Archive of the CPSU OK 1963: party affairs, affairs of ordinary people

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Archive of the CPSU OK 1963: party affairs, affairs of ordinary people

A shot from the movie "Communist" (1957). I would like to see every builder of a new society like this. But really, most of them were completely different. And they didn’t strain, and they didn’t carry around their pocket, and they loved to drink (and not only drink). In a word, they were the most ordinary people, and not at all knights without fear and reproach

“Soviet Russia, formed on the ruins of the Russian Empire, began to build a completely new kind of state. And for such a grand transformation, the country needed competent, ideological, convinced people. And where could they be taken? From which country could experts be invited? The answer is obvious - there is no such country and there are no such specialists. That is, the country, its leadership had to work with the "material" that was. And what was the essence of this “material”, it can be seen from the newspaper articles that you helpfully provided. ”
demo (van)


History and documents. Interest in documents of our past on “VO” is permanent, although sometimes it seems that materials on this topic are read by their commentators through glasses with curved glasses. They read anything in them, and see the bad, even where it had never happened. But the most interesting is the arguments of some of them. Say, we were not lucky with the people who had to become the builder of socialism. Although the people, after all, our revolutionaries especially did not ask. They drove everyone together and then for some reason they were surprised that the different beech-books there “made their way and fall apart.” Imagine that someone from their corns was right and well fed, and someone from their bedsores is poor and hungry? And then the order - "dispossess%". And How? The most that is called "that" to settle scores. After all, most of all people do not like what? The same thing: the intellectual superiority of another person. They can put up with physical strength: “God gave!”, With beauty. But in the sense of intelligence ... well, no, like this: I am mediocrity, but he is a smart guy? “He put on his glasses, and even with a hat!” “But Mikola, take a look, the vow gave vodka not to drink and look at it - it plows!” No, with the people at the same time ... Oooo, warrior! ”



And then you can’t do anything. Such human “material” went to the builders of socialism, and they could not redo it. Failed? Yes, and this is best said by personal files stored in the funds of party archives and, in particular, in the funds of the Penza OFOPO GAPO. In one of the previous materials, we examined the personal affairs of the communists of 1938. But 25 years have passed, and ... before us is a new bundle of affairs. True, this time the names of the defendants will be changed, since 70 years have not passed since that time. But here, as always, there is a link to the source and the pages of the case will even be indicated: “Minutes of meetings of the CPSU OK from January 14 to March 18, 1963. Fund 5893. Op. 1. Unit hr 1". Cases will be shown a little, but they are all very revealing ...


The difficulty with local, and not only local, archives is that their materials are not digitized. They are kept in the old fashioned way and the file cabinet on them is still the same ... pre-revolutionary. Therefore, a huge number of people who own computers cannot use this information. And there is neither money, nor equipment to transfer all this mass of papers into a "number"!

Well, we start with ... biology. Yes, yes, with her, to show that no heroism, education, dedication and other positive qualities of the “builder of communism” were stronger than what? The call of nature!

So, we read.

* * *

#8. Listened to:
Case Sh ... on Kh. Kh., Born in 1924, member of the CPSU since December 1944, party ticket No. 03765114. Russian, employee, higher education.

In the Soviet Army he served from 1942 to 1948 as a cadet, commander tank, deputy battery commander ... From 1950 to 1962 he worked in the police department. Awarded with medals ...

During the period of bringing to party responsibility, he worked as the deputy director for cultural and educational work of the construction school No. 1 of the city of Penza, and is currently being detained by court decision.

Excluded from the ranks of the CPSU for moral degradation, expressed in the occupation of sodomy. On April 25, 1963, a regional court sentenced him to 3 years and 6 months in prison. The decision of the lower party organization OK CPSU approved.

* * *

But the indicated comrade probably knew about the article for “non-traditional orientation” and for the fact that he would be immediately chased out of the party if he got caught. He knew, he could not but know. But the "call of nature" was stronger. Such are the people, and there were many of them whether we like it or not (p. Of the indicated document 187.12).

Read on. There is also a "call", but a slightly different plan. Loud call ... mamons!

* * *

# 7 They listened: the case of Mo ... howl MM, born in 1912, member of the CPSU since 1952, party ticket No. 02456400. Russian, office worker, incomplete secondary education. During the period of bringing to party responsibility, she worked as a senior accountant in the association of preschool institutions of the Penza branch of the Kuibyshev Railway. Currently in custody.

The essence of the matter: May ... in complicity with the manager of the nursery No. 18, the accountant ... and the manager of the nursery ... systematically since 1962, they have been engaged in theft of material values ​​belonging to the nursery.

On April 12, 1962, 20 meters of jacquard material was obtained for the nursery, which the abovementioned persons appropriated and divided. Also stole carpets, flannel, tablecloths, bedspreads: 5 tablecloths, 50 meters flannel, 5 meters tapestry. The kitchen equipment worth 84 rubles was stolen, and the person involved took 15 plates, a meat grinder, a pot and spices for spice.

In total, 547 rubles were appropriated, and 100 r.

* * *

First, the thief was severely reprimanded with entering into the account card. But since she was prosecuted and imprisoned, she was expelled from the party (p. 4.10).

Let’s see one more “thieves’s case”, in which E ... s E.E., born in 1927, was a Russian, a worker, a lower education, who worked at the Kuznetsk shoe factory. March 13, 1963 the bureau of the Kuznetsk KR CPSU expelled him from the ranks of the CPSU for the theft of 17 sheets of steel from the factory. He worked as an forwarder and ... abused the position in self-serving whole. In life, he behaved inappropriately, abused alcohol, was repeatedly discussed by a team of workers and at a party bureau, but he didn’t draw any conclusions and continued to slide downhill! The driver Ka ... in offered him iron, he gave him 50 rubles, and he took him home to E ... ov, where the police found him. For all this, he was unanimously expelled from the ranks of the CPSU, and the regional committee approved this decision (p. Of this document 6.7).

So, it is obvious that they stole something, and, of course, with the volumes of the fact that today the same FSB officers are stealing from us, it is not comparable. But the principle is important. A drop wears away a stone - it has been said for a long time and very accurately. First we take to the party ... a worker without education, then it turns out that he is stealing and getting drunk. A woman steals from children! What morality do you need to have in order to do this? But she went for the sake of several pots. What is this talking about? About the extreme poverty of our then “homo sovieticus”, in the eyes of which even a couple of pots and a free meat grinder - “and even bread!” And there were many. And someone came across, and someone did not, while others got off with a reprimand and went to steal "the little things." Humanly, this is all understandable, but it is impossible to imagine that people with such morality would raise worthy children who would then not glance at what lies badly. And such morality was expressed in a very revealing phrase: no matter how much you steal from the state, you cannot return the stolen from you!

However, the most interesting personal matter we have to read now.

The essence of the matter is as follows: EU A.U., party ticket No. 1258966 (canceled), Russian, peasant, secondary education, studied at the Higher Communist Agricultural School, but was arrested on July 22, 1933 by the Special Conference under the OGPU collegium and convicted under articles 58-2 and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, sentenced to be shot - with the replacement of imprisonment in the camp for 10 years. The indictment referred to the fact that he "is hostile to the CPSU (b) and the state system existing in the USSR, and in 1933 joined the counter-revolutionary organization" People’s Communist Party ", which aimed to overthrow the Soviet regime and establish a petty-bourgeois republic .

After serving a sentence in the Sevpechlager of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he was released on October 8, 1945, and in 1947 he arrived in Penza, where he began to work as a mechanic in a mechanical laundry. February 4, 1950 was again arrested as a previous convict. By a special meeting at the Ministry of State Security of the USSR he was sent to a settlement in the Kustanai region of Kazakhstan for membership in an anti-Soviet organization without determining the period where he stayed until 1954.

Both he and other Soviet citizens convicted in this case after 1953 began to make requests for rehabilitation as incorrectly convicted. An investigation was carried out, which established that “None of the above counterrevolutionary organizations existed and the case in this part was falsified by former OGPU workers from the Middle-Volga region.”

As a result, the case of November 4, 1933 was canceled by the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the RSFSR on July 26, 1961, and the case of July 1, 1950 was canceled by a decision of March 7, 1963.

That is, as you see, they dealt with the “affairs” for a long time, thoroughly, and for each of the cases separately, and not so that “in bulk”, as some now believe. Thus, E ... s was completely rehabilitated.

And here comes an interesting paragraph:

"However, E ... s, being a member of the CPSU and a student of the Higher Communist Agricultural School, allowed instability and hesitation in understanding the correctness of the line of our party, repeatedly expressed all kinds of anti-Soviet fabrications, was indifferent to his party affiliation and compliance with the statutory requirements."

Question: how did all this become known? In fact, there are no indications!

In the same 1933, he handed over to a friend a blank form of an account card and helped illegally get a party ticket, and the RK VKP (b) issuing it did not check the form of the card. He then stole several more forms and handed them to his friends.

"Thus, using his official position, he made it possible for people to enter the party without being accepted by their party organization."

He was a member of the E ... s party for 5 years, 30 outside the party, is characterized positively by his work.

And what would you think? The person was denied the restoration to the party after all these ordeals, which, in fact, had broken his life, since he "showed instability and hesitation in understanding the correctness of the CPSU line ... committed the theft and forgery of party documents." Therefore, his request was rejected as unfounded (p. Of the said document 177-180: 2,3,4,5).

Yes, but then he spent 10 years in the camp! Not at a resort in Gagra, but worked at a camp, and then still lived at a settlement in Kazakhstan, where there is also “not a fountain”. And the party of 1933 and 1963 - these were two big differences, so how many people then hesitated ... Should there be moral compensation, not to mention material compensation? Well, it’s clear that there wasn’t even any material speech at that time. But moral? No - they didn’t give a person even that! And are there still people who say that we had a society of "social justice"? But it is known that “injustice, illuminated by the name of the law, dishonors this law itself!”

And now the most "amusing". Gave read these materials to one student of Moscow University named after Yu. S. Witte. She read and says: “Is he crazy? Climb into the party after what this power did to him! .. "-" Well, he really wanted to ... "-" Some kind of nonsense! Everything that happened is absolutely unreal, like a bad dream. A society of some kind of crazy! ”

Such a judgment. But the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such crazy society to never get involved again ...
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  1. +37
    17 May 2020 05: 21
    This once again shows that human characters are very different. And these are facts on the one hand, and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who completed both military and labor feats.
    1. +17
      17 May 2020 05: 23
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      A. Meresyev

      Maresyev he was ... hi
      1. +8
        17 May 2020 05: 28
        In life, yes, but - “Meresyev” - was also entrenched thanks to the film shot according to the novel in 1948 (director Alexander Stolper, in the title role Pavel Kadochnikov).

        Source: https://vnnews.ru/social/62278-tajna-bukvy-ev-familii-geroya-syn-ljotchika-alekseya-mareseva-raskryl-ejo-vashim-novostyam.html
        1. +27
          17 May 2020 10: 22
          Give it to Shpakovsky order Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called! Like Solzhenitsyn and Gorbachev. And it won't calm down! Yes, and deserved - about how it was in the "hated scoop" - sketches well.
          1. +17
            17 May 2020 10: 59
            I agree - a rotten little article.
            From the first lines I started to smear everyone with shit:
            I would like to see every builder of a new society like this. But really most of them were completely different

            Was it such a "majority" that built the USSR?

            And he finished the article, as he spat:
            But the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such crazy society to never get involved again ...


            And this is on the days when the 75th anniversary of the Victory, which was won by this "delusional" society over the "civilized" Western society, is celebrated.

            Something must be done about this, otherwise the 80s more and more reminds of Gorbachev's "glasnost" - there, too, such streams of shit began to pour on Soviet history, which in the end poisoned society. And when the poisoned society became incapable of resistance, then the country was destroyed.
            1. +13
              17 May 2020 14: 41
              Hlavaty (Vladimir Glavaty)
              I agree - a rotten little article.
              Have you seen others at Shpakovsky about the USSR?
              What a person is, such an article.
          2. +22
            17 May 2020 12: 39
            After reading the article, I realized that the author wants socialism to never come to Russia. Calm down, it won't come. One could not give a damn and forget about Shpakovsky. Yes, only his arguments are rather weak. First of all, it's an old song about a fist with bloody calluses. Parrot-like nonsense repeated by all our propagandists, from the president to a simple journalist. The kulak in our village was in 99% of cases a world-eating usurer who hired farm laborers, and, moreover, a speculator. It was not the GPU that represented the kulaks for eviction, but the community, and there people were already figuring it out. Then comes the groan of the pederast, who was given a term in 1963. Yes, the author would know that pederasty was prohibited in all "civilized" Western countries at that time. This is also past the checkout. Then he gives examples of petty theft. Well, I don't even want to answer this at all, lies and hypocrisy, - I want to ask the author if he wants to try on his complaints for today's times. In short, Shpakovsky was not lucky with the people. So the road is a tablecloth.
            1. -22
              17 May 2020 14: 19
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              In short, Shpakovsky was unlucky with the people.

              Just the opposite, Michael. Was it really so hard to think and figure it out? Then know: in the land of the blind and crooked - the king!
              1. +7
                17 May 2020 14: 46
                kalibr (Vyacheslav)
                Then know: in the land of the blind and crooked - the king!
                Well yes all around fool fool fool , one shpakovsky d'Artagnan ... laughing
                Too high a deep opinion of yourself about yourself is deeply not respected, you need to be more modest and then MAYBE people will be drawn to you.
                1. -13
                  17 May 2020 15: 12
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  people will reach for you

                  So they stretch. Have you not noticed? But not all. But this is good. It would be scary if everyone dragged on. Think about it and you will agree!
                  1. +2
                    17 May 2020 15: 35
                    Who is reaching for you? People with the psychology of flies? Those who want to scrape manure? So it is in any society. And it was under socialism. Only much less than now.
                    1. -7
                      17 May 2020 16: 23
                      Quote: 210ox
                      Who is reaching for you? People with fly psychology? Wanting to scoop up manure?
                      Your insults to the author and his readers indicate that the page with the article by V. Shpakovsky is also visited with the psychology of cattle, who want to pile manure, which others will pick up after you.
                      1. +2
                        19 May 2020 09: 28
                        In fact, people come in and see the title of the article. Author in signature. Only regular visitors know its priority. However, I think that poking around in the archives and looking for dirt to pour on the people of their own country has passed. Enough of these repetitions of Solzhenitsyn. I want to be proud of my country and the ancestors who left it to me. It's time to stop this dusting with ashes.
                        If Shpak .. I would ask the student a question, you were for condemning the pederasts in the USSR and not promoting an immoral lifestyle. What would be the answer?
                        And he deliberately asked a question to condemn ..
                      2. 0
                        19 May 2020 19: 51
                        Quote: nikon7717
                        you are for the fact that in the USSR they condemned the pederasts and did not propagate an immoral lifestyle. What would be the answer?
                        Only from the 30s did Stalin deal with them, and citizens should know what happened after the revolution before the raid in Leningrad in 33, the emnip, for which the Gomez still hates him. And do not confuse the history of your country with a known substance, even if it does not at all times and in everything gives reason for pride. If a person will only be proud of himself and will not be ashamed of anything, he will certainly happen a complex of greatness, and even worse. So the motherland.
            2. -9
              18 May 2020 07: 43
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              Next is a moan on a pederast,
              Well, here's another, for homosexuality to plant this is the height of savagery. Homosexuals, atky women, like people like you and I. Evil komunyaki found on whom to come off ((
          3. +16
            17 May 2020 14: 15
            Shpakovsky sends us to the year of my birth. Of course, I don't remember what happened then, my memory begins that way in 1968-69 .. Of course, for us childhood, adolescence are the most beautiful years, and they passed in the Best Country on Earth. People were different, but there was no such horde of "rats" in the government and society as it is now. The author is not just a liar, he is trying to prove that it was bad then - the authorities lived by their own laws. I tell my sons what happened and what is. And they do not want to live in this shit, they want changes in the musty society of profit and capital The attempts of the author are worthless.
            1. +1
              17 May 2020 17: 28
              Greetings, dear namesake! hi I know the time you mentioned from the stories of relatives, photographs and books. I want to add the following. If according to the census in the Russian Empire, in 1898 the average life expectancy was ~~ 30 years, then in 1961 --- 62 years 68,75 years! That says it all.
            2. -2
              18 May 2020 11: 31
              Quote: 210ox
              I tell my sons what happened and what is. And they don’t want to live in this shit, they want changes in the musty society of profit and capital

              If life goes on, then there are more good people than bad. It was then, under the USSR, it still exists today with "profit and capital". Have you taught children to hate the country they live in? Then you fully deserve to drag out a miserable existence on a beggarly pension. After all, it is our children who earn the "capital" that you lack. They will leave, who will feed you? "Change in a musty society" can mean the desire to move in a legal manner, or perhaps in the form of a "Maidan." Judging by how you live (not me, although obviously we are in the same country) in shit, I can imagine what you are telling your children and what changes they want.
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 17: 27
                But I do not need to misinterpret my words. I do not teach children to hate our country. But to hate those who ruined the Great State and continues to rob Russia and its kind is what I wrote about.
                1. +1
                  18 May 2020 17: 39
                  Quote: 210ox
                  But I do not need to misinterpret my words.

                  As you wrote, I understand. You told them, but they didn’t want to live in shit. How else can you understand what was said? request
            3. -1
              18 May 2020 17: 19
              Hordes of rats sprang up instantly as power loosened the grip on the neck of every member of society. No need to idealize the past. It is not always heroic and valiant. It is often not beautiful and uncomfortable. No need to idealize people. The 17th year led to a grandiose rift in society. Since then, their own against their own, even on the side of strangers.
          4. 0
            17 May 2020 22: 14
            Quote: Stas157
            Give Shpakovsky the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called! Like Solzhenitsyn and Gorbachev.

            But what really hurts your eyes? Vera staggered. So these are facts.
          5. +5
            18 May 2020 10: 02
            Quote: Stas157
            about how it was in the "hated scoop" - sketches notably.

            Where do you disagree? What was not like that? Or have we forgotten how the "deficit" was taken out "from under the counter" for a certain overpayment? But this is each such fact - a separate property crime, widespread throughout the USSR. Say - was not? And the point is not in a "sketch", but in the fact that it is not necessary to idealize yesterday in reproach to the present day. We are not all rascals today, and yesterday we were not all angels. Did we not know that the membership card opened up the prospect of career growth? It's funny .... And at the same time, it is impossible to refute the social orientation of those changes, which was carried out by the VKPb / KPSS. That is why the collective West does not like us. Indeed, in 1918-20, in their countries, there were mass unrest under the leadership of trade unions with the slogans "Russia managed to do it" (meaning the revolution). It is another matter that when examining the party archives, one must see what cases characterized the general mood of the party masses. And he was not criminal at all. He was creative and progressive. And the leadership was to match this mood. (Until some time) The fact that the party leadership over time "became bronzed" and began to smell like rotten does not cancel the bright thoughts of the main mass of the communists.
            1. 0
              18 May 2020 15: 31
              Quote: Hagen
              Where do you disagree? What was not like that? Or have we forgotten how the "deficit" was taken out "from under the counter" for a certain overpayment?

              I have never, I repeat, have never begged from under the counter. He refused a ticket to the Crimea, he handed out coupons from right to left ... Am I blessed?
              1. +1
                18 May 2020 15: 57
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I have never, I repeat, have never begged from under the counter.

                If you collect all those who, according to their words with Lenin, carried a log, then the area would not be enough. Do not understand that I want to convict you of something ... You will not begin to claim that such a phenomenon was absent in the USSR. Remember Vysotsky, Raikin, the jokes of those years - they were born from scratch and survived many politicians.
                1. -2
                  18 May 2020 21: 40
                  Quote: Hagen
                  If you collect all those who, according to their words with Lenin, carried a log, then the area would not be enough.

                  I don't give a damn about them. I am responsible for myself.
              2. 0
                18 May 2020 20: 25
                Notice, you said that. wink
              3. 0
                7 June 2020 18: 08
                If you write the truth obviously
    2. +3
      17 May 2020 06: 37
      That's right, Vladimir. There were many people and very different. And those who robbed children, even during the war, and those who died of hunger, but did not take, and there were heroes with orders, who ... were tried for "unhealthy excesses." Everything was! Therefore, one cannot imagine the society of the past as a single monolith. Moreover, it was the bearer of different consciousness. The same war hero could be the owner of a patriarchal, obsolete consciousness, and a young thief - the most progressive, urban, although he used it to the detriment of others. The% of consciousness of certain social groups and, accordingly, the strength of their influence on society are important. And this percentage, judging by the events of 1991, is not in favor of the "heroes" and highly conscious people.
      1. +20
        17 May 2020 09: 23
        Quote: kalibr
        judging by the events of 1991

        Vyacheslav hi By the year 91, the consciousness of Soviet people was so formatted by the media and the economy that they agreed to any CIS, just to get out of the leadership of the HMS, which was tired of chemical burping with their deeds and slogans. So they threw themselves into the arms of another, EBN, which was not much different from HMS - they grew from the same root.
        1. +7
          17 May 2020 09: 35
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Vyacheslav By the year 91, the consciousness of Soviet people was so formatted by the media and the economy that they agreed to any CIS,

          And what do you explain all this to the former communist ideologist? He pushes his foreheads here according to the principle - more comments, more views, and money is dripping in his pocket.
          1. +12
            17 May 2020 09: 40
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            dripping.

            Namesake hi It’s dripping into the bill - I don’t know ... And I explain not only to him, let others look.
            1. +6
              17 May 2020 09: 42
              Quote from Uncle Lee
              .A I explain not only to him, let others look.

              It is truth too.
          2. +2
            17 May 2020 17: 36
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Vyacheslav By the year 91, the consciousness of Soviet people was so formatted by the media and the economy that they agreed to any CIS,

            And what do you explain all this to the former communist ideologist? He pushes his foreheads here on the principle - more comments, ..........
            I welcome you Vladimir! hi Now often many of those media reports are exposed as lies.
            1. +2
              17 May 2020 19: 46
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Now often many of those media reports are exposed as lies.

              Not that it’s a lie, but they didn’t speak well either. I remember an article from the "Komsomolskaya Pravda" during perestroika:
              - Look, has our cigarette gone out?
              - Well yes...
              - And the American is still smoldering ...
              And such a guano has been dumped on us since about the 86th year.
              1. +2
                17 May 2020 20: 07
                I had in mind lies about Leningrad leaders, and others as well. I can’t clarify now, I’m not at home, I don’t remember about cigarettes, but how all the adults were happy about some kind of foreign oil in plastic bottles ..... and now they say it’s better to spit on it ...
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Now often many of those media reports are exposed as lies.

                Not that it’s a lie, but they didn’t speak well either. I remember an article from the "Komsomolskaya Pravda" during perestroika:
                - Look, has our cigarette gone out?
                - Well yes...
                - And the American is still smoldering ...
                And such a guano has been dumped on us since about the 86th year.
                1. 0
                  18 May 2020 00: 50
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  and how all adults were happy about some foreign oil in plastic bottles ..

                  And our oil was worth sixty rupees per liter. It is sunflower. Creamy - 3,80 per kilogram, if I do not confuse anything. Who writes that there was no oil, so it breaks like a gray gelding. I’m in the 80s every other day pies: A glass of flour, three eggs, two glasses of sour cream ....
                  1. +1
                    18 May 2020 02: 21
                    I didn’t know the prices, but I read that under the USSR there was a state subsidy for cream. And when the USSR died, the subsidy ceased. Perhaps then the oil began to disappear? And I remember, margarine in boxes became imported and were also happy and smeared on sandwiches. And some kind of butter appeared - a cube of 500g with a fishy smell. I don’t want to remember.
                    1. -2
                      18 May 2020 02: 29
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      I didn’t know the prices, but I read that under the USSR there was a state subsidy for cream.

                      The fact is that at one time I adjusted the cakes of the oven. This is in the 80s ... Now, I had nothing to do ... Napoleon, horseradish ...
                    2. -1
                      18 May 2020 02: 36
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      there was a state subsidy for cream.

                      I've never heard of such a thing. In the 86th year, we lost glasses for ice cream, and sold ice cream by weight .. And butter .. Constantly bought, cut off from Kusman.
                      1. -2
                        18 May 2020 02: 54
                        Vladimir, because oil was natural and inexpensive, since it is for health, against tuberculosis ..... the state monitored health.
                        And it began to disappear as the USSR collapsed
                      2. 0
                        18 May 2020 03: 05
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Vladimir, because oil was natural and inexpensive

                        Dim, like we lost waffle cups for ice cream, and began to sell by weight. We bought 2 kilos of Plombir, sat on the balcony, where a pound remained, but did not climb crying They took it, and threw it away ...
                    3. -1
                      18 May 2020 02: 46
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Perhaps then the oil began to disappear?

                      Back in the mid-80s, butter was cut from a huge piece. Such a cobblestone was about 20 kilos, and oil was cut from it. It was so with us.
                  2. +2
                    18 May 2020 10: 35
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Creamy - 3,80 per kilogram, if I do not confuse anything. Who writes that there was no oil, so it breaks like a gray gelding.

                    EMNIP, the oil was of two types: 3,50 p. / Kg and 3,60 p / kg.
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Who writes that there was no oil, so it breaks like a gray gelding.

                    And here not so simple. Oil there was only butter for 3,60. And the oil for 3,50 (which most often lay in the store) was psychological oil: It looked like butter, but when trying to cut it, it began to water and crumble, breaking up into "chips". It was impossible to make the same cream with it. sad
                    1. 0
                      18 May 2020 15: 26
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      It was impossible to make the same cream with it.

                      Protein, yes sugar, that's the cream. wink
                    2. Fat
                      0
                      19 May 2020 00: 56
                      Norm Cream in accordance with GOST 70% is not naturally margarine, but not sun ....
                  3. 0
                    18 May 2020 20: 28
                    Butter in the Kurgan region has been on coupons since 1978. Perhaps you baked on margarine - it was sold without coupons.
                  4. Fat
                    0
                    19 May 2020 00: 47
                    Kapets sour cream then why .... For show-off ???? There was nowhere to go, what did they give out in ORS? You donuts haven’t happened
                2. +1
                  18 May 2020 01: 24
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  and how all adults rejoiced in some kind of foreign oil in plastic bottles.

                  In the 90s, a guy dragged a can of American oil in a 10 liter barrel. So the mother spat on him, pancakes were not fried on him.
                  1. 0
                    18 May 2020 02: 26
                    Just then there was a Chinese stew, it’s not clear from what they tried, threw out the cans
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    and how all adults rejoiced in some kind of foreign oil in plastic bottles.

                    In the 90s, a guy dragged a can of American oil in a 10 liter barrel. So the mother spat on him, pancakes were not fried on him.
                    1. 0
                      18 May 2020 02: 56
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Just then there was a Chinese stew, it’s not clear from what they tried, threw out the cans

                      And we drank Chinese vodka. "Wheat". With a waterfall on the label. The muck is singular. This is the 94th year.
                      1. 0
                        18 May 2020 20: 32
                        You idler. And to establish co-brewing? Just kidding laughing
                      2. 0
                        18 May 2020 21: 38
                        Quote: Oleg Zorin
                        And to establish co-brewing?

                        A lot of vodka does not happen. We also drove the moonshine, we drive, and we will drive. feel
                  2. 0
                    7 June 2020 18: 12
                    Do they have other sunflowers or something?
            2. +1
              18 May 2020 00: 56
              Quote: Reptiloid
              media reports exposed as lies

              Dmitriy hi I remember Korotich’s articles in Ogonyok and speeches of deputies, in central newspapers and live broadcasts from congresses ... Whoever exposes the whip is the idol!
              1. +1
                18 May 2020 01: 30
                Quote from Uncle Lee
                He who denounces whip is the idol!

                Well, no. Only Umalatova had steel eggs. And the rest? Sakharov muttered something ..
      2. +3
        17 May 2020 09: 45
        People are different in any system. But I didn’t observe poverty under the USSR, but didn’t live richly, but whoever didn’t drink everything had it. And now I’m observing poverty, many ate making ends meet, taking loans to pay the previous ones, driving themselves into big debts, for the communal apartment, the smallest debt of 18, the largest for 000, hangs at the entire entrance. that many now live on credit, but then they lived on their own.
        But the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such crazy society to never get involved again ...

