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There was information about the alleged arrest of a defendant in the case of MH17 in Donetsk

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There was information about the alleged arrest of a defendant in the case of MH17 in Donetsk

There was information that in Donetsk one of those people allegedly arrested by the Netherlands prosecutor on the list of 4 defendants in the case of the downed Malaysian Boeing MH17 was allegedly arrested. The arrest is reported by representatives of the "Russian Service of the BBC."


The material stated that we are talking about a man named Leonid Kharchenko.

It is noteworthy that the reports stated about his "arrest in another case."

At the same time, the “Russian BBC Service” refers to a certain person who in 2014-2015 allegedly had relation to the command of the people's militia (militia) of the DPR. This person is said to live in Donetsk. Apparently, he decided to share his "experiences" with the BBC. And the same source claims that "the arrest is apparently necessary for the purpose to isolate Kharchenko."

The material says that Kharchenko was "arrested" on a "ridiculous charge" of illegally conducting a search and illegal storage weapons.

So far, there is no official confirmation of the data on the arrest of Kharchenko.

Recall that the trial in the case of MH17 began in the Netherlands on March 9. The main defendants in addition to the mentioned Kharchenko are three: Igor Girkin, Oleg Pulatov and Sergey Dubinsky. In connection with the pandemic, the process was suspended.

Recall that in July this year marks the sixth anniversary of the tragedy in the Grabovo region. At the same time, the Dutch prosecutor’s office does not consider it necessary to study the case file, including such an episode as fragments of the rocket that the Boeing was shot down. The same rocket, which, as it turned out, belonged to the APU.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 May 2020 17: 21 New
    16
    И тридцать лет пройдет а голландцы будут "искать доказательства " , и обвинять Россию! Факты, как и правда им не нужны, команда" фас " в сторону России это европейское всё !В том числе, и совесть. ..
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 14 May 2020 19: 02 New
      -3
      Why so? That's because the author bluntly stated:
      The same rocket, which, as it turned out, belonged to the APU.
      It’s just not clear why he is declaring this at VO, and not at The Hague or at the tribunal?
      1. Abbot
        Abbot 14 May 2020 21: 38 New
        +2
        Русской службе Би-би-си стало известно, что в марте в Донецке был арестован Леонид Харченко - ключевой фигурант дела о крушении малайзийского "Боинга" МН17 (https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-52650309)

        Очевидно, что продолжается информационная компания по очернению и фальсификации. Теперь надо представить "общественности" фигурантов дела, обвиняемых прокуратурой Нидерландов, в качестве этаких закоренелых криминальных личностей. Где Русская служба Би-Би-Си, где Донецк? Ан нет, филиалу министерства пропаганды им. Геббельса "стало известно". Свободная пресса, my ass!
      2. tolmachiev51
        tolmachiev51 15 May 2020 03: 31 New
        -1
        Это не автор ,а МО РФ предоставило весь расклад о "путешествии " этой ракеты , которая и оказалась в ВСУ.
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 15 May 2020 06: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        The same rocket, which, as it turned out, belonged to the APU.

        It remains only to understand where this rocket came from? For example, the rocket that AA blew up in the experiment scattered to pieces with the engine. And on the photos presented, the engine parts are simply deformed, as if they just fell from a height without undermining the b / h. Pvolniki, what do you say? Is it possible?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 15 May 2020 09: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Hagen
          It remains only to understand whence took this rocket?

          The Ministry of Defense told in great detail the full history of the rocket, the engine of which is presented by the Dutch as found on the crash field from the factory to the military unit on the territory of Ukraine.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 15 May 2020 09: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            represented by the Dutch, as found on the crash field - from the factory to the military unit on the territory of Ukraine.

            That part of the rocket does not look like a piece of that particular rocket. What is the question, where did this part come from in the investigation team? After all, when undermined, it should not have been preserved in this form, judging by the experiment. I suspect that the Dutch have a tuff rocket engine, as well as those photos that they present as evidence of transporting a BUK on a trailer.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 May 2020 09: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Hagen
              Do not like that part of the rocket per piece exactly that rocket.

              Вы видели "ту" ракету?
              Quote: Hagen
              What is the question, where did this part come from in the investigation team?

              from the crash field
              Quote: Hagen
              After all, when undermining she shouldn't have preserved in this form, judging by the experiment.

              none I have not claimed
              Quote: Hagen
              I suspect that the Dutch have a rocket engine

              what for?! Against yourself ... yourself?
              Quote: Hagen
              those photos that they present as evidence of transporting a BUK on a trailer

              well, this is already proven bullshit ....
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 15 May 2020 10: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                Вы видели "ту" ракету?

