The Polish Foreign Ministry called the USSR the culprit of the outbreak of World War II

Poland does not agree with the position of Germany, which declared the German fascists sole responsibility for the outbreak of World War II. This was stated in the press service of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, RBC reports.

In the Polish Foreign Ministry, the position of Germany on the sole fault of the Nazis for the outbreak of World War II was called simplified. According to Polish diplomats, along with Germany, the Soviet Union is to blame for the outbreak of war, and without mentioning the "guilt of the USSR" the whole will not be open "historical truth".

Thus, Warsaw reacted to an article by German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas and Director of the Institute of Contemporary History, Andres Wirsching, who claimed that the National Socialist Third Reich regime was the only culprit in starting the war.

Most historians who have carefully examined historical documents (...) agree that in the absence of the adoption of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its secret protocol (...) the war would not have started

- stated in the Polish Foreign Ministry, adding that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union divided Europe into spheres of influence.

In addition, Warsaw once again accused the USSR of repressing the Polish people.

Russia has repeatedly declared the inadmissibility of statements of this kind made by Poland. Arguing that the Soviet Union is the culprit in the outbreak of World War II, the Polish authorities for some reason are bashfully silent about the fact that, in fact, until 1939 Poland was an ally of Germany and participated in the treacherous occupation and dismemberment of a sovereign state - Czechoslovakia.

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[Theodore]

As one Pole said: With the Germans, minus 6 million! Under the Soviets, plus 15 million! A strange occupation ........

[Grandfather]

Polish Foreign Ministry

dog krev ... nothing more to say.

[knn54]

"The bravest of the brave are too often led by the vilest of the vile."
W. Churchill.
And as the American publicist and historian William Shearer said:
"If Chamberlain acted honestly and nobly, pacifying Hitler and giving him Czechoslovakia in 1938, then why did Stalin behave dishonestly and dishonestly, appeasing Hitler a year later with Poland, which still refused Soviet help?"

[75 Sergey]

yeah, he didn’t know how much he destroyed 3–4 million Indians in India?

[Shurik70]

In fact, the main culprit is the Anglo-Saxons, especially England.
It was England that financed Hitler before the outbreak of war.
It was England who urged Poland to provoke Germany.
The second culprit of the outbreak of war is Poland. It was Poland, together with Germany and Hungary, who attacked the Czech Republic. And then she provoked Germany.
The beginning of the 2nd World War should be considered September 21st 1938. It began with the presentation by Poland of the ultimatum of Czechoslovakia.

[sniperino]

Quote: Shurik70

The second culprit of the outbreak of war is Poland.

After the first two, you can write about the entry of the USSR into 2MB, but you cannot put him among the culprits.

[Trotil42]

Putin promised to write an article and publish it on the occasion of the 75th anniversary ... about the beginning of the war ... Have you read this article? Me not...It is shameful ... like all promises nullified ... this is an actual recognition ... may the veterans forgive us for this power ... for the authorities calmly accepting wild slander against them ... and will not even deign to give a decent answer...

[poquello]

Quote: knn54

"The bravest of the brave are too often led by the vilest of the vile."
W. Churchill.
And as the American publicist and historian William Shearer said:
"If Chamberlain acted honestly and nobly, pacifying Hitler and giving him Czechoslovakia in 1938, then why did Stalin behave dishonestly and dishonestly, appeasing Hitler a year later with Poland, which still refused Soviet help?"

here and further you can continue, somehow the Poles didn’t shun the USSR and the Nazis didn’t shun, so you don’t shout when the Nazis decided to divide Poland.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Dead Day

dog krev ... nothing more to say.

Truly the "hyena of Europe". As it was, it is. And by the way, their good-natured Allies generally wanted to tear Poland apart. Stalin did not.
But remember the good? "The service already provided is worthless."

[major147]

Quote: Dead Day

Polish Foreign Ministry

dog krev ... nothing more to say.

When the Polish fascists together with the German fascists "derbanized" Czecho-Slovakia, was it "not a war", but a prank? And when the Germans seized Poland, the typical began - "and we for what !?"

[Zhan]

Quote: Theodore

As one Pole said: With the Germans, minus 6 million! Under the Soviets, plus 15 million! A strange occupation ........

Oh and the Poles licked at the State Department ... Directly to the whole fifth point ...

[Hagen]

Quote: Zhan

Oh and the Poles licked at the State Department

".... FRAGMENT OF TALK:
SIKORSKY: You know, the Polish-American alliance costs nothing. On the contrary, it even harms. Because it creates a false sense of security in Poland.
ROSTKOVSKY: Why?
SIKORSKY: This is complete crap. Since we will quarrel with Germany and Russia and we will consider that everything is super, because we are sucking from the Americans like a fraudulent. The last fraera ..... "I think it's not worth representing the characters

[Grandfather]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Zhan

Oh and the Poles licked at the State Department

".... FRAGMENT OF TALK:
SIKORSKY: You know, the Polish-American alliance costs nothing. On the contrary, it even harms. Because it creates a false sense of security in Poland.
ROSTKOVSKY: Why?
SIKORSKY: This is complete crap. Since we will quarrel with Germany and Russia and we will consider that everything is super, because we are sucking from the Americans like a fraudulent. The last fraera ..... "I think it's not worth representing the characters

A real scandal erupts in Poland, which could cost the career of the country's foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski. The popular Polish weekly "Wprost" is due out on Monday, June 23, with a publication revealing the wiretapping of Radoslaw Sikorski's conversation with ex-finance minister Jacek Rostowski and ex-minister of transport, construction and marine economy Slawomir Novak. During this conversation, the current Polish foreign minister sharply criticized his country's alliance with the United States.

And the fact that Poland is the most faithful American congener in Eastern Europe has long been no secret. Largely relying precisely on Warsaw, the United States is pursuing its tough anti-Russian policy in Ukraine today. In fact, Poland for Washington is a kind of overseer for the Baltic states and Ukraine. Many experts are convinced that the White House is primarily attempting to shake the power of Alexander Lukashenko with Polish hands. In addition, Poland is often used by the United States and as a counterweight to Germany and France within the European Union.

And it was Sikorsky who, along with the foreign ministers of Germany and France, was the guarantor of the signing and execution on February 19 of this year in Kiev of Viktor Yanukovych’s agreements with the opposition. As it turned out, the guarantor is unreliable. Or crafty,

So what is it about the wiretap published by "Wprost" (and the magazine posted it for open reading on the Internet the day before)?

In a private conversation, Sikorski expresses the opinion that the foreign policy of the current Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Defense Minister Tomasz Semoniak is a mistake, and the Polish-American alliance is "useless." This alliance is "bad for Poland because it creates a false sense of security." Moreover, in some places the Polish Foreign Minister is switching to juicy "non-diplomatic" expressions:

- This is shit, we will quarrel with the Germans and the French, because we suck at the Americans, like the last frayer. Poland's problem is that we have cheap national pride and low self-esteem. Such a negro.

Many Polish political scientists are already worried whether the scandal with this wiretapping will end the career of the current Minister of Foreign Affairs Sikorski.

Although, after all, the man said the truth. I did not win. And inside the country, many will understand him. But in Washington - hardly ...

But the most surprising thing in this whole story, perhaps, is that the Polish leaders, it turns out, are well aware of the one-sidedness of their foreign policy. But, or they can do nothing about it. Either the "big boss" (or the demon) from overseas does not give ...
https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/26246.7/3127018/

[Tatyana]

It would be naive to expect something else from the modern official revanchist Nazi Poland!
Namely, it is naive to wait for recognition from Poland itself in unleashing the WWII in 1938 with Hitler Germany, with the support of Hitlerism in Western Europe from the same Great Britain, France and the USA.

[avg]

It is necessary to firmly and unequivocally blame Poland since the war of conquest of 1920, listing all their alliances and plans for the capture and dismemberment of the USSR, the seizure of part of Czechoslovakia, the refusal to let our troops go to help the Czechs, the betrayal of the Anders army, attempts to counter the Red Army of the Polish government in exile and the Home Army, the destruction of the Jews, etc. up to their swine behavior in CMEA. And the most important thing is not to back down from this position.

