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Not as planned: Saudi strategists defeated in oil war

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Muhammad ibn Salman Al Saud and Vladimir Putin. Source: gazeta.ru


War and Vision 2030


As you know, in March of this year, a conflict occurred between the two largest oil producing countries, Russia and Saudi Arabia. Russia refused to reduce oil production in order to keep the price in the region of $ 50 per barrel, to which the Saudis responded with a full-fledged economic war. Initially, Saudi Aramco dropped selling prices for its own oil for Europe, the main consumer of Russian hydrocarbons. At the same time, the conditions for buyers among the Saudis were simply unprecedented: it was possible to pay for oil three months after the conclusion of the contract, while receiving up to $ 11 discount per barrel. This led in March and April to the fact that oil supplies from the Middle East to some ports in Europe increased two to three times due to a reduction in Russian supplies. Immediately, many analysts began shouting about the defeat of Vladimir Putin’s strategy, about the perspicacious Arabs and the imminent end of Russia's financial system.


Processing facilities of Saudi Aramco. Source: sharespro.ru

However, already in early May, the Minister of Finance of Saudi Arabia Mohammed al-Jadaan officially announced tough economic measures, to which the well-fed population of the state was not at all accustomed to. The crisis into which the kingdom’s economy is slipping, according to al-Jadaan, is unprecedented in scale. On this basis, VAT from July 1 rises to 15% (which is relatively small), and the individual monthly allowance of 1000 reais is also canceled. This amount at one time was supposed to just compensate for the previous five percent VAT, that is, the real financial burden on citizens increases immediately by 15 percent. points.


Vision 2030, a Saudi strategy that is unlikely to succeed in the new realities. Source: ajgalvez.com

Obviously, such unpopular measures undermine the ratings of Crown Prince Muhammad ibn Salman Al Saud, as well as jeopardize the Vision 2030 strategy. This innovative product is the brainchild of the Crown Prince and is aimed at diversifying the state’s economy, that is, avoiding total hydrocarbon dependence. This idea came to the monarch, either under the influence of world fashion, or from constantly jumping oil prices, but in the end he decided that by 2030 Saudi Arabia would not be associated with oil and gas. And with what? Saudis can do little on their own, they have to buy almost everything abroad, and no one really wants to work. For many decades, the state has brought up a consumer attitude to life among citizens, severely restricting them to the norms of Wahhabism. From the very beginning of the program, the ruling Al Saud family has placed severe restrictions on inviting workers from abroad. As a result, since 2017, at least 1 million migrant workers have left the country. In particular, if a company operating in the kingdom has more foreign workers than local workers in its state, it must pay a monthly tax of $ 107 each. The calculation was on attracting internal labor reserves, but there wasn’t much excitement. It was much easier for the average Saudi to not work at all, getting guaranteed payment from the state, than to go to low-paying and dirty work.

Not as planned: Saudi strategists defeated in oil war

Muhammad ibn Salman Al Saud. Source: vesti.ua

And now, by 2030, the crown prince decided to remove the country from the "oil needle". Certain hopes are placed on tourism. But the first tourist visas to the kingdom began to be issued only last year, and there was no particular stream of people wishing to get acquainted with the specifics of the country. Firstly, law enforcement agencies seriously restrict the freedom of visitors, including the arrest for unauthorized filming. Secondly, with the cultural and entertainment program in Saudi Arabia, to put it mildly, not really. At least, in the usual sense for a European and an American: there are no night clubs, alcohol is strictly prohibited. In this sense, the neighboring United Arab Emirates is much more democratic. Therefore, the Vision 2030 initiative from the very beginning seemed a kind of adventure on which low oil prices seemed to put an end to. The Saudis simply will not have extra money for fundamental structural transformations in the near future.

The game is not according to plan


The budget of the kingdom is calculated from the average annual oil price in the region of 70-80 dollars per barrel, which in the current conditions seems fantastic. One of the provisions of Vision 2030 now seems anecdotal, according to which Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman promised the country in 2020 a stable economy with oil at $ 30 per barrel. Moreover, the royal family is to blame for the modern dizzying peak in oil prices. First, she pumped up Europeans and Americans with cheap oil (they gladly filled all possible storages), and then a coronavirus struck, paralyzing the entire world structure of hydrocarbon consumption. And they have been spending much more in Saudi Arabia for a long time than the budget allows: for several years the country's treasury has been in short supply. If we compare the kingdom with Russia, then our state has one undeniable advantage in the form of a floating ruble exchange rate. In many respects, up to a certain point, our exporters benefit from a cheap ruble - it is easier to compete with foreign colleagues. In Saudi Arabia, the rial rate is strictly fixed, which makes the local central bank throw huge resources to maintain it during the period of cheap oil. This, by the way, may be one of the reasons why the accumulated reserves may not be enough for a long time, unless, of course, the Saudis let the national currency go free float. And again, an involuntary comparison with Russia as the main opponent in the oil war begs. The fact is that we are now far from a worldwide gas station, the share of hydrocarbon money in the budget does not exceed half. Initially, it was easier for our country to enter into a confrontation with the Saudis with their 90% dependence on oil (although 75% are said in the country itself).


Source: imgclf.112.ua

Now the reserves of Saudi Arabia are at the level of 2011 and amount to 464 billion dollars. Budget costs must be covered by external borrowings, which, of course, are not unlimited. The kingdom also has tense relations with Donald Trump over the oil war with Russia. A sharp drop in oil prices to the Americans, of course, is beneficial, but only to a certain limit and a certain time. When all the storages were full, and their own oil production began to decline due to unprofitability, the Americans had questions for the kingdom. Trump does not need dozens, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of unemployed oil workers, inside the country.


Source: rossaprimavera.ru

When the ruling family became aware of the consequences of their reckless steps, throwing began. Obviously, hoping for the power of his word, Saudi Aramco announced that it would reduce oil production not to 8,5 million barrels per day, as required by the OPEC + collusion, but to 7,5. Oil, of course, won back something, but now the Saudis have cheap oil too, and they will sell it in smaller volumes. True, in this case a simple game on the nerves is not ruled out: no one in reality will reduce production. Additional risk factors for the kingdom, of course, are the raging epidemic in the country and the unpopular war in Yemen.

The Saudis pin certain hopes on the speedy exit of most countries from the pandemic and the rapid recovery of the economy. However, none of the analysts dares to make truly serious forecasts on the timing, which means that an atmosphere of uncertainty will prevail over the kingdom. Then unpopular measures will be taken in the form of further cancellation of part of social guarantees - clear signs of a final loss in the oil war with Russia.

Do not think that such consequences await exclusively the Middle East kingdom. Similar problems now have all oil-producing countries. Indicative in this sense is Norway. First time in stories They started selling the sovereign fund of this country in order to overcome the consequences of the pandemic and the collapse of oil prices. Norwegians did not resort to this either in 2008 or in 2014. The situation in this Scandinavian country is still relatively optimistic, but the very fact of opening the egg-caps is alarming. If Norway, which does not fight with anyone on the oil market and even does not enter OPEC, had to be tight in this situation, then what can we say about Saudi Arabia!
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  1. Comrade
    Comrade 17 May 2020 05: 16 New
    -11
    The Saudis were blown away.
    1. mole
      mole 17 May 2020 06: 01 New
      +8
      Quote: Comrade
      The Saudis were blown away.

      Just cheated.
      Having reduced the budget, fewer cities in the desert will be built. They have enough fat.
      At the same time, they took part of the European market from the launch vehicle.
      There are many articles with headlines about the defeat of the Saudis, but not a single one about what the pH gained from this defeat?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 May 2020 06: 37 New
        13
        The acquisition is one - you can shout out "the Saudis are blown away"!
        And it doesn’t matter that he is without pants, that he was declared middle class with 17 rubles (by the way, the aforementioned supplement in Arabia is 000 rubles ours), that world trade brands are quietly leaving the market ...
        The main thing is that our citizens would shout to the other side of the wall with battlements ...
        1. oracul
          oracul 17 May 2020 07: 19 New
          16
          Citizens, if they understand that "you can't easily pull out a fish without a pond", most likely understand, and that two factors should be taken into account initially, firstly, the population: we have more than 145 million, they have about 35 million ., secondly, our climate is incomparably more severe than in KSA. World brands that are leaving care mainly for Muscovites and St. Petersburg residents with their income. The rest of Russia measures desires against possibilities. Everything has its time,
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 17 May 2020 08: 05 New
            32
            Who is this article for? As if evening M looked!

            saudi strategists endure defeat in the oil war

            And Russia won or what? But what is the gain? Very interested! Something no one cheers yelling (even cheers patriots).

            the real financial burden on citizens increases immediately by 15 percent. points.

            And in Russia, the ruble crashed by 20%. Accordingly, all accumulations and incomes of citizens. Let's talk about it!

            our state has one thing undeniable advantage in the form of a floating ruble exchange rate

            It would be nice if the ruble was floating, otherwise it’s sinking. The ever-falling ruble is a disaster for Russia. And this is certainly not a matter of pride.

            The fact is that we are now far from a global gas station, the share of hydrocarbon money in the budget does not exceed half.

            And when you were a gas station, what was the share of oil money in the budget? It seems that the situation has not changed much! And then, why does the "non-gas station" react so nervously to changes in oil prices?

            Then unpopular measures will be taken in the form of further cancellation of part of social guarantees - obvious
            signs of final loss in the oil war with Russia.

            If the cancellation of part of the social guarantees is losingthen Russia lost in advance. Even then, when the old people were robbed and raised taxes.

            For citizens of CA do not worry. Their standard of living (as social guarantees) remains sky-high in comparison with modern Russia.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 17 May 2020 08: 13 New
              27
              As I understand it, everything is much simpler:
              Saudis are defeated not according to plan.
              We - according to plan.
              Something like this...
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 17 May 2020 08: 38 New
                23
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                The Saudis fail not according to plan ...
                We are according to plan ...

