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Hinshtein-Turchak bill: it is proposed to tighten punishment of officials for insulting citizens

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In Russia, a bill has been introduced providing for the introduction of large fines for state and municipal employees for insulting citizens. The head This proposal was put forward by the vice-speaker of the Federation Council Andrei Turchak together with the head of the Committee on Information Policy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Alexander Khinshtein.


If the bill passes, rudeness against citizens will be an expensive "pleasure" for officials. If a civil servant is convicted of insulting citizens for the first time, he will pay a fine in the amount of 50 to 100 thousand rubles. Repeated such misconduct will cost him 150 thousand rubles.

In addition to fines, the Hinshtein-Turchak bill provides for other types of punishments, in particular, removal from the civil service for a certain period.

This document was developed on behalf of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The state leader believes that punishment for officials for insults should be stricter than for other categories of citizens.

Although in recent times cases of rudeness on the part of civil servants have become more frequent, the blatant incident with the head of Chuvashia, Mikhail Ignatiev, which forced the EMERCOM officer to bounce behind the keys to new official cars, finally filled the "cup of patience". A senior "comedian" was fired.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 May 2020 11: 17 New
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    proposed to tighten punishment of officials for insulting citizens
    It has long been necessary. And then some too snickering and bronzed completely sense of proportion lost. And, which is characteristic, such people are mostly young and early - all sorts of vice, deputies, assistants ... but they are already talking to the people through the lips and with a grimace of disgust.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
      15
      Quote: rotmistr60
      some too snickering and completely bronzed sense of measure lost


      Because not scared confident in their impunity.

      If a civil servant is convicted of insulting citizens for the first time, he will pay a fine in the amount of 50 to 100 thousand rubles. Repeated such misconduct will cost him 150 thousand rubles.


      Can punishment in rubles and take effect?
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 13 May 2020 11: 51 New
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        And now ATTENTION QUESTION !!!
        What is considered an insult.
        Well, mate - I see. Only in front of television cameras is this VERY rare.
        But the famous "no money, but you hold on."
        Or from German Gref "I get scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to govern the country."
        Is this an insult?
        Otherwise they will use it to their advantage. The law is that tongue. Recently, a civil servant was fired under the pretext that "she was congratulating the veterans by dressing too luxuriously."
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 May 2020 11: 56 New
          +8
          Quote: Shurik70
          Or from German Gref "I get scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to govern the country."
          Is this an insult?


          No,specifically this, is not an insult, since Gref latently "laid out" the wild fear of the "elites" about probable liability before a people-bearer of power ...
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 13 May 2020 12: 09 New
          -6
          Quote: Shurik70
          Or from German Gref "I get scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to govern the country"

          And what is offensive in this?
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 13 May 2020 12: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Voyager

            And what is offensive in this?

            "You offer terrible things. When people identify themselves, it will be very difficult to manipulate them. People do not want to be manipulated when they have knowledge. Remove the veil from the eyes of millions and make them self-sufficient. How to manage them?"

            IT IS AN INSULT !!
            Herman Gref on Manipulation by the People.

            Purely heartfelt confession of the President of Sberbank German Gref about the Manipulation of the People.

            Submitted by Vedic World Tuesday, November 28, 2017
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 13 May 2020 12: 22 New
              -4
              I do not see insults here. Argument.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 13 May 2020 12: 25 New
                +8
                Quote: Voyager
                I do not see insults here. Argument.

                Forcing people to be fooled is not just an insult. It is a crime.
                The main asset of any country is people.
                And it is precisely to destroy the QUALITY of this resource that German Gref aims.
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 13 May 2020 12: 30 New
                  0
                  This is how you confuse warm with soft. Firstly, this is just an opinion voiced aloud, and not a statement of action. Secondly, there is no causal relationship between the insult (which is still not here) and “fooling” the population.

                  Gref said nothing new and beyond. In this case, even nothing but the truth. Any government of any country is engaged in the manipulation of the population in their own interests.
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 13 May 2020 16: 53 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Voyager
                    So you confuse warm with soft. Firstly, it is an opinion voiced out loud, but not a statement of action

                    Yes, everything is simpler. Gref is not a civil servant, which means that he is the subject of the proposed norm (Sberbank is a commercial company).
                    Now, if he said this as the Minister of Economic Development and Trade, then at this rate he can be done ... kirdyk crying
        3. kjhg
          kjhg 13 May 2020 12: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: Shurik70
          And now ATTENTION QUESTION !!!
          What is considered an insult.
          Well, mate - I see. Only in front of television cameras is this VERY rare.
          But the famous "no money, but you hold on."
          Or from German Gref "I get scared at the thought that the people will be allowed to govern the country."
          Is this an insult?

