and boil it with the same club, so as not to arise. Now for the pot from kindergarten will not be imprisoned.
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          Now for the pot from kindergarten will not be imprisoned.


          on the contrary, they’ll put him in a pot, and if he stole a billion, they won’t put him. It always has been, except for the USSR.
          1. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 07: 48 New
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            they’ll plant for a pot

            For damage up to a thousand rubles do not plant. And if you haven’t been previously involved, then you can steal up to 2500 without fear rattling into the zone. Otherwise, everything is correct.
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              Quote: Bar1
              they’ll plant for a pot

              For damage up to a thousand rubles do not plant. And if you haven’t been previously involved, then you can steal up to 2500 without fear rattling into the zone. Otherwise, everything is correct.

              any lawyer will prove to you that you stole a pan for 10 thousand, and this is a period of 10 years.
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                any lawyer will prove to you that you stole a pan for 10 thousand, and this is a period of 10 years.

                And any normal lawyer will bring a similar saucepan with a check from the store for 600 rubles. So this is the case of our incorruptible court. However, they will not look for a saucepan; there’s nothing more to do to them. Aniskins have long been out of favor. crying
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            To steal a billion you need access, and to access that kind of money you need brains.
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              To steal a billion you need access, and to access that kind of money you need brains.

              Enough connections and the ability to "lick" on time. Brains have nothing to do with it.
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                In general, nothing to do with it)) That person is dumb, like a traffic jam, but licks - and becomes the financial director of the holding, because ..... communications? laughing My acquaintance of his son is holding a deputy. chief of security - well, he doesn’t pull, he says. Yes, and brains are needed to steal and not get caught
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          tried to uproot

          But failed! They do not plant pots because they are not stolen. But to those who give a shortcut at the top. Go to the site of the Penza region: yesterday the FSB gutted the top with might and main ...
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            Quote: kalibr
            They do not plant pots because they are not stolen.

            Spoons steal, not like pots.
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            Quote: kalibr
            there yesterday the FSB in full gutted the top ...

            Not shared .. Because there was a team - face!
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: kalibr
          the roots of these vices were already then!

          Just then, these roots tried to uproot. And the roots themselves appeared in ancient times. Why try to make a club if you can whistle with a neighbor? Yes, and boil it with the same club, so as not to arise. Now for the pot from kindergarten will not be imprisoned.

          When --- then? In 1963? Yes, did they eat the roots in the 19th century in the RI. And the theft of their superiors during the REV, 1MV?
          1. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 19: 34 New
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            When --- then? In 1963?

            Yes, they always tried. Hands thieves chopped, counterfeiters in the throat poured tin ...
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              Quote: Reptiloid
              When --- then? In 1963?

              Yes, they always tried. Hands thieves chopped, counterfeiters in the throat poured tin ...

              Well, finally, Vladimir, with the help of our comments, the author finds out about this!
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                We have a cool leader was a numismatist. She talked a lot about coins, it’s only a pity that he flew into one ear and flew out of the other ... But I remembered something ...
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  We have a cool leader was a numismatist. She talked a lot about coins, it’s only a pity that he flew into one ear and flew out of the other ... But I remembered something ...

                  Yes, interestingly, you had comments about coins. Today I will write to you in a personal ...... later
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        In at least two cities, mayors were jailed for criminality, but people were still ready to vote for them and said during an interview: "Yes, he is a thief, but what stores he rebuilt for us." Why is all this? Yes, because people are convinced of one thing: in Russia they have always stolen and will steal, everyone lies with us, so what noise is to be made of this? And many subconsciously feel that they themselves would have done the same thing - and lied, and stole, if they had gotten out to the big bosses. Is it worth it, therefore, to gasp and groan, complaining and perplexed: "Why, then, everything is different for us as for people, and we have some kind of creepy, lousy capitalism." What was socialism - such is capitalism, that's all. "
        Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”

        PS Highlighted by me - Plantagenet.
      3. Sergey S. 17 May 2020 08: 56 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        And here it is shown, if you did not notice that the roots of these vices were already then!

        Dagestan proverb is correct.
        And historicity is right, even in relation to vices.
        One thing is wrong, the historical process is cut, haphazardly.
        And then, one will cut off the Great October Socialist Revolution, and begin to attribute all the abominations to the fools of the Communists (That is, he will find fools among the Communists).
        Another will cut off in 1991 and scold democracy (even ancient Greek ...).
        Someone will cut off from the beginning of Peter, and make the "Germans" guilty ...

        Not seriously, that is, not scientifically, all this.
        And, no matter how interesting the individual facts are, the single facts do not carry much sense for understanding the historical process.

        The Great Poet is right - "Big is seen in the distance."
        It is too early to give grades to the acts of 1963.
        I guess nature will soon adjust ....

        I agree with two facts:
        1. The film "Communist" is good.
        2. The decisions of the party meeting and the court of Penza regarding the character convicted of sabotage agree.
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      another vyser in the direction of the USSR ... Shpakovsky look out the window, that's where all the vices have gathered and are flourishing!

      and I don’t want to look out the window 1933-1963?

      why so? uncomfortable?

      It turns out there. not only "glory to the Communist Party of the Communist Party and personally to a comrade!" see, but also millions of E ... s, with disfigured fates for the fact that ....
      "E ... s, allowed instability and hesitation in understanding the correctness of the line of our party,
      , for the wrong ... column of origin. for having hit someone in the head with a mind to call you a fist and the like belay fool

      how many times the party itself has hesitated over these 30 years. the district committee prudently kept silent - so as not to get into a mess - confused himself, see lol laughing The party hesitated from "glory to the great ...!" To "Shame ...!" and from give! to "well it on the fix."

      Here very flexible spine and beliefs it was necessary to clearly follow the bizarre wobbles of party politics! lol

      student rights.
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        Quote: Olgovich
        but also millions of E ... s, with disfigured fates for ....

        In the Republic of Ingushetia, the statement of a serf with a request for acceptance into the nobility would not be considered. They would have ordered to carve at the stable, and all business.
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          In the Republic of Ingushetia, the statement of a serf with a request for acceptance into the nobility would not be considered.

          No need to compare the incomparable, have you already agreed somehow? And even in the Stone Age, the leader could eat the objectionable!
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            Quote: kalibr
            No need to compare the incomparable, have you already agreed somehow?

            What do you do when you give here the opinion of a student who is studying at a bourgeois university named after an imperial financier? Fifty years have passed from the time of Count Witte to the 60s, from the time of the 60s to our time, already, count the seventh dozen.
            1. Olgovich 17 May 2020 08: 23 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              From the time of Count Witte to the 60s, fifty years have passed,

              Only here society under Witt was much more free, honest and humane- this is evidenced by the number of different parties, views, different press, free elections. jury trials, the number of prisoners, executed, officials and overseers, etc.

              And what is wrong student? Rights!
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                Quote: Olgovich
                Only society under Witt was much more free, honest and humane, this is evidenced by the number of different parties, views, different press, free elections.

                And this most humane society has come to civil war.
                Quote: Olgovich
                What is wrong student? Rights!

                A girl who, in addition to Putin’s rule in Russia, has not seen anything in her life, from the perspective of modern times, she talks about a specific case that the author slipped her. And transfers this case to the whole society, calling it abnormal. Good attitude to their ancestors, nothing to say.
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  And this most humane society has come to civil war.

                  exactly. which is humane and too much: the bald parasitic carls had to quickly rot in the mines (strictly by law!). rather than .... skating in "link". fuck. to hunt and gobble up to such an extent that the mother-in-law was amazed: "Ek, you SPILL!"
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  A girl who, in addition to Putin’s rule in Russia, has not seen anything in her life, from the perspective of modern times, she talks about a specific case that the author slipped her.

                  To distinguish good from evil, one does not have to live in the time of Adam and Eve.
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  And transfers this case to the whole society, calling it abnormal. Good attitude to their ancestors, nothing to say.

                  If you tell me that society has robbed and exiled million children (and millions of parents) in the cold to the north of Narymsky, Arkhangelsk Krai in barracks and huts. normal you will surprise me very much. children are the same. by the way. made up the bulk of the deaths among these people ..

                  Do you know similar examples in the history of the world? Bring.
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    exactly. which is humane and too much: the bald parasitic carls had to quickly rot in the mines (strictly by law!).

                    The workers who worked for your ancestor, whose portrait is hanging in the Hermitage, did not count so.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    If you tell me that a society has robbed and exiled a million children (and millions of parents) in frosts to the north of Narymsky, Arkhangelsk Krai to barracks and huts. normal something

                    And before that, millions lived in barracks and huts.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Do you know similar examples in the history of the world?

                    Will fences in England be an example?
                    1. Olgovich 17 May 2020 11: 26 New
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                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      The workers who worked for your ancestor, whose portrait is hanging in the Hermitage, did not count so.

                      1. My ancestors worked themselves and served the Fatherland. Yes, there are photographs of them in the St. Petersburg Museum, but not in the Hermitage.

                      2. It was not the workers who made decisions, but the humane government, which, in its humanism, did not comply with its own laws and did not destroy all these gangsters-kamo, kabo, Lenin and others Sverdlov ..

                      and there were so few of them that no one would have noticed.

                      BUT-the humanism of the authorities, the courts, the execution of punishments-just amaze - against the background of subsequent brutal decades ...
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      And before that, millions lived in barracks and huts

                      Millions before that lived no worse, but better. You take an interest in the construction of housing in the USSR before the Second World War, you will be very surprised.

                      And this is not about that (this is still happiness), but about CHILDREN exiled to martyrdom:
                      letter from the People's Commissar of the NKVD Tolmachev in Akhrhangelsk about more than a hundred thousand people ::)
                      People are housed in 750 barracks, hastily concocted from poles. Unbelievable tightness, there are places where per person accounts for 1 / sq. square meters during the construction of plank beds several floors (cubic less than the grave). There are no floors in the huts, the roof is made of poles and lightly sprinkled with melting and crumbling earth. The temperature is not higher than 4 °, as a rule. Lice. With bad nutrition, and for many, with its almost complete absence, all this creates a tremendous incidence and the same mortality among children.

                      At the onset of the full [spring] (second half of April, May) the earth in the barracks melts (many stand on marshy soil), flows from above, and their entire population will stick together in a dirty, rotting, living lump.

                      I give some figures characterizing the situation now.

                      Certificate of morbidity and mortality among the deportees.

                      In the city of Arkhangelsk out of 8 thousand children fell ill 6007 people. .In the North Dvinsky District on April 12, 1930, everything died - 784, of which 634 children.
                      The total percentage of incidence among children is 85.

                      those. more 80% deadx-CHILDREN!

                      The only request of these people to the authorities was- "Do not torture us! Better kill!"
                      is ... a normal society? belay Or if we don’t know, then .... there was nothing?
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Will fences in England be an example?

                      Of course not.

                      Century, build-WHAT is the comparison ?!
                      1. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 11: 57 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You take an interest in the construction of housing in the USSR before the Second World War, you will be very surprised.

                        What should I be surprised at, I am well aware of the plans of the pre-war five-year plans. There are issues of industrialization, not housing.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        letter from the People's Commissar of the NKVD Tolmachev in Akhrkhangelsk about more than a hundred thousand people ::

                        As you can see, the question was raised, your efforts would seek mortality during the Stolypin reform.
                        They asked for historical examples, and I gave.
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        What should I be surprised at, I am well aware of the plans of the pre-war five-year plans. There are issues of industrialization, not housing.

                        I remind you that in the 1917th they promised not five-year plans with hunger and barracks, but a paradise on earth - communism
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        As you can see, the question was raised,

                        shot the lift, yes, -not that, apparently, raised And it is
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Your efforts would seek mortality during the Stolypin reform.

                        belay nothing to raise request

                        but there is an example from the non-Stolypin “development” of Siberia: relatives from the side of the grandmother, a family of peasants consisting of 9 people (6 children), were thrown out of their own home in the winter, even half fur coats from the children were torn off and sent to the Urals, where they were thrown out in the taiga. One girl survived, the rest disappeared without a trace. as never before. Then she went to her homeland, to Pochep: all of their robbers drank themselves up, degraded and died, the stranger did not bring them happiness ..