[Tatyana]

The Polish Foreign Ministry called the USSR the culprit of the outbreak of World War II

We need to clearly understand why the most revanchist Poland needs all this.

Warsaw, and in its own Polish nationalist interests, seeks - with the support of the Washington / Pentagon - to declare any national interests of the Russian Federation, as such, as the successor to the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, legally void in the world.
At the same time, revanchist Poland proposes to start again robbing our country, Russia and its peoples, biased and bureaucratically.
A. Wasserman spoke about this in detail. back in 2011.

Russia and Poland. Katyn. A. Wasserman. Aug 2 2011 year

[Tatyana]

The Polish Foreign Ministry called the USSR the culprit of the outbreak of World War II

The official Warsaw’s allegedly guilty Russia’s mantra must be resolutely stopped!

It is noteworthy that in Poland itself, official Warsaw had a hysteria about the dismantling of plaques on the eve of May 9 in Tver commemorative plaques dedicated to the memory of the Poles allegedly shot by the NKVD. Namely.

The Minister of Culture of Poland, Peter Glinsky, suddenly recalled hysterically - after dismantling these false memorial plaques - about Polish-Russian relations, in the break of which it was precisely Poland in recent years that has played the decisive most sadistically shameful way over the Russians. It is enough to recall at least the mass demolition in Poland of the monuments to Soviet soldiers who liberated Poland from fascist enslavement.

The Russian prosecutor's office justified its decision to demolish these "commemorative" plaques by the fact that the first plaque with the inscription: "In memory of the tortured ..." was mistakenly installed on another house. And according to the Polish blackboard, established by the Poles themselves, the Russian prosecutor's office did not find any documents confirming what was written.

In Poland, a tantrum rolled after the dismantling of the “Katyn” board in Tver. • May 9, 2020

[Peter is not the first]

It is necessary for our State Duma to legislatively designate the date of the beginning of World War II on September 30, 1938, when German and Polish troops entered Czechoslovakia.
Yes, I understand that this will be a date only for us, and not for the whole world, and even Belarus will not support us, but we must indicate our position, and not defend ourselves against the attacks of the European hyena.

[cost]

in the press service of the Polish Foreign Ministry: In the Polish Foreign Ministry, the position of Germany on the sole fault of the Nazis for the beginning of World War II was called simplified. According to Polish diplomats, the Soviet Union is to blame for the outbreak of war, along with Germany

Russian, German and Pole (s) .... Eternal history

[Valery Valery]

I didn’t even read the article - the headline was enough.
For 1000 years, Poland has been our natural enemy.
We will never be friends. They hate us mortally, they hate us, they are afraid and envy. They envy all their black souls.

[Sky strike fighter]

The Polish Foreign Ministry called the USSR the culprit of the outbreak of World War II

What does it change? Well, something struck the Poles once again. Rather, someone from Washington. It happens sometimes. They are afraid of Germany and Russia, and they obediently fulfill all of Washington’s demands, in the hope that he will cover the Poles if something happens. What else can they hope for “What the Americans, who were jealous of the successes of the USSR in WWII, asked them about. What’s next? The main thing for Americans is to put us on a par with Germany, to delete from the list of winners and to appropriate all the merits of the victory of the USA and Great Britain on May 8 at the official american government website and only the United States and Great Britain were mentioned as winners. We do not fit into their current coordinate system. Expected.

[Alena Frolovna]

They hate us mortally, they hate us, they are afraid and envy.

All their bile in our direction is primarily from envy, and then everything else. Pathetic ones, these "Panov".
And we are kind, but ...

[Sector]

Quote: Valery Valery

I didn’t even read the article - the headline was enough.

Here on this we are caught here by some .. On the headlines and more! Still need to read the articles. And they can write about Russia as well ..

[Alex Justice]

We will never be friends.

Another faith. The priests quarreled us.

[Sector]

Quote: Theodore

As one Pole said: With the Germans, minus 6 million! Under the Soviets, plus 15 million! A strange occupation ........

Now Ukrainians are dragged for forelocks .. Like in ancient times! And they like it !!!!!
The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth seems to be, if not for the American base ..)))

[4ekist]

"Polish prostitute" literally and figuratively justifies its name.

[Pavel73]

There are fewer and fewer such Poles.

[Sector]

Quote: Pavel73

There are fewer and fewer such Poles.

I also hope so, but so far it’s not particularly felt ..

[Pavel73]

I meant normal honest Poles. It's not about the people. By and large, the Polish people don’t give a damn about us, just like we do about them. But Polish statesmen consider her the successor of the same Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which led the struggle with Russia for dominance in eastern Europe (and lost). These are our real enemies and haters.

[Timon2155]

It is time for our upstairs to strain and start dumping archival docks about Poland and its affairs before WWII. And then the snot chew slurred.

[Sector]

Quote: Timon2155

It is time for our upstairs to strain and start dumping archival docks about Poland and its affairs before WWII. And then the snot chew slurred.

Spread out slowly, but no one believes ..
There are also about "zardenkommando" and other policemen, but ...
EVERYTHING HAS ITS TIME !

[DDT]

I didn't even read the article ... "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat ... I said and dragged the lamb into the dark forest."

[Pavel73]

Of course, Nazi Germany is not alone in blaming the war. All those who conducted any negotiations with her and signed agreements are also to blame. Including Poland. And with the exception of the USSR.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Pavel73

Of course, Nazi Germany is not alone in blaming the war. All those who conducted any negotiations with her and signed agreements are also to blame. Including Poland. And with the exception of the USSR.

in fact, the usa and the little shaved fall there.

[really]

Everyone gets there, without exception, everyone lost the game, killing people and the economy.

[Grandfather]

Quote: really

Everyone gets there, without exception, everyone lost the game, killing people and the economy.

a controversial issue, the USSR to Germany, supplied grain and not technology, unlike the United States and the British, I am silent about Europe ....

[mig29mks]

The West began to give money to Germany only on the condition that the latter did not even dare to think about any aggressive behavior on its western border !!! But about the eastern border and the eastward movement, no one has mentioned it !!! What can be considered an invitation to a military campaign to the east !!!

[Sector]

Quote: mig29mks

The West began to give money to Germany only on the condition that the latter did not even dare to think about any aggressive behavior on its western border !!! But about the eastern border and the eastward movement, no one has mentioned it !!! What can be considered an invitation to a military campaign to the east !!!

The crusade to the east continues, only in a more cunning form .. USSR collapsed, now it’s Russia’s turn
Well, it's not evening yet, "gentlemen" and it's too early to blow into the pipes, or rather late .. You fouled Russia while the collapse of the USSR was celebrated and medals were handed out, pumping resources from the former ..
All will have to be returned!

[Pravodel]

Oh sure. There would be no war, but occupation ... So with the songs, pipes, marches the Germans would march through Poland, and then move to the Union ... Moreover, the border was 300 km closer to Moscow then, and from the Baltic to In general, St. Petersburg is only 90 km away ... With such a march, you don’t even have time to screw the footcloths and put on your shoes, as the Germans will already be at the door ..

[Finn]

Masochists Poles seem.

[paul3390]

And if there hadn’t been a Munich agreement and a partition of Czechoslovakia, on which the Poles warmed their tenacious paws - the war would not have happened even more so ..

[Pvi1206]

Is it worth paying attention to such statements? ... playing on the nerves ... language without bones ... let them grind what they want ...

[Lord of the Sith]

It was necessary to divide Pshekland between neighboring countries, there would be no such idiocy.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In the Kremlin, they will tolerate these pranks? .. But the Foreign Ministry expresses the official position of the state ..

[Sky strike fighter]

Yes, even if they stand on their ears. What is it for us? Pay attention to each clown, so it will not be politics, but a circus.

[really]

You can ride a horse with a saber like ancestors. And no one will blame you for exceeding strength

[parusnik]

It's time to get used to this crap .. The dog barks ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: parusnik

It's time to get used to this crap .. The dog barks ....

