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Instead of the Great Patriotic War, the term "German-Soviet war" was offered at a lecture for students of Ukraine

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Instead of the Great Patriotic War, the term "German-Soviet war" was offered at a lecture for students of Ukraine

Anton Drobovich, who succeeded Vladimir Vyatrovich as director of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory (UINP), as it turns out, continues the general line of interpretation storiesled by his predecessor. On the eve of Drobovich decided to conduct an online lecture for high school students of Ukrainian schools. The lecture was devoted to the history of the Second World War, more precisely to how this history is ordered to interpret UINP today.


Drobovich the whole history of WWII fit in 40 minutes. For obvious reasons, it is impossible to talk about all the important dates and battles of that war in such a compressed format, and therefore the head of the Institute of National Memory went the simplest way for himself. Using slogans from the “aggression of Nazi Germany and the USSR” series, Drobovich ultimately came up with a statement of the following nature:
The USSR occupied half of Europe.

According to Drobovich, European politics by 1939 was "weak." At the same time, the head of the IAPP tried to emphasize for Ukrainian schoolchildren that “if it were not for Stalin’s conspiracy with Hitler,” then there would be no war. Moreover, it is added that the USSR (even the word "communism" is used) was almost an ally of Nazi Germany. Of course, Drobovich does not cite the fact that treaties with Hitler at the time of signing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were already signed by the vast majority of European countries (including the Polish-German Hitler-Pilsudsky Pact). He does not say anything in his online lecture about how the communists from the USSR opposed the Nazis and, before the start of World War II, in Francoist Spain.

But Drobovich categorically declares:

The Soviet Union enters the war on the side of Nazi Germany.

The “honest” Drobovich does not say a word that if you interpret history like this, you must say that in 1938 Poland, Britain and France opposed Czechoslovakia “against Nazi Germany” (on the basis of the Munich agreement). No, such a reference for Drobovich, who is another puppet for rewriting history, was not provided.

At the same time, the head of the UINP states that it is unacceptable to use the term World War II, but you need to, you see, call the war “German-Soviet”.

Mr. Drobovich speaks about the Holocaust casually. Apparently, this part of the history of World War II prevents the director of the Ukrainian Institute, as they say, from hanging all dogs in the Soviet Union.

And here is the lecturer himself with his presentation:



The fact remains: attempts to rewrite history continue. And Ukraine today in this regard acts as one of the training grounds for those who are going to belittle the role of the Soviet people in the victory over Nazi Germany.
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  2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
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    Here is a traitor! He has the flag of Russia on the table! wassat
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 13 May 2020 07: 20 New
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      as director of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory (UINP)

      Ukrainian Institute of National Shame (UINP)
      Keep waving, the owner likes it.
      Just remember, the life of prostitutes is bright, but short.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 13 May 2020 08: 10 New
        +4
        Well, in the screensaver of the Ukrainian video on the history of Drobovich (see carefully) familiar characters from Zelensky's "95 Quarter" are sitting!
        What else can you want from them ?!
        Zelensky's comedy performance "Kvartal-95" continues under the flag of Ukraine.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 13 May 2020 09: 29 New
          +8
          Quote: Mitroha
          ... the life of prostitutes is bright, but short ...

          I doubt the brightness. They are used while they are fresh.
          Fascists are worse than prostitutes.
          From the Nazis and Nazis need to free the Russian lands.

          The chief in Belarus with a Ukrainian surname also stated that the Patriotic Wars were Russian wars, and Belarusians were injured.

          So, these rotten thoughts are not only in Ukraine.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 13 May 2020 13: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Fascists are worse than prostitutes.
            From the Nazis and Nazis need to free the Russian lands.

            The question never crossed my mind: -Why were only 24 Nazi leaders condemned at Nuremberg? At the same time, the main leaders were not there. The only one of the more or less large leaders of the Third Reich, who was tried in Nuremberg, is Hess, who was sentenced to life imprisonment.
            The question is, where are the other leaders and their accomplices then? The USA and England took many of the Nazi managers. By the way, the English Queen is also a terry fascist, as well as her little son Harry ..
            1. venik
              venik 14 May 2020 11: 11 New
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              Quote: NEXUS
              In this case, major then the leaders there did not have.