                Accurate remark! In other words: the welfare of Russian citizens during a crisis cannot fall much (as in other countries), since it is already at the bottom.
                Let's win!
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 17 May 2020 08: 54 New
                  18
                  There is such an anecdote:
                  Commission at the construction site. There are a lot of shortcomings, but the chief warned that if all the comments were answered, they say it was necessary.
                  The commission in the yard found another defect, examines it, then the wall of the house collapses!
                  The foreman looked calmly at his watch:
                  - Right on schedule! ...
                  laughing
                  Good morning and good mood!)
            2. knn54
              knn54 17 May 2020 08: 32 New
              26
              An article from the category "It's not good with us, but they are bad."
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 17 May 2020 08: 48 New
                17
                Propagandists and political strategists have a very narrow set of maneuvers to be in trend: "Russia FORWARD". In reality, "forward" does not work (with a bad game). Is that a good mine. And that is questionable.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 May 2020 10: 51 New
                  17
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Propagandists and political strategists have a very narrow set of maneuvers to be in trend: "Russia FORWARD".

                  But why? America is still there! There, the bodies of coronavirus deaths are strewn in the streets by the thousands laughing And with us everything is fine
                2. The comment was deleted.
              2. Procyon lotor
                Procyon lotor 17 May 2020 13: 37 New
                +6
                Or the lack of positive news at home is offset by negative news from others.
            3. Tank hard
              Tank hard 17 May 2020 09: 18 New
              -22
              Quote: Stas157
              Who is this article for?

              For people like Stas, they write emotional comments underneath. laughing
              Quote: Stas157
              And Russia won or what?

              Judging by people like you, the Saudis won, though you can’t give examples of this. tongue
              Quote: Stas157
              It would be nice if the ruble was floating, otherwise it’s sinking. The ever-falling ruble is a disaster for Russia. And this is definitely not a matter of pride

              Everything is lost! good laughing
              Quote: Stas157
              And when you were a gas station, what was the share of oil money in the budget? It seems that the situation has not changed much! And then, why does the "non-gas station" react so nervously to changes in oil prices?

              I will reveal a great secret for people like you. Even the US is reacting nervously to changes in the "oil rate". "Everything is lost", another part. wink
              Quote: Stas157
              For citizens of CA do not worry. Their standard of living (as social guarantees) remains sky-high in comparison with modern Russia.

              Here you better know. You know your best ... repeat
            4. Snarkxnumx
              Snarkxnumx 17 May 2020 10: 10 New
              19
              I agree with you.
              "Immediately, many analysts began to shout about the defeat of the strategy of Vladimir Putin, about the shrewd Arabs and the imminent end of the Russian financial system." Isn't that true? And what is Putin's smart strategy. ??? Compensating Rosneft for losses from the budget due to the impoverishment of the population ... A genius, you can't take it.
            5. New Year day
              New Year day 17 May 2020 10: 48 New
              17
              Quote: Stas157
              Who is this article for?

              on the blind! The worse the situation in the country, the more such opuses. For a week at VO, this is already 3 article on CA with one key; All according to the principle: “Let my shed burn, if only the cow dies from a neighbor”
              1. Emphasis
                Emphasis 17 May 2020 14: 41 New
                12
                Well, the population must be comforted. Although people need to say the same thing, the information vacuum forces people to search for information themselves, but there you never know what can come to mind. It is important to bend the same line endlessly, and with a complete information monopoly, the population can be kept plus or minus.
            6. opus
              opus 17 May 2020 12: 33 New
              12
              Quote: Stas157
              Who is this article for? As if evening M looked!

              good
              This article is another fuflomitsyn
              [quote =
              Evgeny Fedorov] Not according to plan: Saudi strategists are defeated in the oil war [/ quote]
              belay
              [media=blob:https://www.youtube.com/19b7a131-76ee-43b2-9da9-e6609aead1ff]
              1. Saudi riyal to dollar rate

              and now he is 3,75
              the ruble exchange rate of our derevyannoy?
              in 2010 there was something around 33 rubles now almost 74, but was higher
              2. Sechin has already quickly quickly asked for state support because of the "crisis"
              3. The same crap awaits Gazprom (and only One will win here)
              Our country (bolivar) cannot survive two
              etc. etc.
              4,5, 6
          2. Arpad
            Arpad 17 May 2020 12: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: oracul
            -second, our climate is incomparably more severe than in KSA

            Are you seriously?
            Saudi Arabia is slightly hotter than ours.
            And we have today

            Well work

            Work an hour or two.
          3. andrew42
            andrew42 18 May 2020 17: 44 New
            0
            We will not cry about "world" brands, that's for sure.
        2. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 18 May 2020 15: 54 New
          -3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And it’s not a problem that he’s without pants,

          Duc, put on zhovtno-blakitnye trousers, who interferes. Putin?
          the aforementioned supplement in Arabia is 19 rubles in our opinion)

          And at this premium you buy 70 liters of water - only wash your underpants. This is probably why the Wahhabis don’t wear underpants - washing is expensive.
      2. alone
        alone 17 May 2020 11: 42 New
        12
        Quote: Mole
        There are many articles with headlines about the defeat of the Saudis, but not a single one about what the pH gained from this defeat?

        judging by how Sechin asked 200 billion rubles from the state, the affairs of the RN are also not so hot ..
        An article from the category of pure propaganda. The Saudis only yesterday bought part of the shares of 4 leading US companies ..
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 13: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: lonely
          Sechin asked 200 billion rubles from the state

          And he didn’t ask himself to lower the salary, or did he already have holes in his belt, nowhere to tighten?
          1. alone
            alone 17 May 2020 13: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And he didn’t ask himself to lower the salary, or did he already have holes in his belt, nowhere to tighten?

            The salary is sacred, they will decrease ... No. In our case, it will most likely be a question of an increase .. RN suffered losses, it became difficult for Sechin to live, so we need to help him ... wassat lol I don’t know how with the belt, but the face like my TV -82 diagonal
      3. LAWNER
        LAWNER 17 May 2020 14: 29 New
        -5
        Building a NEOM city will cost the Saudis $ 500 billion. Reserves 464 billion dollars. I'm afraid they cannot even build an extra village.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 17 May 2020 16: 47 New
          11
          Quote: LAWNER
          Building a NEOM city will cost the Saudis $ 500 billion. Reserves 464 billion dollars. I'm afraid they cannot even build an extra village.

          are their cities touching you?
          Have you already repaired the hospital in Vyshny Volochyok?
          1. LAWNER
            LAWNER 18 May 2020 01: 44 New
            -7
            If you are a resident of the Vyshny Volochok, take your deputies for causality. Or write a statement to the prosecutor. And then write to VO how you struggle with the administration.
          2. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 18 May 2020 15: 58 New
            -2
            Quote: Overlock
            Have you already repaired the hospital in Vyshny Volochyok?

            Well, why should Kiev hospitals be placed under the Lower Volvolochok ...
            This is like a video about the beating of women and pensioners on Bolotnaya Square - by Russian policemen with Carabineros labels.
      4. Comrade
        Comrade 17 May 2020 16: 29 New
        -12
        Quote: Mole
        There are many articles with headlines about the defeat of the Saudis, but not a single one about what the pH gained from this defeat?

        And what did the USSR acquire, defeating Germany?
        The standard of living fell many times, half the country in ruins, twenty-seven million dead, tens of millions of disabled people.
        One must always think in a positive way - what would happen if we did not defeat Hitler, and what would happen if the Saudi plan were a success.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 17 May 2020 16: 49 New
          0
          and what would happen if the Saudi plan was a success.
          $ 50 oil? Decrease in its shipment by 0.5 million barrels? Something is not scary at all. Especially when compared with what is.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 18 May 2020 16: 02 New
            -4
            Give these $ 50 to 500 thousand barrels per day to the Americans? We are not bad now. It became unprofitable for the Americans to rob Iraq or Syria. To bring stolen oil from across the sea when their miners quack every minute ...
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 18 May 2020 19: 31 New
              -2
              Quote: Oo sarcasm
              Give these $ 50 to 500 thousand barrels per day to the Americans?
              There was nothing to give: the supply exceeded demand, they wanted to remove the excess.
              1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                Oyo Sarkazmi 19 May 2020 19: 22 New
                0
                This would be superfluous. In barrels with the label "Madein USeA".
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 May 2020 06: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: Comrade
      The Saudis were blown away.

      And so around the world ... A lot of what was blown away.
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 17 May 2020 07: 22 New
      13
      Oh horror, another 6-7 such years and the people will live with them as in Russia.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 17 May 2020 08: 03 New
        10
        As in Russia, the Saudis will never live.

        They do not have winter, bears and Putin)))
        1. opus
          opus 17 May 2020 12: 49 New
          +9
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          They do not have winter, bears and Putin)))

          they do not have water, vegetation, forests, minerals (except hydrocarbons), they retire at 60 (it will go down to the UAE, where they are 49 years old)

          Quote: Nyrobsky
          then for the Saudis, a drop in the standard of living compare the catastrophe against which the massacre between the princes and their subjects will begin.

          1.Before the era of oil, they lived in poverty, they will smack again
          2. less than about $ 530 per month "- about $ 17 per day - considered a poverty line in Saudi Arabia.
          530 $ * 74 = 39 220 rubles
          THIS IS A pancake TWO TIMES MORE THAN RECEIVES A MIDDLE CLASS IN RUSSIA AGREED TO PUTIN

          good
          workers from pkistan, india bangladege receive $ 218 at construction sites.
          they will have to work even cheaper (still 5-7 times more than in their homeland)

          Quote: Nyrobsky
          If during these one and a half to two months of the oil war, the reserves of the SA decreased by more than $ 20 billion, then the available reserves will be exhausted in three or four years, if not faster.

          let's worry about our reserves.
          I suppose we have nothing for the soul, already
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 11: 38 New
        -7
        Quote: Normal ok
        Oh horror, another 6-7 such years and the people will live with them as in Russia.

        As in Russia they will not, they will live worse. If our people did not live well, then for the Saudis, the drop in living standards is comparable to a catastrophe against which a massacre will begin between princes and their subjects. Surely there are forces that will not miss the chance to nullify the SA's claims to regional leadership and from the outside will "help" warm up popular discontent, which is also facilitated by the hopeless war with Yemen, which also eats a lot of money. Forecasts for the recovery of oil prices in the region of $ 70-80 per barrel, from which the kingdom's budget is being drawn up, are extremely uncomfortable for the next few years. If during these one and a half to two months of the oil war, the reserves of the SA have decreased by more than 20 billion dollars, then the available reserves will be exhausted in three or four years, if not faster.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 May 2020 12: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          As in Russia they will not, they will live worse. If our people didn’t live well, then for the Saudis a fall in the standard of living compare the catastrophe against which the massacre between the princes and their subjects will begin.

