Hinshtein-Turchak bill: it is proposed to tighten punishment of officials for insulting citizens


In Russia, a bill has been introduced providing for the introduction of large fines for state and municipal employees for insulting citizens. The head This proposal was put forward by the vice-speaker of the Federation Council Andrei Turchak together with the head of the Committee on Information Policy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Alexander Khinshtein.


If the bill passes, rudeness against citizens will be an expensive "pleasure" for officials. If a civil servant is convicted of insulting citizens for the first time, he will pay a fine in the amount of 50 to 100 thousand rubles. Repeated such misconduct will cost him 150 thousand rubles.

In addition to fines, the Hinshtein-Turchak bill provides for other types of punishments, in particular, removal from the civil service for a certain period.

This document was developed on behalf of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The state leader believes that punishment for officials for insults should be stricter than for other categories of citizens.

Although in recent times cases of rudeness on the part of civil servants have become more frequent, the blatant incident with the head of Chuvashia, Mikhail Ignatiev, which forced the EMERCOM officer to bounce behind the keys to new official cars, finally filled the "cup of patience". A senior "comedian" was fired.
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  1. rotmistr60 13 May 2020 11: 17 New
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    proposed to tighten punishment of officials for insulting citizens
    It has long been necessary. And then some too snickering and bronzed completely sense of proportion lost. And, which is characteristic, such people are mostly young and early - all sorts of vice, deputies, assistants ... but they are already talking to the people through the lips and with a grimace of disgust.
    1. Insurgent 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      some too snickering and completely bronzed sense of measure lost


      Because not scared confident in their impunity.

      If a civil servant is convicted of insulting citizens for the first time, he will pay a fine in the amount of 50 to 100 thousand rubles. Repeated such misconduct will cost him 150 thousand rubles.


      Can punishment in rubles and take effect?
      1. Shurik70 13 May 2020 11: 51 New
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        And now ATTENTION QUESTION !!!
        What is considered an insult.
        Well, mate - I see. Only in front of television cameras is this VERY rare.
        But the famous "no money, but you hold on."
        Or from German Gref "I feel scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to rule the country."
        Is this an insult?
        And they will use it to their advantage. The law is that drawbar. Recently, a civil servant was dismissed on the pretext that "she congratulated the veterans by dressing too luxuriously."
        1. Insurgent 13 May 2020 11: 56 New
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          Quote: Shurik70
          Or from German Gref "I feel scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to rule the country."
          Is this an insult?


          No,specifically thisis not an insult, since Gref implicitly “posted” to the public the wild fear of “elites” about probable liability before a people-bearer of power ...
        2. Voyager 13 May 2020 12: 09 New
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          Quote: Shurik70
          Or from German Gref "I’m scared at the thought that people will be allowed to rule the country"

          And what is offensive in this?
          1. Shurik70 13 May 2020 12: 20 New
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            Quote: Voyager

            And what is offensive in this?

            "You offer terrible things. When people identify, it will be very difficult to manipulate them. People do not want to be manipulated when they have knowledge. To remove the veil from the eyes of millions and make them self-sufficient. How to manage them?"

            IT IS AN INSULT !!
            Herman Gref on Manipulation by the People.

            Purely heartfelt confession of the President of Sberbank German Gref about the Manipulation of the People.

            Submitted by Vedic World Tuesday, November 28, 2017
            1. Voyager 13 May 2020 12: 22 New
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              I do not see insults here. Argument.
              1. Shurik70 13 May 2020 12: 25 New
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                Quote: Voyager
                I do not see insults here. Argument.

                Forcing people to be fooled is not just an insult. It is a crime.
                The main asset of any country is people.
                And it is precisely to destroy the QUALITY of this resource that German Gref aims.
                1. Voyager 13 May 2020 12: 30 New
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                  So you confuse warm with soft. Firstly, this voiced aloud is only an opinion, not a statement of action. Secondly, there is no causal link between the insult (which is still not here) and the “fooling” of the population.