                Nobody saw her, I think. What was shown is most likely not relevant to the incident.
                Quote: Olgovich
                from the crash field

                It was possible to bring an elephant to this field. It was not guarded and periodically fired by ukraine.
                Quote: Olgovich
                what for?! Against yourself ... yourself?

                Then, that the Dutch do not care about anyone. They were told to take the piece of iron into the evidence, they accepted. The investigation is not managed by the RLS, but by another authority, which has classified its materials in the case. In fact, with a high degree of probability, in addition to ukrov, the CIA + MI-6 participated. There is information about this that is not accepted for consideration by the OSG.
                Quote: Olgovich
                well, this is already proven bullshit ....

                Nevertheless, the report appears as evidence of the version of Gerashchenko-Avakov, according to which Buk was brought from the Russian Federation, shot once and taken back.
                Quote: Olgovich
                no one claimed

                Whose statements do you know? There is an English professor of Dutch production who gives his own, more detailed investigation into this case than notes on the Internet. There is a meticulous German lawyer who also investigates the case privately. They have interesting things. In addition, I initially asked people familiar with air defense about the possibility of the demonstrated safety of the rocket engine, which the Dutch showed at a press conference.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 16 May 2020 08: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Nobody saw her, I think. What was shown is most likely not relevant to the incident.

                  WHY did the FOLLOWERS show her?
                  Quote: Hagen
                  It was possible to bring an elephant to this field. It was not guarded and periodically fired by ukraine.

                  So what? WHAT FOR?
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Then, that the Dutch do not care about anyone. They were told to take the piece of iron into the evidence.

                  What for?
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Nevertheless, the report appears as evidence of the version of Gerashchenko-Avakov, according to which Buk was brought from the Russian Federation, shot once and taken back.

                  photo with Ross beech-proven fakes
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Whose statements do you know? There is an English professor of Dutch production who gives his own, more detailed investigation into this case than notes on the Internet. There is a meticulous German lawyer who also investigates the case privately. They have interesting things. In addition, I initially asked people familiar with air defense about the possibility of the demonstrated safety of the rocket engine, which the Dutch showed at a press conference.

                  there are allegations of that. that the engine is being destroyed.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 16 May 2020 09: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    WHY did the FOLLOWERS show her?

                    To prove that it really was Buk.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    So what? WHAT FOR?

                    The wreckage of an airplane on the field is material evidence that restores the picture of the crime. After shelling the wreckage, traces that are not related to the crime appear on them. Knowing that they were fired, traces can always be written off for firing, which fall out of the OSG version of the causes of the crash of the plane. You do not need to have seven spans in your forehead to understand this.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    photo with Ross beech-proven fakes

                    Who proved? Who takes this evidence into account? Judging by the fact that the OSG version of Gerashchenko-Avakov is considered as the main one, he did not prove it.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    there are allegations of that. that the engine is being destroyed.

                    Where not, on the Internet? And in other sources? Even AA somehow didn’t mention it in the press releases, I mean the condition of the blown up rocket. Although some in the West say directly - the rocket, including the engine, was broken into small fragments during the experiment. Therefore, I, and not only me, had doubts. The media give us information in a very reduced form.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 14 May 2020 21: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      И тридцать лет пройдет а голландцы будут "искать доказательства " , и обвинять Россию! Факты, как и правда им не нужны, команда" фас " в сторону России это европейское всё !В том числе, и совесть. ..

      Ничего ,думаю не долго осталось ! Сейчас у "гегемона " хватка ослабнет (кризис в экономике на носу) и побегут Порошенки и Парасюки рассказывать ,кто кому сколько заплатил за сбивание МН-17 и куда дели диспетчеров ,кто отдавал приказы.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 15 May 2020 06: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: APASUS
        Nothing, I think not long left!