          The penalty for insulting is certainly good and right. I want to draw attention not so much to words, but to their actions. What is more important for us, for the people, in the severity of the consequences? What did some small official out there say, or, as he correctly and respectfully expounded his speech, addressing them: dear ones, my relatives, etc., by his decisions, this leader openly scoffs at the people? As you probably understood, I mean, first of all, the first person of the state and its entourage. Calling the Governor a small husk is of course offensive, but not comparable to the deprivation of pension savings for five years.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: kjhg
            As you probably understood,

            We realized that Ryzhym again fusses !!! wink laughing
        4. knn54
          knn54 13 May 2020 13: 00 New
          0
          "The severity of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation."
          M.E Saltykov-Shchedrin.
        5. Cruorvult
          Cruorvult 13 May 2020 13: 09 New
          -1
          Ahahaha. Yes, everything is simple here, it was an economic forum that Gref led, and he read and asked his questions, including this one. But the video was cut and fed the fools who carried it to the mass.

          Here is a review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFYLYBXrsI&feature=emb_logo
          1. Private-K
            Private-K 14 May 2020 08: 39 New
            0
            Do not advocate the devil.
            1. Cruorvult
              Cruorvult 14 May 2020 14: 26 New
              0
              "Don't advocate the devil."

              You don’t just have to lie and spread lies, to be able to understand how the author of the channel did it. Well, a man must be able to admit that he was wrong.
      2. Evdokim
        Evdokim 13 May 2020 11: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Can punishment in rubles and take effect?

        Based on the fact that now the state is not attracted to prisoners to build different canals, to cut wood, and so on, and the imprisonment of officials does not entail the deprivation of property acquired in a comfortable armchair, I clean it up, I think the exorbitant fines for them have a future, since they beat me on my own beloved, intimate, so to speak sacred place - by moshna, money-box, wallet, etc. etc. hi
      3. 210ox
        210ox 13 May 2020 12: 46 New
        +1
        You can not insult anyone. But I agree, there’s just a sense of impunity. And here we’re hacking, and on community service, from demonstrations of video to potential offenders. Maybe they will follow the language. However, there are doubts.
      4. awdrgy
        awdrgy 13 May 2020 12: 59 New
        -1
        I don’t know with a ruble, but a “red rooster” and a pitchfork - exactly
      5. Charik
        Charik 17 May 2020 15: 31 New
        0
        hahaha-ruble, but they will also adopt laws by which they will fight with us more
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +4
      Totally agree. Fucking, bronzed "new nobles" of the shores simply do not smell
    3. svp67
      svp67 13 May 2020 11: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It has long been necessary.

      Let's see what will happen next with this legislative initiative, although, once the President proposed, I am sure that he will be accepted and will be told about it "from every iron." But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of police officers to open cars and ...
      "MOSCOW, May 13. / TASS /. The Russian government submitted to the State Duma a bill that allows police officers to open cars in case of a threat to people's lives and cordon off living quarters, buildings and other objects. The document was published on Wednesday in the Duma's electronic database.

      "In order to save citizens whose life and health are in danger <...>, the police are given the right to open a vehicle," the explanatory note says. Also, the police will be able to open the car to ensure public safety during riots and emergencies, with the threat of a terrorist attack, to detain persons suspected or accused of committing a crime, to suppress a crime and for a number of other reasons.

      In addition, the bill enshrines the right of the police to cordon off (blockade) territories, residential premises, buildings and other objects. Currently, the law "On the Police" stipulates the right of employees to block parts of the terrain. Within the boundaries of the cordon, the police will be able to carry out a personal inspection of citizens, things they have with them, inspection of vehicles and transported goods. "
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 13 May 2020 11: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...

