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The Chinese army will not be able to organize a tank attack on its opponents: the reasons

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The Chinese army will not be able to organize a tank attack on its opponents: the reasons

Photo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/Max Smith



Against the background of numerous articles by the Chinese media that tank PLA troops are constantly improving, and some questions arise.

Today, one of the main land forces of the Chinese army on land is 42,5-ton Type96 tanks in various modifications with unlicensed copies of Soviet 125 mm 2A46M cannons (ZPT-98). In addition, the tank formations are equipped with Type99 armored vehicles (the 3rd generation main battle tank), which the Chinese media often call almost "the best in the world." This is a 54-ton tank, with the cannon still the same - an unlicensed copy of the Soviet one.

As of 2019, Type 99 tanks in the Celestial Army - about 900 (along with modification 99A), and Type 96 and Type 96A tanks - about 2,5 thousand. All together are impressive forces. But there are, after all, other versions of the equipment of tank formations of the armed forces of China.
So what is the question? If they cultivate, then this is their business ...

And the question is, in what direction, in fact, is China going to use its tanks? What directions could a tank attack on opponents organize?



If we take into account current circumstances, then for China the main opponents in the region are India and Taiwan (well, if we discard this rhetoric “we have no opponents,“ one belt, one way ”and stuff like that ...). Even if we assume that China does not consider them as adversaries, then they consider it that way. Indian statements are evidence of this.

So, about the directions.

If we assume that they are trying to concentrate a relatively large group of troops on the border with the same India ... But the photographs published by the PLA themselves often demonstrate that formation of an attack tank fist is problematic in this direction, to put it mildly, there’s even an extra kilogram of equipment and the transfer of ammunition is not easy. Himalayas. The heights are incredible. In the autumn-winter season, temperatures are low, and the snow cover is such that a pair of tanks placed on top of each other can be under it.
In the east - the Tibetan plateau with access to the Karakoram mountain system. For a second, its highest point is not much inferior to Everest - Chogori 8614 m high.



A little to the south is the Gangdis mountain range (aka Transgimalaya) with a width of 300 km in the central part and the highest point - more than 7100 m.

To the southeast are the disputed territories of the Arunachal Pradesh region (Southern Tibet) with its cities at heights of more than 3 thousand meters, passes and narrow corridors at no less heights.

It is unlikely that anyone's tongue will turn to call all of these territories "a successful tank direction."

It would be possible (purely theoretically) to consider the question of landing there armored vehicles - those that are capable of taking on board transport aircraft. But, firstly, with the Chinese Armed Forces, as they say, “it’s not so simple” with the BTA, secondly, with MBT here, and thirdly, even if some armored vehicles are somehow abandoned in these harsh areas, then with whom should she fight there - with the shepherds of yaks? ..
No less useless can be called a hypothetical tank "jerk" in the direction of Taiwan.

Reaching your own coast is one thing. What's next? To load tanks on sea transport and to cross the strait. For this, powerful fire support of such a crossing should be organized - once. It is unlikely that in this way it is possible to "overtake" a sufficient number of tanks in a "normal" battle - two. Yes, and it is unlikely that Taiwan will remain completely without support - three.

It turns out that even with hypothetical tank attacks against regional opponents, the PLA has obvious problems. China simply will not be able to use hundreds and hundreds of its tanks against them - due to banal geography. But there are other directions ... Although what is it about ... There are only solid allies.

Therefore, I would like to think that the only option for using the “armored armada” of the PRC in the notebooks of Chinese generals is, after all, an internal defense in case of any attack from the enemy. To meet the aggressor, so to speak, at home. How else…
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  1. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 14 May 2020 14: 25 New
    25
    Well, so far everything is calm on our border, and the dominance of Chinese immigrants is not observed, despite the panic of the Maskov liberals (I just live in the Far East!), But the future is an unwritten text. Recall the story. As far back as 1931, the Germans and I were craving for gums, friendship flourished and cooperation, especially in military technology. But after only 10 years, they washed us with blood ...
    1. Civil
      Civil 14 May 2020 14: 59 New
      18
      So not in the direction of the mountains is preparing armored armada of China.
      1. avg
        avg 14 May 2020 15: 23 New
        20
        From Heihe and other border cities in the depths of China are 4-way, straight as an arrow concrete. You drive 200-250 km and only a couple of cars will meet you, but several small villages on the horizon loom. Involuntarily and think about the tanks and about where they hide their 1.5 billion.
        And we don’t have much to be shy about, we need to ask uncomfortable questions from our Chinese comrades from time to time, because they don’t suffer from shyness.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2020 11: 55 New
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          Quote: avg
          from time to time we need to ask uncomfortable questions to our Chinese comrades,

          and what is not convenient in them?
          I understand everything, tanks in China to protect the internal space.
      2. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 14 May 2020 15: 52 New
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        Well, since the land invasion of the United States and others like them in China is not expected, because it is beyond reality, the only country against which it makes sense to use thousands of tanks is us.
        Well, yes, it’s clear that people are fighting, in the final analysis, and the military history of China shows that it was good to kill each other only, but they raked from others ... but is it relevant now? The answer blows the wind ..
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2020 11: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: Sahalinets
          US land invasion and others like them are not expected in China

          why is this not expected?
          1. Sahalinets
            Sahalinets 15 May 2020 12: 04 New
            +5
            Because they do not even risk Kim being touched, fearing his hypothetical pair of nukes. And a full-scale ground invasion of China ... how do you imagine this?
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 59 New
              -3
              Quote: Sahalinets
              And a full-scale ground invasion of China ... how do you imagine this?

              I can’t imagine ... and the PRC tanks are one of the reasons ...
              here in China there weren’t as many tanks in 1937 .... and the Japanese took advantage of this ...
              1. Sahalinets
                Sahalinets 15 May 2020 13: 05 New
                +1
                China in the 37th was not. The territory was in a state of complete anarchy. And the Japanese had all of Manchuria (Manzhou-Guo) as a base. But even so, they could not conquer China.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2020 11: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Sahalinets
          then the only country against which it makes sense to use thousands of tanks is us.

          and against whom 10000 tanks of the Russian Federation will be used? .... by analogy with your thoughts, answer the question.
          1. Sahalinets
            Sahalinets 15 May 2020 12: 06 New
            +5
            Against NATO and China. And yes, this is a Soviet legacy, there are only about 3000 tanks in the troops, the rest is in storage.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 18 May 2020 08: 57 New
            -1
            Most of them are in the European direction. And how much can really be quickly set against China ?!
            1. Archon
              Archon 19 May 2020 05: 47 New
              0
              I’m not sure that a world factory with a large population would like to achieve something on a large-scale war.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 May 2020 15: 59 New
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        So not in the direction of the mountains is preparing armored armada of China.

        That's it. And the author's words that - "The only option for using the" tank armada "of the PRC in the notebooks of Chinese generals is still internal protection in case of any attack from the enemy. To meet the aggressor, so to speak, at home." - not very wealthy. The tank, whatever one may say, is still an offensive weapon. I do not argue, maybe defensive, but that's another story.
        Therefore, there is only one conclusion - they are directed to the north, to the north. And this must be taken into account.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 14 May 2020 21: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Therefore, there is only one conclusion - they are directed to the north, to the north.

          For a map of the deployment of NE PLA on VIKI, see where you saw strike groups there aimed at the Russian Transbaikalia and Primorye (or any strike groups in general), dreams t.p. Israeli Jew, so that the Russian Federation after listening to you spent extra resources on parrying the tank threat of the PLA, which consists mostly of improved copies of Soviet tanks of the 80s ... or maybe the PLA has experience in tank battles with a strong or equal enemy, maybe the PLA tanks have worldwide fame on many continents of the world?
          The strongest opponents of the PRC who have experience in fighting with a tank in that region have only the Indian Army and "Legendary and Invincible ....", the Republic of Kazakhstan also has a strong tank fleet in that region, but, like the PRC, it does not have experience of using it in combat conditions ....
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 May 2020 21: 31 New
            -1
            Quote: Lara Croft

            For a map of the deployment of NE PLA on VIKI, see where you saw strike groups there aimed at the Russian Transbaikalia and Primorye (or any strike groups in general), dreams t.p. Israeli Jew, so that the Russian Federation after listening to you spent extra resources on

            You, as I understand it, decided from my post that the Chinese had already planned a strike tomorrow on our Transbaikal and Primorye? So, dear, if they plan this attack, then tank formations will be advanced to our borders at the last moment. This is the alphabet.
            Your hopes for the experience of using Legendary and Invincible tanks are groundless. Because there is no such experience. The experience of the Second World War is not applicable because it does not meet modern requirements.
            Well, as for the Jew, then this is generally a masterpiece.
            1. Antonio_Mariarti
              Antonio_Mariarti 15 May 2020 00: 23 New
              +5
              most of the border we have with China is mountains. A good target will be for strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 15 May 2020 08: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
                A good target will be for strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

                And ICBMs ....
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 12: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
                  A good target will be for strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

                  And ICBMs ....

                  It’s good that you are not serving in the General Staff. ICBM to repel a tank strike? That's cool!
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 15 May 2020 14: 48 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    It’s good that you are not serving in the General Staff.

                    And you there too ....
                    On the east coast of China, 90% of the population lives there ..... and the industry of China ...
                    Yes, you never said where the PLA would get tank formations ...
                    The 78th OA closest to the Russian Federation (in the Harbin district) controls the VERY large provinces of the PRC ....
                    And most importantly, what is the purpose of the tank strike, I’m not saying logistics supply suddenly from nowhere appeared tank formations ...
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 08: 56 New
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                Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
                most of the border we have with China is mountains. A good target will be for strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

                But these mountains did not prevent our army in the 45th. Forgot?
                And against our VKS the Chinese have their air defense.
                Hatred here is inappropriate. The Chinese will have more hats.
                Admittedly, China is strong today. What will happen tomorrow?
                Where is your guarantee that a Chinese friend does not keep a stone in his bosom?
                Yes, and the territory is large enough, we squeezed out. Despite the fact that his tank divisions are concentrated in the south. Why did you squeeze it out? Because it feels the strength behind itself, and our weakness. So, draw conclusions.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 13: 04 New
                  -1
                  Yes, and the territory is large enough, we squeezed out.

                  Is it possible in more detail about large territories?
                  Regarding our relations with China, I regret to say that the agreement on the border with China concluded in the 19th century was essentially colonial, and laid the foundation for future welds. The border along it passes not in the center of the river as usual, but along the Chinese coast.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 13: 24 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Cyril G ...

                    Regarding our relations with China, I regret to say that the agreement on the border with China concluded in the 19th century was essentially colonial, and laid the foundation for future welds.

                    Oh, what a poor China and what a bad RI !!!
                    Running to Beijing to apologize! And on your knees, on your knees!
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    The border along it passes not in the center of the river as usual,

                    Who is accepted?
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    and along the coast of China.

                    Yes, you sho!?!?
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 13: 37 New
                      +1
                      Who is accepted?


                      As a rule, we learn materiel on the topic of demarcation between countries and border activities

                      Running to Beijing to apologize! And on my knees


                      Would you like us to crawl into Washington so much?

                      Yes, you sho!?!?

                      Since when are we on you?
                  2. Jager
                    Jager 15 May 2020 15: 43 New
                    +1
                    Putin on the Amur River gives the island to the Chinese just like that. And the media are almost silent, there was only a small plot. How they gave Damansky and others.
                2. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 15 May 2020 15: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
                  most of the border we have with China is mountains. A good target will be for strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

                  But these mountains did not prevent our army in the 45th. Forgot?

                  You already decide comrade, or as you wrote above:
                  The experience of the Second World War is not applicable because it does not meet modern requirements.
                  or still applicable ....
                  And against our VKS the Chinese have their air defense.

                  They are not enough for a country like the PRC ... who are more likely to have the majority of ZRV and RTV PLA who are located in urbanized and industrial areas of the east coast of the PRC ....
                  The Chinese will have more hats.

                  This is true, and this trend will always be, is it bad or good for the Russian Federation, I think it's good, the Russian Federation does not need 1,5 mln. people .....
                  Admittedly, China is strong today.

                  Compared to whom and in what?
                  What will happen tomorrow?

                  This is to Wang ....
                  Where is your guarantee that a Chinese friend does not keep a stone in his bosom?

                  Of course it does ... and not only the "Chinese friend", young, but late Russia at different times has a lot of people, which "privatized", but if you look at the history of Russia, all its territorial losses were in favor of its "brothers", and not as a result of her lost warrior ...
                  Despite the fact that his tank divisions are concentrated in the south.

                  The PLA does not have TD (tank units), how many times to repeat, as part of the OA (not all), there is one TBR each. (4 TB + 1 MB) ... I will say more as part of the PLA and during the time of the twentieth century there was no TD ...
                  Why did you squeeze it out?

                  What exactly is depressed, you can in more detail ...?
              3. alexey alexeyev_2
                alexey alexeyev_2 15 May 2020 21: 38 New
                0
                Well, finally, the Chinese are diligent students .. The experience of defeating Japan at 45 was probably analyzed. And the tank throw through the Khingan is probably taught at the academies.
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 15 May 2020 09: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              So, dear, if they plan this attack, then tank formations will be advanced to our borders. at the last moment.

              Even in the 70s and 80s it was already impossible to do this, if the USSR (and now the Russian Federation) had space intelligence means ....
              And why did the PRC need to demilitarize the Soviet (Russian) -Chinese border and ask the USSR to withdraw its troops from the Mongolian People's Republic in order to "suddenly" attack the endless taiga? In addition, why are the PLA ICBMs and IRBMs currently at the Russian borders under the cover of our air defense from American strike weapons?
              Most importantly, call me at least one existing tank formation (tank associations in the PLA never existed at all) as part of the PLA?
              The PLA has long moved to the brigade manning system, there are connections in the PLA, but they are located in a secondary direction and have no strike potential for invading the territory of any state .... and are subordinate to the commanding districts ....
              For example, near Kazakhstan (Xinjiang Military Region) it has three compounds (GPA, MTD, LMD) ...
              As part of the OA (13) there are brigades, in fact it is AK .... I have not found in the PLA OA capable of "throwing"?
              Your hopes for the experience of using Legendary and Invincible tanks are groundless. Because, that this experience is not.