        I think no one will look for anything. This barrel organ will be endless. Today, this is not the first accusation made without evidence. A new legal thinking is being formed when the presumption of innocence is applied very selectively. The carcass, shot down by ukrami in 2001, shows that they will remain silent on this subject, as well as on MH17, until the end of the story.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 15 May 2020 09: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Hagen
          I think no one will look for anything. This barrel organ will be endless. Today, this is not the first accusation made without evidence. A new legal thinking is formed when the presumption of innocence is applied very selectively

          So this is, first of all, our interest. It will be necessary just to seize the moment so that a new legal thinking is not formed
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 15 May 2020 11: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: APASUS
            So this is primarily our interest

            We are conducting our investigation, but it is not official. We do not have access to material evidence. And will not be. One pilot who was supposed to have traces of exposure was already cremated. Most of the aircraft, even from the field, have not yet been assembled, and the one that was assembled was cut for an incomprehensible purpose.
            Quote: APASUS
            You just have to take a moment

            I think that our opponents are doing everything so that we could not use anything in the interests of truth. The plane was shot, I think, deliberately, and those who did it will do their best so that we don’t get anything from the truth. The remaining victims of the case, although citizens of their own countries (countries officially investigating the case), but they are not interested in them.
            Moreover, I think that the court decision will not be in favor of the truth, but against the Russian Federation. And assuming a guilty verdict, changes are being made to the constitution of the Russian Federation for the sake of one article.
  2. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 14 May 2020 17: 25 New
    -2
    Great. a citizen, it seems, was arrested for something, but visionaries from idiocy decided to carry out an operation to discredit this citizen, putting the blame on him for the fact that he could be involved in the disaster. The idea is this: HIS IT IS HIDDEN from justice for a crime with an airplane. In a pre-trial detention center, where no one will be allowed to be interrogated in this case.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 15 May 2020 09: 05 New
      -3
      В этом плане очень интересна позиция Стрелкова, который безусловно знает кто сбил самолёт, но каждый раз отделывается формулой:"ДНР самолёт не сбивала".
      Since he does not particularly hide his political ambitions, he does not want to compromise himself with a lie, preferring this flaw.
      The question that everyone should ask themselves is the following - would he shy away from a direct answer if the plane were shot down by APU?
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 May 2020 17: 35 New
    16
    А почему "российские орки" тогда уж на "зачистили" свидетелей? Раз уж такой Мордор, что аж амнистированных разведчиков с дочерьми и кошаками травит аж в центре демократии... wassat
    This is sarcasm with irony in half ...
    Bullshit, this message ... That's how to relate to these media?
    1. major147
      major147 14 May 2020 20: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Bullshit,

      "«Русская служба Би-Би-Си» при этом ссылается на некоего человека, который в 2014-2015 годах якобы имел отношение к командованию народной милицией (ополчением) ДНР. Этот человек, как утверждается, проживает в Донецке. Видимо, он решил поделиться своими «переживаниями» именно с «Би-Би-Си». И этот же источник заявляет, что «арест, видимо, необходим с той целью, чтобы Харченко изолировать»."


      В общем, "одна бабка сказала"!
      1. bycharashkO
        bycharashkO 15 May 2020 06: 59 New
        +3
        Bbc - бabka бabke сshowed up.
  4. Evdokim
    Evdokim 14 May 2020 17: 44 New
    +5
    The arrest is reported by representatives of the "Russian Service of the BBC."

    Как сообщает агентство "ОБС",в лондонской редакции "ВВС" замечены представители «Русской службы Би-Би-Си» занятых сосанием собственных пальцев с целью получения сенсационных новостей по делу о сбитом малайзийском «Боинге» MH17. wassat
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 14 May 2020 18: 32 New
      +8
      Чтобы получить"сенсационные" новости эти журналисты готовы сосать что угодно.
    2. T.Henks
      T.Henks 15 May 2020 10: 42 New
      +1
      However, it is dangerous. A virus, it is so many-sided. The suction may not backfire there. Take care. Bb syatam.
  5. cniza
    cniza 14 May 2020 17: 54 New
    +3
    There is an information war, and they will not throw such a thing ...
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 May 2020 21: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: cniza
      There is an information war, and they will not throw such a thing ...