        Is it possible to call a delusional society, the society from which we all came out, which created everything that modern society is now using? In 30 years, at least one new hydroelectric power station was built or a nuclear power plant?
        Is a delusional society capable of being the second economy in the world and the first in space?
        1. +12
          17 May 2020 15: 17
          In 30 years, at least one new hydroelectric power station was built or a nuclear power plant?

          Indeed, let's clarify:
          1. Novovoronezh NPP-2
          Year of commencement of construction: 2008.
          Commissioning: 2016
          2 .. Leningrad NPP-2
          Year of commencement of construction: 2007.
          Commissioning: 2018
          3. Floating NPP "Akademik Lomonosov"
          Year of commencement of construction: 2007.
          Commissioning: 2019.
          3. Kursk NPP-2
          Year of commencement of construction: 2018.
          Commissioning: 2023 (planned).
          +
          2. Rostov NPP
          Year of construction start: 1979, in 1992 construction was suspended, in 2000 resumed.
          Commissioning: 2001 (1st power unit, 2nd in 2010, 3rd in 2014)

          Total:
          2 NPPs and 1 PAES were built from scratch, 1 completed.
          In Russia, 12 nuclear power plants are operating, 1 floating nuclear power plant, and 1 nuclear power plant is under construction.
          Those. even if the AES is not counted, 1/4 of the nuclear power industry was created in those "30 years".
          Also, 38 reactors are currently operating in the country, of which 11 were built and connected in the post-Soviet period, 3 more are being built.
        2. -1
          17 May 2020 16: 12
          Quote: Svarog
          and the first in space?

          And the first in the number of abortions!
        3. +3
          17 May 2020 17: 49
          ...Yes, we didn’t live well.......
          If we are talking about 1963, I suppose that they didn’t live richly in Europe, and even in the USA. (where blacks still lynched at that time, and even the toilets were black and white separately, not to mention schools and drrr) ...... after the war, restoration took place very hard everywhere.
          1. 0
            18 May 2020 07: 57
            that in Europe they didn’t live richly and
            I look b / w French, Japanese and English films, indeed, it is very poor, if we take ordinary citizens and not millionaires or beggars.
        4. +2
          18 May 2020 20: 37
          Comrade Svarog, you write more carefully. And then I read up to your phrase "... ate the ends .." And fell into a stupor! laughing
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        1. +1
          18 May 2020 00: 22
          Has the longtime catnip come back? Of the banned? There was a bastard.
    3. 0
      17 May 2020 07: 15
      During the period of bringing to party responsibility, he worked as deputy director for cultural and educational work of the construction school No. 1 of the city of Penza, and is currently in custody by a court decision.


      so, and from which layers did pida_rast turn out? Maybe this is a peasant from a plow, or a hard worker from a machine tool, that is, this is not the peasantry and not the proletariat, but let’s say so, but an intellectual, and, as they say, rotten intelligentsia. We should also look at the national roots of this phenomenon, what kind of tribe, who brought it up in this format? Out of the blue, such a phenomenon could not develop. Just like now, someone ORGANIZES parades of pid_rasov. And who is it?
      1. +11
        17 May 2020 12: 10
        Quote: Bar1
        so, and from which layers did pida_rast turn out? Maybe this is a peasant from a plow, or a hard worker from a machine tool, that is, this is not the peasantry and not the proletariat, but let’s say so, but an intellectual

        Quote: Bar1
        Out of the blue, such a phenomenon could not develop.

        I do not know...
        In Novgorod, the one that is on Volkhov, in the first half of the XII century. a certain Shilzo lived for himself, and everything would have been fine, but he loved, poor fellow, sometimes in the mood to copulate with either a pig or a horse. And good would be with his own, otherwise he used strangers. Disgraced, so to speak, all of Lyudin’s end in Novgorod, a scoundrel. If there were a CPSU, they would have been expelled for sure. And so just the headman complained, say, calm down. And here I am wondering - and who was this Shilzo by nationality and social status in Novgorod in 1120 - 1140, approximately, years? Jewish Jew? And what gay parades had he seen enough?
        http://gramoty.ru/birchbark/document/show/novgorod/954/
        1. -2
          17 May 2020 14: 58
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Jewish Jew?

          The probability is great ...
          1. +4
            17 May 2020 15: 43
            Quote: Slavs
            The probability is great ...

            Indeed? laughing
            It is interesting to hear the arguments of such ... controversial thesis. Is there direct evidence of his nationality and occupation? Maybe indirect - information about the presence at the beginning of the XII century. in the People’s end of Novgorod of the Jewish diaspora, for example, or about the special love of Jews or intellectuals for animals? Or anything else that never occurred to me?
            Spread out, do not be shy about your learning. smile
            And if your statement is unfounded, then ... then you yourself must understand the difference between the people you mentioned below on the branch and you.
            Quote: Slavs
            Shpakovsky Trilobit, Olgovich, 3x3, maybe he missed someone

            By the way, I didn’t expect to be in the same row with Olgovich - we have in common, so far as I can judge, only that we both speak and write Russian. smile
        2. -4
          17 May 2020 16: 11
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          http://gramoty.ru/birchbark/document/show/novgorod/954/


          yes these letters are fakes from Ioannina, Novgorod was in the wrong place, they said already ...
          1. +7
            17 May 2020 17: 04
            Quote: Bar1
            These letters are fakes from Ioannina

            Yes, there he has a whole production of these diplomas. laughing
            Such angry Jews in black hats sit, peel off Russian birches, write all kinds of nonsense on birch bark in pure Old Russian, and Yanin then tosses all this into the excavations ... laughing
            But tell me, there, in the excavations, do you think there is nothing at all? Initially empty pits, but bridge pits (logs of five thousand years or more), all sorts of shards, scallops, other finds there, like, Yanin throws it up? Only in order to annoy Fomenko with his incoherent nonsense about the absence of Novgorod in the place of Novgorod?
            What are they actually finding, if they are? Surely, the true finds with ancient maps, where Tartaria is painted and the handwritten signature of Andrew-Jesus Christ of Bogolyubsky, the authenticity of these maps testifies that Yanin destroyed or sent directly to the Vatican - the Masters of the West.
            Something interested me here: tell me, and what is the grass in your yard? But didn’t they notice that the walls in the house suddenly went in waves? Or maybe you are being watched? 5G towers by chance, not your job?
            1. -4
              17 May 2020 17: 58
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              Yes, there he has a whole production of these diplomas.
              Such evil Jews in black hats sit, peel off Russian birches, write all kinds of nonsense on birch bark in pure Old Russian, and Yanin then tosses all this into the excavations.


              damn I forgot, of course not only Yanin, how can you forget the ever-memorable Zaliznyak with his rigorous scientific work "Professional and Amateur Linguistics" for the curious. Well, their boss Artsikhovsky is of course the basis of everything.
              It is clear that out of a thousand letters, not all of our times, there are probably real ones, but now how to figure it out?
              But here’s their dating system, when half of the logs rotted, and the remaining half was multiplied by two and lowered the date to the 10th century, to put it mildly not strictly scientific, but it fits into the OI, therefore it was included in the annals with conclusions. that it’s not like science.
              1. +7
                17 May 2020 18: 24
                Quote: Bar1
                But here is their dating system

                Almost flawless. The dendrochronological scale has been built, the archaeological layers are dated with an accuracy of 20 years, and, most importantly, the finds very qualitatively "beat" the dating with the available chronicles and data of historical linguistics. There is a very harmonious and cross-checked system of evidence, which is why your brothers have no choice but to deny everything indiscriminately - from beginning to end, in bulk.
                By the way, the work of Zaliznyak, which you mentioned, is not strictly scientific, namely, popular science and precisely for amateurs. His strictly scientific works are of a completely different level.
                However, to whom am I explaining this? request
                In general, you are not required to understand anything. So continue to delight us with your opus.
                1. -5
                  17 May 2020 18: 36
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  how to deny everything indiscriminately


                  not indiscriminately, Fomenko and Nosovsky subjected this swampy dendrochronology to justified criticism and the very opposite conclusions.
                  Would you like to talk about this topic? Write an article about Novgorod letters and chronology, let's talk in detail.
                  1. +4
                    17 May 2020 19: 15
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Would you like to talk about this topic?

                    With you - the least.
                    As for my articles, you can rejoice - with a high degree of probability they will no longer be here, my cooperation with the site as an author has ceased.
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Fomenko and Nosovsky subjected this swamp dendrochronology to justified criticism

                    I have not read this. But, knowing the methodology of the criticism they use, which is always based on complete ignorance of the criticized subject, I think there will be nothing interesting there.
          2. 0
            18 May 2020 20: 44
            You, dear, cave thinking. The scientific fact that the prevalence of this case is up to 5% in ANY population
      2. 0
        7 June 2020 18: 14
        And no one is different people
    4. +3
      17 May 2020 13: 05
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who performed both military and labor feats.

      Shpakovsky will not write about such people and does not want to ...
      Both cannot forgive them their own insignificance ...
      1. -4
        17 May 2020 14: 15
        Smart people discuss ideas, mediocre people discuss events, stupid people discuss people!
        1. +5
          17 May 2020 14: 36
          Quote: kalibr
          Smart people discuss ideas, mediocre people discuss events, stupid people discuss people!

          Yes, yes, we have already discussed this in a previous publication))
          I will answer you, just like you last time to me - I am a man and therefore human weaknesses are not alien to me ...))
          1. -2
            17 May 2020 16: 08
            Yes, Sergei, they are not alien ... But I did not write to you about your insignificance, and you are constantly trying to speak out to me in a far from disagreeable way. So they remind you who is who. And I tried to suggest that you write to the archive yourself, so you immediately ran out of time and money. It is not good to defend ideals like that. And I will tell you more: here all such bold critics are because they are anonymous. And if the "PM" would indicate age, education, profession, place of residence ... without an address. Many people would hold back their language! Or - I just wrote about Stakhanov, but you didn't bother to check through a search engine, well, etc. I face this all the time.
            1. +2
              17 May 2020 16: 16
              Quote: kalibr
              I just wrote about Stakhanov

              Bothered. Read. Article from the scientific and technical journal. Surprisingly without adjustments for wretched Soviet society, but rather because even in the Times they wrote about Stakhanov .. But the Times will not print anything bad .. Or am I picking on? )))
              And I also saw a page of your notebook ... Have you listened to "Voice of America"? ...
              Everything falls into place ...)
              1. +5
                17 May 2020 16: 26
                Quote: Slavs
                And I also saw a page of your notebook ... Have you listened to "Voice of America"? ...
                Everything falls into place ...)

                I just didn’t listen. How could I? This is a page, if you were careful, from a book with which I went to meetings with lecturers of the Central Committee of the CPSU and it contains what we, as low-level lecturers, were informed. So nothing falls into place. No fantasy.
            2. 0
              17 May 2020 16: 28
              Quote: kalibr
              You are constantly trying to speak out to me in a far from personal way.

              Starting with your articles about life in the Soviet village, where there were problems and this is a fact, you spoke impartially about everyone who grew up there ... I was always not enthusiastic about the city))
              Yes, many have already written to you why this attitude has developed .. Not just me.
              We have a strong discord in terms such as debt, honor, homeland ...
              If you do not invest in the article an attempt to defraud my Soviet past, then it does not cause a negative and you have such articles ...
              1. -1
                17 May 2020 17: 55
                Oh, Sergey, Sergey, you’re ridiculous, the right word ....
            3. +3
              17 May 2020 18: 23
              Vyacheslav, if you are such a lover of archives, then you probably have preserved summaries of speeches at party meetings of the early 80s. Your summaries. I would like to see what you told people then. For example, at that time I started working at the factory and was the secretary of the Komsomol committee. And I accordingly talked about what the party demanded, and about what I saw and criticized.
              1. -2
                17 May 2020 18: 36
                I kept a notebook with short notes of what the lecturers from the center told us, lecturers of the OK Komsomol and the CPSU RK. I also cited my articles criticizing what I saw and understood in my field in my articles on the technical creativity of that time. I never wrote an abstract. The memory was good and people liked that I did not look anywhere. But he said that it was required, understandably. Otherwise, who would let me out to the people or students?
                1. +1
                  18 May 2020 11: 20
                  Quote: kalibr
                  I still have a notebook with short notes of what we, the lecturers of the OK Komsomol and the Republic of KPSS

                  Who would have doubted. They didn't know how to think with their head. They listened, and then went to the team to push. I remember one such "smart guy" came from the district for a check - he checked my platoon. And I had a soldier after the East. fac. and even addicting nature. He chased such a clever man, as if he were naked in the bathhouse, with questions and answers, for they write (these "clever men") and speak in writing or ripped off from various sources. They even forget to make links to them. And today these "verifiers" have moved: one in Canada, the second in Israel, the third at Tyagnibok. But former members of the CPSU, political workers. You change your shoes on the run, Shpakovsky.
                  1. 0
                    7 June 2020 18: 20
                    It’s not necessary that Lalya himself is a military man; questions are not posed under the charter
          2. +1
            18 May 2020 09: 02
            So I remember who began to write bad words about their relatives, they say scoops ?, and worse? Is this not a discussion of people, and moreover
        2. +12
          17 May 2020 14: 51
          kalibr (Vyacheslav)
          Smart people discuss ideas, mediocre people discuss events, stupid people discuss people!
          No need to blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked, you yourself go to the person if these persons do not agree with you.
          1. +3
            17 May 2020 15: 59
            Did I write specifically about your stupidity? Just information for consideration. Personalities not mentioned!
          2. 0
            18 May 2020 09: 06
            Varyag_0711! Everything is so, about which my comment (I wanted it closer to the Slavs) turned out to be higher than yours!
            And do not quote, the network is buggy. .....
        3. +11
          17 May 2020 15: 26
          and stupid - write similar articles. Stalin was not captured - later he was born, but none of my grandfathers, parents and relatives said anything bad about him even once - all non-party. he himself lived in a "slop-scoop". today's youth never dreamed of what we had: they got an apartment, and bought a car for construction brigade money (Soviet "penny", and then "six"), and SOVIET education !!!, and not full-time current. And, most importantly, we raised children, taught them. We had and still have real friends. God grant that, at least, my grandchildren have a piece !!!!!
          1. -8
            17 May 2020 16: 20
            Quote: begemot20091
            and got an apartment, and bought a car for construction brigade money (Soviet "penny", and then "six"), and SOVIET education !!!, and not full-time current. And, most importantly, we raised children, taught them.

            I love people who are undemanding and simple. And the government also loves such people. She gave them all this and their support is provided to her! "Six" - well, how ... "thing"!
            1. +1
              18 May 2020 01: 51
              Quote: kalibr
              I love people who are undemanding and simple. And the government also loves such people. She gave them all this and their support is provided to her! "Six" - well, how ... "thing"!

              Citizen Shpakovsky. At one time, as a student, I refused a ticket to the Black Sea sanatorium. I wonder if you would refuse?
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 20: 48
                I would not refuse. Tell me, from what motives did you do this?
                1. +2
                  18 May 2020 21: 36
                  Quote: Oleg Zorin
                  Tell me, from what motives did you do this?

                  This was not my ticket. Someone beguiled something, and they shoved it to me. Like, I have a skin disease, and I need to go to the Crimean sanatorium.
            2. +2
              19 May 2020 03: 37
              It would be interesting to know why the previous government did not give you, but the current one gave it directly, that you are just so zealously "drowning" against the Soviets?
      2. 0
        17 May 2020 15: 14
        Sergei! I just wrote about Stakhanov ... Go to the profile and look or through the search engine!
      3. +3
        18 May 2020 00: 31
        It says at the beginning that most were not like that ..... further a description of the vices ...
        Interestingly, this is based on what conclusions about the majority?
        Penza archive or something ..? How to calculate it was possible. Yes sir?
        Anti-Soviet PR in action.
    5. +9
      17 May 2020 17: 11
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      This once again shows that human characters are very different. And these are facts on the one hand, and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who completed both military and labor feats.

      The wonderful Leningrad mosaic artist Vladimir Frolov created during the years of the Siege of Leningrad in cold and hunger, created mosaics for the Moscow metro. Works of extraordinary beauty and light. He died as soon as he made and sent the last conceived mosaic.
    6. +4
      18 May 2020 19: 56
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      This once again shows that human characters are very different. And these are facts on the one hand, and there were other people: the baker Kotinen, who died of starvation in Leningrad, A. Matrosov, A. Meresyev, A. Stakhanov, V. Gaganov and thousands and thousands of people who completed both military and labor feats.

      Just the author judges by himself. He can’t even imagine that there were, are and will be people who act on the principle:
      "Although human life is more precious than anything in the world, we always act as if there is something even more valuable in the world than human life ..." (Antoine de Saint-Exupery)
      1. 0
        7 June 2020 18: 22
        It’s for nothing that you put this dreamer as an example, he still didn’t understand anything
        1. +1
          8 June 2020 06: 53
          Quote: Icelord
          It’s for nothing that you put this dreamer as an example, he still didn’t understand anything

          Do you mean Antoine de Saint - Eusupery? If so, then in vain. Without people like him, the world would have long been gone
  2. +18
    17 May 2020 05: 22
    another vyser in the direction of the USSR ... Shpakovsky look out the window, that's where all the vices have gathered and are flourishing!
    1. -1
      17 May 2020 06: 23
      And here it is shown, if you did not notice that the roots of these vices were already then! And if you have already taken such a nickname, then remember the Dagestan proverb: "Where there are no good youth, there were no good old people!"
      1. +17
        17 May 2020 07: 37
        Quote: kalibr
        the roots of these vices were already then!

        Just then, these roots tried to uproot. And the roots themselves appeared in ancient times. Why try to make a club if you can whistle with a neighbor? Yes, and boil it with the same club, so as not to arise. Now for the pot from kindergarten will not be imprisoned.
        1. +12
          17 May 2020 07: 42
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Now for the pot from kindergarten will not be imprisoned.


          on the contrary, they’ll put him in a pot, and if he stole a billion, they won’t put him. It always has been, except for the USSR.
          1. +8
            17 May 2020 07: 48
            Quote: Bar1
            they’ll plant for a pot

            For damage up to a thousand rubles do not plant. And if you haven’t been previously involved, then you can steal up to 2500 without fear rattling into the zone. Otherwise, everything is correct.
            1. -4
              17 May 2020 08: 36
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Bar1
              they’ll plant for a pot

              For damage up to a thousand rubles do not plant. And if you haven’t been previously involved, then you can steal up to 2500 without fear rattling into the zone. Otherwise, everything is correct.

              any lawyer will prove to you that you stole a pan for 10 thousand, and this is a period of 10 years.
              1. +7
                17 May 2020 09: 52
                Quote: Bar1
                any lawyer will prove to you that you stole a pan for 10 thousand, and this is a period of 10 years.

                And any normal lawyer will bring a similar saucepan with a check from the store for 600 rubles. So this is the case of our incorruptible court. However, they will not look for a saucepan; there’s nothing more to do to them. Aniskins have long been out of favor. crying
          2. 0
            17 May 2020 08: 50
            To steal a billion you need access, and to access that kind of money you need brains.
            1. +7
              17 May 2020 10: 04
              Quote: Krasnodar
              To steal a billion you need access, and to access that kind of money you need brains.

              Enough connections and the ability to "lick" on time. Brains have nothing to do with it.
              1. +6
                17 May 2020 17: 25
                In general, nothing to do with it)) That person is dumb, like a traffic jam, but licks - and becomes the financial director of the holding, because ..... communications? laughing My acquaintance of his son is holding a deputy. chief of security - well, he doesn’t pull, he says. Yes, and brains are needed to steal and not get caught
        2. -10
          17 May 2020 07: 54
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          tried to uproot

          But failed! They do not plant pots because they are not stolen. But to those who give a shortcut at the top. Go to the site of the Penza region: yesterday the FSB gutted the top with might and main ...
          1. +7
            17 May 2020 07: 57
            Quote: kalibr
            They do not plant pots because they are not stolen.

            Spoons steal, not like pots.
          2. +3
            17 May 2020 14: 39
            Quote: kalibr
            there yesterday the FSB in full gutted the top ...

            Not shared .. Because there was a team - face!
        3. 0
          17 May 2020 18: 58
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: kalibr
          the roots of these vices were already then!

          Just then, these roots tried to uproot. And the roots themselves appeared in ancient times. Why try to make a club if you can whistle with a neighbor? Yes, and boil it with the same club, so as not to arise. Now for the pot from kindergarten will not be imprisoned.

          When --- then? In 1963? Yes, did they eat the roots in the 19th century in the RI. And the theft of their superiors during the REV, 1MV?
          1. +1
            17 May 2020 19: 34
            Quote: Reptiloid
            When --- then? In 1963?

            Yes, they always tried. Hands thieves chopped, counterfeiters in the throat poured tin ...
            1. +1
              17 May 2020 19: 52
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Reptiloid
              When --- then? In 1963?

              Yes, they always tried. Hands thieves chopped, counterfeiters in the throat poured tin ...

              Well, finally, Vladimir, with the help of our comments, the author finds out about this!
              1. +1
                17 May 2020 20: 04
                We have a cool leader was a numismatist. She talked a lot about coins, it’s only a pity that he flew into one ear and flew out of the other ... But I remembered something ...
                1. +1
                  17 May 2020 20: 21
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  We have a cool leader was a numismatist. She talked a lot about coins, it’s only a pity that he flew into one ear and flew out of the other ... But I remembered something ...

                  Yes, interestingly, you had comments about coins. Today I will write to you in a personal ...... later
      2. +3
        17 May 2020 08: 12
        In at least two cities, mayors were jailed for criminality, but people were still ready to vote for them and said during an interview: "Yes, he is a thief, but what stores he rebuilt for us." Why is all this? Yes, because people are convinced of one thing: in Russia they have always stolen and will steal, everyone lies with us, so what noise is to be made of this? And many subconsciously feel that they themselves would have done the same thing - and lied, and stole, if they had gotten out to the big bosses. Is it worth it, therefore, to gasp and groan, complaining and perplexed: "Why, then, everything is different for us as for people, and we have some kind of creepy, lousy capitalism." What was socialism - such is capitalism, that's all. "
        Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”

        PS Highlighted by me - Plantagenet.
      3. +14
        17 May 2020 08: 56
        Quote: kalibr
        And here it is shown, if you did not notice that the roots of these vices were already then!

        Dagestan proverb is correct.
        And historicity is right, even in relation to vices.
        One thing is wrong, the historical process is cut, haphazardly.
        And then, one will cut off the Great October Socialist Revolution, and begin to attribute all the abominations to the fools of the Communists (That is, he will find fools among the Communists).
        Another will cut off in 1991 and scold democracy (even ancient Greek ...).
        Someone will cut off Peter from the beginning, and make the "Germans" guilty ...

        Not seriously, that is, not scientifically, all this.
        And, no matter how interesting the individual facts are, the single facts do not carry much sense for understanding the historical process.

        The Great Poet is right - "Great things are seen at a distance."
        It is too early to give grades to the acts of 1963.
        I guess nature will soon adjust ....

        I agree with two facts:
        1. The film "Communist" is good.
        2. The decisions of the party meeting and the court of Penza regarding the character convicted of sabotage agree.
    2. -9
      17 May 2020 07: 19
      Quote: Dead Day
      another vyser in the direction of the USSR ... Shpakovsky look out the window, that's where all the vices have gathered and are flourishing!

      and I don’t want to look out the window 1933-1963?

      why so? uncomfortable?

      There it appears. not only "glory to the Communist Party and personally to the comrade!" see, but also millions of E ... new, with disfigured fates for the fact that ....
      "E ... s, allowed instability and hesitation in understanding the correctness of the line of our party,
      , for the wrong ... column of origin. for having hit someone in the head with a mind to call you a fist and the like belay fool

      how many times the party itself has hesitated over these 30 years. the district committee prudently kept silent - so as not to get into a mess - confused himself, see lol laughing The party fluctuated from "glory to the great ...!" To "Shame ...!" and from you give! to "well, it's on fick".

      Here very flexible spine and beliefs it was necessary to clearly follow the bizarre wobbles of party politics! lol

      student rights.
      1. +11
        17 May 2020 07: 41
        Quote: Olgovich
        but also millions of E ... s, with disfigured fates for ....

        In the Republic of Ingushetia, the statement of a serf with a request for acceptance into the nobility would not be considered. They would have ordered to carve at the stable, and all business.
        1. -14
          17 May 2020 07: 56
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          In the Republic of Ingushetia, the statement of a serf with a request for acceptance into the nobility would not be considered.

          No need to compare the incomparable, have you already agreed somehow? And even in the Stone Age, the leader could eat the objectionable!
          1. +13
            17 May 2020 08: 06
            Quote: kalibr
            No need to compare the incomparable, have you already agreed somehow?

            What do you do when you give here the opinion of a student who is studying at a bourgeois university named after an imperial financier? Fifty years have passed from the time of Count Witte to the 60s, from the time of the 60s to our time, already, count the seventh dozen.
            1. -14
              17 May 2020 08: 23
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              From the time of Count Witte to the 60s, fifty years have passed,

              Only here society under Witt was much more free, honest and humane- this is evidenced by the number of different parties, views, different press, free elections. jury trials, the number of prisoners, executed, officials and overseers, etc.

              And what is wrong student? Rights!
              1. +8
                17 May 2020 09: 08
                Quote: Olgovich
                Only society under Witt was much more free, honest and humane, this is evidenced by the number of different parties, views, different press, free elections.

                And this most humane society has come to civil war.
                Quote: Olgovich
                What is wrong student? Rights!

                A girl who, in addition to Putin’s rule in Russia, has not seen anything in her life, from the perspective of modern times, she talks about a specific case that the author slipped her. And transfers this case to the whole society, calling it abnormal. Good attitude to their ancestors, nothing to say.
                1. -10
                  17 May 2020 09: 54
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And this most humane society has come to civil war.

                  exactly. which is humane and too much: bald parasitic Karls had to quickly rot in the mines (strictly according to the law!). not .... skate in "link" skating. fuck. hunt and overeat to such an extent that the mother-in-law was amazed: "Eck you BREAK!"
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  A girl who, in addition to Putin’s rule in Russia, has not seen anything in her life, from the perspective of modern times, she talks about a specific case that the author slipped her.

                  To distinguish good from evil, one does not have to live in the time of Adam and Eve.
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And transfers this case to the whole society, calling it abnormal. Good attitude to their ancestors, nothing to say.

                  If you tell me that society has robbed and exiled million children (and millions of parents) in the cold to the north of Narymsky, Arkhangelsk Krai in barracks and huts. normal you will surprise me very much. children are the same. by the way. made up the bulk of the deaths among these people ..

                  Do you know similar examples in the history of the world? Bring.
                  1. +5
                    17 May 2020 10: 06
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    exactly. which is humane and too much: the bald parasitic carls had to quickly rot in the mines (strictly by law!).

                    The workers who worked for your ancestor, whose portrait is hanging in the Hermitage, did not count so.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    If you tell me that a society has robbed and exiled a million children (and millions of parents) in frosts to the north of Narymsky, Arkhangelsk Krai to barracks and huts. normal something

                    And before that, millions lived in barracks and huts.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Do you know similar examples in the history of the world?

                    Will fences in England be an example?
                    1. -10
                      17 May 2020 11: 26
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      The workers who worked for your ancestor, whose portrait is hanging in the Hermitage, did not count so.

                      1. My ancestors worked themselves and served the Fatherland. Yes, there are photographs of them in the St. Petersburg Museum, but not in the Hermitage.

                      2. It was not the workers who made decisions, but the humane government, which, in its humanism, did not comply with its own laws and did not destroy all these gangsters-kamo, kabo, Lenin and others Sverdlov ..

                      and there were so few of them that no one would have noticed.

                      BUT-the humanism of the authorities, the courts, the execution of punishments-just amaze - against the background of subsequent brutal decades ...
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And before that, millions lived in barracks and huts

                      Millions before that lived no worse, but better. You take an interest in the construction of housing in the USSR before the Second World War, you will be very surprised.

                      And this is not about that (this is still happiness), but about CHILDREN exiled to martyrdom:
                      letter from the People's Commissar of the NKVD Tolmachev in Akhrhangelsk about more than a hundred thousand people ::)
                      People are housed in 750 barracks, hastily concocted from poles. Unbelievable tightness, there are places where per person accounts for 1 / sq. square meters during the construction of plank beds several floors (cubic less than the grave). There are no floors in the huts, the roof is made of poles and lightly sprinkled with melting and crumbling earth. The temperature is not higher than 4 °, as a rule. Lice. With bad nutrition, and for many, with its almost complete absence, all this creates a tremendous incidence and the same mortality among children.