          I really apologize, but do you really believe in what you write?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 13: 19 New
            -2
            Quote: Malyuta
            I am very sorry, do you really believe what you write?

            After the murder and dismemberment of Khashoggi at the SA Embassy in Turkey, especially. Salman is directly related to his murder, since Khashoggi blew against him, one might say, from the opposition. There are princes like dogs not slaughtered, who also want to sit a little on the throne, and therefore I do not exclude the fact that they will certainly turn against him all his "punctures" with a stupid war, with a fall in oil prices, an increase in taxes on subjects and a decrease in their level life. There are not many options - either Salman will start chopping off some princes' heads, or some princes will chop off Salman's head.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 May 2020 19: 10 New
              +7
              And I am so sorry for Crown Prince Mohammed Ibn Salman Al Saud, so sorry I can’t eat.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 17 May 2020 14: 02 New
            +5
            Are you not aware that Saudi Arabia is a completely artificial, engineered entity named after the ruling dynasty? Inhabited by warring tribes. Part of the Kingdom's territory is the territory of a number of Arabian tribes and states captured by the Saudis in the 20s and 30s, by historical standards, quite recently. They tolerate the rule of the Saudi dynasty as long as a high standard of living is ensured. An unspoken contract: the majority of the population does not participate in the management of the Kingdom, and the Kingdom provides a high standard of living and minimal taxes. By the way, the living standards in the regions there are also very different. There are loyal "favorite" regions. Now taxes are going up. Oppositional and literate residents (and there are many of them) may demand full parliamentary representation, and not, as it is now, consultative representation. Liberalization of the political sphere, legalization of parties, etc. With the dragging out of the global economic and energy crisis, a period of turmoil for the archaic monarchy may begin. Norwegians, Venezuelans, we will somehow trample, and for Saudi Arabia, an unfavorable turn of events is possible, even according to the Libyan model, with the threat of disintegration of the state, which, in fact, is the property of several thousand members of the ruling dynasty, plus several hundred more noble and wealthy people and several dozens of top Muslim authorities.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 17 May 2020 14: 33 New
              +6
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Statehood, which, in fact, is the property of several thousand members of the ruling dynasty, plus several hundred more noble and wealthy people and several dozen top authorities.

              I think you wrote about the Russian Federation with the only proviso that the Saudis do not consider their population to be second oil, and we will increase "production".
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 17: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Is Saudi Arabia a completely artificial, engineered entity named for the ruling dynasty? Populated by warring tribes. Part of the territory of the Kingdom is the territory of a number of Arabian tribes and states captured by the Saudis in the 20-30s, by historical standards, more recently. They endure the power of the Saudi dynasty as long as a high standard of living is ensured.

              Excellent comment good hi A plus!
              1. Tutahamon
                Tutahamon 17 May 2020 17: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Is Saudi Arabia a completely artificial, engineered entity named for the ruling dynasty? Populated by warring tribes. Part of the territory of the Kingdom is the territory of a number of Arabian tribes and states captured by the Saudis in the 20-30s, by historical standards, more recently. They endure the power of the Saudi dynasty as long as a high standard of living is ensured.

                Excellent comment good hi A plus!

                We must constantly write about it, who they are, etc.
                And then here some mongrel to us put these Russia as an example ...
                They were shepherds of camels and they remained ..! And soon, probably, they will again go into this situation .. Here the Husits ​​and others want to soak them!))))
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 17: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  They were shepherds of camels and they remained ..! And soon, probably, they will again go into this situation .. Here the Husits ​​and others want to soak them!))))

                  Probably, under this matter, mattresses want to pull their Patriots out of Saudi Arabia so that they can punish the arrogant Saudi kings with their missiles, pardon, Hussite missiles for their oil leprosy. If barefoot fighters shatter the oil industry among the Saudis, the price of oil will trample uphill, which will return the profitability of oil shale in the United States.
      3. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 18 May 2020 16: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Normal ok
        another 6-7 such years and the people will live with them as in Russia.

        Will not. They will die, but they won’t work.
    4. Civil
      Civil 17 May 2020 11: 15 New
      +9
      If we compare the kingdom with Russia, then our state has one undeniable advantage in the form of a floating ruble exchange rate.

      Yeah, funny - the falling ruble, call a spade a spade. And all the people pay for it. His misery.
    5. Malyuta
      Malyuta 17 May 2020 12: 16 New
      10
      Quote: Comrade
      The Saudis were blown away.

      Are we pouting?
    6. snake
      snake 17 May 2020 14: 12 New
      11
      Quote: Comrade
      The Saudis were blown away.

      Well, of course ... They don't have such cool top managers as Sechin and Miller. I must say that "our" "Russian" oligarchs are fighting for the prestige of Russia. How do you like this:
      Three of the richest residents of Great Britain included three Russians.
      https://www.rbc.ru/business/17/05/2020/5ec0c99f9a7947615b27373f
      Rejoice, hurray-patriots, for Russian businessmen (such as guinea pigs: neither guinea pigs nor guinea pigs) Friedman, Rabinovich and Usmanov raise the prestige of the Russian Federation!
      By the way, our oligarchs were not in the first place ... That's the trouble ... Maybe we’ll throw ourselves off, Slavs, who can do what, and help these gentlemen to win the top lines of Forbes? AND?
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 17 May 2020 14: 58 New
        +3
        I think for them I can only throw a rope, but not another.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 May 2020 15: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: tech3030
          I think for them I can only throw a rope, but not another.

          Do not worry, Comrade, the ropes for these citizens and their entourage will be issued at the expense of the state budget.
        2. snake
          snake 17 May 2020 15: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: tech3030
          I think for them I can only throw a rope, but not another.

          Well ... you already threw off the rope and so on ... not wanting it yourself, more your taxes and the bowels of Russia go to improve the lives of these Usmanovs and Fridman.
          1. tech3030
            tech3030 17 May 2020 20: 41 New
            +1
            And you did not take off? Ali live in another country, where they ask you, give or not give, so what?
  2. kashcheevo egg
    kashcheevo egg 17 May 2020 05: 33 New
    -13
    Russia has won!
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 17 May 2020 05: 45 New
      +9
      There are no winners. Everyone lost - just to a different extent.
      This adventure of the Saudis also cost us dearly.
    2. snake
      snake 17 May 2020 16: 08 New
      0
      Quote: kashcheyevo egg
      Russia has won!

      In giveaway
  3. codetalker
    codetalker 17 May 2020 05: 53 New
    +4
    There are no Saudi strategists; they cannot declare war. This is a puppet Anglo-American state education.
  4. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 17 May 2020 05: 55 New
    +1
    The Wahhabis wanted to show their importance, as they were boobies so they remained. Yemen needs to put more missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles, you look and the price of oil will rise.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 17 May 2020 12: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Yemen needs more missiles and unmanned aircraft to deliver, you look and the price of oil will rise.

      The best solution is to turn off your TV. hi
    2. snake
      snake 17 May 2020 16: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Yemen needs more missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles,

      Well put it. Out of pocket, dearie.
      Quote: Pessimist22
      you look and the price of oil will rise.

      Then take a look.
  5. Courier
    Courier 17 May 2020 05: 57 New
    25
    What exactly did Russia win?
    The ruble is held until the vote on amendments, this is obvious to any economist.
    The ruble cannot cost 10%
    cheaper when oil fell 2.5 times.
    Ruble revenues to the budget can be made up only by devaluation.

    In the SA, the VAT was 15%, in Russia it is 20% since January 19.
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 17 May 2020 07: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Courier
      The ruble cannot cost 10%
      cheaper when oil fell 2.5 times.

      Well, the dollar does not fall when the printing press is working, and despite the fact that it is not provided with anything
      everything is possible in a speculative economy; market laws do not apply in it
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 May 2020 07: 18 New
        12
        market laws
        Do they exist? Or was it naive Soviet people who lured us into capitalist lawlessness? And as we got here, it suddenly turned out that under capitalism there is no market and no laws.
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 17 May 2020 09: 27 New
          -2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Do they exist?

          actually yes
          Quote: Gardamir
          whether it was us who were naive Soviet people lured into capitalist lawlessness?

          naive soviet people studied this even in institutes, the market has quite objective laws, another question is that a speculative economy is different from normal and, accordingly, laws are just as different; the absence of these laws is excellent;
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 17 May 2020 14: 06 New
          0
          Do you not think that capitalism-imperialism is not static, and its characteristics also change over time? Plus, no one has canceled its various regional options?
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 13: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Well, the dollar does not fall when the printing press is working, and despite the fact that it is not provided with anything

        The dollar is falling too.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 May 2020 13: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          The dollar is falling too.

          they say before the tsunami always the water recedes from the shore
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 13: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            they say before the tsunami always the water recedes from the shore

            It's just that they usually compare us with the dollar exchange rate, and dollar inflation does not want to see. For twenty years, gold once in 5-6 has risen in price in dollars.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 17 May 2020 13: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              It's just that they usually compare us with the dollar exchange rate, and dollar inflation does not want to see. For twenty years, gold once in 5-6 has risen in price in dollars.

              no doubt! But our prices are still rising not relative to gold, but relative to the dollar request
        2. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 17 May 2020 13: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          The dollar is falling too.

          not corresponding to its real commodity non-filling
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 17 May 2020 13: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            not corresponding to its real commodity non-filling

            America is not very annoying, include a printing press and live
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 17 May 2020 16: 50 New
              -1
              it strains everyone else when the bubble bursts, and about the mattresses, I'm so sure that the design of the new currency is ready
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 18 May 2020 19: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Well, the dollar does not fall when the printing press is working, and despite the fact that it is not provided with anything

        since the 1980s has fallen decently
  6. sergo
    sergo 17 May 2020 06: 07 New
    14
    And what is the victory? Is we a raw materials appendage of Europe and China? Great victory.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 13: 32 New
      0
      Quote: sergo
      And what is the victory? Is we a raw materials appendage of Europe and China?
      Now the United States of America is tirelessly fighting for the honorary title of "raw materials appendage" of Europe and China, wanting to sell them its LNG. Not? Did not notice?
      PS Now many people want to supply their energy resources to China and the EU, but few can do this (almost V. Klitschko).
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 17 May 2020 14: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Now the United States of America is tirelessly fighting for the honorary title of "raw materials appendage" of Europe and China, wanting to sell them its LNG.

        then, with the same precision. can Gazprom be brought with its desire for gas supplies to Europe
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Did not notice?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 17 May 2020 14: 38 New
          -6
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Now the United States of America is tirelessly fighting for the honorary title of "raw materials appendage" of Europe and China, wanting to sell them its LNG.

          then, with the same precision. can Gazprom be brought with its desire for gas supplies to Europe
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Did not notice?