                  Gref said nothing new and beyond. In this case, even nothing but the truth. Any government of any country is engaged in the manipulation of the population in their own interests.
                  1. Terenin 13 May 2020 16: 53 New
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                    Quote: Voyager
                    So you confuse warm with soft. Firstly, it is an opinion voiced out loud, but not a statement of action

                    Yes, everything is simpler. Gref is not a civil servant, which means that he is the subject of the proposed norm (Sberbank is a commercial company).
                    Now, if he said this as the Minister of Economic Development and Trade, then at this rate he can be done ... kirdyk crying
        3. kjhg 13 May 2020 12: 20 New
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          Quote: Shurik70
          And now ATTENTION QUESTION !!!
          What is considered an insult.
          Well, mate - I see. Only in front of television cameras is this VERY rare.
          But the famous "no money, but you hold on."
          Or from German Gref "I feel scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to rule the country."
          Is this an insult?

          The penalty for insulting is certainly good and right. I want to draw attention not so much to words, but to their actions. What is more important for us, for the people, in the severity of the consequences? What did some small official out there say, or, as he correctly and respectfully expounded his speech, addressing them: dear ones, my relatives, etc., by his decisions, this leader openly scoffs at the people? As you probably understood, I mean, first of all, the first person of the state and its entourage. Calling the Governor a small husk is of course offensive, but not comparable to the deprivation of pension savings for five years.
          1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 07 New
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            Quote: kjhg
            As you probably understood,

            We realized that Ryzhym again fusses !!! wink laughing
        4. knn54 13 May 2020 13: 00 New
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          "The rigor of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-bindingness of their implementation."
          M.E Saltykov-Shchedrin.
        5. Cruorvult 13 May 2020 13: 09 New
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          Ahahaha. Yes, everything is simple here, it was an economic forum that Gref led, and he read and asked his questions, including this one. But the video was cut and fed the fools who carried it to the mass.

          Here is a review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFYLYBXrsI&feature=emb_logo
          1. Private-K 14 May 2020 08: 39 New
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            Do not advocate the devil.
            1. Cruorvult 14 May 2020 14: 26 New
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              "Don't advocate the devil."

              You don’t just have to lie and spread lies, to be able to understand how the author of the channel did it. Well, a man must be able to admit that he was wrong.
      2. Evdokim 13 May 2020 11: 55 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Can punishment in rubles and take effect?

        Based on the fact that now the state is not attracted to prisoners to build different canals, to cut wood, and so on, and the imprisonment of officials does not entail the deprivation of property acquired in a comfortable armchair, I clean it up, I think the exorbitant fines for them have a future, since they beat me on my own beloved, intimate, so to speak sacred place - by moshna, money-box, wallet, etc. etc. hi
      3. 210ox 13 May 2020 12: 46 New
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        You can not insult anyone. But I agree, there’s just a sense of impunity. And here we’re hacking, and on community service, from demonstrations of video to potential offenders. Maybe they will follow the language. However, there are doubts.
      4. awdrgy 13 May 2020 12: 59 New
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        I don’t know the ruble but the “red rooster” and the pitchfork
      5. Charik 17 May 2020 15: 31 New
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        hahaha-ruble, but they will also adopt laws by which they will fight with us more
    2. Cyril G ... 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
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      Totally agree. The shriveled, bronzirovanny "new noblemen" of coasts simply do not smell
    3. svp67 13 May 2020 11: 31 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      It has long been necessary.

      We’ll see what will happen next with this legislative initiative, although, as the President suggested, I’m sure that they will accept him and they will talk about it “from every iron”. But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...
      "MOSCOW, May 13. / TASS /. The Government of the Russian Federation introduced a bill to the State Duma that allows policemen to open cars in case of a life threat and to cordon off living quarters, buildings and other objects. The document was published on Wednesday in the Duma’s electronic database.

      "The police, in order to save citizens whose lives and health are in danger <...>, are vested with the right to autopsy a vehicle," the explanatory note says. Police will also be able to open the car to ensure public safety in riots and emergencies, with the threat of terrorist attacks, to detain persons suspected or accused of committing a crime, to stop the crime and for several other reasons.

      In addition, the bill establishes the right of the police to cordon off (block) territories, residential premises, buildings and other facilities. Currently, the law "On Police" spells out the right of employees to block sections of the terrain. Within the boundaries of the cordon, the police will be able to conduct a personal inspection of citizens, their belongings, inspection of vehicles and transported goods. "
      1. Kalmar 13 May 2020 11: 39 New
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        Quote: svp67
        But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...