                      At the onset of the full [spring] (second half of April, May) the earth in the barracks melts (many stand on marshy soil), flows from above, and their entire population will stick together in a dirty, rotting, living lump.

                      I give some figures characterizing the situation now.

                      Certificate of morbidity and mortality among the deportees.

                      In the city of Arkhangelsk out of 8 thousand children fell ill 6007 people. .In the North Dvinsky District on April 12, 1930, everything died - 784, of which 634 children.
                      The total percentage of incidence among children is 85.

                      those. more 80% deadx-CHILDREN!

                      The only request of these people to the authorities was, "Don't torture us! Better kill!"
                      is ... a normal society? belay Or if we don’t know, then .... there was nothing?
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Will fences in England be an example?

                      Of course not.

                      Century, build-WHAT is the comparison ?!
                      1. +5
                        17 May 2020 11: 57
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You take an interest in the construction of housing in the USSR before the Second World War, you will be very surprised.

                        What should I be surprised at, I am well aware of the plans of the pre-war five-year plans. There are issues of industrialization, not housing.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        letter from the People's Commissar of the NKVD Tolmachev in Akhrkhangelsk about more than a hundred thousand people ::

                        As you can see, the question was raised, your efforts would seek mortality during the Stolypin reform.
                        They asked for historical examples, and I gave.
                      2. -8
                        17 May 2020 13: 30
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        What should I be surprised at, I am well aware of the plans of the pre-war five-year plans. There are issues of industrialization, not housing.

                        I remind you that in the 1917th they promised not five-year plans with hunger and barracks, but a paradise on earth - communism
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        As you can see, the question was raised,

                        shot the lift, yes, -not that, apparently, raised Yes
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Your efforts would seek mortality during the Stolypin reform.

                        belay nothing to raise request

                        But there is an example from the Nest-Stolypin "development" of Siberia: relatives from the side of the grandmother - a family of peasants consisting of 9 people (6 children), were thrown out of their own house in winter, even the short fur coats from the children were torn off and sent to the Urals, where they were thrown into the taiga. One girl survived, the rest disappeared without a trace. as it has never been in the world. Then she went to her homeland, to Pochep: all their robbers drank themselves, degraded and died - someone else did not bring them happiness ..

                        there is a more recent example: 1948, from Salgany, Odessa region: a family (7 people), barely surviving the war, a wild famine of 46-47 years, was captured (someone in the field. someone .... at school !, someone at home) and - to the truck and to the train, to the Urals in the winter to the barn.
                        They saved the Russian people, dismantled the Russian poor fellow for the huts.
                        This was more fortunate — everyone working, settled down, started a farm — collective farms begged them to stay afterwards ...
                        They didn’t let them go home, they left for Donbass, they worked in the mines, someone became crippled, they learned, earned money and returned home, they bought their own home from degraded alcoholics to whom they gave it to them. repaired and lived normally.
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        They asked for historical examples, and I gave.

                        You compare the wild initial capitalism of the 15th century and the popular, as it were, caring society 20th century. What is it like?! belay
                      3. -5
                        17 May 2020 14: 08
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        As you can see, the question was raised,

                        But hesitated, and people died ... Under the state of the dictatorship of the proletariat ...
                  2. 5-9
                    0
                    17 May 2020 13: 06
                    Yes, you are a communicative defender ... A billion children, and this is only in the Arkhangelsk Territory and only 37m ...
                    Compare with the current number of children in these places and understand that this rare nonsense does not allow this?
                    1. -5
                      17 May 2020 14: 57
                      Quote: 5-9
                      Compare with the current number of children in these places and understand that this rare nonsense does not allow this?

                      To learn, at least elementarily, the history of YOUR country does not allow laziness and post.
                      And yes, didn’t you try to read and understand what was written?

                      What are these "places", what the hell?

                      Exiled peasants to many places and Arkhangelsk region, only ONE of them.

                      It was still north of Narymsky region ("resort", yes), so-called construction sites. "national" households in the Urals, etc., etc.
                      Quote: 5-9
                      . A billion children, and this is only in the Arkhangelsk Territory and only 37m ...

                      fool
                      Peasants were sent mainly to 1930-33 yyy. From 2,6 млн exiled peasants 40% children.

                      Got it, no? No.
              2. +7
                17 May 2020 12: 00
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                From the time of Count Witte to the 60s, fifty years have passed,

                Only here society under Witt was much more free, honest and humane- this is evidenced by the number of different parties, views, different press, free elections. jury trials, the number of prisoners, executed, officials and overseers, etc.

                And what is wrong student? Rights!

                Small illustrations about individual members of society, the views and behavior of which were clearly formed before the Soviet government (from personal):
                1) My grandfather, after being wounded near Moscow (I don’t remember exactly, probably 1942) received a vacation and came home. His own parents (I don’t know the details, only the father or mother too) said to the police that he was a deserter and hiding from the army. Grandfather under arrest. Understood, released.
                After marriage (after the war), the grandfather still lived with his parents for some time. The food was prepared separately! Old people hid products. We got to the point that his wife (my grandmother) began to swell from hunger!
                After that, the grandfather broke all ties with them, and only already dying, they asked him for forgiveness. And he forgave them or not, I don’t remember that anymore.

                2) Another story. My great-grandmother married a disabled PMV a second time, already having a child (my grandmother). Those. she was not his native.
                So, my grandmother was evacuated due to hunger (after liberation from the Germans) in Central Asia, she took two children with her, and left her third child (my aunt) in the care of my parents, because with three minors could not cope on the road. My aunt began to swell from hunger, because her grandfather (not her own) hid food! And when the grandmother quietly found supplies of millet and began to cook her (also quietly), then when he found out, he beat my great-grandmother with a piece of iron and she fell down, and after some time died from beating. It is good that my grandmother managed to return from the evacuation by this time and my aunt remained alive. This great-grandfather was really worried after the death of the great-grandmother and also died quickly. Before death, he asked for forgiveness.

                PS Do not idealize the society that was formed in the Republic of Ingushetia. Nobleness is certainly good, especially in films. But in life everything was the same as in life - cruelty, rudeness, betrayal, the struggle for survival. hi
                1. -11
                  17 May 2020 13: 59
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Small illustrations about individual members of society, the views and behavior of which were clearly formed before the Soviet government (from personal):
                  1) My grandfather, after being wounded near Moscow (I don’t remember exactly, probably 1942) received a vacation and came home. His own parents (I don’t know the details, only my father or mother too) told the police that he was a deserter and was hiding from the army.

                  No, it was formed during the conspiracy of power (and it would be strange to think that 25 years of radical breakdowns ... did not affect views and behavior).

                  They simply knew well the article of the Criminal Code that punishment for neglect counterrevolutionary crimes and especially dangerous crimes against the management order were also distributed on family members of the person who prepared or committed such a crime, i.e. grandfather and grandmother
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  PS Do not idealize the society that was formed in the Republic of Ingushetia. Nobleness is certainly good, especially in films. But in life everything was the same as in life - cruelty, rudeness, betrayal, the struggle for survival.

                  It was more humane to people in general, about this speech.

                  And "cruelty, rudeness, betrayal, struggle for survival" were, is and will be for a very long time ...
            2. -2
              17 May 2020 14: 10
              Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) She is our contemporary! The future belongs to her and people like her, and not to you.
              1. +1
                17 May 2020 20: 13
                Quote: kalibr
                The future belongs to her and people like her, and not to you.

                My future belongs to me personally. I chose to live in good conscience. But you, Caliber, this is not observed.
                1. +2
                  17 May 2020 21: 40
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  My future belongs to me personally. I chose to live in good conscience.

                  In good faith or not, for two centuries, neither you nor I have stored. So do not talk about the future. It is known ...
                  1. 0
                    18 May 2020 11: 12
                    Quote: kalibr
                    It is known ...

                    It is not known, but predictable, and you hope that you will become an "idol" for our descendants. And I think that they will be smarter than us, and having dealt with our history, they will understand that you are just the reincarnation of Smerdyakov, but of a later Soviet spill.
                    1. -1
                      18 May 2020 11: 47
                      Quote: ccsr
                      It is not known, but predictable, and you hope that you will become an "idol" for our descendants.

                      He has already become, but not an idol, but a legend. There is not a single SUT, not a single technical club in the country, where since 1987 there would not be my books on children's technical creativity, and even today they work. People read the magazine Tankomaster from 1991 to 1995, and then until 2007 it was very popular, as the umbrella brands say: Aviamaster, Flotomaster, Master + Aviation, Master-gun, Standmaster, Minimaster, and even Master-knife. and books ... take a look on the Web and read reviews on them. "Tanks are unique ..." was reprinted three times, "Let's die near Moscow ..." two. "Samurai" received a grant from the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation, as well as "Knights-Crusaders". Much more ... That's enough for me.
                      1. +2
                        18 May 2020 12: 26
                        Quote: kalibr
                        where since 1987 there would be no my books on children's technical creativity and I understand that even today they work.

                        Stop-stop - why on earth have Soviet publications, which hardly anyone remembers, started to present as the pinnacle of your creative success? Here you advertise yourself almost as a guru of modern PR technologies, and palm off your books, where there is not a word about children's creativity.
                        It may be enough to make jumps on the sides, but is it better to dwell on the main line of your claims to the history of the USSR? As far as I understand, the peak of your creative success falls precisely at the present time, and is it connected with PR propaganda technologies - or did I misunderstand something? Do not be distracted not by the children's art of the Soviet period - you lower the bar for discussing your enchanting activities.
                      2. -2
                        18 May 2020 12: 35
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Am I misunderstood something?

                        That's it. It doesn't matter to me at all what and where my place is. Can I explain it easily? There are many much more authoritative PR specialists in our country, but what's mine is mine. I always believed that the main thing is to do what you like and that you also get paid for it. So I do it. I wanted to write about homemade products and broadcast TV programs about them in Penza and Samara, I did just that. And hardly anyone remembers - ha ha! Circulation of hundreds of thousands of copies. On all SUTs they are and on them and now they work! Tanks became interesting - I took up them and this resulted in a bunch of books and a magazine published from 1991 to 2007. Are the knights interested? Books have been published on them. Want to write a Roma based on alternative history? Wrote it and it is already on Wikidia. A novel on the history of the Civil War? Written! About OL? Written. There is even an erotic novel "The Season of Love", which sells very well on the Internet. Now it is also happening with locks. I go and look. And I write about them. That is, what I like is what I do. And PR is work and experience: from 1995 to 2017. That's all!
                      3. +2
                        18 May 2020 13: 08
                        Quote: kalibr
                        That's it. I don’t care what and where I have a place.

                        You’re lying - you just wriggle in order to be noticed even on this site.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Explain available?

                        But with the lie that it makes no difference to you, otherwise you would not suffer from such fertility.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        I wanted to write about homemade products and broadcast TV programs about them in Penza and Samara, and I did so.

                        And how did the CPSU prevent you in this matter?
                        Quote: kalibr
                        There is even an erotic novel "The Season of Love",

                        In general, Maupassant, Jules Verne and Pikul in one bottle - bravo, such unique ones rarely come across. Whatever the sexuality education of adolescents has written - otherwise I can’t imagine the areas where you wouldn’t be noted. They even began to write about castles - it remains as Fedor Konyukhov to carry out a round-the-world trip and there will be a full paragraph. A fair wind in your ass ....
                      4. 0
                        18 May 2020 13: 31
                        Writing in VO is my job. And the fact that I do it well, well ... well. Do people notice? Well, that means there is something to notice. As Konyukhov I cannot, I am not interested in traveling alone without family. And what the CPSU prevented about this were my articles taken from the Penza newspapers of that time. They are in articles on technical creativity. And not only the CPSU, but the entire soviet system, only then I did not understand this and worked to strengthen it. However, the last, that is, my efforts, values, as it turned out, had no: Mene, mene, tekel uparsin! As, however, do not have all your stupid accusations. In this case, only your clicks are valuable.
                      5. +1
                        18 May 2020 13: 39
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Writing in VO is my job.

                        You seem to specialize in textbooks - are there really ridiculous fees for them that you switched to VO?
                        Quote: kalibr
                        As, however, do not have all your stupid accusations.

                        Why then do you react so painfully to them?
                        Quote: kalibr
                        In this case, only your clicks are valuable.

                        You see, you yourself have proved that the value of your work does not interest you - the main thing is to click. A good "educator" - you will not say anything ...
                      6. 0
                        18 May 2020 15: 42
                        Am I reacting painfully? For some reason you only read yourself, but my answers are not. For the second time it went. Who told you that I SPECIALIZE IN TEXTBOOKS, WHO? I? There was no such thing. I already wrote to you that I don't care what to write about and what to do. The main thing for me is to do what I like! I already wrote! I do what I liked. Got it? What would be interesting, it would not bother, and what would be paid. ALL!!!! Why does everyone like YOU think that "a poet in Russia is more than a poet"? It should be? I wrote to you again ... buy my textbook on public opinion management or online journalism, you won't ask stupid questions. But if you ask I have to answer them. There are already 502 comments, right? Will we catch up to 550? The fees are ridiculous ... whatever. Happiness is not in money, but in their QUANTITY! Available? Or did you not even know that? Know that. It is necessary to do what requires a minimum cost, but gives the maximum profit! Pareto's Law: 80 to 20! Read it and think. Now you have already explained everything, like a little one.
                      7. +1
                        18 May 2020 17: 33
                        Quote: kalibr
                        The fees are ridiculous ... but whatever.

                        I realized what all your sadness is ...
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Happiness is not in money, but in their AMOUNT! Available?

                        I immediately said that you are Bender of the post-Soviet spill, and I was not mistaken.
                        And here you are rubbing tales about the difficult Soviet life, although it is already clear that this is only a cover for your own insolvency.
                      8. -1
                        18 May 2020 20: 08
                        Are you a dumb and dumber character in one person? Where have I rubbed you fairy tales about the hard Soviet life? I just lived very well. And I never had much sadness! I always knew that in any case, I would be able to live as I liked. I repeat once again, the main thing is to do what you want with minimal labor costs (20%) and get 80% of the profit for it. If this succeeds, then what kind of insolvency can we talk about. It is not necessary to pass off the desired for reality. But in this case, something else is more important: there are already 520 comments, and after the mention of the novel "Season of Love", two have already bought it. Of course, it may be an accident, but it happened soon after our dialogue. Let's see what happens after that ...
            3. -2
              18 May 2020 00: 47
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: kalibr
              No need to compare the incomparable, have you already agreed somehow?

              What do you do when you give here the opinion of a student who is studying at a bourgeois university named after an imperial financier? Fifty years have passed from the time of Count Witte to the 60s, from the time of the 60s to our time, already, count the seventh dozen.

              I’m embarrassed to ask, Vladimir, what did you and your opponent agree on and when? I missed something .... request recourse
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 01: 03
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Ladimir, what did you and your opponent agree on and when?

                I do not remember that I would agree on something there with Shpakovsky. Let it be on his conscience.
                1. -1
                  18 May 2020 01: 13
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Ladimir, what did you and your opponent agree on and when?

                  I do not remember that I would agree on something there with Shpakovsky. Let it be on his conscience.
                  well yes! This is such a PR technique !!!!!!!! What to think of about an opponent! Great! But no wonder.
                  1. -1
                    18 May 2020 01: 39
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    This is such a PR technique.

                    This technique is designed for a weak opponent, when persuasion does not help. So, I’m at Shpakovsky’s third reception, when he scatters me from head to toe. laughing
                    1. 0
                      7 June 2020 18: 36
                      Heh well everyone gets what they deserve
      2. +2
        17 May 2020 09: 54
        and I don’t want to look out the window 1933-1963?

        And what, in this period a black hole? There industrialization (even Moldova affected), purging from traitors, Victory, restoration of the country, Space. Something like this.
        1. -6
          17 May 2020 11: 48
          Quote: Aviator_

          And what, in this period a black hole? There industrialization (even Moldova affected), purging from traitors, Victory, restoration of the country, Space. Something like this.

          Not only.

          In this window there are also many millions of people who died of starvation, many hundreds of thousands of people executed (in a year!), Millions of people who were exiled. unprecedented military disasters and losses in the world, peasants paying tribute, a demographic catastrophe since the 1930s, tens of thousands of monuments of Russian glory, culture, art, hundreds of millions of abortions destroyed. wild alcoholism, etc.

          sterilization, yes, where to spread? People were able to eat, dress and live on m2 as in 1913 already after forty years!

          You are distracted from "Pravda" - it was a window into a non-existent, parallel "reality2
          1. +2
            17 May 2020 12: 27
            Quote: Olgovich
            People were able to eat, dress and live on m2 as in 1913 already after forty years!

            Wow, did you dance in bast shoes in the early 50s?
            1. -6
              17 May 2020 14: 09
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Olgovich
              People were able to eat, dress and live on m2 as in 1913 already after forty years!

              Wow, did you dance in bast shoes in the early 50s?

              not wow, but wow! Yes : read Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 01: 11
                Quote: Olgovich
                not wow, but wow! : read Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955

                I read it.
                Compared to the nutrition of the population in pre-revolutionary Russia, the nutrition of the population in 1954 has improved significantly. The population of the USSR in 1954 per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):


                Bread Products - 90

                Potato - 204

                Vegetables and gourds - 165

                Meat and Fat - 119

                Fish and fish products - 133

                Milk and dairy products in milk - 114

                Eggs - 175

                Sugar - 258
                1. 0
                  18 May 2020 09: 26
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  not wow, but wow! : read Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955

                  I read it.
                  Compared to the nutrition of the population in pre-revolutionary Russia, the nutrition of the population in 1954 has improved significantly. The population of the USSR in 1954 per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period was (in percent):


                  Bread Products - 90

                  Potato - 204

                  Vegetables and gourds - 165

                  Meat and Fat - 119

                  Fish and fish products - 133

                  Milk and dairy products in milk - 114

                  Eggs - 175

                  Sugar - 258

                  That's it: after 40 (FORTY1) years, we just DIDED 1913!

                  There is also a table of kcal consumption: in 1955, for the RSFSR, the figure was 2895 kcal, in Russia it was MORE than 3 kcal
                  1. -1
                    18 May 2020 10: 49
                    Well, from these forty years we subtract four years of the First World War, another four years of civil life and four years of the Great Patriotic War. Thus, out of forty years, only 28 are peaceful. It is more correct to compare, for example, 1913 and 1917 (how consumption fell during the WWII), then how it fell during the Civil War. Accordingly, take the end of the GW as a base, consider recovery before 1941, consider the fall for the Second World War and the pace of post-war recovery.
                    This is more interesting than just having a storm of emotions.
                    1. -1
                      18 May 2020 12: 12
                      Quote: Deniska999
                      Well, from these forty years we subtract four years of the First World War, another four years of civil life and four years of the Great Patriotic War. Thus, out of forty years, only 28 are peaceful. It is more correct to compare, for example, 1913 and 1917 (how consumption fell during the WWII), then how it fell during the Civil War. Accordingly, take the end of the GW as a base, consider recovery before 1941, consider the fall for the Second World War and the pace of post-war recovery.
                      This is more interesting than just having a storm of emotions.


                      in order not to deal with unnecessary calculations, it is enough to know that already by 1928 the level of 1913 g for consumption was. practically achieved.

                      But in 1933,37,40 g-was full opa compared with both 1928 and 1913

                      See Report of the CSB 1955
                      1. 0
                        18 May 2020 12: 18
                        Let's get a link, let's see.
                      2. -2
                        18 May 2020 12: 31
                        Quote: Deniska999
                        Let's get a link, let's see.


                        Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR to Bulganin 1955

                        It is available on Istmat, http://istmat.info/node/18419.

                        and take a look at the clothes.

                        at the same time, how many times the consumption of meat and so on in the "dying" USA in the 30s was higher than in the USSR ...
                      3. -3
                        18 May 2020 13: 28
                        If you think that what I saw will cause me anger or something like that, then we’ve got to one) Thanks for the link.
                      4. 0
                        18 May 2020 14: 06
                        Quote: Deniska999
                        If you believe that what you see will cause i have anger or something like that, then no one hit)

                        belay lol laughing
                        Quote: Deniska999
                        Thanks for the link.

                        Do you have a link?
                        I don’t have an isthmate, why ...
                      5. 0
                        18 May 2020 15: 18
                        A saved copy in google opened.
                      6. 0
                        19 May 2020 06: 46
                        Quote: Deniska999
                        A saved copy in google opened.

                        Interesting, nevertheless, your opinion?
          2. +3
            17 May 2020 12: 33
            Well, why millions - billions, go all the way to your blessed Moldova. The main grief for her is the year 1940, when they joined the USSR, and in 1944, when she returned to the USSR.
            1. -12
              17 May 2020 14: 25
              Quote: Aviator_
              Well, why millions - billions

              Because DOCUMENTS say so. moreover, false Bolshevik documents.
              But even they cannot hide the truth.
              Quote: Aviator_
              The main grief for her is the year 1940, when they joined the USSR, and in 1944, when she returned to the USSR.

              The main grief for Bessarabia, as well as for the whole of Russia, is Thieves coup, which turned it into ... a Romanian province, and then ..., turned RUSSIAN Bessarabia into ... some kind of circumcised "mssr" (without even asking its inhabitants). fool

              Who gave you the right so deal with land of Russia temporary workers, huh? fool
              Having cut off Bessarabia, transferring Budzhak and Khotin .... some so-called. "Ussr", cutting into parts the Gagauz and Bulgarians, etc.? angry

              Do you even understand what you have done? No.
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 18: 18
                Well, yes, they also created the Mikroprovod association. There is not enough ash to sprinkle on your head for all the atrocities of the Bolshevik communists. I grieve with you. Govorukhin, by any chance, did he consult with you when he sculpted his opus "Russia We Lost"?
                1. -3
                  19 May 2020 06: 56
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Well, yes, they also created the Mikroprovod association.

                  They robbed Russia and created Moldova and Ukraine.

                  Once again: WHO temporary workers gave the right to squander Russia?

                  Traitors ....
                  1. 0
                    19 May 2020 09: 23
                    In-in, robbers, French rolls from all residents of the Republic of Ingushetia were taken away, villains - commies
                    1. -4
                      19 May 2020 09: 44
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      In-in, robbers, French rolls from all residents of the Republic of Ingushetia were taken away, villains - commies

                      you selected the rolls in 1921,22,24,25,28,32,33, 37,39,46,47, and in other years there were wild lines for everything.

                      And the people of Russia, you took their land - 5 million km2, brought him to the Russian cross, caused irreparable damage to his culture, history and scientific personnel
                      1. 0
                        19 May 2020 18: 48
                        caused irreparable damage to his culture, history and scientific staff

                        As a scientist, I grieve with you, I did not know anything like this without these revelations! Spread a muddy puddle of tears and snot in great sorrow ...
                      2. -3
                        19 May 2020 20: 54
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        As a scientist I mourn with you, I didn’t know like that


                        Duc, and see it ....

                        "U. U, U!" - said one of your foreign Swiss Karla. And you?! belay am

                        disgrace ... lol
                      3. 0
                        19 May 2020 22: 21
                        What wanted to say something, sickly? Moldovan wine at night is harmful in such quantities. Sleep well, dear comrade.
                      4. -2
                        20 May 2020 06: 35
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        What wanted to say something, sickly?

                        1. poke - you will be yours lol wife, lol

                        2. WHAT is incomprehensible, difficult to understand? belay request

                        Karla already ... forgotten? His ... "works"? belay

                        So tie with the boyar : then you can understand at least something don't fall asleep- ahead of time hi
                      5. 0
                        20 May 2020 08: 06
                        Well, sensitive, just like a former caliber of Marxism-Leninism propagandist. It seems that he was in the same party.
                      6. -2
                        20 May 2020 08: 11
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Well, sensitive, just like a former caliber of Marxism-Leninism propagandist.

                        No in "it"I didn't join. No.
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Seem to be, in one party with him consisted.

                        did you try to cross yourself? Yes

                        Or does karma not allow? lol
            2. 0
              7 June 2020 18: 38
              There are probably reasons to grieve, or are they all unconscious?
        2. -11
          17 May 2020 14: 13
          Quote: Aviator_
          Kosmos

          Yes, your whole cosmos is not worth those childhood tears that children shed during the scoop from hunger, shed losing their parents, declared enemies of the people, shed when they were forced to publicly refuse them. Space ... in the coffin they saw him and what for he surrendered to them.
          1. +5
            17 May 2020 14: 17
            Well, Vyacheslav, I was ready to hear such a thing from the great sadman for RI Olgovich, but from you, about the classic tear of a child? Getting old!
            1. -5
              17 May 2020 14: 26
              Sergey, but this is already strange. You seem to be not from a plow or from a village, but you poke me as well ... It is somehow inconvenient for you to remind you that there are certain rules of politeness accepted among cultured people ... And the classical one is not wrong!
              1. +5
                17 May 2020 15: 24
                Yes, hatred of the village just rolls over. A consequence of the distribution work, probably. In fact, there is something to argue? Dostoevsky's literary hero - the standard of decency?
                1. +3
                  18 May 2020 09: 15
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Yes, hatred of the village just rolls over. A consequence of the distribution work, probably. In fact, there is something to argue? Dostoevsky's literary hero - the standard of decency?

                  Hatred of the USSR and all those who lived in the USSR, without exception. hi hi good morning SERGEY !!
                  1. +2
                    18 May 2020 18: 14
                    Hatred of the USSR and all those who lived in the USSR, without exception.

                    With the exception for myself, my beloved.
                    Good evening, Dmitry. Finally appeared. Have you read anything from the sent one? There is also.
                    1. +1
                      19 May 2020 02: 51
                      Thank you Sergey I really like your articles. These are the most interesting stories about that time, moreover with a photo and mention of real specific people and scientists. And not all gossip and jokes about his own relatives.
          2. +2
            17 May 2020 20: 30
            Quote: kalibr
            that the children during the scoop shed from hunger, shed losing parents declared enemies of the people

            My grandfather was a prisoner. After being wounded in a penal battalion, he was sent to the mine. Ah, what are the tears, Vyacheslav Olegovich ... My grandfather twice a week pound chicken for 6-8, and my grandmother did not work at all after the war.
            1. -2
              17 May 2020 21: 42
              Material about hunger will be here ... Do not worry!
      3. +8
        17 May 2020 14: 42
        Quote: Olgovich
        and I don’t want to look out the window 1933-1963?

        And what year is it outside your window ??
        Or did you fit into the market?
    3. +15
      17 May 2020 09: 45
      Quote: Dead Day
      another vyser towards the USSR... look at the window of Shpakovsky, that’s where all the vices have gathered and flourish!

      Yes, the author is ready to throw substance on the fan of history, especially of the Soviet period, 24 hours a day. Only then the party werewolves, thieves and homosexuals were expelled from the ranks of the party, they were tried, confiscated illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared their foreheads with green stuff and put them against the wall in order to remove them from society, today they are protected, parades are arranged for them, real terms are replaced by conditional , or are completely limited to fines, and the ruling "elite" by any means tries to justify this by tolerance and tolerance. Article minus.
      1. +1
        17 May 2020 10: 15
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Yes, the author is ready to throw substance on the fan of history, especially of the Soviet period, 24 hours a day. Only then the party werewolves, thieves and homosexuals were expelled from the ranks of the party, they were tried, confiscated illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared their foreheads with green stuff and put them against the wall in order to remove them from society, today they are protected, parades are arranged for them, real terms are replaced by conditional , or are completely limited to fines, and the ruling "elite" by any means tries to justify this by tolerance and tolerance. Article minus.

        I, too, Dmitry is indignant, all this next wave of dirt and slop poured by some on the past of the USSR!
        Dulles’s plan works and is very tricky now .. And the name of Stalin, if you pronounce, then generally their epilepsy starts to beat and foam from the mouth .. negative
        They are afraid of the restoration of the Soviet system .. Many will have to answer, and not like now, with a subscription about not leaving and a conditional term ..
        Treason of the Motherland was punished cruelly in the USSR and at this level theft in a particularly large size SHOT! Here they are what they are afraid of and are shaking ..!
        Wake up Ilyich or who instead of you (just not Zyuganov) .. Bourgeois completely insolent !!!
      2. -5
        17 May 2020 14: 06
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the party, judged, confiscated the illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared his forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society

        And for some reason they did not decrease!
        1. +1
          17 May 2020 14: 08
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the party, judged, confiscated the illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared his forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society

          And for some reason they did not decrease!