      something else is interesting here ... are they really want to bring them to war with Russia with their motions, as in the year 41 ??? recourse
  6. bzbo
    bzbo 14 May 2020 18: 00 New
    +2
    It’s time to catch a couple of Dutch experts and judges
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 14 May 2020 21: 41 New
      +1
      No need to catch. Buckwheat feed with Novice.
  7. bzbo
    bzbo 14 May 2020 18: 00 New
    +2
    15 years ago there was a murder, which to this day is remembered, written, made films. February 24, 2004 in the suburbs of Zurich, air traffic controller Peter Nielsen was killed in his home. His fate was in the hands of the Russian Vitaly Kaloev, who could not reconcile with the loss of his family in the crash of a passenger plane over Lake Constance on July 1, 2002.
    The only way they understand ...
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 14 May 2020 21: 42 New
      +1
      The Ukrainian dispatcher knows this story well. For several years now, on the run.
  8. Junior Private
    Junior Private 14 May 2020 18: 04 New
    +1
    The court will decide on the 300th anniversary of the birth of Lee Harvey Oswald. But somehow, for the past six years, world aviation has openly disdained to fly through the Ukrainian airspace. Why would that be?
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 14 May 2020 18: 10 New
    0
    ... Some kind of games ... Infu was not in vain merged, whether it is true or not
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 May 2020 18: 55 New
    0
    And who arrested him? Kiev?
  11. askort154
    askort154 14 May 2020 19: 06 New
    +5
    The "Russian BBC Service" at the same time refers to a certain person who in 2014-2015 allegedly had to do with the command of the people's militia (militia) of the DPR.

    Странно, "Русская служба БИ-Би-Си" применяет слово - "якобы".
    Сейчас модно применять - "хайли лайкли " (весьма вероятно).
    В уже забытом "деле скрипалей", оно звучало в каждом абзаце.
    1. Moon
      Moon 15 May 2020 08: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: askort154
      The "Russian BBC Service" at the same time refers to a certain person who in 2014-2015 allegedly had to do with the command of the people's militia (militia) of the DPR.

      Странно, "Русская служба БИ-Би-Си" применяет слово - "якобы".
      Сейчас модно применять - "хайли лайкли " (весьма вероятно).
      В уже забытом "деле скрипалей", оно звучало в каждом абзаце.

      you check the source!
      Это на ВО используют "якобы" не в цитате с первоисточника, а как вставку в новость...что резко понижает уровень СМИ.Манипулирование и изменение информации.
      Although what am I talking about - the usual info war.
      Русской службе Би-би-си стало известно, что в марте в Донецке был арестован Леонид Харченко - ключевой фигурант дела о крушении малайзийского "Боинга" МН17, сбитого в небе Донбасса в 2014 году. Он - один из четырех обвиняемых по делу, которое сейчас рассматривает суд в Нидерландах.

      https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-52650309
      и слово "якобы" используеться в первоисточнике лишь раз
      "Обвинения смешные - allegedly участие в незаконном обыске в 2014 году и незаконное хранение оружия, - рассказал собеседник Би-би-си, знакомый с делом арестованного Харченко. - По первому пункту у потерпевших к нему претензий нет. По второму - этот пистолет ему в 2019 году выдали в министерстве госбезопасности для обеспечения личной безопасности в связи с делом МН17".
  12. syndicalist
    syndicalist 14 May 2020 19: 43 New
    -6
    which, as it turned out, belonged to the APU.

    Where did you find out?
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 May 2020 22: 28 New
      +8
      Quote: syndicalist
      which, as it turned out, belonged to the APU.

      Where did you find out?


      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation showed evidence: the missile that shot down a Boeing over the Donbass was Ukrainian
      https://www.stav.kp.ru/daily/26882/3926491/
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 14 May 2020 23: 22 New
        -5
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented evidence:

        I’ll try to calculate which one.
        1) Shot down a Ukrainian plane. The testimony of a mass of witnesses at the scene of the shooting was given.
        2) testimony of the mechanic of the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin
        3) testimony of the Spanish controller Carlos
        4) satellite images on Channel One
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 14 May 2020 23: 59 New
          10
          Quote: syndicalist
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented evidence:

          I’ll try to calculate which one.
          1) Shot down a Ukrainian plane. The testimony of a mass of witnesses at the scene of the shooting was given.
          2) testimony of the mechanic of the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin
          3) testimony of the Spanish controller Carlos
          4) satellite images on Channel One

          Here are the same excuses for the supposedly super-professional Dutch commission !!! what they dragged the evidence with identification numbers themselves, then they themselves began to excuse themselves in your style !!! request wassat
  13. Alevil
    Alevil 14 May 2020 19: 49 New
    +5
    То у них сначала Ким Чен Ын "помер", то теперь кого-то арестовали. Ну ну... laughing
  14. orionvitt
    orionvitt 14 May 2020 21: 48 New
    +2

    "Russian service of the BBC"
    You can not tell further. Thank you, heard enough, back in the 80s
  15. German Titov
    German Titov 14 May 2020 22: 12 New
    +3
    At the same time, the “Russian BBC Service” refers to a certain person who in 2014-2015 allegedly had relation to the command of the people's militia (militia) of the DPR. This person is said to live in Donetsk. Apparently, he decided to share his "experiences" with the BBC. And the same source claims that "the arrest is apparently necessary for the purpose to isolate Kharchenko."