                        there is a more recent example: 1948, from Salgany, Odessa region: a family (7 people), barely surviving the war, a wild famine of 46-47 years, was captured (someone in the field. someone .... at school !, someone at home) and - to the truck and to the train, to the Urals in the winter to the barn.
                        They saved the Russian people, dismantled the Russian poor fellow for the huts.
                        This was more fortunate — everyone working, settled down, started a farm — collective farms begged them to stay afterwards ...
                        They didn’t let them go home, they left for Donbass, they worked in the mines, someone became crippled, they learned, earned money and returned home, they bought their own home from degraded alcoholics to whom they gave it to them. repaired and lived normally.
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        They asked for historical examples, and I gave.

                        You compare the wild initial capitalism of the 15th century and the popular, as it were, caring society 20 century. What is it like?! belay
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        As you can see, the question was raised,

                        But hesitated, and people died ... Under the state of the dictatorship of the proletariat ...
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                  Yes, you are a communicative defender ... A billion children, and this is only in the Arkhangelsk Territory and only 37m ...
                  Compare with the current number of children in these places and understand that this rare nonsense does not allow this?
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                    Compare with the current number of children in these places and understand that this rare nonsense does not allow this?

                    To learn, at least elementarily, the history of YOUR country does not allow laziness and post.
                    And yes, didn’t you try to read and understand what was written?

                    What are these "places", what a WRONG?

                    Exiled peasants to many places and Arkhangelsk region, only ONE of them.

                    It was still north of Narymsky region ("resort", yes), construction sites of the so-called "national" ownership in the Urals, etc., etc.
                    Quote: 5-9
                    . A billion children, and this is only in the Arkhangelsk Territory and only 37m ...

                    fool
                    Peasants were sent mainly to 1930-33 yyy. From 2,6 млн exiled peasants 40% children.

                    Got it, no? no
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              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              From the time of Count Witte to the 60s, fifty years have passed,

              Only here society under Witt was much more free, honest and humane- this is evidenced by the number of different parties, views, different press, free elections. jury trials, the number of prisoners, executed, officials and overseers, etc.

              And what is wrong student? Rights!

              Small illustrations about individual members of society, the views and behavior of which were clearly formed before the Soviet government (from personal):
              1) My grandfather, after being wounded near Moscow (I don’t remember exactly, probably 1942) received a vacation and came home. His own parents (I don’t know the details, only the father or mother too) said to the police that he was a deserter and hiding from the army. Grandfather under arrest. Understood, released.
              After marriage (after the war), the grandfather still lived with his parents for some time. The food was prepared separately! Old people hid products. We got to the point that his wife (my grandmother) began to swell from hunger!
              After that, the grandfather broke all ties with them, and only already dying, they asked him for forgiveness. And he forgave them or not, I don’t remember that anymore.

              2) Another story. My great-grandmother married a disabled PMV a second time, already having a child (my grandmother). Those. she was not his native.
              So, my grandmother was evacuated due to hunger (after liberation from the Germans) in Central Asia, she took two children with her, and left her third child (my aunt) in the care of my parents, because with three minors could not cope on the road. My aunt began to swell from hunger, because her grandfather (not her own) hid food! And when the grandmother quietly found supplies of millet and began to cook her (also quietly), then when he found out, he beat my great-grandmother with a piece of iron and she fell down, and after some time died from beating. It is good that my grandmother managed to return from the evacuation by this time and my aunt remained alive. This great-grandfather was really worried after the death of the great-grandmother and also died quickly. Before death, he asked for forgiveness.

              PS Do not idealize the society that was formed in the Republic of Ingushetia. Nobleness is certainly good, especially in films. But in life everything was the same as in life - cruelty, rudeness, betrayal, the struggle for survival. hi
              1. Olgovich 17 May 2020 13: 59 New
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                Quote: Leshy1975
                Small illustrations about individual members of society, the views and behavior of which were clearly formed before the Soviet government (from personal):
                1) My grandfather, after being wounded near Moscow (I don’t remember exactly, probably 1942) received a vacation and came home. His own parents (I don’t know the details, only my father or mother too) told the police that he was a deserter and was hiding from the army.

                No, it was formed during the conspiracy of power (and it would be strange to think that 25 years of radical breakdowns ... did not affect views and behavior).

                They simply knew well the article of the Criminal Code that punishment for neglect counterrevolutionary crimes and especially dangerous crimes against the management order were also distributed on family members of the person who prepared or committed such a crime, i.e. grandfather and grandmother
                Quote: Leshy1975
                PS Do not idealize the society that was formed in the Republic of Ingushetia. Nobleness is certainly good, especially in films. But in life everything was the same as in life - cruelty, rudeness, betrayal, the struggle for survival.

                It was more humane to people in general, about this speech.

                But "cruelty, rudeness, betrayal, the struggle for survival" was, is and will be for a very long time ...
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            Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) She is our contemporary! The future belongs to her and people like her, and not to you.
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              The future belongs to her and people like her, and not to you.

              My future belongs to me personally. I chose to live in good conscience. But you, Caliber, this is not observed.
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                My future belongs to me personally. I chose to live in good conscience.

                In good faith or not, for two centuries, neither you nor I have stored. So do not talk about the future. It is known ...
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                  It is known ...

                  It is not known, but predictable, and you hope that you will become an "idol" for our descendants. And I think that they will be smarter than us, and after understanding our history, they will understand that you are simply the reincarnation of Smerdyakov, but of a later Soviet flood.
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                    It is not known, but predictable, and you hope that you will become an "idol" for our descendants.

                    Already became, but not an idol, but a legend. There is not a single SUT in the country, not a single technical club where, since 1987, there have not been my books on children's technical creativity and I understand that even today they work. Tankimaster magazine read people from 1991 to 1995, and then until 2007 it was very popular, as the umbrella brands say: Aviamaster, Flotomaster, Master + Aviation, Master Gun, Standmaster, Minimaster, and even Master Knife. and books ... look at the Web and read reviews on them. "Tanks are unique ..." reprinted three times, "Die near Moscow ..." two. Samurai received a grant from the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation, as well as the Crusader Knights. Much more ... With me, that's enough.
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                      where since 1987 there would be no my books on children's technical creativity and I understand that even today they work.

                      Stop-stop - why on earth have Soviet publications, which hardly anyone remembers, started to present as the pinnacle of your creative success? Here you advertise yourself almost as a guru of modern PR technologies, and palm off your books, where there is not a word about children's creativity.
                      It may be enough to make jumps on the sides, but is it better to dwell on the main line of your claims to the history of the USSR? As far as I understand, the peak of your creative success falls precisely at the present time, and is it connected with PR propaganda technologies - or did I misunderstand something? Do not be distracted not by the children's art of the Soviet period - you lower the bar for discussing your enchanting activities.
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                      Am I misunderstood something?

                      That's it. I don’t care what and where I have a place. Explain available? There are many much more reputable PR specialists in our country, but mine is mine. I always thought that the main thing is to do what you like and to get paid for it. So I do. I wanted to write about homemade products and broadcast TV programs about them in Penza and Samara, and I did so. And hardly anyone remembers - ha ha! Circulations in hundreds of thousands of copies. They are on all SUITs and are still working on them! Tanks became interesting - he was engaged in them and this resulted in a pile of books and a magazine, published from 1991 to 2007. Knights interested? Books came out and on them. Wanted to write rum on an alternative story? Wrote and he already is in Wikidia. A novel about the history of the Civil War? It is written! About OL? It is written. There is even an erotic novel, “Season of Love,” which sells very well on the Internet. Now also happens with locks. I go and see. And I write about them. That is, what I like, then I do. And PR is work and experience: from 1995 to 2017. That's all!
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                      That's it. I don’t care what and where I have a place.

                      You’re lying - you just wriggle in order to be noticed even on this site.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Explain available?

                      But with the lie that it makes no difference to you, otherwise you would not suffer from such fertility.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      I wanted to write about homemade products and broadcast TV programs about them in Penza and Samara, and I did so.

                      And how did the CPSU prevent you in this matter?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      There’s even an erotic novel, “Season of Love,”

                      In general, Maupassant, Jules Verne and Pikul in one bottle - bravo, such unique ones rarely come across. Whatever the sexuality education of adolescents has written - otherwise I can’t imagine the areas where you wouldn’t be noted. They even began to write about castles - it remains as Fedor Konyukhov to carry out a round-the-world trip and there will be a full paragraph. A fair wind in your ass ....
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                      Writing in VO is my job. And the fact that I do it well, well ... well. Do people notice? Well, that means there is something to notice. As Konyukhov I cannot, I am not interested in traveling alone without family. And what the CPSU prevented about this were my articles taken from the Penza newspapers of that time. They are in articles on technical creativity. And not only the CPSU, but the entire soviet system, only then I did not understand this and worked to strengthen it. However, the last, that is, my efforts, values, as it turned out, had no: Mene, mene, tekel uparsin! As, however, do not have all your stupid accusations. In this case, only your clicks are valuable.
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                      Writing in VO is my job.

                      You seem to specialize in textbooks - are there really ridiculous fees for them that you switched to VO?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      As, however, do not have all your stupid accusations.

                      Why then do you react so painfully to them?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      In this case, only your clicks are valuable.

                      You see, you yourself proved that the value of your work does not interest you - the main thing is to click. A good "educator" - you will not say anything ...
                    6. kalibr 18 May 2020 15: 42 New
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                      Am I reacting painfully? For some reason, you are only reading yourself, but my answers are no. For the second time it went. Who told you that I SPECIALIZE ON TEXTBOOKS WHO? I AM? There was no such thing. I already wrote to you that I do not care what to write about and what to do. The main thing for me is to do what I like! After all, I wrote already! I liked what I’m doing. Got it? What would be interesting, not annoying, and what would they pay. ALL!!!! Why do everyone like YOU think that "a poet in Russia is more than a poet"? It should be? I wrote to you again ... buy my textbook on public opinion management or online journalism, you won’t ask stupid questions. But if you ask me, I have to answer them. There are already 502 comments, right? Catch up to 550? The fees are ridiculous ... but whatever. Happiness is not in money, but in their AMOUNT! Available? Or didn’t you even know this? Here you know. It is necessary to do what requires a minimum of costs, but gives a maximum of profit! Pareto Law: 80 to 20! Read it and think. Now everything has been explained to you as a little one.
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                      The fees are ridiculous ... but whatever.

                      I realized what all your sadness is ...
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Happiness is not in money, but in their AMOUNT! Available?

                      I immediately said that you are Bender of the post-Soviet spill, and I was not mistaken.
                      And here you are rubbing tales about the difficult Soviet life, although it is already clear that this is only a cover for your own insolvency.
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                      Are you a movie character dumb and dumber in one person? Where did I rub your tales about the difficult Soviet life? I just lived very well. And I never had much sadness! I always knew that in any situation I will be able to live as I like. I repeat once again, the main thing is to do what you want with minimal labor (20%) and get 80% profit for it. If this succeeds, then what kind of insolvency can be discussed. Do not wishful thinking. But in this case, something else is more important: there are already 520 comments, and after mentioning the novel "Season of Love", two have already bought it. Of course, this may be an accident, but it happened shortly after our dialogue. Let's see what happens after that ...
  • Reptiloid 18 May 2020 00: 47 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    No need to compare the incomparable, have you already agreed somehow?

    What do you do when you give here the opinion of a student who is studying at a bourgeois university named after an imperial financier? Fifty years have passed from the time of Count Witte to the 60s, from the time of the 60s to our time, already, count the seventh dozen.

    I’m embarrassed to ask, Vladimir, what did you and your opponent agree on and when? I missed something .... request recourse
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      Ladimir, what did you and your opponent agree on and when?

      I do not remember that I would agree on something there with Shpakovsky. Let it be on his conscience.
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        Quote: Reptiloid
        Ladimir, what did you and your opponent agree on and when?

        I do not remember that I would agree on something there with Shpakovsky. Let it be on his conscience.
        well yes! This is such a PR technique !!!!!!!! What to think of about an opponent! Great! But no wonder.
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          This is such a PR technique.

          This technique is designed for a weak opponent, when persuasion does not help. So, I’m at Shpakovsky’s third reception, when he scatters me from head to toe. laughing
  • Aviator_ 17 May 2020 09: 54 New
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    and I don’t want to look out the window 1933-1963?

    And what, in this period a black hole? There industrialization (even Moldova affected), purging from traitors, Victory, restoration of the country, Space. Something like this.
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      Quote: Aviator_

      And what, in this period a black hole? There industrialization (even Moldova affected), purging from traitors, Victory, restoration of the country, Space. Something like this.

      Not only.