          Only two were overlooked - Gorbachev and Yeltsin. After that, the whole world went into a stage of chaos and an endless mess.
          1. -2
            17 May 2020 14: 27
            But what about? But they forgot about Khrushchev, huh? There were a lot of articles about him that he was a Trotskyist and, in general, a byak. Not good!
            1. +3
              17 May 2020 14: 33
              Quote: kalibr
              But what about? But they forgot about Khrushchev, huh? There were a lot of articles about him that he was a Trotskyist and, in general, a byak. Not good!

              This raccoon of its aspen also deserves, but we must admit that the world in a mess and chaos plunged two pretzels Marked and Kultyapy pushing the USSR to collapse, after which there was nothing left that could act as a counterweight to the United States.
              1. -3
                17 May 2020 15: 01
                Around only raccoons ... "made their way and break up"!
              2. 0
                17 May 2020 17: 40
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                two pretzels Tagged and Stumpy pushed the USSR into collapse and chaos, pushing the USSR to collapse, after which there was nothing left that could act as a counterweight to the United States.
                By your desire to fence off the CPSU, which lifted up all the slag, which gradually decomposed and handed over the country to the enemy, to write off all the two scapegoats, you expose the USSR in a much more miserable and unsightly form than it deserves. Can you imagine two Chinese or Americans who would be at the top of power and could destroy China or the United States today, respectively? I can’t imagine it even in Estonia. Enough of this lie about the two traitors to drive.
                1. +5
                  17 May 2020 18: 01
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Enough of this lie about the two traitors to drive.

                  With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!
                  1. +5
                    17 May 2020 18: 17
                    Quote: kalibr
                    With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!
                    I would rather call them "gravediggers". Instead of criticism, allowing to identify strengths and weaknesses, they say "only good", brown, mourners are released ... Not the Communist Party, but the funeral home
                  2. +3
                    17 May 2020 19: 07
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Enough of this lie about the two traitors to drive.

                    With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!

                    With such "historians" indiscriminately blaming the past, Russia will have a vague future.
                    1. +2
                      17 May 2020 21: 19
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      sweeping past

                      I offered the defenders of this past and the address of the archive and the No. of affairs for verification ... refuse, Why would it? So pathetically they write - like you, but how it comes to a specific case, a bummer ...
                      1. +3
                        17 May 2020 22: 44
                        Quote: kalibr
                        I offered the defenders of this past and the address of the archive and the No. of affairs for verification ... refuse, Why would it?

                        Hmm. Vyacheslav, archives can be used in different ways. For some, the archive is the foundation on which statehood and morality are based with all its achievements and vices, which together form the STATE and the NATION. Recently, however, there are more and more of those for whom admission to the archive is just an opportunity to pull out the "brick" from the foundation in order to weaken the NATION by introducing an ideological split into it, and as a result weaken the STATE. Our neighbors, who voluntarily and on their own initiative have lost the status of a brotherly people, are now in a state of "shortcomings", to your delight they are demolishing monuments to Ilyich, pulling out Zhukov's bas-reliefs with meat, crushing monuments to Vatutin and Tolbukhin, Suvorov and Pushkin (why did they not please?), ripping off orders from veterans, renaming avenues and streets into Bandera and Shukhevych, they also do not like the USSR and are actively decommunized for the possibility of visa-free travel and lace trousers. You can understand them, because they do not have "their own" history, since it is an integral part of the history of Russia and they are actively trying to form it by means of substitution, only it turns out badly. But what I can't understand, what are you up for, pulling out individual vicious episodes and trying to stretch these episodes over the entire history of the Soviet past? I am absolutely sure that visa-free travel and lace panties are not your dream. I understand that perhaps there is some kind of "family-family" resentment against the Soviets, but those Soviets have not been there for almost 30 years, and those who lived under the Soviets are still alive and have the opportunity to honestly and impartially compare their "kgovy pgoshloe" with "serene pink real". The bottom line is that the data you provide are not your discovery revealing the vices of the "scoop" !!! Nobody made a secret of this !!! They opened, condemned and punished, which is confirmed by archival documents !!! So the "defender of the past" will come to the archive at your call and will see the same thing - the fund, the case number, the inventory, the document number, the content, the page - will get acquainted and draw a conclusion - "They identified and eradicated, therefore the system was self-sufficient and aimed at cleansing your ranks and society! ", and you made a conclusion on a separate episode -" And yet there were homosexuals, and therefore the entire Soviet system was vicious! " Everything is like Omar Khayyam
                        "Two people looked through one window,
                        One saw rain and mud
                        Other foliage is green ligature, Spring and the sky is blue ...
                        Two archives were looking at one thing ...
                      2. +2
                        18 May 2020 12: 02
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        lately there are more and more of those for whom admission to the archive is just an opportunity to pull out a "brick" from the foundation in order to weaken the NATION by introducing an ideological split into it, and as a result weaken the STATE.
                        They are Putin's followers, right? Partially - these are young people who have not personally seen that life, but perceive it according to the stories of their parents about the lost paradise, heard against the backdrop of the chaos and disasters of the 90s. There are also traitors for whom the myth of the "paradise booths of the land of the Soviets" is not an object of faith and dreams, but a means of shaking the current government in a crisis situation in order to snatch their piece when the country collapses; There are bots that use the training manual for Soros's money, not understanding where and why they are paid. Is there a "split" with them? You don't have to make fun of them at all.
                    2. +2
                      18 May 2020 11: 30
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      With such "historians" indiscriminately blaming the past
                      I have not presented myself as a historian anywhere, Vyacheslav was not noticed in indiscriminate groaning, rather, on the contrary, in his articles about the USSR there are often warm nostalgic notes. If only the violation of the principle "either good or in any way" is called "indiscriminate lamentation" ...
                      1. +1
                        18 May 2020 21: 08
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        With such "historians" indiscriminately blaming the past, Russia will have a vague future.

                        Quote: sniperino
                        I’ve never presented myself as a historian,

                        stop So this was not addressed to you ...
                  3. +2
                    17 May 2020 20: 35
                    Quote: kalibr
                    With such defenders, the Land of Soviets and enemies is not necessary!

                    That's for sure. Kakat on the same field with you I would beware.
                2. +1
                  17 May 2020 19: 05
                  Quote: sniperino
                  By your desire to fence off the CPSU, which lifted up all the slag that gradually decomposed and turned the country over to the enemy, to write off all the scapegoats, you expose the USSR in a much more miserable and unsightly form than it deserves.

                  Yes, sir. Where in my commentary did you find what I'm trying to shield the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? There is not a single word about the CPSU in it. But if you mentioned it and the "two scapegoats", then it would be no sin to remind you that it was during Gorbachev's existence and perestroika that in October 1988 the Central Committee of the CPSU issued a decree prohibiting Party organizations of any level from interfering in economic issues. In December 1988, amendments were made to the Constitution concerning elections, thanks to which representatives of the "democratic" direction were drawn. AT March 1990, the provision on the leading and guiding role of the CPSU was removed from the Constitution, and Gorbaty became president - that is, the chief combatant, whom the CPSU, according to the Constitution, could no longer interfere. After the signing of the Belovezhsky agreement, Boriska first phoned Bush with a report that the USSR no longer existed. Who, no matter how Yeltsin announced the independence of Russia and gave rise to the parade of sovereignty? - and soon from the rostrum of the US Congress he called on God to "Save America". Who, no matter how these two raccoons, purposefully led the country to collapse? If this is not so, then correct it.
                  1. -1
                    17 May 2020 19: 10
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    But if you mentioned it and the "two scapegoats", then it would be no sin to remind you that it was during Gorbachev's existence and perestroika that in October 1988 the Central Committee of the CPSU issued a decree prohibiting Party organizations of any level from interfering in economic issues.
                    The other party members in the Central Committee met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope? Or were not in the know ...
                    1. -2
                      17 May 2020 19: 15
                      This "trump card" is marked to holes, reveal something fresher
                      Quote: sniperino
                      The other party members met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope?
                      1. +2
                        17 May 2020 19: 17
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        This "trump card" is marked to holes, reveal something fresher
                        Sorry, I don’t sit down on cards, also with such ... experienced players.
                      2. +1
                        17 May 2020 20: 08
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Sorry, I don’t sit down on cards, also with such ... experienced players.

                        hi
                    2. 0
                      17 May 2020 20: 48
                      Quote: sniperino
                      The other party members in the Central Committee met this and other changes with loud applause, turning into a storm of applause, I hope? Or were not in the know ...

                      Have you completely lost your memory?
                      1. +1
                        18 May 2020 09: 30
                        [quote = Mordvin 3] [quote = sniperino] The rest of the party members in the Central Committee greeted this and other changes with loud applause, turning into stormy applause, I hope? Or weren't aware ... [/ quote] And your memory has completely lost it? No, it didn't. But this is not the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1988, which was discussed, but the Congress of the USSR Armed Forces in 1989. And your attempt to stick a hunchback to the wall comes from a special cunning or from a hangover? Did anyone write that there was not a single honest communist in the country? Have you found one brave and honest woman, at whom the deputies shouted and hissed, trying to shut her up, intimidate, and want to present this disgrace as evidence of democracy, refuting my "slander" against the CPSU? Do not disgrace yourself.
                      2. -1
                        18 May 2020 09: 35
                        Quote: sniperino
                        And your attempt to stick a humpback to the wall comes from a special trick or from a hangover?

                        This is where I sculpt humpbacked? Can still remember Sakharov?
                      3. +2
                        18 May 2020 09: 37
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        This is where I sculpt humpbacked? Can still remember Sakharov
                        He was a member of the Central Committee? Keep sculpting
                      4. -2
                        18 May 2020 15: 23
                        Quote: sniperino
                        He was a member of the Central Committee?

                        He was a deputy. What am I sculpting? Are you overeating bleached?
                      5. +1
                        18 May 2020 15: 33
                        Aw! You flew far away
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU prohibiting party organizations of any level from interfering in economic issues
                        It went from here, it is about the CPSU and its Central Committee. You started smuggling the Armed Forces of the USSR here, even Sakharov was dragged ... I don’t know if this is bleached, or something else.
                      6. 0
                        18 May 2020 15: 36
                        Quote: sniperino
                        It went from here, it is about the CPSU and its Central Committee.

                        And what about the Central Committee? Do you know how Romanov was denied access to power?
                      7. +2
                        18 May 2020 17: 00
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Do you know how Romanov was denied access to power?
                        You can at least talk about how Gorbachev and Yeltsin were allowed. I am not interested in their intrigues at all, but this is definitely not the Soviet regime in its initial projects. The discussion has lost the nerve, or you want to sweep it under the table with some single "exploits".
            2. -2
              17 May 2020 16: 13
              Quote: kalibr
              But what about? But they forgot about Khrushchev, huh? There were a lot of articles about him that he was a Trotskyist and, in general, a byak. Not good!

              Khrushchev ran in an embroidered shirt .. Stalin extinguished, freed Bandera, donated Crimea and then actually planted a bomb under the USSR economy ...
        2. +1
          17 May 2020 14: 24
          so you are one of them.
          1. -1
            17 May 2020 17: 59
            Quote: Seeker
            so you are one of them.

            I AM ? It was you who suddenly appeared from the bowels of the VO ..)))
      3. +4
        17 May 2020 21: 39
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Only then were the party werewolves, thieves and buggers expelled from the ranks of the party, tried, confiscated illegally acquired, and in some cases they smeared their forehead with green paint and put it on the wall in order to remove them from society,

        I’ll just remind you that EACH subsequent Secretary General announced associates previous crooks and spies ......
        All without exception Lenin’s comrades-in-arms turned out to be enemies of the people, Stalin himself turned out to be the enemy, Khrushchev turned out to be a voluntarist, Brezhnev a conqueror (the only one whose comrades were not shot and planted was not particularly shocked). Moreover, ALWAYS this turned out to be suddenly- yesterday, they were still quite decent for the People’s Commissar-and today they are already a spy and shot .... werewolves, what’s there ..... completely, that's what’s strange ....
        Where did the party look? or 16 million have not seen - what's going on upstairs?
        1. +3
          18 May 2020 10: 41
          Quote: your1970
          Where did the party look? or 16 million have not seen - what's going on upstairs?
          They saw everything, understood everything, and therefore there was a negative selection for the party power: those who saw and understood that some abominations were happening, but found the courage to openly tell their party comrades about it, did not rise higher. Upstairs those who saw it, but found in themselves "strength and talent" to expressively shout how everything is fine with us and to thank the superior secretary for everything personally. And the party authorities have already issued a pass to the state administration. So they shouted. The rest is a consequence. And the myth-makers continue to shout.
  3. +8
    17 May 2020 05: 42
    Any revolution is not only violence, but also the creation of a myth about a new life - for this myth, a new human type must be created. As Marx subtly noted, it is necessary to free oneself from the dung of centuries, that is, mutate a person, change his mind.
    Therefore, I had to work with such human "material", some of which did not want to get rid of this very manure of centuries, and the other part continued to consider itself the image of God
    And whether the person had a party ticket, or did not, does not matter much.
    1. -14
      17 May 2020 06: 50
      Quote: bober1982
      . As Marx subtly noted, it is necessary to free oneself from the dung of centuries, that is, mutate a person, change his consciousness.

      there is also a more subtle observation - it is required to free himself of the manure of Marx and K and the "imperfect" human material will appear as normal ordinary people
      1. -1
        17 May 2020 06: 56
        Quote: Olgovich
        there is also a more subtle observation - it is required to free himself of the manure of Marx and K and the "imperfect" human material will appear as normal ordinary people

        Unfortunately, this is just a fantasy, two world wars destroyed the former humanity and the old order.
      2. +22
        17 May 2020 07: 06
        Before Marx, "normal" humanity did not know the theft of betrayal and fagots?
        1. -8
          17 May 2020 08: 14
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Before Marx, "normal" humanity did not know the theft of betrayal and fagots?

          knew.

          And?
          1. +9
            17 May 2020 08: 48
            AND? You propose to remove Marx and K, and all will be right now
            1. -11
              17 May 2020 09: 59
              Quote: Tlauicol
              AND? You propose to remove Marx and K, and all will be right now

              the presence of Marx and K did not save society from
              Quote: Tlauicol
              larceny of betrayal and fag


              Moreover, there are more Yes
        2. -1
          17 May 2020 16: 18
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Before Marx, "normal" humanity did not know the theft of betrayal and fagots?

          So you wrote .. I'm still in stupar and thinking ..
          They spoke out quite well! hi
          Damn it, a thousand devils! Are you right Ivan))))))
      3. +4
        17 May 2020 07: 17
        People at all times have been and remain different, with different characters and desires. But then, along with this, there was also a society with a common understanding of good and bad. And it had a great influence on the behavior of the individual. And now there is a bunch of personalities with their own vision of morality and permissiveness, but there is absolutely no society that would serve as a kind of limiter and guide for each individual.
        And even worse, that values ​​are replaced exclusively by momentary and material wealth
    2. -3
      17 May 2020 18: 04
      Quote: bober1982
      Therefore, I had to work with such human "material", some of which did not want to get rid of this very manure of centuries, and the other part continued to consider itself the image of God
      And whether the person had a party ticket, or did not, does not matter much.

      Then you look here appeared from the bowels of the site and began to teach us the theory of Marxism-Leninism .. Well, like where are you talking about the State Department and Caitism))))
    3. +3
      17 May 2020 18: 40
      Quote: bober1982
      Any revolution is not only violence, but also the creation of a myth about a new life - for this myth it is necessary to create a new human type.
      Myth for type, or type for myth? We need to figure it out, otherwise a myth was created, but the type did not exist and is not, although according to official documents it was listed as a new type of community "Soviet people".
      1. 0
        17 May 2020 20: 19
        Quote: sniperino
        Myth for type, or type for myth?

        Of course, for starters, a myth is created, as an example - the French Revolution, with its delusional slogan Freedom equality Brotherhoodwhich is impossible with any world order. And those who threw this absurd slogan to the excited masses understood this well.
        But in order to support people in such an excited state, they need to change people's minds - introduce a new calendar, appoint new gods, destroy all previous traditions, identify entire groups of people for destruction, etc.
  4. +9
    17 May 2020 06: 14
    The author, as always, demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of that time and those people, trying to squeeze their understanding of life, their vision of the present in which they lived in the distorted proskurov bed of today's reality, today's "concepts", today's interpretations of the concepts of "conscience and honor", patrotism and heroism ... Why is he doing this? Unclear. But dances on bones always and at all times look not quite decent.
    1. -12
      17 May 2020 06: 28
      Quote: LeonidL
      The author, as always, demonstrates
      authentic historical documents that 99% of VO readers would otherwise never reach. It is necessary to judge the history "understanding that time", as you put it, knowing it from all sides, and not one-sidedly, as earlier knowledge about it was imposed and without fortune-telling - it was, it was not ... If you cannot figure it out, it's sad ... You don't understand the elementary things. But you broadcast with such aplomb. Although I usually explain everything in an accessible way.
      1. +8
        17 May 2020 09: 23
        Forced to step on his throat. and tear someone else’s proposal into components.
        Only the ambiguity of this sentence excuses me.
        Quote: kalibr
        Judging the story ... you need ... not one-sided, as before

        I agree completely.
        The science of "history" appeared with just such a purpose. Consistency, complexity, the scale of the material ... balance according to assessment criteria, criteria for assessing quality or result ...
        Here, one has only to start, and "as before" will move back centuries or, depending on the "age of the people", for millennia.

        Quote: kalibr
        the knowledge about him was imposed

        Who imposed what to whom?
        Now, for example, the idea is being imposed that the USSR had invented "backward Russia".
        There are also scoundrels who came up with the idea that their grandfathers (they themselves think that not their own people, but their neighbors) were sadists and cannibals ... How else to explain the GULAGs and the success of the "construction projects of communism"?
        Somewhat earlier they thought that Prince Rurik came and organized the state ... one could say from scratch ...

        In reality, this should not be about imposing, but about scientific information.
        But you can only inform someone who is interested and who is able to perceive ... That is, who at least has mastered the school curriculum, and not only in history.
        That's what on Topvar, mostly retirees lead discussions - a good education allows. And they, that is, us, cannot impose something alien. Everyone chose a life path, walked a long road along it, gained experience, and draws conclusions that depend mainly on the groups in which he worked or served.
        Someone is lucky, someone is not very ...
      2. +6
        17 May 2020 09: 50
        Quote: kalibr
        genuine historical documents

        Shpakovsky, you only genuine abominations are much to be pulled out, as for our glorious Soviet period.

        After all look at all your articles. You do not write anything good about the USSR, as if this was not at all. The method that you have chosen is akin to spitting in a well. With clean water, by the way!
        1. -1
          7 June 2020 18: 48
          But the truth is that something good is in the USSR and I do not remember
      3. +1
        17 May 2020 10: 22
        Quote: kalibr
        Although I usually explain everything in an accessible way.

        No, Shpakovsky, you do not explain, you fantasize, and often just lie.
        Read my post at the end of the thread.
        1. -5
          17 May 2020 13: 59
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          just lying.

          And you prove it! And not empty words, but documents in hand ... With documents!
          1. +5
            17 May 2020 14: 23
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            just lying.

            And you prove it! And not empty words, but documents in hand ... With documents!

            And I brought you a document - the authority of the OS.
            1. -6
              17 May 2020 14: 59
              This is not a document. The document is what I have. And if it contains errors, then you must admit it is very significant. In particular, he speaks of a superficial attitude towards the preparation of a discussion of the issue. And I wrote to you how to check it all. Archive address: Penza, st. Volodarsky, 12A OFOPO GAPO. You follow the link, request the specified document - the pages are indicated by me and you receive a photocopy. That's all! If you are already such a fighter for the idea, then pay 10 p. per page is it expensive?
              1. +4
                17 May 2020 16: 07
                Quote: kalibr
                If you are already such a fighter for the idea, then pay 10 p. per page is it expensive?

                To prove something to you, I won’t even spend a ruble on the futility of spending. Because it’s not really important to you, but the justification of your betrayal of a story that you supposedly serve.
                1. +4
                  17 May 2020 16: 16
                  Well, do not prove, it is your right. As they say, it would be suggested ...
      4. 0
        17 May 2020 18: 07
        Quote: kalibr
        genuine historical documents to which 99% of VO readers would never have reached for ages.

        We have lived our lives in the USSR and put your archives docks to hell .. You’ll get all the dirt out of the archives of the district and regional committees .. But in the real archives of the country you are not allowed to do such things and they’re doing the right thing !!! soldier fool
        1. -1
          17 May 2020 21: 24
          Quote: Tutahamon
          The country's archives do not allow you to do such things and do it right

          "Do not judge rashly, says the Gospel and Mr. Cardinal!"
          1. Fat
            0
            18 May 2020 22: 52
            Oh yeah ... Haberdashery and cardinal is power ... No offense, but from the song ...
        2. +1
          18 May 2020 09: 16
          Quote: Tutahamon
          We lived life in the USSR
          - ALL power in the USSR belonged to the district committee and regional committee.
          Quote: Tutahamon
          You pull out all the dirt from the archives of the district and regional committees.
          - i.e. dirt accumulated in the archives current on that moment AUTHORITIES you see you do not want?
          Quote: Tutahamon

          But in the real archives of the country you are not allowed such people and are being correctly done !!! soldier fool
          if in the archives of district and regional committees of the CPSU - such dirt, then in these archives then that?!

          Z.Y. 1980, in our district 2, the secretary of the district committee, being drunk to feces, crushed 2 small children, his mother went crazy, her father wrote to all authorities ... They put me in prison?
          The matter ended with the killer being transferred to another district as head of the district committee sector ...
          Sound familiar?
          1. 0
            18 May 2020 11: 22
            Quote: your1970
            The matter ended with the killer being transferred to another district as head of the district committee sector ...
            Sound familiar?

            Mara Baghdasaryan recalls - she generally puts on the current government, although she does it worse than any second secretary of the district committee could afford.
            1. Fat
              0
              18 May 2020 23: 00
              I can not argue. I just know that the first secretaries allowed themselves. Mara cries
            2. -1
              19 May 2020 08: 12
              Silly comparison, very much! How to compare a vegetable vegetable with a finger. Then and now there are two big differences. Then - the state for the good of the people, "our party is at the helm", "the people and the party are united" and so on. Now the "anti-people regime". You can't compare! Clear?
      5. +1
        18 May 2020 03: 22
        You select genuine historical documents in accordance with your preferences and tastes, and comment accordingly.
        I began to live in Stalin's time in a house warped by fragments of shells and bombs. I listened to the conversations and conversations of people restoring mines in Donbass and enterprises in Kharkov, creating a tank city in Nizhny Tagil, winding in medical evacuation trains and flying from the fronts to Yaroslavl (which was also bombed) and back. Those who lost their legs and arms from Brest to Stalingrad and from Stalingrad to Berlin. Nobody imposed knowledge then, do not deceive the people, then people made history daily and hourly. And they read newspapers and what was printed there in most cases corresponded to their standard course, attitude. sad what you do. Do not arrogate to yourself a kind of know-it-all, professor, know-it-all against the background of "elementary not understanding you" cattle. Most likely, your basic vision of the world and the past is rather poor. it is most likely in you, not in us. What aplomb did you find in five lines? Where from? Usually you can explain in an accessible way, but your explanations are incorrect ... although they are available to you.
        1. Fat
          0
          18 May 2020 23: 38
          A lot of pathos, a lot of resentment. Father Stalingrad never passed
          Bukhtel. And you, God forgive me, are looking for bad words ... Cho, have you found ??? Do not be angry in vain, comrade. ..
        2. +2
          19 May 2020 12: 10
          Quote: LeonidL
          Most likely your elementary vision of the world and the past is rather wretched.

          Do not attribute "high matters" to him - Shpakovsky is a typical representative of that Soviet minority from the past, which is popularly called two-faced or chameleons. These have always been in our history, and this one is just too squeaky, although I'm sure he wouldn't write anything at all if he wasn't paid for it. His commercialism in Runet may even go into the proverb - "greedy for money like Shpakovsky."
  5. +21
    17 May 2020 06: 27
    Excluded from the ranks of the CPSU for moral degradation, expressed in the occupation of sodomy. On April 25, 1963, a regional court sentenced him to 3 years and 6 months in prison. The decision of the lower party organization OK CPSU approved.

    Few people know, but following the famous decrees of Lenin “On Peace” and “On Earth”, which marked the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917, at the insistence of Trotsky, Lenin’s decrees “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of punishment for homosexuality” (the last - as part of the decree “On civil marriage, on children and on incorporation into acts of civil status”). They were signed by Lenin on December 19, 1917. In the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1922 and 1926 homosexuality was not mentioned ... The doctors and lawyers of the RSFSR were at first very proud of the progressiveness of their legislation. At the Copenhagen Congress of Sexual Reforms (1928), it was even set as an example to other countries.
    Stalin, the future leader and builder of the USSR, was well aware that, along with the socialist revolution in Russia, a sexual revolution had also taken place. He also understood that it was not dangerous in itself. Sodomy is dangerous, first of all, by its organization and mutual support - this is the minority that, thanks to its cohesion, wants to establish power and dictatorship over the majority. That is why Stalin made considerable efforts to return the criminal punishment for sodomy (homosexuality) and try to uproot this phenomenon from a socialist society. However, he was prevented by an influential homosexual lobby.
    He helped Stalin to return criminal responsibility for homosexual relations, only a case. In 1933, in Moscow and Leningrad, the organs of the OGPU disclosed "an association of homosexual communists." Deputy Chairman of the OGPU Genrikh Yagoda linked the existence of homosexual communities to counter-revolution, espionage and an attempt to usurp power in the republic.
    In his memorandum to Stalin in the fall of 1933, he wrote about the arrest of members of groups who were engaged in "creating a network of salons, outbreaks, dens, groups and other organized groups of homosexuals with the further transformation of these associations into direct cells of influence, and pushing their adherents into power APRF. F. 45. On. 1. D. 780. L. 14. Typewriting.».

    In a December 1933 letter to Stalin, Yagoda wrote: “Homosexuals recruited and corrupted perfectly healthy youth, Red Army men, Red Navy men and individual university students. We do not have a law under which they could be prosecuted. I would consider it necessary to issue an appropriate law on criminal liability for pederasty. ” PRF. F. 45. On. 1. D. 797. A typewriter with corrections of the author. .