You can endure a couple of “bows”, but when they squeal, whine and howl without interruption, it’s time to kick this dog so that it runs farther than it sees on its two front legs with its back raised.
The Katyn case simply needs to be declassified and severed diplomatic relations with Poland, until you change your mind. Stop enduring a lousy hyena at your side.

[cniza]

In addition, Warsaw once again accused the USSR of repressing the Polish people.

Apparently this should be done, not only with respect to the Polish people, but with respect to the stupid Polish politicians ...

[Sector]

Quote: cniza

In addition, Warsaw once again accused the USSR of repressing the Polish people.

Apparently this should be done, not only with respect to the Polish people, but with respect to the stupid Polish politicians ...

Sooner or later, gather "such politicians" and send them to China at the Nyurbengsky COURT .. And the Chinese won't let them out !!!!!

[A good one]

Come on, China, on the shore adapted and waits as usual swollen sailing.

[Sector]

Quote: Not bad

Come on, China, on the shore adapted and waits as usual swollen sailing.

I know such an ancient saying among the Chinese And yet, you can send them to the COURT of our and other world killers, etc. If it comes to this, it will be difficult to get out and run away !!!!

[1976AG]

"Poland does not agree with the position of Germany, which declared the sole responsibility of the German fascists for the outbreak of World War II. This was stated in the press service of the Polish Foreign Ministry, RBC reports."

Poland teaches history to everyone ..

[Ilya098]

A phrase from Churchill's memoirs:

Poland’s position was as follows: “We take risks with the Germans
lose freedom, and with Russians - our soul. ”

After dozens of years, Poland, not only the soul, not even a conscience left.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

The Munich agreement, they do not want to remember when, Germany, France and the United Kingdom, Italy, as well as Poland, which received the Teszy region, the Czech Republic were Derbanili. Recognize Poland as a participant and guilty at the beginning of World War II.

[babylon]

I know Pshek very well
Most of the ministry of ministry as in western Ukraine is very envious,
They feel good when you feel bad.
But the trouble with them is that they will never be well out of such a policy

[7,62x54]

Psheky defecate slightly, but the trouble is, the wind is constantly blowing on them, from this they only get angrier.

[KVU-NSVD]

Statements by the Polish authorities in recent years have caused nothing but disgust.

[Sector]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Statements by the Polish authorities in recent times have been nothing but disgusting.

"Jackals of Europe", what else to take from them .. They drag the outskirts by the forelocks))))

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: cniza

In addition, Warsaw once again accused the USSR of repressing the Polish people.

Apparently this should be done, not only with respect to the Polish people, but with respect to the stupid Polish politicians ...

No one has canceled the principle of collective responsibility, every nation deserves its own government, those units that have brains do not solve anything.

[Retvizan 8]

Since all the lines in the communication of diplomatic institutions are being erased and moving on to the stage of completely absurd statements, I suggest that our Ministry of Foreign Affairs speak from high tribunes demanding that the current Polish leadership repent for the criminal division of the territories of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler Germany.

[lexa333]

Well, how much can you drag this to the site

[ioan-e]

Poland stubbornly continues to run into the next section! What will it be there, fourth?

[really]

You think badly

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

That is, while the "oppressed" are throwing shit with a shovel at the "Russian oppressors" - these are meaningless and worthless "stupidity and weakness". But if the "Russian oppressor" drew attention to these "stupidity and weaknesses" - that's for sure - a manifestation of chauvinism and nationalism, and naturally, requires immediate censure and is suppressed without special attention to methods and means. Rusophobia would be time, in my opinion. , already lead to the category of separate educational disciplines, for this essence is multiplying and multiplying, taking on the most bizarre forms with a completely unshakable constant content
Such is the policy of the Limitrophs forever and ever. It was, is and will be. In general, take away already from Issue some annual report, come up with a name for it more colorful.

In this report, write that Poland is a state that has partially lost its independence. For example: Poland is able to conduct an independent trade policy in the field of agricultural products sales, but the Polish state is not able to make political decisions regarding (... to come up with a phrase ...). It is imperative to add "highlighted like" to the report.

Abstracts, abstracts.

Then, the State Duma, let it adopt some law by which it will approve the list (... come up with a list), when selling from which, commercial companies of the Russian Federation must require a contract to be signed by a representative of a commercial organization with Polish jurisdiction, but only officially endorsed by the representative of the United States. As an example, the construction of nuclear power plants. Only with the visa of the official representative of the USA, will we have enough ambassador. For example, they still will not buy nuclear power plants, here the main precedent is. You can insert some trifles into this list, whose export to Poland is not a pity to lose.

So let's work on the Balts, Poland, 404. Each country has its own list of project-products. Let's pass laws by which we officially recognize their countries as having lost and partially lost their independence. Let's start in all the comments of the officials to dismissively ask again: "Who? Duda ?! We are sympathetic to the situation in Poland. Unfortunately, this state has lost its independence and is currently not independent in these matters. We are certainly sorry for the Polish people, but unfortunately we cannot help them to become independent. "To release some annual report, to come up with a title more flourishing.

In this report, write that Poland is a state that has partially lost its independence. For example: Poland is able to conduct an independent trade policy in the field of agricultural products sales, but the Polish state is not able to make political decisions regarding (... to come up with a phrase ...). It is imperative to add "highlighted like" to the report.

Abstracts, abstracts.

Then, the State Duma, let it adopt some law by which it will approve the list (... come up with a list), when selling from which, commercial companies of the Russian Federation must require a contract to be signed by a representative of a commercial organization with Polish jurisdiction, but only officially endorsed by the representative of the United States. As an example, the construction of nuclear power plants. Only with the visa of the official representative of the USA, will we have enough ambassador. For example, they still will not buy nuclear power plants, here the main precedent is. You can insert some trifles into this list, whose export to Poland is not a pity to lose.

So let's work on the Balts, Poland, 404. Each country has its own list of project-products. Let's pass laws by which we officially recognize their countries as having lost and partially lost their independence. Let's start in all the comments of the officials to dismissively ask again: "Who? Duda ?! We are sympathetic to the situation in Poland. Unfortunately, this state has lost its independence and is currently not independent in these matters. We are certainly sorry for the Polish people, but unfortunately we cannot help them become independent. " Mateusz Morawiecki textbook, there are still many wonderful discoveries waiting for him

[Retvizan 8]

The Hyenas
Europe ", and they do not want to consider the" Munich Agreement "an act that provoked the Second World War
?

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Retvizan 8

The Hyenas
Europe ", and they do not want to consider the" Munich Agreement "an act that provoked the Second World War
?

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

So we write:

“The most serious threat is posed by the neo-conservative policy of the Polish authorities, which is also being implemented through the use of military force. Aggression in Iraq, the dismemberment of Yugoslavia and actions in Afghanistan violated the basic principles of international law and undermined the foundations of the world security system.

Poland is intensively developing its offensive potential, in particular in the eastern strategic direction, in the waters of the Baltic Sea and in close proximity to the Kaliningrad Region of the Russian Federation. She also conducts exercises in scenarios involving a conflict with the Russian Federation, the rapid overturning of large groupings of troops and even the use of nuclear weapons, the deployment of which the Allies are actively seeking.

Poland also carries out various kinds of hybrid actions that carry the risks of an outbreak of conflict, and also actively disseminates misinformation.

Poland is expected to continue its policy of questioning the current international order ... with the aim of building a Euro-Atlantic position and zones of influence, primarily in Eastern Europe. "

[Lunaaron]

- Yuri Vladimirovich, the Polish ambassador is to you.
- enter ...

[anjey]

How much can this utter nonsense be carried, the USSR proposed in August 1939 an agreement on the collective security of England, France, Poland and Romania. These countries held out political rubber and eventually refused, which they hoped was completely unclear, everything was already breathing war and now its wretched slurred and understandable to many people try to sow the whole world.

[pytar]

What is the basis of the opinion of the Polish Foreign Ministry? Let's try to look at the situation from the point of view of the Poles!
On July 25, 1932, the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty was signed (Pakt o nieagresji Polska - ZSRR) - an interstate agreement between Poland and the CCC, initially for a period of 3 years, but on May 5, 1934, was extended until December 31, 1945.