          And why should it (Gazprom) bring it with "precision" if it has been pushing it there for a long time (40 years)?
          But for the fact that it (Gazprom) to squeeze, or even better to oust and also "a little steam", the United States rests with a horn and - they say they are tired of being the most advanced and technologically advanced power, we want to become a little raw materials appendage. Here, almost on copper mattresses, China sold LNG for the upcoming five-year plan in the amount of 50 billion dollars. But in the opinion of many "athletes" present here, competing in who will spit more savory in their country, they (mattresses) are smart, they sell energy for dollars, sneezing on descendants, and ours are stupid because they sell energy for dollars, sneezing on descendants. It seems that in the sense and actions of the same garbage, but for "athletes" mattresses are nicer. Remember what Sherlock Holmes asked Watson - "Whose howling is there?" And he replied - "Yes, that motley liberot and other hairy" friends "of Russia are howling! Apparently, Russia has some success!"
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 18 May 2020 20: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Now the United States of America is tirelessly fighting for the honorary title of "raw materials appendage" of Europe and China, wanting to sell them its LNG. Not?

        You calculate what percentage of LNG is exported from their exports, and how much they get for it
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 18 May 2020 21: 01 New
          -2
          Quote: Pilat2009
          You calculate what percentage of LNG is exported from their exports, and how much they get for it

          What for? The fact that mattresses want to enter the European market with their own LNG (+ with the one that will be bought from the Russian Federation on the same Yamal) is already more than obvious. You can go deeper into economic calculations, watch the dynamics, percentages of volumes, etc. We can simply note the obvious, namely that the United States does not have the required number of gas carriers to deliver the necessary volumes of LNG to Europe, as well as the fact that Europe does not have the necessary infrastructure in the required amount to receive, liquefy and transport such a volume of gas and for all this it takes about 10 years, on which, in fact, Ukraine (USA) insisted on freezing the signing of a new transit contract on its own (USA) terms, but received only 5 years and fixed volumes of gas with a decrease over the years of the contract. However, all this movement testifies to the fact that the United States persistently wants to fight for the title of "raw materials appendage", and therefore is making every effort to bury the SP-2. hi
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 19 May 2020 05: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: Pilat2009
            You calculate what percentage of LNG is exported from their exports, and how much they get for it

            What for? The fact that mattresses want to enter the European market with their own LNG (+ with the one that will be bought from the Russian Federation on the same Yamal) is already more than obvious. You can go deeper into economic calculations, watch the dynamics, percentages of volumes, etc. We can simply note the obvious, namely that the United States does not have the required number of gas carriers to deliver the necessary volumes of LNG to Europe, as well as the fact that Europe does not have the necessary infrastructure in the required amount to receive, liquefy and transport such a volume of gas and for all this it takes about 10 years, on which, in fact, Ukraine (USA) insisted on freezing the signing of a new transit contract on its own (USA) terms, but received only 5 years and fixed volumes of gas with a decrease over the years of the contract. However, all this movement testifies to the fact that the United States persistently wants to fight for the title of "raw materials appendage", and therefore is making every effort to bury the SP-2. hi

            A raw materials appendage is when there is nothing more to sell. And only Intel has one more income than Gazprom once
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 19 May 2020 09: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Pilat2009
              A raw materials appendage is when there is nothing more to sell. And only Intel has one more income than Gazprom once

              All are so harsh that there is no one to even throw a stool at. You understand that the definition of "raw materials appendage" in relation to the United States is ironic. I have repeatedly put this definition in quotation marks, but you, American patriots, are sickened by any irony expressed about the "hegemon." Climb up the thread and check out the initial comment that started it all. If there is a resource that can be sold to the world, then what difference does it make who does it - the United States, Russia or Saudi Arabia? The main idea is that the US is also fighting for the European market and at the same time does not think that it will look flawed.
  7. Grading
    Grading 17 May 2020 06: 34 New
    +8
    Quote: Courier
    What exactly did Russia win?
    The ruble is held until the vote on amendments, this is obvious to any economist.
    The ruble cannot cost 10%
    cheaper when oil fell 2.5 times.
    Ruble revenues to the budget can be made up only by devaluation.

    In the SA, the VAT was 15%, in Russia it is 20% since January 19.

    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 18 May 2020 20: 36 New
      +2
      The best manager of all time
  8. Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 May 2020 07: 13 New
    0
    All the same, there is oil and will remain in the foreseeable future the blood of the global economy. And if so, then the price for it will rise and everything will fall into place. Arabia, I believe, can withstand this blow, and then .... we'll see.
  9. Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 17 May 2020 07: 17 New
    13
    Custom articles like the Saudis themselves deceived themselves already tired.
    Well, Rosneft’s strategists foresaw everything and did everything. What’s the profit? Russia or Rosneft raped something from this, except that the Saudis still intercepted part of their market
  10. Grading
    Grading 17 May 2020 07: 55 New
    14
    The Saudis tremble and surrender, we again won this is another breakthrough! or a jerk? laughing
    Average salary per month in Saudi Arabia's economic sectors:

    Entrepreneurship - from $ 1;
    Oil industry - $ 9;
    Cleaning - $ 3;
    Tourism - $ 3;
    Automotive industry - $ 6;
    Advertising business - $ 4 800;
    Science, technology - $ 5;
    Education - $ 5;
    Real Estate - $ 4;
    Agriculture - $ 3;
    Finance and investment - $ 6;
    Accounting - $ 5;
    Ecology - $ 3 900;
    Information Technology - $ 5;
    Marketing - $ 3;
    Jurisprudence - $ 4;
    Culture, art - $ 3;
    Executive power and management - $ 7;
    Medicine - $ 6;
    Production - $ 4;
    Sales - $ 3;
    Telecommunications - $ 4.
    A specialist with higher education in medicine, law or finance receives up to $ 20 thousand dollars a month. Promising industries in Saudi Arabia also include IT, real estate, tourism, export and import. For example, a surgeon earns from $ 7 thousand per month, and with extensive experience from $ 12 thousand.
    Salaries are not citizens of the country!
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 17 May 2020 08: 04 New
      -9
      Is a salary drawn from the ceiling? And now the cost of services, such as medical.
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 17 May 2020 09: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Grading
      Salaries are not citizens of the country!

      Then, for justice, it would be necessary to drop the wide range of prices for all goods and services ... For comparison wink hi
      1. Snarkxnumx
        Snarkxnumx 17 May 2020 10: 24 New
        15
        Especially for gasoline. !!! And medicine there is also free. They have been robbing us for 30 years already, and all of you "bring proof"
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 May 2020 12: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Snark1876
          They have been robbing us for 30 years already, and all of you "bring proof"

          And many will answer you, let them rob, because there is bread.
          1. Snarkxnumx
            Snarkxnumx 17 May 2020 14: 00 New
            +2
            There is bread !!! Yes, and people who write odes for money do not seem to lack this power .... I hope you are not a Kremlin boat ....
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 17 May 2020 14: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Snark1876
              There is bread !!! Yes, and people who write odes for money do not seem to lack this power .... I hope you are not a Kremlin boat ....

              I sincerely believe that this is not for long. We do not need such "hockey".
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 18 May 2020 20: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Rurikovich
        wide range of prices for all goods and services

        Do you think there TV is more expensive than ours?
        https://ru.traveltables.com/country/saudi-arabia/cost-of-living
  11. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 17 May 2020 08: 06 New
    +1
    The economy (consumption) of oil will not recover. Probably never. Perhaps the current levels will seem like the ultimate dream in five years.
    It’s another matter that one cannot live without oil (gas, nuclear power plants), just as without an agro-industrial complex, so everything will not collapse at all. Arabs will live within their meanscamel ride buy fewer "golden" weapons
  12. oracul
    oracul 17 May 2020 08: 12 New
    -26
    What kind of blinders should one have in front of one’s eyes in order not to see the obvious, how the country, even with a scratch, will overcome those mountains of problems that liberals, corrupt officials and thieves in and with power have created: either destroyed production facilities or privatized ones and with the participation of foreigners, giving good income to the nouveau riche, a weakening army, dilapidated agriculture, sold merchant and fishing vessels, forest lawlessness with roundwood export, poor infrastructure, optimization of health care, the Bologna system in education, brain drain, etc., etc. The diagnosis of some is obvious - constipation of thought and diarrhea of ​​words.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 17 May 2020 10: 31 New
      10
      Overcome the problems that non-Putin ministers themselves created did all this?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 17 May 2020 10: 55 New
      15
      Quote: oracul
      but overcomes those mountains of problems that liberals, corrupt officials and thieves in power and with it

      Are you by any chance not talking about the country's main liberal, with servants led by Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, surrounded by billionaire colonels? Not patriotic somehow request
    3. Snarkxnumx
      Snarkxnumx 17 May 2020 14: 08 New
      +4
      I put a minus to you. As you do not understand this power, the quintessence of the power of 90 your hated. The power of the liberals Only the odious leaders like Chubais pushed aside. And they put masks on fans of Russia. And they rob more, much more than 90. And I advise you not to watch Solovyov, etc. the brain must be given rest ....
      1. tagil
        tagil 17 May 2020 18: 20 New
        -4
        And I advise you not to watch Solovyov, etc. the brain must be given rest ....
        I dare to ask you what you look and read.
  13. Tutahamon
    Tutahamon 17 May 2020 08: 59 New
    -22
    Immediately, many analysts began shouting about the defeat of Vladimir Putin’s strategy, about the perspicacious Arabs and the imminent end of Russia's financial system.

    And where are all these screamers? The Russian economy, I still remember from the time of Obama, was "torn to shreds" and so on. And something is not particularly felt ..
    1. mole
      mole 17 May 2020 09: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Tutahamon
      Immediately, many analysts began shouting about the defeat of Vladimir Putin’s strategy, about the perspicacious Arabs and the imminent end of Russia's financial system.

      And where are all these screamers? The Russian economy, I still remember from the time of Obama, was "torn to shreds" and so on. And something is not particularly felt ..

      Obama’s times, just a prelude. And that which is not particularly felt will be felt later.
      We were milked again. Examples:
      1. The Central Bank lives its own life.
      2. From all "irons" they broadcast about the exit from the dollar. We went out, entered the yuan. A few months later, the Central Bank of China dropped the rate, lost on yuan. The dollar rises after we exit it!
      3. Infa slipped, they sold real gold to small-shaved in January 2020. At that time, the rate of the electron was like 1400-1500 per ounce, now more than 1700. To whom did the profit go in this case?
      4. The pH got involved with the Saudis. Who's up?
      Question marks for those who think with their heads, and not feed into it.
      If you sculpt minus, then I ask for your opinion.
      1. Tutahamon
        Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 46 New
        -12
        Quote: Mole
        Quote: Tutahamon
        Immediately, many analysts began shouting about the defeat of Vladimir Putin’s strategy, about the perspicacious Arabs and the imminent end of Russia's financial system.

        And where are all these screamers? The Russian economy, I still remember from the time of Obama, was "torn to shreds" and so on. And something is not particularly felt ..

        Obama’s times, just a prelude. And that which is not particularly felt will be felt later.
        We were milked again. Examples:
        1. The Central Bank lives its own life.
        2. From all "irons" they broadcast about the exit from the dollar. We went out, entered the yuan. A few months later, the Central Bank of China dropped the rate, lost on yuan. The dollar rises after we exit it!
        3. Infa slipped, they sold real gold to small-shaved in January 2020. At that time, the rate of the electron was like 1400-1500 per ounce, now more than 1700. To whom did the profit go in this case?
        4. The pH got involved with the Saudis. Who's up?
        Question marks for those who think with their heads, and not feed into it.
        If you sculpt minus, then I ask for your opinion.

        I do not want to say that everything in the Russian economy is wonderful and in power .. There are a lot of problems, including what you described .. It is necessary to solve and preferably radically!
        I'm just talking about screamers, who got a lot divorced, that all Russia is a khan and it's time to divide and bring it down .. hi
        Life in Russia has always been not sugar, but now especially. When you see how it is robbed godlessly and especially hay spitting on all of us in the souls born in the USSR .. You need to unite, for those who wholeheartedly root for Russia, their Fatherland! That is the main problem now .. tearing is in power and among the people .. Each has its own truth!
        It’s easy to criticize, as well as to praise .. Here you can’t just describe what has accumulated in the soul ..
        Something like that in the tank divisions of the Urals! soldier hi
        1. mole
          mole 17 May 2020 09: 58 New
          0
          [quote = Tutahamon]
          And where are all these screamers? The Russian economy, I still remember from the time of Obama, was "torn to shreds" and so on. And something is not particularly felt .. [/ quote]
          Obama’s times, just a prelude. And that which is not particularly felt will be felt later.
          We were milked again. Examples:
          1. The Central Bank lives its own life.
          2. From all "irons" they broadcast about the exit from the dollar. We went out, entered the yuan. A few months later, the Central Bank of China dropped the rate, lost on yuan. The dollar rises after we exit it!
          3. Infa slipped, they sold real gold to small-shaved in January 2020. At that time, the rate of the electron was like 1400-1500 per ounce, now more than 1700. To whom did the profit go in this case?
          4. The pH got involved with the Saudis. Who's up?
          Question marks for those who think with their heads, and not feed into it.
          If you sculpt a minus, then I ask for your opinion. [/ Quote]
          I do not want to say that everything in the Russian economy is wonderful and in power .. There are a lot of problems, including what you described .. It is necessary to solve and preferably radically!
          I'm just talking about screamers, who got a lot divorced, that all Russia is a khan and it's time to divide and bring it down .. hi
          Life in Russia has always been not sugar, but now especially. When you see how it is robbed godlessly and especially hay spitting on all of us in the souls born in the USSR .. You need to unite, for those who wholeheartedly root for Russia, their Fatherland! That is the main problem now .. tearing is in power and among the people .. Each has its own truth!
          It’s easy to criticize, as well as to praise .. Here you can’t just describe what has accumulated in the soul ..
          Something like that in the tank divisions of the Urals! soldier hi[/ Quote]
          I never criticize you, just, with your permission, I added to your comment. A lot of ur, but very few real results. I try to voice my thoughts, also accumulated in my soul.
          1. Tutahamon
            Tutahamon 17 May 2020 11: 31 New
            -9
            Quote: Mole
            I never criticize you, just, with your permission, I added to your comment. A lot of ur, but very few real results

            To my kommenta many minuses of your friends were added .. And to argue with you, that got sick bully
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 17 May 2020 11: 37 New
              +7
              Quote: Tutahamon
              .And argue with you, that got sick

              because a lot
              Quote: Mole
              A lot of ur ..
              and few thoughts, arguments laughing
            2. mole
              mole 17 May 2020 12: 31 New
              +2
              These "friends" also instructed me recently. I don't care about the cons.
      2. D16
        D16 17 May 2020 10: 58 New
        0
        From all "irons" broadcast about the withdrawal from the dollar. We went out, entered the yuan.

        It was 5 percent, now it is fourteen. That's the whole "exit" to the yuan lol https://www.moneyinformer.ru/assets/images/rezerv_cb_2.gif
        Infa slipped, they sold real gold to small-shavens in January 2020.

        Gold is a commodity and has always been sold. Last year, they sold as much as $ 5,7 billion.
        The pH got involved with the Saudis. Who's up?

        None. If oil consumption has fallen and there is nowhere to store it, no one will buy it anyway. Though with discounts, even without. It is extracted too much in the current realities. It will ruin the market, not declarations of reduced production.
        1. mole
          mole 17 May 2020 12: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: D16
          From all "irons" broadcast about the withdrawal from the dollar. We went out, entered the yuan.

          It was 5 percent, now it is fourteen. That's the whole "exit" to the yuan lol https://www.moneyinformer.ru/assets/images/rezerv_cb_2.gif
          Infa slipped, they sold real gold to small-shavens in January 2020.

          Gold is a commodity and has always been sold. Last year, they sold as much as $ 5,7 billion.
          The pH got involved with the Saudis. Who's up?

          None. If oil consumption has fallen and there is nowhere to store it, no one will buy it anyway. Though with discounts, even without. It is extracted too much in the current realities. It will ruin the market, not declarations of reduced production.

          You yourself confirm these facts, but only do you not announce the profit from these "deals"?
          And what will "rule the market". T.N. "market" depends on the admin. pedals. As an example of a sanction.
          But if you studied at the HSE textbooks, then really, I won’t even persuade you.
          1. D16
            D16 17 May 2020 13: 51 New
            0
            You yourself confirm these facts, but only do you not announce the profit from these "deals"?

            Should all deals be profitable? This is a political decision that costs money. It has always been and will be. But gold in gold reserves during this time has risen in price.
            T.N. "market" depends on the admin. pedals. As an example of a sanction.

            Your administrative pedals usually decide something on the TV. Especially when it comes to the policies of a single refinery and gas station network. If people do not use cars, then there is nowhere to put gasoline.
          2. D16
            D16 17 May 2020 14: 22 New
            +1
            Py.Sy. A lot of people live in gold mining in Russia. They want to eat every day, and not just when gold falls in price.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 17 May 2020 14: 10 New
        +1
        What is the abbreviation RN you have constantly?
        1. mole
          mole 17 May 2020 16: 41 New
          0
          Rosneft
          Quote: Sergej1972
          What is the abbreviation RN you have constantly?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 17 May 2020 11: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Tutahamon
      The Russian economy, I still remember from the time of Obama, was "torn to shreds" and so on. And something is not particularly felt ..


      and suddenly, bang bang!
      1. Tutahamon
        Tutahamon 17 May 2020 11: 06 New
        -14
        Quote: Silvestr
        and suddenly, bang bang!

        You are happy)))) Do not wait for the sylvester, all these problems and sanctions are very necessary for Russia! The government begins to move and the oligarchy begins to pinch ..
        And you can’t wait for the collapse of Russia! Most likely the whole world is in ruin, than Russia will kneel down again .. Have suffered in the 90s!
        We need to return the socialist system and gradually nationalize the industry and the oil industry .. And if the upper classes cannot, and the lower classes do not want to live like this, then usually we start singing songs "Get up with a curse, the whole world of workers and slaves .."
        And there do not blame me .. am
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 May 2020 11: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: Tutahamon
          You are happy))))

          why did you decide so? We live like everyone else, walk on the earth
          Quote: Tutahamon
          Do not wait for the sylvester, all these problems and sanctions are very necessary for Russia!

          Of course we need someone who argues. Import substitution to develop request
          Like the Ural Instrument-Making Plant (UPZ)!
          Deputy imported quality impregnated Chinese:
          - Contract N32009144287. Execution of work on the manufacture and supply of work units for Aventa-M IVL devices - 1,37 billion rubles.
          - Contract N32009143726. Supply of fasteners for Aventa-M IVL devices - 803,9 million rubles.
          - Contract N32009143689. Supply of connectors for Aventa-M IVL devices - 5,874 million rubles, etc.
          And the products together treating 6 people killed.
          Quote: Tutahamon
          The government begins to move and the oligarchy begins to pinch ..

          of course it starts, the earth begins to burn underfoot
          Quote: Tutahamon
          And you can’t wait for the collapse of Russia!

          you have a sick imagination, you need to look at a smaller box. And at the same time indicate the place where I wrote it
          Quote: Tutahamon
          Most likely the whole world is in ruin, than Russia will kneel down again .. Have suffered in the 90s!

          What world is in dust?

          And if you remember who owns Rusal and Rosneft request
          And the 90s are returning, while only slowly ...
          Quote: Tutahamon
          We need to return the socialist system and slowly nationalize industry and the oil industry ..

          with whom? With those in power? !! laughing Have you consulted with them? Do they already agree?
          Quote: Tutahamon
          there do not blame me ..

          all you have to do is sing songs
          Quote: Tutahamon
          "Get up, cursed, the whole world of workers and slaves .."

          since obediently 20 years stepping on the same rake
          1. Tutahamon
            Tutahamon 17 May 2020 11: 42 New
            -15
            What do you offer besides whining and criticism? Question in the forehead Sylvester!
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 17 May 2020 13: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Tutahamon
              What do you offer besides whining and criticism? Question in the forehead Sylvester!