    And already on March 7, 1934, a law came into force according to which sodomy is qualified as a criminal offense in all the republics of the USSR. The sentence is 5 years. If violence is used or there is a proven connection with minors - 8 years. For some reason, women were not prosecuted under this legislation.
    One of the first people arrested was a prominent diplomat of that time, one of Chicherin’s associates, the head of the protocol part of the People’s Commissariat for Foreign Affairs, and, at the same time, the head of the sub-department of the Scandinavian countries, Dmitry Timofeevich Florinsky. During the investigation, he submitted an application to the board of the OGPU, in which he admitted to working as a paid German spy, being recruited by the secretary of the German embassy in Stockholm. At the first stage of the fight against the conspirators, at least 130 people were detained, and most of the rest of those arrested in the case were by no means simple factory workers - there were many party clerks, workers of the People’s Commissariats, military men, journalists, writers and artists among the city’s homosexuals.
    It is hard to say how true the Berry thesis was. However, it is worth recalling that the beginning of the XNUMXth century - the time of "decoding" and the "silver age" - became the time of various sexual perversions, which sharply became fashionable. Including pederasty. And as the practice of special services shows, often it’s through the “blue passion” that agents are recruited, diplomats are blackmailed ...
    1. -16
      17 May 2020 06: 48
      All the same - to pursue a person along the line of sexual predilections is somehow leftist. Pedophiles - yes, rapists, exhibitionists .. but "rear wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to occupy posts in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.
      1. +10
        17 May 2020 06: 52
        Quote: Krasnodar
        "rear wheel drive"

        Good morning! Alan Turing? Initiate of Britain.
        1. -6
          17 May 2020 06: 56
          Greetings! hi Quite right - the founder of computer science, who contributed to the victory over Nazism, among other things, by participating in the hacking of Enigma. The Britons wanted to plant him for rear-wheel drive, as a result, they conducted him an anti-hormonal treatment lowering testosterone. Well, not insanity?
          1. +7
            17 May 2020 07: 01
            So this is insanity now! And from the point of view of the then law? And not only in Britain, but not only in the USSR.
            1. -12
              17 May 2020 07: 04
              Insanity in principle. 12% of the population is born with such inclinations. To rot them for it?
              1. +14
                17 May 2020 07: 09
                In my opinion, the problem is not in them. And in the promotion of their lifestyle. But this is already slightly beyond! Too aggressive!
                1. -2
                  17 May 2020 07: 11
                  As for propaganda and geyparadov - I agree. They are no different from others and masquerade processions that advertise sexual addictions are unacceptable.
                  1. +9
                    17 May 2020 07: 26
                    In principle, Albert, there is a good life wisdom formulated by one of the great:
                    * My freedom ends where the freedom of another begins. * It is of course close to the original. hi But who said that, alas! I don’t remember.
                    1. -2
                      17 May 2020 07: 42
                      Yes, there is no ... confrontation between gays and straight people. Nobody oppresses anyone - the gameparades are an attempt by these people to prove to others, but actually to themselves, that rear-wheel drive is normal. For me, this exists, and while it exists in someone’s bedroom, it doesn’t bother me from the word in any way.
                      1. +3
                        17 May 2020 07: 44
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        For me, this exists, and while it exists in someone’s bedroom, it doesn’t bother me from the word in any way.

                        Here! I agree! good
                      2. +3
                        17 May 2020 10: 28
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        rear-wheel drive is normal. For me, this exists, and as long as it exists in someone’s bedroom, it doesn’t bother me from the word.

                        Even if someone proposes to push your buttocks using your official position, to your son?
                      3. +1
                        17 May 2020 10: 52
                        Will it be easier for you if your wife or daughter receives such an offer from the boss of the straight?
                      4. +3
                        17 May 2020 11: 06
                        Quote: Liam
                        Will it be easier for you if your wife or daughter receives such an offer from the boss of the straight?

                        Are you a switchman?
                      5. 0
                        17 May 2020 11: 17
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Quote: Liam
                        Will it be easier for you if your wife or daughter receives such an offer from the boss of the straight?

                        Are you a switchman?

                        Are you a fan of asking "uncomfortable" questions to others but not answering them?)
                        I just showed that your question is stupid and there is no difference in the orientation of the bosses in this case for normal people. It’s equally disgusting and they should be planted
                      6. -5
                        17 May 2020 17: 02
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                        Even if someone proposes to push your buttocks using your official position, to your son?

                        If you are offered to do this in a pre-trial detention center? )) Your daughter or niece for, say, the last iPhone? There are many options for sexual harassment, the chance to run into gays is not the highest
                      7. +1
                        7 June 2020 18: 55
                        Well, such a turn is called rape, or coercion using official position, a very serious article
                      8. +1
                        17 May 2020 12: 33
                        And you know, dear Albert, I searched. And I found the author of this phrase! Mikhail A. Bakunin! hi
                      9. +1
                        17 May 2020 17: 05
                        Anarchist)). Interesting personality - Marx, by the way, did not like laughing
                      10. -3
                        17 May 2020 17: 16
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Anarchist)). Interesting personality - Marx, by the way, did not like

                        And why is he an interesting person? wassat
                      11. +2
                        17 May 2020 17: 28
                        Read who it is .. laughing The founder of anarchism, who did not like Marx - you are not interested, for what?
                      12. -2
                        17 May 2020 17: 37
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Read who it is .. laughing The founder of anarchism, who did not like Marx - you are not interested, for what?

                        Yes, I read Bakunin, I read. But the PERSONALITY he is interesting not because Marx did not like. And you, walking, narrowed the scale of his personality, to the dislike of Marx. fool
                      13. +1
                        17 May 2020 20: 50
                        And why, in your opinion? Just wondering...))
      2. +1
        17 May 2020 07: 05
        Quote: Krasnodar
        All the same - to pursue a person along the line of sexual predilections is somehow leftist. Pedophiles - yes, rapists, exhibitionists .. but "rear wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to occupy posts in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.

        bugger?
        1. +7
          17 May 2020 07: 07
          Quote: Bar1
          bugger?

          The keeper of the bond?
        2. -1
          17 May 2020 07: 13
          Quote: Bar1

          bugger?

          Straight, if that interests you so much lol
          1. +4
            17 May 2020 07: 19
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Straight, if that interests you so much


            not attracted but sympathetic?
            1. +7
              17 May 2020 07: 39
              Quote: Bar1
              not attracted but sympathetic?

              Further quite a classic!
              -Location?
              -Where is your parachute?
              - Where's the radio ???? laughing
            2. 0
              17 May 2020 07: 45
              Quote: Bar1


              not attracted but sympathetic?

              If you are gay, then this is your personal matter. hi If not, why are you so interested in my personality in this context? lol
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                1. +3
                  17 May 2020 08: 36
                  Love yourself for who you are hi
            3. -4
              17 May 2020 07: 58
              Timur, you will continue in the same vein - you are guaranteed a ban!
              1. +8
                17 May 2020 08: 27
                Quote: kalibr
                Timur, you will continue in the same vein - you are guaranteed a ban!

                and in what spirit should I continue? You immediately show and where to discuss for political correctness, this will be freedom of speech under capitalism.
        3. -4
          17 May 2020 08: 29
          Quote: Bar1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          All the same - to pursue a person along the line of sexual predilections is somehow leftist. Pedophiles - yes, rapists, exhibitionists .. but "rear wheel drive" laughing Could not be accepted into the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to occupy posts in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for it is complete insanity.

          bugger?

          what purpose are you interested in? wink
          Quote: Bar1
          bugger?
          1. -5
            17 May 2020 08: 41
            He is a lonely soul, looking for a rainbow in the dark feel
            Greetings, land! hi
            1. -7
              17 May 2020 10: 02
              Quote: Krasnodar
              П

              Shalom! hi

              Quote: Krasnodar
              He is a lonely soul, looking for a rainbow in the dark


              Let be. But not ..... IN! : belay request
              1. +4
                17 May 2020 17: 07
                Maybe a man likes men in uniform))
      3. +3
        17 May 2020 07: 13
        Is it by chance that you are not transmitting for non-traditional on STS? sad angry
        1. +11
          17 May 2020 07: 31
          Well, what? Is there such a program? And did it attract your attention? laughing
          * Stirlitz has never been so close to failure. *.
        2. -2
          17 May 2020 07: 46
          Quote: Balu
          Is it by chance that you are not transmitting for non-traditional on STS? sad angry

          This is a question for anyone, excuse me? )))
          1. +9
            17 May 2020 07: 48
            Yes to you, Albert, to you! Again, in the classics!
            -A question from a caring one! laughing laughing laughing
            1. -4
              17 May 2020 07: 55
              I believe that ostentatious homophobia is inherent in two categories of men - latent homosexuals living in a society where this is unacceptable and real / former prisoners, for whom gays are one of the castes of the prison society. Judge for yourself - for a normal bachelor, backwires create less competition in the hunt for girls, gay parades float for a family man, but we live in a country in which they are prohibited ... So, as psychoanalysts say, “check, deep in your soul, where is the source of this phobia "? laughing
              1. +8
                17 May 2020 08: 05
                Well then IT!
                * There are two types of ostriches. Gray and blue. Gray, as usual, cover their heads in the ground, and blue, because of the shelter, just wait for this. * laughing
                1. -1
                  17 May 2020 08: 08
                  laughing ... Chamomile in his face ... leave the nasty, Homeland is in danger!
                  There is a couple of gays, towards the guy with the girl who are in the last month of pregnancy. Gay partner: see what mixed marriages lead to!
                  1. +9
                    17 May 2020 08: 13
                    * A man comes to the doctor.
                    - Doctor, it seems I'm * blue *. Is there any medicine?
                    - No question, dear! He writes a recipe, gives it to the peasant.
                    After a couple of days, the man again at the reception.
                    "Doctor, what did you write to me? I haven’t gotten off the toilet for three days?"
                    - Now you know what your ass is for! *
                    1. +3
                      17 May 2020 08: 18
                      I heard it differently:
                      Comes to a gay doctor.
                      - Save, I have AIDS!
                      - So sho you are so worried ... there is a cure
                      - What ??
                      - A folk remedy that recently passed successful trials at Stanford. Throw herring in milk, put the jar on the windowsill, in the sun, wait three days, then eat and drink the contents.
                      - Thank you Doctor!
                      Runs away, the Nurse approaches him:
                      - And what was that ??
                      - I want to show him why a normal man needs an ass
                      1. +5
                        17 May 2020 08: 57
                        So it’s almost not an anecdote, but a real case quite often all kinds of singers and so on came to Moscow, about whom I definitely can’t say, maybe it was Macartney, in short every morning they brought him orange juice and milk, someone decided to try this cocktail, spent a day on the pot, his words were: how he can not understand why his ass.
                      2. +1
                        17 May 2020 08: 59
                        Rather, Elton John laughing
                      3. +6
                        17 May 2020 09: 02
                        Well, in our opinion. A woman comes to the doctor, complains that she is stabbing in her side. He examined her, asking her to call her husband. The doctor saw him ... so you only have horses, not a wife. The horse’s doctor is dead, and she only stabs in her side. laughing
                      4. +2
                        17 May 2020 09: 03
                        Well horror ... but not Horror, Horror, Horror laughing
                    2. +9
                      17 May 2020 12: 35
                      Hello Seryoga! fellow
                      I was late today for your get-together, but ... "I can't leave without saying goodbye ..." smile

                      In principle, also about the ass. drinks
                      1. +5
                        17 May 2020 12: 42
                        Good day, Konstantin! A credible caricature! laughing
              2. +5
                17 May 2020 10: 18
                In his memorandum to Stalin in the fall of 1933, he wrote about the arrest of members of groups who were engaged in "creating a network of salons, centers, dens, groups and other organized groups of homosexuals with the further transformation of these associations into direct cells of influence, and pushing their adherents into power." ..

                The USSR was not alone in this attitude towards homosexuality. The same point of view was supported in Hitlerite Germany. In the SA, since 1934, a special department of the Gestapo was created, which was engaged in identifying homosexuals and compiling their lists. Two years later, in 1936, Heinrich Himmler, chief of the SS, created the whole "Central Imperial Bureau for the Fight against Homosexuality." At least 100 German homosexuals were arrested and sent to concentration camps. In addition, hundreds of gays in occupied European countries have been forcibly castrated by court verdicts. It is well known that every prisoner was obliged to wear a special identification mark - "vinkil" on his clothes, which made it clear on what basis he got to the camp. For gay people, it was a pink triangle.

                PS.A well-known blooper in the film epic "Liberation", when Dorozhkin and Guslik liberate prisoners at the station. And one of them turns out to be a German anti-fascist, greets the liberators with the cry "Rot Front", and generally commands the prisoners. So his "vinchil" is not a political prisoner, but a homosexual.
                1. 0
                  17 May 2020 14: 32
                  Quote: Rich

                  In his memorandum to Stalin in the fall of 1933, he wrote about the arrest of members of groups who were engaged in "creating a network of salons, centers, dens, groups and other organized groups of homosexuals with the further transformation of these associations into direct cells of influence, and pushing their adherents into power." ..

                  Where did this "memo" come from?
                  1. +2
                    17 May 2020 18: 38
                    Where did this "memo" come from?

                    belay And what is italicized at the end of this memo? laughing wassat
                    1. 0
                      17 May 2020 20: 54
                      Quote: Rich

                      belay And what at the end of this memo is in italics? laughing wassat

                      I have nothing highlighted.
      4. +2
        17 May 2020 10: 25
        Quote: Krasnodar
        "rear-wheel drive" laughing They might not be admitted to the party, expelled from the party, forbidden to hold positions in the army and in the diplomatic service. But to plant for this is complete insanity.

        Why are you so concerned about their fate?
        1. -1
          17 May 2020 17: 11
          Not bothered lol I just consider it insanity to pursue a brow according to preference in my personal life
      5. +2
        17 May 2020 20: 45
        Quote: Krasnodar
        pursue a person through sexual addictions - somehow left.
        Left-wing Marxists saw in the homosexuals of workers, blurring the line between a man and a woman, destroying religious obscurantism and bringing closer the victory of communism. Their persecution is a reaction of the right. Political orientation should not be confused either.
        1. 0
          17 May 2020 21: 07
          Left - meaning stupidly, incorrectly, insanely. Not in the context of political orientation. hi
        2. +1
          18 May 2020 11: 25
          Quote: sniperino
          Their persecution is a reaction of the right. Political orientation should not be confused either.

          No need to fantasize - study God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism, and then you will understand that sodomy could not be perceived by any Bolsheviks as acceptable for the development of society.
          1. 0
            18 May 2020 12: 39
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: sniperino
            Their persecution is a reaction of the right. Political orientation should not be confused either.
            No need to fantasize - study God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism, and then you will understand that sodomy could not be perceived by any Bolsheviks as acceptable for the development of society.
            You have problems with source research. In this case, God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism are not sources. On the issue under discussion, you can dig into the activities of the society "Down with shame!" since 1918. This is the prototype of LGBT people.
            1. +1
              18 May 2020 13: 17
              Quote: sniperino
              On the issue under discussion, you can dig into the activities of the society "Down with shame!" since 1918. This is the prototype of LGBT people.

              Then so many different "theoreticians" of Marxism wrote all sorts of garbage, but it is unlikely that their work formed the basis for the construction of a new society. Although there were very advanced Bolsheviks, and they could afford something, apparently sodomy did not tempt them to consider it necessary for the common cause.
              Quote: sniperino
              You have problems with source studies. God's commandments and the moral code of the builder of communism in this case are not sources.

              Perhaps, like you have problems with sources:
              One of the most important postulates of the Bible that touches on the topic of homosexuality is the commandments proclaimed by Moses, set out in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. In the 18th chapter of Leviticus, the prohibition of sexual relations, which the Bible reckons with “abomination”, is stated (verse 22, 26-27, 29) and the “vile custom” (verse 30, 23)
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 13: 42
                Quote: ccsr
                Then so many different "theoreticians" of Marxism wrote all sorts of garbage, but it is unlikely that their work formed the basis for the construction of a new society.
                Are you talking about Marx and Lenin? belay For I. Armand, K. Radek and others I would not attribute to theorists. Trotsky could still be considered to be involved in promoting the disappearance of the family as an archaic form of private property, but I definitely don’t remember about him.
                One of the most important postulates of the Bible that touches on the topic of homosexuality is the commandments proclaimed by Moses, set out in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. In the 18th chapter of Leviticus, the prohibition of sexual relations, which the Bible reckons with “abomination”, is stated (verse 22, 26-27, 29) and the “vile custom” (verse 30, 23)
                These are not Commandments (there are 10 in the Old and 2 in the New Testament). The sources can be attributed only to the seventh "On adultery", but the Marxist-Bolsheviks interpret it (like the entire Bible) as interpreted: as the opium of the people, priestly nonsense for enslaving the working people, or, perhaps, as a means of their actual liberation? Better Engels read about the origin of the family if you are more interested in theory, but I advise you to carefully study the practice of the Bolsheviks in this matter.
                1. +1
                  18 May 2020 14: 06
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Are you talking about Marx and Lenin?

                  No, not about them - you did not pay attention to the quotation marks, but they were real theorists.
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Better Engels about the origin of the family, read if you are more interested in theory,

                  Not anymore - everything has its own time, I had to study it for a very long time, and now there is no particular interest, my own life is behind me.

                  Quote: sniperino
                  but I advise you to carefully study the practice of the Bolsheviks in this matter.

                  There was only one practice - the country needed working hands, and homosexuality somehow did not help childbearing, and Stalin knew this, which is why such laws were passed.
                  1. 0
                    18 May 2020 14: 25
                    Quote: ccsr
                    There was one practice - the country needed working hands
                    Here is a mistake. The Bolsheviks needed "warriors of light", of whom there were enough. They only had to be armed, in exchange for the lands of the Republic of Ingushetia, by selling church and museum values, bread and throwing them into the last and decisive one, and the world fire would resolve all issues. Lenin, before leaving politics, realized that this issue did not pass. NEP is not an option, it is a stupor. Stalin had already begun to think about construction.
                    1. 0
                      18 May 2020 14: 55
                      PS
                      Quote: sniperino
                      this number did not pass
                      "Russia as a weak link"
    2. +2
      17 May 2020 06: 50
      A very good addition to the material, Dmitry! Thank!
    3. -10
      17 May 2020 08: 09
      Quote: Rich
      ы Lenin “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of punishment for homosexuality "

      who would have doubted- "He sees his brother-in-law from afar! Yes

      Quote: Rich
      It is difficult to say how true the Berry thesis was.


      Yehuda himself indulged in rubber, yes ...

      and until 1933 the USSR was again ahead of the restby abolishing the punishment for pederasty.

      in Germany, homosexuality itself remained jurisdictional until 1969, and, for example, in England - until 1967. AT Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1933 freely practiced civil same-sex marriage
      lol

      And if you recall the active-passive People's Commissar of the NKVD of the USSR Yezhov, we see that the article was applied selectively ...
      1. -2
        17 May 2020 08: 57
        Not ... Ilyich had Inessa Armand, but at home Nadezhda Konstantinovna. Yehuda dabbled in rubber during a threesome, and most likely not in relation to himself laughing And, by the way, Ilyich did the right thing, that he abolished punishments for back conductivity - what is there to punish, actually? )))
        1. -9
          17 May 2020 10: 46
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Not ... Ilyich had Inessa Armand, but at home Nadezhda Konstantinovna.

          Inessa is understandable, because to sleep with .... Lamprey belay recourse

          but he was very friendly with the serpentine too, yes ...
          1. +3
            17 May 2020 10: 48
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Not ... Ilyich had Inessa Armand, but at home Nadezhda Konstantinovna.

            Inessa is understandable, because to sleep with .... Lamprey belay recourse

            but he was very friendly with the serpentine too, yes ...

            It seems that you held a candle to Ilyich
          2. +2
            17 May 2020 15: 18
            Quote: Olgovich
            but he was very friendly with the serpentine too, yes ...

            Andrey! Looks like you overdid it a bit.
            How then to be with Felix Yusupov?
            1. -4
              17 May 2020 16: 21
              Quote: Phil77
              Andrey! Looks like you overdid it a bit.
              How then to be with Felix Yusupov?

              What, and with .... Yusupov, too? recourse request
          3. +3
            17 May 2020 17: 13
            Is Zinoviev, too ... of that ..?
      2. +8
        17 May 2020 09: 02
        Yehuda himself indulged in rubber, yes

        This is not provable.
        1. The fact that he was seized from Berry during a search.
        2. The fact that Yagoda during interrogations categorically denied his property, as well as the property of a collection of pornographic photographs.
        3. Fact - Neither one nor the other fingerprints Berries are not found.
        4. The fact is that they do not appear as forerunners in the materials of the investigation in the Yagoda case.
        Don't forget. whose people Yagoda were arrested. The "bloody dwarf" knew these "toys" like no one else. But Yezhov himself confessed to homosexuality during the investigation. From the age of 15, Yezhov personally wrote a statement about his tendency to pederasty from the age of 154 to the Investigative Department of the NKVD of the USSR. In the document he detailed in what years and with whom he indulged in sodomy, more often - "mutually active relationships" Among the usual articles for anti-Soviet activity, there was one that stood out for its unusualness - XNUMX "a" - homosexuality, which in those years was prosecuted by law.
        One of the first who the Chekists arrested as a result of Yezhov’s testimony was Ivan Dementyev, assistant security guard at the Svetoch factory in Leningrad. Their homosexual relationship began back in 1924, when both were sent to work in Semipalatinsk. Following Dementyev, the chairman of the Kazakh regional trade union council, Yakov Boyarsky-Shimshelevich, and the secretary of the Kazakh regional committee, the organizer of the assassination of the royal family, Philip Goloshchekin, were arrested under the same article 154 “a”.
        1. 0
          17 May 2020 09: 15
          Quote: Rich
          Yehuda himself indulged in rubber, yes

          This is not provable.
          1. The fact that he was seized from Berry during a search.
          2. The fact that Yagoda during interrogations categorically denied his property, as well as the property of a collection of pornographic photographs.
          3. Fact - Neither one nor the other fingerprints Berries are not found.
          4. The fact is that they do not appear as forerunners in the materials of the investigation in the Yagoda case.
          Don't forget. whose people Yagoda were arrested. The "bloody dwarf" knew these "toys" like no one else. But Yezhov himself confessed to homosexuality during the investigation. From the age of 15, Yezhov personally wrote a statement about his tendency to pederasty from the age of 154 to the Investigative Department of the NKVD of the USSR. In the document he detailed in what years and with whom he indulged in sodomy, more often - "mutually active relationships" Among the usual articles for anti-Soviet activity, there was one that stood out for its unusualness - XNUMX "a" - homosexuality, which in those years was prosecuted by law.
          One of the first who the Chekists arrested as a result of Yezhov’s testimony was Ivan Dementyev, assistant security guard at the Svetoch factory in Leningrad. Their homosexual relationship began back in 1924, when both were sent to work in Semipalatinsk. Following Dementyev, the chairman of the Kazakh regional trade union council, Yakov Boyarsky-Shimshelevich, and the secretary of the Kazakh regional committee, the organizer of the assassination of the royal family, Philip Goloshchekin, were arrested under the same article 154 “a”.

          What beautiful Kazakh surnames ...
        2. -9
          17 May 2020 10: 20
          Quote: Rich
          3. Fact - Neither one nor the other fingerprints Berries not found

          where are the print materials? recourse

          In addition, Yehuda found many FEMALE underwear and dresses.

          They did not appear in the case for the simple reason that they destroyed it for completely different reasons, much more significant
          Quote: Rich
          about the same article 154 "a" arrested the chairman of the Kazakh regional trade union council, Yakov Boyarsky-Shimshelevich and Secretary of the Kazakh Regional Committee, the organizer of the assassination of the royal family Philip Goloshchekin.

          Here, in fact, there is nothing to be surprised, for who are they all, the organizers of the murder? Pdrsty. Yes
          1. +2
            17 May 2020 17: 21
            so maybe he dressed the girls in beautiful underwear that he liked laughing
      3. +1
        17 May 2020 09: 25
        And now the boys' choir will perform a song from the m / f of all times and peoples, Cheburashka, Blue Carriage
        In the next note by Shpakovsky, it is possible to perform a song from the m / f `` Blue Puppy '', but this is only possible ...
      4. +2
        17 May 2020 10: 41
        Quote: Olgovich

        Quote: Rich
        Lenin's “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of the punishment for homosexuality”

        who would doubt- "He sees his brother-in-law from afar! yes

        Did you both (rich and you) mean these decrees? -
        = The decree of divorce of December 16 (29), 1917 proclaimed that the marriage is terminated due to the request of both spouses or, at least, one of them, without justification [10];
        The decree on civil marriage, on children and the introduction of state acts-books on December 18 (31), 1917 proclaimed that “the Russian Republic henceforth recognizes only civil marriages ... Church marriage, along with compulsory civil marriage, is a private affair of the couple” [11] (see also Civil marriage). =
        1. +3
          17 May 2020 13: 44
          "Decree on the dissolution of marriage" was issued not on December 16, but on December 19, 1917.
          And I had in mind his points 14 and 15
          P.14) With regard to homosexuality, sodomy and various other forms of sexual satisfaction, considered under European law a violation of public morality, Soviet legislation treats them in the same way as the so-called "natural" intercourse. All forms of voluntary sexual intercourse are private. "
          P.15) Section VIII. Chapter XXVII. Article 516 "On sodomy" of the criminal code of March 22, 1903 shall be considered invalid.

          .
          1. +2
            17 May 2020 14: 14
            ALL-RUSSIAN CENTRAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

            COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S COMMISSAR RSFSR

            DECRET

            from 19 December 1917


            About divorce

            ____________________________________________________________________
            Expired on the basis of
            a joint decision of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR of March 7, 1927.
            ____________________________________________________________________


            1. Marriage is terminated due to a request for both spouses or at least one of them.

            2. The indicated request shall be submitted, in accordance with the rules on local jurisdiction, to the local court.

            Note A declaration of divorce by mutual agreement may also be submitted directly to the department of marriage records, in which a record of the conclusion of the marriage is kept, which department shall record a record of the divorce in the book and issue a certificate of that.

            3. On the day designated for the examination of the request for divorce, the local judge calls both spouses or their attorneys.

            4. If the place of residence of the spouse to be called is unknown, then the application for divorce is allowed at the last known place of residence of the missing spouse or at the place of residence of the applicant, but the court of the last place of residence of the respondent is indicated to him.

            5. If the place of residence of the spouse to be called is unknown, then the day of the hearing of the case shall be appointed no earlier than two months from the date of publication of the publication of the call to the local government newspaper, and the summons shall be sent to the last known place of residence of the respondent by the applicant.

            6. Having ascertained that the request for divorce comes really from both spouses or one of them, the judge single-handedly decides on the dissolution of marriage, and then the spouse is issued with a certificate. At the same time, the judge informs him of a copy of his determination to the marriage records department, where the divorced marriage was completed and where the marriage record book relating to this marriage is kept.

            7. In case of divorce by mutual consent, the spouses are obliged to indicate in the submitted application what surnames will continue to be worn by divorced spouses and their children. If the marriage is divorced at the request of one of the spouses and if there is no agreement between the spouses on this subject, the divorce spouses retain their premarital name, the name of the children is determined by the judge, and in the event of a dispute, the party shall be determined by the local court.

            8. In the case of agreement on the spouse, the judge, at the same time decree on the dissolution of the marriage, determines who have the parents left the minor children, who have survived the marriage, and who the couple should and to what extent should bear the costs of maintaining and raising children, equal as well as about whether the husband is obliged and to what extent to deliver food and maintenance to the divorced wife.

            9. If agreement is not reached, then the husband’s participation in providing his divorced wife with his food and upkeep, in the absence or lack of her own means and inability to work for her, as well as the question of who should have children, is decided by general order in the local court, regardless of the amount of the claim. The judge, having immediately decided the sole ruling on the dissolution of the marriage, determines temporarily, until the dispute is resolved, the fate of the children, as well as decides on the temporary maintenance of both the children and the wife if she needs to.

            10. Cases on the recognition of marriages as illegal or invalid shall continue to be subject to the jurisdiction of a local court.

            11. The effect of this law applies to all citizens of the Russian Republic, regardless of whether they belong to one or another religious cult.

            12. All the presently held spiritual conservatories of the Orthodox ministry and other confessions, the governing synod and all other Christian and non-confessional institutions and confessions and officials who are in charge of the clergy, have decided not to not yet entered into legal force, recognized by the force of this law, destroyed and liable, with all archives being in the production of the above institutions and persons of divorce el, immediate transfer to hraneniya unto the local district courts. The parties are given the right, without waiting for the termination of the previous case, to submit a new request for the dissolution of marriage under this decree, moreover, regarding the absence of a new publication (paragraphs 4 and 5) is not required if it has already been produced in the same manner.

            Chairman Ts.I.K.
            Owls R. S. and Kr. Dep.
            Ya.Sverdlov

            Chairman S.N.K.
            V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

            Control D. S.N.K.
            Bonch-Bruevich

            Secretary
            N. Gorbunov




            Electronic text of the document
            prepared by Kodeks JSC and verified by:
            dispatch

            Quote: Rich
            Rich (Dmitry) Today, 13: 44

            0
            "Decree on the dissolution of marriage" was issued not on December 16, but on December 19, 1917.
            And I had in mind his points 14 and 15

            Well, where are 14 and 15 points? Congratulations to you.
            1. +4
              17 May 2020 15: 08
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Congratulations to you.

              However, a quote from * Master and Margarita * Bulgakova. And they wrote that he is not an authority for you? laughing
              1. -2
                17 May 2020 16: 11
                Quote: Phil77

                However, a quote from * Master and Margarita * Bulgakova. And they wrote that he is not an authority for you?

                Bulgakov stole this quote from ... guess for yourself.
                1. +4
                  17 May 2020 16: 37
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Bulgakov stole this quote from ... guess for yourself.