On January 26, 1934, the “Declaration on the Non-Use of Force” was signed between Germany and Poland ( Deklaracja między Polską a Niemcami o niestosowaniu przemocy) (also called the Non-Aggression Treaty between Germany and Poland).
Hitler tore the non-aggression treaties with Poland unilaterally on April 28, 1939, and on September 1, 1939 Germany attacked Poland! On September 17, 1939, the Red Army also began military operations against Poland, denouncing the non-aggression pact on the same day. Germany did the same on June 22, 41, already with the USSR!
Here we must honestly admit that the Act, contrary to all agreements linking Poland and the USSR, was a secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 23, 1939, which provided for the actual liquidation of the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the USSR.
Of course, Poland's own actions are far from perfect! On the other hand, everyone had a weighty argument to act this way and not otherwise! Everyone is right for themselves, hardly anyone will change their point of view! And the disputes imposed by the "interested", periodically escalate the situation, without leading to anything useful. This is especially sad, since we are talking about two great Slavic peoples!

[sharp-lad]

Plus for truthfulness. But, where without, by September 17, Poland no longer had sovereignty in fact and the Union had a very poor choice - to actually take its own or surrender everything to Germany. Plus, the partition of Poland was largely determined by its aggression against the Czech Republic!

[pytar]

Hi Oleg! I clearly said - everyone had some reason to act exactly as they acted! Therefore, the separation of points of view! In the given case, and indeed in politics - it is not law and order that matters, but expediency! I am not a lawyer, but even less a lawyer to the Poles! But the facts are obvious! The actions of Germany and the USSR are very similar, if not identical! For the Poles - the same! The difference is that post-war Germany apologized, and the USSR and the Russian Federation, as an ego successor, never apologized for the events in 1939, the Russian Federation apologized for Katyn, and that’s it.
Another important fact - chronologically, the Ribentrop-Mollotov Pact, providing for the liquidation and partition of Poland / and east. Europe /, was concluded at a time when it had non-aggression treaties simultaneously with these two countries! That is, they agreed among themselves to divide the country with which they had non-aggression treaties! This is to put them on a par with Poland! This is the weighting basis for the position of the present Polsha, a position that meets with support among the majority of the Polish people. It's not a question of propaganda or the "natural worseness of the Poles", but of how the situation looks on their side! I do not justify the behavior of Polsha herself, and especially France, Britain! They have their own sins, no less!
As for "Poland's aggression against the Czech Republic", this is a very controversial topic! The Cieszyn region, with its mixed Czech-Polish population, has been disputed between Czechoslovakia and Poland since the 20s, when the country's wallpaper became independent! Czechoslovakia occupied it, during the Soviet-Polish war in the 20s, then Poland was on the verge of disaster! Poland never recognized the claims of Czechoslovakia over Teshine. I do not judge who is right and who is not, but in '38 the USSR did not declare war on Poland! To justify the partition of Poland in 39 with the events in Cieszyn in 38, it seems to me rather weak. This is an old conflict between two neighboring states, about a small tourist area, to which the USSR had nothing to do!

[anjey]

Quote: pytar

I do not condone the behavior of Polsha herself, and especially France and Britain! They have their sins, no less!

That's exactly what is interesting in the first place to England, in your opinion, it prevented the creation of an alliance in August 1939 with the USSR, to give the same Poland consent to the passage of the Red Army in the event of an attack by the Germans on one of the allies and History would turn differently and with less World destruction and blood, What England hoped for is understandable - to send Hitler to the USSR and to stay on the sidelines themselves, but how - by betraying Poland? What happened in the end That's what Poland hoped for is not clear, the Polish government was under British influence - puppets who would bring their state to "suicide", So that the culprit of the aggression against Poland is even very controversial, it is England with France, and Poland itself with its murky suicidal and dependent policy.

[pytar]

Hello Andrey!

Exactly what is interesting first of all to England, in your opinion it prevented the creation of an alliance with the USSR in August 1939, to give Poland the same consent to pass the Red Army in the event of the Germans attacking one of the allies ...

The fact that in the USSR ideology declared rules declaring the destruction of the existing system and the dominance of the Communists over the whole world ruled. For Britain, Hitler looked less dangerous than Stalin. It was in the British interest to push these enemies against each other. Which ultimately happened.
About Poland, I wrote a few comments down. I explained why there was no other choice for her than the alliance with France and Great Britain. This union did not justify itself, but here the fault of Poland is minimal. By the way, Poland could not let the Red Army in 38 to Czechoslovakia, since Warsaw claimed / and not without reason / in the Tieszyn region.

So the culprit of the aggression against Poland is even very ambiguous, this is England and France

All participants in these events at one or another level are to blame. Let us not forget that after the defeat of Poland, the USSR was going to enter the Axis and participate in the division of the British Empire. The defeat of Poland was a step towards the next conquest, but then Stalin miscalculated ... which cost the lives of 26 million Soviet people!

"From the recording of the conversation between V.M. Molotov and F. Schulenburg, November 25, 1940.
Comrade Molotov reports on the conditions on which the Soviet Union agrees to accept basically the draft pact of four powers (i.e. the Berlin-Rome-Moscow-Tokyo axis), and also speaks of the conclusions that follow from this message ... "

"Here are some of those conditions:
1. If the German troops are now withdrawn from Finland, representing the sphere of influence of the USSR, according to the Soviet-German agreement of 1939, and the USSR is obligated to ensure peaceful relations with Finland, as well as the economic interests of Germany in Finland (export of timber, nickel);
2. If the security of the USSR in the Straits is ensured in the coming months by concluding a pact of mutual assistance between the USSR and Bulgaria, which is geographically located in the sphere of security of the Black Sea borders of the USSR, and organizing a military and naval base of the USSR in the Bosphorus and Dardanelles on a long-term basis rent;
3. If the area south of Batum and Baku in the general direction to the Persian Gulf will be recognized as the center of gravity of the aspiration of the USSR;
4. If Japan relinquishes its concession rights for coal and oil in Northern Sakhalin on the basis of fair compensation "

By the way, the note to Vol. 4 - until 09.08.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX, Japan, fighting with the allies, received extraordinary oil and coal from Sakhalin.

[anjey]

Politically and ideologically, as two different systems - the USSR and Nazi Germany would never have become allies, Stalin perfectly understood the support of Hitler's Western capitalists, they considered the Nazis to be the vanguard in the fight against the Bolsheviks, and in order to delay the deadly ideological battle, the USSR had to maneuver between the Nazis and the lying capitalists, in theory they were all enemies of the first socialist state. And the fact that in the strategic result the USSR defeated basically the Nazi military-political machine and, for example, the same Poland endowed with lands at the expense of Germany, does not give reason to raise this petty and nasal nagging about some kind of pacts. Having kissed the German politicians in the gums, the Poles do not feel the Auschwitz ash on their lips ??? And they began to completely forget that the USSR was their real savior. PS
Many American industrial firms helped Hitler during WWII, so what? Money doesn’t smell for them even now.

[pytar]

Politically and ideologically, as two different systems - the USSR and Nazi Germany would never have become allies .... The USSR had to maneuver between the Nazis and the false capitalists, in theory they were all enemies of the first socialist state.

Interest unions have always existed. Usually they acted while interests converged. Two facts: 1. Negotiations between the socialist USSR and Nazi Germany on the entry of the first into the Axis. 2. The creation of an anti-Hitler coalition with the main participants in the socialist USSR, the capitalist USA and Great Britain.

And the fact that in the strategic result the USSR defeated mainly the Nazi military-political machine and, for example, endowed Poland with lands at the expense of Germany ...

Post-war Poland decreased by 1/3 in area. But modern Poland has no revenge.

It grew at the expense of German territories, but historically, when they were Polish. The Poles fought against the Nazis bravely on all fronts, and in the rear. Poland is a country of anti-Hitler coalition!