              I do not whine- give examples! I state the facts that you do not see point blank.
              To the seed
              1. Tutahamon
                Tutahamon 17 May 2020 13: 36 New
                -8
                Quote: Silvestr
                I do not whine- give examples! I state the facts that you do not see point blank.
                To the seed

                And what do you offer me? The aching people will join you and spread such videos here .. Scolding power and all in a row?
                You are loosening Russia and spit in our souls .. This is your task, as I understand it.?
                Then there are so many minuses for you .. Didn’t you think why?
                I asked you a higher question, what are you and who are you proposing to change something?
                And again, you nagging-rolls spread, which 1000 divorced here .. Oh you! God be your judge ..
                To love Russia and the fatherland, you need to be able .. And the hayatele is enough here without you .. Think about it, I hope you are not from Israel, here we are teaching "Ivanov" to the mind ... laughing
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 May 2020 14: 05 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  and spit in our souls.

                  horror! And I thought that the main liberal spit in your soul with pension reform and health care and education reforms?
                  Your brain will not explode from your contradictions?

                  и
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  "Get up, cursed, the whole world of workers and slaves .."

                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  Scolding power

                  You are on the side of Kiselyov and Co. laughing The same slogans request
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  To love Russia and the fatherland, you need to be able to.

                  you confuse, dear man, concepts


                  decide whether you are for power or for the Fatherland?
                  1. Tutahamon
                    Tutahamon 17 May 2020 14: 47 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: Tutahamon
                    and spit in our souls.

                    horror! And I thought that the main liberal spit in your soul with pension reform and health care and education reforms?
                    Your brain will not explode from your contradictions?

                    и
                    Quote: Tutahamon
                    "Get up, cursed, the whole world of workers and slaves .."

                    Quote: Tutahamon
                    Scolding power

                    You are on the side of Kiselyov and Co. laughing The same slogans request
                    Quote: Tutahamon
                    To love Russia and the fatherland, you need to be able to.

                    you confuse, dear man, concepts


                    decide whether you are for power or for the Fatherland?

                    Dostoevsky said everything and I believe him and many in Russia .. If it really went for the classics of Russians !!!!

                    This is blocked on many resources, but you can find .. What can I say? Or make a complaint?
                    Most likely, and if someone is for you ..
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 17 May 2020 16: 54 New
                +3
                I never remember that over the past five years the predictions of this thinker came true. Except for such cases, when, besides him, dozens of other political scientists predicted something. He may be a good historian and PR man, but a weak political forecaster. Moreover, weighed down with latent "Ukrainianship", which, due to a number of understandable circumstances, cannot advertise. Like a Russian nationalist, but very worried about the Probander Ukrainian nationalists. In a legal, law-abiding form, it expresses the interests of those slightly twisted Russian nationalists who respect Biletsky's "Azovites" or even fight in his structure. He held out as a teacher at MGIMO for a long time.
          2. alone
            alone 17 May 2020 12: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Silvestr
            all you have to do is sing songs

            This is Vitaliy - Mikhan .. Incorrigible cheer-patriot ... That is scattered with shells, then it is bombarded by aircraft all in a row, sometimes it crushes with tanks .. In a word, it’s incorrigible ..
            1. Arpad
              Arpad 17 May 2020 12: 49 New
              +5
              Quote: lonely
              Quote: Silvestr
              all you have to do is sing songs

              This is Vitaliy - Mikhan .. Incorrigible cheer-patriot ... That is scattered with shells, then it is bombarded by aircraft all in a row, sometimes it crushes with tanks .. In a word, it’s incorrigible ..

              Yes, he only has nicknames - for a full-fledged division.
              1. alone
                alone 17 May 2020 12: 50 New
                +5
                Quote: Arpad
                Yes, he only has nicknames - for a full-fledged division.

                Most importantly, the slogans are the same .. laughing laughing
              2. Tutahamon
                Tutahamon 17 May 2020 13: 53 New
                -4
                Quote: Arpad
                Yes, he only has nicknames - for a full-fledged division.

                tried to calculate it is.!
                Since 2015, the heart attack was illegal then (when Crimea became OUR and VO officially registered)))), almost every day .. wink
                I have not survived for more than one day .. They shoot accurately! Especially such a Moebius is here .. Materit me every day, when calculating .. Funny comrade and funny will die! hi
                Well, everything is shorter .. Goodbye men and see you ..
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 May 2020 14: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  Well, everything is shorter .. Goodbye men and see you ..

                  have a nice one you too
                2. Karabin
                  Karabin 17 May 2020 14: 47 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  ... and see you ..

                  See you later. Well, what a village without a fool?
                  1. Tutahamon
                    Tutahamon 17 May 2020 16: 48 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Karabin
                    Quote: Tutahamon
                    ... and see you ..

                    See you later. Well, what a village without a fool?

                    Are you insulting Yuri? Bad of you, and disgusting ..
                    I would apologize for the "village idiot" .. I live in the province, so what? ..Maybe I express my opinion clumsily. But you are sitting there and others in Moscow, but how to fight then OUR children and grandchildren are dying ... YOU are falling down your tongue .. negative
                    You whine here, and then the tails are pressed .. If it touches what for Russia!
                    I remember you neolibber .. ..Uh, something suffered Yes there are dozens of Bandera and Vlasovites sitting here .. negative
                    1. Karabin
                      Karabin 17 May 2020 20: 46 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Tutahamon
                      I live in the province, so what? .

                      The province is yours, Vitaly has absolutely nothing to do with it. By "village", in your case, is meant the VO site. There is a popular saying about the village and the fool. So, VO is without Meehan, the village is without a fool. So, an early reincarnation. laughing
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 17 May 2020 13: 24 New
              +6
              Quote: lonely
              This is Vitaliy - Mikhan ..

              immediately realized the old handwriting
              1. Tutahamon
                Tutahamon 17 May 2020 13: 41 New
                -7
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: lonely
                This is Vitaliy - Mikhan ..

                immediately realized the old handwriting

                And you hoped for a novice to run into and his brain pumped off with power and Russia? laughing That's why I'm here every day! negative

                Such things are going on in Rostelecom)))
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 May 2020 13: 58 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  And you hoped for a novice to run into and his brain pumped off with power and Russia?

                  everyone lives with his brain and to teach someone is a stupid and useless thing
                  1. Tutahamon
                    Tutahamon 17 May 2020 15: 00 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    everyone lives with his brain and to teach someone is a stupid and useless thing

                    And you after all accepted me for the beginner and began to brainwash me? Indeed ..)))) And how many of you are such washers ..?
                    While my heart is beating, I will catch you on this and troll ..
                    And then he began to chew on me here about Russia, etc. .. ha ha ha
                    I can smell you at the genetic level! laughing
                2. alone
                  alone 17 May 2020 14: 47 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Tutahamon
                  Down with power and Russia?

                  Eh Vtalik .... Russia is Russia ... And what is power? People who have been given the right to rule Russia .. In your opinion, if power leaves, then everything? And Russia will not.? .. According to your logic, there shouldn’t be any states left on the globe .. Because everywhere in the world, ever power changes ..just different replacement methods .. peaceful and bloody
                  1. Tutahamon
                    Tutahamon 17 May 2020 16: 37 New
                    -4
                    Quote: lonely
                    In your opinion, if power leaves, then everything? And Russia will not be.? .. According to your logic, there shouldn’t be any states left on the globe ... because everywhere in the world ever power is changing .. just different replacement methods .. peaceful and bloody

                    Power in Russia, it’s popular yet ..! Remember how the noblemen of the landowners were raised on the forks and then extinguished the officers? Here she is real in Russia !!! Now it’s starting, patience is at the limit ..
                    We will begin to drive the Basmachis, along the windows and other Baltic states .. soldier
                    Everything in history repeats itself and Russia is even STRONGER becoming .. While we are concentrating! hi
                    1. alone
                      alone 17 May 2020 16: 40 New
                      +3
                      laughing Well ... Bays about spaceships that plow the Bolshoi Theater fool
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 17 May 2020 16: 56 New
          +3
          Soloviev, log in
  14. Million
    Million 17 May 2020 09: 16 New
    +5
    If the Saudis were blown away, then we can expect another rise in price of gasoline
  15. Grading
    Grading 17 May 2020 09: 18 New
    -2
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Quote: Grading
    Salaries are not citizens of the country!

    Then, for justice, it would be necessary to drop the wide range of prices for all goods and services ... For comparison wink hi

    And in Google for Prigogine’s ban introduced?
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 56 New
      -12
      Quote: Grading
      And in Google for Prigogine’s ban introduced?

      And what is the cost of vodka? There probably all of this menu completely covers !!!! And who are Prigogine’s? laughing
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 13: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: Tutahamon
        And what is the cost of vodka?

        They can’t drink, Vital. crying
        1. Tutahamon
          Tutahamon 17 May 2020 15: 07 New
          -3
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Tutahamon
          And what is the cost of vodka?

          They can’t drink, Vital. crying

          Yes, I know Victor, that’s what such prices are ... And vodka of wine would be desirable, so much so that there is enough money for two days))) Yes, they can even plant a head and chop off if there is no money to buy it))) wassat
  16. Grading
    Grading 17 May 2020 09: 26 New
    -3
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Quote: Grading
    Salaries are not citizens of the country!

    Then, for justice, it would be necessary to drop the wide range of prices for all goods and services ... For comparison wink hi

    Quote: Rurikovich
    Quote: Grading
    Salaries are not citizens of the country!

    Then, for justice, it would be necessary to drop the wide range of prices for all goods and services ... For comparison wink hi

    And here is the price of gasoline for 1 liter -16 rubles. and how do they survive the poor fellow there? laughing
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 09: 59 New
      -4
      Quote: Grading
      And here is the price of gasoline for 1 liter -16 rubles. and how do they survive the poor fellow there?

      And where are they going there then? And gasoline is probably not frost-resistant ..
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 18 May 2020 21: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Tutahamon
        And where are they going there then?

        all goods are transported by road. And this affects the price. And we still have Plato.
        Cars for 1000 people:
        Sa-336 (2012)
        Russia-309 (2018)
  17. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 May 2020 09: 44 New
    +3
    outplayed themselves ... had to learn to play chess in order to calculate options for many moves forward ...
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 17 May 2020 10: 25 New
    +3
    Soon the fairy tale affects and it does not matter that it is oriental, 1001 nose, they can tell there, only the narrator is no longer the same as in the old days, a masterpiece will not work.
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 12: 31 New
      -6
      Quote: rocket757
      Soon the fairy tale affects and it does not matter that it is oriental, 1001 nose, they can tell there, only the narrator is no longer the same as in the old days, a masterpiece will not work.