                  You are my God! From whom, from whom he stole her ???????!
            2. +3
              17 May 2020 18: 23
              Krasnoyarsk: Well, where are 14 and 15 points here?

              And they were too shy to give a note at the bottom of the document? laughing

              The version of this decree you cited from the 1967 collection Yes
              On March 7, 1934, a law came into force according to which sodomy is classified as a criminal offense in all the republics of the USSR and articles of the decree “On the abolition of punishment for homosexuality” were excluded from the decree “On the abolition of marriage” Yes
              Krasnoyarsk: Congratulations to you

              Read any collection of editors' decrees until 1926, at least this one Yes

              Then go to the mirror and congratulate laughing
              1. +4
                17 May 2020 18: 36
                Greetings to Dmitry! Dear Krasnoyarsk, he sees and interprets an event, a text, of a person only by his own understanding, the only correct one! laughing
              2. 0
                17 May 2020 21: 02
                Quote: Rich

                And they were too shy to give a note at the bottom of the document? laughing

                Quote: Krasnoyarsk


                Chairman Ts.I.K.
                Owls R. S. and Kr. Dep.
                Ya.Sverdlov

                Chairman S.N.K.
                V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

                Control D. S.N.K.
                Bonch-Bruevich

                Secretary
                N. Gorbunov




                Electronic text of the document
                prepared by Kodeks JSC and verified by:
                dispatch

                What other "footnote" at the bottom of the document to give you? How is your "footnote" different from mine?
                So where are 14 and 15 points?
                Rich, do not fool people and stop the empty chatter. You got it anyway.
      5. 0
        17 May 2020 14: 34
        Quote: Olgovich
        who would have doubted- "He sees his brother-in-law from afar!

        Are you talking to yourself and Shpakovsky?
    4. +2
      17 May 2020 14: 25
      Quote: Rich
      at the insistence of Trotsky, Lenin’s decrees “On the abolition of marriage” and “On the abolition of the punishment for homosexuality” were issued

      Rich, you are lying! There were no decrees with that name!
  6. +8
    17 May 2020 06: 45
    Not a topic, but I think everyone will be interested -
    In Sterlitamak, a bust of Kolchak was demolished

    http://proufu.ru/news/society/92791-ya_ne_smog_ego_otstoyat_nochyu_v_sterlitamake_byl_snesen_byust_kolchaka/
    1. +3
      17 May 2020 14: 15
      Quote: thinker

      Not a topic, but I think everyone will be interested -
      In Sterlitamak, a bust of Kolchak was demolished

      Well, okay !!!
  7. +4
    17 May 2020 06: 50
    People always remain people. That is life.
    1. +7
      17 May 2020 06: 58
      Quote: Dart2027
      People always remain people. That is life.

      To the point! And then:
      * People, like people. Only the housing problem ruined them. *
      M. Bulgakov.
      1. +2
        17 May 2020 10: 52
        Quote: Phil77

        To the point! And then:
        * People, like people. Only the housing problem ruined them. *
        M. Bulgakov.

        And what, Bulgakov became - the ultimate truth?
        1. +7
          17 May 2020 11: 44
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk

          And what, Bulgakov became - the ultimate truth?

          Everything is simpler. The writer was good. Yes, and the man is not stupid. Therefore, he is often quoted. That's somehow. Sincerely. hi
          1. +1
            17 May 2020 13: 35
            Quote: Phil77
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk

            And what, Bulgakov became - the ultimate truth?

            Everything is simpler. The writer was good. Yes, and the man is not stupid. Therefore, he is often quoted. That's somehow. Sincerely. hi

            A writer may be a good one, not sure.
            And about the stupid-smart, think for yourself. Can an intelligent person make Schwonder and his gop company the personification of the Bolsheviks? Could schwonders build a state? But the Bolsheviks built it! Think this is not harmful.
            1. +5
              17 May 2020 14: 49
              Not quite so. Bulvakov brought the Shvonder company not as the personification of the Bolsheviks, but rather as those who impede the construction of a new state! He brought them out like ballast, like stupid people. As people who, instead of studying, they took upon themselves the right to teach the lives of others ! Really you did not understand the irony of Bulgakov? Reread the story, it is not harmful, right!
              1. -1
                17 May 2020 16: 05
                Quote: Phil77

                Not quite so. The company was brought out by Schvonder Bulgakov not as an embodiment of the Bolsheviks, but rather as those who impede the construction

                So where then are those who built the state? Not really a professor with a ball?
                You yourself said - Schwonder interfered - where in the story are those to whom the schwonders interfered?
                You say - the professor was disturbed. What did the professor build? - Nothing! He conducted an experiment. And the Bolsheviks built and built. But hunchbacked Eltsins came with comrades Olgovich and Shpakovsky and destroyed the Bolsheviks built.
                1. +6
                  17 May 2020 16: 33
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  You say - the professor was disturbed. What did the professor build? - Nothing! He conducted an experiment

                  Are you serious? Yes, it seems that serious. Preobrazhensky, in addition to experimenting with medicine, was treating people! Despite their party affiliation. Criticized the Soviet regime? But is it not the case? And what did the likes of Schwonder give the people? Have you definitely read the story? Yes! In addition, the characters you mentioned do not appear in Bulgakov’s novel!
                  1. -3
                    17 May 2020 17: 20
                    Quote: Phil77

                    Are you serious? Yes, it seems that is serious. Preobrazhensky, in addition to experiments, was engaged in medicine, treated people! Despite their

                    Did the schwonders stop Preobrazhensky from treating?
                    You categorically refuse to answer the question - to whom did Schwonder interfere with the company?
                    1. +4
                      17 May 2020 17: 29
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                      Did the schwonders stop Preobrazhensky from treating?

                      Isn’t it? A seal? And public loud singing? And direct interference with privacy? Of course, you can treat it in a doghouse, but personally, would you like it? As a patient?
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You categorically refuse to answer the question - to whom did Schwonder interfere with the company?

                      Who interfered? Yes, they interfered with people, normal people!
                      1. -2
                        17 May 2020 17: 40
                        Quote: Phil77

                        Who interfered? Yes, they interfered with people, normal people!

                        What are you flirting with? So tell me - the Bolsheviks-schwonders interfered with normal people who were being treated by Preobrazhensky for sexually transmitted diseases.
                      2. +4
                        17 May 2020 17: 47
                        And what does coquetry have to do with it? Venereologists are needed under any authority. Or are party members not prone to diseases? Venereal?
                      3. -1
                        17 May 2020 21: 34
                        Quote: Phil77
                        And what does coquetry have to do with it? Venereologists are needed under any authority. Or are party members not prone to diseases? Venereal?

                        I do not argue, they must be treated. But ... Is this the genius of the author? Is the Bolsheviks stopping the doctor from treating syphilitics? Do you yourself agree with this? Sure - no. But then we return to my understanding of the story - Schwonder associates are the Bolsheviks. And then I have a question - who built the USSR then? Preobrazhensky? After all, schwonders are incapable of this.
                2. +4
                  17 May 2020 16: 43
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  But the hunchbacked Elzins came

                  Where from? Where did they come from? Didn't the party put them forward?
                  And what kind of party is this if it puts forward such * party members * for leadership work? Isn't that why the Soviet Union collapsed?
                  1. -2
                    17 May 2020 17: 26
                    Quote: Phil77
                    Where did they come from?

                    Do you have any idea? You are looking for an answer to the surface, as in a simpler way so as not to think. Because thinking is work. And you are lazy.
                    But the simple answer, alas, is not. It is very complex and multifaceted.
                    Keep arguing?
                    1. +4
                      17 May 2020 17: 41
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Keep arguing?

                      To argue? Yes, you didn’t bring a single argument, just unsubstantiated allegations, what is the dispute? Remain in your opinion, it is certainly yours.
                      Just think for a while, under the old regime, would you have the opportunity to argue about anything in the wilds of the Internet, eh? Would you have such an opportunity? So, hypothetically?
                      1. -1
                        17 May 2020 21: 42
                        Quote: Phil77

                        Just think for a while, under the old regime, would you have the opportunity to argue about anything in the wilds of the Internet, huh?

                        And don’t say what a horror! My grandfathers and grandmothers, under that power (under the kings) could not watch TV. What a horror !!!
                      2. +1
                        18 May 2020 06: 30
                        What are you so difficult! I’m not talking about the Internet itself, but about the freedom to use it! About freedom of communication! Is that more clear?
            2. -4
              17 May 2020 15: 30
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              A writer may be a good one, not sure.
              And about the stupid-smart, think for yourself.

              You Carla Inoshvetsarskaya that bequeathed?
              So read more!
              Maybe that will come someday.
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And about the stupid-smart, think for yourself. Can an intelligent person make Schwonder and his gop company the personification of the Bolsheviks?

              It was such schwonders and ball-they were.
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Could schwonders build a state? But the Bolsheviks built it!

              Where is it?! belay request

              What's wrong with you?

              The Sharikovs DESTROYED in only 70 years what was created before them FOR AGES!

              Look out the window!
            3. 0
              7 June 2020 19: 07
              Well, yes, this has not been built yet, so far to the schwonders
  8. +11
    17 May 2020 06: 56
    A little off topic. Poking around in the APRF open archive, see what you find. Oh, a week earlier
  9. +3
    17 May 2020 06: 58
    Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    When that father told another everyday business related to the party worker ... True, probably, it was later ...
    A young driver lived and worked on a collective farm. Everything was fine with him: home, young wife, beloved work. He loved to travel. And recently, they have also begun to throw long-distance flights to him - then to the neighboring region, for spare parts, and even to the region! Others, like business trips, with an overnight stay in other cities.
    Only this village. There sewed in a bag you can’t hide. They explained to the guy that you were supposedly in the city, and the chairman was staying with your wife for the night!
    The driver decided to check ... I got the documents again, refueled, drove away from the village to the nearest landing and waited for darkness. Then came back.
    Exactly - there is a "gazik" chairman near his house! Blocked the exit, the guy for the mount and let's break in the door! While he was breaking through, the chairman leapt out the window and ran away with his kitchen gardens in his shorts.
    Rich trophies went to the guy - and "gazik", and clothes, and a party card in the pocket of his suit ...
    The chauffeur collected all this, but straight into the city, in the regional committee (or city committee, I don't know). Dumped everything on the tables, wrote a statement, returned the keys to the "bobby".
    There was a trial and the chairman was dismissed ... And transferred to the city with promotion!
    1. +4
      17 May 2020 14: 11
      In the district committee, collective farms were governed by the district committees, the city committees did not touch the collective farms. And the chairman, a ram, you should never use your car for such matters, especially UAZ cars in the area of ​​no more than a dozen at that time. and everyone knows who drives what, the car must be thrown into a field even in the bushes, but to come to a married mistress, this is not entirely smart. And the girl burned and burned himself. There was a case, I was returning to the garage, I see a man sneaking, in a dressing gown, socks and bags are unisex on his feet, frosts of about 15. He stopped, called him, well, who is not without sin, he drove almost home. Damn how to otmazyvatsya, well, just like in the Gaza Strip. In short, he removes this nightie, gives his watch and engagement ring, I break his face, specifically break, he was robbed after a week, he brought 5 bubbles to me in the garage. He refused to take the watch and ring. Anything can happen.
    2. -1
      7 June 2020 21: 51
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins

      When the father told another household affair related to the party worker ..

      And what did you want to say with this story?
      That the party workers were not blue and not castrated?
      Well, thanks, surprised.
  10. +14
    17 May 2020 06: 58
    Another article about how they, the people of the country of the Soviets, was not ideal. Yes there were such. However, there were orders of magnitude more honest and working!
    1. -13
      17 May 2020 07: 10
      Quote: Doccor18
      Yes there were such. However, there were orders of magnitude more honest and working!

      But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?
      1. +2
        17 May 2020 07: 18
        Quote: kalibr
        But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

        Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        But there is no answer to this question! There is a second:
        - Why didn’t this happen?
        1. +3
          17 May 2020 08: 02
          Quote: Phil77
          Quote: kalibr
          But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

          Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
          But there is no answer to this question! There is a second:
          - Why didn’t this happen?

          The answer is simple - an active percentage of the population believed that under capitalism, with two higher educations, I would definitely become a millionaire, I would have a yacht, a mansion and Mastino Napoletano. Forgetting that on average about three percent of the population becomes a millionaire maximum (on average for countries).
          1. +7
            17 May 2020 08: 23
            I’ll become a millionaire, I will have a yacht, a mansion and Mastino Napoletano.
            "I'll buy a drum, a bulldog puppy, and then I'll marry" (C) laughing
            1. +4
              17 May 2020 08: 26
              - Are you getting married?
              - Well yes.
              - Tom, you are out of your mind! (WITH)
              1. +2
                17 May 2020 08: 40
                "I'm getting married, I'm getting married! What kind of toys can there be?" (C)
                1. +1
                  17 May 2020 09: 01
                  But you, but you, my girlfriends of yesterday ... (C) laughing
                  1. +3
                    17 May 2020 09: 13
                    "No woman, no cry" (C) laughing
                    1. +1
                      17 May 2020 09: 17
                      It will rain
                      The soldier will return
                      You just wait! soldier
                      1. +3
                        17 May 2020 09: 22
                        "Cap-cap-cap, from the clear eyes of Marusya,
                        Tears fall on the spear "(C)
                      2. +4
                        17 May 2020 09: 29
                        Ulyana Andreevna, I reigned! But you have not changed. I was seduced by the queen, but I did not give in! I swear! (WITH)
                      3. +5
                        17 May 2020 09: 41
                        "You are a wolf," Lokhankin continued in the same languid tone. "I despise you. You are leaving me for your lover. You are leaving me for Ptiburdukov. You, disgusting, are leaving me now for the insignificant Ptiburdukov. So this is who you are leaving me for. You want to indulge your lust with him. The she-wolf is old and disgusting. " (FROM)
                      4. +2
                        17 May 2020 09: 50
                        Gavrila was a good husband
                        Gavrila loved his wives (C)
                      5. +4
                        17 May 2020 09: 58
                        "But in other way,
                        Mother-in-law is also three "(C)
                      6. +3
                        17 May 2020 17: 34
                        ― I brought a toast.
                        ― Bad, right?
                        -Well...
                        ― What do you allow yourself, listen?
                        ―You asked in 3 copies ... (C)
                      7. +2
                        17 May 2020 17: 44
                        "The toasted one drinks to the bottom" (C)
                      8. +4
                        17 May 2020 18: 03
                        “Seventeen Moments of Spring”, dubbed into the Uzbek language. Bormann entered the office of the Führer, threw his hand forward and exclaimed: “Salaam alaikum, Hitler-aha!” (WITH)
                      9. +3
                        17 May 2020 18: 42
                        "Where it breaks, there is thin
                        I sleep baby
                        And I have beautiful dreams
                        On all, on mine, on seventeen films
                        "Seventeen Moments of Spring" "(C)
                      10. +3
                        17 May 2020 18: 45
                        No coffee, no kira, empty apartment,
                        And the jeans drifted to the holes
                        But I see the forbidden, so colorful
                        The capitalist world. (WITH)
                      11. +5
                        17 May 2020 23: 13
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        “Salaam alaikum, Hitler-aga!” (WITH)

                        What kind of "aha"? If this is an Uzbek cinema, then it should be something like this:
                        Borman (throwing a ridge): "Asalam waaleikum Hitler aka! Yahshimisiz?" (Hello Uncle Hitler! Are you all right?)
                        Hitler (waving languidly in response): "Waaleikum assalam uk. Kalaysan?" (Hello brother. How are you?)
                      12. +3
                        17 May 2020 23: 15
                        This is a quote from Danelia's book "The Toasted One Drinks To The Bottom")). Most likely, the great director exaggerated, but it turned out rather funny hi
                      13. +4
                        17 May 2020 23: 19
                        Just aha, that's my opinion. something Caucasian. The Uzbeks have aka (pronounced "akya").
                      14. +4
                        17 May 2020 23: 26
                        Bukhara Jews told me nostalgic for the Old City of Tashkent and Samarkand in Israel)). I knew Uzbek cuisine, dined every day in a Bukhara restaurant under the office, I will definitely fly to Uzbekistan when the children grow up.
                      15. +5
                        17 May 2020 23: 34
                        Quote: Krasnodar

                        Bukhara Jews told me this in Israel, nostalgic for the Old City of Tashkent and Samarkand)).

                        Alas, soon nothing will be left from the Old City. Demolished. High-rise buildings are being built.
                      16. +5
                        17 May 2020 23: 40
                        Nevertheless - Samarkand and Bukhara remained "fabulous" cities, my Russian friends liked the rest in Tashkent - six people in an elite restaurant of Uzbek cuisine left about 15 thousand rubles, not limiting themselves in food and drink (the most decent there was Gray Goose from booze , but nonetheless). According to their rave reviews - and people are gourmets who want to get into Michelin everywhere, family holidays there are great. And the country is very safe, beautiful and distinctive.
        2. +1
          17 May 2020 09: 04
          Quote: Phil77
          Quote: kalibr
          But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

          Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
          But there is no answer to this question! There is a second:
          - Why didn’t this happen?

          The answer to these questions is. These were other people. In a nutshell,
          1. +4
            17 May 2020 12: 25
            Quote: populist
            In a nutshell,

            And if you take and deploy?
            Empires perish as a rule from decay, from decay of rulers.
            1. +3
              17 May 2020 17: 47
              Quote: Phil77
              Phil77 (Sergey) Today, 12: 25

              +2
              Quote: populist
              In a nutshell,

              And if you take and deploy?
              Empires perish as a rule from decay, from decay of rulers.

              If you expand, you get a lecture or an abstract, at least. hi Kara-Murza wrote two volumes of "Soviet Civilization" on this topic. Somewhere in them there is a correct observation that in the 60-70s the genotype of the builders of socialism and the winners in the war against fascism began to be replaced by a philistine-philistine genotype with a criminal bias. They were different people.
              Rotting is such a general emotional term that needs clarification and detail. In moral terms, it was probably. But the Chinese did not hurt.
              1. +4
                17 May 2020 18: 02
                Great answer !!!
                However, I will note. The Chinese leadership is following the trends in society and after the extremely tough "Tiananmen" began to consistently "release the reins."
              2. +3
                17 May 2020 18: 11
                Oh! Not so long ago I wrote something similar! But I didn’t choose the moment, I admit. So? Well, not really good.
      2. +5
        17 May 2020 07: 25
        Quote: kalibr
        But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

        As I understand it, Mr. Shpakovsky that the USSR is not your country?
        1. -7
          17 May 2020 08: 01
          I wrote that I was one of her most ardent defenders? What are you speaking about?
          1. +8
            17 May 2020 08: 19
            Quote: kalibr
            What was one of her most ardent defenders?

            I haven’t seen a single positive article about the USSR from you .. revaluation of values? This is not even work on mistakes.
            1. +1
              17 May 2020 13: 34
              So they all remained in the USSR! Do you want me to extract them from the newspapers of that time and place them here?
              1. +2
                17 May 2020 13: 53
                If you are an investigator, then you are obliged to indicate the reasons for both victories and defeats ... the facts are presented one-sidedly. And there is a single direction view. Without taking into account the situation of that time. Without taking into account the country's capabilities at that time.
                1. +2
                  17 May 2020 15: 54
                  Quote: apro
                  If you are an investigator, then you are obliged to indicate the reasons for both victories and defeats ... the facts are presented one-sidedly. And there is a single direction view. Without taking into account the situation of that time. Without taking into account the country's capabilities at that time.

                  That is, all this in one article here? Read tired ...
        2. +6
          17 May 2020 08: 13
          Quote: apro
          Quote: kalibr
          But then what did they not protect their paradise in 1991?

          As I understand it, Mr. Shpakovsky that the USSR is not your country?

          If not for him, after the military school in the USSR, in Stakhanovist style, he communized and carried to the masses faith in the future, so to speak, on a global scale.
          1. +7
            17 May 2020 08: 21
            Quote: Skalendarka
            carried faith to the masses

            This I think professionally career interests ...
  11. +7
    17 May 2020 07: 04
    How does the author wrinkle from the Soviet country. Probably a lover of crispy foreign buns. Yes, the Communists will be real babies in front of modern Shpakov liberals, give them full power in the country.
    1. +9
      17 May 2020 07: 15
      She’s been gone for 30 years, but they are all upset.
    2. -2
      17 May 2020 07: 17
      Quote: igorra
      Probably a lover of crispy foreign buns.

      He ate local bread and a lot of ours. And I can say that ours is good and they are not worse. Ours is good especially in private bakeries, of which there are many now. Here avocado is still really expensive and "dor blue" ... No, it doesn't hurt me at all, I lived well then, very much even. He actively fought for her vital functions. But ... despite my best efforts, it collapsed. I would not like a repetition. So you need to know exactly why, how and what reasons led to such a sad phenomenon. So that it does not repeat itself a second time, neither today nor tomorrow. Available, Igor, explained?
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  12. +1
    17 May 2020 07: 26
    So, it is obvious that they stole something, and, of course, with the volumes of the fact that today the same FSB officers are stealing from us ....
    .... And what does this mean? About the extreme poverty of our then “homo sovieticus”, in the eyes of which even a couple of pots and a free meat grinder - “and even bread!”

    I do not agree with the author. It only says that they stole what they could reach.
    And absolutely neither to the village nor to the city was a stuffing with "FSB officers"
  13. +10
    17 May 2020 07: 46
    I will say a few seditious thoughts, I myself am the defender of the Soviet system, but. I don’t know what the communist wanted to show in the film, but it caused a negative reaction among many viewers. Extremely wretched looked felling this communist. The majority of spectators were front-line soldiers who built crossings, built ghats, built dugouts, worked on a par with sappers, tankmen, and infantry. They knew very well how the forest was cut, how much labor was needed. Seeing this scene, where a communist piled forests overnight, they couldn’t pile timber for a season, many spat on the understanding that these figures had never been among the people, they were balabol at the front. Instead of raising patriotism, the effect was the opposite. About this one who served and tried to recover. Party membership is actually the first document in our country. Do you not know this, dear author. And for faking party cards, the punishment was stricter than for faking passports or money. And this innocent still had the audacity to go to the Communist Party .... And as for the theft, As a friend I sold my father’s house, asked for help to clean the garage, her dad was such a sick patient that she’s been disabled, worked as a zvozk, and the whole patient slammed the front from the front like The foot curve was a fact. What I saw in the garage .... The garage almost to the roof is littered with trash, when it was good and necessary things, he lugged EVERYTHING !!!! All this rotted, he probably dragged since 50 years. Ropes, steel cables, carbide, ruberoid, tarpaulin, buckets, electrical wiring, some things could not even be determined. And the top of everything, damn it, horse harness, what for, saddle reins, etc. man dragged and dragged. request
    1. +1
      17 May 2020 08: 28
      For fake money in the USSR planted for a period of 10-15 years. Article 87 of the Law of the RSFSR of 25.07.62
    2. +4
      17 May 2020 11: 00
      Yes, do not pay attention: this is a common manipulative device, they say, you could behave like in a film, or you could - like in an article, although, in fact, you wouldn’t choose if it’s a single field of berries ...
  14. -1
    17 May 2020 09: 06
    In recent years. That often articles began to appear okhayuschie time of the USSR .. Why would it? According to surveys, about 70% want the restoration of the USSR. 18-25 year olds are also included in this list .. That's interesting .. There were a lot of bad things in the USSR, but not a lot of good .. That's 30 years of capitalism, and we all use the achievements of the Soviet Union .. Something little is written about this! God is the judge of the author .. hi
    1. +3
      17 May 2020 09: 23
      Yeah. 18-25 years old, introduce censorship on the Internet and give access to clothes from North Korea ... they will be glad. Especially reseeding on Russian skateboards and bicycles ... people just do not understand what it is about
      1. +3
        17 May 2020 09: 34
        I remembered my first bicycle, "Salut". It was hard, an infection!
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 09: 38
          And I had a Desna))
        2. +6
          17 May 2020 09: 39
          It was a serious infection!
          ,,, but without the upper frame, I had a Ural resident. hi
          Every spring, when the roads are dry, spend winked All disassemble, clean, lubricate, collect. fellow
          1. +6
            17 May 2020 09: 46
            When dragged to the fifth floor, it was rather a minus.
            My respect, Sergey!
        3. +4
          17 May 2020 11: 49
          Hi Anton! And I had a * Schoolboy * first * lisaped *. laughing
          1. +3
            17 May 2020 11: 55
            Sergei! hi
            I skipped this stage. After "Mishutka", from which it quickly "grew", there was "Salut".
            1. +3
              17 May 2020 12: 03
              And I remember him, like * Kama *. But the real yard * hobbies * for me, personally, have always been a leather ball and a club!
              1. +5
                17 May 2020 12: 06
                They didn’t take me to these games, he was fat. request
              2. +4
                17 May 2020 12: 51
                No, I have a neighbor, an old club, Grandma Martha, as if I were not interested in her. But the neighbor on the desk, Natasha, was a very fascinating girl.
          2. +2
            17 May 2020 15: 56
            Quote: Phil77
            Hi Anton! And I had a * Schoolboy * first * lisaped *.

            Hello Sergey!

            So "Shkolnik" was still in my childhood, already ... in the 60s. recourse

            I had a "Eaglet" -super bike after my childhood!

            Stolen from the barn ... Such grief, such grief was-the world collapsed and faded ..


            Then Minsk, "ukraine", Start-highway "-250 rubles!, Tourist, Desna, now-" AUTHOR "-32 speeds, in a pandemic the very thing, no general transport, and the car is only for long distances ... ..
            1. +3
              17 May 2020 18: 28
              Hi Andrey! That's right, the first is * Schoolboy *, the second is * Eaglet *. Cycling childhood? From the 69th to 75,76 approximately. I also drove aunt in the river in Muromtsevo / Vladimir region / in * Ukraine *.
      2. -3
        17 May 2020 10: 37
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Yeah. 18-25 years old, introduce censorship on the Internet and give access to clothes from North Korea ... they will be glad. Especially reseeding on Russian skateboards and bicycles ... people just do not understand what it is about

        All to you liberoids, clothes and gadgets, etc. .. Young people dream of education like what it was in the USSR and work not for an uncle, but for a space science, etc. country! To be respected and appreciated as much as in the days of the USSR, scientists of fundamental sciences, engineers, even ordinary workers and collective farmers .. The worker in the days of the USSR sounded proud! They watch movies and read books about those times and ask a lot of questions. All speculators and hucksters in the country were despised and they hid and feared, etc.
        Any of the provinces had a chance to break out into people!
        Higher education was real, but first work out its distribution and experience, type somewhere in the wilderness .. Withstand, then all the paths are open ahead!
        Oh, there was a time .. The same director of the largest plant to repair from a simple worker, going through all the steps .. Here was a natural selection of REAL specialists and professional!
        Yes, what I explain to you, you have money in your eyes ..
        1. +5
          17 May 2020 16: 55
          Soviet primary education was the best in the world, no doubt. Higher - mathematics and physics. The rest is so.
          How ordinary workers and co-farmers were valued - no need to tell:
          Queue of 20 years per apartment
          Few years by car
          And the deficit of everything - from hard as sandpaper, toilet paper to some food
          Love from the province had the right to take the train and go to Moscow for .. sausage
          About social elevators - Have you ever heard how an employee became a shift supervisor, director, companion? laughing
          In my eyes, human conditions of life are freedom of movement around the world, the ability to buy anything, anytime, the ability to communicate with anyone and read any literature.
      3. +6
        17 May 2020 14: 21
        And where did you see the Russians are great. Five years ago I bought a Russian grandson for my grandson, a bunch of stickers, Everywhere is made in Russia, we decided to do T.O. BBBLIN, open end wrenches at 15, at 18, at 20. These are hexagons of the Chinese standard, made in China, our stickers.
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 16: 45
          That's exactly what I wanted to say hi
        2. +4
          17 May 2020 22: 10
          Quote: Free Wind

          And where did you see the Russians are great.