... does not give reason to raise this petty and nasal nagging about some kind of pacts.

For Poles / and not only / these pacts are fatal! The role of the USSR in different periods from the point of view of the Poles / and not only / varies from negative to positive. The story is not black and white!

Kissing now with German politicians on the gums, the Poles do not feel the ashes of Auschwitz on their lips ??? And they began to completely forget that the USSR was their real savior. PS

Let me remind you that Russian politicians kiss German as well! Germany apologized! The current generation is not guilty of Nazi crimes, just as the current Russians are not to blame for the actions of Stalin! I dare say that the majority of Poles perfectly remember who saved them! But here we are talking about completely different events!

Many American industrial firms helped Hitler during WWII, so what? Money doesn’t smell for them even now.

Money doesn't smell. Again we have to remind you that the USSR for the period from August 23, 1939 to June 22, 1941 provided up to 40% of the needs of harsh Germany! The concession for the extraction of coal and oil of Sakhalin, worked in Japan throughout the war, until 09.08.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX. These are facts, you can not argue with him!
Each to each can put up a long list of complaints! Here in the next thread on the forum under the article about Czechoslovakia (1930-1940), they throw fire and a bogeyman on the Czechs! And then the Czechs are the victims! Is there any benefit from this approach? I think hardly ...

[anjey]

The thing is that now Russophobia in the West is well paid, both politically and financially, from which there are countless, sometimes pseudo-historical and one-sided claims and claims in particular to Russia, this is essentially Revanchism and the continuation of not ideological but geopolitical and competitive war West versus Russia.

[pytar]

The thing is that now Russophobia in the West is well paid, both politically and financially ...

To the west, Pts write little and talk about Russia. Citizens of Western countries are not very interested in Russia. Somewhere looked statistics - less than 4% of all news. And when something negative is published, alternative opinions are sometimes given. At the same time, the West has a very impressive place in Russia. informational resources! In almost all cases, the colors are negative! "There are enemies, there are traitors" - these are the main light motifs of modern Russian media. Westphobia, but in general all sorts of phobias, are the norm in rus-media! I'll tell you more! From foreign media, materials of a Rossophobic nature are selected, which are then presented to Russian citizens as a generalized, prevailing opinion! And how antithesis is very often quoted allegedly "foreign" publishers writing positively about Russia. In most cases, we are talking about "import of routine information" from the publishers associated with Russian propaganda centers. The goal is simple - it will inspire the Russian that "the country is surrounded, enemies are on the doorstep", and distract his attention from internal problems! It turns out a very distorted picture of reality. I think you understand what is at stake ...

[anjey]

Yeah, Western friends from NATO from the times of Gorby and EBN approached Moscow at a flight time of 30 minutes, and this is in response to the friendly withdrawal of the military contingent from Europe, the reduction of nuclear weapons and the Army in general, about which you sing so sweetly, the reality is on the face , the drive to power and support from the West, neo-Nazis in Ukraine, a real military confrontation imposed on Russia on all fronts, including economic, sanctions (Nord Stream 2), rough illegal competition, rude and sometimes stupid provocations of Western intelligence services (Skripali, Malaysian Boeing) In short, your tales about the "Good, Rich and Free West" will not be rolled out here on VO, the West with every fiber of the soul really and in fact shows that it is our Enemy and is passed on to the media, which is just a part of modern politics, all this confrontation and hostility is not worth it, it's all much deeper ... Our internal problems The West is helping us to solve with its sanctions.

[pytar]

Andrey, we’re talking about Poland - we’ve been talking for 39 years! Of course, I can oppose everything that you just wrote, but this is completely off topic!

[anjey]

Dear, this is all in the Topic, the modern Russophobic policy of many countries dependent on the US and the EU is essentially the same, one of them is Poland with its controversial and one-sided claims, and again, as in 1939, it is dependent on the "Western Big Brother" and it is again a military foothold from West to East, so it's all about Poland and its future.

[pytar]

All claims are controversial. Yours to others, too. The field for discussion is immense. In my opinion, it is useful because you can try to look at the situation from the side of your opponents. Will be put in their place. For the hardened "lawyers" this is an impossible task.

[anjey]

You stopped giving "accent" in the text I am surprised at you ...

[pytar]

I tried to bias the facts. As they are. I don’t know how much I managed ... I don’t give an assessment, all opinions deserve attention! But to demand from someone else, to think like you, is not worth it! I read in a statue about the recently opened Kolchak monument and the white movement. Arguably large, conflicting estimates - extreme! You yourself cannot figure it out, but that's fine! After all, the story is often mixed! And the Russian abounds with twists and turns! Not like others to take it for sure! Let everyone remain with their opinions! The difference of opinion, there is no reason to be considered enemies! In conclusion, I will quote one of my favorite phrase:

In short, more self-criticism does not hurt ...

[anjey]

I agree, but not self-flagellation and repentance (which is usually why the West interprets it as weakness) for the amusement of enemies.

[pytar]

In no case self-flagellation! But repentance, yes! You can’t be afraid to seem weak! Power is in the truth! Repentance is purification! Pure in spirit, always stronger!

[anjey]

We already went through this, repentance to everyone and everything in the 90s, helped to ruin the USSR and the self-consciousness of the Soviet people.

[pytar]

No repentance problem! A state / ideology based on too many myths / distortions falls apart sooner or later. Repentance is just healing! An example is the same Germany! Now a country respected all over the world, with a monstrous economy and developed social protection of its citizens!

[anjey]

We have already repented well, withdrew our troops from Europe, united Germany, gave all republics independence within the country, erected monuments to the Czechs, Italians, Poles and Germans who fought against us, is that not enough? And what is the result today we have terry Russophobia, disrespect, vandalism, desecration and demolition of monuments throughout Europe, inciting belief that Russia owes someone and something forever, the pulling together of the USA and Europe, military force and bravado to it across all Russian borders, that next? Great 3MB war?

[pytar]

We already repented well, withdrew our troops from Europe, united Germany, gave independence to all the republics ... is that not enough for you?

You did all this by force! The USSR could no longer hold the East. Europe under its influence! All social. the system was cracking at the seams!

... they erected monuments to the Czechs, Italians, Poles and Germans who fought against us, is that your opinion?

You also fought against them in their territory! Your monuments are there too!

And what is the result for today we have - terry Russophobia, disrespect, vandalism, desecration and demolition of monuments throughout Europe ...

Do you think why Russophobian / or rather anti-Soviet / sentiments are stronger precisely where the USSR had influence? In East Europe! Here I am pleased to note that Bulgaria is an exception - we are the Russophile people.
Do you know how many thousands of Soviet monuments are in Europe? As an example, only Bulgaria Russian / Soviet more than 530! Cases of vandalism over them on the fingers can be counted! The percentage is insignificant! Make yourself a job and look for info, how much memory was scolded, broken in the Russian Federation for that time! Unpleasantly surprised!

... incitement of the belief that Russia owes something to someone and forever ...

Polistaesh on rus-media - all of you due! Guys ... no one owes anyone, other concepts apply in politics! Russian is not an exception!

... the pulling together of the United States and Europe, military force and bravado across all Russian borders, what's next? The Great 3MB war?

In fact, military bravado and the suggestion of "the image of the enemy" is actively used on both sides to nag money and divert the attention of societies from internal problems!
In 3MB, you and we, like the Vichy allies, were defeated! Winners don't judge! You were the winners in 2MB, you were not judged, but after the defeat in 3MB they started to judge! That is the logic of history!

[anjey]

They didn’t force us, the top sold out starting with Gorbi, we don’t have to exaggerate, we didn’t lose, I don’t agree, the eve of the World 3 is just beginning, and what you meant was wet dreams and myths of the West. Earlier in my childhood, I had a colorful book about Russian- The Turkish war in Bulgaria, about Shipka, with pictures of our soldiers and Bulgarian brothers, was positive for your country from childhood, which cannot be said now, thanks to your politicians, who licked the ass of the rich West and have already committed a lot of anti-Russian affairs in their politics.