      The Storyteller is not the same Victor! Accurately noticed ..
      The old days are gone, now it’s hard for us to pump through those born in the USSR, etc.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 May 2020 12: 43 New
        +1
        People are generally different! In any country, in any era, there were geniuses, there were fools.
        An indicator of the average level of development, also a peculiar value!
        In the words of Zadornov - we, Soviet, Russian, in the broad sense, of course, each in itself a philosopher, genius, master and all in one glass! How to get together, create, don’t understand what !!!
        Tezh Yankees, in general, are not very easy, not very good ... but how they get together, do what they want, what they need!
        1. Tutahamon
          Tutahamon 17 May 2020 13: 19 New
          -5
          Quote: rocket757
          People are generally different! In any country, in any era, there were geniuses, there were fools.
          An indicator of the average level of development, also a peculiar value!

          I agree, but still Russia is rich in world-class personalities .. We are all waiting for what should appear nevertheless .. hi
          Quote: rocket757
          In the words of Zadornov - we, Soviet, Russian, in the broad sense, of course, each in itself a philosopher, genius, master and all in one glass! How to get together, create, don’t understand what !!!

          That's right, we need to get together ALL together and again something in world history "will do an epoch-making"))) We are ours, we will build a new world, who was nothing. This will become ALL!
          Quote: rocket757
          Tezh Yankees, in general, are not very easy, not very good ... but how they get together, do what they want, what they need!

          Well, in the last 30 years, they only rob and bomb and bucks print massively ....
          Right now, they have debts of 20 trillion and they are choosing who to rob, bleed and write off everything, as in the 30s!
          So Victor, you need to be on your guard ..
  19. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 May 2020 10: 52 New
    +1
    I think the Saudi influx on us was agreed with the United States. We will reduce our share, the United States takes our place in the market. But we did not bend over, the Saudis got bogged down and framed the USA. Demand in the world because of the coronavirus is low, but everyone has flooded with cheap oil under the very throats of China, the United States, the EU, and tankers and storage facilities. repeat
    Oil refining, chemical plants need to be built (1. we will not be a gas station; 2. plastic can lie down) repeat
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 18 May 2020 17: 57 New
      0
      I completely agree. From the very beginning it was a poker bluff for the Russian bourgeoisie to fold the oil "cards" thrown. An was not abandoned, what life taught all the same, and even "his cow" felt sorry.
  20. Grading
    Grading 17 May 2020 11: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Tutahamon
    Quote: Silvestr
    and suddenly, bang bang!

    You are happy)))) You will not wait for the sylvester, all these problems and sanctions, very necessary for Russia! The government begins to move and the oligarchy begins to pinch ..
    And you can’t wait for the collapse of Russia! Most likely the whole world is in ruin, than Russia will kneel down again .. Have suffered in the 90s!

  21. parusnik
    parusnik 17 May 2020 11: 30 New
    -1
    Like in a joke:. Two cowboys are walking along the prairie. Boring. One says to the other: we bet a hundred that we’ll eat manure from under my horse? They argued. One ate the second manure gave 100 bucks. They're coming. The second toad strangled. And I bet that I’ll eat the dung from under my horse .. You? You’re a weakling, your mother gave birth to you from the wrong place ... Argued .. The second returned his 100 bucks ... They go on the prairie. The first, it seems, stayed with his own .. .And so impressive that the manure was full ...
  22. Kronos
    Kronos 17 May 2020 11: 47 New
    +4
    Is this already the article from the series we won?
  23. alone
    alone 17 May 2020 11: 57 New
    +7
    First of all, we need to discuss our problems .. this war has no winners. A country that sells oil a priori cannot be a winner if the price of oil falls below the baseboard .. Moreover, when the price of oil falls, the price of natural gas also falls.

    P.S. We all should not expect anything good from this oil war .. The prices for gasoline did not drop, and money somehow didn’t come from that anymore. On the contrary, many lost their jobs
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 May 2020 12: 53 New
    +6
    As always, we "overpowered" everyone.
    They have a 15% VAT bulet, we have 20% for a year now, and the standard of living. Etc.
    But in fact, it is well known that when these prices fall, all miners lose, all consumers win.
    Toto China, India, even USAA and Belarus are stocked.
    Indicator - 15 year - wrote, lower oil prices gave Europe an economic growth of 3%
  25. iouris
    iouris 17 May 2020 14: 13 New
    +1
    It is dangerous for those who live in a glass house to throw stones ...
    1. Tutahamon
      Tutahamon 17 May 2020 15: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: iouris
      It is dangerous for those who live in a glass house to throw stones ...

      Husits ​​have thrown more than once ..!
      1. iouris
        iouris 17 May 2020 16: 14 New
        +1
        Husites live in caves.
  26. Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK 17 May 2020 18: 31 New
    -4
    I'm conducting an experiment, I'll tell you about the results after calculating the "lines". So, we started
    - "Russian kapets !!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Go!
  27. tagil
    tagil 17 May 2020 18: 50 New
    -4
    Now site analysts here will prove to us that Saudi Arabia is stronger than ever, they have cheaper gas than sewage, they camels in the 50s of the last century because of love for nature, they wiped their ass with sand because they protected the forest in Russia , Europe and God's chosen America, and the Saudi sheikhs had their own camels because of caring for women (what nonsense I’m reading, you don’t even read that), they cut their heads drunk out of pity so that they don’t suffer a hangover, the United States will not give them an abyss, products are cheap well etc. In general, as always, and most importantly, the Putin regime is lying. Do not look at Kiselyov and Solovyov, look at the most truthful SNN and Rain, listen to the Echo of Moscow, keep a duck under your bed (just in case, suddenly Navalny will win), in general Putin’s power to get in, we will put everyone out into the open.
    1. bk316
      bk316 18 May 2020 00: 29 New
      -1
      Now here site analysts will prove to us,

      Sergey, where did you see analysts at VO? There isn’t at least one thing - you can tell a nickname
      An oil woman, and even a long, really complicated thing, and the guys can’t understand elementary things like the spread of the coronavirus. Therefore, you will never see the analysis here, slogans, hashtags, thoughtless copy-paste of charts, and especially pictures from the demotivator - please. But the analysis, and even evidence-based, is not for you here.
      1. tagil
        tagil 18 May 2020 08: 29 New
        0
        Sergey, where did you see analysts at VO? There isn’t at least one thing - you can tell a nickname
        Sorry, I did not put the word analyst in brackets. And so you are right, but they pretend to their analytical thinking, and that the most interesting thing is that they consider it the only right one. Well, those who consider their opinion wrong, means against them and means their ATU.
        1. bk316
          bk316 18 May 2020 16: 26 New
          0
          but they pretend to their analytical thinking,

          You see, Sergei, I’m a mathematician by profession, not a political scientist, not a historian, it’s easier for me: in mathematics, correctness is an objective concept.
          Therefore, when such "analysts" express their opinion about, for example, the spread of the coronavirus, they do not distinguish between:
          - mortality from mortality
          - maximum incubation period from the characteristic
          - incubation period from reproductive
          - continuous population testing
          - sigmoid from the exponent
          To me their claims to analytical thinking are deep in the drum.

          Regarding ATU, this just speaks of their lack of any potential for analytical thinking, because the ability to put pressure on "minus" can hardly be considered such laughing

          And there are people at VO (I would even say such a majority) who do not think of themselves as analysts, but sincerely believe that the statements do not need proof. Well, like there is a club for communication on interests, a place where they simply express opinions. You need to understand that they are in their own right, this is not a closed prof. forum.....
          1. tagil
            tagil 18 May 2020 23: 02 New
            0
            I understand everything perfectly. People are all different, and have their own opinions, and many are not military, and even they were not, and some do not believe that their statements need proof, but recently the majority of those living here do not want to "see" reality, do not want to understand what is happening in the country and in the world, it seems to me that they don't even want to think. They talk about things that they poorly understand, or do not understand at all, but at the same time seek to impose their opinion on the majority. Many adjust to others in order to get a plus and rise in rank (naive of course, but they are pleased). I just "trample" people who say reasonable things. And, of course, most of them are not analysts, and they cannot analyze the submitted material (although the overwhelming majority of articles do not contain enough valuable, useful and practical information). Everything you wrote is correct.
            The fact is that for several months I was taught analytics (although analysis is still correct), I myself prepared analytical materials and I know and understand what kind of work it is (although I never liked it, but I need a tale). In order to prepare an analysis on a topic, it needs to be monitored for several years, and then this material is worth something, and maybe even somewhere close to the truth. And even reading an article on this site, I do not presume to comment on it if I do not understand the subject. But others quite confidently carry such that there are no words.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 18 May 2020 22: 58 New
      -1
      What is it with you tagil? Don't be so nervous, the mustache is okay with yours.
      1. tagil
        tagil 18 May 2020 23: 08 New
        +1
        I don’t know who you mean by your word, but mine are really all right with mine.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 19 May 2020 16: 36 New
          -1
          I have no doubt Tagil. Yours are in power.
          I will give one quote:
          I had two ways: the first is to steal and put friends and relatives on the Forbes lists, while leaving my people on bare ground. Second: it is to serve your people and bring the country to the top ten best countries in the world. I chose the second way. "Father is the founder of modern singapore lee kuan yu"

          Of course, Russia is somewhat larger than Singapore. I am about the principle of using the right of power.
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            1. NordUral
              NordUral 19 May 2020 17: 41 New
              -1
              I hope when he dies to come to his grave in Germany and urinate her with burning tears.