          Stels, for example.

          quite a decent machine, for its price.
          Quote: Free Wind
          About five years ago I bought a Russian great grandson, a bunch of stickers,

          a bunch of bright stickers - the second, after the price, a sign of auchanike.))))
    2. 0
      7 June 2020 19: 18
      Probably 70 percent in Russia, but what about those who will be added back to the USSR, huh?
  15. 0
    17 May 2020 09: 49
    an artificial change in the direction of the rivers leads to a natural disaster (the Aral Sea) ... an artificial change in the ideology of human existence causes a social catastrophe ... all this happened in Russia ...
  16. +5
    17 May 2020 10: 00
    The late USSR was terrible. Deficit, coupons, eternal queues, total disappointment in ideology, a sharp increase in crime, alcoholism, drug addiction and substance abuse. Would you like to defend such a system? Such a country? Here is the answer why in 3 days the USSR crumbled like a house of cards.
    1. +5
      17 May 2020 13: 28
      Yes, he was not terrible .. Difficulties were, but not like now, there were no beggars and homeless ... And not the Union fell apart, and hysterical Muscovites progressively thinking and dreaming of jeans and Phuket crowded in the streets, looking into the mouth of EBN, which a handful of traitors decided the fate of millions of people ... Well, thanks to the tagged Mishanka, combine, ...
      1. +5
        17 May 2020 15: 58
        These years I did not live in Moscow. USSR crumbled everywhere. And in the outback, and in the capitals. Endless queuing, coupons, invitations, lack of basic things - why do we need such a system? People are brutal. I remember that men went for vodka with an ax (!), Because they attacked and took it away.
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 16: 08
          I was in Moscow only when necessary, I lived on the outskirts, basically, there were no household problems with basic things, and vodka was not my main consumer product.
          Quote: Moskovit
          People are brutal

          They got brutalized in the 90s and what’s most interesting continues to go wild ... Or rather, already get out of hand.
      2. -3
        17 May 2020 16: 05
        Quote: Slavs
        There were difficulties, but not like now, there were no beggars and homeless ..

        Homeless people and beach is a Soviet word invention
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 16: 12
          Quote: Olgovich
          Homeless people and beach is a Soviet word invention

          I think if you compare the photos of the cities of 1985 and 1995 in terms of the number of beggars, homeless people, pests and others on the streets ... That comparison will not be in favor of 95.
          1. -3
            17 May 2020 16: 30
            Quote: Slavs
            I think if you compare the photos of the cities of 1985 and 1995 in terms of the number of beggars, homeless people, pests and others on the streets ... That comparison will not be in favor of 95.

            And?

            You can compare it with the Soviet Union of the 30s, where they "were not" - they were simply imprisoned, shot and expelled.

            The Soviet island of the Cannibals Nazino on the Ob is to help you.
            1. 0
              17 May 2020 16: 48
              Have you jumped from 85 to 33? What for ?
              Quote: Olgovich
              And?


              You tell me about the formation of the USSR.
              I tell you about the formation of a democratic RF.
              1. -3
                18 May 2020 08: 25
                Quote: Slavs
                You tell me about the formation of the USSR.
                I tell you about the formation of a democratic RF.

                How much did he ... "become" that millions had to be collected from the streets, train stations, raspberries?

                What did the Russian Federation leave the USSR? In addition to the dying population, uncompetitive industry and mountains of coupons for cowards, etc.?
                1. +2
                  18 May 2020 20: 59
                  Good. From 1917 to 1991 it was bad. Very bad !!
                  When did you feel good? Can you tell me in what period in Russia it was good ???
                  1. -2
                    19 May 2020 07: 25
                    Quote: Slavs
                    Good. From 1917 to 1991 it was bad. Very bad !!
                    When did you feel good? Can you tell me in what period in Russia it was good ???

                    Good question! hi


                    My answer is:

                    from VOR until the 1950s in Russia it was worse than in 1913

                    Then it got better. than in 1913.

                    But I am sure that without a thief it would be "better" many times better, both in terms of population, wealth and culture.

                    It’s good in Russia in the 2000s: I don’t want to work — earn, study, build, get married, give birth, travel, read, believe, develop — what you want, how much you want and where you want.

                    I also managed to do something, but I would be about forty years old, oh!
        2. +1
          18 May 2020 10: 06
          I apologize, but homeless, without a specific place of residence, the word came into use at the very very end of the USSR, BEACH is a former, non-intellectual person, and this is in common people. But homeless has become the official name in modern reality.
          1. +1
            18 May 2020 11: 58
            Quote: Free Wind
            I apologize, but homeless, without a specific place of residence, the word came into use at the very, very end of the USSR,

            no in the 1970s
            Quote: Free Wind
            BEACH is a former, intlegent person, and this is commonplace.

            everyone has
  17. +8
    17 May 2020 10: 09
    = After serving a sentence in the Sevpechlager of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he was released on October 8, 1945, and in 1947 he arrived in Penza, where he began working as a mechanic in a mechanical laundry. February 4, 1950 was again arrested as a previous convict. By a special meeting at the Ministry of State Security of the USSR he was sent to a settlement in the Kustanai region of Kazakhstan for membership in an anti-Soviet organization without determining the period where he stayed until 1954. =
    "Historian" Shpakovsky in his repertoire. - publishes unverified material? Or, as usual, your fantasies?
    He was released from the Sevep camp of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the year 45, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs itself was formed on March 15.03.1946, XNUMX. And how is this understood?
    = July 22, 1933 he was arrested by the Special Conference of the OGPU collegium and convicted under articles 58-2 and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, sentenced to death - with a 10-year prison term in the camp. =
    And this is generally creepy! "Historian" Shpakovsky, if he has undertaken to write on this topic, he should know that the "Special Meeting" had the right - = March 28, 1924. The Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR approved a new regulation on the rights of the OGPU. A special meeting at the OGPU received the right to sentence to imprisonment in a camp for up to 3 years. = and no more !!!
    = And now the most “amusing” one. Gave read these materials to one student of Moscow University named after Yu. S. Witte. She read and says: “Is he crazy? Climb into the party after what this power did to him! .. "-" Well, he really wanted to ... "-" Some kind of nonsense! Everything that happened is absolutely unreal, like a bad dream. A society of some kind of crazy! ” =
    No, Mr. Shpakovsky, it’s you crazy, along with the student you invented.
    And you do not understand why the Communist wanted to be restored in the party.
    1. Because restoration in the party is tantamount to restoration of justice.
    2. The COMMUNIST understood that the injustice was committed against him not by the PARTY, but by some who dodged it. And it is more convenient to wage a struggle against them while in the party.
    Well, you don’t understand this. For you are a product of the Khrushchev slush.
    1. +6
      17 May 2020 13: 28
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      And this is generally creepy! "Historian" Shpakovsky, if he has undertaken to write on this topic, he should know that the "Special Meeting" had the right - = March 28, 1924. The Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR approved a new regulation on the rights of the OGPU. A special meeting at the OGPU received the right to sentence to imprisonment in a camp for up to 3 years. = and no more !!!

      Does it surprise you? Great! All case data are given. Even the pages. This is an archived document. You can order it and check whether it is so or not. Book it, it's inexpensive. 10 p. photocopy of the document page. But you will definitely know everything ...
      1. +1
        17 May 2020 13: 46
        Quote: kalibr
        All case data are given. Even the pages.

        Yes, such fakes in the archives are a dime a dozen. Your comrades Khrushchev, Zorya, Volkogonov, etc., worked tirelessly. And you are being fooled by them, not thinking about the fact that the OS could not pronounce a death sentence.
        1. +5
          17 May 2020 15: 45
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Yes, such fakes in the archives are a dime a dozen. Your comrades Khrushchev, Zorya, Volkogonov, etc., worked tirelessly. And you are being fooled by them, not thinking about the fact that the OS could not pronounce a death sentence.

          Why in some local archive, which no one uses, forge such documents? This business has never been requested of me, has not been introduced into scientific circulation. Why do what is not used?
          And again, what are you? An archive worker? And what if not a secret? It would be interesting to get acquainted with the documents of your ...
          1. -2
            17 May 2020 17: 12
            Quote: kalibr
            It would be interesting to get acquainted with the documents of your ...

            Yes please.
            = Excluded from the ranks of the CPSU for moral degradation, expressed in the occupation of sodomy. On April 25, 1963, a regional court sentenced him to 3 years and 6 months in prison. The decision of the lower party organization OK CPSU approved. =
            So what did Mr. Shpakovsky dislike about this matter? That the court decided to isolate the pedophile? Punished him for molesting minors? After all - a construction school. Don't you like the fact that the party committee expelled the pedophile from the party? Or that a pedophile, at one time, was admitted there? So, at the time of admission to the party, the sign "I am a pedophile" did not hang on his chest.
            So why does Mr. Shpakovsky write about this? Do we not know about the existence of homosexuals among people? They are also among the clergy: Catholics, Greek Catholics, Jews, Muslims. So what? And the fact that it is written to justify itself -
            = But the "call of nature" turned out to be stronger. Such are the people, and there were many of them whether we like it or not (p. Of the indicated document 187.12). SUCH A LOT !!! That's what for. And the proof that there are many of them is written on (p. Of the indicated document 187.12)

            = That is, as you can see, they dealt with the “affairs” for a long time, thoroughly and for each of the cases separately, and not so that “in bulk”, as some now believe. =
            You knew perfectly well that the expression "rehabilitated in a crowd" appeared in the 2s and referred to the activities of the commission under the leadership of the "superintendent of perestroika" Yakovlev and was, the expression, quite fair. But you confused the activities of the Khrushchev commission, where the cases were still considered, and therefore for a long time, with the Gorbachev commission, which "considered everything en masse."
            For what purpose are you doing this? After all, this is a falsification of facts.
            These are the investigators like you and cooked up affairs with the People’s Communist Party
            1. +2
              17 May 2020 18: 14
              Your archive, not mine! What is written in my material I do not need to repeat.
  18. +4
    17 May 2020 10: 29
    People, just people. With its virtues and vices.
  19. +9
    17 May 2020 10: 56
    Oh, another material in the heading "Blacken and rule!" :)). So, through the glasses offered by the author, I cannot understand something: this is proof that the communists did fought for the purity of their ranks, or that they were all illegally repressed :?)
  20. +3
    17 May 2020 11: 15
    1933 joined the counter-revolutionary organization "People’s Communist Party", which aimed to overthrow the Soviet regime and establish a petty-bourgeois republic.

    It's strange, I've never heard of such a thing ... Although, in order to "sew" the case, in those days they invented something different.
    1. +2
      17 May 2020 12: 22
      Yes, they came up with a lot of things, over there in the "communist" he poked a tree twice with an ax, and knocked down a meter-long tree with his shoulder. Well, about the party, I sat down on the blockade with the men to smoke terry, but I remembered about the NEP by chance, that's the formation of a petty-bourgeois republic. Well, theft, and forgery of documents for the heap.
    2. +3
      17 May 2020 13: 25
      Well, you see, Alexander, how interesting it is to climb into old documents. By the way, I didn’t hear either. I learned from this matter!
      1. +4
        17 May 2020 13: 41
        For such a phrase, all search engines throw out only garbage.
        I am not surprised. I know the story of a person with a World War I disability (imperialist, as they said then). He was in shell shock in the winter of 1915. He returned deaf, dumb and without toes, and only large ones remained on his hands - he froze. He worked in Tambov as a house painter in a housing and communal farm. To hold the brush, he wore a special mitten with an iron clothespin. He went in 1938 to 5 years for 58-10. Propaganda and agitation, a call for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power.
        1. 0
          17 May 2020 16: 09
          Quote: A. Privalov
          He worked in Tambov as a house painter in a housing and communal farm. To hold the brush, he wore a special mitten with an iron clothespin. He went in 1938 to 5 years for 58-10. Propaganda and agitation, a call for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power.

          read the GPU summary of the former. red partisans: they dispossessed him because he hired workers for himself.

          And he hired, because he ... didn't have a HAND!
    3. +1
      17 May 2020 13: 51
      Quote: A. Privalov

      It's strange, I've never heard of such a thing ... Although, in order to "sew" the case, in those days they invented something different.

      Yes, you have not heard a lot of things, does this mean that everything that you did not hear about did not exist?
      I haven’t heard of you either, but you existed before I heard about you.?
      1. +4
        17 May 2020 14: 30
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Yes, you have not heard a lot of things, does this mean that everything that you did not hear about did not exist?
        I haven’t heard of you either, but you existed before I heard about you.?

        I said exactly what he said: I have not heard anything about the People’s Communist Party. Dot.
        All the rest, I'm sorry, just your thoughts. hi
        I almost forgot. Everything is in order with the materiel. I am fairly well acquainted with the real and fictitious counter-revolutionary organizations of the 20s and 30s. Hence my surprise. hi
  21. +11
    17 May 2020 12: 20
    Author:
    Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
    .
    Gave read these materials to one student of Moscow University named after Yu. S. Witte. She read and says: “Is he crazy? Climb into the party after what this power did to him! .. "-" Well, he really wanted to ... "-" Some kind of nonsense! Everything that happened is absolutely unreal, like a bad dream. A society of some kind of crazy! ”

    So this student was taught by people like you, experienced manipulators, snatching out from the total mass of party affairs those that are beneficial to you to nurture the CPSU, and ignoring other matters where they absolutely rightly expelled the guilty communists from the party to clean their ranks.
    In general, I was once again convinced that believing in articles by propagandists like yourself means not respecting yourself, because you choose one black color from the overall picture with many colors, and you impose on everyone that you can only evaluate that time. I am becoming more and more convinced that you are just a miserable loser of the Soviet period, and now you are trying in such a cheap way to compensate for your inferiority by posting articles on forums.
    1. +1
      17 May 2020 13: 20
      Quote: ccsr
      pathetic loser of the soviet period

      When you write that, I understand that you would like me to spoil my mood at least so. But ... it won't work! In 1987 - 1990 I have already published 3 books in central publishing houses, I received a Ph.D. , was a lecturer of the OK Komsomol and the RK KPSS for a teacher of a regional university, an excellent career. A little more would have been published a monograph on the topic of doctoral dissertation, I would have written it and then I would have spit until retirement, I would have broadcast TV programs, wrote books, articles. I would just live happily ever after! And now - I act like Rhett Butler from "Gone with the Wind": someone earns on creating a new society, someone on the collapse of the old one. Well, then again - I earn both on both!
      And in "Witte" I did not teach ... Here the girl was taught by others ...
      1. +6
        17 May 2020 13: 30
        Quote: kalibr
        In 1987 - 1990 I have already published 3 books in central publishing houses, I received a Ph.D. ,

        At the same time, Gorbachev was the secretary general, and Yeltsin was a member of the Central Committee, so you look insignificant against the background of these party shifters.
        Quote: kalibr
        I would live just happily!

        No, you just then realized that you were doing the wrong thing — then the more dodgy ones got into the party and were pushed aside, and you see the CPSU as the fault.
        Quote: kalibr
        Now I'm acting like Rhett Butler from Gone With the Wind

        And I think as the main character from the movie "Twelve Chairs" - this role suits you better.
        Quote: kalibr
        And in "Witte" I did not teach ... Here the girl was taught by others ...

        But just like you, by principles, such a miracle has grown.
        1. -2
          17 May 2020 14: 47
          So I’m writing - an ordinary assistant professor, an ordinary university ... I’m in the Central Committee and not methyl, not methyl to the deans, rectors, secretaries of the OK CPSU. I didn’t even think! But, what if you are not a member of the Central Committee, then your career has not been set, is it?
          Has a miracle grown? This is not a miracle. This is the norm today!
          1. +2
            17 May 2020 17: 11
            Quote: kalibr
            So I write - an ordinary assistant professor, an ordinary university ...

            It still depresses you ...
            Quote: kalibr
            Has a miracle grown? This is not a miracle. This is the norm today!

            But what about your personal responsibility as a teacher for the fact that such a miracle has grown? Or do not you feel moral remorse?
            1. +1
              17 May 2020 18: 17
              Quote: ccsr
              It still depresses you ...

              Why should this depress me? Better to be first in the village than second in Rome! I liked my position in Penza very much then, and I still like it now. Caesar's words about him fit well! And I like the "miracle", especially since there are a lot of them. What is there to "bite" about?
            2. 0
              7 June 2020 19: 28
              Strange conclusion about the morality of a girl right do not look
        2. 0
          17 May 2020 14: 49
          Quote: ccsr
          then the more dodgy crawled into the party and you were pushed aside

          What's wrong with you? Which cunning have pushed aside? In 1980, I joined the party in the village, according to the order, to accept two teachers in the region ... Where to push back?
  22. +8
    17 May 2020 13: 17
    The propaganda team consisting of Shpakovsky and Co. ... Continues to overthrow and overfulfill ...
    A society of some kind of crazy! ”

    the future belongs to the young, and you can only pray to God that they have the wit with such a crazy society never to get involved again ...

    My old men went through the war and worked honestly to the grave ... Yes, those same .. Communists .. In that very society ..
    I am a product of that very society ... In which it was customary to concede, help, defend, be responsible for words and actions in the face of my comrades, in which things that now flourish with terry mold were condemned and condemned and eradicated ... beyond the threshold of the house ... That from which it became impossible to protect the children .. That which climbs from the TV screens directly into our houses ...
    Cases only proved that they were fighting this, but now it’s total and massive ...
    And the photos of the materials would not hurt, otherwise few people believe Shpakovsky’s word ..
    As soon as I think that he teaches at a university, it becomes scary ...
    1. 0
      17 May 2020 13: 24
      Quote: Slavs
      I am a product of that very society ... In which it was customary to concede, help, protect, be responsible for words and actions in the face of my comrades

      And all were like you?
      1. +2
        17 May 2020 13: 32
        By orders of magnitude more than now ... Now - exactly the opposite ..
        1. -1
          17 May 2020 13: 33
          Quote: Slavs
          By orders of magnitude more than now ... Now - exactly the opposite ..

          You did not answer the question, were everyone like you or not?
          1. +4
            17 May 2020 13: 35
            I answered your question, but you most likely lost a little acuity in the perception of the Russian language ...
            Long in Israel?
      2. +1
        17 May 2020 14: 08
        Quote: Arpad

        And all were like you?

        And you look in the mirror and see the answer.
    2. 0
      17 May 2020 14: 41
      Quote: Slavs
      And the photos of the materials would not hurt, otherwise few people believe Shpakovsky’s word ..

      Sergey, which is simpler: there are links to the document, even with the indication of pages. Write a letter to the archive: Penza, st. Volodarsky, 12A OFOPO GAPO. Order a photocopy of documents from the link. 10 p. page + postage. Inexpensive for an idea, huh? And no labor! There is also a telephone on the Web, you can call ... Everything is at the service of inquisitive researchers!
      1. +2
        17 May 2020 14: 46
        Quote: kalibr
        Everything is at the service of inquisitive researchers!

        Unfortunately, I’m leading an idle life and I don’t have the time and money to study the archives ...
        Maybe retired ... But that's not for sure.
        1. +1
          17 May 2020 15: 38
          Here you are, critics. How to blame a lie ... leave behind seven bother you. How to order in the archive for 100 rubles 10 pages + some mail, that's all. A lot of reasons not to do this. This is sad! I am more consistent in my likes and dislikes.
          1. +3
            17 May 2020 15: 43
            For me, the memories of my old people and my memory are more valuable ...
            They tell me from the archive how bad I felt then ...
            Have I clearly explained my position?
            1. +1
              17 May 2020 17: 15
              Quote: Slavs
              For me, the memories of my old people and my memory are more valuable ...
              They tell me from the archive how bad I felt then ...
              Have I clearly explained my position?

              She is wrong. And memory is imperfect. It has the peculiarity of bad pushing into the subconscious. No wonder they say that in their youth both trees are taller and apples are sweeter!
              1. 0
                18 May 2020 09: 45
                Quote: kalibr
                For me, the memories of my old people and my memory are more valuable ...
                They tell me from the archive how bad I felt then ...
                Have I clearly explained my position?

                She is wrong. And memory is imperfect. It has the peculiarity of bad pushing into the subconscious. No wonder they say that in their youth both trees are taller and apples are sweeter!

                Broadcasting the ultimate truth is a very important task ...
                1. +2
                  18 May 2020 10: 21
                  Quote: Slavs
                  And memory is imperfect. It has the peculiarity of bad pushing into the subconscious. No wonder they say that in their youth both trees are taller and apples are sweeter!

                  Is it wrong?
            2. -2
              7 June 2020 19: 30
              And your relatives are experts, I suppose
              1. 0
                7 June 2020 22: 41
                No. Contemporaries of the events described ... Not enough?
                Or more faith in the experts who describe the years of the reign of the pharaohs with the appearance of witnesses of the past days ??
  23. +2
    17 May 2020 13: 34
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, forgive me, I have been skimming your "archival articles" lately, I don’t read comments at all, but then I decided to take a closer look - what could have changed ...
    Nothing!
    The same people, the same arguments, in the end, scold and blaspheme you with the same words as six months ago and a year ago. laughing
    And now it became interesting to me - what for do you need this? You can understand Samsonov - he throws in, but he himself does not participate in the seething of the masses - apparently he is preparing the next one, but you not only constantly throw yeast into this bubbling toilet, but yourself, wasting your time, participate in the process ... I did not even name would it be a discussion ... Have you not yet lost the hope of convincing someone of something, to prove something to someone? In my opinion, all positions have been defined long ago, the characters are known, you can already make a table, such as "Network alias - Typical arguments - Favorite curses" - so much has been repeated. smile
    There was even a "seditious" thought that in such a "cruel" way you are trying to induce your opponents to create, they say, using the same materials (for example, the same Pravda newspaper) try to compose a series of articles that is opposite to yours in content and ideological orientation .. It is theoretically possible. If so, something is not working yet - opponents are limited to comments. laughing
    You know, I do not share your unambiguous assessment of the Soviet period in the history of our country, I am for objectivity - it was both bad and good, something was worse than others, something was better, in something it was ahead, in somehow lagged behind, and you yourself all perfectly understand this. And you also know that I consider the disputes on this topic useless, because they immediately run into issues not of knowledge, but of beliefs, rather, even an irrational belief in one’s rightness. So it became interesting to me: do you have any goal that you pursue by publishing and, most importantly, actively accompanying these materials?
    By the way, if you intend to continue this series, you can try to contact the archives of the criminal courts. In them there are much more materials suitable for publications of this orientation - in every criminal case a villain is a villain, a scoundrel is a scoundrel, alcoholics, thieves, and other scum, but it will be more interesting to read, nevertheless, as a author, you will also have a detective component able to interest the reader in it, thus expanding the circle of their audience ... smile
    hi
    1. +3
      17 May 2020 13: 55
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      toss yeast into this bubbling toilet

      How subtly did you mix all those who disagree with manure ... You are certainly higher)) Also from 20% ??
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      using the same materials (for example, the same Pravda newspaper) try to compose a series of articles opposite to your

      Many people work here and there is no time to collect, analyze, compile and write articles ...
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      opponents are limited to comments.

      Alas...
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      I consider the disputes on this topic useless, because they immediately run into issues not of knowledge, but of beliefs, rather, even an irrational belief in one’s rightness.

      This is not the Middle Ages, many remember and know that they are right ... It's like the movie "Cargo 200" - what happened in every house? But the director hinted that in each ..
      As for the fact that here we are a bubbling outhouse ... For several years now I have been observing under the articles of Shpakovsky Trilobit, Olgovich, 3x3, maybe I missed someone ... It seems to be interesting interlocutors, they are not stupid, educated, but because of your self-love and mutual flattery, it’s already nauseating ...
      But hardly at your height a weak voice from the toilet will be heard, and even without scientific degrees ...
      1. +3
        17 May 2020 14: 52
        Quote: Slavs
        But hardly at your height a weak voice from the toilet will be heard, and even without scientific degrees ...

        Why? You see that I personally always answer all reasonable questions, do not I? That's all rudeness ... no. Or as it is written, and answered!
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 14: 56
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, it was this particular comment of mine that was addressed to the Trilobite Master ...
          1. +2
            17 May 2020 15: 27
            I hope Michael will answer. I have already answered.
      2. +5
        17 May 2020 15: 06
        Incredible, but true: he is heard!
        I will say for myself, since you mentioned half of my nickname.
        1. Perhaps, due to your observation, you had the opportunity to notice that I have repeatedly stated that I did not share some of the socio-political imperatives of Shpakovsky. And it is under similar materials.
        2. I do not agree with the Pareto law.
        3. I do not have academic degrees, moreover, even higher education. Nevertheless, we respect the people you listed.
        4. The list of "admirers of Shpakovsky's work" is far from complete, and I assure you, there are no joke passions in this "get-together".
        5. None of Shpakovsky's opponents (under materials similar to this one) put forward a single argument in defense of their position, except: "Under Soviet rule, everything was fine, and Shpakovsky was a scoundrel and a renegade."
        6. I am ready to discuss with any member of the forum mutually interesting issues of history. Do you understand how to live one day in 1400 Paris? I, in part, understand, but "The Master of the Trilobite" understands the same thing about Veliky Novgorod, model 1200.
        7. I am grateful to Shpakovsky for my acquaintance and friendship with smart, good people.
      3. +8
        17 May 2020 15: 16
        Quote: Slavs
        you mixed all those who disagree with manure

        In this case, by the term "bubbling toilet" I did not mean a discussion of this article, and not even a discussion of the entire cycle, but in general that crack in society when alone (mainly the ones that ruined their state - the USSR with their indifference and stupidity) breathlessly recall how good it was under socialism, although thirty years ago most of them stood up for change, neighing to tears over Khazanov, Petrosyan and Zadornov (who was forged into a patriot much later), and on the other hand, apologists for capitalism with its "Western values ". So you completely in vain took it personally and at the expense of the rest of the participants in this, if I may say so, "discussion".
        Quote: Slavs
        Many work here.

        Many ... But even more, it seems to me (and this is just the most active part of users), those who are not actively working already are pensioners. What is stopping them?
        Quote: Slavs
        Alas...

        With them, and in the late eighties - early nineties was "alas". You can't say otherwise.
        About
        Quote: Slavs
        from your narcissism and mutual flattery is already nauseating ...

        Unfortunately, I can’t help with anything. Mutual respect and sympathy that some users here have for each other make us adhere to certain rules in communication and resolve controversial, debatable issues to emphasize respectfully and correctly. If the form of communication is more important to you than its content (and it, despite the lack of expressive expressions, is often quite sharp), then, I repeat, I can’t help.
        Well, about the "weak voice from the toilet" you wrote in vain. Here all voices sound equally loud, so only the content of what is said matters. And everyone decides for himself where to broadcast from.
        1. +5
          17 May 2020 15: 35
          Bravo, Michael !!!
          1. +4
            18 May 2020 10: 20
            Anton, let me stick to you? hi
            and Shpakovsky - a bastard and a renegade

            "We'll stick a dazibao on his ass!" (as bequeathed to V.S. Vysotsky). laughing
            I read the forum ... Awful. With such "patriots" and enemies are not necessary, to be honest. hi
            I also ask you to put me on the list of "specified admirers". Just because I am grateful to all of you for the communication. hi
        2. +3
          17 May 2020 17: 09
          In this case, by the term "bubbling toilet" I did not mean a discussion of this article, and not even a discussion of the entire cycle, but in general that crack in society
          - that is, the main goal of the author of the article is still clear to you :?)
          1. +5
            17 May 2020 17: 21
            The author replied, see the comment below. And I understand him.
            And what goal does the author pursue in your opinion? Separate people? To convince someone of something? Do not tell - who and what can be convinced here?
            About twenty years later, most of those who are present here for one reason or another will lose the opportunity to publish their comments, others will take their place and the topic of controversy will disappear as the USSR disappeared. In the meantime, why not have fun? smile
            1. +3
              17 May 2020 17: 53
              The author below answered you just what you were ready to hear from him :). Alas, what is entertainment for some can often create serious problems for others ... And about "persuading" you, of course, are right: everyone enters into polemics with the previously established attitude, but did not meet anyone who was persuaded would be communication on the site :)). And, playing on emotions is clearly not a conviction :)). Of course, in 20 years, other emotionally charged topics are likely to appear, and those who accidentally look into the current holivar may form their attitude not only towards commentators, albeit based on just a cursory glance at their comments :).
    2. +2
      17 May 2020 14: 37
      Dear Michael! You rightly put everything on the shelves. But ... contact the criminal court archive - start all over again. I don `t want! Two archives from me is enough. The materials published here can be used to write books. Participation in the comments ... Have you thought about the fact that I may just be bored? My life is pretty monotonous and I need to fill up the time with something, while the Anti-Plagiarism program considers the novelty of the next text. Then Mendeleev, it seems, noted that polemics hone the mind, argument, and phraseology. You yourself, to me, for example, what an excellent epigraph they gave me and not you alone! So everything remains as it is. What hands reach, then the matter and go. But then again it’s boring to write about the same thing ... So the topics will be very diverse.
      1. +3
        17 May 2020 15: 19
        Quote: kalibr
        didn’t think that I might just be bored?