[pytar]

They didn’t force us; the top sold out starting with Gorbi

Sold, say ... Well then, how can you characterize the political system that gives birth to traitors, sales people at the very top?

do not exaggerate, we did not lose, I do not agree, the eve of World 3 is just beginning, but what you meant was the wet dreams and myths of the West.

East losses Europe, the collapse of the USSR, the transition to a capitalist system of opponents, how else but defeat can be called?

Earlier in childhood, I had a colorful book about the Russian-Turkish war in Bulgaria, about Shipka, with pictures of our soldiers and Bulgarian brothers, since childhood, there was a positive attitude towards your country ...

I am at Shipki, along with all my relatives I visit every year, with the exception of this. Quarantine is not allowed. Unfortunately, I rarely see Russians there, even though they swarm the beaches nearby ... Too lazy to go and put a flower on our common monument with you.

... what you can’t say now, thanks to your politicians again, licking the ass of the rich West and having already committed many anti-Russian affairs in their politics.

This is an example of how Ross works. propaganda! According to opinion polls from Western social agencies, 65-80% of Bulgarians have a positive, friendly attitude towards Russia and Russians! According to Russophilian mood, Bulgaria leads the EU! Keep in mind that approximately 15% of the population are ethnic Turks and Gypsies, for whom Russians are not so pretty ... At the same time, only 4% of Russians, the Bulgarians consider close brotherly people.
No "Western" propaganda has any share here! If Bulgarians were interested in what nonsense is being circulated in Russian media, they would very quickly "cure" their Russophilia!
The actions of Bulgarian politicians can be criticized, of course there is a basis, but Russian far from angels! I am a hereditary Russophile! Everyone I know - in one or another degree treat Russians as their own! But I don’t see, by any logic, should I approve of Stalin’s policies or support the modern leadership of the Russian Federation? And they are to the Liberation of Bulgaria from the Turks ?! Yes, we consider Russians to be brothers, but neither Stalin nor GDP have anything to do with our brotherhood!

[anjey]

Did Stalin demolish Hitler and your tsar Boris, or was it better for you under the Nazis and their camp? You were also released in vain? Was your mother’s mother in Moldova, she is an ethnic Bulgarian, and the Gagauz village, Russified and Orthodox Turks and almost all Russophiles, but it’s in the 90s ..... GDP is at least one of the strongest and wisest politicians on the World Stage, although I am not a fan of him and I understand that he is a protege of his circle of oligarchs, but he is not bad against other world leaders, why don’t you personally like him? Yes, I’m not talking about ordinary Bulgarian people in negativity Mr. vein and a modern, corrupt and unscrupulous politicians and affiliates

[pytar]

Did Stalin demolish Hitler and your Tsar Boris, or was it apparently better with the Nazis and in their camp?

Stalin demolished Hitler, but Tsar Boris III died on August 28, 1943. There are suggestions that the ego was poisoned by order of Adolf ... On the route of a funeral train that crossed the whole country, hundreds of thousands of ordinary people gathered to say goodbye to the Bulgarian Tsar! Boris was one of the few rulers whom the people really loved and respected!

.... or were you apparently better off under the Nazis and in their camp? Were you also released in vain?

Our situation was different. The Germans did not interfere in our internal affairs. There were right-wingers, monarchists and so on, among whom there were many patriots, for example VMRO / internal Macedonian revolutionary organization! Fascism wasn’t like that, but Nazism wasn’t at all.
From 1940 to 05.09. 1944, Bulgaria managed to unite almost bloodlessly all its lands inhabited by the Bulgarian population. The national ideal, for which generations of revolutionaries and fighters for national unity fought, has come true!
The liberation of Bulgaria by the Red Army had the effect of a violent change in the socio-political system. Not a single Soviet soldier died during this "liberation"! The Bulgarian army took part in the war against the Wehrmacht at the final stage of the 2VM. But immediately after the victory, in Bulgaria the communists began mass repressions, gulags were created, more than 200 thousand suffered. man. The fate of the Macedonian Bulgarians was especially tragic! They were given to Yugoslavia and Greece! A violent assimilation began, the creation of a "Macedonian" nation, and so on. terrible things were happening! This affected 1/3 of the total Bulgarian people! My family is from these areas! My relatives there were "ancient Macedonians" who have no relationship with us! One to one looks like ukrah! We are still raking the results of this communist experiment!
So from our point of view, the subsequent events are extremely mixed!
As for the Gagauz and our Bulgarians in Moldova and Ukraine, I am aware that I have many friends there. By the origin of the Gagauz people still argue, but they are probably the descendants of the old Asparuhov Bulgarians. From this Turkic-speaking, and the Orthodox began in the early Middle Ages, when the Turks in the Balkans were not yet.
I don’t want to comment on GDP, your president, it’s your business.

[pytar]

Here in this photo, the hometown of my ancestors Bitola / Macedonia /, meets the Bulgarian Army Liberator in 1941! Our house, near this place!

The people, the soldiers cried for joy and hugged! Relatives saw each other after a long separation! Most of the soldiers were local Bulgarians who had fled from Serbian villainy in the past 15 years. Only 5 years later, 120 thousand. The Macedonian Bulgarians will be exterminated by the South Titovists, and those who survived will go through a violent monstrous experiment to create a new "Macedonian" anti-Bulgarian nation. Except as genocide, there is no other way to call it this language! Even the Turks never thought of that!

[anjey]

The whole world is in political dynamics and experiments on many peoples so far, the modern expansion of Western politics to the East brings many people blood and suffering, God forbid, you have peace and tranquility.

[pytar]

May God give you and your people peace and tranquility, Andrey!

[pytar]

... Poland no longer had sovereignty in fact and the Union had a very poor choice - to actually take its own or surrender everything to Germany. Plus, the partition of Poland was largely determined by its aggression against the Czech Republic!

A few more words on this occasion! The assertion "Poland no longer possessed sovereignty" is very controversial! There are many arguments against! The USSR handed the note to the representatives of the Polish government on September 17! The handing over of an official document of the government of a state means only one thing - the recognition of its existence and its legal capacity! In addition, the USSR had a readiness to attack Poland much earlier, but prudently pulled in order to get "suitable arguments" like that .... More ... You say "actually take your own" meaning Zap. Belorussia and Zap. Ukraine! Yes, you can consider them your own, even with respect to Zap. Ukraine with Galician Ukrainians and Poles there, it's debatable! At a much higher level, the Polish population, which was half the population of the Cieszyn region, had its own for Poland! Poland in '38 with every right, had the same grounds - to take virtually their own or give everything to Germany! And you think her actions are "aggression", even though only a year later, the USSR did so! Once again I clarify - I do not blame anyone, I do not reproach anyone! Times were shaky then, ambiguous!

[sharp-lad]

How many parties, so many opinions! Thank you for your calm, balanced and reasoned opinion. I do not quite agree with you, but respect.

[pytar]

How many parties, so many opinions!

As a resident of a third country, it’s easier for me to be more objective. I like the Russians and the Poles. These are worthy, brave, close to us Slavic peoples!
Many of the commentators here are identified with the USSR during the 40s, trying to justify "their own"! And they make a mistake! After all, then decisions were taken by a narrow circle of people sitting in power! Decisions leading to monstrous human sacrifice and destruction! Then, little depended on ordinary people, and the current generation cannot be guilty for what happened then. Inciting hatred on the buzz of the past, leads to ego repetition ...

[sharp-lad]

Arousing hatred on Buzz past, leads to ego repetition ...
The true truth!

[5-9]

By September 17, Poland as a state no longer existed ... the government fled abroad, the army stopped organized resistance and also fled abroad .... non-aggression treaties were with everyone, and the fact of the secret protocol of the pact was a big question. France and Britain did not fulfill their obligations to Poland in fact, although they could end the German-Polish war with a blow from the west.
This is if the purely legal side. Therefore, there are no legal grounds for a special offense against the USSR.

[pytar]

By September 17, Poland as a state no longer existed ... the government fled abroad, the army stopped organized resistance and also fled abroad ....