              ========
              WHO of the "main" leaders there could be? Hitler and Goebbels - committed suicide while still in the Chancellery; Himmler bit through an ampoule of poison during a medical examination after arrest; Bormann was killed (by a grenade explosion) while trying to break out of the Chancellery on May 2; Lei - Committed suicide in prison.
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              Quote: NEXUS
              The only of the lesser leaders of the Third Reich, who was tried in Nuremberg, is Hess, who was sentenced to life imprisonment.

              =======
              Those. neither Goering, nor Ribbentrop, nor Rosenberg, nor Kaltenbrunner are you more or less meaningful figures don't think? But they were all sentenced to be hanged and hanged (except for Goering, a couple of hours before the verdict was pronounced, he managed to take poison and "symbolically" hanged his corpse), as well as 9 other (slightly less significant) criminals.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 14 May 2020 11: 12 New
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                Quote: venik
                WHO of the "main" leaders there could be? Hitler and Goebbels - committed suicide while still in the Chancellery

                Are you sure about that?))
                Quote: venik
                Bormann was killed (by a grenade explosion) while trying to break out of the Reyskanel on May 2;

                Same question...
                And as for the criminals of the second highest level, how were things there?)
                1. venik
                  venik 14 May 2020 20: 37 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Hitler and Goebbels - committed suicide in the Chancellery
                  Are you sure about that?))

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                  ABSOLUTELY! Conspiracy theories that they allegedly escaped were actively exaggerated during the period of Gorbachev's "perestroika" (mainly in the Western media), but HAVE NO real confirmation! Later attempts to "stuff" from the FBI (last or the year before last), about some information allegedly available, did not stand up to criticism (something in the style of "OBS" - "one" old lady seems to have heard ").
                  As for Bormann, his remains were discovered in 1973. In the course of an anthropological examination, complete coincidence of the remains with the original was established. In 1998, a DNA examination was carried out, dotting the i's.
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      2. 210ox
        210ox 13 May 2020 10: 17 New
        +3
        The current state of this territory is Nazi occupation. And it is very unfortunate that in 2014-15, these goods were not completely understood in Ukraine either.
    2. Pike
      Pike 13 May 2020 07: 23 New
      24
      On one site, in response to a statement of the same type from Ukraine that Germany and the USSR in 1939 tore apart Poland, I asked: "Why are you still not going to return what was torn off?" There was no answer ...
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 13 May 2020 09: 17 New
        10
        Quote: Pike
        On one site, in response to a statement of the same type from Ukraine that Germany and the USSR in 1939 tore apart Poland, I asked: "Why are you still not going to return what was torn off?" There was no answer ...

        All historical lectures of modern Ukraine cause cognitive dissonance ...
        Reminds me of a "scientific dispute" in the ward of a psycho-neural dispensary.
        I have experience of communicating with Zrobitchanin from memory. Moreover, my peer began to study in a Soviet school, and graduated already in Russia and Ukraine. He has the same "trash heap" in his head: Hitler's Germany and the USSR attacked and occupied Ukraine and Europe.
        I ask: and where did the SS volunteer divisions "Galicia" and "Nachtigall", the SS field uniform on your lads in the guard of honor come from?
        Answer: Well, like this, they received weapons, uniforms and grubs from the Germans in order to fight for independence.
        I ask: did they fight to destroy the grub so that the Germans would die of hunger ?!
        In general, my opinion is that part of the population of the Ukrainian SSR had everything that now climbs out ...

        In connection with the fact that "Ukrainian scientists" proved the origin of Cro-Magnons from the most ancient Ukrs, and when the Cro-Magnons settled in Europe, the Neanderthals disappeared, I consider it necessary to bring up the issue of recognizing the ancient Ukrs as guilty of the genocide of Neanderthals at the UN.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 13 May 2020 14: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Lynx2000
          "Ukrainian scientists" proved the origin of Cro-Magnons from the most ancient ukrov

          If a person descended from a monkey, then Ukraine has proved by its own example that evolution is possible in the opposite direction. How can a person turn back into a monkey, and bypassing the stage of Neanderthals. Thus refuting Darwin's theory. laughing
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 May 2020 08: 29 New
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      Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
      Here is a traitor! He has the flag of Russia on the table!

      What a flag, it's just notebooks. And even more so, he is not a traitor, as you write. He comes from Western Ukraine, his grandfathers and father Bandera, and he did not betray them. We have Victory Day, and they have mourning day.
      1. venik
        venik 13 May 2020 10: 13 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        He comes from Western Ukraine, his grandfathers and father Bandera, and he did not betray them. We have Victory Day, and they have mourning day.

        ========
        In general - some kind of "dark horse" this "Drabovich"! I tried to find out something in the Internet - the result: only his studies at the Kiev Pedagogical Institute and professional activities are described in detail, in one source it is mentioned in passing that he was born in Kiev, and about the family - generally silent (!) - it seems diligently "encrypted ".....
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 May 2020 12: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: venik
          seems to be diligently "encrypted" .....

          Similarly, I could not find anything.
    4. Hto tama
      Hto tama 13 May 2020 08: 35 New
      +8
      Ukrainian is not a nationality, this is a diagnosis yes sadComing out of the USSR, Ukraine was one of the richest republics, but the venality of the elites brought this country to the level of the fore-station forgiveness .. Lord. It remains to sell the land, there’s nothing more to sell, even the conscience is sold out
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 May 2020 07: 06 New
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    Director of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory (UINP) Anton Drobovich
    When a person is illiterate from lack of education, as such, then, if desired, he can be taught and drilled at least the basics. But when a person (?) Deliberately not only distorts history, but also spits on the past of his country, this is a direct enemy. What should be done with the enemy? The degradation of Ukrainian "personalities" not only continues, but is growing exponentially.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 13 May 2020 07: 20 New
      10
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The degradation of Ukrainian "personalities" not only continues, but is growing exponentially.

      Even Petliura wanted to get rid of the Zapadents, but the current authorities are betting on them, taking stupid Seluk as the standard of Ukrainians and now remaking the entire population in their image and likeness - "one people, one Reich, one Fuhrer."
      1. ANB
        ANB 13 May 2020 13: 26 New
        +1
        . one Fuhrer

        With the Fuhrer, they somehow do not ask.
        Everything is somehow wrong.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 13 May 2020 13: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: ANB
          With the Fuhrer, they somehow do not ask.

          What a Reich, such a Fuhrer.
    2. Pavel73
      Pavel73 13 May 2020 08: 38 New
      +8
      Alas. The West purposefully turns just-seemingly Russian people into mortal enemies of Russia. Today's Ukrainian children are tomorrow’s cannon fodder for the next Western crusade against Russia.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 May 2020 08: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      When a person is illiterate from the lack of education, as such, then, if desired, he can be taught and hammered at least the basics. But when a person (?)

      I do not consider education as a measure of literacy, any village grandmother is more literate than this "type", although grandmother has 4 grade of elementary school. He's just a child born of the Bandera-Nazi spirit. This is not corrected, it is for life, but how he got into the defenders of the Jews is not clear here. Anton Drobovich is a Candidate of Philosophy, an expert in the field of education and culture, head of educational programs at the Babiy Yar Holocaust Memorial Center. Now this is already incomprehensible to the mind.
  4. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 13 May 2020 07: 15 New
    +5
    Well, this is actually the answer to all those who proved that Victory Day in Ukraine remained the same as it was. and all the rest supposedly the chatter of some sort of ministers.
    1. Altona
      Altona 13 May 2020 07: 44 New
      11
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Well, this is actually the answer to all those who proved that Victory Day in Ukraine remained the same as it was. and all the rest supposedly the chatter of some sort of ministers.

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      And our Victory Day also remained what it was? Is Kiselev's chatter about the monuments to Krasnov and Wrangel so-so? Or Solovyov's chatter about Mussolini's "third way" and about the bright philosophy of Giovanni Gentile and Ivan Ilyin? Let me remind you that the Italian military fought at Stalingrad. And Kolisurengoya is bred more and more. One even posted a photo of a beardless Fuhrer for a banter on a memory site with a fake story of a hero.
      In this case, this "teacher" monetizes his "beliefs", he promotes such ideas not for an idea, as they say, but fulfilling a fully paid order. And this is not surprising under the bourgeois system, where everything is for sale.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 May 2020 08: 34 New
        +3
        I don’t know. for me has not changed. Victory Day was and is. it was a pity the parade had to be canceled, but I personally understand the reason.
  5. Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh 13 May 2020 07: 17 New
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    Ukrainians do not want to be the descendants of the victors, they want to be the victims of the descendants of the victims, who always complain about life and look for those responsible for their misfortunes. For them, the heroes are Bandera, who fought mainly with the civilian population and avoided a real war. That is, cowardly sadists, like their leader Stepka, are Hitler's henchmen.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 13 May 2020 07: 33 New
      +4
      Ukrainians do not want to be the descendants of the winners, they want to be victims the descendants of the victims

      Well, European liberal democracy has long despised sacrifice, heroism and patriotism. Their ideology - why resist? After all, this will lead to unnecessary victims and hardships. And he will destroy the houses and, God forbid, the cafes will close - where do you order beer to drink? They even condemn the persistence of the Soviet people, because this led to millions of human losses and the destruction of part of the country.
      By the way, now there is a similar situation when personal interests in a well-fed life prevail over the tasks of protecting the population. It doesn’t matter to everyone that under the IVL devices so many people suffocate from lack of oxygen, so long as they personally retain the opportunity to go to barbecue or drink a beer in the pub.
      1. Altona
        Altona 13 May 2020 07: 50 New
        -3
        Quote: Ka-52
        It doesn’t matter to everyone that under the IVL devices so many people suffocate from a lack of oxygen, so long as they personally have the opportunity to go to barbecue or to drink a beer in the pub.

        --------------------------------
        What is the connection? Solar ultraviolet incidentally kills any viruses well. And in an apartment building, general ventilation also spreads the infection. If the body does not produce antibodies, then no isolator will help you.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 13 May 2020 08: 07 New
          0
          What is the connection?

          there’s no connection ... We’ll write it down - there is no virus, there is no epidemic, patients are dying from natural causes, all the conspiracy of the Jews and reptilians. Which for some reason it is strategically important to deprive you of the opportunity to hang around in nightclubs and shopping centers
          Solar ultraviolet incidentally kills any viruses well

          yes, just wondering, do you have any special, home-grown ultraviolet? Something in Egypt and Morocco, he did not save the inhabitants from the COVID-19 virus. And there it is, ultraviolet, like dirt in central Russia.
          If the body does not produce antibodies, then no isolator will help you.

          I didn’t go to VO for a month and thought that now this nonsense has diminished ... but no. What does the isolator and antibodies have to do with it? Already 300 times, everyone has explained that anti-epidemiological restrictions are introduced for reduce the spread of infection. To reduce the burden on the healthcare system. Or in your fictional universe, the number of beds in hospitals is unlimited? You are lucky. Since we did not succeed immediately, as in Wuhan, to strangle the epidemic in a small location, then an alternative option should be used with a decrease in the rate of spread.
          1. Altona
            Altona 13 May 2020 08: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Ka-52
            What does the isolator and antibodies have to do with it?

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            Hmm, goodbye young man. You cannot suppress the infection with your methods, it will develop in the same way. As for the "restrictions" in general, the song is separate. We limit here, we don't limit here. You can ride the subway in a crowd, you cannot run in the park alone.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 13 May 2020 09: 01 New
              0
              You can’t stop the infection by your methods

              I do not have "my" methods. I describe the ones recommended by WHO. But in your opinion, all the doctors in the world are not worth one finger. They are fools, and you alone are smart
              it will develop in the same way.

              for some reason, in China its development was stopped. But it’s not interesting for you, it’s more important to poke your finger into the sky with a thoughtful expression
              Well, goodbye, young man.

              goodbye young man "about nothing"
              1. Altona
                Altona 13 May 2020 09: 10 New
                0
                Quote: Ka-52
                I describe those recommended by WHO. But in your opinion, all the doctors of the world do not stand with one finger.

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                WHO is not all doctors, do not cringe. In addition, questions have arisen to WHO since the time of SARS. There was a lot of noise, but there is no "flow of coffins" as now. But large pharmaceutical companies have made a fortune on the massive supply of vaccines. So WHO is more of a commercial vehicle for pharmaceutical companies than an advocate of global health. In general, a mortality rate of about 1% of cases is normal for viral diseases. By the way, he himself was treated for viral diseases in 2018, from shingles, that is, a herpes rash on the body. Acyclovir, ergoferon, riboflavin, nicotine, dropper. Methods as ancient as mammoth tusks. And by the way, he was treated on an outpatient basis, that is, he was allowed to go home for the night.
                PS I don’t know about China. If you use Aliexpress, then the notorious Wuhan has been scared since December 2019, in the sense of a delay in delivery. It was easier to massively "get sick" and develop collective immunity in a month than to pull this "horror without end".
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 13 May 2020 09: 34 New
                  0
                  Quote: Altona
                  There was a lot of noise, but there is no "flow of coffins" as now.

                  Well, just tin. This is what delusional logic is needed. it is not observed because the government has taken measures, unlike the United States, for example, where is the flow. And if it were observed, people like you with foam from your mouth would already scream that the whole world has taken measures of self-isolation, but we haven’t.
                  Quote: Altona
                  In general, mortality of the order of 1% of cases is normal for viral diseases.

                  So it is 1%, and not 15% as in Sweden, precisely thanks to the measures taken.
                  Quote: Altona
                  It was easier to massively "get sick" and develop collective immunity in a month than to pull this "horror without end".

                  Well, you’re a genius in medicine. Where to all the doctors of the world to you. That's the way they tried to go in the UK and Sweden and there 15% of those infected die. What do their doctors tried to convince the government of the opposite, but did not want to, now the result is in person.
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 13 May 2020 10: 22 New
                    +4
                    Quote: CSKA
                    That's the way they tried to go in the UK and Sweden and there 15% of those infected die.

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                    Where does this statistic come from? This is really tin and nonsense. Although today every tune iron irons, the worldwide coronovirus franchise should work, I understand. Sitting on the couch, of course, evil thoughts quickly climb into the head. I have been working together with the factory all month, without holidays even nothing. Agricultural machinery is needed because. Therefore, I can not accept your fabrications, which are practically not confirmed.
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 14 May 2020 14: 34 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Altona
                      Where does this statistic come from? This is really tin and nonsense.

                      These are well-known world statistics. if you don’t taste it doesn’t mean that it’s not.
                      https://www.poisknews.ru/koronavirus/dolya-smertej-ot-koronavirusa-po-stranam/
                      Quote: Altona
                      Sitting on the couch, of course, evil thoughts quickly climb into the head. I have been working together with the factory all month, without holidays even nothing.

                      What nothing? What did not get sick? Good. Here are just the relatives of 70 thousand dead US citizens who disagree with you that such a worldwide conspiracy of all governments of the world.
                2. your1970
                  your1970 13 May 2020 09: 57 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Altona
                  It was easier to massively "get sick" and develop collective immunity in a month than to pull this "horror without end".

                  Well, yes, yes .... in England also they didn’t want to isolate themselves, until Boris Johnson fell ill ... then they quieted down ....
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 13 May 2020 10: 23 New
                    +2
                    Quote: your1970
                    until boris johnson got sick

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                    Johnson, Mishustin, Peskov-Navka, Leshchenko-Vinokur ... The usual advertising information garbage to support the franchise of the disease.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 13 May 2020 12: 15 New
                      0
                      You seriously about Johnson? !!!
                      he was actually first an adversary of quarantine measures in Britain ...
                      aaa, our grandmas probably gave him
                      Quote: Altona
                      to support disease franchise
                      .... fool fool
                      And yes, for the state (absolutely any- not excluding ours !!) such "disease franchises" are extremely unprofitable - there are no taxes, the population is dissatisfied, legal entities are screaming, the opposition is stomping, some money is still given, economic ties are collapsing (including new contracts for your it will be more problematic to import agricultural machinery !! yes yes !! and this again is money bye bye of the state).
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA 14 May 2020 14: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        And yes, such "disease franchises" are extremely unprofitable for the state (absolutely anyone, not excluding ours !!)

                        It's like a forehead against a wall. Explain, give an example, no sense. All the same experts in medicine. Everyone in the world is headless, and he is smarter than anyone at the factory.
                  2. kulinar
                    kulinar 13 May 2020 20: 40 New
                    0
                    Where did you get that you went quiet?
                    So the media wrote to you?
                    Do you know why you introduced self-isolation in the UK?
                    Initially, it was not intended. Only political games in parliament forced Boris, to hold a consensus on other issues, decide to impose restrictions. If you want details, then the state air force or the liberal The Telegraph will help you. Only there they write in English.
            2. ANB
              ANB 13 May 2020 13: 31 New
              +1
              . You cannot run alone in the park.

              Yes, sort of like you can. Nobody forbids me.
    2. Altona
      Altona 13 May 2020 07: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      Ukrainians do not want to be the descendants of the victors, they want to be the victims of the descendants of the victims, who always complain about life and look for those responsible for their misfortunes.

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      The role of the victim country is highly beneficial. It can always be monetized, especially if Big Brother helps in the relevant courts.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 May 2020 08: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      For them, the heroes are Bandera, who fought mainly with the civilian population and avoided a real war. That is, cowardly sadists, like their leader Stepka, are Hitler's henchmen.

      Everyone chooses friends as he is.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 May 2020 07: 33 New
    +2
    I am only surprised how such wars can go on the GLOBE OF UKRAINE?!? Scientists? If they hadn’t poisoned the brains of millions of schoolchildren, let them gush themselves with "mriyas" ... But my friend from Kiev sent an excerpt from his daughter's history textbook ... not to understand the authors’s "thought rubbish", I cannot drink so much ... request
    1. Dmitry from Voronezh
      Dmitry from Voronezh 13 May 2020 07: 41 New
      +5
      Alas, there is nothing to be surprised at - there is an economic, informational, ideological war with Russia and all Russians. In recent years, several states with Nazi Russophobic ideology have been created in Eastern Europe: the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine. In general, it’s interesting what nonsense Ukrainians wrote in their textbook. I suppose how their ancestors dug up the Black Sea or something even worse ... laughing
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 13 May 2020 07: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
        I wonder what nonsense Ukrainians wrote in their textbook. I suppose how their ancestors dug the Black Sea or something even worse

        Yes, there all at once. And Kievan Rus was dragged, and Sumerians were taught in Mesopotamia, and the pyramids were taught to build the Egyptians ... Grade 5 ... the history of the Ancient World was called here. belay
      2. Avior
        Avior 13 May 2020 08: 54 New
        -2
        https://uchebniki-online.net/ smile
  7. knn54
    knn54 13 May 2020 07: 36 New
    +1
    The "institute" was created by analogy with the Polish one, hence the "coincidences."
    I want to insult the wonderful oak tree.
  8. Evdokim
    Evdokim 13 May 2020 07: 38 New
    +4
    With such a formation, Ukraine, in the near future (by historical standards) will turn into a medieval state. With myths, legends, traditions, and stories to the place of history. hi
    1. Dmitry from Voronezh
      Dmitry from Voronezh 13 May 2020 08: 02 New
      +1
      They are already there. Adequate people there are persecuted and accused of lack of patriotism.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 May 2020 08: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Evdokim
      With such a formation, Ukraine, in the near future (by historical standards) will turn into a medieval state.

      But will it be in time?
  9. prior
    prior 13 May 2020 08: 08 New
    -3
    They try to isolate psychos in a psychiatric hospital from normal citizens, bars, fences, etc.
    How long will we read and hear about what is happening in the madhouse called Ukraine.
    It's time to censor all the news from there. Close the borders. Introduce a complete embargo and ignore at the government level.
    Let them go crazy as they like.
    With our non-intervention, in any case, under any authority, everything will end very badly.
    They chose a "partner" for themselves. Let this partner have them and be responsible for them.
    Tired, sorry, reading and hearing that "feces stink."
    1. Altona
      Altona 13 May 2020 10: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: prior
      It's time to censor all the news from there.

      ---------------------------
      Then what to fill our "news" with? The usual exchange of informational rubbish for the layman. Ahi-sighs, hysterics "oh why are they like that?" Propagandists are making money, provocateurs are making money, news agencies are working, the process is going on, everyone is fine. The average man is hysterical, distracted from internal problems, nevertheless wonderful, and even monetized.
  10. Palmyra
    Palmyra 13 May 2020 08: 08 New
    +4
    What is there to discuss? Ukraine is under occupation. This was the case with all post-Soviet countries. Massive propaganda in these countries has always pursued one goal, to cultivate subordination to the West and hatred of Russia. As you can now observe, a friendly policy of sanctions, etc. Well, not the Ukrainians are so "smart" and suddenly revived Russia. Self-esteem in these countries was raised by lies, it came to a ridiculous point when the Bulgarians were handed out a hand-out with the history of Bulgaria, where they described that all great people descended from the Bulgarians, even Christ. They only found it difficult to answer the question about Gagarin ... request In Ukraine, the same thing ... The West subjugates countries by all available means, psychology, coercion, lies, pressure .., pursuing their own selfish goals.
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 13 May 2020 08: 14 New
    +3
    Well yes. The war is "German-Soviet", and the winners include the United States, Britain and a little bit France. Well, the Bandera people, of course, are hanging out somewhere under their feet. wassat
  12. Growlers
    Growlers 13 May 2020 08: 21 New
    -1
    These fools repeat the mistakes of Soviet ideologists. It was the historical lies and reticence that became one of the reasons that led to the collapse of the USSR and the current dominance in the information field of "historical" innovators and laymen, together with scoundrels of various stripes like Rezun and Ukrainian "scientists".
    1. tatra
      tatra 13 May 2020 10: 37 New
      0
      Thus, you are justifying all those who, starting with anti-Soviet Perestroika, instill evil, slanderous Russophobia on the territory of the USSR, and destroy all Soviet and Russian in the republics of the USSR that they have seized.
  13. north 2
    north 2 13 May 2020 08: 49 New
    +5
    Russia, by its naivety, still justifies Ukraine in front of itself that Ukraine is fraternal
    people to Russia and the diabolical anti-Russianness of Ukraine is only a short-term misunderstanding. This naivety comes from the time of Khrushchev, because it was then that they began to whitewash the former Bandera
    in Ukraine and forest bandit brothers in the Baltic states. Under Stalin, they were brought to Siberia in this way, and under Khrushchev
    they were even prematurely released from the camps and were forbidden to remind of their atrocities and their exceptional anti-Russianness. Well, can there really be such Russophobes, such haters of Russia and the USSR among the Soviet people. No, there shouldn’t be such among Soviet people. And they were
    and many Khrushchev were very loyal. because Khrushchev released them prematurely from the camps and
    ordered to no longer pursue this scum, later creating from this scum an elite in Ukraine and the Baltic states and having managed to bring this Khrushchev local elite to power not only in the places in Ukraine and the Baltic states, but also in Moscow. And this so-called elite helped Khrushchev pour mud on Stalin, because it was precisely such people that Stalin carried to Siberia. So since then, Russia and Russians in Russia have been naively deceiving themselves that Ukraine cannot mutate into an anti-Russian one from an excess of reptiles
    hydra. Not only that, but it has already mutated, and the beginning of this mutation by Mazepa and Bandera was continued by Khrushchev. And now this hydra has already grown several heads and that these heads need to be chopped, so you don’t have to fool yourself in this, that it cannot be with a relative ..
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 May 2020 09: 39 New
      +3
      North 2, the FIRST sentence in your comments is not just gold but platinum !! Five! I agree completely. When we all understand that the term, fraternal, peoples can be used very carefully and selectively.
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 13 May 2020 19: 12 New
      0
      Vidas, everything is correct about "brotherly nations" - Cain was a brother to Abel ...
  14. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 13 May 2020 08: 53 New
    0
    Who pays and orders this whistle ...
  15. Uma palata
    Uma palata 13 May 2020 09: 04 New
    +2
    Why has no one driven this goose away from their youth by twigs? Is it because it is precisely this interpretation, enchantingly false, that the inhabitants of Ukraine are very happy with?
  16. Andrea
    Andrea 13 May 2020 09: 10 New
    +1
    So they did not have the Fatherland. Where they will live.
  17. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 13 May 2020 09: 16 New
    +3
    It seems obvious to me that the sponsors of the Ukrainian mess are betting on Western Ukraine, that is, if there is a titular nation and processions of wiped ss in the Baltic states, and there are other non-citizens, in Ukraine this scheme is chosen for Galicians, and the rest are forced to study as they say, in that language on which they say, get a criminal for the banner of victory over the porch of the house and humiliation and spitting near the eternal flame from the ubiquitous Natsik rats.
    Who could, he escaped from this. The rest are held hostage by the anti-Russian project. No obsession will help, only partisan struggle. If it is not there, then the project is still successful.
  18. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 May 2020 09: 35 New
    +3
    I read this article and begin to believe in the good nature and intelligence of Lavrenty Pavlovich ...
  19. Topol M
    Topol M 13 May 2020 09: 54 New
    +3
    Ukrainians are a separate song! I graduated from the missile school, our foreman was a Ukrainian, one of the first to join the CPSU, served in the Strategic Missile Forces and ended up serving as a colonel. He lives in (in) Ukraine, the worst Russophobe in my life I have not seen! How can you trust this nation, their place on the outskirts of the world, the opportunists, for the shat of fat, are ready for anything. There are no words! When you read the news from Ukraine, the hand itself reaches for
    1. north 2
      north 2 13 May 2020 10: 41 New
      +1
      this USSR saved Ukraine the greatest geographical and economic potential wealth-
      its fertile land. Ukrainians are now selling all this. At the beginning of the XNUMXs I had to be in Transcarpathia. So Ukrainians in the Carpathian mountains cut down beech forests and sold beech, because beech wood is very expensive. Moreover, Ukrainians and the Soviet government and their ancestors were considered fools because they did not use such wealth and did not cut down beech forests in the Carpathians.
      But the Vedic beech forests in the Carpathians were never cut before just because the beech is a very water-absorbing tree and it sucks up to several thousand liters of water from the soil in a very short time. And only after the Carpathians began to crawl and collapse when chopping beech, and Hungary and Romania started shouting about it, only after that the Ukrainians stopped chopping beech forests in the Carpathians.
      So there are such examples that a Ukrainian will sell everything and his skins for a piece of bacon, he will twist himself a hundred times and
      in front of anyone, such examples are full at every step, and we know about this breed from which it is molded ...
  20. tatra
    tatra 13 May 2020 10: 34 New
    +1
    The enemies of the Communists in the West, on the territory of the USSR, in Europe are people of fantastic impudence and meanness. Here, a united Europe led by Hitler attacked the USSR and killed 26 million Soviet people. The Communists liberated the USSR and Europe from them, but the enemies of the Communists insolently believe that the Communists should have returned Eastern Europe to the Nazis.
  21. siemens7774
    siemens7774 13 May 2020 10: 44 New
    +2
    For some reason, certain services responsible for this direction do not really want to work. There is an excellent book in 1912- "General Hoffmann-project Ukraine". Also a supplemented book, the second volume of 1926. Quotes of this general from 1900. Archival documents in Vienna, direction Hungarian Empire against Russia. Where there are documents from 1893 on how to create Ukraine. Is there really no way to print these docks on the Internet and books and distribute them to people? That would finally understand how they are fooled.
  22. Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
    +3
    Well, another Soros foster. Just an enemy of the Russians, a product of political Ukrainian Frankenstein. Born earlier - would be hanged
  23. iouris
    iouris 13 May 2020 13: 29 New
    0
    The European approach is not enough. Svidomo should call the war "Ouropeysko-Moskalskoy".
  24. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 13 May 2020 15: 23 New
    +2
    why be surprised when we make films where Soviet officers went to Paris for the whores, and they get orders for stolen cars, one Caudla captured everything from above
  25. 1536
    1536 13 May 2020 17: 08 New
    +1
    Nobody canceled "Sovietology", its apologists are great, but it is impossible to say that something new has been invented in this "science".
    If we accept the main thesis that the USSR occupied half of Europe in 1945, then the answer should be given to the question "why did he do this?" The answer is simple. Because it was from this "half of Europe", primarily from the territories of Poland and Germany, that on June 22, 1941, the USSR was attacked, part of its territory was occupied, as a result of which it became possible to kill peaceful citizens of the USSR, to drive them into slavery in the Third Reich, racial cleansing, the creation of concentration camps and the extermination of prisoners in them. Thus, the USSR was defending itself against past and future threats. The mistake of the leadership was that in 1991 the USSR voluntarily withdrew its troops from these territories, thereby granting them independence in the hope of cooperation, but after a few years it again received a bridgehead for an attack on the territory of the Russian Federation. How today's confrontation will end is hard to say (in fact, there are only two scenarios ...). But the goals and objectives of this confrontation are definite, they are exactly the same as the tasks of the Nazis to destroy the USSR were 80 years ago. Today, instead of the USSR, the Russian Federation remains. Not being deceived once again is the main task.
  26. fa2998
    fa2998 13 May 2020 20: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    The role of the victim country is highly beneficial.

    Well, yes! And as a result of the "Soviet-German" conspiracy, Ukraine has expanded its territory by a third, about that silence! hi