      In this window there are also many millions of people who died of starvation, many hundreds of thousands of people executed (in a year!), Millions of people who were exiled. unprecedented military disasters and losses in the world, peasants paying tribute, a demographic catastrophe since the 1930s, tens of thousands of monuments of Russian glory, culture, art, hundreds of millions of abortions destroyed. wild alcoholism, etc.

      sterilization, yes, where to spread? People were able to eat, dress and live on m2 as in 1913 already after forty years!

      You are from the "Truth", then distracted, it was a window into a non-existent, parallel "reality2
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        People were able to eat, dress and live on m2 as in 1913 already after forty years!

        Wow, did you dance in bast shoes in the early 50s?
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          Quote: Olgovich
          People were able to eat, dress and live on m2 as in 1913 already after forty years!

          Wow, did you dance in bast shoes in the early 50s?

          not wow, but wow! And it is : read Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955
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            not wow, but wow! : read Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955

            I read it.
            Compared to the nutrition of the population in pre-revolutionary Russia, the nutrition of the population in 1954 has improved significantly. The population of the USSR in 1954 per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):


            Bread Products - 90

            Potato - 204

            Vegetables and gourds - 165

            Meat and Fat - 119

            Fish and fish products - 133

            Milk and dairy products in milk - 114

            Eggs - 175

            Sugar - 258
            1. Olgovich 18 May 2020 09: 26 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Olgovich
              not wow, but wow! : read Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955

              I read it.
              Compared to the nutrition of the population in pre-revolutionary Russia, the nutrition of the population in 1954 has improved significantly. The population of the USSR in 1954 per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):


              Bread Products - 90

              Potato - 204

              Vegetables and gourds - 165

              Meat and Fat - 119

              Fish and fish products - 133

              Milk and dairy products in milk - 114

              Eggs - 175

              Sugar - 258

              That's it: after 40 (FORTY1) years, we just DIDED 1913!

              There is also a table of kcal consumption: in 1955, for the RSFSR, the figure was 2895 kcal, in Russia it was MORE than 3 kcal
              1. Deniska999 18 May 2020 10: 49 New
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                Well, from these forty years we subtract four years of the First World War, another four years of civil life and four years of the Great Patriotic War. Thus, out of forty years, only 28 are peaceful. It is more correct to compare, for example, 1913 and 1917 (how consumption fell during the WWII), then how it fell during the Civil War. Accordingly, take the end of the GW as a base, consider recovery before 1941, consider the fall for the Second World War and the pace of post-war recovery.
                This is more interesting than just having a storm of emotions.
                1. Olgovich 18 May 2020 12: 12 New
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                  Quote: Deniska999
                  Well, from these forty years we subtract four years of the First World War, another four years of civil life and four years of the Great Patriotic War. Thus, out of forty years, only 28 are peaceful. It is more correct to compare, for example, 1913 and 1917 (how consumption fell during the WWII), then how it fell during the Civil War. Accordingly, take the end of the GW as a base, consider recovery before 1941, consider the fall for the Second World War and the pace of post-war recovery.
                  This is more interesting than just having a storm of emotions.


                  in order not to deal with unnecessary calculations, it is enough to know that already by 1928 the level of 1913 g for consumption was. practically achieved.

                  But in 1933,37,40 g-was full opa compared with both 1928 and 1913

                  See Report of the CSB 1955
                  1. Deniska999 18 May 2020 12: 18 New
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                    Let's get a link, let's see.
                  2. Olgovich 18 May 2020 12: 31 New
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                    Quote: Deniska999
                    Let's get a link, let's see.


                    Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR to Bulganin 1955

                    It is available on Istmat, http://istmat.info/node/18419.

                    and take a look at the clothes.

                    at the same time, how many times the consumption of meat, etc. in the "dying" USA in the 30s was higher than in the USSR ....
                  3. Deniska999 18 May 2020 13: 28 New
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                    If you think that what I saw will cause me anger or something like that, then we’ve got to one) Thanks for the link.
                  4. Olgovich 18 May 2020 14: 06 New
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                    If you believe that what you see will cause i have anger or something like that, then no one hit)

                    belay lol laughing
                    Quote: Deniska999
                    Thanks for the link.

                    Do you have a link?
                    I don’t have an isthmate, why ...
                  5. Deniska999 18 May 2020 15: 18 New
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                    A saved copy in google opened.
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                    A saved copy in google opened.

                    Interesting, nevertheless, your opinion?
  • Aviator_ 17 May 2020 12: 33 New
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    Well, why millions - billions, go all the way to your blessed Moldova. The main grief for her is the year 1940, when they joined the USSR, and in 1944, when she returned to the USSR.
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      Quote: Aviator_
      Well, why millions - billions

      Because DOCUMENTS say so. moreover, false Bolshevik documents.
      But even they cannot hide the truth.
      Quote: Aviator_
      The main grief for her is the year 1940, when they joined the USSR, and in 1944, when she returned to the USSR.

      The main grief for Bessarabia, as well as for the whole of Russia, is Thieves coupwho turned it into ... a Romanian province, and then .... who turned RUSSIAN Bessarabia into ... some kind of circumcised "MSSR" (without even asking its inhabitants). fool

      Who gave you the right so deal with land of Russia temporary workers, huh? fool
      Having cut off Bessarabia, passing Budzhak and Khotin .... some so-called "Ussr", cutting into parts of the Gagauz and Bulgarians, etc.? angry

      Do you even understand what you have done? no
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        Well, yes, the Microwire Association was also created. Ashes do not have enough head to sprinkle for all the atrocities of the Bolshevik Communists. I grieve with you. Govorukhin, by chance, did not consult with you when his opus "Russia that we lost" sculpted?
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          Well, yes, the Microwire Association was also created.

          They robbed Russia and created Moldova and Ukraine.

          Once again: WHO temporary workers gave the right to squander Russia?

          Traitors ....
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            In-in, robbers, French rolls from all residents of the Republic of Ingushetia were taken away, villains - commies
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              In-in, robbers, French rolls from all residents of the Republic of Ingushetia were taken away, villains - commies

              you selected the rolls in 1921,22,24,25,28,32,33, 37,39,46,47, and in other years there were wild lines for everything.

              And the people of Russia, you took their land - 5 million km2, brought him to the Russian cross, caused irreparable damage to his culture, history and scientific personnel
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                caused irreparable damage to his culture, history and scientific staff

                As a scientist, I grieve with you, I did not know anything like this without these revelations! Spread a muddy puddle of tears and snot in great sorrow ...
              2. Olgovich 19 May 2020 20: 54 New
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                As a scientist I mourn with you, I didn’t know like that


                Duc, and see it ....

                “W. W, W!” Said one of your foreign Swiss carls. And you?! belay am

                disgrace ... lol
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                What wanted to say something, sickly? Moldovan wine at night is harmful in such quantities. Sleep well, dear comrade.
              4. Olgovich 20 May 2020 06: 35 New
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                What wanted to say something, sickly?

                1. poke - you will be yours lol wife, lol

                2. WHAT is incomprehensible, difficult to understand? belay request

                Karl already .... forgot? His ... "works"? belay

                So tie with the boyar : then you can understand at least something don't fall asleep- ahead of time hi
              5. Aviator_ 20 May 2020 08: 06 New
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                Well, sensitive, just like a former caliber of Marxism-Leninism propagandist. It seems that he was in the same party.
              6. Olgovich 20 May 2020 08: 11 New
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                Quote: Aviator_
                Well, sensitive, just like a former caliber of Marxism-Leninism propagandist.

                No in "it"I did not enter. no
                Quote: Aviator_
                Seem to be, in one party with him consisted.

                did you try to cross yourself? And it is

                Or does karma not allow? lol
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    Space

    Yes, your whole cosmos is not worth those childhood tears that children shed during the scoop from hunger, shed losing their parents, declared enemies of the people, shed when they were forced to publicly refuse them. Space ... in the coffin they saw him and what for he surrendered to them.
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      Well, Vyacheslav, I was ready to hear such a thing from the great sadman for RI Olgovich, but from you, about the classic tear of a child? Getting old!
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        Sergey, but this is already strange. You seem to be not from a plow or from a village, but you poke me as well ... It is somehow inconvenient for you to remind you that there are certain rules of politeness accepted among cultured people ... And the classical one is not wrong!
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          Yes, hatred of the village just rolls over. A consequence of the distribution work, probably. In fact, there is something to argue? Dostoevsky's literary hero - the standard of decency?
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            Quote: Aviator_
            Yes, hatred of the village just rolls over. A consequence of the distribution work, probably. In fact, there is something to argue? Dostoevsky's literary hero - the standard of decency?

            Hatred of the USSR and all those who lived in the USSR, without exception. hi hi good morning SERGEY !!
            1. Aviator_ 18 May 2020 18: 14 New
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              Hatred of the USSR and all those who lived in the USSR, without exception.

              With the exception for myself, my beloved.
              Good evening, Dmitry. Finally appeared. Have you read anything from the sent one? There is also.
              1. Reptiloid 19 May 2020 02: 51 New
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                Thank you Sergey I really like your articles. These are the most interesting stories about that time, moreover with a photo and mention of real specific people and scientists. And not all gossip and jokes about his own relatives.
    2. Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 20: 30 New
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      that the children during the scoop shed from hunger, shed losing parents declared enemies of the people

      My grandfather was a prisoner. After being wounded in a penal battalion, he was sent to the mine. Ah, what are the tears, Vyacheslav Olegovich ... My grandfather twice a week pound chicken for 6-8, and my grandmother did not work at all after the war.
      1. kalibr 17 May 2020 21: 42 New
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        Material about hunger will be here ... Do not worry!
  • Slavs 17 May 2020 14: 42 New
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    and I don’t want to look out the window 1933-1963?

    And what year is it outside your window ??
    Or did you fit into the market?
  • Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 09: 45 New
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    another vyser towards the USSR... look at the window of Shpakovsky, that’s where all the vices have gathered and flourish!

    Yes, the author is ready to throw substance on a fan of history, especially in the Soviet period, 24 hours a day. Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the ranks of the party, tried, confiscated illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society, today they are protected, parades are held for them, real terms are replaced by conditional , or even limited to fines, and the power-holding "elite" by any means trying to justify these things with tolerance and tolerance. Article minus.
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      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Yes, the author is ready to throw substance on a fan of history, especially in the Soviet period, 24 hours a day. Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the ranks of the party, tried, confiscated illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society, today they are protected, parades are held for them, real terms are replaced by conditional , or even limited to fines, and the power-holding "elite" by any means trying to justify these things with tolerance and tolerance. Article minus.

      I, too, Dmitry is indignant, all this next wave of dirt and slop poured by some on the past of the USSR!
      Dulles’s plan works and is very tricky now .. And the name of Stalin, if you pronounce, then generally their epilepsy starts to beat and foam from the mouth .. negative
      They are afraid of the restoration of the Soviet system .. Many will have to answer, and not like now, with a subscription about not leaving and a conditional term ..
      Treason of the Motherland was punished cruelly in the USSR and at this level theft in a particularly large size SHOT! Here they are what they are afraid of and are shaking ..!
      Wake up Ilyich or who instead of you (just not Zyuganov) .. Bourgeois completely insolent !!!
    2. kalibr 17 May 2020 14: 06 New
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      Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the party, judged, confiscated the illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared his forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society

      And for some reason they did not decrease!
      1. Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 14: 08 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the party, judged, confiscated the illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared his forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society

        And for some reason they did not decrease!

        Only two were overlooked - Gorbachev and Yeltsin. After that, the whole world went into a stage of chaos and an endless mess.
        1. kalibr 17 May 2020 14: 27 New
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          But what about? But they forgot about Khrushchev, huh? There were a lot of articles about him that he was a Trotskyist and, in general, a byak. Not good!
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            But what about? But they forgot about Khrushchev, huh? There were a lot of articles about him that he was a Trotskyist and, in general, a byak. Not good!

            This raccoon of its aspen also deserves, but we must admit that the world in a mess and chaos plunged two pretzels Marked and Kultyapy pushing the USSR to collapse, after which there was nothing left that could act as a counterweight to the United States.
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              Around some raccoons ... "sneaked and falling apart!"
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              two pretzels Tagged and Stumpy pushed the USSR into collapse and chaos, pushing the USSR to collapse, after which there was nothing left that could act as a counterweight to the United States.
              By your desire to fence off the CPSU, which lifted up all the slag, which gradually decomposed and handed over the country to the enemy, to write off all the two scapegoats, you expose the USSR in a much more miserable and unsightly form than it deserves. Can you imagine two Chinese or Americans who would be at the top of power and could destroy China or the United States today, respectively? I can’t imagine it even in Estonia. Enough of this lie about the two traitors to drive.
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                Enough of this lie about the two traitors to drive.