Dear Stas , some of these hardenings were contained in a note of the USSR handed to the Polish representatives on September 17, 1939! But! Poland, though chaotically continued to resist the Nazis! There were sticks with KA too! Warsaw, being in a ring of fire, capitulated on September 28, just on the day of the meeting of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht along the Bialystok-Brest-Lviv-Karpaty line. Let me remind you - on September 22, the Red Army and the Wehrmacht held a joint parade in Brest! The last significant Polish military units surrendered on October 5! The Polish government was evacuated in Romania on September 17, the day the Soviet troops entered! But it continued to function even years later, being in exile!
It will be appropriate here to recall that the governments of other countries later found themselves in a similar situation, but the USSR continued to maintain contacts with them!

all had non-aggression treaties with everyone, and the fact of the secret protocol of the pact was a big question.

Everyone had a contract, but not all of them violated! The secret protocol is a publicly recognized fact. The Soviet original of the protocol was stored in the NGO Central Committee of the CPSU (now the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation), Special Folder, package No. 34. After declassifying the archive in October 1992, the protocol, along with other documents of the package, was presented to the public at a press conference and published in newspapers. The scientific publication took place in the journal "New and Contemporary History", No. 1 for 1993. In June 2019, the Historical Memory Foundation first published the Soviet original of the Non-aggression Treaty between the USSR and Germany of 1939, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; a secret supplementary protocol to the treaty was also published.

France and Britain did not fulfill their obligations to Poland in fact, although they could end the German-Polish war with a blow from the west. This is if the purely legal side. Therefore, there are no legal grounds for a special offense against the USSR.

Having declared war on Germany, France and Britain formally and legally fulfilled their obligations to Poland. But no offensive military operations were carried out. The policy of these countries was aimed at the collision of Germany with the USSR. They sacrificed Poland to this erroneous, as history has shown, politics. Poland’s insult to the USSR has grounds both in fact and legally. Also, Poland must honestly admit that the allies of France and Britain betrayed her!

The last I want to say a few words about how nowadays propaganda incites hatred towards entire nations using contradictions in assessments of the past! Vesde on the forums are full of comments abusing the Poles, then other peoples! Articles in the same spirit come out regularly! Moreover, when they scold Poland, they expose it as a participant in the section of Czechoslovakia, and when they scold the Czech Republic they make "suitable" selections that make it look negative! But does everyone have sins? The USSR has a lot of them! You can't change history, but the approach to it, I think, should be changed in obsession! Whoever does it first will receive an undeniable advantage in the field of information war! The current Russian propaganda approach alienates even Russia's friends! This is counterproductive, harmful for Russia itself!

[5-9]

Everyone has their own historical truth ...
At the beginning of WWII, absolutely all its participants were guilty (in essence) to some degree ... maybe except for China, but by the end of the 30s there was a batch, and everyone except France and Britain (which the post-Versailles arranged) needed war system), but who did their best to direct Hitler to the East and still kindled a world fire.
Poland is not a victim, it just miscalculated. And we also know about plans for an attack on the USSR together with Hitler (discussions within Poland on expediency, and not a specific treaty).
After the Soviet Union after the war gave the original German lands 25% of the territory of Poland itself, presenting something to the USSR is simply not decent ....

PS: Friends of Russia in Poland are not visible during the day with fire, and they will not be there if the USSR is reborn and if there is a pro-American regime in Russia ....
The phantom pains of the people who lost their empire from May to May a century ago, hatred of the winning people ... how many preferences the tsarism arranged for the Poles (when the Germans / Austrians of the Poles in their parts of Poland simply rotted away, squeezed out or assimilated), but no ... Russophobia, so there is no need to trade in "friendship of peoples", the Russians understood everything after 1991, we no longer pay the limitrophes for this product

[pytar]

Everyone has their own historical truth ...

It is, you are right! The question here is to respect the views of others! Vparivat your opinion, as the only correct one and scold the opponent for it, is a mistake!

At the beginning of WWII, absolutely all its participants were guilty (in essence) to some degree ... maybe except for China, but by the end of the 30s there was a batch, and everyone except France and Britain (which the post-Versailles arranged) needed war system), but who did their best to direct Hitler to the East and still kindled a world fire.

With this opinion, I also agree!

Poland is not a victim, it just miscalculated. And we also know about plans for an attack on the USSR together with Hitler (discussions within Poland on expediency, and not a specific treaty).

It seems to me that everyone, including the USSR, miscalculated! As for Poland, being between two giants - Germany and the USSR, there were only 3 options: 1. An alliance with Germany - of course, it couldn't be. Hitler did not need Poland, he wanted to liquidate it once and for all. 2. Union with Russia - there were so many contradictions, and on top of that they added ideological ones, which was also impossible. 3. Alliance with France and Great Britain - in fact, the only possible variant. Didn't work as you mentioned correctly! France and Great Britain tried in every possible way to "pacify Hitler, in the empty hope that by surrendering to their allies, they would avoid a big war.

After the Soviet Union after the war gave the original German lands 25% of the territory of Poland itself, presenting something to the USSR is simply not decent ....

The USSR simply moved Poland to the West, at the same time occupying the former Polish and German territories. Moreover, present-day Poland does not present territorial claims; it is dissatisfied with the interpretation of the Russian Federation by the events of the 39th year. There are Poles, and indeed the whole East. Euro claims to the post-war socialist period. The topic is really sensitive, ambiguous.

Friends of Russia in Poland are not visible in the daytime with fire, and they will not be if the USSR is revived and if there is a pro-American regime in the Russian Federation ... The phantom pain of the people who lost their empire from May to May a century ago, hatred for the winning people ... how many preferences the tsarism arranged for the Poles (when the Germans / Austrians simply rotted the Poles in their parts of Poland, squeezed them out or assimilated), but no ... Russophobia, so there is no need to trade in "friendship of peoples", the Russians understood everything after 1991, for this product the limitrophes we don't pay anymore

Here the weighty role in inciting hatred has a modern Russian. propaganda! While writing the answer to you, here in VO I saw this state:
https://webkamerton.ru/2020/05/dazhe-lichnyy-shofyor-gitlera-byl-polyakom?utm_campaign=auction
"Even Hitler's personal chauffeur was a Pole!" - Talk about SS Obersturmbannfuhrer Erich Kempka from Polish Silesia! Stats say that he is a Silesian Pole! Yes, he was not a Pole, he is an ethnic German! Why write such nonsense? Even Hitler is an Austrian, if that ...
You literally call the BE countries "limitrophes"! In ru-propaganda, the Baltic countries are often called so! Yes, these are small countries in comparison with the Russian Federation, but it is not the size and size of the population that makes one country respected! You reproach the Poles for "the phantom pain of the people who have lost their empire", but absolutely such symptoms are observed in the Russian Federation today! Isn't it time to get away from these stamps? The future should not be confined to what separates us, but to what brings us together! I would like to see a completely different Europe! We have an example before our eyes - for centuries Western countries have been waging bloody wars among themselves, and now they are solving problems together!

[5-9]

The USSR simply moved Poland to the West, at the same time occupying the former Polish and German territories.

Here I do not agree ... we will not consider the territory of East Prussia - these are our graters with the Germans :))

And here is the seizure by Poland of the territories of Zap. Ukraine and Belarus in 1920, populated by Belarusians and Galicians, including former Austrian lands and even Kovno-Kaunas, previously not even part of the Kingdom of Poland, does not make these lands Polish at all .... this is not theirs.
And Stalin was absolutely not obliged either morally or legally to transfer the German lands with the Germans (whom the Poles had a little genocide and kicked out) and even on such a scale ... and even from future socialist Germany. His feet should be kissed for this and a 100-meter gilded monument should be placed ... but no ... Aussie (East Germans if it’s not clear) they don’t curse Stalin, the USSR was faithful to the end .. one word - the Germans ...
And, by the way, it’s not at all a fact that the Germans forgot about the land and about the reverse genocide ... the Poles would be silent in a rag and not troubling this topic ... but no ...