        I confess that it was precisely this thought that did not occur to me, although the motives for participating in many discussions are similar. smile
        Yes, so everything falls into place. Indeed, everything is simple. smile
    3. BAI
      +9
      17 May 2020 15: 06
      And I was wondering - what for do you need this?

      The number of comments must be typed. You can't lift that much on a dollhouse. The author positions himself as a specialist in PR technologies. So we see: "Everything for him, everything for him. Everything for one PR."
      1. +2
        17 May 2020 15: 29
        No, I already looked. The difference is small - 232 and 254, but the number of views is relatively small: in the first case 3197, in the second 4113. But more than 26 thousand read about the explosion of the battleship. What does this mean? That there is people's interest in certain events, but such topics are collected by many commentators (most often the same ones), but less interested. But they are also needed - people speak out in the comments and this is a discharge for many.
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 17: 11
          Judging by the results, what you call "release" is quite similar to "kindling".
        2. BAI
          +1
          17 May 2020 18: 49
          The difference is small - 232 and 254,

          Already 232 and 356.
          1. +2
            17 May 2020 21: 11
            So it’s going in the right direction!
  24. -1
    17 May 2020 14: 01
    Quote: Stas157
    With clean water, by the way!

    With clean? Yes, there is so much vomit, mud and corpses that a normal cow will not drink! Although for the "homo sovecticus", apparently, this water is sacred!
    1. -1
      17 May 2020 22: 05
      kalibr (Vyacheslav)
      Yes there are vomit, mud and corpses so much that a normal cow will not drink!
      A very accurate and capacious definition of your creativity from your own lips. In fact, all your creativity = VOMIT!
  25. -3
    17 May 2020 14: 43
    Quote: Slavs
    it becomes scary ...
    Reply

    That's it ... Fear!
    1. +7
      17 May 2020 15: 10
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, here many have fought back already, some in the 80s, some in the 90s, someone in the 00s got ...
      1. +1
        17 May 2020 15: 23
        Then why is it scary to write? Don’t be afraid!
  26. BAI
    +9
    17 May 2020 14: 51
    And how does the author differ from the above persons? He also crawled into the party for material benefits (but he did not risk life in the war to defend his homeland). And as soon as it became profitable - instantly betrayed (sold). Why not Vlasov? I think that the author is so enthusiastically pouring dirt on the CPSU in order to morally justify his betrayal. Such a certain traitor complex: I’m not like that - time is like that, everyone is like that, but I’m really nothing against their background.
    By the way, at the expense of pederasty. Let the author go to the archives of the ROC so dear to his heart and look there. Best of all - Tver Diocese
    1. -4
      17 May 2020 15: 09
      And you go there? That is, you had to hold on to what ... what collapsed, what turned out to be not viable? You yourself are scribbling this from the dugout of the partisan detachment "Back to the USSR", blowing up the regime trains, putting up leaflets, right? And Vlasov ... Vlasov is to blame only for the fact that he lost! Betrayal is always disgusting when it ends in failure. Successful betrayal is admirable! Remember this if you didn't know it. If (well, so, hypothetically), he would not have lost, then he could well have been one of the founders of the new Russia.
      1. +10
        17 May 2020 15: 39
        Quote: kalibr
        Successful betrayal is admirable! Remember, this is if you did not know.

        Behind the betrayal is death, those who honestly do their duty ...
        You do not blurt out in the presence of veterans ...
        You are already talking.
        1. +2
          17 May 2020 16: 06
          Here, I agree!
        2. -1
          17 May 2020 16: 32
          Quote: Slavs
          You are already talking.

          You just don't know the story well. Again, I had an article here about the Battle of Sekigahara. There it is about the fate of many traitors, and as the most important of them, as a result, he became a god and an object of respect for the whole nation. And the same Talleyrand? ... And he died in his bed, surrounded by honor and respect. So there is not everything as clear as it seems.
          1. +7
            17 May 2020 17: 01
            Quote: kalibr
            You just don't know the story well.

            You do not know much about war.
            The concept of betrayal is only one meaning. There is no other.
            I am stopping the discussion on this issue, I do not want to be rude to you in plain text.
            1. 0
              17 May 2020 17: 03
              Quote: Slavs
              I do not want to be rude to you in plain text.

              Already good! But you are wrong that war and history are one and the same in essence. The losers are always to blame, the winners are always right that they do not do.
            2. +2
              17 May 2020 18: 33
              Worthy! I respect You are a great conversationalist !!!
              1. 0
                17 May 2020 19: 04
                And you are Anton, although you regret that you do not have a higher education. Many people have it here ... But it is bad with convolutions in the head.
            3. -2
              7 June 2020 19: 38
              I know that successful betrayal is heroism, and morality is not necessary, history claims the opposite, the same Stalin betrayed everyone
        3. +3
          17 May 2020 17: 14
          Seryoga, you stop the author from hacking the next Overton windows :!))
      2. +4
        17 May 2020 16: 31
        And here you are wrong, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Vlasov, not abstract Judas or Mark Junius Brutus. He violated the oath. However, like Paulus.
        1. 0
          17 May 2020 16: 43
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          And here you are wrong, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Vlasov, not abstract Judas or Mark Junius Brutus. He violated the oath. However, like Paulus.

          Yes, Anton! Violated! Like so many others, there are too many to list. And lost. Therefore, his betrayal deserves condemnation. But, Anton ... Doesn’t they almost always write on VO here: WINNERS WRITE HISTORY? Is there such a thing? There is. And I wrote ... hypothetically, he was among the winners. What would happen then, huh? Would nothing have changed in the ratings? I doubt it very much!
          1. +4
            17 May 2020 17: 04
            There is one more postulate. "History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood" You sometimes sin with this.
            1. +2
              17 May 2020 17: 12
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              You, at times, sin with this.

              Today it is no longer a sin, but a science - cliometrics, which more and more often considers what "would be".
              1. +2
                17 May 2020 17: 21
                Not yet science, a nascent applied discipline. Studies of bifurcation points. I read about it.
          2. +4
            17 May 2020 19: 32
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            And here you are wrong, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Vlasov, not abstract Judas or Mark Junius Brutus. He violated the oath. However, like Paulus.

            Yes, Anton! Violated! Like so many others, there are too many to list. And lost. Therefore, his betrayal deserves condemnation. But, Anton ... Doesn’t they almost always write on VO here: WINNERS WRITE HISTORY? Is there such a thing? There is. And I wrote ... hypothetically, he was among the winners. What would happen then, huh? Would nothing have changed in the ratings? I doubt it very much!

            Foolish !!! and here the winner is present ... and even writes the story. And what is the victory ?, and suddenly the next grimace of history and, what then, what will we do, to whom do we climb into anal ??? accustomed to tasty?
      3. BAI
        +2
        17 May 2020 19: 04
        Successful betrayal is admirable!

        In time to betray, is this not treason, but scientific foresight? You can express yourself in more scientific ways.
        But here a number of questions arise.
        1. You yourself write:
        True, this time the names of the defendants will be changed, since 70 years have not passed since that time.

        Those. limitation periods are relevant. At the same time, you have repeatedly argued that this information is from a closed fund, i.e. - secret. Is the bar removed? You here somehow fought for the legality of using the image, but what about
        Criminal Code Article 283. The disclosure of state secrets

        1. The disclosure of information constituting a state secret by a person to whom she was entrusted or became known through service, work, study, or in other cases stipulated by the legislation of the Russian Federation, if this information became the property of other persons, in the absence of signs of crimes provided for in Articles 275 and 276 of this Code, -
        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 12.11.2012 N 190-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        Shall be punishable by arrest for a term of four to six months or by imprisonment for a term of up to four years, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years or without it.
        2. The same act, which entailed through negligence grave consequences, -
        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 25.06.1998 N 92-FZ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        is punished by imprisonment for the term from three up to seven years with deprivation of the right to hold certain posts or to engage in certain activities for up to three years.

        ?

        Are the documents stamped with a date and signature (or something like that)?
        2. There are rules for the use of archival information. And you should know them.
        It reads:
        Forms of publication of archival documents are: printed (series, collection, album, booklet, poster, publication in the media), publication on film media (microfilm, microfiche), electronic (hypertext, multimedia, database).

        Archives carry out activities to ensure the research and technical processes for preparing documentary publications: the formation of an editorial board, a team of drafters, the preparation of organizational and methodological documents, conclusion of an agreement with interested organizations and publishers, etc.


        Prepared and edited the manuscript undergoes internal and external review and is discussed by the scientific advisory body of the archivehaving the right to recommend it for publication. A manuscript is considered prepared if, in accordance with the established requirements, it has been finalized according to the comments of reviewers and the results of the discussion and approved for publication.

        Is there a publication contract? Was Pasquville discussed in the archive? If not, draw your own conclusions about who you are and how to set up the site administration, taking advantage of their incompetence.
        1. 0
          17 May 2020 21: 05
          Quote: BAI
          Is there a publication contract? Was Pasquville discussed in the archive? If not, draw your own conclusions about who you are and how to set up the site administration, taking advantage of their incompetence.

          For the future ... everything that is issued in the archive is allowed for use. And if the names are not indicated, then this is just reinsurance, for all conceivable and inconceivable cases. But articles in the archive are not discussed, raving is not necessary. Everything that you highlighted in your text is relevant only to scientific articles published in refereed publications. Here you can publish anything you want.
          1. BAI
            -1
            17 May 2020 22: 57
            everything that is issued in the archive is allowed for use.

            Don't write nonsense. If you have access to classified information, this does not mean at all that you can disclose this information. If it were scientific, technical or military information, you can easily retrain from Article 283 to Article 275 and 276 - "Treason" and "Espionage".
            1. +2
              18 May 2020 06: 17
              Quote: BAI
              Don't write nonsense. If you have access to classified information, this does not mean at all that you can disclose this information. If it were scientific, technical or military information, you can easily retrain from Article 283 to Article 275 and 276 - "Treason" and "Espionage".

              Give you the address of the FSB in the Penza region, or do you find it yourself on the Internet? And forward, call, write, expose ... Flag in hand! Even two, two hands ...
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      1. +2
        17 May 2020 18: 25
        Quote: ccsr
        A vile type, that’s why this scammer must be exposed so that everyone understands how he is lying and do not believe his writings.

        I already gave the address and archive of the OFOPO GAPO and gave the number of the case and page, but when I invited the two whistleblowers to write there and expose, for some reason they refused. Now you go there too ... Come on, but only yourself, you don't have to wait for someone to come and do the work for you. Give the address of the archive, or find it yourself in the comments? And ... "Forward to the victory of communism and proletarian internationalism!"
      2. +2
        17 May 2020 18: 29
        Quote: ccsr
        This type is well known to everyone, following the example of Rezun - a typical traitor who didn’t kill anyone, but did a dirty trick on our country and our history by publishing his lies in mass circulation, speculating on the topic of interest in the work of the GRU.

        In fact, Rezin's work aroused an unheard-of interest in our history, and in particular, in the history of the Second World War. Clever people, clearly not like you, understood this very well, why they allowed his books to be published in mass circulation, although it was very easy to prohibit this. As a result, the level of awareness of our citizens has grown significantly. This, by the way, is one of the PR techniques - the impact of the opposite. And there is one more - "the best advertisement is a scandal!"
        1. +1
          18 May 2020 11: 03
          Quote: kalibr
          Clever people, clearly not a couple to you, understood this well, why they allowed him to print books in mass runs,

          These illiterate people believed in the nonsense that he laid out in his books - you simply are not in the subject. And the publisher, to cut money, absolutely no matter what you write there - the main thing is that the books diverge. Now you have a stagnation in sales, and you started to promote them at VO, knowing that there are many visits to the site by various people.
          Quote: kalibr
          In fact, the work of Rezina has caused an unprecedented interest in our history, and in particular, in the history of the Second World War.

          Again, lying - Rezun's first book did not enjoy any popularity at all, and only the published "Aquarium" attracted attention to him, and there nothing is written about the history of the Second World War. At least you shouldn't cheat in this - I will quickly bring you to clean water.
          Quote: kalibr
          And there is one more - "the best advertisement is a scandal!"

          So write on TV, tell how you or you cheated on someone, or you are a grandson of Trotsky, or helped Yeltsin in the elections and the sale of your books will skyrocket. What was the matter?
          1. +1
            18 May 2020 11: 34
            Quote: ccsr
            At least you do not cheat on this - I’ll quickly take you to clean water.

            Bad you are a hatcher, however. I wrote to you about the archive, why don’t you get it?
            And the fact that Rezun's books aroused an unheard-of interest in Russian history until that time, everyone knows. I have to deceive the "little ones" - not to respect myself!
            1. +2
              18 May 2020 12: 17
              Quote: kalibr
              Bad you are a hatcher, however. I wrote to you about the archive, why don’t you get it?

              Again distorted - it was about Rezun and that he was famous for his historical studies, which turned out to be false.
              Quote: kalibr
              And the fact that Rezun’s books caused an unprecedented interest in Russian history up to that time is well known to everyone.

              His most popular book is "Aquarium", and you are not in the subject here either. And she is about his service in the GRU General Staff, and not about the history of the Second World War
              Quote: kalibr
              I have to deceive the "little ones" - not to respect myself!

              Nevertheless, you are a patented thimble.
          2. +2
            18 May 2020 11: 35
            Quote: ccsr
            or helped Yeltsin in the elections and the sale of your books will skyrocket

            So I’ll tell you, not all at once. Be patient ...

  27. +5
    17 May 2020 15: 18
    Mass as an end in itself, the adoption of insufficiently verified people in the party, the lack of cohesion, sincere fidelity and internal vigilance among its members is a fatal diagnosis. An organization striving to change society should not be part of the old, vicious society, it should be its judge and executioner, otherwise it will inevitably decompose.
    1. +2
      17 May 2020 15: 21
      Very well said!
  28. +1
    17 May 2020 16: 17
    An article to excuse the current situation and power. Justification of the current mass theft and corruption in the state.
  29. +6
    17 May 2020 16: 32
    What a vile scribble. There was a lot of things, but what the author writes about was anecdotal cases, exceptions to the rules.
  30. +1
    17 May 2020 17: 01
    Rotten little article.
    Some people "Vaska gave up drinking and plowing, broke away from the people, that's a bastard," while others, on the contrary, "that's a great fellow," and in the CPSU there were more of the latter than the former.
    And the accountant stole saucepans, not from the net, but from greed. It's like a robber for a dime, an old woman stabbed - ten old women are already a rupee.
    In general, when presenting the facts, it is not necessary to interpret them, the readers themselves will figure out "what is good and what is bad."
  31. +3
    17 May 2020 18: 55
    At half of the commentators, it seems that the grandfathers in the Gulag worked as navels. You can’t drink the spiritual legacy.
  32. +4
    17 May 2020 18: 57
    Perhaps I have not read the worst article on VO yet. From some facts, the author is trying to impose a theory on readers. And when readers disagree, the author violently attacks those who disagree with his phobia.
    1. -2
      17 May 2020 20: 58
      In my opinion, readers violently attack the author, and when he offers them specific actions ... they refuse.
  33. +7
    17 May 2020 21: 11
    For some reason, I recalled a picture from the Internet. what
  34. +4
    17 May 2020 22: 14
    Twenty-five again ...
    My grandfather Belyakov Alexey Ilyich is from a dispossessed family.
    He went to the front, was wounded twice, has / had (died in '83) awards. There he joined the ranks of the Communist Party.
    At the end of the Second World War, he was demobilized, moved to live in Crimea. With family. He worked as a driver. Repeatedly elected as a deputy of the council of the town of Primorsky / Feodosia City Council. What else can be discussed here? ...
    People worked for the Idea, people were entrusted with a certain responsibility.
    Although, why am I writing this ... New time, new songs. The main thing...
    Now, some girl students need to prove something ....
    1. +2
      17 May 2020 22: 40
      I will add the following (did not pass in the comment above).
      Grandfather, in spite of his situation, was treated and lay in a hospital and a hospital in the town of Primorsky. I mean, there was a private hospital. I personally visited the patient.
      Today, there is no longer a hospital. There are now guesthouses for gentlemen vacationers ....
    2. 0
      7 June 2020 19: 43
      You can’t eat the idea
  35. for
    +1
    17 May 2020 23: 54
    However, the most interesting personal matter we have to read now.

    How do you like digging in dirty laundry.
    "And now the most cimus" diapers "
    Then complain west.
  36. +4
    18 May 2020 00: 31
    Quote: kalibr
    In my opinion, readers violently attack the author, and when he offers them specific actions ... they refuse.

    You are my God !!! Readers of fools do not want to go into archives (enlighten), and only the author drinks, drinks, drinks the truth from the source, and fools do not even want to read the author’s great discoveries.
    Comrade Do not try to behave more modestly! So the crown can crush the head!
    Once again for the author. The material does not contain anything new or serious.
    Not that in the archives, but simply on the IM site there are a lot of documents giving a complete picture of that complex, ambiguous, but heroic era. Or really find something new, or calm down and stop distracting readers from discussing your opus.
    1. +3
      18 May 2020 11: 38
      Quote: Assyrian
      Once again for the author. The material does not contain anything new or serious.

      I completely agree. Not only is it biased in the selection of facts, but one should not forget that the analysis of a drop of sea water will not be able to reflect all the processes taking place in the sea.
      1. +2
        18 May 2020 13: 56
        Quote: ccsr
        analysis of a drop of sea water will not be able to reflect all the processes taking place in the sea.

        There are exceptions to every rule.
        One so-called. "Comrade Shpakovsky's article compels us to judge him as a historian, publicist, teacher, and then on the list of who he represents himself. hi
    2. +1
      20 May 2020 11: 13
      Quote: Assyrian
      Once again for the author. The material does not contain anything new or serious.

      And then what came to him 556 comments?
  37. +2
    18 May 2020 03: 22
    Imagine that someone from their corns was right and well fed, and someone from their bedsores is poor and hungry?

    This, as it seems to me, not at first glance important thought in this text most of all characterizes the message, the leitmotif of the whole composition - never again! Meanwhile, the callous country was fighting to ensure that labor results were shared honestly, and not on the basis of which of whom was born.
    I will not make claims to children's links to an unpublished archive that has not been put into scientific circulation. We take on faith all the materials on party affairs.
    At the end of the text, the epic student repeats with a refrain "is he sick?"
    No, not sick. But contagious. Why is another question.

    Let's get back to the main point.
    It is the corpus callosum of the country that massively fought to ensure that labor results are shared honestly, and not on the basis of which of whom was born. The country drove out a slave, a thief, a bribe taker, a state embezzler, and, most importantly, a robber of socialist property.
    What is important - the party is the advanced detachment of the proletariat fighting for its liberation. And who is suitable for the advance detachment, and who is not the detachment itself and decides.
    Here Khrushchev and his accomplices from the same detachment announced the victory of the proletariat, so the proletariat fought and stopped. And ceasing automatically lost.
    But the author continues in one way or another stubbornly to prove that communism is a utopia. No, communism is one of the options for the development of human society. Moreover, scientifically predicted and experimentally proven. Another option is the destruction of the planet by devouring and turning into a commodity capitalism, a society built on the principle of self-increasing value. The only cure for it is capitalism itself is nurturing a new type of economic relationship.
  38. +4
    18 May 2020 07: 28
    Strange logic in the author. He condemns the stolen pots and meat grinder from children (and rightly), but he demands that he who stole the party documents and commit the forgery, reinstate in the party after his imprisonment! To morally compensate for what? He was condemned unjustly. Rehabilitated, here is moral compensation. And to restore the party that committed fraud in its ranks is nonsense!
    But the author advocated the purity of the ranks of the party. What a mess in the author’s head!
  39. +4
    18 May 2020 09: 10
    Quote: Old Tankman
    What a mess in the author’s head!

    But he teaches !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then we are surprised at the low level of knowledge of history among young people.
    1. -5
      18 May 2020 15: 51
      Quote: Assyrian
      But he teaches !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then we are surprised at the low level of knowledge of history among young people.

      So you do not evaluate the level of professional suitability, right? Who are you by education and specialty? Here and evaluate. And you don’t have to climb into someone else’s garden.
      1. +1
        21 May 2020 09: 01
        About the level of professional suitability. we have a problem with that. Michael! My daughter studied at a school where there was a young director who wanted to improve her education. The shots were inert .. my daughter went to Eaglet. She was there for a shift, they did not have a dz, but she learned EVERYTHING in the lessons and after arriving for another month at school did nothing! Here is the difference in frames, in the level of feed. If the experience of training from the teachers of their Orlyonok was passed on to our teachers in the cities, then ... For them, they need to create their own advanced training camp.
  40. +1
    18 May 2020 10: 54
    Quote: kalibr
    I love people who are undemanding and simple. And the government also loves such people. She gave them all this and their support is provided to her! "Six" - well, how ... "thing"!

    The authorities did not give me anything (except for an apartment, it was supposed to be a military man). And I don't need your love - I haven't changed my orientation. This is your habit of substituting yourself. And I myself earned my awards where your brethren were afraid to even look - "mowed" 100. "Six" is a thing. At that time it was normal. It was fine with me. But the "six", as you alas, did not. Flag in your hands and a drum on your neck "Kolya from Urengoy".
    1. -4
      18 May 2020 15: 53
      And so you are one of those with crocodiles flying? But judging by the comments low! It happens!
      1. +4
        18 May 2020 17: 39
        Quote: kalibr
        And so you are one of those with crocodiles flying?

        "This is shallow, Hobotov" (c) - I don't see the brilliance of thought, so verbal diarrhea ...
        1. -5
          18 May 2020 18: 05
          You don't have it at all, and nevertheless, with your help, we already have 515 comments. The more there are not, the more attractive the material looks. Well, how not to look, "why are people swearing there", well, then technology comes into play and people get acquainted with a variety of advertisements. Protection? Oh yes ... it can be put, but it does not completely block it. So the work goes on!
  41. +2
    18 May 2020 11: 35
    Have you checked illegal mass rehabilitation after 1953? And then at the end of the 80s they just took things in batches and simply declared all innocent. Although the first review of cases was still in 1939 under Beria, and what was left after it with a very high probability is not fabricated.

    In addition, the same Bolsheviks did not think of declaring the same Alexander Ulyanov to be unlawfully repressed, because, although he was a hero, the laws forbade attempts to be made. And what to do with those who were convicted on the 58th with all the proofs, but then simply declared innocent, because they were against the Soviet regime?

    And the author would tell about himself, time says that the majority, then was in the know, and he was engaged.
  42. +2
    18 May 2020 18: 09
    Quote: kalibr
    So are you one of those with crocodiles flying? But judging by the comments low! It happens!

    Such as you are not even given such flights. Your destiny is the eternal swimming in the ice hole.
    1. -1
      20 May 2020 11: 11
      Quote: begemot20091
      Such as you are not even given such flights.

      I won’t even envy. It’s better to swim in the hole than to be a flying crocodile!
  43. +3
    19 May 2020 20: 49
    “Is he crazy? Climb into the party after what this power did to him! .. "-" Well, he really wanted to ... "-" Some kind of nonsense! Everything that happened is absolutely unreal, like a bad dream. A society of some kind of crazy! ”


    Oh, how complicated it is and you opened only a small touch, but how many similar cases were there?
    1. 0
      20 May 2020 11: 15
      Yes, Victor! In these boxes, there are dozens, hundreds in the photo (I won’t write about thousands, I don’t know) the tragedies of the most diverse associated with that era. And you need to know this, so as not to happen again!
      1. +3
        20 May 2020 12: 53
        Not just knowing, but telling our children, only explaining why it was then, why people believed that today young people cannot even imagine how many parasites there were on this faith, other opportunists and dependents.
  44. +1
    20 May 2020 11: 21
    Quote: kalibr
    It’s better to swim in the hole

    this is definitely better. "it" does not sink. Born to shit, cannot fly by definition.
  45. +1
    20 May 2020 11: 31
    Quote: EvilLion
    And the author would have told about himself, if he says that the majority, then he was in the know, and he himself was engaged.

    So people like him wrote denunciations. People like him committed these iniquities. Oh! then, suddenly, they saw the light. At first they hid the party card in their underpants - they did not know where else to take it out - and then they burned it. Well, it has become not fashionable to be a member of the CPSU. They pushed stones all over the country to the innocent victims and now groan near them, receiving grants from foreign NGOs. Only those killed and exiled are known from the same ignorant. I grew up in the north. I saw these "unfortunates", exiled from Kovel, Exactly. In the 70s they returned to their "nenko", and a year later - back. Oh, the neighbors burned a new hut. They remembered that he was a policeman. But that was long ago ... Have pity on the wretched one. Head the club was from near the city of Dragobych.
    1. -2
      20 May 2020 14: 33
      You are not here on the parade ground, my dear, and you have already shown the level of your intelligence by declaring that "such people are not allowed into the archives." So calm down and live out what was released to you peacefully. Anyway, you can not change absolutely anything!
      1. +1
        25 May 2020 10: 39
        Quote: kalibr
        So calm down and live peacefully released to you

        I will let you go forward. And, about intelligence - I really have not studied in your bursa. For our generation, such universities were not quoted somehow. And, according to this, the gyrus did not straighten with age.
        1. 0
          25 May 2020 11: 14
          Quote: begemot20091
          I really did not study in your bursa

          You said it well. He was still a poddyushnik ... But there is such a thing as self-education. And you can’t learn for the rest of your life even at the best university. Even the military ...
          1. +1
            25 May 2020 13: 14
            Quote: kalibr
            And you can’t learn for the rest of your life even at the best university. Even the military ...

            I graduated from the military in 72 days. well, and self-education ????? If my 1st or 2nd year student wrote something like that, or God forbid, a graduate student ... I would have driven me to the conductor. Your self-education, like the level of intelligence, reminds me of an old anecdote = from E. Piekha to go to .... Readers of your "opus" have noted this more than once above. I wish the weekend in your mental hospital ends soon. Flag in your hands and a drum around your neck P / S. In Ukraine, now Gordon collects a circle of fake shooters. Your article is a chance of getting on this Mr. nd's playlist.
            1. 0
              25 May 2020 13: 54
              You cannot be so self-confident and think that you are the best. I have 43 books under my belt in the USSR, Russia, England and Germany. In the most famous publishers. And more than 2000 articles in the magazines of the USSR, Russia, England, Australia, USA, Czech Republic, Bulgaria ... Japan, Ukraine, in the journal "Science and Technology", but what about ... I am there, by the way, a member of the editorial board of this magazine ... And everything was OK everywhere. And only you alone see through everything, and the others are all stupid? It doesn't work that way, dear. So your opinion, alas, cannot be considered worthy of attention. Although clicks, yes, clicks from you are useful to the site and to me. So go ahead.
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  47. 0
    13 July 2020 00: 56
    But the indicated comrade probably also knew about the article for “non-traditional orientation” and for the fact that he would be immediately chased out of the party if he got caught. He knew, he could not but know. But the "call of nature" was stronger. These are people, and there were many of them, whether we like it or not

    Dear, at that time and in the West they did not stroke the head for this.
    Homosexuality ceased to be a crime in the UK in 1967, Austria 1971, France 1982!
    And then the damned communists sent a man to the bunk in 1963.
    Before writing something, the author needs to enter the topic a bit
  48. 0
    13 July 2020 01: 08
    First we take to the party ... a worker without education, then it turns out that he is stealing and getting drunk. A woman steals from children! What morality do you need to have in order to do this? But she went for the sake of several pots. What is this talking about? About the extreme poverty of our then "homo sovieticus", in the eyes of which even a couple of pots and a free meat grinder - "and that bread!"

    I read above that the author has many written books. It is very strange why then such stupid conclusions - if they steal, then from poverty. A MAN STEALING BAD LIES. Regardless of how they live. PSYCHOLOGY SUCH.
    I worked at a factory in the 80s, salaries of 300-400, but each strove to steal something home. From poverty ?!
    Bullshit.

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