    Якобы арест, якобы к командованию УНМ (в 2014 и понятия такого не было). Якобы я этим новостям поверил, в ДНР живу. Если "пацан" хранил "гаубичную батарею" и проводил незаконные обыска", в "натуре" якобы и арестовывать - то не за что. Якобы уважаемый сайт "ВО"- действительно уважаемый, то чего "говномётам майданным" уподобляться?
    1. Moon
      Moon 15 May 2020 08: 10 New
      0
      Quote: German Titov
      The "Russian BBC Service" at the same time refers to a certain person who in 2014-2015 allegedly had relation to the command of the people's militia (militia) of the DPR

      да не там "якобы"
      Co-worker Harchenko, who agreed to talk with the BBC

      I am amazed - how lazy it is, check the source and compare it with the news on VO.
      Or does the opinion of the author of the news always need to be a priori checked?
  16. HMR333
    HMR333 15 May 2020 08: 51 New
    0
    To hell with these rumors that the grandmother on the bench said? Who would betray him to these crazy dreamers! Yes, since the BBC said yes the most honest .....
  17. revnagan
    revnagan 15 May 2020 11: 19 New
    -5
    "Та самая ракета, которая, как выяснилось, принадлежала ВСУ."(цит.)
    Очень аккуратно,исподволь, гнуть свою линию.Кем выяснилось,кто это признал,какой суд принял доказательства к рассмотрению и признал их подлинность?Ничего этого нет,но" .....ракета,....принадлежала ВСУ."Продолжаем впаривать свою точку зрения. good .
  18. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 15 May 2020 11: 33 New
    0
    Quote: syndicalist
    В этом плане очень интересна позиция Стрелкова, который безусловно знает кто сбил самолёт, но каждый раз отделывается формулой:"ДНР самолёт не сбивала".
    Since he does not particularly hide his political ambitions, he does not want to compromise himself with a lie, preferring this flaw.
    The question that everyone should ask themselves is the following - would he shy away from a direct answer if the plane were shot down by APU?


    Aren't you contradicting yourself? Strelkov knows, therefore, does not speak.
    He does not speak because there is evidence past him. He does not want to look like a small mongrel, flattering alongside venerable experts.
    And here you are.
  19. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 15 May 2020 11: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    The Ukrainian dispatcher knows this story well. For several years now, on the run.

    I doubt I'm running. Most likely, lies. A few meters underground. For, so reliable. Suddenly tired of running around and want to chop off a bunch of dough. It will appear, sort of, all of a sudden on some TV channel and say ......
    Get rich, for whatever task (white or red) did not fulfill its role.
  20. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 15 May 2020 11: 49 New
    0
    Quote: revnagan
    "Та самая ракета, которая, как выяснилось, принадлежала ВСУ."(цит.)
    Очень аккуратно,исподволь, гнуть свою линию.Кем выяснилось,кто это признал,какой суд принял доказательства к рассмотрению и признал их подлинность?Ничего этого нет,но" .....ракета,....принадлежала ВСУ."Продолжаем впаривать свою точку зрения. good .

    The court, in which Chikatilo acts as a prosecutor. What kind of court are you talking about? Are you completely crazy, or so born?
  21. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 15 May 2020 12: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Olgovich
    represented by the Dutch, as found on the crash field - from the factory to the military unit on the territory of Ukraine.

    That part of the rocket does not look like a piece of that particular rocket. What is the question, where did this part come from in the investigation team? After all, when undermined, it should not have been preserved in this form, judging by the experiment. I suspect that the Dutch have a tuff rocket engine, as well as those photos that they present as evidence of transporting a BUK on a trailer.

    А расскажите, какой интерес для этих "судей" подкладывать детали не той ракеты, которая подтверждает их натяжки? Разве не могли достать железяку с номерами именно российской , откуда- нибудь, всенепременнейше, с Дальнего Востока воинской части? Чтобы, уж, наповал и всех......