        And now the intrigue: which of these bills will be used more often? )))

        Seriously, the bill is certainly good. But an appropriate enforcement practice would be even better so that wagging in the spirit of “it was not an insult, but a personal judgment” or “insulted as a private person and not as a civil servant”, etc.
        1. rich 13 May 2020 12: 12 New
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          In addition to fines, the Hinshtein-Turchak bill provides for other types of punishments, in particular, removal from the civil service for a certain period.

          And why on a certain? In my opinion, a "servant of the people" who insulted citizens has no right to be a "servant" anymore
      2. alone 13 May 2020 12: 28 New
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        But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...

        I wonder how the police find out whether this machine is a threat to citizens or not.
        It would not have happened that any machine would be the subject of an autopsy only because fear has large eyes.
        1. 210ox 13 May 2020 12: 54 New
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          By the way, I talked about this with a policeman neighbor. Well, according to him, after such actions it is still necessary to explain to the leadership. And if everything is clean with this machine, then problems will be ensured. If in doubt, the stupid person will open the car. But if there is resistance, a clear crime, then yes, we will open it. These are his words. Only this is what I think. The criminals try to leave the vehicle faster and only darned, drunks or majors of both sexes close in them. Well, in principle, that's what they need.
        2. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 13 New
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          Quote: lonely
          It would not have happened that any machine would be the subject of an autopsy only because fear has large eyes.

          how many cars in Russia and how many policemen on earth ?? !!! and they have nothing more to do, how can everyone quit all their work and go open all the cars !!! fool write any nonsense, just to throw it on the fan !!! negative
          PS ... you yourself will be the first to start ringing and hysteria to the police to open a suspicious car near your house !!! lol
          1. alone 13 May 2020 17: 17 New
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            write any nonsense, just to throw it on the fan !!!

            Do not like it, do not read, Mr. Wiseest !! Maybe you also need permission to ask what is there to write and what is not?
            1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 29 New
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              Quote: lonely
              Do not like it, do not read,

              Well, do not write, so that nonsense does not have to be read !!! wassat
              1. alone 13 May 2020 17: 44 New
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                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Well, do not write, so that nonsense does not have to be read !!!

                But it’s not your business to write to me here or not .. Maybe it’s nonsense for YOU, for others it’s not nonsense .. To open frequent property without court authorization is nonsense !! And you I see for this nonsense
                1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 18: 07 New
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                  Quote: lonely
                  Uncovering private property without court authorization - this is nonsense !!

                  let's see how you sing when the policeman tells you this, seeing that you are being killed in your car !!! wink
                  1. alone 13 May 2020 18: 19 New
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                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    let's see how you sing when the policeman tells you this, seeing that you are being killed in your car !!!

                    Wait and see...
                    1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 18: 30 New
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                      Quote: lonely
                      Quote: Nikolai Grek
                      let's see how you sing when the policeman tells you this, seeing that you are being killed in your car !!!

                      Wait and see...

                      That's it ... then you yourself will ask for even more police powers to be protected !!! laughing
                      1. alone 13 May 2020 18: 32 New
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                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        you yourself will then ask for even more police powers to be protected !!!

                        Don’t worry about me ...
      3. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 10 New
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        But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...

        and what scares you of this ??? !!! what the fact that the police under the law can kill a "man" is the norm, and opening the car is a real disaster ??? !!! wassat
    4. Civil 13 May 2020 11: 36 New
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      From now we will live) will now silently work
      1. Kalmar 13 May 2020 11: 54 New
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        Quote: Civil
        From now we will live) will now silently work

      2. Polite Moose 13 May 2020 16: 17 New
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        Quote: Civil
        From now we will live) will now silently work

        Now, every more or less high-ranking c-sa will have representatives in public relations with radiant smiles, impenetrable good-naturedness and inexhaustible optimism.
    5. NEXUS 13 May 2020 14: 20 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      It has long been necessary. And then some too snickering and bronzed completely sense of proportion lost.

      Take a look at one of the managers of Russia ... and especially at his reasoning.

      That is, the population is a servile that must be controlled, and in every possible way “protected” from knowledge and freedom!
    6. Siberian 14 May 2020 10: 35 New
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      Long? Yes, last year, when these very popular leaders extended, led by the EP, laws on protecting themselves from people who are not beloved, laws on mirroring people against them were introduced, but failed. The Constitutional Court concluded that there are enough laws and so everything is good there. Now what has changed? Some of them have been canceled, but now they grabbed and decided to re-legitimize? Or is the election soon? need to lie on something? Is it louder to declare about yourself?
  2. KVU-NSVD 13 May 2020 11: 17 New
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    Totally agree . The bureaucrats often can’t see the edges. In addition to fines - a lifelong ban on working in managerial government agencies.
  3. tanki-tanki 13 May 2020 11: 18 New
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    If the bill passes, rudeness against citizens will be an expensive "pleasure" for officials

    Well and good.
    1. major147 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
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      Quote: tanki-tanki
      If the bill passes, rudeness against citizens will be an expensive "pleasure" for officials

      Well and good.

      But in general, does it make sense to keep in the service of the people a "servant" who is rude to those whom he should serve?
      1. tanki-tanki 13 May 2020 11: 40 New
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        Well, actually yes.
      2. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 18 New
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        Quote: major147
        Quote: tanki-tanki
        If the bill passes, rudeness against citizens will be an expensive "pleasure" for officials

        Well and good.

        But in general, does it make sense to keep in the service of the people a "servant" who is rude to those whom he should serve?

        from Mars or something polite to write out ?? !!! laughing
        1. major147 13 May 2020 21: 05 New
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          from Mars or something polite to write out ?? !!!

          No! Train your "servants"!
          1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 20 New
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            Quote: major147
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            from Mars or something polite to write out ?? !!!

            No! Train your "servants"!

            for this you need to have a polite population !! wink laughing
            1. major147 13 May 2020 21: 21 New
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              for this you need to have a polite population !!

              Even on Mars this is not request
              1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 39 New
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                Quote: major147
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                for this you need to have a polite population !!

                Even on Mars this is not request

                well, like this!!! laughing and you suggested a method much less realistic than mine !!! wassat
  4. AUL
    AUL 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
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    The question is how to prove this rudeness, and to whom to complain? To talk with an official only on video? The idea is good, but to implement it, IMHO, will be very problematic.
    1. Cyril G ... 13 May 2020 11: 25 New
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      At least in audio. And it is advisable to communicate in writing with the sending of copies to the authorities. Let them say your pshlivsen on paper ...
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        Quote: Cyril G ...
        At least in audio

        Digital does not accept court, but you will not find magnetic ones.
  5. Mavrikiy 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
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    The leader of the state believes that the punishment for officials for insults should be stricter than for other categories of citizens.
    Common sense, good to see.
  6. major147 13 May 2020 11: 20 New
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    In a timely manner! The nonsense of our snickering "servants" is sometimes rushing serious. It seems that they, living in their world, fenced off from the people, do not have time to change their settings and continue to use their narrow-cell vocabulary when communicating with the people.
  7. Cowbra 13 May 2020 11: 21 New
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    It is high time. A cop or a doctor for rudeness - they will dismiss without a second word. And an employee of some zanyuhanoy district council can easily laugh in my face and send me to the place where you can’t get off the kraly night and on the darkest night ...
  8. prior 13 May 2020 11: 22 New
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    Humane need to be for officials.
    Just assign them a salary at the minimum wage.
    1. Sergey Zhikharev 13 May 2020 12: 37 New
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      A colleague is a real sadism.
      Such a terrible punishment will not go.
      Or it turns out that the minimum wage is the maximum wage.
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      Just assign them a salary at the minimum wage.

      Well, think about it once without a glass of cognac will remain. At least add to it, at least reduce, at least fine compensate from our pocket. The most terrible deprivation of any position for life and confiscation from all relatives.
      1. prior 13 May 2020 13: 19 New
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        This was not a fine in the amount of the minimum wage, but a salary the size of the minimum wage.
        The more terrible thing for an official is not dismissal, but appointment: for example, a “snitch” or a “hairdresser” (chopper). It is possible both for life and with confiscation. I am kind.
  9. alone 13 May 2020 11: 24 New
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    Insulting a person is a criminal offense .. It’s better for me to plant them with the confiscation of the acquired good .. And then snickering to impossibility
    1. major147 13 May 2020 11: 45 New
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      Insulting a person is a criminal offense .. It’s better for me to plant them with the confiscation of the acquired good .. And then snickering to impossibility

      I fully support good
    2. your1970 13 May 2020 15: 09 New
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      Quote: lonely
      Insulting a person is a criminal offense .. It’s better for me to plant them with the confiscation of the acquired good .. And then snickering to impossibility

      Gold words!! I fully support !!!! But what about the other side, with citizens ??
      Two citizens came to me last week. Especially noted, the first time, there were no unsubscribes and messages before ..
      Of the censorship were- last name, "you" and "on" ....
      Plant them "with the confiscation of the acquired good" ??? !!! I am for! And you?

      Zs salaries of girls of secretaries 1-2 categories 10 000 after income. They apparently deserve to listen to the area abuse at work for such a salary ... Yes ??? [b] [/ b]

      And yet, now Rosreestr does not register transactions in our area. And it begins to reach the people- that WITHOUT “damned bureaucrats” is sometimes bad
      1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 21 New
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        Quote: your1970
        But what about the other side, with citizens ??

        including with local pseudo-communists !!! wink laughing
      2. alone 13 May 2020 18: 58 New
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        I am for! And you?

        Completely .. The law should be the same for everyone ...
        1. your1970 13 May 2020 20: 45 New
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          So the trick is that punishment is imposed for strictly defined groups of persons
          And judging by the comments, people like
  10. Slavs 13 May 2020 11: 27 New
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    The punishment should be one - removal from the civil service, without the right to recovery ..
    Everything else is cunning, they have enough money for rudeness.
  11. Pvi1206 13 May 2020 11: 31 New
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    not fine, but drive a filthy broom from the authorities ...
    1. tanki-tanki 13 May 2020 11: 41 New
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      And soon.
    2. major147 13 May 2020 11: 47 New
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      Quote: Pvi1206
      not fine, but drive a filthy broom from the authorities ...

      Let me fix you hi - fine и to drive a filthy broom from the authorities ... Money will not be superfluous, but they will not become much poorer.
    3. Pvi1206 13 May 2020 12: 37 New
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      and it is necessary to fine those who appoint boors to officials ...
  12. pmkemcity 13 May 2020 11: 35 New
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    Hinshtein-Turchak bill provides for other types of punishments, in particular, suspension from public service for a certain period.

    Before paying an advance for a new fine?
  13. paul3390 13 May 2020 11: 36 New
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    Why don’t you all like it? The normal behavior of the feudal lord in a neo-feudal country .. And how else to the servant of the sovereign to communicate with any cattle? But they don’t behave like that on purpose, it’s rushing from the depths of the soul. And you won’t fix it with any fines - they still won’t change their attitude to stinks! It is not a matter of people, but of a social formation. Feudalism with a human face does not happen in principle. If you want people to hold you, return Soviet power. Otherwise, just like that.
  14. Forest 13 May 2020 11: 37 New
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    Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.
    1. Galleon 13 May 2020 12: 25 New
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      Quote: Forest
      Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

      Here's the point of the comment. If now an unofficial official receives a black mark and is expelled from the cohort of those in order to quench the indignation of people, now he will pay a fifty dollars and will continue to prosper - because "by law." And how many cases will come to our high fair trial, and in how many cases does Aunt Faya condemn Uncle Izyu?
      This is a law on saving officials, and not on caring for their "moral form."
    2. Terenin 13 May 2020 17: 02 New
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      Quote: Forest
      Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

      That's right, you decrypted Hinshtein's message yes
      1. A good one 13 May 2020 20: 41 New
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        yes Indeed, an interesting movie, or maybe a series, or better, as in short films. Fewer frames have more to do, and thoughts on affairs do not diverge so quickly. hi
        1. Terenin 13 May 2020 23: 56 New
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          Quote: Not bad
          yes Indeed, an interesting movie, or maybe a series, or better, as in short films. Fewer frames have more to do, and thoughts on affairs do not diverge so quickly. hi

          Greetings Viktrych hi
          Yes, everything is simpler, I do not like this record holder for the title of "Honorary Citizen" no . He still has to pay fines for - jokes on the Internet.
    3. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 23 New
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      Quote: Forest
      Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

      then you are wrong, this is not right for you !!! laughing
      1. Sector 13 May 2020 17: 29 New
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        Quote: Forest
        Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

        then you are wrong, this is not right for you !!! laughing

        Such is their essence as neolibers .. Even if Russia fall apart under their whining and help .. They all will also whine from Canada and the USA, etc. We warned and you ruined the country .. But it was good))))
        Recall Solzhenitsyn .. And especially his photo staged with a number in a quilted jacket .. His Jewish wife admitted that the photo was taken on purpose ..
        1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 37 New
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          Such is their essence as neolibers ..

          the fact is that these under the communists mow !! wink wassat
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            Quote: Sektor
            Such is their essence as neolibers ..

            the fact is that these under the communists mow !! wink wassat

            And terrible patriots .. Nose keep the bastards in the wind!
            Many in flight changed their shoes into "red trousers" and again teach us life, the people of Russia .. negative
            This is because a layer of such formed, which under any power creep and lick ..
            What to do with them, here's the question? And how to get rid of them ..?
            1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 16 New
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              Quote: Sektor
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: Sektor
              Such is their essence as neolibers ..

              the fact is that these under the communists mow !! wink wassat

              And terrible patriots .. Nose keep the bastards in the wind!
              Many in flight changed their shoes into "red trousers" and again teach us life, the people of Russia .. negative
              This is because a layer of such formed, which under any power creep and lick ..
              What to do with them, here's the question? And how to get rid of them ..?

              the whole problem is that not so long ago they quite normally got along well with RYZHYM !!! request laughing
  15. Mountain shooter 13 May 2020 11: 45 New
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    At least they’ll think before opening their mouths. There are voice recorders in every phone. Well, how does a citizen turn on the recorder? laughing
  16. Gardamir 13 May 2020 11: 56 New
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    In addition to the “Chuvash,” the governors offered to shoot people. Yes, and many other "funny" wishes from officials.
  17. 16112014nk 13 May 2020 12: 26 New
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    probable liability to the people-bearers of power ...

    Churchill also spoke about this:

    Our authorities act exactly the opposite.
    1. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 25 New
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      Quote: 16112014nk
      Churchill also spoke about this:

      and why did he say that ?? what Itself fell under this ?? !! laughing
      1. 16112014nk 13 May 2020 19: 47 New
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        I mean, among our officials, with rare exceptions, irresponsibility and impunity + professional unsuitability and incompetence are widespread. And the price is paid by the people. By their actions they do more harm than good. With IVS, if this happened, they would work in padded jackets in the fresh air. And now we are just tolerantly transplanting from place to place.
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          Quote: 16112014nk
          And the price is paid by the people. By their actions they do more harm than good. With IVS, if this happened, they would work in padded jackets in the fresh air. And now we are just tolerantly transplanting from place to place

          There was a general Zhigarev. War ....
          Golovanov describes how Zhigarev in EYES lied to Stalin, in the eye !!!! And with witnesses !!! His lies were exposed at witnesses.,
          Zhigarev instead of quilted jackets / penal battalion / bullet, instead of the front he left to command aviation in the Far East. In the same rank ....
          After the war, he grew strongly career
          Once again - the war, Zhigarev Stalin lies to EYES about the presence of combat aircraft ....
          Quote: 16112014nk
          just tolerantly transplant from place to place.

          This is exactly what happened with Zhigarev
          1. 16112014nk 13 May 2020 22: 36 New
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            In the same rank ..

            Scoundrel! - with an expression of deepest contempt Stalin said and lowered his hand. - Out!
            Pavel Zhigarev in April 1942 removed from the post of commander of the Air Force of the Red Army and appointed commander of the Air Force of the rear Far Eastern Front.

            From the book of A. E. Golovanov "Long-range bomber"
            Well, no matter how tolerant. And vice versa.
            1. your1970 14 May 2020 12: 25 New
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              Gosha- "not tolerant" !!!!!!
              1) did not fly on a jet thrust towards the front as an ordinary in a penal battalion, but remained GENERAL!!!
              2) departed from a hot place where it was specifically burned - you can even say a pre-war post to a quiet, calm one. Airplanes are not shot down, there are no bombings .... personnel training and the American airplanes .... Lafa after Moscow and the bombing .... .
              3) He would certainly have survived, even if Moscow had fallen and the USSR lost the war. The Wehrmacht would not have reached the Far East even in the glitches of a drug addict .... it was quite obvious in 1942- but our Victory was still a big question ..

              Z.y.na my character - he would have been shot right there for deceiving the commander in chief and not receiving the Air Force 702 aircraft in the conditions of severe time pressure or as an ordinary infantry to the front.
        2. Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 24 New
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          I mean

          and here it is not necessary to that ... bring an expression of a dubious character at least in moral terms !! negative immoral person to teach someone moral ... are you kidding me ?? !!! wassat laughing
  18. Fevralsk. Morev 13 May 2020 12: 37 New
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    Recall winged expressions - the state did not ask you to give birth;
    -no money, but you hold on;
    - I ask you to treat this with understanding;
    - macaroni everywhere are the same;
    - Lived and did not whine. The criterion of insulting the people is not words, but actions. The life of the majority of the people in poverty in a country rich in resources is an insult.
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    Fine 150000 rubles? Is this a joke? Some bureaucrats can afford to slander an article twice a day without much damage to their family budget. And it is necessary to beat off the fines - with whom and by what methods, I suppose, everyone has already guessed. Here you can’t do without confiscation. Moreover, go through all the relatives and to the third knee. And then everyone became smart, - the official is officially half-dressed, and his wives and children do not have enough lines in the tax return forms. All Mercedes with cottages do not fit.
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    The question is who will be the plaintiff, investigator, expert and judge?
  21. Mikhail3 13 May 2020 12: 52 New
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    Our officials spend more on lunch. The treasury provides them with such opportunities.
  22. fa2998 13 May 2020 12: 57 New
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    Can punishment in rubles and take effect?

    As long as they don’t “beat off” their money, they won’t calm down (they don’t punish corruption for us). It’s better not to persecute, with a ban on holding such posts. I think the idea of ​​being driven away from the feeder is more effective. good hi
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    Totally agree . The bureaucrats often can’t see the edges.

    Outright rudeness (especially in the civil service), grows out of a feeling of complete impunity. A good reason for law enforcement agencies to peruse the entire bureaucratic food chain.
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      A good reason for law enforcement

      Exactly: they only need a reason.
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    The Communist Party has already put forward such a law, Edros hacked off, they said - irrelevant. Now they themselves make it, by the way, halving the fines from that first, but I also think that with some Jesuit hooks they will surely distort the meaning - it will be possible to punish either those from non-parliamentary parties, or non-partisan, or communists, at worst - the citizens themselves ( but why can they also insult citizens), but not the "best people of the new millennium" ...
    No, guys, we won’t give you a machine gun: EP must fail even for retirement, we see the results of the medical reform, help with a bottle, the budget has been revised twice in the last 5 months.
    If after all this they again win the State Duma - I will offensively think about the electorate, and nothing can be done about it. Interestingly - for the "thoughts" will also introduce a fine?
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    It is only somewhere high in the mountains ... not in our area.
    If this happens in some places at times, then there is a press service.
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    some too snickering and completely bronzed sense of measure lost


    Because not scared confident in their impunity.

    If a civil servant is convicted of insulting citizens for the first time, he will pay a fine in the amount of 50 to 100 thousand rubles. Repeated such misconduct will cost him 150 thousand rubles.


    Can punishment in rubles and take effect?

    They will steal more so that fines are recaptured.
  27. lis-ik 13 May 2020 17: 09 New
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    I'm afraid it will be like the notorious law on weapons. Very streamlined and very flexible. Those. really like a drawbar.
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    For some fans, show who in. It was not bad for the master to introduce corporal punishment, for example, rods
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    And for me it’s like that - a civil servant insulted his citizens - it is proved in court - to oust him from work with a “wolf ticket” am