              Well, the PLA apparently "has" it?
              The experience of the Second World War is not applicable because it does not meet modern requirements.

              Why? Because then there was no AA and modern ACS?
            3. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 12: 27 New
              +2
              Then in your opinion it turns out that Tsakhal is a miserable gang of disabled people, and the tankers just in vain eat matzo and kosher eeeee, well, you understand .... Well, how The experience of wars with the Arabs is not applicable because it does not meet modern requirements. Almost C.

              However, the idea of ​​the Chinese adopting mechanical connections on our Far East and Transbaikalia is even somewhat funny .. For many reasons.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 12: 49 New
                -1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                how is the experience of wars with the Arabs not applicable because it does not meet modern requirements. Almost C.

                No. Because it is the experience of Arabs and Jews. We did not receive experience in these battles.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 12: 59 New
                  +1
                  You are certainly not right - experience has been studied and applied to correct our doctrines. And this experience has given a lot. Just when there is a serious basis, making adjustments is much easier than doing everything from scratch.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 13: 17 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    You are certainly not right - experience has been studied and applied to correct our doctrines. And this experience has given a lot. Just when there is a serious basis, making adjustments is much easier than doing everything from scratch.

                    Our General Staffists have learned a lot from the experience of the capture of the Germans consider the whole of Europe? Have you learned? Have you made adjustments? Is everything different today? Sure? Syria - yes, experience. But only for the VKS and MTO forces.
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 15 May 2020 15: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Syria - yes, experience. But only for the VKS and MTO forces.

                      Think narrowly. What about the first of its real applications in the Russian Federation
                      And the use of airborne forces in the conflict zone, such tasks that airborne forces in the SAR did not solve, none of the airplanes of any other country, I think, following the results of operations in the SAR, the air forces of the Russian Armed Forces will have their own special forces (both in Ukraine and the Czech Republic, for example). ...
                      The most important thing is that we applied and worked out in practice measures and measures to delimit the warring parties in the conflict zone, after the end of hostilities in the SAR between ISIS, the "opposition" and the SAR government forces ... and this experience is much more successful than that of NATO and the USA ... in the DRA and Iraq ...
        2. depressant
          depressant 15 May 2020 07: 25 New
          0
          Here is finally the correct direct conclusion. And then all politically correct go around the bush. And the government of the Russian Federation too. This can be deduced even from the fact that Russia does not make claims about the theft of Chinese military technology by China. To whom it is, but to me China is not a friend. Especially considering the number of not only the Chinese and their arrogant, aggressive behavior in our territories, but also the number of their tanks. Friends, damn it, to the threat!
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          not very wealthy. Tank, whatever one may say, is still an offensive weapon.

          tanks are needed in order to fight back (counterattack) the lost territories.
          China is not interested in a military conflict with the Russian Federation.
          but the United States is very interested in such a conflict .... pour water on the US mill?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 13: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: NEOZ

            China is not interested in a military conflict with the Russian Federation.

            Today. And tomorrow? Do you know what will happen in 10 years?
            Quote: NEOZ
            but the United States is very interested in such a conflict.

            Therefore, they can repeat what they did with Ukraine with China.
            Quote: NEOZ
            pouring water at a US mill?

            And you, lulling "China's lack of interest in the conflict with the Russian Federation" to whose mill you are pouring some water.
            I do not call for a confrontation with China. I simply urge you to hope for the best, but prepare, be prepared, for the worst. Only.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 15 May 2020 13: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And you, lulling "China's lack of interest in the conflict with the Russian Federation" to whose mill you are pouring some water.

              to the mill of the Russian Federation and our largest trading partner - China.
              we have an agreement with the PRC on the non-deployment of armored vehicles near the common border (I don’t remember the distance, 150 km or something)
              Moreover, during the military reform, the ground forces of the PRC were reduced by 30% .... the released resources were sent to the Navy of the PRC, which, as it were, hints who is the main enemy of the PRC.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 15 May 2020 13: 28 New
                -2
                Quote: NEOZ
                China has been reduced by 30% .... the freed up resources have been sent to the Chinese Navy, which is hinted as to who the main enemy of the PRC is.

                Of course hints. Here, some argue that the tankers of the PRC will not go north, they say - mountains. So the Chinese heard them and decided to increase their navy to go from the east wassat
            2. Alf
              Alf 15 May 2020 17: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Today. And tomorrow? Do you know what will happen in 10 years?

              In the 60s, too, Chinese and Russian brothers shouted from each side of the borders forever. But suddenly the year 1969 happened ...
      4. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 14 May 2020 19: 18 New
        +1
        Naturally...
        Do you need to think about defense?
        When the abrams trample late, the tanks will do.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 14 May 2020 21: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergey S.
          When the abrams trample late tanks will do

          And where, one wonders, will the Abrams trample on China? From California swim or bottom through the Pacific Ocean? From Alaska on ice through the Bering Strait and further to Chukotka and the Far East? Not even funny. But the Chinese tanks rush across the border of Kazakhstan or force Cupid to technically quite realistic. In general, China, the further the more aggressive it behaves.
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 14 May 2020 23: 03 New
            -4
            Quote: Nagan
            But the Chinese tanks rush across the border of Kazakhstan or force Cupid to technically quite realistic. In general, China, the further the more aggressive it behaves

            China has not moved anywhere in 4000 years. unlike the Anglo-Saxons.

            Ancient civilizations cultural ...
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 15 May 2020 00: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Sergey S.
              China has not moved anywhere in 4000 years. unlike the Anglo-Saxons.

              Ancient civilizations cultural ...

              Do not remember where today about. Damansky, a piece of Russian land for which Russian soldiers shed blood?
              1. Sergey S.
                Sergey S. 15 May 2020 01: 04 New
                -1
                Quote: Nagan
                about. Damansky, a piece of Russian land

                In domestic conditions, my thoughts do not differ from yours.
                I'm worried about Damansky.
                But the reason is different.
                We gave it away when we were so weak that we didn’t come up with another gesture to show our location to China ...
                It's a shame and a shame for it ...
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  I'm worried about Damansky.

                  you have nothing to worry about?
                  CIS countries / Ukraine / Baltic states / Constantinople / Cuba / Venezuela ...
                  ps
                  during the shallowing of the river, Damansky Island was connected with the coast of China ... We were obliged to give it under the agreement ... but this, of course, was not a reason to give land ...
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            And where, one wonders, will the Abrams trample on China?

            from there, from where the pearls came to Iraq / Afghanistan / Baltic states / Arabia and others ...
            Quote: Nagan
            In general, China, the further the more aggressive it behaves.

            give examples of aggression, and we will appreciate.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 15 May 2020 19: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: NEOZ
              give examples of aggression, and we will appreciate.

              Captures of the Philippine, Vietnamese, and someone else's islands there, and the construction of military bases on them. Are you few?
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Sergey S.
          When the abrams trample late, the tanks will do.

          I completely agree!!!!!
    2. Vasily Ponomarev
      Vasily Ponomarev 14 May 2020 17: 52 New
      +5
      > despite the panicky screams of the Maskov liberals
      Although I’m not a liberal, I’ll leave a video here
      1. 9PA
        9PA 14 May 2020 18: 45 New
        +2
        This is Olkhon. And the Chinese are there the main tourisil. We don’t know the whole background
        1. Vasily Ponomarev
          Vasily Ponomarev 14 May 2020 19: 05 New
          +4
          >. We do not know the whole background
          I don’t know either, but I think that the peasant did the right thing, there’s no pleasure in fraternizing with them, for the most part they are very arrogant, this is especially manifested in their driving
          1. 9PA
            9PA 15 May 2020 10: 23 New
            +1
            This is a cultural issue. In Moscow time, Vainakhs on Mercedes are not very courteous either. In China there is money - the next class, no money - a black Chinese. To have a car in China is not the same as in Russia
        2. depressant
          depressant 15 May 2020 07: 32 New
          0
          Well, let’s, let’s - persuade yourself.
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 14 May 2020 18: 23 New
      +5
      Well, here they came in to us, captured Khabarovsk ... Then where to? Around the taiga. Roads R-297 and A-370 go along the border. And what will they get from this other than a nuclear strike? Forest? Over 90 percent of the forest China is lucky from the tropics.
  2. unaha
    unaha 14 May 2020 14: 27 New
    +2
    "Chogori 8614 m high" - Chogori, aka K2.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 14 May 2020 17: 03 New
      +4
      The mountain is a killer. "Wild Mountain". Mortality rate over 20%. Nobody got up in winter. About 300 climbers climbed. Over 60 people died. The difficulty of climbing in the well-known walls.
      When Ukrainians were visiting me, they bluntly said that the Chinese would shower us with "hats". I took them to Chimbulak and asked how the Chinese would drag these BTT mountains. During the Soviet era, the events at Zhalanashkol, the Chinese could only pull up mortars and grenade launchers. hi
      1. unaha
        unaha 14 May 2020 17: 09 New
        +3
        Yeah, around Talgar everything was going to take a walk, and maybe climb ... yes, I was not going to)
        And why do the Chinese need to "throw hats" on you? They usually come with money)
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 14 May 2020 17: 13 New
          0
          As a child, I went ski skiing for 3 years (ski jumping + skiing). I traveled on ski our foothills and somehow almost froze myself all the limbs, so much so that the coach wiped it with alcohol. wink
      2. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 15 May 2020 10: 03 New
        +1
        Why should they climb through Chimbulak? There is the Dzungarian gate through which they always climbed. The width, as far as I remember, is 50 km, there is a piece of hardware. Whoever takes the first place is in the "kings". And those tank armadas, which during the Soviet era aimed at China and stood in the Balkhash area, are gone for a long time ...
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 15 May 2020 13: 12 New
          +1
          There is also Khorgos. In both places since the Soviet Union "everything is ready for a meeting of friends." That is why we climbed h / s Zhalanashkol. smile
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 14 May 2020 14: 34 New
    +1
    the author of the article proved that butter is oil ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 14 May 2020 14: 54 New
      +3
      Like a geography lesson again ...)
  4. toha124
    toha124 14 May 2020 14: 36 New
    +8
    I would like to think that the only option for using the “armored armada” of the PRC in the notebooks of Chinese generals is still an internal defense in case of any attack from the enemy. To meet the aggressor, so to speak, at home

    Well, why, looking at the PRC, are we always skeptical of such a theory? Why are we denying China the right to prepare for any kind of war?

    We ourselves laugh out loud at the Poles and the Balts, who, considering the Russian tanks, panic themselves, waiting for our imminent invasion - otherwise why do the Russians have so many armored vehicles? It seems ridiculous to us - what the hell are these lands surrendered to us ...

    We laugh and start to carry the same thing about China.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 35 New
      0
      Quote: toha124
      We laugh and start to carry the same thing about China.

      exactly!!!!!
      I’ll add from myself:
      Poles and Baltic states specialists raise the level of tension for confrontation with Russia, for the happiness of the USA ...
      the confrontation of the Russian Federation and China is also in the hands of the United States ... pour water on the US mill.
      ps
      tomorrow CNN China will be released with the title "Russians are preparing to invade China" and as evidence they will cite translations of our comments ... here's an escalation from scratch ... the US has a profit !!!
  5. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 14 May 2020 14: 39 New
    13
    The question is certainly interesting. And if you remember "Desert Storm"? The United States, too, did not seem to border on Iraq. And the tanks there were "Mama Do Not Cry"! China, on the other hand, thinks of itself as a great power.
    By the way, in the north, tank divisions certainly cannot be deployed. The author did not mention this.)
    1. Vasya17
      Vasya17 14 May 2020 15: 01 New
      -7
      divisions and do not fight now, - a couple of dozen battalion tactical groups - and the complete paralysis of the Trans-Urals and the Far East ...
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 14 May 2020 15: 43 New
      +4
      The Chita region, Buryatia, was quite a forest-steppe, when the Japanese were driven to the Far East, tank divisions took part. The Chinese are our enemies, and everyone needs to know this. type-96 is a good tank, the Chinese are actively advertising it. Type-99 is actually classified. There, it seems like the weight is known 56-58 tons, the engine is German MTV, 1500 HP fire control systems, most likely better than ours, well, very far in electronics they have gone far.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 May 2020 16: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Free Wind
        when the Japanese were driven into the Far East, tank divisions took part.

        And the mountains for some reason did not bother them ....
      2. bairat
        bairat 14 May 2020 16: 26 New
        -3
        Quote: Free Wind
        The Chinese are our enemies, and everyone needs to know this.

        Amerikosov is encouraged by good Russian-Chinese relations, so there are such stuffings: the Chinese are our enemies, the Far East is already under the Chinese, etc. Who are you, a patriot entangled in enemy propaganda, or just a liberal?
        1. 9PA
          9PA 14 May 2020 18: 50 New
          +4
          With such friends and enemies is not necessary. China is several thousand years old. China is always Chinese, in every way it is necessary to warm up the Chinese historical interest in England / Japan. And center the powerful land mechanic there
          1. bairat
            bairat 15 May 2020 07: 49 New
            +2
            And whom has China won over these thousands of years? We are not looking in search of enemies.
            1. 9PA
              9PA 15 May 2020 10: 24 New
              0
              At least the Mongol Empire was dissolved in China. Soft power their skill
          2. 16329
            16329 16 May 2020 13: 07 New
            +1
            Now the question is very simple, either Russia is roofing China from the United States and the West and this is preventing the coming war and turning it toward internal conflicts in Western countries, or Russia is turning towards friendship with the United States and the West and valiantly fighting China with the support of Western allies in hot war with China.
            For the West, this option is preferable and hence the anti-Chinese company on the site.
            They generally love Germany, worship the US Armed Forces and cultivate various late-Soviet complexes, such as anti-Chinese horror stories, etc.
            1. 9PA
              9PA 16 May 2020 13: 54 New
              0
              Tell me why do we need so many tanks in the western direction? Why does NATO concentrate significant ground forces eastwards? Why is Taiwan supported, why is North Korea? And who would benefit from the option of a powerful land war of NATO-Russia, a local conflict of the People's Republic of Japan-Sevkor-Southkor with the destruction of industrial projects?
              1. 16329
                16329 16 May 2020 20: 50 New
                0
                In our western direction, a large Kolya is honestly concentrated honestly in troops and equipment, in the event of serious international destabilization, Russia will have to solve current problems in the western direction, restoring them to their positions
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 14 May 2020 16: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: seregin-s1
      The question is certainly interesting. And if you remember "Desert Storm"? The United States, too, did not seem to border on Iraq. And the tanks there were "Mama Do Not Cry"! China, on the other hand, thinks of itself as a great power.
      By the way, in the north, tank divisions certainly cannot be deployed. The author did not mention this.)

      I absolutely agree.
      By the outbreak of hostilities in the Persian Gulf were:
      - Abrams 3113 tanks, of which deployed in 2024 units (M-1А1 - 1 904pcs and М-1-120pcs), in reserve - 1089pcs .;
      - 2200 BMP "Bradley", including deployed in 1730 units (834 - M-2A2 machines with increased survivability), in reserve - 470pcs.
      China, frankly, does not have such a large fleet of modern MBTs, even when compared with the United States. Work the Chinese in this direction also work.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 14 May 2020 21: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: seregin-s1
      And if you remember "Desert Storm"? The United States, too, did not seem to border on Iraq. And the tanks there was "Mama Don't Cry"

      Then the Saudis provided ports for unloading tanks and everything that the army needed for successful operations, including mobile toilets, showers, and kitchens. Where exactly do the Saudis border on China? I have not seen or heard such places, but you? And if not the Saudis, then who? Well, maybe only Vietnam, but there the border is small, and China is not Iraq, it will not calmly look at the massive unloading of troops and equipment in Vietnamese ports.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 15 May 2020 03: 23 New
        +2
        and China is not Iraq; it will not calmly look at the massive unloading of troops and equipment in Vietnamese ports.
        What will China do ?? By the way, the Vietnamese hate the Chinese to the grinding of teeth, and if it is possible to cling to China relatively safely, they will do it with pleasure.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 15 May 2020 20: 05 New
          0
          Quote: 72jora72
          What will China do?

          Well, for example, it will concentrate troops on the Vietnamese border, and there the Chinese do not have trenches already dug, but much more major fortifications, and mines have been scattered mines not worry, since the days of Mao. No expeditionary force can be compared with the Chinese army in terms of manpower. Even if the tanks from Vietnam are trampled, the Chinese will stupidly flood them with infantry with RPGs and Molotov cocktail bottles.
    5. NEOZ
      NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 36 New
      0
      Quote: seregin-s1
      By the way, in the north, tank divisions certainly cannot be deployed. The author did not mention this.)

      his goal is different - to create tension ... it's just a manipulation.
  6. really
    really 14 May 2020 14: 41 New
    0
    We must rejoice, not point out errors, and explain how to fix them
  7. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 14 May 2020 14: 49 New
    -2
    Oh, the Chinese comrades decided to "probe" how we would meet the Chinese tanks (!!! ???). I will answer - bad. Bad for the Chinese comrades, and for their "best tanks in the world" ... We can respect the Chinese comrades, BUT ... the Chinese tank in the Russian Federation - only in the tank biathlon, in other cases, the Chinese tank - as a causal the object of a fire in the forests and steppes of the Russian Federation, will be liquidated by folk remedies))))
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 May 2020 19: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Chinese tank, as a causal object of a fire in the forests and steppes of the Russian Federation, will be eliminated by public means))))

      In the 41st, too, they threatened, with little blood, a mighty blow, on foreign territory.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 14 May 2020 19: 57 New
        +2
        In the 41st, too, they threatened, with little blood, a mighty blow, on foreign territory.

        Strategic Rocket Forces.
        1. Alf
          Alf 14 May 2020 20: 00 New
          0
          Quote: strannik1985
          In the 41st, too, they threatened, with little blood, a mighty blow, on foreign territory.

          Strategic Rocket Forces.

          And what, do you think that a vigorous loaf will be used?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 14 May 2020 20: 09 New
            +2
            Of course. All according to the doctrine.
            1. Alf
              Alf 14 May 2020 20: 18 New
              -2
              Quote: strannik1985
              Of course. All according to the doctrine.

              Did you hear anything about Dung Fang 21?
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 14 May 2020 20: 20 New
                0
                Do not care. According to our doctrine, the response is counter.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 14 May 2020 20: 24 New
                  -2
                  Quote: strannik1985
                  Do not care.

                  No more questions..
  8. Setavr
    Setavr 14 May 2020 14: 50 New
    15
    "The US Army will not be able to organize a tank attack on its opponents ..."

    smile
    1. Volodin
      14 May 2020 16: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Setavr
      The US Army will not be able to organize a tank offensive against its opponents ... "

      Does the US have a border adversary? Canada or / and Mexico? Regarding the Bering Strait - everything is correct: not the most "tank" direction ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 14 May 2020 16: 58 New
        -2
        and we have it from that direction?) why did you get that the states, for example, wouldn’t trample Canada?))) also, after all, the options are 50 to 50)))) why from China they always try to create an enemy FIG knows ... I don’t understand ... what are the tank offensive? what fool now will use such connections? it is a target and suicide in its purest form. the accumulation of technology is already being spotted on marches. while they collect in some direction they will be waiting for them there will be a fun adventure.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And why from China forever trying to create an enemy FIG knows ... I do not understand ...

          goal: creating tension between the Russian Federation and China.
          way to achieve the goal: to spread the myth of the Chinese threat in the Russian Federation and vice versa.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 May 2020 17: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Volodin
        Does the US have a border enemy?

        The USA has tanks.
        And even the oceans do not interfere with their active use.

        By the way, as practice shows, mountains are not obstacles to their use. The Japanese are aware Yes, and the Georgians too.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 15 May 2020 12: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Setavr
      "The US Army will not be able to organize a tank attack on its opponents ..."



      this is a masterpiece !!!!!!
      everything is clear without words !!!!
  9. steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 May 2020 14: 52 New
    +9
    The author reasoned correctly. But against Russia, China acts by other methods.
    "A greedy person doesn't need a knife,
    show him a penny
    and do what you want. "
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 May 2020 15: 05 New
    0
    And the question is, in what direction, in fact, is China going to use its tanks? What directions could a tank attack on opponents organize?
    It is not for nothing that the Chinese are cutting down and burning a forest in Siberia, they are preparing the direction so that the author does not have a headache. repeat
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 18 May 2020 23: 44 New
      -1
      It’s not the Chinese who cut it down, but the Russians in full. And the Russians also burn it. They will hide illegal cuttings, with the full coverage of large officials and their submission. Corruption-s. In all its glory.
      PS: "A foreigner, having got to Russia and lived in it for more than 5 years, either dies or leaves it. Surviving and adapting to the Russian climate and customs, it ceases to be becoming Russian with foreign roots" -Peter I.
      At one time he lived next to a small Chinese community that was constantly replenishing in the 90s. Now it does not exist. I don’t know how it is in big cities, but by the XNUMXs they all already spoke pure Russian-obscene, drank vodka, were worried and crawled in all directions. my neighbor in the communal flat, at gatherings under a glass of tea, the question - "does he want to go home" - simply did not understand him. "My home is here, and this is my new homeland. Who was I there? And here I am a person and I can just live. "
  11. knn54
    knn54 14 May 2020 15: 05 New
    -5
    There is no against Russia. But against the Kremlin (it is not known who will come to power after Putin) completely.
    Then both Kazakhstan and Mongolia at the same time.
  12. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 May 2020 15: 07 New
    -3
    Quote: steel maker
    "A greedy person doesn't need a knife,
    show him a penny
    and do what you want. "

    Option. repeat
    ".... You will lie to him in three boxes
    and do whatever you want with him! "
    And the question is, in what direction, in fact, is China going to use its tanks? What directions could a tank attack on opponents organize?
    The Chinese cut down the forest and burn it out in Siberia, preparing the direction. repeat
  13. bars1
    bars1 14 May 2020 15: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: knn54
    There is no against Russia. But against the Kremlin (it is not known who will come to power after Putin) completely.
    Then both Kazakhstan and Mongolia at the same time.

    You reason right like Vlasov at one time ...
  14. Andrey Sergeevich_3
    Andrey Sergeevich_3 14 May 2020 15: 55 New
    +1
    Based on the history of the territory that China now occupies, the answer is obvious - for a civil war. This is on the surface. If-When the PRC falls apart, each state will have a solid chunk sufficient for both a war against external invasion and a war with each other.
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 15 May 2020 03: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Sergeevich_3
      If-When China Falls apart

      Why do we need such dreams?
      We need allies against the USA.
      Who imposes sanctions?
      Who dominates politically humiliating our allies?
      Who blew up Ukraine, and before Georgia?
      And finally, what real problems did China create for us?
      If you write in all posts that we are afraid of Kirai, or that we are not afraid of China, this will reach the Chinese.
      They have many Russian speakers.
      Due to the specifics, I’m almost sure they read the topvar ...
      And why is this anti-Chinese blasphemy ???
      Better help China bring Taiwan back and calm Hong Kong.

      And do not treat China as under-stainless.
      Soon, even outwardly it will be clear that it is better to be friends with China.
      For, with a very high degree of probability, it will be the most advanced state on the planet.
      But to understand what is the secret of China's successful development for more than 30 years continuously and on a large scale, it would be very interesting.
  15. Darvaz
    Darvaz 14 May 2020 16: 49 New
    +7
    Hide the dagger in a smile ... All these fawning with the Chinese will cost us dearly ...
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 32 New
      +1
      Basically. right, if only replace the Chinese with the Americans ...
  16. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 14 May 2020 16: 55 New
    0
    some stupidity ... states with whom to fight? and tanks are also not the smallest number. and what kind of tank fists? in China, too, not stupid people sit and understand that this will not happen anymore.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 May 2020 19: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: carstorm 11
      some stupidity ... states with whom to fight?

      In fact, the states of someone to appoint an enemy nefig do. Where there is a threat to the economic interests of America, there suddenly and there are opponents.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 34 New
      0
      And no one said that in the States only wiseacres. Did you have a lot of mind to intervene in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan? Did the States get a lot of profit from this?
  17. malyvalv
    malyvalv 14 May 2020 17: 13 New
    +4
    Hannibal at one time dragged elephants through the Alps. Probably also told him why do you need elephants? You look at the map there mountains! And at first he did so well with the Romans. In Cannes especially. (this was before the famous film festival)
  18. Undecim
    Undecim 14 May 2020 17: 15 New
    11
    The author, strategist, of course is strong. But the globe is poorly studied.

    China does not need to break into India through the mountains. He can safely do this through the territory of his closest ally, with whom he has relations "above the mountains, deeper than the oceans, have become stronger, more expensive than sight, sweeter than honey." This is Pakistan. And the relief of the Indo-Pakistani border is just for a tank offensive. Otherwise, why the Indians have almost 5000 tanks. Not against 2200 Pakistani ones, especially since Pakistan has a third part - still Soviet T55 and T62.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 May 2020 17: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      This is Pakistan.

      Burma-Myanmar is also very dependent on China.
      The armed forces are Chinese-trained officers in China.
      1. Lbbe
        Lbbe 14 May 2020 21: 26 New
        +1
        How China knows how to fight in Southeast Asia was shown by the Sino-Vietnamese war (it’s the first communist one)
    2. bairat
      bairat 14 May 2020 20: 01 New
      -1
      There is also a mountain range, hundreds of kilometers away.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 14 May 2020 20: 09 New
        0
        Where, between India and Pakistan?
        1. bairat
          bairat 14 May 2020 20: 15 New
          -1
          Between China and Pakistan.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 14 May 2020 20: 32 New
            0
            So what? China and Pakistan are allies. Pakistan and India are just the opposite. Catch it?
            1. bairat
              bairat 14 May 2020 20: 37 New
              -1
              No. By sea, will the Chinese deliver their tanks to Pakistan?
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 14 May 2020 21: 10 New
                -1
                It is possible and by sea. Pakistan deep sea ports China controls. And given the recent reconstruction of the Karakorum highway, in which China has invested billions, I won’t be surprised if the transfer of tanks was also planned.
                China is investing huge amounts of money in Pakistani infrastructure. The latest project, the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, is valued at $ 62 billion.
                In addition, it is planned to connect the Pakistani railways with the South Xinjiang Railway in Kashgar, which will open a railway link between China and Pakistan.
                The question is - does China need to fight India? There are more people there than in China. Where to put it? But in the north - by the standards of China, almost a deserted territory.
                1. meandr51
                  meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 37 New
                  0
                  In the north, China does not even populate its territory. Unprofitable.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 15 May 2020 19: 44 New
                    0
                    It’s not profitable yet.
  19. Vasily Ponomarev
    Vasily Ponomarev 14 May 2020 17: 44 New
    +1
    Judging by the topographic map, the question arises, but in the eastern part of China have the same jungle as in Vietnam? or plains?
  20. bandabas
    bandabas 14 May 2020 18: 21 New
    +1
    They want to and climb into us. True, the gut is still thin ... But it will grow soon.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 38 New
      0
      They want only in one case: if the Russian Federation itself falls apart. In other cases, it is more profitable to trade.
    2. shinobi
      shinobi 18 May 2020 23: 57 New
      0
      These Wishlist they recaptured during the Great Kormch. Russia is certainly not the USSR, but (as even the NATO warriors recognize) when it wants, it reacts with lightning speed and very harshly. Chinese comrades very well (unlike our liberals) remember the result of those events on the Amur.
  21. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 May 2020 19: 38 New
    +1
    They are apparently keeping it in case we will jerk our hooves when we cook in their showdowns with the USA. Or in case their samurai neighbors decide to show off again like in the old days ..
    India? Fear God - why should they share these mountains? And just around the corner what? more mountains. And then very controversial foothills, in which again, nothing interesting ..
    Probably the PRC has certain military plans for Mongolia, the Far East, and Kazakhstan, but all this still exists in the form of strategic formulas and calculations for a very distant and not so likely future ..
  22. faterdom
    faterdom 14 May 2020 20: 01 New
    +3
    Therefore, I would like to think that the only option for using the “armored armada” of the PRC in the notebooks of Chinese generals is, after all, an internal defense in case of any attack from the enemy. To meet the aggressor, so to speak, at home. How else…

    Well, over the past 150 years this has happened. And why shouldn't they think about protecting their territory?
  23. APASUS
    APASUS 14 May 2020 22: 32 New
    0
    China solves completely different problems with these tanks. Raises its industry, occupies markets, makes money. This is a war of a slightly different class.
  24. Bat039
    Bat039 14 May 2020 22: 46 New
    +4
    1) It is not a fact that the United States will risk forcefully supporting Taiwan, since the threat of a nuclear strike on the territory of the United States will significantly restrain Washington’s ambitions. China has a large fleet, there are landing ships, so anything can be. 2) In addition, if China decides to expand its borders by force, then there are Vietnam and Thailand nearby, whose armies cannot oppose anything worse than the museum T-55 and M60, and most likely no one will stand up for these countries seriously.
    1. soloveyav
      soloveyav 14 May 2020 23: 13 New
      0
      China has already fought with Vietnam and this ended with the defeat of China. Vietnam has T-90, T-62, Mi-24 fleet, anti-tank systems, new fighters. It’s easier for them to pinch the former Central Asian Soviet republics — Tajikistan is there, Kyrgyzstan — there are minerals there, and there are no normal armies. And it is dangerous for China to contact the United States - if the United States cedes Taiwan, then all allies will flee, which means they will fight seriously.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 15 May 2020 03: 29 New
        -1
        China has already fought with Vietnam and this ended with the defeat of China.
        Before talking nonsense, learn the materiel, everything is in the public domain, study.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 15 May 2020 08: 47 New
          +3
          Did China achieve its goals there? No. He got the cabbage soup, and left. After which he announced his victory.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 15 May 2020 09: 01 New
            -3
            He got the cabbage soup, and left.
            Unfortunately, the Vietnamese got in the ears. But why China did not take advantage of its advantage and quickly withdrew its troops, although after the fall of Lang Son, the road to Hanoi was completely open, it is hard to explain. Maybe the fact that the USSR introduced increased readiness in the troops and warned about the opening of the "northern" front played a role? By the way, we were talking about the limited use of nuclear weapons.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 15 May 2020 09: 39 New
              +3
              If we take the western estimate of losses, then they turn out to be approximately equal. What tasks did China solve? It is still unclear what he wanted to solve there in general, apart from actually breaking the fence neighbor with the chicken coop. The Vietnamese army was not defeated, mainly there the militia opposed. I don’t take seriously any nonsense like trying to see if the USSR will break the ally or not, they just don’t risk such things, and in the event of a real war with the then USSR, the Chinese army would flee faster than in the 30s from the Japanese.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 15 May 2020 08: 48 New
        +1
        You won’t fit in without Russian knowledge. And minerals are much easier to extract by local forces, capturing the country economically.
  25. Make
    Make 15 May 2020 01: 18 New
    0
    "... for China, India and Taiwan are identified as the main adversaries in the region."
    A simplified view. If we take the traditional enemies of the Han, they will be Vietnam and Japan; South Korea should also be included here, but it should not be considered seriously as long as the DPRK exists. The Taiwan mentioned by the author also belongs to the "traditional enemies", but rather by the category of mentality (there is such a tradition among the Han - to fight with other Han). India is undoubtedly a rival of the PRC, but only in Myanmar / Burma, where the interests of the two regional powers collide (China needs access to the Indian Ocean for its goods).
    Summarizing the first part, then the armored armada should be feared specifically by the Vietnamese (and then there are no special reasons, for example, sluggish hostility at the border).

    Nevertheless, there are two more areas that are potentially included in the traditional zone of influence of the Han: the first includes southern Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan; activity in this region is traditional for the Han, and there is no reason to believe that they will somehow change this in the future - so that the "tank armada at Balkhash" may become, to some extent, a reality. The second area includes Mongolia and the Russian Far East; It makes sense to expect a serious "attack by the armada" only in the event of complete disintegration of the Russian Federation (the Han are not fools, and they fully understand that the Laomaozi will inflict wild damage on them in the event of a major war, so they will not go even to a weakened northern neighbor).
  26. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 May 2020 07: 44 New
    0
    Despite the wars waged by China and India, the experience of conducting military operations with military equipment is still weak. We betrayed the science of ballistics, which we already had in practice back in 1941, in 1947. And it’s not at all from a good life that India purchases weapons abroad. China is interested in participating in joint exercises with Russia.
  27. Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 May 2020 08: 42 New
    -1
    Something the author did not tell about the northern direction at all.

    Meanwhile, the northern direction for the Chinese tank armada is one of the most prescribed in our science fiction 10 years ago.

    All that is left behind is the prescription to the Ukrainian direction .... The analogy is clear ....
  28. EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 May 2020 08: 46 New
    0
    You can climb into Korea, although there are mountains and a thousand tanks there.

    In general, China is surrounded by enemies, like a bear with dogs, Russia is the only country that does not declare its hostility to it. Fighting with each individual is not a problem, but a coalition swing may come out. In general, if they have 3.5 thousand tanks, then this is a fairly adequate amount, most likely, some are clear in oil depots. That is, they don’t go to the Soviet tank stubbornness, but it also happened that in a month their tanks won’t run out.
  29. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 15 May 2020 09: 36 New
    0
    China simply will not be able to use hundreds and hundreds of its tanks against them - due to banal geography.

    There is a simple explanation - but Schaub Bulo! As in the USSR, tank armada exceeding the logistics capabilities of supply. The tankman who served in the GDR said that we could fight for 5 hours. And then - drop the tank and go into the infantry. That is, the command was aware that in the presence of tactical weapons, it would be impossible to refuel the tank after the start of battles.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 45 New
      0
      How is this impossible? At any German gas station. A lot of them.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 16 May 2020 13: 02 New
        0
        "Cucumbers" with "sweets" are also sold there? lol
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 17 May 2020 14: 43 New
          0
          They will be delivered on chic autobahns or by helicopters. In addition, I doubt that the tanks will have time to shoot the ammunition due to defeat or victory.
    2. shinobi
      shinobi 19 May 2020 00: 21 New
      0
      5 hours? Optimistically, however! How long we did not study, trained, and worked out for everyone, with the regular armament of equal opponents, the tank lived an average of 10-15 minutes, then either victory or a grenade aboard (or something better) and into heaven forever retraining.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 19 May 2020 19: 26 New
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        10 thousand tanks that were in the GDR, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, in 10 minutes? This lonely tank against infantry will only last 10 minutes.
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 22 May 2020 13: 03 New
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          Yeah, tell the Iraqi tankers that. A large tank wedge lasts until the first strike. 2 exact hits, only in the cinema the first time. Now one is enough, depending on where and where to go. Because there are more and any body kits on a modern tank than on a tuned Ferrari. For nuclear weapons everything is the same.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 22 May 2020 20: 58 New
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            Iraq is the army of the Papuans. Yes, there were many tanks, but the aviation was not involved. If the Iraqi "ace" took off - it was only to fly to Iran. The ground forces remained in the barracks until the surrender. But the tanks and air defense systems that fought showed themselves quite well.
            If 10 thousand tanks cover 5 thousand aircraft, the alignment changes fundamentally. The coherence and determination of the defenders is important here. But the West is strained with this. During World War II, this was especially noticeable. The surrenders of Malta and Singapore are simply masterpieces of Western military "art".
            1. shinobi
              shinobi 24 May 2020 00: 45 New
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              Papuans or not, this is not the case. But with a well-built defense / attack, the tank does not live very long. Actually, this was the case in the great war. Tank, this is still an infantry support tool, a self-propelled bunker.
  30. Red Alert
    Red Alert 15 May 2020 10: 21 New
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    Quote: bk0010
    Well, here they came in to us, captured Khabarovsk ... Then where to? Around the taiga. Roads R-297 and A-370 go along the border. And what will they get from this other than a nuclear strike? Forest? Over 90 percent of the forest China is lucky from the tropics.

    Why then? Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories may be enough for now. There may not be a nuclear strike
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 13: 12 New
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      If you hit the forces of the invasion, and even on its territory, moreover, no one will blink officially.
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 15 May 2020 13: 14 New
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      Quote: Red Alert
      Why then? Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories may be enough for now. There may not be a nuclear strike

      Since Soviet times, fortified areas have been built on tank-hazardous areas with China! And no matter what "aesthetic" state they are in now - this is not a supermarket! Walking along a narrow "tape" controlled by dozens of pillboxes, whose task, figuratively speaking, not only to gain time, but also to "create a traffic jam" on the line of defense, is guaranteed to result in the collapse of a lightning-fast breakthrough into depth. Moreover, with those methods and means of continuous mining, and the defeat of the enemy grouping, which are now in service, such scenarios are practically impracticable.
      Yes, and the Chinese, "hid" their ICBMs near the borders with Russia, this suggests that they are not expecting a strike from Russia at all, and they themselves, in the near future, do not think about an attack on us, since they are not planning to place their ICBMs in the zone of destruction of our means of OTR and aviation, - the madness of the brave, but short-sighted.
      Well, this is so, the arguments of the layman on the topic "buy a ticket and go on foot." The General Staff of the RF Armed Forces are by no means laymen, and they know their work better than all political scientists, experts, journalists and you and me, tacticians and strategists. "World of Tanks".
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 13: 42 New
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        About the deployment areas of the "2nd PLA artillery corps" correctly remind ...
      2. DDT
        DDT 15 May 2020 16: 37 New
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        But why wait until they hit us ... Can they crash while they are preparing for war with America? Moreover, a friend wrote that they are not waiting for an attack from this side ?! tongue
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 15 May 2020 16: 42 New
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          Quote: DDT
          Can they crave while they are preparing for war with America?

          I take it you were just kidding. And so, do not abuse watching "DMB" and "DMB-2" as a guide to solving international problems! It's still a comedy!
          1. DDT
            DDT 15 May 2020 16: 44 New
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            Unfortunately, I have not completely lost touch with reality ... eh Akhromeev would be part of us, how would they be given with long-barreled artillery, how would armadas of tanks go to the Celestial ... But what ?! Virus, he will write everything off! wassat
            1. meandr51
              meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 48 New
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              What, the virus has already reached the brain?
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    3. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 16 May 2020 13: 09 New
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      Quote: Red Alert
      Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories may be enough for now

      And will they stand at attention, because they simply will not fit entirely?
      2/3 of China is populated just like Chukotka. one person per 10 km (square). Build nuclear plants, put pumps - and they will be happy. Rice, of course, will not work, but wheat and soya - just like that.
    4. shinobi
      shinobi 19 May 2020 00: 27 New
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      How is it in the official doctrine? -If the forces of the advancing enemy are many times greater than our forces, or pose a direct threat to the existence of the state itself (oil in my opinion), Russia will use nuclear weapons against the aggressor, including its decision centers .- What there may not be.
  31. tank64rus
    tank64rus 15 May 2020 11: 05 New
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    There is another country and a huge border on ..severy. China is an Empire with a thousand-year history, and the Empire has no friends. not enemies but only eternal interests.
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    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 15 May 2020 12: 34 New
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      China has devoted all its efforts to building a fleet and fighter aircraft in preparation for a confrontation with the United States in the Pacific. In 2019, the Chinese army underwent a reduction in ground forces and increased the number of marines.

      This is by far the most serious marker of intent.
  33. cniza
    cniza 15 May 2020 13: 18 New
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    To meet the aggressor, so to speak, at home. How else…


    It seems to me that they originally set the task ...
  34. akims
    akims 15 May 2020 15: 17 New
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    I read the comments, yeahhhhh, well, but opinions are here. Oh well, about the Russian Federation only. The Russian Federation and the tea houses now, in fact, have a single air defense network, united in a single network of global positioning systems, canceled mutual claims, singled out and deduced common interests, held general exercises, intelligence agencies and headquarters collaborate ... this is so, for starters. Now estimate, what is all this for? And it will become clear why the farts in FSA and Europe are tearing.
  35. DDT
    DDT 15 May 2020 16: 32 New
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    Yes, the mountains. But from the side of Kazakhstan and Siberia, the naked steppe Push tank armada, and no one will pickle? hi
  36. meandr51
    meandr51 15 May 2020 19: 50 New
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    [quote = Vladimir61] [quote = Red Alert]
    Yes, and the Chinese, "hid" their ICBMs near the borders with Russia, this suggests that they are not expecting a strike from Russia at all, and they themselves, in the near future, do not think about an attack on us, since they are not planning to place their ICBMs in the zone of destruction of our means of OTR and aviation, - the madness of the brave, but short-sighted.
    Well, this is so, the arguments of the layman on the topic "buy a ticket and go on foot." The General Staff of the RF Armed Forces are by no means laymen, and they know their work better than all political scientists, experts, journalists and you and me, tacticians and strategists. "World of Tanks". [/ quote]

    I support. Serious arguments.
  37. shinobi
    shinobi 18 May 2020 23: 02 New
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    Any tank fist, taken at the sight of tactical nuclear weapons even at the formation stage. Yes, and the attacks of modern air forces with conventional weapons are also not a gift. So, massive attacks of tank armies on the model of the Second World War and the beginning of the 60s in modern warfare are simply not applicable. For this you need total superiority in the air and in space. Then it may be, but unrealistic with a technically equipped equal opponent who wants to fight. A beaten example of such a war, The Tempest in the Desert. But! Nobody knows what it would be, don’t sell Saddam his generals. Yanks do not hide, what in that howl the dollar wasn’t defeated, not the vaunted U.S. army. The second hackneyed example, the U.S. failure in Afghanistan. Especially now, when every meter of the surface is viewed from orbit, it’s simply impossible to assemble an invasion army. This is not a transfer of individual military units from place to place. Everything and everything is monitored.
  38. ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 21 May 2020 02: 29 New
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    The Chinese army will not be able to organize a tank offensive against its opponents: about the reasons. It seems that he can, and it is by overcoming the mountainous terrain. In fact, this article has a continuation in the form of another article - "Noticed oddities of the exercises of the Chinese tank brigade."