                With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!
                1. sniperino 17 May 2020 18: 17 New
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                  With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!
                  I would rather call them "grave diggers". Instead of criticism, which allows to identify strengths and weaknesses, they say "only good", get brown, weepers are released ... Not the Communist Party, but the funeral home
                2. Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 19: 07 New
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                  Quote: kalibr
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Enough of this lie about the two traitors to drive.

                  With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!

                  With such "historians" indiscriminately scribbling the past, Russia has a vague future.
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                    sweeping past

                    I offered the defenders of this past and the address of the archive and the No. of affairs for verification ... refuse, Why would it? So pathetically they write - like you, but how it comes to a specific case, a bummer ...
                    1. Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 22: 44 New
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                      I offered the defenders of this past and the address of the archive and the No. of affairs for verification ... refuse, Why would it?

                      Hm. Vyacheslav, archives can be used in different ways. For some, the archive is the foundation on which statehood and morality are based with all its achievements and vices, which together form the STATE and the NATION. However, in recent years, there are more and more people for whom access to the archive is just an opportunity to pull out a “brick” from the foundation in order to weaken the NATION by introducing an ideological split into it, and as a result weaken the STATE. Our neighbors, who voluntarily and proactively have lost the status of fraternal people, now in a state of "ill-treatment," take joy to you to demolish the monuments to Ilyich, tear out Zhukov’s bas-reliefs with meat, crush the monuments to Vatutin and Tolbukhin, Suvorov and Pushkin (what didn’t please?), tearing orders from veterans, renaming avenues and streets to Bandera and Shukhevych also do not like the USSR and are actively decommunizing for the possibility of visa-free travel and lace shorts. You can understand them, because they don’t have “their” history because it is an integral part of the history of Russia and they are actively trying to form it by substituting, it just doesn’t work out well. But now, what I can’t understand, are you happy for what, pulling out individual vicious episodes and trying to pull these episodes throughout the history of the Soviet past? I am absolutely sure that visa-free travel and lace shorts are not your dream. I understand that perhaps there is some kind of "family-tribal" resentment against the Soviets, but those Soviets have not been around for almost 30 years, and those who lived under the Soviets are still alive and have the opportunity to honestly and impartially compare their "scumbag" "serene pink real." The bottom line is that the data you provided is not your Discovery revealing the scoops of the "scoop" !!! No one made this secret !!! They opened, condemned and punished, as evidenced by archival documents !!! So the "defender of the past" will come to the archive at your call and see the same thing - the fund, case number, inventory, document number, content, page - will get acquainted and make a conclusion - "Identified and uprooted, therefore the system was self-sufficient and aimed at cleansing your ranks and society! ", and on a separate episode you concluded -" And yet there were buggers, and therefore the whole Soviet system was vicious! " Just like Omar Khayyam
                      "Two people looked at one window,
                      One saw rain and mud
                      Other foliage is green ligature, Spring and the sky is blue ...
                      Two archives were looking at one thing ...
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                      Recently, there are more and more people for whom access to the archive is just an opportunity to pull out a “brick” from the foundation in order to weaken the NATION by introducing an ideological split in it, and as a result weaken the STATE.
                      These are Putinites, exactly? In part - these are young people who have not personally seen that life, but perceiving it from the stories of their parents about the lost paradise, heard against the background of lawlessness and disasters of the 90s. There are still traitors for whom the myth of the "paradise of the land of soviets" is not a matter of faith and dreams, but a means of rocking the current government in a crisis situation in order to snatch their piece when the country collapses; there are bots that spoil Soros’s money for training manuals, not understanding where and why they are being paid. Is there a “split” with them? You don’t have to make fun of them at all.
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                  With such "historians" sweeping the past
                  I did not present myself as a historian anywhere, Vyacheslav was not noticed in the sweeping harassment, rather, on the contrary, warm nostalgic notes are not uncommon in his articles on the USSR. If only a violation of the principle of “either good or nothing” called “indiscriminate fucking” ...
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                    With such "historians" indiscriminately scribbling the past, Russia has a vague future.

                    Quote: sniperino
                    I’ve never presented myself as a historian,

                    stop So this was not addressed to you ...
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                With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!

                That's for sure. Kakat on the same field with you I would beware.
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              By your desire to fence off the CPSU, which lifted up all the slag that gradually decomposed and turned the country over to the enemy, to write off all the scapegoats, you expose the USSR in a much more miserable and unsightly form than it deserves.

              Yes, sir to you fullness. Where in my comment did you dig that I am trying to fence off the CPSU? There is not a single word about the CPSU in it. But if you mentioned it and the “two scapegoats”, it would not be a sin to recall that it was during Gorbachev’s being and perestroika that in October 1988 a decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU was issued banning party organizations of any level from interfering in economic issues. In December 1988, amendments were made to the Constitution regarding elections, thanks to which representatives of the "democratic" direction appeared. AT March 1990, the provision on the leading and guiding role of the CPSU was removed from the Constitution, and Humpbacked became president - in other words, the headman, whom the CPSU, according to the Constitution, could no longer impede. After signing the Bialowieza Agreement, Boriska first phoned Bush with a report that the USSR no longer exists. Who however Yeltsin declared independence of Russia and gave rise to a parade of sovereignty? - and soon from the rostrum of the US Congress he called on God to "Protect America." Who, no matter how these two raccoons purposefully led the country to collapse? If this is not so, then correct.
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                But if you mentioned it and the “two scapegoats”, it is not a sin to recall that it was during Gorbachev’s being and perestroika that in October 1988 a decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU was issued banning party organizations of any level from interfering in economic issues.
                The other party members in the Central Committee met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope? Or were not in the know ...
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                  This "trump card" speckled to holes, show something fresher
                  Quote: sniperino
                  The other party members met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope?
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                    This "trump card" speckled to holes, show something fresher
                    Sorry, I don’t sit down on cards, also with such ... experienced players.
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                    Sorry, I don’t sit down on cards, also with such ... experienced players.

                    hi
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                The other party members in the Central Committee met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope? Or were not in the know ...

                Have you completely lost your memory?
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                  [quote = Mordvin 3] [quote = sniperino] The remaining party members in the Central Committee met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope? Or weren’t in the know ... [/ quote] And you completely lost your memory? No, not out. But this is not the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU of 1988, which was discussed, but the Congress of the USSR Supreme Council 1989. And your attempt to stick a humpback to the wall comes from a special trick or hangover? Has anyone written that there was not a single honest communist in the country? Did you find one brave and honest woman whom the deputies shouted and hissed, trying to shut her up, intimidate her, and want to give this disgrace as evidence of democracy, refuting my "slander" of the CPSU? Do not disgrace yourself.
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                  And your attempt to stick a humpback to the wall comes from a special trick or from a hangover?

                  This is where I sculpt humpbacked? Can still remember Sakharov?
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                  This is where I sculpt humpbacked? Can still remember Sakharov
                  He was a member of the Central Committee? Keep sculpting
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                  He was a member of the Central Committee?

                  He was a deputy. What am I sculpting? Are you overeating bleached?
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                  Aw! You flew far away
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                  Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU prohibiting party organizations of any level from interfering in economic issues
                  It went from here, it is about the CPSU and its Central Committee. You started smuggling the Armed Forces of the USSR here, even Sakharov was dragged ... I don’t know if this is bleached, or something else.
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                  It went from here, it is about the CPSU and its Central Committee.

                  And what about the Central Committee? Do you know how Romanov was denied access to power?
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                  Do you know how Romanov was denied access to power?
                  You can at least talk about how Gorbachev and Yeltsin were allowed. Their intrigues are not interesting to me at all, but this is definitely not the Soviet government in its initial projects. Discussions have lost nerve, or you want to sweep under the table with some single "feats".
  • Tutahamon 17 May 2020 16: 13 New
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    But what about? But they forgot about Khrushchev, huh? There were a lot of articles about him that he was a Trotskyist and, in general, a byak. Not good!

    Khrushchev ran in an embroidered shirt .. Stalin extinguished, freed Bandera, donated Crimea and then actually planted a bomb under the USSR economy ...
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    so you are one of them.
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      so you are one of them.

      I AM ? It was you who suddenly appeared from the bowels of the VO ..)))
  • your1970 17 May 2020 21: 39 New
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    Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the ranks of the party, tried, confiscated illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared their forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society,

    I’ll just remind you that EACH subsequent Secretary General announced associates previous crooks and spies ......
    All without exception Lenin’s comrades-in-arms turned out to be enemies of the people, Stalin himself turned out to be the enemy, Khrushchev turned out to be a voluntarist, Brezhnev a conqueror (the only one whose comrades were not shot and planted was not particularly shocked). Moreover, ALWAYS this turned out to be suddenly- yesterday, they were still quite decent for the People’s Commissar-and today they are already a spy and shot .... werewolves, what’s there ..... completely, that's what’s strange ....
    Where did the party look? or 16 million have not seen - what's going on upstairs?
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      Where did the party look? or 16 million have not seen - what's going on upstairs?
      They saw everything, understood everything, and therefore the negative selection went to the party power: the one who saw and understood that some abominations were happening, but found the courage to openly tell the party comrades about this, did not rise above. Those who saw this, but found the "strength and talent" in themselves, shouted expressively shouting how everything is fine with us and thanking for personally the superior secretary. And party power has already issued a pass to state administration. So they shouted. The rest is a consequence. And the myth-makers continue to scream.
  • bober1982 17 May 2020 05: 42 New
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    Any revolution is not only violence, but also the creation of a myth about a new life - for this myth, a new human type must be created. As Marx subtly noted, it is necessary to free oneself from the dung of centuries, that is, mutate a person, change his mind.
    Therefore, I had to work with such human "material", part of which did not want to get rid of this very manure of centuries, and the other part continued to consider itself the image of God
    And whether the person had a party ticket, or did not, does not matter much.
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      Quote: bober1982
      . As Marx subtly noted, it is necessary to free oneself from the dung of centuries, that is, mutate a person, change his consciousness.

      there is a more subtle observation, it is necessary to free manure of Marx and K, and the "imperfect" human material will appear as normal ordinary people
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        there is a more subtle observation, it is necessary to free manure of Marx and K, and the "imperfect" human material will appear as normal ordinary people

        Unfortunately, this is just a fantasy, two world wars destroyed the former humanity and the old order.
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        Before Marx, “normal” humanity did not know the theft of betrayal and fag?
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          Before Marx, “normal” humanity did not know the theft of betrayal and fag?

          knew.

          And?
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            AND? You propose to remove Marx and K, and all will be right now
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              Quote: Tlauicol
              AND? You propose to remove Marx and K, and all will be right now

              the presence of Marx and K did not save society from
              Quote: Tlauicol
              larceny of betrayal and fag


              Moreover, there are more And it is
        2. Tutahamon 17 May 2020 16: 18 New
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          Before Marx, “normal” humanity did not know the theft of betrayal and fag?

          So you wrote .. I'm still in stupar and thinking ..
          They spoke out quite well! hi
          Damn it, a thousand devils! Are you right Ivan))))))
      3. Mitroha 17 May 2020 07: 17 New
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        People at all times have been and remain different, with different characters and desires. But then, along with this, there was also a society with a common understanding of good and bad. And it had a great influence on the behavior of the individual. And now there is a bunch of personalities with their own vision of morality and permissiveness, but there is absolutely no society that would serve as a kind of limiter and guide for each individual.
        And even worse, that values ​​are replaced exclusively by momentary and material wealth
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      Therefore, I had to work with such human "material", part of which did not want to get rid of this very manure of centuries, and the other part continued to consider itself the image of God
      And whether the person had a party ticket, or did not, does not matter much.

      Then you look here appeared from the bowels of the site and began to teach us the theory of Marxism-Leninism .. Well, like where are you talking about the State Department and Caitism))))
    3. sniperino 17 May 2020 18: 40 New
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      Any revolution is not only violence, but also the creation of a myth about a new life - for this myth it is necessary to create a new human type.
      Myth for type, or type for myth? We have to figure it out, otherwise we created a myth, but there wasn’t such a type either, although according to official documents it was listed as a new type of community “Soviet people”.
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        Myth for type, or type for myth?

        Of course, for starters, a myth is created, as an example - the French Revolution, with its delusional slogan Freedom equality Brotherhoodwhich is impossible with any world order. And those who threw this absurd slogan to the excited masses understood this well.
        But in order to support people in such an excited state, they need to change people's minds - introduce a new calendar, appoint new gods, destroy all previous traditions, identify entire groups of people for destruction, etc.
  • LeonidL 17 May 2020 06: 14 New
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    The author, as always, demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of that time and those people, trying to squeeze their understanding of life, their vision of that present in which they lived in the distorted proskurov bed of today's reality, today's "concepts", today's interpretations of the concepts of "conscience and honor", patrotism and heroism . Why is he doing this? Unclear. But dancing on the bones always and at all times does not look quite decent.
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      The author, as always, demonstrates
      genuine historical documents to which 99% of VO readers would never have reached for ages. It’s necessary to judge the history “understanding that time”, as you put it, knowing it from all sides, and not one-sidedly, as before they imposed knowledge about it without fortune telling - it was, it wasn’t ... If you can’t figure it out, it’s sad . Do not understand the elementary. But broadcast with such aplomb. Although I usually explain everything in an accessible way.
      1. Sergey S. 17 May 2020 09: 23 New
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        Forced to step on his throat. and tear someone else’s proposal into components.
        Only the ambiguity of this sentence excuses me.
        Quote: kalibr
        Judging the story ... you need ... not one-sided, as before

        I agree completely.
        The science of "history" appeared precisely for this purpose. Consistency, comprehensiveness, scale of the material ... balance according to evaluation criteria, criteria for assessing quality or result ...
        Here it is only necessary to begin, and “as before” will be moved back centuries or, depending on the “age of the people”, for millennia.

        Quote: kalibr
        the knowledge about him was imposed

        Who imposed what to whom?
        Now, for example, the idea is being imposed that the USSR came up with "backward Russia."
        There are still scoundrels who came up with the idea that their grandfathers (they themselves think that they weren’t personally, but their neighbors) were sadists and cannibals ... But how else to explain the GULAGs and the success of "communism construction projects"?
        Somewhat earlier they thought that Prince Rurik came and organized the state ... one could say from scratch ...

        In reality, this should not be about imposing, but about scientific information.
        But you can only inform someone who is interested and who is able to perceive ... That is, who at least has mastered the school curriculum, and not only in history.
        That's what on Topvar, mostly retirees lead discussions - a good education allows. And they, that is, us, cannot impose something alien. Everyone chose a life path, walked a long road along it, gained experience, and draws conclusions that depend mainly on the groups in which he worked or served.
        Someone is lucky, someone is not very ...
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        Quote: kalibr
        genuine historical documents

        Shpakovsky, you only genuine abominations are much to be pulled out, as for our glorious Soviet period.

        After all look at all your articles. You do not write anything good about the USSR, as if this was not at all. The method that you have chosen is akin to spitting in a well. With clean water, by the way!
      3. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 10: 22 New
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        Although I usually explain everything in an accessible way.

        No, Shpakovsky, you do not explain, you fantasize, and often just lie.
        Read my post at the end of the thread.
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          just lying.

          And you prove it! And not empty words, but documents in hand ... With documents!
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            Quote: kalibr
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            just lying.

            And you prove it! And not empty words, but documents in hand ... With documents!

            And I brought you a document - the authority of the OS.
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              This is not a document. The document is what I have. And if it contains errors, then you must admit it is very significant. In particular, he speaks of a superficial attitude towards the preparation of a discussion of the issue. And I wrote to you how to check it all. Archive address: Penza, st. Volodarsky, 12A OFOPO GAPO. You follow the link, request the specified document - the pages are indicated by me and you receive a photocopy. That's all! If you are already such a fighter for the idea, then pay 10 p. per page is it expensive?
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                If you are already such a fighter for the idea, then pay 10 p. per page is it expensive?

                To prove something to you, I won’t even spend a ruble on the futility of spending. Because it’s not really important to you, but the justification of your betrayal of a story that you supposedly serve.
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                  Well, do not prove, it is your right. As they say, it would be suggested ...
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        genuine historical documents to which 99% of VO readers would never have reached for ages.

        We have lived our lives in the USSR and put your archives docks to hell .. You’ll get all the dirt out of the archives of the district and regional committees .. But in the real archives of the country you are not allowed to do such things and they’re doing the right thing !!! soldier fool
        1. kalibr 17 May 2020 21: 24 New
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          The country's archives do not allow you to do such things and do it right

          "Do not judge rashly, says the gospel and Mr. Cardinal!"
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            Oh yeah ... Haberdashery and cardinal is power ... No offense, but from the song ...
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          We lived life in the USSR
          - ALL power in the USSR belonged to the district committee and regional committee.
          Quote: Tutahamon
          You pull out all the dirt from the archives of the district and regional committees.
          - i.e. dirt accumulated in the archives current on that moment AUTHORITIES you see you do not want?
          Quote: Tutahamon

          But in the real archives of the country you are not allowed such people and are being correctly done !!! soldier fool
          if in the archives of district and regional committees of the CPSU - such dirt, then in these archives then that?!

          Z.Y. 1980, in our district 2, the secretary of the district committee, being drunk to feces, crushed 2 small children, his mother went crazy, her father wrote to all authorities ... They put me in prison?
          The matter ended with the killer being transferred to another district as head of the district committee sector ...
          Sound familiar?
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            The matter ended with the killer being transferred to another district as head of the district committee sector ...
            Sound familiar?

            Mara Baghdasaryan recalls - she generally puts on the current government, although she does it worse than any second secretary of the district committee could afford.
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              I can not argue. I just know that the first secretaries allowed themselves. Mara cries
            2. kalibr 19 May 2020 08: 12 New
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              Stupid comparison, very much! How to compare garden vegetables with a finger. Then and now there are two big differences. Then - the state for the benefit of the people, "our steering party", "the people and the party are one", etc. Now the "anti-people regime." You can not compare! Clear?
      5. LeonidL 18 May 2020 03: 22 New
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        You select genuine historical documents in accordance with your preferences and tastes, and comment accordingly.
        I began to live in the time of Stalin in a house distorted by fragments of shells and bombs. I listened to the conversations and conversations of people rebuilding the mines of Donbass and the enterprises of Kharkov, creating a tank city in Nizhny Tagil, wound in medical evacuation trains and flying from the fronts to Yaroslavl (which also bombed) and back. Lost legs and arms from Brest to Stalingrad and from Stalingrad to Berlin. No one then imposed knowledge, do not deceive the people, then people made history daily and hourly. And they read the newspapers and what was printed there in most cases corresponded to their wise course, mood. what you do is sad. Do not appropriate a kind of omniscience, professor, know-it-all against the background of a "cattle who do not understand you". Most likely your elementary vision of the world and the past is rather wretched. the matter is most likely in you, and not in us. What aplomb did you find in five lines? Where from? Usually you can explain it in an accessible way, but your explanations are incorrect ... even though they are available to you.
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          A lot of pathos, a lot of resentment. Father Stalingrad never passed
          Bukhtel. And you, God forgive me, are looking for bad words ... Cho, have you found ??? Do not be angry in vain, comrade. ..
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          Most likely your elementary vision of the world and the past is rather wretched.

          Do not ascribe “high matters” to him - Shpakovsky is a typical representative of that Soviet minority from the past, which is popularly called two-faced or chameleons. There have always been such in our history, and this one is just too shrill, although I’m sure that he wouldn’t write anything at all if he hadn’t been paid for it. His mercantile spirit in Runet may even go into the saying - "greedy for money like Shpakovsky."
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    Excluded from the ranks of the CPSU for moral degradation, expressed in the occupation of sodomy. On April 25, 1963, a regional court sentenced him to 3 years and 6 months in prison. The decision of the lower party organization OK CPSU approved.

    Few people know, but following the famous decrees of Lenin “On Peace” and “On Earth”, which marked the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917, at the insistence of Trotsky, Lenin’s decrees “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of punishment for homosexuality” (the last - as part of the decree “On civil marriage, on children and on incorporation into acts of civil status”). They were signed by Lenin on December 19, 1917. In the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1922 and 1926 homosexuality was not mentioned ... The doctors and lawyers of the RSFSR were at first very proud of the progressiveness of their legislation. At the Copenhagen Congress of Sexual Reforms (1928), it was even set as an example to other countries.
    Stalin, the future leader and builder of the USSR, was well aware that, along with the socialist revolution in Russia, a sexual revolution had also taken place. He also understood that it was not dangerous in itself. Sodomy is dangerous, first of all, by its organization and mutual support - this is the minority that, thanks to its cohesion, wants to establish power and dictatorship over the majority. That is why Stalin made considerable efforts to return the criminal punishment for sodomy (homosexuality) and try to uproot this phenomenon from a socialist society. However, he was prevented by an influential homosexual lobby.
    It helped Stalin to return the criminal liability for homosexual relations, only a case. In 1933, in Moscow and Leningrad, the organs of the OGPU revealed the "association of homosexual communists." OGPU Deputy Chairman Heinrich Yagoda linked the existence of homosexual communities with counter-revolution, espionage and an attempt to usurp power in the republic.
    In his memorandum to Stalin in the fall of 1933, he wrote about the arrest of members of groups who were engaged in "creating a network of salons, outbreaks, dens, groups and other organized groups of homosexuals with the further transformation of these associations into direct cells of influence, and pushing their adherents into power APRF. F. 45. On. 1. D. 780. L. 14. Typewriting.».

    In a December 1933 letter to Stalin, Yagoda wrote: “Homosexuals recruited and corrupted perfectly healthy youth, Red Army men, Red Navy men and individual university students. We do not have a law under which they could be prosecuted. I would consider it necessary to issue an appropriate law on criminal liability for pederasty. ” PRF. F. 45. On. 1. D. 797. A typewriter with corrections of the author. .

    And already on March 7, 1934, a law came into force according to which sodomy is qualified as a criminal offense in all the republics of the USSR. The sentence is 5 years. If violence is used or there is a proven connection with minors - 8 years. For some reason, women were not prosecuted under this legislation.
    One of the first people arrested was a prominent diplomat of that time, one of Chicherin’s associates, the head of the protocol part of the People’s Commissariat for Foreign Affairs, and, at the same time, the head of the sub-department of the Scandinavian countries, Dmitry Timofeevich Florinsky. During the investigation, he submitted an application to the board of the OGPU, in which he admitted to working as a paid German spy, being recruited by the secretary of the German embassy in Stockholm. At the first stage of the fight against the conspirators, at least 130 people were detained, and most of the rest of those arrested in the case were by no means simple factory workers - there were many party clerks, workers of the People’s Commissariats, military men, journalists, writers and artists among the city’s homosexuals.
    It is hard to say how true the Berry thesis was. However, it is worth recalling that the beginning of the XNUMXth century - the time of "decoding" and the "silver age" - became the time of various sexual perversions, which sharply became fashionable. Including pederasty. And as the practice of special services shows, often it’s through the “blue passion” that agents are recruited, diplomats are blackmailed ...
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      Anyway, to pursue a person through sexual addictions is somehow leftish. Pedofilov - yes, rapists, exhibitionists .. but "rear-wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to occupy posts in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.
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        rear-wheel drive

        Good morning! Alan Turing? Initiate of Britain.
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          Greetings! hi Quite right - the founder of computer science, who contributed to the victory over Nazism, among other things, by participating in the hacking of Enigma. The Britons wanted to plant him for rear-wheel drive, as a result, they conducted him an anti-hormonal treatment lowering testosterone. Well, not insanity?
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            So this is insanity now! And from the point of view of the then law? And not only in Britain, but not only in the USSR.
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              Insanity in principle. 12% of the population is born with such inclinations. To rot them for it?
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                In my opinion, the problem is not in them. And in the promotion of their lifestyle. But this is already slightly beyond! Too aggressive!
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                  As for propaganda and geyparadov - I agree. They are no different from others and masquerade processions that advertise sexual addictions are unacceptable.
                  1. Phil77 17 May 2020 07: 26 New
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                    In principle, Albert, there is a good life wisdom formulated by one of the great:
                    * My freedom ends where the freedom of another begins. * It is of course close to the original. hi But who said that, alas! I don’t remember.
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                      Yes, there is no ... confrontation between gays and straight people. Nobody oppresses anyone - the gameparades are an attempt by these people to prove to others, but actually to themselves, that rear-wheel drive is normal. For me, this exists, and while it exists in someone’s bedroom, it doesn’t bother me from the word in any way.
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                        For me, this exists, and while it exists in someone’s bedroom, it doesn’t bother me from the word in any way.

                        Here! I agree! good
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                        rear-wheel drive is normal. For me, this exists, and as long as it exists in someone’s bedroom, it doesn’t bother me from the word.

                        Even if someone proposes to push your buttocks using your official position, to your son?
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                        Will it be easier for you if your wife or daughter receives such an offer from the boss of the straight?
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                        Will it be easier for you if your wife or daughter receives such an offer from the boss of the straight?

                        Are you a switchman?
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                        Quote: Liam
                        Will it be easier for you if your wife or daughter receives such an offer from the boss of the straight?

                        Are you a switchman?

                        Are you a fan of asking “uncomfortable” questions to others but not answering them?)
                        I just showed that your question is stupid and there is no difference in the orientation of the bosses in this case for normal people. It’s equally disgusting and they should be planted
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                    Even if someone proposes to push your buttocks using your official position, to your son?

                    If you are offered to do this in a pre-trial detention center? )) Your daughter or niece for, say, the last iPhone? There are many options for sexual harassment, the chance to run into gays is not the highest
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                  And you know, dear Albert, I searched. And I found the author of this phrase! Mikhail A. Bakunin! hi
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                  Anarchist)). Interesting personality - Marx, by the way, did not like laughing
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Anarchist)). Interesting personality - Marx, by the way, did not like

                  And why is he an interesting person? wassat
                5. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 17: 28 New
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                  Read who it is .. laughing The founder of anarchism, who did not like Marx - you are not interested, for what?
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Read who it is .. laughing The founder of anarchism, who did not like Marx - you are not interested, for what?

                  Yes, I read Bakunin, I read. But the PERSONALITY he is interesting not because Marx did not like. And you, walking, narrowed the scale of his personality, to the dislike of Marx. fool
                7. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 20: 50 New
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                  And why, in your opinion? Just wondering...))
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Anyway, to pursue a person through sexual addictions is somehow leftish. Pedofilov - yes, rapists, exhibitionists .. but "rear-wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to occupy posts in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.

    bugger?
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      Quote: Bar1
      bugger?

      The keeper of the bond?
    2. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 07: 13 New
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      Quote: Bar1

      bugger?

      Straight, if that interests you so much lol
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        Straight, if that interests you so much


        not attracted but sympathetic?
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          Quote: Bar1
          not attracted but sympathetic?

          Further quite a classic!
          -Location?
          -Where is your parachute?
          - Where's the radio ???? laughing
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          Quote: Bar1


          not attracted but sympathetic?

          If you are gay, then this is your personal matter. hi If not, why are you so interested in my personality in this context? lol
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            1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 36 New
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              Love yourself for who you are hi
        3. kalibr 17 May 2020 07: 58 New
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          Timur, you will continue in the same vein - you are guaranteed a ban!
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            Quote: kalibr
            Timur, you will continue in the same vein - you are guaranteed a ban!

            and in what spirit should I continue? You immediately show and where to discuss for political correctness, this will be freedom of speech under capitalism.
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      Quote: Bar1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Anyway, to pursue a person through sexual addictions is somehow leftish. Pedofilov - yes, rapists, exhibitionists .. but "rear-wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to occupy posts in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.

      bugger?

      what purpose are you interested in? wink
      Quote: Bar1
      bugger?
      1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 41 New
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        He is a lonely soul, looking for a rainbow in the dark repeat
        Greetings, land! hi
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          П

          Shalom! hi

          Quote: Krasnodar
          He is a lonely soul, looking for a rainbow in the dark


          Let be. But not ..... IN! : belay request
          1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 17: 07 New
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            Maybe a man likes men in uniform))
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    Is it by chance that you are not transmitting for non-traditional on STS? sad angry
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      Well, what? Is there such a program? And did it attract your attention? laughing
      * Stirlitz has never been so close to failure. *.
    2. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 07: 46 New
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      Is it by chance that you are not transmitting for non-traditional on STS? sad angry

      This is a question for anyone, excuse me? )))
      1. Phil77 17 May 2020 07: 48 New
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        Yes to you, Albert, to you! Again, in the classics!
        -A question from a caring one! laughing laughing laughing
        1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 07: 55 New
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          I believe that ostentatious homophobia is characteristic of two categories of men - latent homosexuals living in a society where this is unacceptable and a real / former prisoner, for whom gays are one of the castes of prison society. Judge for yourselves - the backbone to a normal bachelor creates less competition in the hunt for girls, game parades are hired by a family man, but we live in a country in which they are forbidden ... So, as psychoanalysts say, "check, deep down in the soul, where the source of this phobia is "? laughing
          1. Phil77 17 May 2020 08: 05 New
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            Well then IT!
            * There are two types of ostriches. Gray and blue. Gray, as usual, cover their heads in the ground, and blue, because of the shelter, just wait for this. * laughing
            1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 08 New
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              laughing ... Chamomile in his face ... leave the nasty, Homeland is in danger!
              There is a couple of gays, towards the guy with the girl who are in the last month of pregnancy. Gay partner: see what mixed marriages lead to!
              1. Phil77 17 May 2020 08: 13 New
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                * A man comes to the doctor.
                - Doctor, it seems I'm * blue *. Is there any medicine?
                - No question, dear! He writes a recipe, gives it to the peasant.
                After a couple of days, the man again at the reception.
                "Doctor, what did you write to me? I haven’t gotten off the toilet for three days?"
                - Now you know what your ass is for! *
                1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 18 New
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                  I heard it differently:
                  Comes to a gay doctor.
                  - Save, I have AIDS!
                  - So sho you are so worried ... there is a cure
                  - What ??
                  - A folk remedy that recently passed successful trials at Stanford. Throw herring in milk, put the jar on the windowsill, in the sun, wait three days, then eat and drink the contents.
                  - Thank you Doctor!
                  Runs away, the Nurse approaches him:
                  - And what was that ??
                  - I want to show him why a normal man needs an ass
                  1. Free wind 17 May 2020 08: 57 New
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                    So it’s almost not an anecdote, but a real case quite often all kinds of singers and so on came to Moscow, about whom I definitely can’t say, maybe it was Macartney, in short every morning they brought him orange juice and milk, someone decided to try this cocktail, spent a day on the pot, his words were: how he can not understand why his ass.
                  2. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 59 New
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                    Rather, Elton John laughing
                2. Free wind 17 May 2020 09: 02 New
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                  Well, in our opinion. A woman comes to the doctor, complains that she is stabbing in her side. He examined her, asking her to call her husband. The doctor saw him ... so you only have horses, not a wife. The horse’s doctor is dead, and she only stabs in her side. laughing
                3. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 09: 03 New
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                  Well horror ... but not Horror, Horror, Horror laughing
            2. Catfish 17 May 2020 12: 35 New
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              Hello Seryoga! fellow
              Today I’m late for your brawl, but ... "I can’t leave without saying goodbye ..." smile

              In principle, also about the ass. drinks
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                Good day, Konstantin! A credible caricature! laughing
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        In his memorandum to Stalin in the fall of 1933, he wrote about the arrest of members of groups who were engaged in "creating a network of salons, centers, dens, groups and other organized groups of homosexuals with the further transformation of these associations into direct cells of influence, and pushing their adherents into power." ..

        The USSR was not alone in this attitude to homosexuality. The same point of view was supported in Nazi Germany. Since 1934, a special Gestapo department has been created in the SA, which was engaged in identifying homosexuals and compiling their lists. Two years later, in 1936, Heinrich Himmler, the chief of the SS, created the whole "Central Imperial Bureau to Combat Homosexuality." At least 100 thousand German homosexuals were arrested and sent to concentration camps. In addition, hundreds of gays in occupied European countries were castrated by force by court order. It is well known that each prisoner was obliged to wear a special identification mark - “vinkil” on his clothes, which made it clear on what basis he was sent to the camp. For gays it was a pink triangle.

        PS.The famous kinolap in the film epic "Liberation", when Dorozhkin and Guslik release the prisoners at the station. And one of them turns out to be a German anti-fascist, greets the liberators with the cry "Mouth Front", and generally commands the prisoners. So, the “vinkil” of his is not a political prisoner, but a homosexual.
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          Quote: Rich

          In his memorandum to Stalin in the fall of 1933, he wrote about the arrest of members of groups who were engaged in "creating a network of salons, centers, dens, groups and other organized groups of homosexuals with the further transformation of these associations into direct cells of influence, and pushing their adherents into power." ..

          Link, where did this "memo" come from, do not give?
          1. rich 17 May 2020 18: 38 New
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            Link, where did this "memo" come from, do not give?

            belay And what is italicized at the end of this memo? laughing wassat
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              Quote: Rich

              belay And what at the end of this memo is in italics? laughing wassat

              I have nothing highlighted.
  • Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 10: 25 New
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    "rear-wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to hold positions in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.

    Why are you so concerned about their fate?
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      Not bothered lol I just consider it insanity to pursue a brow according to preference in my personal life
  • sniperino 17 May 2020 20: 45 New
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    pursue a person through sexual addictions - somehow left.
    Left-wing Marxists saw in the homosexuals of workers, blurring the line between a man and a woman, destroying religious obscurantism and bringing closer the victory of communism. Their persecution is a reaction of the right. Political orientation should not be confused either.
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      Left - meaning stupidly, incorrectly, insanely. Not in the context of political orientation. hi
    2. ccsr 18 May 2020 11: 25 New
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      Quote: sniperino
      Their persecution is a reaction of the right. Political orientation should not be confused either.

      No need to fantasize - study God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism, and then you will understand that sodomy could not be perceived by any Bolsheviks as acceptable for the development of society.
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        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: sniperino
        Their persecution is a reaction of the right. Political orientation should not be confused either.
        No need to fantasize - study God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism, and then you will understand that sodomy could not be perceived by any Bolsheviks as acceptable for the development of society.
        You have problems with source studies. God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism in this case are not sources. On the issue under discussion, you can dig up the activities of the society “Down with shame!” since 1918. This is the ancestral image of LGBT people.
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          Quote: sniperino
          On the issue under discussion, you can dig up the activities of the society “Down with shame!” since 1918. This is the ancestral image of LGBT people.

          Then, so many different "theorists" of Marxism wrote all kinds of garbage, but it is unlikely that their work formed the basis for building a new society. Although there were very advanced Bolsheviks, and they could afford something, but apparently sodomy did not appeal to them in order to consider this necessary for the common cause.
          Quote: sniperino
          You have problems with source studies. God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism in this case are not sources.

          Perhaps, like you have problems with sources:
          One of the most important postulates of the Bible that touches on the topic of homosexuality is the commandments proclaimed by Moses, set out in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. In the 18th chapter of Leviticus, the prohibition of sexual relations, which the Bible reckons with “abomination”, is stated (verse 22, 26-27, 29) and the “vile custom” (verse 30, 23)
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            Then, so many different "theorists" of Marxism wrote all kinds of garbage, but it is unlikely that their work formed the basis for building a new society.
            Are you talking about Marx and Lenin? belay For I. Armand, K. Radek and others I would not attribute to theorists. Trotsky could still be considered to be involved in promoting the disappearance of the family as an archaic form of private property, but I definitely don’t remember about him.
            One of the most important postulates of the Bible that touches on the topic of homosexuality is the commandments proclaimed by Moses, set out in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. In the 18th chapter of Leviticus, the prohibition of sexual relations, which the Bible reckons with “abomination”, is stated (verse 22, 26-27, 29) and the “vile custom” (verse 30, 23)
            These are not the Commandments (there are 10 of them in the Old and 2 in the New Testament). Only the 7th “On Adultery” can be attributed to the sources, but it (as the entire Bible) is interpreted by the Bolshevik Marxists as the opium of the people, priestly nonsense for enslaving the working people, or, perhaps, as a means of their actual liberation? Better Engels about the origin of the family, read if you are more interested in theory, but I advise you to carefully study the practice of the Bolsheviks in this matter.
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              Quote: sniperino
              Are you talking about Marx and Lenin?

              No, not about them - you did not pay attention to the quotation marks, but they were real theorists.
              Quote: sniperino
              Better Engels about the origin of the family, read if you are more interested in theory,

              Not anymore - everything has its own time, I had to study it for a very long time, and now there is no particular interest, my own life is behind me.

              Quote: sniperino
              but I advise you to carefully study the practice of the Bolsheviks in this matter.

              There was only one practice - the country needed working hands, and homosexuality somehow did not help childbearing, and Stalin knew this, which is why such laws were passed.
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                There was one practice - the country needed working hands
                Here is a mistake. The Bolsheviks needed "warriors of light", of which there were enough. They needed only to be armed, in exchange for the lands of RI, having sold church and museum valuables, bread and tossed into the last and decisive, and the world fire would solve all problems. Lenin before leaving politics realized that this number did not pass. NEP is not a way out, it is a stupor. Stalin has already begun to think about construction.
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                  Quote: sniperino
                  this number did not pass
                  "Russia as a weak link"
  • kalibr 17 May 2020 06: 50 New
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    A very good addition to the material, Dmitry! Thank!
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    Quote: Rich
    ы Lenin “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of punishment for homosexuality "

    who would doubt- "His brother-in-law sees from afar! And it is

    Quote: Rich
    It is difficult to say how true the Berry thesis was.


    Yehuda himself indulged in rubber, yes ...

    and until 1933 the USSR was again ahead of the restby abolishing the punishment for pederasty.

    in Germany, homosexuality itself remained jurisdictional until 1969, and, for example, in England - until 1967. AT Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1933 freely practiced civil same-sex marriage
    lol

    And if you recall the active-passive People's Commissar of the NKVD of the USSR Yezhov, we see that the article was applied selectively ...
    1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 57 New
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      Not ... Ilyich had Inessa Armand, but at home Nadezhda Konstantinovna. Yehuda dabbled in rubber during a threesome, and most likely not in relation to himself laughing And, by the way, Ilyich did the right thing, that he abolished punishments for back conductivity - what is there to punish, actually? )))
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        Not ... Ilyich had Inessa Armand, but at home Nadezhda Konstantinovna.

        Inessa is understandable, because to sleep with .... Lamprey belay recourse

        but he was very friendly with the serpentine too, yes ...
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          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Not ... Ilyich had Inessa Armand, but at home Nadezhda Konstantinovna.

          Inessa is understandable, because to sleep with .... Lamprey belay recourse

          but he was very friendly with the serpentine too, yes ...

          It seems that you held a candle to Ilyich
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          Quote: Olgovich
          but he was very friendly with the serpentine too, yes ...

          Andrey! Looks like you overdid it a bit.
          How then to be with Felix Yusupov?
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            Quote: Phil77
            Andrey! Looks like you overdid it a bit.
            How then to be with Felix Yusupov?

            What, and with .... Yusupov, too? recourse request
        3. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 17: 13 New
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          Is Zinoviev, too ... of that ..?
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      Yehuda himself indulged in rubber, yes

      This is not provable.
      1. The fact that he was seized from Berry during a search.
      2. The fact that Yagoda during interrogations categorically denied his property, as well as the property of a collection of pornographic photographs.
      3. Fact - Neither one nor the other fingerprints Berries are not found.
      4. The fact is that they do not appear as forerunners in the materials of the investigation in the Yagoda case.
      Do not forget. whose people arrested Yagoda. To the "bloody dwarf" these "toys" were known like no one else. But Yezhov himself in the investigation admitted to homosexuality. From 15 years of age, Yezhov personally wrote a statement about the penchant for pederasty from the age of 154 to the Investigation Department of the NKVD of the USSR The document described in detail in which years and with whom he indulged in sodomy, more often - “mutually active relations”. Among the usual articles for anti-Soviet activity, there was one that stood out for its unusualness - XNUMX “a” - homosexuality, which in those years was prosecuted by law.
      One of the first who the Chekists arrested as a result of Yezhov’s testimony was Ivan Dementyev, assistant security guard at the Svetoch factory in Leningrad. Their homosexual relationship began back in 1924, when both were sent to work in Semipalatinsk. Following Dementyev, the chairman of the Kazakh regional trade union council, Yakov Boyarsky-Shimshelevich, and the secretary of the Kazakh regional committee, the organizer of the assassination of the royal family, Philip Goloshchekin, were arrested under the same article 154 “a”.
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        Quote: Rich
        Yehuda himself indulged in rubber, yes

        This is not provable.
        1. The fact that he was seized from Berry during a search.
        2. The fact that Yagoda during interrogations categorically denied his property, as well as the property of a collection of pornographic photographs.
        3. Fact - Neither one nor the other fingerprints Berries are not found.
        4. The fact is that they do not appear as forerunners in the materials of the investigation in the Yagoda case.
        Do not forget. whose people arrested Yagoda. To the "bloody dwarf" these "toys" were known like no one else. But Yezhov himself in the investigation admitted to homosexuality. From 15 years of age, Yezhov personally wrote a statement about the penchant for pederasty from the age of 154 to the Investigation Department of the NKVD of the USSR The document described in detail in which years and with whom he indulged in sodomy, more often - “mutually active relations”. Among the usual articles for anti-Soviet activity, there was one that stood out for its unusualness - XNUMX “a” - homosexuality, which in those years was prosecuted by law.
        One of the first who the Chekists arrested as a result of Yezhov’s testimony was Ivan Dementyev, assistant security guard at the Svetoch factory in Leningrad. Their homosexual relationship began back in 1924, when both were sent to work in Semipalatinsk. Following Dementyev, the chairman of the Kazakh regional trade union council, Yakov Boyarsky-Shimshelevich, and the secretary of the Kazakh regional committee, the organizer of the assassination of the royal family, Philip Goloshchekin, were arrested under the same article 154 “a”.

        What beautiful Kazakh surnames ...
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        3. Fact - Neither one nor the other fingerprints Berries not found

        where are the print materials? recourse

        In addition, Yehuda found many FEMALE underwear and dresses.

        They did not appear in the case for the simple reason that they destroyed it for completely different reasons, much more significant
        Quote: Rich
        about the same article 154 "a" arrested the chairman of the Kazakh regional trade union council, Yakov Boyarsky-Shimshelevich and Secretary of the Kazakh Regional Committee, the organizer of the assassination of the royal family Philip Goloshchekin.

        Here, in fact, there is nothing to be surprised, for who are they all, the organizers of the murder? Pdrsty. And it is
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          so maybe he dressed the girls in beautiful underwear that he liked laughing
    3. Sklendarka 17 May 2020 09: 25 New
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      And now the boys' choir will perform a song from the film of all times and peoples ,, Cheburashka '' ,, Blue Carriage ''
      In the next note by Shpakovsky, it is possible to perform a song from the film “Blue Puppy”, but this is only possible ...
    4. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 10: 41 New
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      Quote: Olgovich

      Quote: Rich
      Lenin's “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of the punishment for homosexuality”

      who would doubt- "His brother-in-law sees from afar! yes

      Did you both (rich and you) mean these decrees? -
      = The decree of divorce of December 16 (29), 1917 proclaimed that the marriage is terminated due to the request of both spouses or, at least, one of them, without justification [10];
      The decree on civil marriage, on children and the introduction of state acts-books on December 18 (31), 1917 proclaimed that “the Russian Republic henceforth recognizes only civil marriages ... Church marriage, along with compulsory civil marriage, is a private affair of the couple” [11] (see also Civil marriage). =
      1. rich 17 May 2020 13: 44 New
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        "The decree on divorce" was issued not on 16, but on December 19, 1917.
        And I had in mind his points 14 and 15
        P.14) As regards homosexuality, sodomy, and various other forms of sexual satisfaction, which are considered by European laws to be a violation of public morality, Soviet law treats them just as well as the so-called “natural” intercourse. All forms of voluntary sexual intercourse are private. "
        A.15) Section VIII. Chapter XXVII. Article 516 "On sodomy" of the criminal code of March 22, 1903 shall be considered null and void.

        .
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          ALL-RUSSIAN CENTRAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

          COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S COMMISSAR RSFSR

          DECRET

          from 19 December 1917


          About divorce

          ____________________________________________________________________
          Expired on the basis of
          a joint decision of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR of March 7, 1927.
          ____________________________________________________________________


          1. Marriage is terminated due to a request for both spouses or at least one of them.

          2. The indicated request shall be submitted, in accordance with the rules on local jurisdiction, to the local court.

          Note A declaration of divorce by mutual agreement may also be submitted directly to the department of marriage records, in which a record of the conclusion of the marriage is kept, which department shall record a record of the divorce in the book and issue a certificate of that.

          3. On the day designated for the examination of the request for divorce, the local judge calls both spouses or their attorneys.

          4. If the place of residence of the spouse to be called is unknown, then the application for divorce is allowed at the last known place of residence of the missing spouse or at the place of residence of the applicant, but the court of the last place of residence of the respondent is indicated to him.

          5. If the place of residence of the spouse to be called is unknown, then the day of the hearing of the case shall be appointed no earlier than two months from the date of publication of the publication of the call to the local government newspaper, and the summons shall be sent to the last known place of residence of the respondent by the applicant.

          6. Having ascertained that the request for divorce comes really from both spouses or one of them, the judge single-handedly decides on the dissolution of marriage, and then the spouse is issued with a certificate. At the same time, the judge informs him of a copy of his determination to the marriage records department, where the divorced marriage was completed and where the marriage record book relating to this marriage is kept.

          7. In case of divorce by mutual consent, the spouses are obliged to indicate in the submitted application what surnames will continue to be worn by divorced spouses and their children. If the marriage is divorced at the request of one of the spouses and if there is no agreement between the spouses on this subject, the divorce spouses retain their premarital name, the name of the children is determined by the judge, and in the event of a dispute, the party shall be determined by the local court.

          8. In the case of agreement on the spouse, the judge, at the same time decree on the dissolution of the marriage, determines who have the parents left the minor children, who have survived the marriage, and who the couple should and to what extent should bear the costs of maintaining and raising children, equal as well as about whether the husband is obliged and to what extent to deliver food and maintenance to the divorced wife.

          9. If agreement is not reached, then the husband’s participation in providing his divorced wife with his food and upkeep, in the absence or lack of her own means and inability to work for her, as well as the question of who should have children, is decided by general order in the local court, regardless of the amount of the claim. The judge, having immediately decided the sole ruling on the dissolution of the marriage, determines temporarily, until the dispute is resolved, the fate of the children, as well as decides on the temporary maintenance of both the children and the wife if she needs to.

          10. Cases on the recognition of marriages as illegal or invalid shall continue to be subject to the jurisdiction of a local court.

          11. The effect of this law applies to all citizens of the Russian Republic, regardless of whether they belong to one or another religious cult.

          12. All the presently held spiritual conservatories of the Orthodox ministry and other confessions, the governing synod and all other Christian and non-confessional institutions and confessions and officials who are in charge of the clergy, have decided not to not yet entered into legal force, recognized by the force of this law, destroyed and liable, with all archives being in the production of the above institutions and persons of divorce el, immediate transfer to hraneniya unto the local district courts. The parties are given the right, without waiting for the termination of the previous case, to submit a new request for the dissolution of marriage under this decree, moreover, regarding the absence of a new publication (paragraphs 4 and 5) is not required if it has already been produced in the same manner.

          Chairman Ts.I.K.
          Owls R. S. and Kr. Dep.
          Ya.Sverdlov

          Chairman S.N.K.
          V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

          Control D. S.N.K.
          Bonch-Bruevich

          Secretary
          N. Gorbunov




          Electronic text of the document
          prepared by Codex JSC and verified against:
          dispatch

          Quote: Rich
          Rich (Dmitry) Today, 13: 44

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          "The decree on divorce" was issued not on 16, but on December 19, 1917.
          And I had in mind his points 14 and 15

          Well, where are 14 and 15 points? Congratulations to you.
          1. Phil77 17 May 2020 15: 08 New
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            Congratulations to you.

            However, a quote from * Master and Margarita * Bulgakova. And they wrote that he is not an authority for you? laughing
            1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 16: 11 New
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              Quote: Phil77

              However, a quote from * Master and Margarita * Bulgakova. And they wrote that he is not an authority for you?

              Bulgakov stole this quote from ... guess for yourself.
              1. Phil77 17 May 2020 16: 37 New
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                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Bulgakov stole this quote from ... guess for yourself.

                You are my God! From whom, from whom he stole her ???????!
          2. rich 17 May 2020 18: 23 New
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            Krasnoyarsk: Well, where are 14 and 15 points here?

            And they were too shy to give a note at the bottom of the document? laughing

            The version of this decree you cited from the 1967 collection And it is
            On March 7, 1934, a law came into force according to which sodomy is classified as a criminal offense in all the republics of the USSR and articles of the decree “On the abolition of punishment for homosexuality” were excluded from the decree “On the abolition of marriage” And it is
            Krasnoyarsk: Congratulations to you

            Read any collection of editors' decrees until 1926, at least this one And it is

            Then go to the mirror and congratulate laughing
            1. Phil77 17 May 2020 18: 36 New
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              Greetings to Dmitry! Dear Krasnoyarsk, he sees and interprets an event, a text, of a person only by his own understanding, the only correct one! laughing
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              And they were too shy to give a note at the bottom of the document? laughing

              Quote: Krasnoyarsk


              Chairman Ts.I.K.
              Owls R. S. and Kr. Dep.
              Ya.Sverdlov

              Chairman S.N.K.
              V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

              Control D. S.N.K.
              Bonch-Bruevich

              Secretary
              N. Gorbunov




              Electronic text of the document
              prepared by Codex JSC and verified against:
              dispatch

              What other "footnote" will you give at the bottom of the document? How is your "footnote" different from mine?
              So where are 14 and 15 points?
              Rich, do not fool people and stop the empty chatter. You got it anyway.
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      who would doubt- "His brother-in-law sees from afar!

      Are you talking to yourself and Shpakovsky?
  • Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 14: 25 New
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    at the insistence of Trotsky, Lenin’s decrees “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of the punishment for homosexuality” were issued

    Rich, you are lying! There were no decrees with that name!
  • thinker 17 May 2020 06: 45 New
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    Not a topic, but I think everyone will be interested -
    In Sterlitamak, a bust of Kolchak was demolished

    http://proufu.ru/news/society/92791-ya_ne_smog_ego_otstoyat_nochyu_v_sterlitamake_byl_snesen_byust_kolchaka/
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      Quote: thinker

      Not a topic, but I think everyone will be interested -
      In Sterlitamak, a bust of Kolchak was demolished

      Well, okay !!!
  • Dart2027 17 May 2020 06: 50 New
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    People always remain people. That is life.
    1. Phil77 17 May 2020 06: 58 New
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      Quote: Dart2027
      People always remain people. That is life.

      To the point! And then:
      * People, like people. Only the housing problem ruined them. *
      M. Bulgakov.
      1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 10: 52 New
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        To the point! And then:
        * People, like people. Only the housing problem ruined them. *
        M. Bulgakov.

        And what, Bulgakov became - the ultimate truth?
        1. Phil77 17 May 2020 11: 44 New
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          Quote: Krasnoyarsk

          And what, Bulgakov became - the ultimate truth?

          Everything is simpler. The writer was good. Yes, and the man is not stupid. Therefore, he is often quoted. That's somehow. Sincerely. hi
          1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 13: 35 New
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk

            And what, Bulgakov became - the ultimate truth?

            Everything is simpler. The writer was good. Yes, and the man is not stupid. Therefore, he is often quoted. That's somehow. Sincerely. hi

            A writer may be a good one, not sure.
            And about the stupid-smart, think for yourself. Can an intelligent person make Schwonder and his gop company the personification of the Bolsheviks? Could schwonders build a state? But the Bolsheviks built it! Think this is not harmful.
            1. Phil77 17 May 2020 14: 49 New
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              Not quite so. Bulvakov brought the Shvonder company not as the personification of the Bolsheviks, but rather as those who impede the construction of a new state! He brought them out like ballast, like stupid people. As people who, instead of studying, they took upon themselves the right to teach the lives of others ! Really you did not understand the irony of Bulgakov? Reread the story, it is not harmful, right!
              1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 16: 05 New
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                Not quite so. The company was brought out by Schvonder Bulgakov not as an embodiment of the Bolsheviks, but rather as those who impede the construction

                So where then are those who built the state? Not really a professor with a ball?
                You yourself said - Schwonder interfered - where in the story are those to whom the schwonders interfered?
                You say - the professor was disturbed. What did the professor build? - Nothing! He conducted an experiment. And the Bolsheviks built and built. But hunchbacked Eltsins came with comrades Olgovich and Shpakovsky and destroyed the Bolsheviks built.
                1. Phil77 17 May 2020 16: 33 New
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                  You say - the professor was disturbed. What did the professor build? - Nothing! He conducted an experiment

                  Are you serious? Yes, it seems that serious. Preobrazhensky, in addition to experimenting with medicine, was treating people! Despite their party affiliation. Criticized the Soviet regime? But is it not the case? And what did the likes of Schwonder give the people? Have you definitely read the story? Yes! In addition, the characters you mentioned do not appear in Bulgakov’s novel!
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                    Are you serious? Yes, it seems that is serious. Preobrazhensky, in addition to experiments, was engaged in medicine, treated people! Despite their

                    Did the schwonders stop Preobrazhensky from treating?
                    You categorically refuse to answer the question - to whom did Schwonder interfere with the company?
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                      Did the schwonders stop Preobrazhensky from treating?

                      Isn’t it? A seal? And public loud singing? And direct interference with privacy? Of course, you can treat it in a doghouse, but personally, would you like it? As a patient?
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You categorically refuse to answer the question - to whom did Schwonder interfere with the company?

                      Who interfered? Yes, they interfered with people, normal people!
                      1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 17: 40 New
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                        Who interfered? Yes, they interfered with people, normal people!

                        What are you flirting with? So tell me - the Bolsheviks-schwonders interfered with normal people who were being treated by Preobrazhensky for sexually transmitted diseases.
                      2. Phil77 17 May 2020 17: 47 New
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                        And what does coquetry have to do with it? Venereologists are needed under any authority. Or are party members not prone to diseases? Venereal?
                      3. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 21: 34 New
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                        And what does coquetry have to do with it? Venereologists are needed under any authority. Or are party members not prone to diseases? Venereal?

                        I do not argue, they must be treated. But ... Is this the genius of the author? Is the Bolsheviks stopping the doctor from treating syphilitics? Do you yourself agree with this? Sure - no. But then we return to my understanding of the story - Schwonder associates are the Bolsheviks. And then I have a question - who built the USSR then? Preobrazhensky? After all, schwonders are incapable of this.
            2. Phil77 17 May 2020 16: 43 New
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              But the hunchbacked Elzins came

              Where from? Where did they come from? Didn't the party put them forward?
              And what kind of party is this if it puts forward such * party members * for leadership work? Isn't that why the Soviet Union collapsed?
              1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 17: 26 New
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                Where did they come from?

                Do you have any idea? You are looking for an answer to the surface, as in a simpler way so as not to think. Because thinking is work. And you are lazy.
                But the simple answer, alas, is not. It is very complex and multifaceted.
                Keep arguing?
                1. Phil77 17 May 2020 17: 41 New
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                  Keep arguing?

                  To argue? Yes, you didn’t bring a single argument, just unsubstantiated allegations, what is the dispute? Remain in your opinion, it is certainly yours.
                  Just think for a while, under the old regime, would you have the opportunity to argue about anything in the wilds of the Internet, eh? Would you have such an opportunity? So, hypothetically?
                  1. Krasnoyarsk 17 May 2020 21: 42 New
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                    Just think for a while, under the old regime, would you have the opportunity to argue about anything in the wilds of the Internet, huh?

                    And don’t say what a horror! My grandfathers and grandmothers, under that power (under the kings) could not watch TV. What a horror !!!
                  2. Phil77 18 May 2020 06: 30 New
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                    What are you so difficult! I’m not talking about the Internet itself, but about the freedom to use it! About freedom of communication! Is that more clear?
      2. Olgovich 17 May 2020 15: 30 New
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        A writer may be a good one, not sure.
        And about the stupid-smart, think for yourself.

        You Carla Inoshvetsarskaya that bequeathed?
        So read more!
        Maybe that will come someday.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And about the stupid-smart, think for yourself. Can an intelligent person make Schwonder and his gop company the personification of the Bolsheviks?

        It was such schwonders and ball-they were.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Could schwonders build a state? But the Bolsheviks built it!

        Where is it?! belay request

        What's wrong with you?

        The Sharikovs DESTROYED in only 70 years what was created before them FOR AGES!

        Look out the window!
  • rich 17 May 2020 06: 56 New
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    A little off topic. Poking around in the APRF open archive, see what you find. Oh, a week earlier
  • Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    When that father told another everyday business related to the party worker ... True, probably, it was later ...
    A young driver lived and worked on a collective farm. Everything was fine with him: home, young wife, beloved work. He loved to travel. And recently, they have also begun to throw long-distance flights to him - then to the neighboring region, for spare parts, and even to the region! Others, like business trips, with an overnight stay in other cities.
    Only this village. There sewed in a bag you can’t hide. They explained to the guy that you were supposedly in the city, and the chairman was staying with your wife for the night!
    The driver decided to check ... I got the documents again, refueled, drove away from the village to the nearest landing and waited for darkness. Then came back.
    Exactly - there is a "gazik" chairman near his house! He blocked the exit, for mounting the guy and let's break in the door! While breaking through, the chairman outlined the window through the window and ran out of the kitchen gardens in his underpants.
    Rich trophies went to the guy - and the "gas", and clothes, and a party card in the suit pocket ...
    The driver collected all this, but straight to the city, to the regional committee (or to the city committee, I don’t know). He dumped everything on the tables, wrote a statement, returned the keys to the "bobby".
    There was a trial and the chairman was dismissed ... And transferred to the city with promotion!
    1. Free wind 17 May 2020 14: 11 New
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      In the district committee, collective farms were governed by the district committees, the city committees did not touch the collective farms. And the chairman, a ram, you should never use your car for such matters, especially UAZ cars in the area of ​​no more than a dozen at that time. and everyone knows who drives what, the car must be thrown into a field even in the bushes, but to come to a married mistress, this is not entirely smart. And the girl burned and burned himself. There was a case, I was returning to the garage, I see a man sneaking, in a dressing gown, socks and bags are unisex on his feet, frosts of about 15. He stopped, called him, well, who is not without sin, he drove almost home. Damn how to otmazyvatsya, well, just like in the Gaza Strip. In short, he removes this nightie, gives his watch and engagement ring, I break his face, specifically break, he was robbed after a week, he brought 5 bubbles to me in the garage. He refused to take the watch and ring. Anything can happen.
  • Doccor18 17 May 2020 06: 58 New
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    Another article about how they, the people of the country of the Soviets, was not ideal. Yes there were such. However, there were orders of magnitude more honest and working!
    1. kalibr 17 May 2020 07: 10 New
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      Yes there were such. However, there were orders of magnitude more honest and working!

      But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?
      1. Phil77 17 May 2020 07: 18 New
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        But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

        Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        But there is no answer to this question! There is a second:
        - Why didn’t this happen?
        1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 02 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

          Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
          But there is no answer to this question! There is a second:
          - Why didn’t this happen?

          The answer is simple - an active percentage of the population believed that under capitalism, with two higher educations, I would definitely become a millionaire, I would have a yacht, a mansion and Mastino Napoletano. Forgetting that on average about three percent of the population becomes a millionaire maximum (on average for countries).
          1. 3x3zsave 17 May 2020 08: 23 New
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            I’ll become a millionaire, I will have a yacht, a mansion and Mastino Napoletano.
            "I’ll buy a drum, a bulldog puppy, and then get married" (C) laughing
            1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 08: 26 New
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              - Are you getting married?
              - Well yes.
              - Tom, you are out of your mind! (WITH)
              1. 3x3zsave 17 May 2020 08: 40 New
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                "Getting married, getting married! What kind of toys can be?" (C)
                1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 09: 01 New
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                  But you, but you, my girlfriends of yesterday ... (C) laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave 17 May 2020 09: 13 New
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                    "No woman, no cry" (C) laughing
                    1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 09: 17 New
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                      It will rain
                      The soldier will return
                      You just wait! soldier
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                        "Cap-cap-cap, from the clear eyes of Marousi,
                        Tears fall on the spear "(C)
                      2. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 09: 29 New
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                        Ulyana Andreevna, I reigned! But you have not changed. I was seduced by the queen, but I did not give in! I swear! (WITH)
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                        “You’re a wolf,” Lokhankin continued in the same miserable tone. “I despise you. You’re leaving me for a lover. You’re leaving me for Ptiburdukov. go away! You want to indulge in lust with him. The she-wolf is old and vile besides. " (WITH)
                      4. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 09: 50 New
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                        Gavrila was a good husband
                        Gavrila loved his wives (C)
                      5. 3x3zsave 17 May 2020 09: 58 New