              The only thing I agree with you. I also ask you to squeeze a bit for me.
              And I am for another team in which there is no place for either Putinist liberals, urya patriots, or other liberalists, who are supposedly in opposition.
              And this is where your country was brought:
              [media = https: //youtu.be/kfgySYxmsUU: //]
              Proud?
              1. tagil
                tagil 19 May 2020 18: 07 New
                0
                And I am for another team in which there is no place for either Putinist liberals, urya patriots, or other liberalists, who are supposedly in opposition.
                To be honest, I don’t know such a team in Russia and I doubt that such people exist. Such people were at the beginning of the Revolution, in any case there were a majority of them, such people were under Stalin, although he shortened them. Well, after Stalin, a party ticket meant only one thing - this is the path to power for a small category of communists. And it doesn’t matter that you are a bastard, that you have nothing to do with the people. A party ticket was needed only for a career, otherwise, neither a summer residence, nor a distributor of products, nor a Kremlin atelier for a wife, nor Italian tile that was produced in small batches but not for the people. And the main thing is inviolability for yourself and your offspring, no matter what crime you commit.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 19 May 2020 18: 13 New
                  -1
                  Tagil! Yes, there is no command yet, but it will be. The situation will force.
                  And according to the "communists" after Stalin, I agree. And this ball continues, only the current ones are no longer covered with a fig leaf.
                  1. tagil
                    tagil 19 May 2020 18: 19 New
                    0
                    Yes, there is no command yet, but it will be.
                    Perhaps it will be so. And didn’t you think that Putin was setting the stage for such a team? When he came to power it was too late to return everything (there were six years of wild capitalism), or this return would have been through a lot of blood. And so the bird pecks one grain at a time.
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 19 May 2020 18: 24 New
                      -1
                      I thought, but now this is in the past, unfortunately.
                      And so the bird pecks one grain at a time.

                      They’re pecking, that's for sure, so they will peck at all of us and all of Russia or sell them at a cheap price.
                      1. tagil
                        tagil 19 May 2020 18: 34 New
                        0
                        Well, do not be so dramatic. And first, we must assume that China has long been sold with all the guts to any capital who wants to buy or build its own business there.
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 19 May 2020 18: 38 New
                        -1
                        China did not sell out, but used its only chance - the stupidity and greed of the West!
                        And I’m not dramatizing, because we still don’t know the real horror, still ahead.
                      3. tagil
                        tagil 19 May 2020 18: 44 New
                        0
                        And I’m not dramatizing, because we still don’t know the real horror, still ahead.
                        I hope you are mistaken. Unlike China, Russia has always been under pressure from the West, Russia throughout its history is considered the enemy, the number one enemy and will always be considered.
                        China did not sell out, but used its only chance - the stupidity and greed of the West!
                        And we also use the West, but you must understand that this use has its own specifics. We’ll wait and see.
                      4. NordUral
                        NordUral 19 May 2020 18: 52 New
                        -1
                        RUSSIA - the USSR and Russia - the Russian Federation are not comparable values. Looking out the window and waiting for the result is not mine.
                        For now - I will always vote against these and others to call for this. Then we’ll see, there are already many (relatively) years, but I hope to live to see the new RUSSIA.
                      5. tagil
                        tagil 19 May 2020 18: 55 New
                        0
                        Good luck. I also want to live to see a better Russia. But the fifth column infuriates me more than officials.
                      6. NordUral
                        NordUral 19 May 2020 18: 59 New
                        -1
                        Sergei! So officials (for the most part) are the fifth column.
                        I hope only for one thing that the people will wake up from the hardship, and the leaders of the left and the whole patriotic opposition will create a united front of the struggle in the elections with these non-humans.
                      7. tagil
                        tagil 19 May 2020 19: 11 New
                        0
                        Others will come to the place of these bureaucrats, the nature of them is such to consider the place they inherited as their patrimony allocated to them for feeding. I'm afraid not to remake them. But you can fight them. But the fifth column wants to come to power having destroyed the country, but the main thing is to get to the trough, and there the West and America will do everything to keep them in power forever. It is vile and dangerous, this is the death of the country. Ukraine is an example.
                      8. NordUral
                        NordUral 19 May 2020 19: 20 New
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                        I will not argue. I hope that the left patriots will win. And rushing to the trough, given all the experience of our country, I think you can neutralize.
  • akunin
    akunin 18 May 2020 08: 58 New
    +3
    If we compare the kingdom with Russia, then our state has one undeniable advantage in the form of a floating ruble exchange rate.
    is the author raving?
    The fact is that we are now far from a worldwide gas station, the share of hydrocarbon money in the budget does not exceed half. Initially, it was easier for our country to enter into a confrontation with the Saudis with their 90% dependence on oil (although 75% are said in the country itself).
    primacy with us was taken by saudi arabia.
    Then unpopular measures will be taken in the form of further cancellation of part of social guarantees - clear signs of a final loss in the oil war with Russia.
    ah yes sechin, ah yes ... son (sarcasm).
    Do not think that such consequences await exclusively the Middle East kingdom. Similar problems now have all oil-producing countries. Indicative in this sense is Norway.
    , and we all get hurt.
    If Norway, which does not fight with anyone on the oil market and even does not enter OPEC, had to be tight in this situation, then what can we say about Saudi Arabia!
    , but about Russia? standing, I applaud the author: "encore, encore ..."
    why canceled a minus one rate for an article on a site?
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 18 May 2020 09: 21 New
    +1
    And now, by 2030, the crown prince decided to remove the country from the "oil needle".
    Something it reminds me of ..))

    One of the provisions of Vision 2030 now seems anecdotal, according to which Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman promised the country in 2020 a stable economy with oil at $ 30 per barrel.

    Is this the Saudi version of our edra manifest ?? Where, by 2020, there were promised a lot of thousands of dollars in salary, three-room apartments for everyone, etc., etc., etc. ..))
    Really Slaman from Putin became infected ..))

    Oil, of course, won back something, but now the Saudis have cheap oil too, and they will sell it in smaller volumes.

    Curious fact ..
    It seems like they talked about this a month ago .. that the Russian Federation also reduced by 2,5 million instead of 500 thousand, and oil also became cheap ..
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 May 2020 09: 51 New
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    This is not an amateur Saudis. The oil war with Russia is a US idea and not new. They believed themselves that they had "won" the USSR in the "cold war" and that they would now also defeat Russia.
    Now they realize that even today's Russia cannot be defeated like that. Only in the head of an American is the appearance of such a crazy idea possible - to destroy a state that has the entire periodic table and all modern technologies and is able to live without any export, a blow to the export of energy resources.
    Using for this purpose a state that has no technology and is completely dependent on the export of oil only.
  • Essex62
    Essex62 18 May 2020 11: 29 New
    -1
    Quote: LAWNER
    If you are a resident of the Vyshny Volochok, take your deputies for causality. Or write a statement to the prosecutor. And then write to VO how you struggle with the administration.

    It would be very interesting to see how these that lie on their bunks, the deputies are taken for personal belongings and to hear what they will be answered by the prosecutor's office. You, not otherwise, have a huge bag of dough and on a short leg with the above gentlemen. Only this, if they trample across the system, quickly break off the horns and let them go around the world, into the flesh up to the "sky in a cage" or an unmarked grave in a forest belt ... Wild capitalism of the Russian Federation considers residents as food and does not allow the possibility of butting with systemically important citizens who have power and loot. Achieving victory over one of these can only be achieved by the interest of a competing group, with a view to displacing and planting your Caudla in a holy place. This, as is clear, is not available to the citizens of the feed. Incl. the walls of the hospital wards in V. Volochka, and others like him, will still be shabby. And in some places there are no such ones left, they are optimized. You are an optimist, my friend. Respect.
    1. bk316
      bk316 19 May 2020 15: 30 New
      +1
      and only in such a way, if they trample across the system, they quickly break their horns and

      And do not drag across the system. That’s why I can’t respect the wrestlers - all their Titian efforts go into the struggle with the system and air shaking.

      The system must be used correctly. This is especially true of the arbitrariness and lounging of local princes. The system can very easily roll them into a sheet can. And most of them understand this very well. The chaos again remained mostly in the 90s. Some are now on this site in the ranks of all the same fighters with the regime.

      I can give examples from here to lunch. There is a sin I like to put such in place.
      About the backbone ... How do you rate the director of the branch of the district Sberbank, forming or not? Or the district chief of elektrosbyt?
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 21 May 2020 07: 34 New
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        Melokota. Nothing about. Although with these gentlemen, not everything will be simple without the support of those holding power higher. And to reach them, how to reach Mars.
        Yes, it is necessary to use it; the result is practically impossible to achieve. Well, unless for yourself beloved something to push puzhuyu bureaucrat.
        You cannot cancel optimization, read liquidation, free medicine. This is a systemic task of power. For hell, she does not have core assets. Salvage must be done, seized. Capitalism and justice are not compatible concepts.
  • Essex62
    Essex62 18 May 2020 12: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: Sergej1972
    What is the abbreviation RN you have constantly?

    Quote: Mole
    Rosneft
    Quote: Sergej1972
    What is the abbreviation RN you have constantly?

    Rudder. laughing
  • andrew42
    andrew42 18 May 2020 18: 08 New
    +1
    The cheery tone of the article is frankly annoying. Oil is falling for everyone, all players are busy with the protection of their oil industry, pushing in the market, and even biting. The oil needle in the Russian economy has the size bless you! Here the words of the hero performed by Papanov from "Beware of the Car" are appropriate: "Don't worry, Kozlodoev! Let's sit down with a mustache!" The question is whose economy will sag more. But it will definitely not be the States. If Russia had efficient processing in large volumes, then there would be a reason for calm. But this is not the case.
  • Plowman
    Plowman 18 May 2020 19: 04 New
    +2
    What a naive article, apparently Sechen ordered, in order to whitewash their call to throw the Arabs. We are back at the negotiating table and will cut back on what was originally. And the losses we have are much higher. It's like with gas pipelines, there Miller plays in the sandbox, here is Sechen. And the result .... some losses. (more precisely, significant lost profits). If Ulyukaev sat down for a couple of lyamas, then Sechen will be short of life. But whoever puts him in prison is a friend ....
  • NordUral
    NordUral 18 May 2020 22: 50 New
    -3
    I don't care what happens to the Saudis.
    But the future of the country worries.
    Here is a video about it.

    We think what awaits us with these "effective" "national" assets and the country's leadership.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 20 May 2020 08: 49 New
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    If we compare the kingdom with Russia, then our state has one undeniable advantage in the form of a floating ruble exchange rate.

    Everything would be fine, only the course is not floating, the course is sinking, just addictive to the swamp.
    There are no winners in this "war", there are only losers.
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 20 May 2020 17: 56 New
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    Why are they defeated? They achieved their goal, one might even say they won, albeit at a very high price. Russia had to sign an agreement on production reductions and implement it, and the reduction was quite considerable, which we initially refused in every possible way, and it was our refusal that caused the price war. After reducing production, oil prices slowly climbed up. And a fall in income amid a coronavirus pandemic is inevitable, why bother about the Saudis when we have problems because of this above the roof.