        And now the intrigue: which of these bills will be used more often? )))

        Seriously though, the bill is definitely a good thing. But the appropriate practice of law enforcement would be even better, so that later wagging in the spirit of "it was not an insult, but a personal judgment" or "insulted as a private person, and not as a civil servant", etc. would not begin later.
        1. cost
          cost 13 May 2020 12: 12 New
          +7
          In addition to fines, the Hinshtein-Turchak bill provides for other types of punishments, in particular, removal from the civil service for a certain period.

          Why a certain one? In my opinion, a "servant of the people" who insulted citizens has no right to be a "servant" anymore
      2. alone
        alone 13 May 2020 12: 28 New
        -3
        Quote: svp67
        But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...

        I wonder how the police find out whether this machine is a threat to citizens or not.
        It would not have happened that any machine would be the subject of an autopsy only because fear has large eyes.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 13 May 2020 12: 54 New
          +4
          By the way, I talked about this with a policeman neighbor. Well, according to him, after such actions it is still necessary to explain to the leadership. And if everything is clean with this machine, then problems will be ensured. If in doubt, the stupid person will open the car. But if there is resistance, a clear crime, then yes, we will open it. These are his words. Only this is what I think. The criminals try to leave the vehicle faster and only darned, drunks or majors of both sexes close in them. Well, in principle, that's what they need.
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          It would not have happened that any machine would be the subject of an autopsy only because fear has large eyes.

          how many cars in Russia and how many policemen on earth ?? !!! and they have nothing more to do, how can everyone quit all their work and go open all the cars !!! fool write any nonsense, just to throw it on the fan !!! negative
          PS ... you yourself will be the first to start ringing and hysteria to the police to open a suspicious car near your house !!! lol
          1. alone
            alone 13 May 2020 17: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            write any nonsense, just to throw it on the fan !!!

            Do not like it, do not read, Mr. Wiseest !! Maybe you also need permission to ask what is there to write and what is not?
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 29 New
              +3
              Quote: lonely
              Do not like it, do not read,

              Well, do not write, so that nonsense does not have to be read !!! wassat
              1. alone
                alone 13 May 2020 17: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                Well, do not write, so that nonsense does not have to be read !!!

                But it’s not your business to write to me here or not .. Maybe it’s nonsense for YOU, for others it’s not nonsense .. To open frequent property without court authorization is nonsense !! And you I see for this nonsense
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 18: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: lonely
                  Uncovering private property without court authorization - this is nonsense !!

                  let's see how you sing when the policeman tells you this, seeing that you are being killed in your car !!! wink
                  1. alone
                    alone 13 May 2020 18: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    let's see how you sing when the policeman tells you this, seeing that you are being killed in your car !!!

                    Wait and see...
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 18: 30 New
                      +3
                      Quote: lonely
                      Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                      let's see how you sing when the policeman tells you this, seeing that you are being killed in your car !!!

                      Wait and see...

                      That's it ... then you yourself will ask for even more police powers to be protected !!! laughing
                      1. alone
                        alone 13 May 2020 18: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        you yourself will then ask for even more police powers to be protected !!!

                        Don’t worry about me ...
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        But at the same time, the Government introduced a bill on the right of policemen to open cars and ...

        and what scares you of this ??? !!! what the fact that the police can kill a "person" by law is normal, but opening a car is a real disaster ??? !!! wassat
    4. Civil
      Civil 13 May 2020 11: 36 New
      0
      From now we will live) will now silently work
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 13 May 2020 11: 54 New
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        From now we will live) will now silently work

      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 13 May 2020 16: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        From now we will live) will now silently work

        Now, every more or less high-ranking c-sa will have representatives in public relations with radiant smiles, impenetrable good-naturedness and inexhaustible optimism.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 13 May 2020 14: 20 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It has long been necessary. And then some too snickering and bronzed completely sense of proportion lost.

      Take a look at one of the managers of Russia ... and especially at his reasoning.

      That is, the population is the servants who must be managed, and in every possible way "protected" from knowledge and freedom! Is it normal? He also dragged in the teachings of the Cabal, an unfinished Satanist.
    6. Siberian
      Siberian 14 May 2020 10: 35 New
      0
      Long? Yes, last year, when these very popular leaders extended, led by the EP, laws on protecting themselves from people who are not beloved, laws on mirroring people against them were introduced, but failed. The Constitutional Court concluded that there are enough laws and so everything is good there. Now what has changed? Some of them have been canceled, but now they grabbed and decided to re-legitimize? Or is the election soon? need to lie on something? Is it louder to declare about yourself?
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 13 May 2020 11: 17 New
    +5
    Totally agree . The bureaucrats often can’t see the edges. In addition to fines - a lifelong ban on working in managerial government agencies.
  3. tanki-tanki
    tanki-tanki 13 May 2020 11: 18 New
    +1
    If the bill passes, rudeness towards citizens will become an expensive "pleasure" for officials

    Well and good.
    1. major147
      major147 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: tanki-tanki
      If the bill passes, rudeness towards citizens will become an expensive "pleasure" for officials

      Well and good.

      In general, does it make sense to keep in the service of the people a "servant" who is rude to those whom he should serve?
      1. tanki-tanki
        tanki-tanki 13 May 2020 11: 40 New
        0
        Well, actually yes.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: major147
        Quote: tanki-tanki
        If the bill passes, rudeness towards citizens will become an expensive "pleasure" for officials

        Well and good.

        In general, does it make sense to keep in the service of the people a "servant" who is rude to those whom he should serve?

        from Mars or something polite to write out ?? !!! laughing
        1. major147
          major147 13 May 2020 21: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          from Mars or something polite to write out ?? !!!

          No! Train your "servants"!
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 20 New
            +5
            Quote: major147
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            from Mars or something polite to write out ?? !!!

            No! Train your "servants"!

            for this you need to have a polite population !! wink laughing
            1. major147
              major147 13 May 2020 21: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              for this you need to have a polite population !!

              Even on Mars this is not request
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 39 New
                +5
                Quote: major147
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                for this you need to have a polite population !!

                Even on Mars this is not request

                well, like this!!! laughing and you suggested a method much less realistic than mine !!! wassat
  4. AUL
    AUL 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
    +6
    The question is how to prove this rudeness, and to whom to complain? To talk with an official only on video? The idea is good, but to implement it, IMHO, will be very problematic.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 May 2020 11: 25 New
      +4
      At least in audio. And it is advisable to communicate in writing with the sending of copies to the authorities. Let them say your pshlivsen on paper ...
      1. for
        for 13 May 2020 12: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        At least in audio

        Digital does not accept court, but you will not find magnetic ones.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
    +3
    The leader of the state believes that the punishment for officials for insults should be stricter than for other categories of citizens.
    Common sense, good to see.
  6. major147
    major147 13 May 2020 11: 20 New
    +6
    In a timely manner! The foolishness of our snickering "servants" sometimes rushing serious. It seems that they, living in their own world, fenced off from the people, do not have time to change the settings and continue to use their narrow-cell vocabulary when communicating with the people.
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 13 May 2020 11: 21 New
    +2
    It is high time. A cop or a doctor for rudeness - they will dismiss without a second word. And an employee of some zanyuhanoy district council can easily laugh in my face and send me to the place where you can’t get off the kraly night and on the darkest night ...
  8. prior
    prior 13 May 2020 11: 22 New
    +8
    Humane need to be for officials.
    Just assign them a salary at the minimum wage.
    1. Sergey Zhikharev
      Sergey Zhikharev 13 May 2020 12: 37 New
      +1
      A colleague is a real sadism.
      Such a terrible punishment will not go.
      Or it turns out that the minimum wage is the maximum wage.
    2. for
      for 13 May 2020 13: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Just assign them a salary at the minimum wage.

      Well, think about it once without a glass of cognac will remain. At least add to it, at least reduce, at least fine compensate from our pocket. The most terrible deprivation of any position for life and confiscation from all relatives.
      1. prior
        prior 13 May 2020 13: 19 New
        0
        This was not a fine in the amount of the minimum wage, but a salary the size of the minimum wage.
        What is more terrible for an official is not removal from office, but appointment to office: for example, a "shnyr" or "hairdresser" (chopper of branches). It is possible both for life and with confiscation. I am kind.
  9. alone
    alone 13 May 2020 11: 24 New
    +5
    Insulting a person is a criminal offense .. It’s better for me to plant them with the confiscation of the acquired good .. And then snickering to impossibility
    1. major147
      major147 13 May 2020 11: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      Insulting a person is a criminal offense .. It’s better for me to plant them with the confiscation of the acquired good .. And then snickering to impossibility

      I fully support good
    2. your1970
      your1970 13 May 2020 15: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: lonely
      Insulting a person is a criminal offense .. It’s better for me to plant them with the confiscation of the acquired good .. And then snickering to impossibility

      Gold words!! I fully support !!!! But what about the other side, with citizens ??
      Two citizens came to me last week. Especially noted, the first time, there were no unsubscribes and messages before ..
      From the censors were the surname, "you" and "on" ....
      To plant them "with confiscation of the acquired property" ??? !!! I am for! And you?

      Zs salaries of girls of secretaries 1-2 categories 10 000 after income. They apparently deserve to listen to the area abuse at work for such a salary ... Yes ??? [b] [/ b]

      And yet, now Rosreestr does not register with us in the field of the transaction. And it begins to reach the people that WITHOUT "damned bureaucrats" it is sometimes bad
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: your1970
        But what about the other side, with citizens ??

        including with local pseudo-communists !!! wink laughing
      2. alone
        alone 13 May 2020 18: 58 New
        0
        Quote: your1970
        I am for! And you?

        Completely .. The law should be the same for everyone ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 May 2020 20: 45 New
          -2
          So the trick is that punishment is imposed for strictly defined groups of persons
          And judging by the comments, people like
  10. Slavs
    Slavs 13 May 2020 11: 27 New
    +6
    The punishment should be one - removal from the civil service, without the right to recovery ..
    Everything else is cunning, they have enough money for rudeness.
  11. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 13 May 2020 11: 31 New
    +6
    not fine, but drive a filthy broom from the authorities ...
    1. tanki-tanki
      tanki-tanki 13 May 2020 11: 41 New
      +1
      And soon.
    2. major147
      major147 13 May 2020 11: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      not fine, but drive a filthy broom from the authorities ...

      Let me fix you hi - fine и to drive a filthy broom from the authorities ... Money will not be superfluous, but they will not become much poorer.
    3. Pvi1206
      Pvi1206 13 May 2020 12: 37 New
      +1
      and it is necessary to fine those who appoint boors to officials ...
  12. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 13 May 2020 11: 35 New
    +1
    Hinshtein-Turchak bill provides for other types of punishments, in particular, suspension from public service for a certain period.

    Before paying an advance for a new fine?
  13. paul3390
    paul3390 13 May 2020 11: 36 New
    +2
    Why don’t you all like it? The normal behavior of the feudal lord in a neo-feudal country .. And how else to the servant of the sovereign to communicate with any cattle? But they don’t behave like that on purpose, it’s rushing from the depths of the soul. And you won’t fix it with any fines - they still won’t change their attitude to stinks! It is not a matter of people, but of a social formation. Feudalism with a human face does not happen in principle. If you want people to hold you, return Soviet power. Otherwise, just like that.
  14. Forest
    Forest 13 May 2020 11: 37 New
    +3
    Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 13 May 2020 12: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: Forest
      Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

      Here's a comment. If now an open-minded official receives a black mark and is expelled from the cohort of those in power in order to extinguish the indignation of people, now he will pay fifty dollars and will continue to prosper - for "according to the law." And how many cases will reach our high fair trial, and in how many cases will Aunt Faya condemn Uncle Izya?
      This is a law about saving officials, not about taking care of their "moral character".
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 May 2020 17: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: Forest
      Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

      That's right, you decrypted Hinshtein's message yes
      1. A good one
        A good one 13 May 2020 20: 41 New
        +1
        yes Indeed, an interesting movie, or maybe a series, or better, as in short films. Fewer frames have more to do, and thoughts on affairs do not diverge so quickly. hi
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 13 May 2020 23: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Not bad
          yes Indeed, an interesting movie, or maybe a series, or better, as in short films. Fewer frames have more to do, and thoughts on affairs do not diverge so quickly. hi

          Greetings Viktrych hi
          Yes, everything is simpler, I do not like this record holder for the title of "Honorary Citizen" No. . He still has to pay fines for - jokes on the Internet.
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 23 New
      +7
      Quote: Forest
      Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

      then you are wrong, this is not right for you !!! laughing
      1. Sector
        Sector 13 May 2020 17: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        Quote: Forest
        Now they are firing for it, and so there will be an alternative-fine.

        then you are wrong, this is not right for you !!! laughing

        Such is their essence as neolibers .. Even if Russia fall apart under their whining and help .. They all will also whine from Canada and the USA, etc. We warned and you ruined the country .. But it was good))))
        Recall Solzhenitsyn .. And especially his photo staged with a number in a quilted jacket .. His Jewish wife admitted that the photo was taken on purpose ..
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Sektor
          Such is their essence as neolibers ..

          the fact is that these under the communists mow !! wink wassat
          1. Sector
            Sector 13 May 2020 18: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            Quote: Sektor
            Such is their essence as neolibers ..

            the fact is that these under the communists mow !! wink wassat

            And terrible patriots .. Nose keep the bastards in the wind!
            Many in flight changed into "red trousers" and again teach us life, the people of Russia .. negative
            This is because a layer of such formed, which under any power creep and lick ..
            What to do with them, here's the question? And how to get rid of them ..?
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 16 New
              +6
              Quote: Sektor
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: Sektor
              Such is their essence as neolibers ..

              the fact is that these under the communists mow !! wink wassat

              And terrible patriots .. Nose keep the bastards in the wind!
              Many in flight changed into "red trousers" and again teach us life, the people of Russia .. negative
              This is because a layer of such formed, which under any power creep and lick ..
              What to do with them, here's the question? And how to get rid of them ..?

              the whole problem is that not so long ago they quite normally got along well with RYZHYM !!! request laughing
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 May 2020 11: 45 New
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    At least they’ll think before opening their mouths. There are voice recorders in every phone. Well, how does a citizen turn on the recorder? laughing
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 May 2020 11: 56 New
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    In addition to the "Chuvash", the governors offered to shoot the people. And there are many other "cheerful" wishes from officials.
  17. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 13 May 2020 12: 26 New
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    probable liability to the people-bearers of power ...

    Churchill also spoke about this:

    Our authorities act exactly the opposite.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 17: 25 New
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      Quote: 16112014nk
      Churchill also spoke about this:

      and why did he say that ?? what Itself fell under this ?? !! laughing
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 13 May 2020 19: 47 New
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        I mean, among our officials, with rare exceptions, irresponsibility and impunity + professional unsuitability and incompetence are widespread. And the price is paid by the people. By their actions they do more harm than good. With IVS, if this happened, they would work in padded jackets in the fresh air. And now we are just tolerantly transplanting from place to place.
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 May 2020 20: 57 New
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          Quote: 16112014nk
          And the price is paid by the people. By their actions they do more harm than good. With IVS, if this happened, they would work in padded jackets in the fresh air. And now we are just tolerantly transplanting from place to place

          There was a general Zhigarev. War ....
          Golovanov describes how Zhigarev in EYES lied to Stalin, in the eye !!!! And with witnesses !!! His lies were exposed at witnesses.,
          Zhigarev instead of quilted jackets / penal battalion / bullet, instead of the front he left to command aviation in the Far East. In the same rank ....
          After the war, he grew strongly career
          Once again - the war, Zhigarev Stalin lies to EYES about the presence of combat aircraft ....
          Quote: 16112014nk
          just tolerantly transplant from place to place.

          This is exactly what happened with Zhigarev
          1. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 13 May 2020 22: 36 New
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            Quote: your1970
            In the same rank ..

            Scoundrel! - with an expression of deepest contempt Stalin said and lowered his hand. - Out!
            Pavel Zhigarev in April 1942 removed from the post of commander of the Air Force of the Red Army and appointed commander of the Air Force of the rear Far Eastern Front.

            From the book of A. E. Golovanov "Long-range bomber"
            Well, no matter how tolerant. And vice versa.
            1. your1970
              your1970 14 May 2020 12: 25 New
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              Gosha- "not tolerant" !!!!!!
              1) did not fly on a jet thrust towards the front as an ordinary in a penal battalion, but remained GENERAL!!!
              2) departed from a hot place where it was specifically burned - you can even say a pre-war post to a quiet, calm one. Airplanes are not shot down, there are no bombings .... personnel training and the American airplanes .... Lafa after Moscow and the bombing .... .
              3) He would certainly have survived, even if Moscow had fallen and the USSR lost the war. The Wehrmacht would not have reached the Far East even in the glitches of a drug addict .... it was quite obvious in 1942- but our Victory was still a big question ..

              Z.y.na my character - he would have been shot right there for deceiving the commander in chief and not receiving the Air Force 702 aircraft in the conditions of severe time pressure or as an ordinary infantry to the front.
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 13 May 2020 21: 24 New
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          Quote: 16112014nk
          I mean

          and here it is not necessary to that ... bring an expression of a dubious character at least in moral terms !! negative immoral person to teach someone moral ... are you kidding me ?? !!! wassat laughing
  18. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 13 May 2020 12: 37 New
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    Recall winged expressions - the state did not ask you to give birth;
    -no money, but you hold on;
    - I ask you to treat this with understanding;
    - macaroni everywhere are the same;
    - Lived and did not whine. The criterion of insulting the people is not words, but actions. The life of the majority of the people in poverty in a country rich in resources is an insult.
  19. Junior Private
    Junior Private 13 May 2020 12: 45 New
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    Fine 150000 rubles? Is this a joke? Some bureaucrats can afford to slander an article twice a day without much damage to their family budget. And it is necessary to beat off the fines - with whom and by what methods, I suppose, everyone has already guessed. Here you can’t do without confiscation. Moreover, go through all the relatives and to the third knee. And then everyone became smart, - the official is officially half-dressed, and his wives and children do not have enough lines in the tax return forms. All Mercedes with cottages do not fit.
  20. for
    for 13 May 2020 12: 48 New
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    The question is who will be the plaintiff, investigator, expert and judge?
  21. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 13 May 2020 12: 52 New
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    Our officials spend more on lunch. The treasury provides them with such opportunities.
  22. fa2998
    fa2998 13 May 2020 12: 57 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    Can punishment in rubles and take effect?

    Until they "beat off" their money, they will not calm down (after all, we are not punished for corruption). It is not better to chase, with the prohibition to continue to occupy such positions. I think the idea that they will be driven away from the trough is more effective. good hi
  23. Junior Private
    Junior Private 13 May 2020 13: 09 New
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    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    Totally agree . The bureaucrats often can’t see the edges.

    Outright rudeness (especially in the civil service), grows out of a feeling of complete impunity. A good reason for law enforcement agencies to peruse the entire bureaucratic food chain.
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 May 2020 13: 22 New
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      Quote: Junior Private
      A good reason for law enforcement

      Exactly: they only need a reason.
  24. faterdom
    faterdom 13 May 2020 13: 15 New
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    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has already put forward such a law, the Edrosa was hacked to death, they said it was irrelevant. Now they make themselves, by the way, reducing the fines from the first by half, but I also think that they will definitely distort the meaning with some Jesuit hooks - it will be possible to punish either those who are from non-parliamentary parties, or non-party, or communists, at worst - the citizens themselves ( and why are they, too, because they can offend citizens), but not "the best people of the new millennium" ...
    No, guys, we won’t give you a machine gun: EP must fail even for retirement, we see the results of the medical reform, help with a bottle, the budget has been revised twice in the last 5 months.
    If, after all this, they again win the State Duma, I will already think offensively about the electorate, and nothing can be done about it. Interestingly - for "thoughts" will also be introduced?
  25. iouris
    iouris 13 May 2020 13: 21 New
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    It is only somewhere high in the mountains ... not in our area.
    If this happens in some places at times, then there is a press service.
  26. Armored beast
    Armored beast 13 May 2020 16: 05 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: rotmistr60
    some too snickering and completely bronzed sense of measure lost


    Because not scared confident in their impunity.

    If a civil servant is convicted of insulting citizens for the first time, he will pay a fine in the amount of 50 to 100 thousand rubles. Repeated such misconduct will cost him 150 thousand rubles.


    Can punishment in rubles and take effect?

    They will steal more so that fines are recaptured.
  27. lis-ik
    lis-ik 13 May 2020 17: 09 New
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    I'm afraid it will be like the notorious law on weapons. Very streamlined and very flexible. Those. really like a drawbar.
  28. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 13 May 2020 23: 31 New
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    For some fans, show who in. It was not bad for the master to introduce corporal punishment, for example, rods
  29. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 May 2020 01: 43 New
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    But for me it is so - a civil servant insulted his citizens - it was proved in court - to expel from work with a "wolf ticket" am