We don’t need about the countries of Western Europe and their unity, they just fell under the control of the international financial elite ... here the crisis grunts, there is nothing to eat, so we look at the solidarity of the EU ... the squabbles have already gone

[pytar]

Here I do not agree ... we will not consider the territory of East Prussia - these are our graters with the Germans :))

Well, even though looking at the map, Poland since 1945 really looks moved west! If we look at the maps, in fact, the current border of Poland with Germany, almost coincides with the border of the Kingdom of Poland 992-1025, under Boleslav I, even a part of the former GDR is included in it. In the meantime, Teshinskaya oblast was completely Polish. This is so ... note, because everyone will have historical arguments from one or another period.

And here is the seizure by Poland of the territories of Zap. Ukraine and Belarus in 1920, populated by Belarusians and Galicians, including former Austrian lands and even Kovno-Kaunas, previously not even part of the Kingdom of Poland, does not make these lands Polish at all .... this is not theirs.

Again, if we begin to return to what territory was whose, we find everything! These lands, inhabited mainly with Belarusians and Galicians, were transferred to Poland, to the Russian Empire, / USSR. Some were in Austria-Hungary. Now they are part of Belarus and Ukraine, which really responds to their ethnic composition. We can assume that finally justice won!

And Stalin was absolutely not obliged either morally or legally to transfer the German lands with the Germans (whom the Poles had a little genocide and kicked out) and even on such a scale ... and even from the future socialist Germany ....

Stalin was not obliged to anyone. And he always acted only out of interests! Statisticians are guided not from moral or legal categories, but from interests! Finding suitable moral, legal grounds to justify one or the other action is always possible.

And, by the way, it’s not at all a fact that the Germans forgot about the land and about the reverse genocide ... the Poles would be silent in a rag and not troubling this topic ... but no ...

Well, after 6 years of terrible occupation and use of 1/5 of the Polish population, the Poles are not justified, but you can understand! By the way, this is a topic between Germans and Poles, not ours. As for eventual German revenge, don't be fooled. For 75 years, their former warlikeness has disappeared. Their mentality has changed radically. Germany is one of the most powerful economies in the world, the Germans do not need a territory, and by investing, they own everything that they need. Moreover, one of the most important pre-supplies for expansion is missing - the demography of the German nation is catastrophic! It is in Germany itself more and more migrants, and native Germans lurk.

We don’t need about the countries of Western Europe and their unity, they just fell under the control of the international financial elite ... here the crisis grunts, there is nothing to eat, so we look at the solidarity of the EU ... the squabbles have already gone

European integration into the EU is a fact. For what reasons it was realized, one can argue. More importantly, this is the most successful voluntary association of European countries in history! Nobody forces anyone to go to the EU. Wiping is not a problem either. Of course, nothing costs static. Everything changes, nothing lasts forever! As the CMEA, the OVD and the USSR collapsed, the EU can also collapse! We will not guess, I personally do not want such a development. Like all the rules. people, I want peace and prosperity, my and all other countries!

[Vasyan1971]

Most historians who have carefully examined historical documents

Names, passwords, appearances?

[tatra]

Since anti-Soviet Perestroika, there is simply no diplomacy in Russia.

[north 2]

Russia is now catastrophically losing in the information war. And not only on the Western front of that information war, but also on the Eastern one, there is something on the information field in Russia itself, on the internal front, so to speak. If the money spent in Russia itself was creating thousands of films and TV shows about the life of today's rich and their whores, about the corrupt police in these series, about the partisans fighting during the war, not against the Germans, but against each other for that
who will get the beautiful radio operator, about the Red Army, where the main character for that and the hero that he won
Stalinist officer from the Special Division and not Field Marshals Hitler, if this money was created
true films about the role of Poland, Britain, France, America on the eve of the war and during the Second World War,
Poles would not find like-minded people today not so much in Europe as in Russia among local
liberalists. But if in Russia such truthful films were created, then they would have to
to refute that image of Stalin, which was created under Khrushchev, when Brezhnev forgot it,
and under the current liberals, Stalin interferes with dirt even more than they interfered with the USSR under Khrushchev and is even stronger than Stalin interferes with dirt today in the same in Poland or in the USA. So before shutting up the mouths of Polish falsifiers of history, Russia needs to learn how to wage an information war first of all in Russia itself, so that local liberals would not take the initiative in creating their soap operas and films that defame the USSR, the Red Army, the Soviet people, Stalin and USSR mission in the victory over fascist Germany.

[Mountain shooter]

The role of Poland in unleashing WWII is great ... so they are trying, from a bad mind to a healthy one!

[APASUS]

Normally, the coronavirus walked through the Polish Foreign Ministry, the memory completely disappeared!
They forgot how they divided Czechoslovakia with the Germans, and of course the Russians are to blame ..............

[K-50]

Poland does not agree with the position of Germany, which declared the German fascists sole responsibility for the outbreak of World War II.

I agree, there are still Poles who noted an attack on Czechoslovakia and its division, along with the Nazis.
Therefore, it is not correct to consider the beginning of WWII in September of the 39th year. It must be considered from October 1, 1938, from the moment of the presentation of the ultimatum of Germany to the Czechs and the support of its Poles.

[iouris]

All such publications only contribute to the consolidation of anti-Soviet (Goebbels) propaganda in the minds of modern bachelors - smartphone users.

[Yuri Mikhailovsky]

These always think like in a joke: "Everyone around is in shit, only they are in white" because Polish arrogance was born before them

[ILIA]

Poland asks lyuley))

[Captan78]

Polish diplomats have long had to be equated with British scientists

[Pavlik K.]

how tired of this "time", "decisively", "condemn", "vile Poles", etc.! Take an example from ov. It should be like this - "Shoigu turned to the president with a request about the possibility of military action against Poland in connection with this and that ..." And Lavrov immediately denied and left only diplomacy - that's it! Brazen, rude, rude! This is the only way with Europe and not otherwise. They know Suvorov, Nakhimov, Kutuzov, Zhukov! Oh, how they know !! But you will not admit, such is their nature. Crush nits ...

[Valter1364]

Once I already wrote about it. To the place to repeat. Once I was on a business trip in St. Petersburg. In my friend's office there is a huge map of the world on the wall. The Dane tells my friend that Poland is not happy with something. Alexei leans on the map, covering Poland with his palm, and asks: "Which Poland?"

[tolmachiev51]

"Bastard" !!! - They cannot forgive Putin.

[st2st]

And, besides how to shout in the comments, in the social. networks, and the angry rebuke of the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Masha Zakharova, can Russia answer the Polish panamas? It cannot, because the greatness of the RF is inflated. So, the States can, for example, send troops to any "gaf" in their direction, or search for oil, send troops to any country it does not like, or block financial flows. And, Russia, what can oppose the arrogant and presumptuous Poles? N-I-W-E-G-O ...

[Yaro Polk]

MRAIS!
You can ban moderators ...., well, if I'm wrong, the final one.

[5-9]

Palyaki, that's enough already, we have long understood that the next time we divide Poland, we will do so in such a way that there is no chance of this state appearing again, and there are no palyaks at all ... though we have such kindness the hand will not rise ... therefore it is necessary to give it to the Germans as a whole ... they know how to handle palyaki.

PS: Well, it’s the same hyena of Europe ... with the Germans they torn Czechoslovakia, it’s not the beginning of WWII, it’s not considered ...

[Al_lexx]

Torn off the tongue.)

[Al_lexx]

Hyena of Europe.
(c) Winston Churchill.

[Mikhail3]

Poland began World War II, tearing Czechoslovakia together with the Germans. Historical fact. True eyes prick ...

[Alex Justice]

in the absence of the adoption of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its secret protocol (...) the war would not have begun

Durkee included. Why then France and Britain did not declare war on the USSR, but only Germany?

[Wolf]

The culprit of the outbreak of World War II: Gavrilo Principle. He slammed the Occupant Ferdinand in the midst of the occupied Serbian Sarajevo. So their story describes the events.
The occupier will crash a holy cause, especially in their own land!

[jaroff]

Nuremberg has not been canceled yet. As well as the results of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences.