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“And now we need one Victory,

One for all, we will not stand for the price ... "
Bulat Shalvovich Okudzhava


So, it died down, became noisy. I do not mean by any means a ceremonial-victorious business, but a discussion of it.

And here the sensations are very, very strange.

In Belarus, according to the promises of the president of this republic, Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko, the parade took place.

The parade, in general, is like a parade. The troops marched Tanks drove by, planes flew by.


And then "Lieutenant Rzhevsky arrived, it was then that it began ..."

You know, all of these “into such a difficult economic situation” are immediately to the side. 75 years to such an event is 75 years. The next date is 100. And here is how we will celebrate 100 years and whether we will at all - the question is still that ...

At the pace of "development" that has been observed in Russia over the past 20 years, especially in moral terms, excuse me, anything can be.

So we can talk a lot about the epidemiological and economic component, but I just wanted to touch on the moral aspect of everything that happens. Namely, the reaction of the Russian media and the Russian inhabitants. Both on the "Military Review" and beyond.

We didn’t have a parade. More precisely, he was, but ... No comment.




It is very difficult to say that here is from the Victory Day Parade, but we have what we have. In general, it is surprising, and so more and no particular emotions.

But what was in the press is of much greater interest. At least by the fact that a certain competition has begun, who will charge the president of Belarus more abruptly.

The overall impression is not very beautiful.

The main thing is the impression that Lukashenko somehow offended if not all of Russia, then its main, patriotic part.

It is as if what was poured on the President of the Republic of Belarus is caused by a certain insult. Well, then, the Parade can only be held on Red Square, it is necessary to celebrate as Russia celebrates, the rest should imitate everything from attributes to the right to hold the parade and other celebrations.

Yes, let me remind you, for several years, Belarus and Kazakhstan, who dared to introduce their own national attributes, rather than St. George’s ribbons, had been discussing impartially “showing independence”.

It is worthwhile to warn the most ardent of usurping the right to Victory. We are not Americans, and it is not appropriate for us to equal them. But for some reason we are equal. And our ribbons are more correct, and the victory is “poorer" or something ...

Ribbons. Stumbling block. And the subject of throwing these stones at the Kazakhs and Belarusians. Meanwhile, however much the St. George ribbon was originally a symbol of Victory. And they came up with it. In Russia. Why Kazakhstan and Belarus should follow the same course, I personally do not understand.

Tomorrow, I'm sorry, our course will change (for example), and St. George’s ribbons will be ordered to change to tricolor ones. Can this happen in Russia? Easily. After Mannerheim’s plaque and conversations of senior officials about the monuments to Krasnov, I am no longer surprised at anything. Our Majesty official decides with us. They decide to enter - they will introduce.

What should the rest do? Also change? No, all the same in national colors, since such a thing will somehow be more reliable.

Personally, I got the impression drawn from the Russian media that the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, was obliged (in that way) to ask permission to hold the parade in general. And, having not received one, again he had to not conduct it.

Hence the mass condemnation of teeth through teeth from all the Russian media. No one saw the parade as such. The main focus was that those present were without masks. Including veterans. Which will certainly become infected.

That in the comments - do not repeat at all. Solid black prophecies. The "Apocalypse" of John the Theologian rests. It is at the parade that everyone will re-strike each other and in two weeks a wave of deaths will simply sweep across Belarus.

Well, we have everything like self-isolation and masked. What's next? The third confident place in the world in the number of infected according to WHO. And what are masks? And what is under isolation?

But nothing. This is so with us, this we have the right. The rest do not have. No matter what.

Therefore, colleagues from TASS fell to the point that “Lukashenko held a parade.” Not the president, not the commander in chief, so, just, some Lukashenko came to Minsk, held a parade ...

Yes, actually, it is not so important, with a title, without a title. Let it be so that Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko held a parade in Minsk. Here, I think, more important than what I spent. And the president or commander in chief is not important. But for TASS and not such sins are found, nothing. They can.

In the same way, they behaved in Rossiiskaya Gazeta, Interfax, and Komsomolskaya Pravda. And not only there. Overwhelmed, unfortunately.

And how in the materials of the same TASS in what colors and with what enthusiasm the air parade over Moscow was described! We went over every plane that painted the sky with smoke in the color of the national flag of Russia ...

Yes, on Constitution Day, that would be appropriate. Or on the Day of Russia. On Victory Day ... Well, well, even on Victory Day the tricolor will be appropriate. Although who fought under it during that very war and who were defeated under this tricolor ... Also an interesting alignment with historical points of view.

Okay, let’s omit all these multimillion-dollar overclocking costs, aircraft resources and other expenses. Pretty pointless, because plainly no one saw this. In my city was also "aviation parade". They promised 10 aircraft, 2 just hit the cameras. There were others or not, I don’t know. I live far from the center.

But yes, it was also in the press about our heroic pilots who were not prevented by cloudy weather from holding a parade that no one had seen. More precisely, which someone was lucky to see.

In general, it’s a parade for someone, for some planes flashed in the window.

In general, everything does not look very beautiful. We, the descendants of the heroes, rushed to blame the descendants of those who fought side by side with our ancestors that they behave incorrectly from our point of view.

Illogical and ugly. Unworthy of the descendants of the winners.

It is clear that politics is involved here. And it is clear that Lukashenko wanted to gain political points, which is why he was very actively discussing on our part.

BUT: President Lukashenko held a parade in his sovereign republic, which was not quarantined, with operating enterprises and people who were not driven home. They had the right to do so; he exercised his right.

The world appreciated.

As for us, it seems to me personally that such an approach to assessing the actions of neighbors is somewhat inappropriate for the proud people, the descendants of the winners.

That victory was truly one at all. And the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Tatars and other nationalities of the republics of the Soviet Union did not stand at the price.

The usurpation of the right to victory, to the correctness of the celebration is not entirely worthy. And no less unworthy is it to treat those who have their own views on how to celebrate the anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War.
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  1. g_ae
    g_ae 13 May 2020 05: 20 New
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    Thank you, Roman! The only adequate assessment of the situation with the parade we have in Minsk lately. No need to praise, not for that everything was done. But pouring feces on neighbors, whatever they are, is unworthy for those who consider themselves "heirs" of Victory. It will smell just as bad from the "waterers" as from the watered. And disgust for such, as it were, will be small.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 May 2020 05: 23 New
      +5
      and in Belarus there are media that pour feces regularly and with us. is this some kind of news? building any conclusions on it is just as ridiculous as thinking about the existence of life on other planets from the same yellow publications.
      1. Arpad
        Arpad 13 May 2020 05: 59 New
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        Absolutely timely and adequate article.
        Do not decrease, do not add.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 13 May 2020 07: 30 New
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          Quote: Arpad
          Do not decrease, do not add.

          can i add? - soldiers are constantly in the common room - the barracks. You cannot isolate yourself from one another in the same room. In addition, they are not a risk group for age. Limit communication and contacts between departments and EVERYTHING. What prevented the parade? viewers? their number could be limited.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 13 May 2020 08: 29 New
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            it doesn’t work that way. preparing for the parade is a long and difficult process. months. rehearsals. preparation of equipment. Logistics from all over the country units. you can’t limit anything there. besides the servicemen themselves, a huge number of people there provide it. safety. picture on tv the parade will be held just later. this is a logical but unpleasant decision.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 13 May 2020 08: 37 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              it doesn't work that way.

              Baranovirus also does not fit the well-known definition of an epidemic ... our time is a time of substitution of the meaning of words, what we see is when officials deal with medical issues, and banks do politics ... laughing someday it will be called digital medieval
              1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 13 May 2020 14: 18 New
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                What does it mean ,, Middle Ages ,, dear aybolyt678? Evpatiy Kolovrat, Sergius of Radonezh, Alexander Nevsky ... - this is also the Middle Ages. Satanists, by the way, do not like him, this period of History. They didn’t let them get carried away then. They quickly brought to life. If you didn’t solve the issue, about the end of the, ,,.
                And now about n and have unbelted. Who would have thought in the Middle Ages that the pentagram, the symbol of Antichrist and Satan, will be a symbol of United Europe, a symbol of America and Russia (?!). Goods and products are marked with, “the number of the beast,” - 666 (three thin strips at the beginning, middle and end of the barcode), advertising on crosses near pharmacies, crap passports (stylized sixes on each page of the passport of the Russian Federation), total control for respectable people, the cultivation of criminals in the so-called ,, zones ,, disgusting lying media with shaggy girls leading and ,, persons who do not have ,,, ,, ready for everything, males ... This is not ,, the Middle Ages ,,. This is a “normal” approach to the end of the world. Heaven let the forces of darkness inflate during this period. The history of this world ends. But this does not mean that it is worth joining the mentally disabled. But the servants of darkness and their active, “singing along”, are just such. It is strange to argue defiantly and boldly even with the head of the enterprise, and this and the daredevils are rude to the CREATOR. They’re not just, they’ll end badly ...
                What do liars, scum, ordinary people not take into account? They do not take into account the fact that ,, flop, "MANDATORY will fly back in earthly life. They undertake to talk about some abstract, moral torment, after death ... You still die normally, on his deathbed, in the circle of loved ones! Who told you that you will have such a chance? Millions died differently during WWII, for example. There were those who drowned in molten city asphalt, who suffocated in a gas chamber or in a shower room in a concentration camp, or in the basement of an enemy bombed house. Someone was allowed to experiment, they took ALL blood from someone ... And while he was waiting for his turn, he was forced to eat, environmentally friendly, raw mice, to drink someone else's , and my own, high-quality, urine.
                EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN! The world has more than once trusted the Satanic liars. There is still a desire ,, to curl ,,,? A ,, hair stand on end ,, do not stand up from x, experiments ,,?
                The indulgence of lies, stupidity, meanness NEVER led to anything good. The strange state ,, Capitalist Russia, “UNIVERSAL,” will end badly. Well, a personal, “finish”, largely depends on the individual choice between Light and darkness.
                Shortly about RB. There, local commanders, and not, “foreigners of other faiths,.” The result is obvious.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 13 May 2020 15: 11 New
                  +3
                  +++ Middle Ages, - the word is a symbol of darkness, in souls, in culture, in science
                  1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 13 May 2020 17: 00 New
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                    Accepted. Good
                2. Hyperborean
                  Hyperborean 14 May 2020 13: 17 New
                  +4
                  This is trash ... spring exacerbation. I read it, laughed. We cheered up .. :-)) Thank you :-))
                  1. Archon
                    Archon 18 May 2020 11: 02 New
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                    at this rate the site will be renamed into "Military aggravation"
                3. indy424
                  indy424 14 May 2020 21: 07 New
                  +2
                  I'll probably boil it all. and then no one will believe me that a real person can turn this on the air.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 May 2020 09: 24 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              you can’t limit anything there.

              Easily.
              It is problematic with students of academies. But they could be replaced
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 May 2020 10: 00 New
                +1
                easy?) . under the greenhouse conditions of ordinary life, this is a nightmare. in these, these are not just harsh but practically prison measures. all to settle in the premises closed by quarantine that God forbid someone did not dump somewhere. disinfection of everything and everything is constant. daily check of TOTAL personnel so that you don’t miss the infected one. For having received one, you need to remove the entire box and quickly replace it with something. no general and general runs. crews for equipment to prepare not just with duplicates but also duplicate these same duplicates), etc. etc. during transportation of military physicians and specialists of the Russian Chemical and Chemicalbacteria Plant to each echelon with equipment. it turns into a huge and meaningless nightmare. however, without a full guarantee that you will avoid infections. remove all to the barracks. including officers of all ranks. no communication with families alive for several months. all part fences for constant patrolling. self-propelled guns were and will be. all civilian staff outside the gate. and on it now all the food and other things. during the parade force majeure are excluded. any flaw and everything breaks. and we conclude that any measures will not guarantee a breakdown. any.
            3. Arnaut
              Arnaut 13 May 2020 09: 52 New
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              The parade was being prepared, the calculations were in the camps
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 May 2020 12: 20 New
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                camps are of course present. only it is even worse. here the thing is different. You can isolate all participants in the parade from the rest. but they must also be isolated from each other. the first patient in such a camp and all. all must be quarantined immediately. new to carry then?
                1. Roman123567
                  Roman123567 13 May 2020 12: 47 New
                  +9
                  You can isolate all participants in the parade from the rest. but they must also be isolated from each other


                  What for ??
                  Like, when without a parade - then they will not get sick in any way ??
                  They can get sick right only in the parade ..))
                  Here, the tankers are safe in part, and driving in a tank about the area is a type of threat ..))
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 13 May 2020 13: 19 New
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                    Once again, the only way to close it all is rows of spines fences and guards. I had people in self-propelled vehicles to the store in such situations that it was sometimes impossible to even understand how. and when one sick person appears, they will all be quarantined immediately. and you rip off the parade. and what kind of security tankers? what are you speaking about? and the logic is generally iron-you go even at risk of infection and then cure? so what?
                    1. Roman123567
                      Roman123567 13 May 2020 13: 44 New
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                      Do you even read what I'm writing ??)

                      the only way to close it all is rows of spines fences and guards. I have people in self-propelled to the store in such situations arranged that sometimes it was even impossible to understand how


                      You yourself prove to me that even without the Parade they are no less safe .. so what's the difference then ..

                      and what kind of security tankers? what are you speaking about?
                      That this banter ..
                      Here, the tankers are safe in part, and driving in a tank about the area is a type of threat ..))
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 May 2020 12: 21 New
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                camps are of course present. only it is even worse. here the thing is different. You can isolate all participants in the parade from the rest. but they must also be isolated from each other. the first patient in such a camp and all. all must be quarantined immediately. new to carry then?
          2. Arpad
            Arpad 13 May 2020 08: 52 New
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            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Arpad
            Do not decrease, do not add.

            can i add? - soldiers are constantly in the common room - the barracks. You cannot isolate yourself from one another in the same room. In addition, they are not a risk group for age. Limit communication and contacts between departments and EVERYTHING. What prevented the parade? viewers? their number could be limited.

            A parade without spectators?
            This is definitely superfluous.
            I say again - the debate will be endless, because no one really knows what to do.
            Therefore, everyone is right and everyone is wrong.
            In my understanding, a parade is not the main thing at all.
            The main thing that would be remembered, and so, we know thousands of events that were released from above, but were forgotten the next day.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 13 May 2020 09: 12 New
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              Well done Belarusians! Worthy of a parade!

              Hence mass condemnation through teeth from all Russian media.

              What the hell! We must be glad for the brotherly people, for what we ourselves failed to, and not envy. All this unhealthy reaction is known where it comes from. From the very top.

              Two pictures of the parade.
              One is festive. Leader in the circle of government and veterans.
              The other is grim. The leader is like an owl and in the far company of soldiers (so as not to cough!).
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 May 2020 09: 32 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                Two pictures of the parade.
                One is festive. Leader in the circle of government and veterans.
                The other is grim. The leader is like an owl and in the far company of soldiers (so as not to cough!).

                And if the Leader was "in the circle of the government and veterans" Would you be the first to be hysterical about "does he want to infect everyone"?
                Protsenko, then Mishustin, now Peskov.
                Putin is simply obliged to be not even in "self-isolation" but in full-fledged quarantine. "So as not to cough!" (C) including the soldiers from this company ... Or do you give a damn about them, "for the sake of a catchphrase ..."?
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 May 2020 09: 36 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Would you be the first hysteria

                  Shovels, do not think out for me what I did or what I did not. You're not a fortune-teller grandmother, are you? Or all the same ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 20 New
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                    Quote: Stas157
                    Shovels, do not think out for me,

                    I do not need to "think out", this is the psychology of your audience. You are all supposed to do that.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 13 May 2020 10: 45 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Protsenko, then Mishustin, now Peskov.

                  Yes, and do not mind something.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
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                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Yes, and do not mind something.

                    Especially the chief doctor of Kommunarka?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 13 May 2020 11: 54 New
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                      Quote: Spade
                      Especially head physician Kommunarki?

                      Any chaptersa doctor is more an official than a doctor. Doctors even have a joke - the chief physician is the one who heals least and worst of all. They are terribly far from the people (ordinary doctors), especially the size of their salaries. And they are appointed by kinship and connections from the Ministry of Health, so that ordinary doctors are "ordered" there. Well, everything is like everywhere else in Putin's Russia.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 56 New
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                        Quote: Stas157

                        Any head physician is more an official than a doctor.

                        And you do not mind them.
                        Accepted.
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 13 May 2020 12: 04 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        И you do not mind them.
                        Accepted.

                        I feel sorry for ordinary people who live in the back rooms in terrible conditions (they are treated for coronovirus). And for the bosses, I'm not worried! Have you seen which ward Mishustin is being treated in? Yes, so that we live! Contrast where we and where they just huge.
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 06 New
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                        I got it. Doctors do not mind you.
                        No need to specify anything else.
                      4. Stas157
                        Stas157 13 May 2020 12: 08 New
                        +5
                        Why feel sorry for them? Are they deprived or something? Yes, everything will be fine with them. Do not worry! Unlike.
                      5. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 13 May 2020 12: 34 New
                        -16
                        do not. man has long shown everything. he is sorry only for those who are close to him. all who differ from it are enemies and Kremlin bots. no need to waste time.
                      6. Roman123567
                        Roman123567 13 May 2020 12: 56 New
                        +4
                        all who are from him Are different


                        BGG .. specially for such, I already wrote below - neither the doctor, nor the head physician, nor Mishustin - just nothing they do not differ from other people !!
                        Therefore, to single them out from the general list, emphasizing some peculiarity - this is not just stupidity, but also disrespect for the rest of the population ..
                      7. Stas157
                        Stas157 13 May 2020 13: 38 New
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        he is sorry only for those who are close to him. all who differ from it are enemies and Kremlin bots

                        No, I feel sorry for Putin! He plays a too pathetic role lately. This is a pension reform, and zeroing ... It's a pity! I would leave as a person, on time, you would see if there were no such problems.
                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 13 May 2020 16: 28 New
                      +7
                      Doctors do not mind you.
                      What a petty gentleman you are, the best commentator. After all, it was about government officials, but you turned to doctors
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 May 2020 16: 31 New
                      -12
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      What a petty gentleman you are, the best commentator.

                      Well yes...
                      To tell the truth is for your audience, accustomed to constant lies, just mean.
                      It put you in an unpleasant position
                    4. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 13 May 2020 16: 42 New
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                      To tell the truth
                      You are an ordinary troll. How cleverly you have separated the head physician from Mishustin and Peskov.
                      There are just a lot of doctors who do not mind either Peskov or Mishustin. By the way, do not explain why the doctors suddenly fell out of the windows like overripe apples?
                    5. The comment was deleted.
                    6. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 13 May 2020 16: 52 New
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                      also spit on him with shit
                      it’s for such expressions that they gave you the title of best commentator.
                    7. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 May 2020 16: 53 New
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                      Quote: Gardamir
                      it’s for such expressions that they gave you the title of best commentator.

                      Exactly.
                      It is difficult to call a spade a spade without breaking the rules of the site.
                      I would be very pleased to put it more harshly.
                    8. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 13 May 2020 17: 02 New
                      +4
                      without breaking the rules of the site it is difficult.
                      The site is strictly prohibited:

                      a) Mate in any form (open and veiled, the famous phrase of Lavrov "Morons, b ..." refers to the mate, the dots of some letters "on x ...",), as well as quoting a comment with the MAT, swearing ; insult and threats against the opponent. Rough speech ("ass", "shit", etc.)
                    9. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 May 2020 17: 05 New
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                      Quote: Gardamir
                      without breaking the rules of the site it is difficult.
                      The site is strictly prohibited:

                      a) Mate in any form (open and veiled, the famous phrase of Lavrov "Morons, b ..." refers to the mate, the dots of some letters "on x ...",), as well as quoting a comment with the MAT, swearing ; insult and threats against the opponent. Rough speech ("ass", "shit", etc.)

                      Means violated. I'll be punished.
                      But I think it is right.
                      Things should be called by their proper names.
                  2. Sector
                    Sector 13 May 2020 17: 04 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    it’s for such expressions that they gave you the title of best commentator.

                    Exactly.
                    It is difficult to call a spade a spade without breaking the rules of the site.
                    I would be very pleased to put it more harshly.

                    Then you said Lopatov to the point .. !!!!!! good
                    And some are very envious and crap here ..)))
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    it’s for such expressions that they gave you the title of best commentator.

                    It’s not for the whining about the roads and hungry pensioners and down with Russia .. We’re running west for happiness and the Shagen.))))))
                    Anyone (drist) can rock a country, but it’s not all given to criticize and hold a blow for it!
                    Keep it up Shovels! Good luck and be careful, you are caught in the past ..
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 13 May 2020 21: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      Have you seen which ward Mishustin is being treated in? Yes, so that we live!
      Do you want to collectively - all in one chamber, or just for the sake of a personal chamber like Mishustin’s ready to catch an infection?
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 13 May 2020 12: 51 New
    +9
    And how does the chief doctor of a communal apartment differ from another person who has a SARS ??
    Even according to our statistics, over 10 thousand people get sick every day ..
    I am sure that all sorts of sand / mishustins there are the last ones on the list, about whom anyone sincerely regrets ..
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 May 2020 16: 41 New
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      Quote: Roman123567
      And how does the chief doctor of some communal apartment differ

      When someone especially ... the opposition declares that he "does not feel sorry for" the sick Peskov and Mishustin, I can still understand this. So to speak, excesses of opposition, youthful maximalism.

      But when the head physician of the hospital “does not feel sorry”, the culprit, apparently, is only that he met with Putin ...
      When he is not only "not sorry", when they start pouring shit on him that "he is more of an official than a doctor", that he has "too much salary", that he is "too far from doctors and patients", that he "appointed by kinship" ...

      Personally, I’m still with normal brains, and it’s very difficult for me to understand.

      ps They will soon gouge their eyes out because these traitors accidentally saw Putin on the news
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 15 May 2020 13: 29 New
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      Quote: Spade
      They will soon gouge their eyes out because these traitors accidentally saw Putin on the news
      If only the telly would be smashed ... request Instead of a shoulder strap or a skull, they need to write numbers "282" under their avatar. And better - green on the forehead: maybe they will enjoy life more, they will begin to notice good things around them, not only in their reflection.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 33 New
    +9
    Quote: Spade
    Especially the chief doctor of Kommunarka?

    and what is he famous for? That Putin shook his hand?
    The chief physicians of 52nd, Botkinsky were sick, and what?
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 13 May 2020 13: 48 New
      10
      That Putin shook his hand?

      Well, yes .. it seems that Lopatov really formed a cult in his head ..))
      Although, for example, the phrase "especially" cut me in the eyes ..
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Roman123567
      it seems that Lopatov really formed a cult in his head ..))

      two options: 1. genius
      2. what you please
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 13 May 2020 16: 17 New
    -8
    Quote: Overlock
    and what is he famous for?

    That does.
    And not on the Internet expresses itself.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 13 May 2020 17: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: Spade
    That does.

    one for all work? Irreplaceable and unique? Modesty adorns a person, but it's not you
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 13 May 2020 18: 30 New
    -10
    Quote: Overlock
    one for all work?

    Sorry, but I'm not Protsenko.
    And I don’t even pretend.
    Quote: Overlock
    Modesty adorns a person, but it's not you

    A person is decorated with brains.
    But this...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 13 May 2020 13: 41 New
    +9
    Quote: Spade
    Head Physician Kommunarka

    No, I'm talking about a van with the premier from the HSE. And who is Protsenko - I don’t know. And what, are they special?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 13 May 2020 09: 40 New
    +8
    Quote: Arpad
    A parade without spectators?

    and at the parade of the 41st year, the audience was?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Silvestr
      and at the parade of the 41st year, the audience was?

      Yes, and quite a lot.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 13 May 2020 09: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: Arpad
    A parade without spectators?

    Почему нет?
    Quote: Arpad
    In my understanding, a parade is not the main thing at all.

    This is the main thing.
    This is a symbol.
    Like a Banner, like an Eternal Flame
    It is not for the audience. Here, for example, you put flowers to the Eternal Flame - do you do this for the audience?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 13 May 2020 10: 30 New
      -3
      In the USSR, parades to Gorbachev were held several times
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Kronos
        In the USSR, parades to Gorbachev were held several times

        ??
        A few is how much?
        At least once a year?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 13 May 2020 11: 21 New
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          3 times in decades, there were no annual parades because the people didn’t have to brace about the unity of capitalists and ordinary people
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 45 New
            -3
            Quote: Kronos
            no annual parades

            ?????
            Sorry, but this is a lie.
            From 1945 to 1991 at least one parade per year
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 13 May 2020 11: 58 New
              +2
              In the Soviet period, the Victory Parade was held only in the anniversary of 1965, 1985 and 1990. Those parades were not about winning the Great Patriotic War
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 00 New
              -2
              Quote: Kronos
              In the Soviet period, Victory Parade

              Have you "forgotten" about the November 7 parade?
            3. Kronos
              Kronos 13 May 2020 12: 02 New
              +4
              It was about the victory parades in the war. The parades on November 7 were dedicated to a completely different event.
            4. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 04 New
              -4
              Quote: Kronos
              It was about the parades of victory

              And why did VV decide that on November 7 they did not celebrate victory in the Great Patriotic War?
            5. Kronos
              Kronos 13 May 2020 12: 06 New
              +7
              Since the victory parades were not celebrated, there were those 3 that I named and the parades on November 7 in honor of the revolution if you weren’t in the know long before the Great Patriotic War. And mixing them is like celebrating mother’s day and teacher’s day, for example
            6. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 11 New
              -6
              Quote: Kronos
              and parades on November 7 in honor of the revolution if you are not in the know were held long before the Great Patriotic War.

              Ну и что?
              Are you sure that victory in the Great Patriotic War was not a victory of the Soviet state, counting its existence from the Great October Revolution?
            7. Kronos
              Kronos 13 May 2020 12: 13 New
              +7
              I am sure that the parade was not in honor of both events. Everything else is already speculation
            8. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 19 New
              -7
              Quote: Kronos
              I am sure that the parade was not in honor of both events

              Have you ever seen one parade on November 7 on TV?
              Look, you definitely have it on YouTube.
              After that you do not write such nonsense anymore.
            9. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 May 2020 14: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Have you ever seen one parade on November 7 on TV?

              We saw, and many participated in the demonstrations.
              Now, from those posters, some kondrashka would have been cleaner than the virus.
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        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 May 2020 09: 26 New
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          Quote: Kronos
          I am sure that the parade was not in honor of both events

          And I saw parades, moreover with narration.
      2. Fuethe
        Fuethe 14 May 2020 02: 11 New
        +2
        Well, the citizen wants to say that cutlets are separate and flies are separate. These are, in his opinion, such different events. Well, this is his opinion, but mine, I agree with you, this is if it were not for November 7, 1917, then perhaps we would not have had to celebrate May 9. Well, maybe because there would not have been a war, or maybe because then, if Germany had attacked, we simply would not have won, like the rest of Europe. Therefore, for me these events are inseparable. Well, yes, on May 9, we especially felt the greatness of that event, but November 7 was also breathtaking from the celebration ... So I completely agree with you. And yes, the parade can be skipped, but then the holiday will be so pale and with time it will simply disappear, turn into another day off. A person needs victories, they affirm him in the rightness, strengthen his spirit, make him stronger. And the parade is a symbol of Victories. And bad, weak is that nation, the people that do not have these Victories. The USSR, its people had the greatest Victory, this is the Victory of that people, that country, and to deny it is stupid and criminal, And we need to grow up to that. We called ourselves the heirs of the winners, we named that, but did we? No, we need to become heirs. Now there is also a war, not so obvious, but no less cruel and no less bloody. It's just that blood is embodied in humiliation, poverty, obedience and, ultimately, in the slow degradation and destruction of the people, peoples that did not "fit into ..". And there will be both the defeated and the winners in it. And we must defeat those who believe that we do not fit in, delete them, and then we will have our own Victory Day. War has been declared on us.
      3. martin-159
        martin-159 14 May 2020 05: 25 New
        +2
        Some verbiage.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 13 May 2020 13: 00 New
    +3
    A fig ce blunts went ..))
    And they also celebrated Victory in VO on New Year's Day and on International Women's Day ..)) If you want so much, you can come home from work today and "celebrate" again ..
    Just do not interfere with flies with cutlets ..
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 13 May 2020 16: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Roman123567
    And Victory in VO was celebrated on New Year's Day and on International Women's Day ..))

    No.
    Only on November 7th. Like all other achievements of the Soviet Union.
  • Fuethe
    Fuethe 14 May 2020 01: 57 New
    +4
    In the USSR, ideology (we are talking about the late, but not Gorbachevsky USSR) ideology was at a high level. The parade was an integral part of this policy. There were 3 main holidays: November 7 (the most important), May 9 and May 1. And the parades were held. And no one had any doubt that there would be no parade or demonstration. Yes, it was organized, I accept this rebuke. But it was all the same holidays, real holidays. On November 7, the parade is certain. (Now Sobyanin from this parade made a clowning, what a shame. From the great holiday that took place in the USSR he arranged the mummers to walk). And regarding the current situation, I will express my opinion, observing how things are in my city, in Belarus, and it’s not so small - 300 thousand and quite compact. Well, there are no millionaires in Belarus, except Minsk. If it weren’t for individual citizens who were afraid of this propaganda and dressed in masks, then there are no signs of coronovirus paranoia. Everything is completely calm. Buses are crowded with people in the streets and crowded in shops. Well, there the stripes on the floor were marked out and some citizens follow the recommendations, but this is a drop in the bucket. And everything is calm. And what, in such an environment, you need to fall into paranoia, is everything lost ?. Well, of course, On the world, and death is red. It’s hard for a white crow. Here are some cautious assessments - let's see what Lukashenko comes up with ... Yes, nothing comes around. Nothing. So people behaved before the parade, before the holiday and will behave further. And well done. And to say that they say the soldiers will not become infected, because in the barracks. Of course, but citizens will not get infected either, because everything that happens is insanity. I somehow calculated, just for fun. On earth every day, for one reason or another, at least 230 thousand die, during the period of coronovirus hysteria, only 24 million died. It’s just that they die like that yesterday and a year ago and 10 years ago ...., so 200 thousand people who died during this period, allegedly from a coronovirus, are 0,7 percent of total deaths. And now tell me? whether these losses were worth all-planet hysteria, from which indirect losses would be incomparably higher than these 0,7 percent. It was just that all of a sudden they sang in chorus with fear. and the voice of reason, and he was, drowned in a stream of condemnations. And those who nevertheless dared to have their own opinions, which were different from the general approval, received on the head. It’s a pity, it’s a pity that we fell into a state of insanity so easily. And these are just flowers, and if it were a real disaster, it’s hard for me to even imagine what a nightmare then could begin. We need to learn to use the head, it is given to us to think, and not to put a hat on it.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 13 May 2020 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Arpad
    maybe no one really knows what to do.

    making serum from the patient’s blood is a matter of minutes, making immunoglobulin from heterogeneous sera (from animals) is two months, much faster than producing a vaccine. Having serum (immunoglobulins) mortality goes to zero. Where is the danger? what is the problem of obtaining serums, or re-invent them again ??? Why in China blood plasma treatment (purified serum) comes first and we are silent ??? because Baranovirus is specially introduced at us !!!!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: aybolyt678
      but we are silent ???

      I don’t know how it is with you, but in Russia people who have been ill donate blood
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 13 May 2020 13: 23 New
        +4
        I know, but that’s the problem that the media blows about the complete incurability of the virus, about the helplessness of doctors, about some developments in genetic laboratories ...
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 13 May 2020 18: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      making serum from the patient’s blood is a matter of minutes, making immunoglobulin from heterogeneous sera (from animals) is two months, much faster than producing a vaccine.

      You better ask the experts - what is it in reality, very surprised ...
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Where is the danger? what is the problem of getting serums,

      The fact is that the serum must be very carefully treated against HIV and hepatitis viruses, and only then transfused to the patient!
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Why in China blood plasma treatment (purified serum) comes first and we are silent ???

      You’ll be surprised, but the staff of the RosNIIGT search results almost live at work already ... The treatment with antibodies from the blood serum of patients who have been ill and is ongoing, is used for patients with a critical course of the disease or simply severe course of it.
      Quote: aybolyt678
      because Baranovirus is specially introduced at us !!!!

      I don't know what a "baranovirus" is, probably those who invented it are actively introducing it into their minds. And what about our media - have you tried to simply NOT listen to them? Especially the blizzard carried by some citizens (I will not name names) who are broadcasting from the official state channels about "artificial origin" and "world conspiracy."
      But what is important - pay attention to the jump in the increase in the daily number of cases from 6 to more than 10 thousand? Do you know when it happened? That's right - exactly one and a half to two weeks after Easter ... So draw conclusions about any "ram" and its "special implementation"
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 13 May 2020 18: 27 New
        10
        Quote: Albert1988
        You better ask the experts - what is it in reality, very surprised ...

        I won’t be surprised, I am a veterinarian virologist ... I worked, including with the dog coronovirus. laughing I don’t think that the release of specific antibodies with a certain buoyancy gradient will cause some kind of difficulty in centrifugation ... if only it was, equipment .. and specialists.
        Quote: Albert1988
        The fact is that the serum must be very carefully treated against HIV and hepatitis viruses, and only then transfused to the patient!

        as far as I know, serum is first tested for HIV and hepatitis. positive do not use
        Quote: Albert1988
        You will be surprised, but the employees of RosNIIGT search results almost live at work with us ...

        I won’t be surprised, at one time he himself slept on the floor with an electron microscope, underneath the pumps, the floor is warm smile
        Quote: Albert1988
        I don't know what a "baranovirus" is,

        "Baranovirus" is an epidemic of a disease, the fight against which is controlled not by doctors, but by governors ... This is when an epidemic does not fall under the definition of an epidemic, this is when you, perhaps a specialist, know about the effectiveness of serums and the press is buzzing that people are defenseless and the virus cannot be killed. Doesn't this disturb you ?? the 21st century is in the yard! Yes, now the method of monoclonal antibodies can be used for the whole world of immunoglobulins in 3 months! And heterogeneous sera from animals do not contain HIV and hepatitis !! laughing smile
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 13 May 2020 20: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I won’t be surprised, I am a veterinarian virologist ... I worked, including with the dog coronovirus. I don’t think that the release of specific antibodies with a certain buoyancy gradient will cause some kind of difficulty in centrifugation ... if only it was, equipment .. and specialists.

          In this case, the main question is - what is the number of such specialists? And another important point - in working with a person, everyone will be checked 10 times.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          as far as I know, serum is first tested for HIV and hepatitis. positive do not use

          In this case, it is not only checked, but also further processed to destroy viral particles, since there is no minimum time to maintain it for six months.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I won’t be surprised, at one time he himself slept on the floor with an electron microscope, underneath the pumps, the floor is warm

          In my laboratory there is a folding couch for this))) And I remember it was necessary to take RNA samples every 1,5-2 hours during the day to catch the expression of the necessary genes))
          Quote: aybolyt678
          "Baranovirus" is an epidemic of a disease, the fight against which is controlled not by doctors, but by governors ... This is when an epidemic does not fall under the definition of an epidemic, this is when you, perhaps a specialist, know about the effectiveness of serums and the press is buzzing that people are defenseless and the virus cannot be killed. Doesn't this disturb you ?? the 21st century is in the yard! Yes, now the method of monoclonal antibodies can be used for the whole world of immunoglobulins in 3 months! And heterogeneous sera from animals do not contain HIV and hepatitis !!

          That is why I was self-isolated from the media))))
          Perhaps such misinformation is given intentionally, so that the people are afraid and stay at home, because in my hometown they massively dumped them on the street! And on Easter what was happening - people began to break in the church, when the priests said that the epidemic and all that, sit for a while without blessed Easter cakes, then it started! people began to drive away in areas where there are less severe restrictions, and began to break into temples there. As a result, we have instead of a daily increase of 5-6 thousand, an increase of 10-11 ...
          But what really infuriates me is that they are pushing some kind of conspiracy theology through official state channels, saying that they invented a virus in a laboratory, etc. .... am
          And what about the method of monoclonal antibodies - so it is possible, only then you need to test for 5-10 years, that's all, if that did not work ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 13 May 2020 20: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: Albert1988
            In this case, the main question is - what is the number of such specialists?

            go to the website of the Vector NGO ... you can find it, but my opinion is that there are narrow specialists who have understood everything for a long time and there are their leaders who are forced to work with the press and higher authorities. In which the main task is not to defeat the virus but to disrupt financing, by multiplying difficulties laughing And even higher ranks have a saying - "no matter what happens"
            Quote: Albert1988
            And what about the method of monoclonal antibodies - so it is possible, only then you need to test for 5-10 years, that's all, if that did not work ...
            -monoclonal antibodies therefore do not need to be particularly tested because they are monoclones. They are obtained from a tissue culture of an immunocompetent cell capable of "giving birth" only one type of antibodies. This method was new 25-30 years ago, now it has been tested. It is even being tried to be used in oncology. but there was a problem that it is individual against each tumor. hi
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 13 May 2020 21: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              go to the site of the NGO Vector ... maybe you will find it, But my opinion is that there are narrow specialists who have long understood everything and there are their leaders who have to work with the press and higher authorities. Those whose main task is not to defeat the virus, but to knock out funding, by multiplying difficulties And even higher ranks have a saying - "as if something does not work out"

              Financing is given to those who will do everything quickly, and the artificial multiplication of difficulties in this case is unlikely.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              -monoclonal antibodies therefore do not need to be particularly tested because they are monoclones. They are obtained from a tissue culture of an immunocompetent cell capable of "giving birth" only one type of antibodies. This method was new 25-30 years ago, now it has been tested. It is even being tried to be used in oncology. but there was a problem that it is individual against each tumor.

              I perfectly remember this method - one of my favorite sections was in immunology))) The thing is different - every drug. which goes for a person must undergo a huge process of all kinds of testing. My good friend and classmate is now working on such a monitor of clinical trials of various drugs. But I agree with you - this is more of a bureaucracy. not medicine ...
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 13 May 2020 20: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Albert1988
        Do you know when it happened? That's right - exactly one and a half to two weeks after Easter ...

        One and a half to two weeks after Easter, doctors reported doubling the number of patients examined per day! here and the leap.
        I once participated in the elimination of bird flu as part of the relevant commission. We were shown in management personnel from Thailand where 53 people died. Thais, bare-chested in shorts, and barefoot throw this dead bird in conditions of heat, gas, and crowding. Naturally, breathing this air they could receive a certain amount of virus, their immune system undoubtedly recognized this virus as a genetically foreign marker and produced antibodies . If someone died from the workers of the poultry farm, then his biomaterial was immediately examined for the presence of antibodies, when they were detected, it was loudly stated that there was a BIRD FLU !!!
        The coronavirus, like Avian influenza and SARS, is a political illness. I will advise you to watch the movie "Insiders", put today's Crown of Hysteria on it, and it will become absolutely clear to you on whose order the music is playing! The virus is, was and will be, only there is no epidemic! There is insurance medicine, the higher the insurance, the greater the number of cases, the statistics are clear!
        Banks need to motivate the crisis, politicians for their failures, for some to realize ruble masks, for someone to get insurance assistance from the state, and America to pour trillions into the guise .. it is very convenient!
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 13 May 2020 21: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          One and a half to two weeks after Easter, doctors reported doubling the number of patients examined per day! here and the leap.

          You see, a very strange coincidence! Well, it’s very strange, I even want to quote one propagandist who got a sore mouth ...
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Coronavirus as well as Avian influenza and SARS are political diseases.

          I agree, for capitalism has shown its full impotence in the fight against such diseases ...
          Quote: aybolyt678
          There is insurance medicine, the higher the insurance, the greater the number of patients, the statistics are clear!

          Yes, only now for the insurers right now, the most disadvantageous situation - if there are a lot of patients - they will go broke and pull the banks with them. Therefore, such measures are introduced here - not so much to try to defeat the disease (which is costly, and therefore very undesirable for the capitalist state), but rather in an attempt to minimize the number of those infected ...
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Banks need to motivate the crisis, politicians for their failures, for some to realize ruble masks, for someone to get insurance assistance from the state, and America to pour trillions into the guise .. it is very convenient!

          I would say that it’s just NOT very convenient for the global economy - the losses are monstrous, but the fact that many will catch fish in troubled waters in such a situation is 100%
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 14 May 2020 04: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Albert1988
            I would say that it is just very NOT convenient for the global economy

            do not confuse Economics with Financial Capital. Watch the movie "Insiders"
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 14 May 2020 11: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              do not confuse Economics with Financial Capital. Watch the movie "Insiders"

              I’ll take a look at the film, although recently I began to lose confidence in such a media product. But what I cannot agree with is the fact that financial capital and the economy are two different things. namely, the first is only one of the participants in the second, and just the loss of financial capital will now be maximum ...
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 14 May 2020 14: 49 New
              0
              money is a measure of labor, at the same time a means of accumulation, exchange. Financial capital has assumed the function of issuing money independent of the amount of labor, as a result there is an excess of money that will be utilized through the crisis (crisis in Greek court). Financial capital is closely linked to the US state machine. Therefore, a script was written for it - scene No. 1 - Baranovirus! the film shows the inside of the crisis in 2008–9 and how US government institutions were affected. This time they came to the crisis more prepared. It's obvious, look at the film, look around, put on the facts of the film a coronary story .....
              Quote: Albert1988
              namely, the first is only one of the participants of the second
              this one participant is trying to take on the unusual functions of the second ...
            3. Albert1988
              Albert1988 14 May 2020 15: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              money is a measure of labor, at the same time a means of accumulation, exchange.

              It's like that)
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Financial capital has assumed the function of issuing money independent of the amount of labor, as a result there is an excess of money that will be utilized through the crisis (crisis in Greek court).

              Here I agree with the role of finance capital, but I do not agree with the thesis about the need to utilize the money supply through the crisis, and here's why. Financial capital, as you rightly said, is closely tied to the United States, although it is rather the US state machine associated with financial capital, and not vice versa. And it is very profitable for this capital to inflate the amount of money supply as much as possible, since the system is such that as long as the dollar is an international currency, it can be printed in the states as much as possible without fear of depreciation! The situation will turn into a disaster only if the rules of the game are violated in this way, or the big players leave the game. There were attempts to get out - in our relations with China, but it is not profitable for China to strongly abandon the greens, since they have these greens at least rowing with a shovel, but they do not want to devalue them ... But breaking the rules - this may well be committed by the Americans themselves - Having "forgiven" part of their debts to China, then the situation may get out of control altogether ...
              But, nevertheless, the economic consequences of the epidemic are not very beneficial for anyone ... Even the USA, since if you arrange a debt war with China, you can inadvertently bring down the whole system ...
            4. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 14 May 2020 16: 57 New
              -1
              Quote: Albert1988
              but I do not agree with the thesis about the need to utilize the money supply through the crisis

              court decision in this case is not subject to appeal laughing
              But, nevertheless, the economic consequences of the epidemic are not very beneficial for anyone ...
              the epidemic is only part of the script for the performance of the world fakir, an illusionist, so to speak smile watch a movie ..
              Quote: Albert1988
              Even the USA, since if you arrange debt wars with China

              financial capital will fight industrial! winked .. it will be interesting to see .. Theoretically, the industrial must win, but there are factors of betrayal, the use of nuclear weapons, informational psychosis, Baranovirus wassat pricing more ...
            5. Albert1988
              Albert1988 14 May 2020 16: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              court decision in this case is not subject to appeal

              The main thing here is not to confuse "God's gift" with scrambled eggs ...
            6. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 14 May 2020 17: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Albert1988
              The main thing here is not to confuse "God's gift" with scrambled eggs ...

              no fried eggs! economic laws as well as physical ones do not depend on our knowledge of them - they are! Remember! - The cost embodied in the product of labor, money is a measure of labor. This is the law.
              Someone who wants to have money without investing labor, ignoring its factor. Crisis, I repeat the court, in Greek. Everything is clear. According to the laws of economic nature, or God if you please smile
  • Tatyana
    Tatyana 13 May 2020 09: 06 New
    +6
    When a power is really insulting
    That's right!

    The parade in R. Belarus was not just excellent, but EXCELLENT!

    I admire the military parade on May 9, 2020 in the Republic of Belarus!
    I fully support the speech of A. Lukashenko!

    And I think that this 75th anniversary military Victory parade May 9, 2020 in the Republic of Belarus definitely go down in world history!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 13 May 2020 09: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Tatiana
      The parade in R. Belarus was not just excellent, but EXCELLENT!

      and this is exactly what will complicate relations between Russia and Belarus, this is not forgiven by some
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 May 2020 11: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Silvestr
        and this is exactly what will complicate relations between Russia and Belarus, this is not forgiven by some

        A colleague, I think that Belarusians do not give a damn about how citizens will treat them in five-star bunkers, the main thing is that now we are proud of the only parade in the post-Soviet space.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 13 May 2020 11: 34 New
          -4
          Quote: Stroporez
          Colleague, I think that Belarusians do not care

          perhaps the Belarusians are not aware of the subsidization of the Russian economy of the Republic of Belarus ....
          if desired, Belarus can be turned into a country similar to the poorest country in Europe.
          1. Darkesstcat
            Darkesstcat 13 May 2020 12: 46 New
            +2
            To the level of Ukraine?
            (not humor, but the blow can be very strong, it is even possible to change the vector of politics and has to go west and make concessions)
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 13 May 2020 13: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: NEOZ
            perhaps the Belarusians are not aware of the subsidization of the Russian economy of the Republic of Belarus ....
            if desired, Belarus can be turned into a country similar to the poorest country in Europe.

            well, money again! Not everything is about money. "What is the strength in, brother?"
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 May 2020 16: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: Silvestr
              Not everything is about money. "What is the strength in, brother?"

              In newtons am Common sense and realism are decided. Otherwise, money will not help.
          3. Overlock
            Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: NEOZ
            perhaps the Belarusians are not aware of the subsidization of the Russian economy of the Republic of Belarus ....

            a little what at once money? do you buy or sell your neighbors?
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 13 May 2020 13: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: Overlock
              a little what at once money?

              of course! you cannot be dependent on subsidies, and independent of those who subsidize ...
              is not it so?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: NEOZ
                of course! you cannot be dependent on subsidies, and independent of those who subsidize ...
                is not it so?

                then the question is: is Russia's external borrowing a sign of strength or weakness?
              2. NEOZ
                NEOZ 14 May 2020 10: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Overlock
                is Russia's foreign borrowing a sign of strength or weakness?

                borrowing and subsidies are two different things! is not it?
                why are you manipulating?
        2. martin-159
          martin-159 14 May 2020 05: 29 New
          -1
          In the sense of joining Russia?
        3. Sergey49
          Sergey49 14 May 2020 13: 35 New
          +1
          If it is only about money, then Belarus will be more profitable to sell to the United States or China. They have more money.
          Probably besides subsidizing, other work is underway.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 14 May 2020 13: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Sergey49
            If it is only about money, then Belarus will be more profitable to sell to the United States or China.

            so did Ukraine and Georgia ... and became the poorest in Europe, having lost all their industrial potential, they turned into banana republics in Europe ...
            PS
            the amount of money the owner does not mean anything, it matters how much the owner is willing to allocate subsidies ...
            PPP
            judging by US subsidies to Ukraine and Georgia ..... US citizens of these countries do not consider people at all.
      2. cost
        cost 15 May 2020 07: 05 New
        +2
        we are proud of the only parade in the post-Soviet space.

        Why the only one? And wasn’t there a Victory Parade in Turkmenistan?
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 13 May 2020 13: 07 New
      +5
      Only our exceptional power holders have the right to publicize on someone’s past merits ..
      But dig deeper - it turns out that we were not alone in fighting with the Polovtsi ..))
  • k.ant
    k.ant 13 May 2020 09: 46 New
    -10
    Women liked the parade, so much enthusiasm for them, right in boiling water.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 13 May 2020 10: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: k.ant
      Women liked the parade, so much enthusiasm for them, right in boiling water.

      And you yourself see how the Belarusian military march at the parade synchronously!

      So many people - and everyone walks like one foot in one leg! And the alignment of the rows in the columns is also amazing!

      This is how much purposeful perseverance and time people need to spend to pass so beautifully in the parade! good

      And the Belarusian partisans - the pride of the country - are not forgotten at the parade either!

      So, MrKant8! Envy must be silent or only white envy. repeat
      1. k.ant
        k.ant 13 May 2020 10: 09 New
        -15
        It is you who envy silently, you have beguiled something, dear :-)
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 13 May 2020 10: 25 New
          +9
          Quote: k.ant
          That you envy silently
          No, really! You can’t put a scarf on someone else’s mouth!
          Quote: k.ant
          right boiling water.
          This is not about me - this is about you!

          I do not envy - but I am delighted!
          To march so cool in the parade, each soldier very much needs to be full of dignity and pride in his country, for his homeland!
          1. k.ant
            k.ant 13 May 2020 13: 07 New
            -5
            Do not continue, calm down and do not take everything so seriously. It is better to do business than to cling to people.
          2. martin-159
            martin-159 14 May 2020 05: 33 New
            +3
            And I envy the Belarusians! And not silently! I watched their parade and envied!
      2. alone
        alone 13 May 2020 10: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Tatiana
        And you yourself see how the Belarusian military march at the parade synchronously!

        Where have you seen soldiers marching at the parade asynchronously? To get synchronism, people march for months
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 13 May 2020 10: 54 New
          -2
          Quote: lonely
          Where have you seen soldiers marching at the parade asynchronously? To get synchronism, people march for months

          The point is not only in the width and synchronism of steps, but also in the height of the legs — in a straight line of socks at the same level of the marching participants of the column in one row.
          1. alone
            alone 13 May 2020 10: 58 New
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            It's not only the width of the steps, but also the height of the legs in the line of socks in a row at the same level

            What you say (stride width, leg height in the line of socks in a row at the same level, etc.) is generally considered a synchronicity .. And this is the result of months of training ..
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 13 May 2020 11: 03 New
              -2
              Quote: lonely
              What you say (stride width, leg height in the line of socks in a row at the same level, etc.) is generally considered a synchronicity .. And this is the result of months of training ..

              Then, if you think, then at the military parades in Moscow the classical synchronism of Russian marching is not always observed. Alas! Since this dignity of synchronization among the marching Belarusians at the parade caught my eye.
            2. alone
              alone 13 May 2020 11: 07 New
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Then, if you think, then at the military parades in Moscow the synchronism of Russian marching is not always observed.

              belay Who told you this and where is the hint in my comments that the marching in Moscow in the parades do not observe synchronism? Are you obviously confused about your guesses
            3. Tatyana
              Tatyana 13 May 2020 11: 26 New
              -1
              Quote: lonely
              where is the hint in my comments that in Moscow at the parades marching do not observe synchronism?

              From your binary system "yes" - "no" it follows logically that synchronicity is either there or not at all. Those. there is no middle ground in assessing the achievement of synchronicity, according to your logic. In your case, the very concept of synchronicity does not provide for a quantitative change when the desired quality is achieved.

              So, the Belarusians passed at the military parade in synchronicity with "excellent" and only a detachment of partisans with "good".
              Well, and accordingly, in comparison with the parades in Moscow, the synchronicity in different units and branches of the military is not always excellent.
              That's why, in particular, I’m saying that the military Victory Parade 2020 in Minsk was EXCELLENT!
            4. alone
              alone 13 May 2020 11: 33 New
              +6
              Quote: Tatiana
              From your binary system "yes" - "no" logically follows,

              I advise you to find in YouTube a parade of Chinese, North Koreans and other countries .. There are a lot of materials. I do not have a binary system in the comments .. It seemed to you ..
              Quote: Tatiana
              Well, and accordingly, in comparison with the parades in Moscow, the synchronicity in different units and branches of the military is not always excellent.

              If there is such a thing (Personally, I have not noticed this), then those who were engaged in the preparation did not do it honestly ..
              Quote: Tatiana
              synchronism is either there or not at all.

              There is no such thing in the Parades, either there or not .. The parade is for the parade so that everything is clear and synchronous
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: Tatiana
          Then, if you think, then at the military parades in Moscow the classical synchronism of Russian marching is not always observed.

          Exactly. Not always.
          Any parade with a "wave".
          Just Red Square is not the best place for parades.
  • Fuethe
    Fuethe 14 May 2020 02: 28 New
    0

    And look, amusing.
    Naval Parade in Papaya. Both Americans and Russians go there. An entertaining video.
    https://ok.ru/video/1247157553664
  • martin-159
    martin-159 14 May 2020 05: 35 New
    +1
    There is nothing to compare with. Where did you see another parade? Last year does not offer.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 13 May 2020 10: 21 New
    -6
    Quote: Tatiana
    The parade in R. Belarus was not just excellent, but EXCELLENT!

    Oh come on. Straight superior? He was ordinary.
    Quote: Tatiana
    And I believe that this 75th anniversary military Victory Parade on May 9, 2020 in Belarus will definitely go down in world history!

    What are you interested in?
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 13 May 2020 10: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: CSKA
      Quote: Tatiana
      And I believe that this 75th anniversary military Victory Parade on May 9, 2020 in Belarus will definitely go down in world history
      What are you interested in?
      This question of yours means that you either didn’t listen to the full speech of A. Lukashenko indistinctly or didn’t listen to it at all - and you still did not understand the essence of the contemporary historical political problem.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 14 May 2020 13: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        This question of yours means that you either didn’t listen to the full speech of A. Lukashenko indistinctly or didn’t listen to it at all - and you still did not understand the essence of the contemporary historical political problem.

        ))))) Well then. A simple question. How will he go down in history? Write do not be shy.
  • indy424
    indy424 14 May 2020 21: 14 New
    -1
    definitely go down in world history! - on the globe of the CIS without a doubt.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 06: 28 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    and in Belarus there are media that pour feces regularly and we have

    Only in our country these are the central channels, and in Belarus there are analogues of Rain.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 May 2020 06: 49 New
      -9
      what are the central channels? in the Republic of Belarus Lukashenko’s turbulence is also transmitted by the central channels. so, what is next? there are statements by top officials of the country. there is public opinion. who among the people here let us care about the color of ribbons among Belarusians? I can dress their flowers if I want, like ours. it doesn't matter at all. I’ll ask anyone about their ribbon - they’ll look at me as a patient.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 06: 53 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        in the Republic of Belarus Lukashenko’s turbulence is also transmitted by the central channels. so, what is next?

        The swirls of the first persons of the state transmit central channels in absolutely all countries. But lies and panic are sown only in some.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 May 2020 07: 12 New
          -5
          started again ... Old Man stole a victory from Putin. Old Man held a parade to spite Putin. should I continue? these are the most popular headlines in the media actually.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 07: 16 New
            21
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Old Man stole a victory from Putin.

            Are you normal what does it have to do with it? Lukashenko directly accused the first channel of lying, and for specific reasons.
            But you do not need the truth, you again start songs in the style of kittens abandoned by Putin. Weak about the specifics? wink
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 13 May 2020 07: 33 New
              +1
              what does it have to do with it? what did you blame? about coronovirus? so let him blame and chase. I'm talking about the parade in Belarus. about which the article itself. and that would not argue for nothing. my favorite city is Gomel. studied at school 27 there. My uncle, the principal, was for many years one of the schools in this city. I go there every year at least once. always by train. on foot I go to Telman Street. near the department store I buy pies with liver and I drink milkshake as in my childhood. I mean, I don’t have to tell what is true and what is not.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 13 May 2020 09: 44 New
                +5
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I do not need to tell what is true and what is not.

                Are you about Gomel or about PARADE?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 13 May 2020 12: 21 New
                  +2
                  about the fact that I do not need to talk about the situation there. any.
          2. Arpad
            Arpad 13 May 2020 11: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            started again ... Old Man stole a victory from Putin. Old Man held a parade to spite Putin. should I continue? these are the most popular headlines in the media actually.

            That's when there is nothing to measure, they begin to measure, who stole victory from whom.
            Delirium
    2. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 13 May 2020 06: 53 New
      +2
      And here is how we will celebrate 100 years and whether we will be at all - the question is still that ...

      At the pace of "development" that has been observed in Russia over the past 20 years, especially in moral terms, I'm sorry, anything can be.

    3. CSKA
      CSKA 13 May 2020 10: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Only here we have central channels,

      And you will not name in what transfer and on what channel feces poured?
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 13 May 2020 07: 54 New
    +8
    It is not a frequent case when the author’s article does not cause me dual feelings. Everything is correct - everyone was based on his own realities. Allowed the threshold to hold a parade, well, did not allow it - we will postpone it to a later date, everyone understands everything.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 13 May 2020 21: 18 New
    0
    Quote: g_ae
    But pouring feces on neighbors, whatever they are, is unworthy for those who consider themselves "heirs" of Victory. It will smell just as bad from the "waterers" as from the watered.


    But for TASS and not such sins are found, nothing. They can.
    In the same way, they behaved in Rossiiskaya Gazeta, Interfax, and Komsomolskaya Pravda. And not only there.

    And no more add!
  • Dimonk
    Dimonk 17 May 2020 02: 27 New
    0
    Yes, Belarus and Belarus began to pour mud on us long ago. And on VO it is direct intensely and in everything: sad Unfortunately this is the policy of our propaganda media controlled by our politicians. But the reason is simple, Lukashenko does not like the company of United Russia with its own policy, which is like a thorn in their eyes. That is the whole reason for this whole mud spraying company. hi
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 13 May 2020 05: 20 New
    -15
    narrow-minded statements by individual media outlets and building conclusions on this is certainly strong ... ribbons are a stumbling block? for whom? in my life I haven’t met anyone whom it at least somehow worried ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 13 May 2020 05: 30 New
      18
      I suspect that the "Day of the People's Unity" will be held with pomp regardless of viruses. but in general, some kind of "sur" ... crept up to the 2nd place for the virus, and they allowed you to work for you ... I'm scared for the country, with such HPP ...
    2. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 13 May 2020 09: 22 New
      16
      Quote: carstorm 11
      narrow-minded statements by individual media outlets and building conclusions on this is certainly strong ... ribbons are a stumbling block? for whom? in my life I haven’t met anyone whom it at least somehow worried ...

      Yes, why only
      statements by individual media

      The Kremlin’s policy with regard to Belarus, and primarily with respect to the Arab League, has long been understood and known.
      Read (source mid.ru)
      May 9, 2020 Turkmenistan hosted solemn events dedicated to the 75th anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War.
      Ambassador of Russia A.V. Blokhin and the delegation of the Ministry of Defense in chapter with Deputy Minister of Defense Colonel General A.V. Fomin took part in the ceremony laying wreaths at the "Eternal Glory" monument at the "People's Memory" memorial complex in Ashgabat.
      A.V. Fomin, speaking at a military parade after President G.M. Berdimuhamedov, he poured over the Turkmen side a copy of the Victory Banner and the genuine banner of the 748th Infantry Regiment 206 of the Red Army Infantry Division, which included Berdymukhamed Annaev, the grandfather of the President of Turkmenistan.
      Russian Ambassador Alexander Blokhin, together with the Embassy staff, took part in the "Immortal Regiment" march, which completed the parade.

      So I do not understand. In Belarus, it is clear that the virus and PAH exposed everyone to mortal danger.
      And in Ashgabat, of course, there was no such danger and could not be. Once about such a danger, our most inappropriate media are silent, and even a whole delegation from the Russian Federation took part in the parade and further passage of the "Immortal Regiment".
      Something this whole situation with Minsk and Ashgabat strongly resembles the situation with the "healing" atmosphere at Moscow construction sites. When someone needs it, we see danger, when someone else really needs it, we no longer see it and everyone is healthy and you can work.

      PS It is already disgusting and disgusting because of all this lies and double standards used by "our" Russian authorities.
      And Minsk and Ashgabat, well done hi .
  • Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 13 May 2020 05: 34 New
    33
    After the Lenin Mausoleum boarded up by plywood on May 9, these are the most shameful shots. Sad, confused, tired, Putin with an extinct look, past which hundreds of soldiers are passing by formation. As if for the infant son of the king, the tin soldiers march. For him alone. If it is dedicated to Victory, then why is there no Victory Banner (copy)? Lukashenko is a completely different matter. Lively, active, with a burning gaze. Why? Yes, because Belarus is developing, and Russia is degrading.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 May 2020 05: 53 New
      21
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      Lukashenko is a completely different matter. Lively, active, with a burning gaze. Why? Yes, because Belarus is developing, and Russia is degrading.

      Bow and respect to comrade Lukashenko did not disgrace the memory of the fathers. My mother fought in the Belarusian partisan detachment. Thank you "dad" for the Victory Day.
    2. Arpad
      Arpad 13 May 2020 06: 05 New
      10
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      If it is dedicated to Victory, then why is there no Victory Banner (copy)? Lukashenko is a completely different matter. Lively, active, with a burning gaze. Why? Yes, because Belarus is developing, and Russia is degrading.

      I think one is normal and the second is normal.
      Everyone approaches the situation from his own vision of the problem and only time will tell who is right.
      Opponents will be found in both approaches (as well as defenders) and, oddly enough, everyone will be right.
      This is the situation for the first time and no one really knows how to deal with it.
      BUT, there is the main thing But Roman clearly indicated this - usurpation on one side of the Victory will not cause anything other than antagonism on the part of the other allies, but a wave of persecution of Lukashenko will cause nothing but resentment.
      And then questions begin - like why they don’t like us, why they don’t believe us, and why they are fleeing us.
      It is still not enough for Belarus to change the vector of relations - friends are inundated.
      No matter how you stay with Syria and Venezuela alone.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 May 2020 06: 54 New
      -12
      if for him one-on tv would not show you. as for the banners, how do you see something? the famous group makes the Victory Banner. and this time endured. can you distinguish red? it is very clearly visible there. every year the Transfigurations endure it. moreover, the carriers are always called by their names and titles.
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 13 May 2020 08: 33 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        if for him one-on tv would not show you.

        If they show you in the zombie house how the tsar and the boyars eat caviar and are cut on a yacht, will you feel involvement too? What can I say ... Specialists in brainwashing are not in vain getting a salary ....
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 May 2020 10: 08 New
          -1
          Firstly, I don’t understand what is common with what I said. If you are interested in who and where that eats, then there are plenty of channels on this topic on YouTube. I'm not an admirer. as for brainwashing, you follow yours please) I saw congratulations and the passage of the famous groups, which is quite normal. the man said that for him alone. I replied that for one TV broadcasts on the country do not suit. why do you get in with your stupidities I do not know. He also answered that the Victory Banner was always carried out.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 13 May 2020 10: 37 New
          -5
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          If they show you in the zombie house how the tsar and the boyars eat caviar and are cut on a yacht, will you feel involvement too? What can I say ... Specialists in brainwashing are not in vain getting a salary ....

          So what do your most truthful communist journalists on a yacht with caviar do not take a picture of?))))) Why can you whine and wag your tongue?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 20: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: CSKA
            So what do your most truthful communist journalists do not take a picture of him on a yacht with caviar?))

            So because they are not invited to the yachts. And they invite ladies of very dubious behavior. If you didn’t think about it, I’m talking about the story with Fish Derepaski. wink
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 14 May 2020 13: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              So because they are not invited to the yachts. And they invite ladies of very dubious behavior. If you didn’t think about it, I’m talking about the story with Fish Derepaski.

              And something I did not understand since when Deripaska in power? Is he an official? Or a minister? He is a businessman, and he has the right to buy a yacht for himself, eat caviar, and let me invite you. As well as in the right of any official if he honestly earned this money. Or have you already become communists and fighters for morality?))))
    4. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 13 May 2020 07: 36 New
      -2
      What is the development of Belarus? At whose expense the development of Belarus? Is it because of the development of Belarus that Belarusians go to work in Russia? Everything is developed at home and now they help us? By the way, loonies also have a burning look and look dashing and silly. By the way, Lukashenko put a uniform on himself. Who is he by rank?
      1. Polochanin
        Polochanin 13 May 2020 19: 41 New
        +7
        Commander in Chief. Builders go to Russia because after 14 years many builders came from Ukraine (cut prices, salaries fell). You will be surprised, but Belarusians eat their bread and a bulb that they themselves raised, so at their own expense. And the money that Russia gives in the form of loans is not a gift.
        1. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 13 May 2020 23: 37 New
          0
          Commander-in-chief is a post and not a rank. Even Stalin, being Supreme, did not wear shoulder straps until he received the rank of Generalissimo. Loans at such interest rates and for such periods are a gift. And at the expense of bulbachka - so I also grow potatoes in the country. But how does this affect the development of the country?
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 13 May 2020 09: 55 New
      11
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      As if for the infant son of the king, the tin soldiers march. For him alone. If it is dedicated to Victory, then why is there no Victory Banner (copy)?

      man created his world and he lives in it. He strove for it! Victory Banner! Did the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier have at least one Red Flag? No. But a bunch of tricolors! And what are they, tricolors, related to Victory? Vlasov - would tell!
      In his speech, he said that the Red Army and the Soviet people won the war. I just didn’t say who they won. Only Polovtsy and Pechenegs.
      And Lukashenko remembered all the winners: he named the largest peoples of the RSFSR, all the Union republics, foreign allies, Belarusians.
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      rusty, bewildered, tired, with an extinct glance, Putin, who passes by a hundred soldiers in formation.

      So we got two parades, one for health, the other for peace.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 30 New
        -4
        Quote: Silvestr
        Vlasov - would tell!

        And also those who died in the Russian-Japanese. In the First World War. In two Chechen wars. In South Ossetia and in Syria.
        You doused them all together in guano.
        For the sake of a red word.
        In order to show their fashionable opposition

        Russophobia in its purest form.

        And do not want to spit guano in the Orthodox crosses and the St. Andrew flag? Also Vlasovites were used ....
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 13 May 2020 11: 55 New
          +8
          Quote: Spade
          And also those who died in the Russian-Japanese. In the First World War. In two Chechen wars. In South Ossetia and in Syria.
          You doused them all together in guano.

          What does tricolor have to do with Victory? The question is simple, the answer is also
          Quote: Spade
          You poured them all together in guano

          Quote: Spade
          Russophobia in its purest form.

          When there are no arguments, insults come into play
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 58 New
            -5
            Quote: Silvestr
            What does tricolor have to do with Victory?

            What do you have to do with Victory? The question is simple, the answer too.

            Quote: Silvestr
            When there are no arguments, insults come into play

            Do you think that you have the privilege of insulting with impunity?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 13 May 2020 12: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: Spade
              What do you have to do with Victory? The question is simple, the answer too.

              direct- my two grandfathers in the land.
              Quote: Spade
              Do you think that you have the privilege of insulting with impunity?

              indicate where hi
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 03 New
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                indicate where

                When guano spat on the flag under which I fought.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 13 May 2020 12: 04 New
                  10
                  Quote: Spade
                  When guano spat on the flag under which I fought.

                  You fought under the tricolor. Thanks you. But what does this flag have to do with the 1945 Victory?
                  Why then everywhere removed the words "red banner" or "twice red banner" Black Sea or Baltic fleet, for example?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 09 New
                    -5
                    Quote: Silvestr

                    You fought under the tricolor. Thanks you. But what does this flag have to do with the 1945 Victory?

                    And what do you have to do with it?
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 13 May 2020 12: 11 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Spade
                      And what do you have to do with it?

                      once again: my two grandfathers are lying in the ground. One in the 43rd, the second in the 44th. I understand that you want to humiliate me, but I have the same attitude to Victory as thousands of these people

                      Are they related to Victory or just you?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 May 2020 12: 14 New
                        -7
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        once again: my two grandfathers are lying in the ground.

                        So what?
                        You are a citizen of a state that did not exist at that time. By your logic, you do not have the right to celebrate.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 13 May 2020 13: 14 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        You are a citizen of a state that did not exist at that time ..

                        with them

                        Quote: Spade
                        By your logic, you do not have the right to celebrate.

                        don't you find? By the way, are you a citizen of a pre-existing state?
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 May 2020 16: 20 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        with them

                        That's it!

                        Quote: Silvestr
                        By the way, are you a citizen of a pre-existing state?

                        I am also a citizen of a previously non-existent state. The flag of which you declared unacceptable at the celebration of Victory Day.
                        Calling it "Vlasov".
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 May 2020 12: 31 New
                -3
                Firstly, the flag of the state is a symbol of it. there is no such state and it is at least strange to demand that everyone go under it. I have already told you that the Banner of Victory is always the first to be brought to the parade. banner group. our army is the heirs and not the army of the USSR. she cannot walk to dress and wear symbols of the state to which she has not sworn. this is reality. The parade itself is a tribute to victory. he is for this and held. get it. all connections that have merit also carry red banners with all regalia. you say strange things. Do you want the army and other units to parade under what they don’t have? cut off chevrons with the Russian flag so that you would not be annoyed? removed all the insignia and modern banners? do you understand what you're talking about?
              3. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 13 May 2020 16: 48 New
                -1
                Quote: Silvestr
                . But what does this flag have to do with the 1945 Victory?

                The Russian Federation is the LEGAL RECEIVER !!! the USSR
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 13 May 2020 18: 36 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  The Russian Federation is the LEGAL RECEIVER !!! the USSR

                  whole USSR or elected? I really do not want to give boring examples with the mausoleum, Stalin, the role of the CPSU (b) and other things.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 13 May 2020 18: 40 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    whole USSR or elected?

                    That's how much we got so much from him.
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    I don’t want to give boring examples

                    Really fed up request Want to take a parade from the mausoleum? Get ready to meet the funnel at night.
                  2. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 14 May 2020 19: 48 New
                    -3
                    Ruslan hi The experience of the Order was accepted by his opponents and also organized. Skomorokhov will not write an article about them; they do not have a big name. Although what am I talking about? Of course I have. Vlasovites. Watch, now they will start to persuade me.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 13 May 2020 10: 34 New
    -5
    Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
    After the Lenin Mausoleum boarded up by plywood on May 9, these are the most shameful shots.

    ))) And what is the shame?
    Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
    Sad, confused, tired, Putin with an extinct look, past which hundreds of soldiers are passing by formation. As if for the infant son of the king, the tin soldiers march. For him alone. If it is dedicated to Victory, then why is there no Victory Banner (copy)?

    Just some kind of nonsense. After speaking about millions of dead, should he stand and laugh? What do you even weave? What infant son of a king, what tin soldiers? Wash just to pour bile?
    Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
    Lukashenko is a completely different matter. Lively, active, with a burning gaze. Why? Yes, because Belarus is developing, and Russia is degrading.

    At the moment, there is a degradation of your brain. Degradation of the Russian Federation in what? In economics, in culture, in foreign or domestic politics? You have nothing to say, your task is simply to mud over everything and everything. The whole country celebrated Victory Day in a global pandemic. All my relatives, friends, acquaintances congratulated each other and celebrated the holiday. And no one remembered the mausoleum which everyone does not care about and everyone reacted normally to the absence of the parade this year. But no, there is a small layer of the population which cannot miss the moment, so as not to ponder about the mausoleum.
    1. Aag
      Aag 14 May 2020 10: 29 New
      +2
      "All my relatives, friends, acquaintances congratulated each other and celebrated the holiday. And no one remembered about the mausoleum that everyone DOESNESS" ...
      Which was required to prove. Therefore, one should not be surprised at the disappearance of the word Red Banner in the name of fleets, units ... So we will be taken far away.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 14 May 2020 13: 20 New
        -2
        Quote: AAG
        QED

        )))) Prove that? What does everyone spit on your mausoleum? So it is clear to everyone. He is not a symbol of victory, he is a symbol of the Communists because of this you whine.
        Quote: AAG
        Therefore, one should not be surprised at the disappearance of the word Red Banner in the name of fleets, units

        Are you out of your mind at all? Should I list the divisions where the word "Red Banner" is used? And even if they did, what next? From this they became less combat-ready?
        Quote: AAG
        So they will lead us far.

        To what? What would remove any communist words and the whole country kapets?))))))
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 13 May 2020 05: 35 New
    13
    Although I do not always agree with Roman, here I completely agree with him. A void in my heart somehow formed, it’s as if something had been robbed of me, as if there was no Victory, everything was crumpled, not intelligible, the president looked confused and tired. I looked at the parades in Minsk and Ashgabat, I wanted to go there so that I could live, so that goosebumps.
    1. U-58
      U-58 13 May 2020 06: 09 New
      +8
      Nominal, balanced assessment of what is happening.
      Many will agree with her.
  • oracul
    oracul 13 May 2020 06: 06 New
    +1
    The adequacy of one or another assessment is determined by practice and time, and not by someone’s reasoning on a given topic. Behavior A. Lukashenko quite clearly defined in recent years and this is alas! not strengthening true alliance, but bidding for any reason in search of benefits for Belarus at the expense of the Russian Federation.
    1. Fevralsk. Morev
      Fevralsk. Morev 13 May 2020 06: 19 New
      -1
      Is it beneficial for Russia that Belarus is our distinct, consistent ally? Profitable. It’s necessary to pay for it, to support it. This is the basis of the foreign policy of the country's leadership, to surround itself with friends, allies, partners and simply really independent (neutral) countries. Do you want Lukashenko to deal with our strategic partners from the peace group of NATO?
      Moreover, Belarus is not trying to sit on the neck of Russia. He wants preferences. So it’s related. This is a business. You can and agree.
      1. purple
        purple 13 May 2020 07: 13 New
        -5
        Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
        Yes, because Belarus is developing, and Russia is degrading.

        Can we then ask the booming Belarus for preferences? And it’s strange as it turns out .. Russia is degrading, and we are also asking for something
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 13 May 2020 09: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: purple
          Can we then ask the booming Belarus for preferences?

          Forgive me, but you always ask those who are developing? Can't live without "asking"?
      2. Mikhail Tynda
        Mikhail Tynda 13 May 2020 07: 39 New
        +3
        What is expressed by the coexistence of the Republic of Belarus? A couple of examples can be?
        1. Polochanin
          Polochanin 13 May 2020 19: 59 New
          +2
          And what is the alliance of Russia in relation to Belarus expressed in? Also a couple of examples, if possible.
          1. Mikhail Tynda
            Mikhail Tynda 13 May 2020 23: 46 New
            0
            At least $ 9 billion annual economic support will go?
            https://www.rbc.ru/economics/02/04/2017/58e026879a79471d6c8aef30
            Here is a reference. But father in what Russia supported? Yes, only lied.
      3. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 13 May 2020 08: 36 New
        12
        Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
        This is the basis of the foreign policy of the country's leadership,

        Well, actually, Russia did not have any friends or allies. Do not agree? Give a list. These very friends.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 13 May 2020 10: 39 New
          -7
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Well, actually, Russia did not have any friends or allies. Do not agree? Give a list. These very friends.

          Just clowning. Do you really have a list of countries with which the Russian Federation has good trade, economic and political relations?
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 13 May 2020 10: 56 New
            +9
            Quote: CSKA
            Just clowning. Do you really have a list of countries with which the Russian Federation has good trade, economic and political relations?

            Ugums. Bring. And do not forget to enter the number one US. But fools are hanging up to smoke from ears about deliveries to them, for example, rd-180.
            So. To refresh the memory. Until the morning of 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, the USSR very briskly traded with the same Germany. Ready to listen to your version of the story. In which we, shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis, against ... Well, there yourself come up against whom.
            And yes. Lists in the studio.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 May 2020 11: 54 New
          -5
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Well, actually, Russia did not have any friends or allies. Do not agree?

          Do you need them?
          Here, for example, the United States is doing fine without them.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            The United States is doing fine without them.

            due to what? Specify ..
        3. musketon64
          musketon64 13 May 2020 13: 20 New
          +1
          Well, actually, Russia did not have any friends or allies. Do not agree? Give a list. These very friends.)))))
          -------------------------------
          Do Russia really need them? Who is China's friend and ally? And nothing, cost something like that. Allies are always expensive and unreliable. Especially those for the money.
          With your first phrase, you immediately (willingly or not) excluded Belarus from the list of friends and allies. Formally, yes, according to paper contracts, but in reality, alas, no longer. Here I agree with you. But for "brotherly" help (for some reason?) They continue to apply regularly. Apparently there is no one else. Well, if only to China. And these guys will not give money for friendship and brotherhood so simply. There they have a whole list of specific conditions. I think that it's time for us to decide - who are you with, Brother? With us, with them, or for himself? You really decide, finally. From this we will build our relationship. And then I'm tired of this burden with this incomprehensible "union state".
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: musketone64
            Who is China's friend and ally?

            Do China and its economy need them?
          2. Polochanin
            Polochanin 13 May 2020 20: 11 New
            +3
            Unfortunately, all the enemies or almost all that are located west of Russia will go through Belarus. And someone will again have to go to the partisans and be the first in Brest to meet the invaders coming to visit you.
            No matter how displeasing Lukashenko is to you, if someone else comes to power, then NATO bases may be on the border of the Smolensk region.
            1. musketon64
              musketon64 13 May 2020 21: 16 New
              -2
              Unfortunately, all enemies or almost all who are west of Russia will go through Belarus.))))))))

              Unfortunately for whom? For Belarus? Who would doubt that. But they can also bypass (to your relief) and go to our "guests" through the same Baltic states or Ukraine. Together with the Ukrainians, by the way. As an infantry. And it's not a fact that Lukashenka will give the order to strike at the flanks of the "adversaries". Your country's legislation seems to prohibit the use of the Belarusian Armed Forces outside the country. This is our ally. There is no hope for him.
              -----------------------------------------------------------------------
              And someone will have to go back to the partisans and be the first in Brest to meet the invaders coming to visit you.)))))))

              There are less and less such selfless people in Belarus every year. A new generation of Belarusians and even more so. These are the realities. Alas.
              -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
              No matter how unpleasant Lukashenko is to you, but if someone else comes to power, then NATO bases may be on the border of the Smolensk region.)))))))))

              NATO bases are already on the border with the Leningrad region. If you didn't know. Lukoshenko is not eternal and sooner or later will leave anyway. The question is, who will he leave behind? Judging by many reviews, including from Belarus, the pro-Russian forces have been thoroughly cleaned out there. Lukoshenko left this field for himself as a lever of pressure on Russia. Like - if not me, then who? And NATO bases near the borders of the Smolensk region are only a matter of time. I myself do not understand: why does Lukoshenka need this idiot with Russia for "independence"? What ambitions? Couldn't be just a loyal ally, friend and Brother? And no one in Russia would ever reproach Belarus with a piece of bread. The latter would be given. And so .... There is no desire to help anymore.
              1. Polochanin
                Polochanin 13 May 2020 22: 08 New
                +3
                Unfortunately, because now not every third person in Belarus will be able to fly in this war, or there may not be any left.
                The fact that young people are skeptical of friendship with Russia is not only Belarus’s fault. And they will primarily protect not you but their families and the land of their ancestors.
                Lukashenko has fewer ambitions for independence than you think. He just as a zealous owner understands that Russian liberals and oligarchs need only property, those state enterprises that want to overcome as there were attempts with MAZ, MZKT and Belaruskali. Or you sell at the price that we specify or you are not friends.
                Something like this I see, and many Belarusians.
                1. musketon64
                  musketon64 15 May 2020 21: 31 New
                  -1
                  The fact that young people are skeptical of friendship with Russia is not only Belarus’s fault. And they will primarily protect you and their families and the land of their ancestors.))))))))

                  Rather, we will have to protect you and the land of our common ancestors. For you can’t do it yourself.
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------
                  He just as a zealous owner understands that Russian liberals and oligarchs need only property, those state enterprises that want to overcome as there were attempts with MAZ, MZKT and Belaruskali. Or you sell at the price that we specify or you are not friends.))))))

                  This is a very simplified interpretation for the Belarusian inhabitants. In reality, Belarusian enterprises are in dire need of investment. An offer was made to buy out (and not "squeeze out") these enterprises at a certain cost in order to invest money in their own property, and not someone else's. According to the logic of a zealous owner, as you say so. Lukashenka raised the price, which did not suit the notorious Russian oligarchs (can you name them?) And everyone went their separate ways. You are constantly being told that the Russian oligarchs are asleep and see how to squeeze and destroy the Belarusian property, and only the Old Man stands in the way of the greedy plunderers. For a better understanding of the relationship between Belarus and the Russian Federation, I can recommend you to look at the opinion of Belarusian Vladimir Trukhan in the PolitWera blog. Here is one in the series: https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = iGoJPH3Sx9s & list = PL_tmguhpS2HW1bKiPUIZOVLK3hX0fTTSC & index = 17
        4. Svarog51
          Svarog51 14 May 2020 19: 52 New
          -4
          Army and Navy. Russia has only two friends. If you do not know about it - my regrets.
      4. Aag
        Aag 14 May 2020 10: 40 New
        +2
        So I think: LAS categorically opposed the desire of the Russian olegarchs to launch thieves ’hands in Belarus.
    2. AUL
      AUL 13 May 2020 08: 03 New
      +9
      Quote: oracul
      bidding for any reason in search of benefits for Belarus at the expense of the Russian Federation.

      Do you reproach Lukashenko that he seeks profit for his country, and does not crawl without soap with his help to everyone who just does not ask, although his people are sitting with a naked waist?
      1. musketon64
        musketon64 13 May 2020 09: 58 New
        -1
        I, personally, first of all reproach Putin, because "he climbs without soap with his help to everyone who just does not ask." But from your words, we can conclude that it is Putin who is climbing with his help to Lukashenka, and not Lukashenka who constantly goes to Putin for help, begging for money and preferences, looking for "benefits for his country." It turns out that if Lukashenka is looking for benefits for his country, then he is great. If Putin, acting in the interests of Russia, sets conditions for receiving aid for Lukashenka and his "lukanomiki", then he immediately turns out to be the last villain trying to strangle fraternal, but proud and independent Belarus. Personally, I expect a Trump-style policy from Putin - "Russia first." Well, and the rest ... insofar as they are useful for Russia. I myself got rid of these "brotherly" illusions long ago. I have the impression that it is easier to come to an agreement with the Germans, Turks and Finns than with the "brothers."
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 13 May 2020 09: 58 New
        +8
        Quote: AUL
        You reproach Lukashenko for seeking profit for his country

        Is it really bad? Beneficial to the country, beneficial to people. And vice versa. The door was slammed on Salman, oil prices fell, the ruble soared, people became poorer
  • Olegater
    Olegater 13 May 2020 06: 06 New
    +5
    Good morning, dear forum users!
    Comparing the two parades in Minsk and Moscow, I wonder. If the virus is not so dangerous, then why didn’t this happen in Moscow, as in fraternal Belarus, as the AUTHOR correctly says? And if it is very dangerous, then you begin to look at the Old Man with distrust.
    And here it is necessary, you even need to shake the bureaucrats from health care! Tell us wise and wretched, what did we encounter with another flu? Or is it the use of biological sabotage? If sabotage, then Putin is right in introducing restrictions, if this is all contrived, then I congratulate you on the first time forum users canceled the parade. Use case created. No matter what the reason, they could have come up with it, and so the virus and all that.
    I didn’t want to .... upset my partners.
    And we will not see more parades. Forget it all.
    Sorry if something is wrong.

    In the war against Nazism, Nikolashka 2 defeated (if that’s a joke).
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 06: 50 New
      14
      Quote: Olegater
      And if it is very dangerous, then you begin to look at the Old Man with distrust.

      If the virus is so dangerous, why are the restrictive measures being removed now? After all, the number of infected people is currently growing, but not falling. wink
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 13 May 2020 07: 10 New
        12
        Good morning, dear Ingvar72!
        I write with reservations, not affirm. A lot of incomprehensible with this virus and actions .... (Well, you understand who). My opinion is that a lot is being solved under the guise of fighting the virus. And it is not clear why there is an increase in diseases, and then bam and the abolition of idiotic self-isolation, harsh measures had to be introduced earlier, when tens of people were counting. To issue according to all the rules, and not so that weak? So ask yourself why it happened. The results of the action ..... vskidku:
        The parade is canceled, (the mausoleum remained covered by plywood)
        Small and medium business is over.
        Social upheavals from the robbery of the authorities, BEFORE, are suspended by self-isolation. But this does not mean that it will not "explode" with great force.
        Caught up on people.
        Well, raped loot from sales of masks and antiseptics. Pharmaceutical companies in chocolate. Once again.
        Introduced repressive measures. And they worked digitalization. They saw how people became obedient or twisted them more stronger.
        Well, a parade of suverinetet in the regions, how could without it.
        He pulled away from the leadership of the country and thinks that he will have nothing to do with it.
        But in the end it will not be as these authorities intended. Not at all like that.

        If you have something to supplement, I will be very grateful!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 07: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Olegater
          If you have something to supplement, I will be very grateful!

          Everything to the point. hi
          1. Olegater
            Olegater 13 May 2020 07: 42 New
            +6
            Someone does not like the results that are given here. The Herods have pinned laughing laughing
            1. AUL
              AUL 13 May 2020 08: 09 New
              +5
              Quote: Olegater
              The Herods have pinned

              Neglect!
              1. Olegater
                Olegater 13 May 2020 08: 14 New
                +3
                Good morning dear AUL!
                Thanks you.
                Health and good mood to you and all forum users.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 13 May 2020 10: 00 New
                  +7
                  Olegator, you clearly outlined that everywhere you go, there’s a political and moral wedge when the head of state has partners in oil and gas, and not his own powerful and self-sufficient industry.
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Olegater
              The Herods have pinned

              all. what can they
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Olegater
          But in the end it will not be as these authorities intended. Not at all like that.

          there is nothing to supplement. It will be so. "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk on them."
      2. Sector
        Sector 13 May 2020 13: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Olegater
        And if it is very dangerous, then you begin to look at the Old Man with distrust.

        If the virus is so dangerous, why are the restrictive measures being removed now? After all, the number of infected people is currently growing, but not falling. wink

        The authorities decided to draw after the Western countries, like how they cherish the people .. And in the process it turned out the opposite .. They went back and forth and try to drown out the children’s payments, their cant ..
        If you raise the statistics, how many people died during household quarrels and other disassemblies during this time, you can be horrified. I am silent about those who lost their jobs and in general ..
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 13 May 2020 10: 03 New
      10
      Quote: Olegater
      If sabotage, then Putin is right in introducing restrictions, if this is all contrived, then I congratulate you on the first time forum users canceled the parade.

      I don’t understand myself!
      “The parade was canceled in Moscow, but held in Minsk. Putin thinks about everyone and even went to the cancellation of the parade, if only to preserve the health of citizens!
      And after 3 days, the same president addressed the people, declaring quarantine and restoring the normal functioning of the economy from tomorrow.
      Is there an epidemic or not?
      If the statistics do not lie and there is an epidemic, then how could one propose a universal exit from quarantine? After all, it will be worse than the parade! Millions will get sick!
      And if statistics are lying and there is no pandemic, why quarantine, close production, plant millions of people on bread and water, and ban the Victory Parade?
      Or three days ago the epidemic was terrible, and three days later - ended? "
      ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/111926/35915/-
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 13 May 2020 10: 28 New
        +4
        Good afternoon, dear Silvestr!
        Here, all forum users noted that it is not clear with this virus whether there is a pandemic or an epidemic, I don’t know how to correctly. Correctly the author asks questions. If so, what are some specific symptoms, they wrote one thing, and then they add, it may develop, they mislead the population. It is incomprehensible going on with the media coverage (it’s clear that the garbage can), and on the Internet there’s a mess going on. Well, why there are no detailed explanations from officials? And why is it allowed to go outside three days after Victory Day (maybe they waited for the date to pass)? Perhaps the question is out of place. It’s clear to me personally.

        The ban on the parade still comes around to everyone involved in indecency. It will be a pity they will not ask. The authorities simply once again showed their attitude to history and our memory.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 13 May 2020 10: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: Olegater
      Tell us wise and wretched, what did we encounter with another flu? Or is it the use of biological sabotage?

      How much can you tell the raw and wretched about him, what would drown you? Of course, this is sabotage. Probably the USA is against itself and the whole world. And maybe the Chinese are against the whole world. Probably the global crisis is beneficial to everyone.
      Quote: Olegater
      If sabotage, then Putin is right in introducing restrictions, if this is all contrived, then I congratulate you on the first time forum users canceled the parade.

      Well, of course, Putin personally came up with it on purpose, to cancel the parade. He re-equipped the army and participated in the immortal regiment all this time, so that he would be able to cancel the Victory Parade.
      Quote: Olegater
      I didn’t want to .... upset my partners.
      And we will not see more parades. Forget it all.

      Of course we will see them, but it’s better not to see such whiners like you.
    4. Alf
      Alf 13 May 2020 20: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Olegater
      In the war against Nazism, Nikolashka 2 defeated (if that’s a joke).


      Already not funny.
  • really
    really 13 May 2020 06: 20 New
    0
    As I remember now, at -40 to the dining room we’ll build a song in cotton in a circle, with flu, it’s straightforward, we don’t build without songs and. And now the question is which solution is not right.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 13 May 2020 06: 31 New
      -6
      “Practice is the criterion of truth”
      Briefly ...
      1 Election of the President of the Republic of Belarus in 2020 (Belarusian. Vybary of the Republic of Belarus 2020) - the sixth regular election of the Belarusian president, which is expected no later than August 30, 2020
      They talked about moving to September

      2. Minsk is completely confused: Wars are not ours, but victories are ours
      Literally: "Lukashenko said:

      “Now we decide our own issues, we decide our own destiny. But the most important thing is Belarus, and Kazakhstan as well, they have always been under someone's whip, that's how I often say. Who pushed us, someone tried to kneel to deliver, especially Belarus. All these wars are not our wars! "


      3. Belarus is essentially banned from the "Immortal Regiment", alas, is already perceived as given. Lukashenko has repeatedly stated that he is categorically against the “Regiment”. Allegedly, the action “Belarus remembers” is exactly the same.

      Is it just that the President would have carried a portrait?

      4. At the Belarusian parade was missing an integral part of the symbol of Victory - the guards tape. In Belarus, it has long been replaced by a faceless apple ribbon.

      5 . The ceremonial speech of the Belarusian president was a lot of understatements ... and again towards Russia

      Over the past few months, an appropriate information background has been created in which a total contrast is seen, in fact, with the Russian leadership

      6. The epidemiological situation and the spread of COVID-19 in the world
      as of 08.00 (Moscow time) from 12.05.2020 g
      Russia - just revealed -221344 ... for 11 05-11656 --- all died -2009 - for 11 05 -94 people
      Belarus -32906-933-135-4
      https://www.rospotrebnadzor.ru/region/korono_virus/epid.php
      1. Arpad
        Arpad 13 May 2020 07: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: To be or not to be
        the sixth regular election of the Belarusian president, which is expected no later than August 30, 2020
        They talked about moving to September

        What's the problem with that? the conversation is not about postponing for years?

        Quote: To be or not to be
        2. Minsk is completely confused: Wars are not ours, but victories are ours
        Literally: "Lukashenko said:

        He put it quite accurately, you just did not understand.
        He said that there are more wars of one egg and who wants to raise someone from his knees, and who to deliver is not his war, but Victory - he meant victory in the Second World War - as I understand it
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Belarus, in fact, banned the "Immortal Regiment", alas, is already perceived as given. Lukashenko has repeatedly stated that he is categorically against the “Regiment”. Allegedly, the action “Belarus remembers” is exactly the same.

        and so what?
        Someone celebrate this way, someone else.
        Until I do not remember about 10 years ago, nobody knew anything about the Immortal Regiment, and under Stalin, they did not celebrate Victory Day?
        Who is right and why should everyone do just like in Russia, and if not, then at least the enemies?
        In my understanding - the main thing that would be remembered, but the form does not play a role.
        Quote: To be or not to be
        4. At the Belarusian parade was missing an integral part of the symbol of Victory - the guards tape. In Belarus, it has long been replaced by a faceless apple ribbon.

        Again you are talking about the same thing - since when did the guards tape symbolize victory on a global scale (as Chapaev would say)?
        And if in Belarus there are ribbons of a different color, then are they accomplices of the fascists?
        Quote: To be or not to be
        5 . The ceremonial speech of the Belarusian president was a lot of understatements ... and again towards Russia

        There are graters, there are questions for Russia - but again, what is the connection with Victory Day?
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Over the past few months, an appropriate information background has been created in which a total contrast is seen, in fact, with the Russian leadership

        Well, it’s worth noting that this is at least mutual, but I would say that Lukashenko doesn’t wash the floor through the Russian central channels.
        Quote: To be or not to be
        6. The epidemiological situation and the spread of COVID-19 in the world
        as of 08.00 (Moscow time) from 12.05.2020 g
        Russia - just revealed -221344 ... for 11 05-11656 --- all died -2009 - for 11 05 -94 people

        All these statistics are bullshit.
        Nobody knows the truth, especially by the number of dead
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 13 May 2020 08: 58 New
          -6
          Weakly working guys from the psycho propaganda Do not set off ..
          From the latest news from beautiful Belarus: "23 hours ago - On the eve and after the Victory Day on May 9, the Belarusian authorities detained more than 100 opposition bloggers, journalists and subscribers ..."
          1. Arpad
            Arpad 13 May 2020 09: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Weakly working guys from the psycho propaganda Do not set off ..
            From the latest news from beautiful Belarus: "23 hours ago - On the eve and after the Victory Day on May 9, the Belarusian authorities detained more than 100 opposition bloggers, journalists and subscribers ..."

            Are you talking to me?
            Strange.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: To be or not to be
            From the latest news from beautiful Belarus: "23 hours ago - On the eve and after the Victory Day on May 9, the Belarusian authorities detained more than 100 opposition bloggers, journalists and subscribers ..."

            is it bad or good I don’t understand
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 13 May 2020 14: 05 New
              -3
              When they come for you, you will understand ..
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 13 May 2020 14: 09 New
                +3
                Quote: To be or not to be
                When they come for you, you will understand ..

                threat or providence? If you have already brought a fact, then explain it in at least your own words.
              2. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 13 May 2020 14: 09 New
                +2
                There is a famous phrase of a German pastor.
                “When the Nazis seized the Communists, I was silent: I was not a Communist.
                When they imprisoned the Social Democrats, I was silent: I was not a Social Democrat.
                When they grabbed union members, I was silent: I was not a union member.
                When they came for me there was no one to stand up for me. ”
                “When did they come ...” is a quote from the speeches of the German pastor Martin Niemelller, with whom he tried to explain the inaction of German intellectuals and their non-resistance to the Nazis.
                In November 1945, Nimöller visited the former Dachau concentration camp, where he was a prisoner from 1941 to April 1945.
                And here you don’t understand, only cleaning up the information field before the elections and removing opponents
                ..toli fight against prejudice .. ?????
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 20: 57 New
                +5
                Quote: To be or not to be
                When they come for you, you will understand ..

                You look at the ethical and moral character of these opposition Belarus. We have their direct counterparts sitting on government support. I would be glad if they came for Gozman, Chubais, Gref. For Hakomada and Sobchak. But no, the authorities will not touch them, because it is pursuing the wrong goals. hi
      2. 1500014781401
        1500014781401 13 May 2020 09: 34 New
        +6
        About our war, it’s a shame for an adult to repeat Russian fakes released at the height of Lukashenko’s visit to the Middle East. You all tried to send us to look for oil in other markets, so he went to solve this issue. And what was he supposed to do? Last year, instead of oil, they sent to the Belarusian oil refineries a refrigerated sabotage fraction against a union country in order to disable its oil refinery. Until now, a reversed fraction has been pumped back through Belarus. Moreover, due to Belarus. Russia does not intend to pay for its sabotage. According to the French press, an article in December 2019, Europeans are going to bill Russia 2 billion, not 800 million according to Tatneft. If Russia does not pay with us for sabotage, what would you advise us to do? Can we file a class action lawsuit with the Europeans? What is your opinion? Advise. So we are looking for other sources of raw materials. What would you do in our place?
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 13 May 2020 10: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: To be or not to be
        3. Belarus is essentially banned from the "Immortal Regiment", alas, is already perceived as given. Lukashenko has repeatedly stated that he is categorically against the “Regiment”. Allegedly, the action “Belarus remembers” is exactly the same.

        Is it just that the President would have carried a portrait?

        The Coordinating Council of the popular procession "Immortal Regiment" of April 19, 2019:
        "Not recommended" during the "Immortal Regiment" march on May 9, 2019 "use" of portraits of Generalissimo I. Stalin, marshals of Victory and Soviet symbols in the form of Soviet banners and the state flag of the Soviet Union "
        This regiment?
      4. tveritianin
        tveritianin 13 May 2020 12: 11 New
        +2
        You are absolutely right: first, not our wars, and then our victory. First, to scold Russia for closing the borders, and then to say that “our brotherly Russia, dear to us,” is doing the right thing. He's like that everywhere. First, call Russia, slander various nasty things about it, and then come and ask for discounts and other preferences.
        Those who watched the entire parade in Belarus should have heard where it started. And it began with the words of the hosts that the parade is taking place in the INDEPENDENT Republic of Belarus! At the same time, the words INDEPENDENT were repeated several times, apparently, for better assimilation by those watching abroad. I have never heard before in Russia before the parade they said that it was taking place in the INDEPENDENT Russian Federation! And in other republics of the former Union this is not practiced. And here, especially for us.
        What about speech? If you are holding a parade dedicated to a certain event (by the way, neither the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus, nor the first person of the Republic of Belarus said the Parade is dedicated to anything. Simply: "They were built for the Parade"), then why are you molding politics here (Mir went crazy, etc.), who gave you the right to read the notations to the World ?!
        And what about the message that Belarus has overshadowed the rest of the territory, taking the brunt? It was not Belarus that fought, but the Red Army of the USSR. It was she - the Red Army was killed in Brest and near Mogilev, delaying the advance of the Nazis to the east, and not the mythical Belarus! This is somewhat reminiscent of another "brotherly people" who dug the Black Sea, liberated Auschwitz, and hoisted the Victory Banner over the Reichstag. Belarus came face to face with fascism with the widespread deployment of the partisan and underground movement, for which HER GREAT GLORY FOREVER! My father has been in the partisans since 1941 and was a participant in the partisan parade on July 17, 1944 in Minsk. Therefore, one should not confuse what happened in reality with the desire to exalt the imaginary from the standpoint of today!
        I myself was born in the Republic of Belarus and stand by the mountain for it, but since some time I have not only been harassed by the statements and actions of individuals, both here and primarily with them, but also directly offend. If we are together, then we must be to the end and in everything! And if national interests, then let's not confuse Wishlist and the desires of some with Wishlist and the desires of others. Then tobacco apart and only business national interests. And you can be friends in different ways. They are friends with us in this way: when we need support from them, they are sovereign and multi-vector, and when they need, we are obliged!
        He held a Parade and God be with him. After this, citizens will become ill or not, this is also his concern. We have nothing to climb into it. It is not only necessary to make the election policy out of this and cover the leadership of your country.
        And as for our Guarantor, I will say this: it seems to him that he himself was extremely uncomfortable that day, but he made his choice as he saw fit. That's why He and the Guarantor (President). And it is impossible under any circumstances to equate the Parade in Moscow, where there is more population than in the whole of Belarus with the Parade in Minsk. We spent it in Moscow and we would not know what the consequences would be for Moscow, given the population density. One thing is clear, that the number of cases would be definitely much larger than now.
        But the parade will be! And this is the main point!
        In general, the parade in Minsk was not a parade dedicated to this date. It was an annual event held on that day. If there was a desire to mark this date, it would be appropriate to put at the forefront that this is the Victory of the Soviet people, of which Belarus was a part (then there were no citizens of the Republic of Belarus, there were citizens of the USSR), then, I think, no one would the hand didn’t even raise a letter to write abusive to the AHL!
        And the last: everyone who noted here has their SOVEREIGN opinion on this issue. But to get personal, to blame for your Country and its President is the last thing. We may have different views on events, but we have ONE Country! We should discuss how to make it better, and not brand and label!
        1. 1500014781401
          1500014781401 13 May 2020 14: 55 New
          +3
          very angry and absolutely not to the point. Listen to what Lukashenko said, at least once without slop in his direction, and then speak.
        2. 1500014781401
          1500014781401 13 May 2020 14: 59 New
          +9
          this is what the Kremlin told you. In fact, everything is a bit wrong.

          Belarus (and other republics) was FORCIDED out of the alliance with Russia. For Russian thieves did not want all sorts of nationalities to be hidden beneath their feet when they would tarnish the legacy of the USSR.
          After тинytin 20 years ago refused to build an equitable alliance with Belarus and all these 20 years have carefully emphasized and CREATED the difference between Belarus and Russia, Belarus did not have much choice.

          To begin with, Belarus from the very beginning declared itself to be a part of the USSR - returning the flag and coat of arms, preserving the Russian language, betting on an alliance with Russia. But since the Kremlin continued to play Great-Russian chauvinism, and most importantly, to DESTROY EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE USSR, demarches followed:
          - "Belarus remembers" is a reminder that the Victory was won not by Russia, but by the USSR
          - the red-green ribbon is the color of the SOVIET flag of Belarus (instead of the Russian version, which has lost contact with the USSR)
          - Other, seemingly unpleasant actions, again have their motivation to resist the growing chauvinism and anti-Sovietism of Russia.
          - The immortal regiment is not prohibited. Forbidden Russian interpretation thereof. Because Russia does not really remember about non-Russians.

          (purely for reference. On the website of the Russian Ministry of Defense (where they claim that there is information about ALL Soviet soldiers) I did not find a mention of my grandfather - and he fought in the Far East, and in the Arctic, and Koenigsberg took ... He was a Red Army personnel officer, with a fucking track record - there aren’t so many even among the heroes. So don’t talk about the immortal regiment ... turned the holy into political mud)

          Not Russia won. He defeated the USSR. He won the union of Russia, Belarus and other republics.

          The faster you Russians understand this, the more likely you will be able to prevent the victory of fascism at home. In the meantime, you are irresistibly slipping into it - into Nazism. The worst thing is that this is precisely what the State Department’s idea consists of. Turn Russia into a fascist state - and finally rewrite History.
          turn
          1. DDT
            DDT 13 May 2020 15: 34 New
            0
            Neither add nor take away Lyudmila. By the way, not only in relation to Belarus. To our great regret, even Comrade Could not erase Great Russian chauvinism from simple Russian. Stalin with his draconian methods. The Russian people have not yet grown to equal alliances. Everything imagines itself to be an older brother.
            What a shame, your own "great Russian people", "great Russian hero" is possible. Even if it is Skobelev, Krasnov, Vlasov ... But others cannot do that. Bulbash, lumps, Bandera, black. The Russian language is great and mighty. Unfortunately, the carriers of this language have only the larynx instead of the head. hi
            1. 1500014781401
              1500014781401 13 May 2020 17: 55 New
              +4
              it’s also my relative who finished writing about the search for grandfather, not to open the second account
        3. Polochanin
          Polochanin 13 May 2020 20: 40 New
          +3
          Tell me, is it not the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic that lost every third resident in the Second World War? Or did they not fight at all? And during the defense of Moscow and Leningrad there were no ethnic Belarusians. In general, one gets the impression that only the Russians won the Great Patriotic War.
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 21: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: tveritianin
          He is everywhere like that. First, call Russia, say various nasty things to her, and then come and ask for discounts and other preferences.

          You will analyze the behavior of your wife, and you will find a lot in common with what you said. wink
      5. Overlock
        Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Briefly ...
        1 Election of the President of the Republic of Belarus in 2020 (Belarusian. Vybary of the Republic of Belarus 2020) - the sixth regular election of the Belarusian president, which is expected no later than August 30, 2020
        They talked about moving to September

        and we have a vote on constitutional amendments. Which is better or worse?
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 13 May 2020 13: 57 New
          -1
          1. The election is to the fact that the excessive thirst for power and spit on everything ... At all costs to stay on the throne .. a devil of all post-Soviet rulers
          2. Samyorem here - it's time to change the Yeltsin Constitution. The process gradually began and again yelled .. This is. Evident. and there is a Russian character wink
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 13 May 2020 14: 12 New
            +6
            Quote: To be or not to be
            1. The election is to the fact that the excessive thirst for power and spit on everything ... At all costs to stay on the throne .. a devil of all post-Soviet rulers

            Putin too?
            Quote: To be or not to be
            2. Samyorem here - it's time to change the Yeltsin Constitution. The process began gradually and again yelled

            who is yelling? People were peacefully drinking vodka after the New Year, and suddenly someone yelled - "we are changing the constitution." There is no need to pass off the desire of one person for the desire of everyone and, even more, for

            Quote: To be or not to be
            Russian character
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2020 21: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: To be or not to be
            The process gradually began and again yelled.

            Is the protection of animal rights in the constitution a process of changing Pendosovo-Yeltsin attitudes? belay Or should amendments to pay and indexation of pensions be in the constitution? And is it possible that the mention in the constitution of the state-forming status of the Russian language will protect it from a flurry of Anglicisms planted from above?
            Do you really believe what you say? Or did Fedorov's mantras blind your eyes?
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 13 May 2020 06: 39 New
      0
      Quote: really
      As I remember now, at -40 to the dining room we’ll have a song in cotton in a circle

      The commander of such brave soldiers, in this case, must be driven out of the army.
  • Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh 13 May 2020 06: 32 New
    +4
    Well done Belarusians - they didn’t allow epidemics and Victory Day was properly celebrated!
    Congratulations to the brotherly people!
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 13 May 2020 06: 36 New
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    But the parade was not only in Belarus, but also in Turkmenistan! Yes, even compared with Belarus it is very modest, but it was! And the immortal regiment was there! Because they remember. And in our capital, the victorious policemen detained those who tried to lay flowers at the monuments of soldiers. The occupation authorities have long usurped the right to victory and are gradually erasing it from our memory.
    By the way, in Soviet times, the symbol of Victory was a red ribbon, not Georgievskaya. Is it not with her substitution that we began to take away the Victory?
    1. DDT
      DDT 13 May 2020 15: 37 New
      +3
      Taking off my hat. You all correctly noticed. Unfortunately, they did not transfer to the RSFSR all the kulakism and royal lackeys. There, bloody great martyr announced. Monuments Skobelev and Mannerheim built. And screaming about fraternal peoples indecent. Why doesn’t the article on stirring up interethnicity work? hi
      1. soloveyav
        soloveyav 13 May 2020 16: 58 New
        +2
        And let me ask you what Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev does not suit you? Despite the fact that in principle I share the indignation with installing the Mannerheim board.
        1. DDT
          DDT 13 May 2020 17: 07 New
          +5
          You see, my ancestors fought for the Soviet Union, and before that, AGAINST the Russian Empire. Paradox, right? Therefore, I and my all love the USSR and heartily hate RI.
          I myself am from Central Asia, and we still remember the executioner Jizzak and Kokand. Therefore, I do not understand the position of the authorities, of the new Russian Federation. Either we are together, and then if you please respect our monastery. Or we are not together, and then bribes from ALL are smooth.
          1. soloveyav
            soloveyav 13 May 2020 17: 29 New
            +3
            I understood your position. And this is not a paradox, I personally know a man whose ancestors fought on two sides in the Soviet-Polish war, there are many such stories in the vastness of the former USSR. Empires expanded, often by military methods, and where there is war and death. But the nuance is that Russia is still a state declaring succession, including from the Russian Empire, which means the heroes of the Republic of Ingushetia are the heroes of the Russian Federation. And Mannerheim is a Finnish national hero, and in the history of what is happening on the territory of today's Russia, he is an accomplice of Hitler, who had previously served Russia, so let the Finns put down monuments to him and they did the right thing on the board. Similarly, for you, the heroes are those who fought against the Russian troops, and in Uzbekistan this period of history is revered, and you have the right to it, and for most Russians it is those who killed their ancestors. And the USSR, unfortunately or fortunately (here everyone has their own opinion, and I didn’t make the USSR judge at a reasonable age), collapsed 29 years ago, and there is no turning back.
            1. DDT
              DDT 13 May 2020 17: 39 New
              +4
              I completely agree, with the addition that Mannerheim was the hero of the RI of the First World War. As a man in the street, it doesn't bother me that you erect monuments to him, it bothers me that the others are not given monuments. Judge for yourself, Bendera, People's Hero of Ukraine. He fought with the fascists, fought with the communists, forgiving the Soviet regime. But his descendants are "skakuas". It is time for the authorities of the Russian Federation to decide what information war is and how it will affect their inept attempt USSR 2.0 For example, I am for the USSR with all my hands and feet, but reading and analyzing the attitude of the "Great Russians" I begin to understand that you cannot cook porridge with Russia. Because if a country exalts its "small-town" ones to the detriment of the general, then the country, the leadership and the people are not ready for the "global" heroes. And why then fence the garden?
              1. soloveyav
                soloveyav 13 May 2020 17: 52 New
                +2
                On the issue of Ukraine and Belarus, bitterness is higher because these territories are much closer to Russia in terms of population and mentality, no matter what they say, and the countries of Central Asia have never been perceived in essence, there are fewer issues with them in the mass consciousness - other peoples, religions, traditions and customs. Plus, in 1919 - 1928 some territories were transferred to Ukraine and Belarus, and later Crimea was transferred to Ukraine as well, and this, from my point of view, was a mistake if these programs weren’t for Russian essentially regions and then the war and such an aggravation of relations would hardly have begun. From Asian countries, such exacerbations are possible only with Kazakhstan, where there was a unique situation in general - formally the titular nation was not the majority, and there are still areas with a large Russian population.
                1. soloveyav
                  soloveyav 13 May 2020 17: 57 New
                  +2
                  And with global heroes there are also problems - who is the enemy for some heroes for others, for example, the same Soviet heroes in the Baltic states are not held in high esteem. And in disputes whose heroes are more important, several world wars can be held. And given the civil wars within one nation ... This war will never end. Unless, like the Chinese, try to mix everyone, and those who are against building (like the same Tibet and Uighras). What does not insure against civil wars.
                2. DDT
                  DDT 13 May 2020 18: 02 New
                  +3
                  Suppose, but are you going to build a new alliance with them? Not with the territories, but with the population? And therefore the Russian Federation would be worth holding horses? I mean the media. They form the views of the common people, and not government decisions. You will walk around the site. Except for television, it does more harm to create a new alliance with such sites. But people read, watch and strangely think too. Maybe the Russian Federation, if there is really hope for the restoration of the USSR, it would be worth to diminish and shut up the natspatov? Or do the Russian authorities think to solve everything by military means?
                  1. soloveyav
                    soloveyav 13 May 2020 18: 12 New
                    +6
                    I’m generally a citizen of Belarus, although Russian by nationality, so formally I’m on the other side of the barrier hi . But there is essentially no hope for the restoration of the USSR, because the USSR is not only a territory but also a completely different economy, a management system, a system of relations between peoples. And personally, my feeling is that most of the USSR is not needed by the forest, people are used to living in a different way, and many will have nowhere to go back to the USSR, it is enough for them to join territories with Russian or pro-Russian people. And many media outlets in Russia are a separate madhouse, and by the way, they, according to my observations, also do not like Russians, to put it mildly) Namely, they shut up Russian nationalists for a very long time, about 12 years ago.
                  2. soloveyav
                    soloveyav 13 May 2020 18: 37 New
                    +6
                    And the authorities of the Russian Federation decided to go by creating a new community - the Russians, which unites all the inhabitants of the territory of the Russian Federation, and everything is used to unite. It is the Russians as a separate nation that they do not particularly need.
                    1. DDT
                      DDT 13 May 2020 19: 33 New
                      +2
                      Sorry, you're right. But then sites like this one are not needed.
          2. musketon64
            musketon64 13 May 2020 20: 16 New
            +5
            You still did not answer the question of why M.D. Skobelev ..
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            Therefore, I and my all love the USSR and heartily hate RI.))))))))

            And you lived under the Russian Empire, that would hate her so much? Or the Mongols? The same cool, as historians write, treated rebellious people. Others hate Stalin, no less than yours. Especially those who were born much later after his death. These to him have their own accounts, and at the same time to the Land of Soviets. Paradox. Truth? I was born in the USSR and I have absolutely no hatred for RI and Stalin. This is our story. Everything happened. And the Russian people oppressed no less than yours. Or maybe more. Or during the bays and emirs to you in Central Asia, one must assume that life was much better and freer?
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            You see, my ancestors fought for the Soviet Union, and before that, AGAINST the Russian Empire. ))))))))

            The Soviet Union did not emerge from scratch, but on the ruins of the Russian Empire. And practically within the same boundaries. There would be no Empire, there would be no you in the USSR. But when the Soviets took you back into their membership, you resisted no less fiercely and your hatred was no less. What actually happened during the elimination of Basmachism in Central Asia. How much effort, money and sacrifice did it cost the Soviet Union? How many Russian peasants - Red Army men - died in the struggle "for the happiness of the oppressed people of Central Asia"? So your ancestors fought not only against RI, but also against Soviet Russia. In a broad sense. But then they suddenly fell in love and went to fight for her. Intere-e-esno.
            And now suddenly: "To our great regret, even Comrade Stalin, with his draconian methods, did not succeed in etching out of the common Russian, Great Russian chauvinism. The Russian people have not yet matured to equal alliances. Everything imagines itself as an older brother." And they scream obscene things about the fraternal peoples. Why doesn't the article on inciting ethnic tensions work? "Reading this nonsense of notorious limitrophes is simply ridiculous. We Russians (unlike you, not chauvinists) have not yet grown to equal relations. Why break spears then? Live there as you want. And the option: "Either we are not together, and then bribes from EVERYONE are smooth." - personally most of all suits me. The Russian people do not need you with any relations except good-neighborly. That's all. We are tired of you already. But you are under the screams of "Russian chauvinism" massively burst into "our monastery" (which you yourself do not respect, judging by your opuses) to earn money, or even for permanent residence. And at the same time, you categorically do not want to remember why from you, from so good, there was a massive exodus of the Russian-speaking population in the 90s under the shouts: "Suitcase-Station Russia. And now they themselves rushed with suitcases in the same direction after the" oppressors ".
            1. DDT
              DDT 14 May 2020 19: 54 New
              +1
              You see, my ancestors fought against RI. Against Skobelev. The executioner of Ferghana, this is about him. Personal so to speak.
              They loved the USSR, because in contrast, they were promised a normal life. To explain? Without feudal lords, bais and other delights. That is why they began to fight for the USSR.
              And about limitrophy, will you take a look at your own post? So rushing "great power". They say you, developed and not ... but tough people, forgive the deities of Eurasia mercifully, once condescended to conquer us unreasonable. Hitler thought the same way. The result is obvious. And this proves once again that the average Urus, like you, not only has not grown to a union, but even to a normal federation with the surrounding peoples, it is still far from the moon, as they say, right? And why then whine, howl and tearfully remember, beat yourself in the chest about the USSR? And there are certain circles that would really like to restore the USSR.
              You firmly believe that half of Central Asia and its population are grazing on the "fat Russian field" ... You read less newspapers, watch twee ... Just take and travel around Russia. Illusions about hordes of guest workers will dissipate by themselves.
              No one is breaking into you. Nobody takes anything from you. Those who go to work in the Russian Federation do it because there is a labor market in the Russian Federation. Thanks to Tajik, Ivan will go to study at the University, and there will be no revenge on the street. Thanks to the Uzbek, Vasily will go to work at the factory, and not carry bricks at the construction site. I am the same as you are a nationalist. Only the Central Asian. I personally do not want Khurshid or Davron to carry bricks at a construction site, instead of studying and raising the economy of Central Asia.
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              2. musketon64
                musketon64 15 May 2020 22: 16 New
                -1
                My koment has been deleted. Not from your submission? I can play it again. For what I wrote is for me a matter of principle. Or nothing to argue? And cowardly dashed the complaint
                1. DDT
                  DDT 16 May 2020 11: 35 New
                  +1
                  I don’t know to whom YOU turned, but I think to me. For the gifted, I do not delete comments or complain about them, as I was brought up in countries where they believe that everyone has the right to their own opinion, different from others. Of course write, why not? I didn’t have time to read your comment.
                  1. musketon64
                    musketon64 16 May 2020 14: 30 New
                    -2
                    I don’t know to whom YOU turned, but I believe to me.)))))))))) Since I was brought up in countries where they believe that everyone has the right to their own opinion different from others.)))))))
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                    Yes, it was to you that I turned. Interestingly, and in how many such wonderful countries have you been raised? I was born and raised in the USSR, and now I live in Russia and it is too late to educate me.
                    Honestly, the fuse has passed and writing again, in general, is already laziness. But I will try. I’ll send in parts. That would not have gone all at once (although I tried to avoid using like forbidden words?)
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                    You see, my ancestors fought against RI. Against Skobelev. The executioner of Ferghana, this is about him. Personal so to speak.))))))))

                    I will repeat to you, "a victim of tsarism," once again: "The Soviet Union did not emerge from scratch, but on the ruins of the Russian Empire. And practically within the same borders." If RI had not entered Central Asia, you would not have been part of the USSR either. And there would be a state -wa something like Afghanistan, "with feudal lords, bays and other delights." And no USSR in this situation simply did not shine for you in principle. There is such a thing as a causal relationship. This is just such a case. When one flows from the other. And it’s unlikely that you would now be scribbling your offended comments in Russian. But history does not tolerate subjunctive moods. What is done is done.
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                    They loved the USSR, because in contrast, they were promised a normal life. To explain? Without feudal lords, bais and other delights. That's why they began to fight for the USSR.))))))))

                    I ask you a question again: "How much effort, means and sacrifice did it cost the Soviet Union? How many Russian men - Red Army men (Comrade Sukhovs and Petrukh) died at the hands of your Basmachs (" rebels ") in the struggle" for the happiness of the oppressed people of Central Asia " ? So your ancestors fought not only against RI, but also against Soviet Russia. " Before it dawned on you that Soviet Russia brings you a new life "without feudal lords, beys and other delights." How many Russian people died pulling you and other peoples out of shit and dragging them on their backs to the "bright future"? Like the same "brothers" Bulgarians (with the participation of the same Skobelev), Georgians, Armenians and others from Turkish shit. And now for them and for you, too, we turned out to be "invaders and Russian chauvinists" who de "...... once condescended to subjugate us unreasonable." So now the overwhelming majority of Russians have a very persistent unwillingness to save, protect, help, and so on. Calm down already. We don't need you !!!!

                    Read more ...
                  2. musketon64
                    musketon64 16 May 2020 15: 16 New
                    -2
                    And about limitrophy, will you take a look at your own post? And rushing "great power".))))))))))

                    My post is a response to frantic Russophobia on your part. We do not notice ourselves.
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                    And this once again proves that the average Urus, like you, is not that it has not grown to an alliance, but even to a normal federation with the surrounding peoples it is as far away as cancer to the Moon, so they say, right? And why, then, whine, howl and tearfully remember, beat yourself in the chest about the USSR? And there are certain circles who would really like to restore the USSR.)))))))))))))

                    I consider myself one of those circles, like the overwhelming majority of the "middle Uruses" and other peoples of our country, who categorically do not want the restoration of the USSR. We do not need any normal, formal or some other federation with the surrounding peoples. And don't dream !! I don't care about you and your problems, absolutely nothing - where are you there, what have you got there .... But I stand for good-neighborly relations between our countries. According to the principle - the higher the fence, the better the neighbors. "Visa fence" and a fence-border in two rows of chain-link and barbed wire and minefields between them. Guarded by border guards with machine guns and vicious shepherd dogs, grabbing illegal migrants by the back. Personally, I expect a Trump-style policy from Putin - "Russia first." Well, and the rest ... the rest insofar as they are useful for Russia. On this principle, and determine who and how much to issue quotas and visas and other preferences. This is how I see our equal relationship.
                    Continued further ....
                  3. musketon64
                    musketon64 16 May 2020 16: 18 New
                    -2
                    You firmly believe that half of Central Asia and its population are grazing on the "fat Russian field" ... You read less newspapers, watch twee ... Just take and travel around Russia. Illusions about hordes of migrant workers will dissolve by themselves.)))))))))

                    And here you made me laugh !!!!! I haven't laughed like that for a long time. Thank you, amused. I, unlike you, do not need to travel around Russia. I live here, actually. And without any newspapers or TV, I see what is happening every day. Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a13ouEL1eyQ&t=24s We have almost the same picture on holidays in our city.
                    Or here's another one: https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = iZhfeECG7RI. And I saw this.
                    This is how Central Asian "skinheads" operate in Moscow. Especially for you, I took the first videos on Yu Tuba that came across, so as not to be unfounded. For reference: 3/4 of grave crimes in Moscow and St. Petersburg are committed by people from the Caucasus and Central Asia.
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                    Thanks to Tajik, Ivan will go to study at the University, and there will be no revenge on the street. Thanks to the Uzbek, Vasily will go to work at the factory, and not carry bricks at the construction site)))))))))

                    You guy obviously broke away from real Russian life. In our city, the streets of Ivan have long been swept by the streets (those who are over 50+). For no self-respecting Uzbek will go in revenge on the street for 15 rubles.
                    I just recently built a house in front of the windows. I noticed such a trend - the foundation, walls, ceilings and other important works are performed by the Slavs. But the work such as partitions, wall plaster or which pit to dig where the excavator does not reach, then these are your guys. Asphalt is usually laid by Armenians. This is the division of labor. At the enterprises of your brother the same is enough.
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                    I am the same as you are a nationalist. Only the Central Asian. I personally do not want Khurshid or Davron to carry bricks at a construction site, instead of studying and raising the economy of Central Asia.)))))))))))))

                    And here I completely agree with you. Return to your homeland. Where there are no more Russian or Soviet empires, no "Russian chauvinists" whom you successfully kicked out on the wave of the rise of "national identity" in the 90s. And you will be happy.
                    Yes, and without us you are the same. I emphasize once again that we don’t need any Soviet Union for 100 years.
                    1. DDT
                      DDT 16 May 2020 18: 47 New
                      0
                      In short, you are one of those who are not offended for the state. To whom the "evil commies" stood up in the throat and that everything should go the way it went and goes. So why do you even read VO then ?! You just spoil your mood ?! You better read something else then?
                      1. musketon64
                        musketon64 18 May 2020 20: 58 New
                        0
                        So why do you even read VO ?! You’re only spoiling your mood ?! Would you rather read something else?)))))))))


                        I myself decide what to read and what not to read. I'll figure it out without your advice. But what are you, commentators from post-Soviet countries, grazing on Russian sites? Unclear. We'll spoil the mood or what? Yes, I do not care about you poor people. I gave you the answer not to your Russophobic hysteria and to dispel your false illusions about some kind of new alliances that we, the "Uruses", dream about and which we "Russian chauvinists," supposedly, have not grown up to. Hang you around your neck again? No, thank you. Now the guys are Asians themselves. But with this you, judging by the number of migrants to our country, again problems. Well, you can't live without Russians!
                        "And we went to you - the wheels were rubbing.
                        And you didn’t expect us - but we got stuck. "
                        -------------------------
                        In short, you are one of those who are not offended for the state. To whom "evil commies" got up in the throat and that everything should go like this, as it went on and on. )))))))))

                        I don’t understand you. Who are you by beliefs? Either a communist internationalist who dreams of the return of the USSR, or an Asian nationalist, as you position yourself. You really decide, finally. For the third is not given. Here I am a Russian (Russian) nationalist. But not a chauvinist, what do you attribute to me. For me, Russia is above all. But not - above all. And these are two big differences. So to fasten me to the ideas of Hitler and his accomplices you will not succeed.
                        I dream of a New Russia - strong, rich and safe for citizens. And then a whole line of people who wish to return to the New Russian Empire will be lined up for us. But I hope the new leadership of New Russia will not repeat the mistakes that were made before. The current government continues to follow the previous rake, continuing to kill our country. This is to whom I have the main complaints. Not to you, but to those who let you in here, ignoring the opinions of most citizens. Solving my selfish interests and turning my country into a passage yard.
                      2. DDT
                        DDT 25 May 2020 20: 29 New
                        0
                        I am a communist, internationalist and cosmopolitan. If you are so hurt by us, then you don’t write about us. Write your point of view that for 30 years without us, you somehow have not grown together and you would like to be with us again. Are you following a principle ?! All the best to you, until the next ban you need to quickly manage to comment on most interesting articles and give your authoritative opinion. Then we beg and love and favor. hi
                      3. musketon64
                        musketon64 26 May 2020 22: 41 New
                        0
                        "I am the same as you are a nationalist. Only Central Asian.")))))))

                        Whose words are these? But then the post: "I am a communist, internationalist and cosmopolitan." An internationalist, and even a cosmopolitan / nationalist - wow! No, "comrade from the East", this does not happen. Here - either / or. Or do you change your shoes along the way, depending on the situation? "Real politician", so to speak? Oh well. laughing
                        --------------------------------------------
                        Write your point of view that for 30 years without us you have somehow not grown together and would like to be with us again))))))

                        What a sense of self worth! Yeah, where can we go without you! We’ll get lost, we’ll get lost! And this, probably, from Russia do crowds of migrants go to Central Asia to earn money? laughing So is it, after all, without whom it has not grown together? Think again before writing such nonsense.
                        But seriously, I will repeat my point of view once again - Russia is a self-sufficient country and we do not need any, let alone equal, alliances with countries with much weaker economies. We only need good-neighborly relations and mutually beneficial economic cooperation. And that's enough. What attempts to build equal alliances lead to is clearly seen in the example of Belarus. As a result, we got an insolent, and even an "independent" freeloader. But we still missed you. No - thank you, don't. So your phrase: "..... and you would like to be with us again" is completely untrue. Do not indulge yourself, guys, with vain illusions. I will tell you this, if the Russian authorities closed the country from migrants, we would simply forget about your existence. And they would remember about you no more often than about the inhabitants of Honduras, Papua New Guinea or some other Cameroon. hi
  • bober1982
    bober1982 13 May 2020 06: 36 New
    +1
    Really commendable, the author does not use the infamous word VICTORY, which sinned in a previous article, criticism worked.
    And, it is very cool.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 13 May 2020 06: 43 New
    13
    Kiseleva in court for the propaganda of fascism (for his statements about the monument to Krasnov). On May 9, the tricolor was prohibited from being used in the ranks of the immortal regiment. Under him during the Second World War, all forces fought on the side of Hitler (Vlasov, etc.)
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 May 2020 06: 50 New
    +2
    It’s worth getting used to it. The fact of Victory itself will not suffer from various advertising tricks. And the whole debate about how to celebrate will go into oblivion. And Victory will remain. We were grieving when the USSR collapsed. And when Rust sat on Red Square, for some reason they considered it nonsense. Although this was a harbinger of collapse. In the USSR they celebrated on a labor day. Parade, festivities, a moment of silence. As it should be the Orthodox. In this boiling cauldron, the foam will disappear, and it will .. However, how will it be?
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 13 May 2020 07: 21 New
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      In the USSR, celebrated on labor.

      On Victory Day, parades were not arranged, unless very, very rarely.
      At the official level, they began to celebrate only under Brezhnev.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 13 May 2020 09: 35 New
        +8
        The fact is that I went to serve in the Army under Brezhnev. In 1965, I believe that the one who served in the army has a different attitude to parades. You used to watch a parade, and now your kind of troops is on. The feeling is beyond words.
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 13 May 2020 07: 16 New
    +3
    "The main thing is the impression that Lukashenka somehow offended, if not all of Russia, then its main, patriotic part."

    The novel consciously or not consciously confuses resentment and bewilderment. Personally, I have no offense, but there is bewilderment.

    "The usurpation of the right to Victory, to the correctness of the celebration is not entirely worthy. And it is equally unworthy to treat those who have their own views on how to celebrate the anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War."

    And this is a logical bomb. There is no usurpation, it’s a common victory, the absolute majority is for these parades to be in all republics, but it takes root when they try to hush up May 9, but introduce it on May 8, as in Europe.

    Well, a real analysis with numbers from Vajra

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZDLTOxNi1E
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 May 2020 08: 05 New
      +4
      Well, what about usurpation, if you recall:
      George Ribbon
      Until recently, they did not wear it, then they began to sculpt it where necessary and not necessary and blamed the neighbors for not wearing it. And they all began to use their symbols - the poppy flower and the apple tree flower.
      immortal regiment
      They didn’t poke the neighbors what they had here, but you don’t / don’t give permission! Then, however, it turned out that there are, but then they began to beat the number of regiments and in the regiments ...
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 13 May 2020 09: 13 New
        -5
        Usurpation is only in some in the head.
        1. "Until recently, they did not wear it" - yeah, google what the "Guards badge for the Navy" was approved in 41-42.

        2. And they all began to use their symbols - the poppy flower and the apple tree flower.

        And tell us, dear, whose sign is this "poppy flower" and in honor of what it went? Maybe the Ukrainians invented it themselves, or not?

        No one is against these same symbols, if at the same time others do not prohibit, often, these very new symbols are designed to supplant others, including with prohibitive measures.

        This is very convenient, here I see, but here I do not see.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 13 May 2020 09: 23 New
          +4
          Good when u some in the head. at least there is memory as well.
          How many years ago did the St. George ribbon begin to be worn almost by order?
          You tell me about Thomas, and I tell you about Yerema. I studied the history of the ribbon.
          Red poppy. Yes, it was invented in Europe. And the apple blossom in Belarus. So what? Do not have a right to exist? With these words alone you support usurpation!
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 13 May 2020 11: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Good when u some in the head. at least there is memory as well.
            How many years ago did the St. George ribbon begin to be worn almost by order?
            You tell me about Thomas, and I tell you about Yerema. I studied the history of the ribbon.
            Red poppy. Yes, it was invented in Europe. And the apple blossom in Belarus. So what? Do not have a right to exist? With these words alone you support usurpation!

            You are completely right ...
            P / S. Do I really need to be drowned in kvass because I don’t like okroshka ??
          2. Cruorvult
            Cruorvult 13 May 2020 12: 06 New
            -2
            1. "How many years ago they began to wear St. George's ribbon almost by order?"

            Excuse me, but there will be data about the "order"? A year was in the civil service, now in the editorial office, the founders are the city administration and the district administration, no one ever forced anyone and no one told me personally about this, you just can lie to such an extent that you will be driven to the Immortal Regiment with sticks ...

            2. "They have no right to exist? With these words of yours, you support the usurpation!" another delirium, in what place does someone dispute the right to exist?

            Oh, that's what googles fast.

            This is why St. George ribbons were banned in Kazakhstan, and the government recommended that citizens not use them on Victory Day. An official appeal was even sent to the Russian embassy so that their employees would not give out propaganda symbols to people.
            Source: https://travelask.ru/questions/16363-pochemu-zapretili-georgievskie-lentochki-v-kazahstane

            That is, there was even an official appeal.

            It turns out that our neighbors are trying to supplant, and in some places to ban, but again Russia is to blame.

            Let's farther about your fictitious "usurpation".
  • Hagen
    Hagen 13 May 2020 07: 34 New
    +1
    But what was in the press is of much greater interest. At least by the fact that a certain competition has begun, who will charge the president of Belarus more abruptly.

    Again an owl on the globe! The media have traditionally been divided into pro-Kremlin and anti-Kremlin positions. It is Belarus that few people discuss. Despite the fact that recently Lukashenka's position really raises a lot of questions. With an epidemic situation comparable to the situation in the Moscow region, i.e. not the most prosperous, Lukashenko decided not to introduce quarantine in the country and, thereby, created conditions for the Russian Federation to start fencing itself off from its neighbors, which is somewhat painful for both the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. And again, according to the author in the Russian Federation, there is still a "victoriousness", and the author has no quotation marks in the RB
    President Lukashenko held a parade in his sovereign republic, which was not quarantined, with operating enterprises and people who were not driven home. They had the right to do so; he exercised his right.
    .
    Funny mention of Mannerheim.
    After Mannerheim’s plaque and conversations of senior officials about the monuments to Krasnov, I am no longer surprised at anything. Our Majesty official decides with us. They decide to enter - they will introduce.

    For some reason, the author forgot to add that the board was removed. And they filmed it under public pressure. I would say that this case should have become an information source for wide coverage, because it could serve as an example of a successful fight against such memorials in the country. But it can be seen that we are also holding a competition, "who will charge the president of Russia better." Therefore, the journalist is not interested in the essence of the events. But the problem raised by the author still exists. And it must be solved, and, I think, not by traditional memorial events, when Victory is remembered on May 9, and on May 10 is already forgotten. It must be resolved radically in the process of school education, seeking real mastering of the historical lessons of the 20th century within the framework of both the school curriculum and the extracurricular activities of children. Veterans, however, must also be remembered not on holidays, but throughout the year with targeted assistance and care. Not with flowers, but with the solution of their real problems and difficulties. Unfortunately, we have few of them left. There is an opportunity to reach everyone personally. Ask, see and not help one-time, for a holiday, but help in life.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 13 May 2020 11: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Hagen
      For some reason, the author forgot to add that the board was removed.

      but at first they hung and who!

      Head of the Presidential Executive Office S. Ivanov, Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation V. Medinsky!
      Quote: Hagen
      But it can be seen that we are also holding a competition, "who will charge the president of Russia better."

      But is he not responsible for his subordinates S. Ivanov and V. Medinsky?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 May 2020 11: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr
        but at first they hung and who!
        Head of the Presidential Executive Office S. Ivanov, Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation V. Medinsky!

        And then they took off - first Ivanova, and then the board.
        Medinsky, however, resisted - showing political stability of one milliMikoyan. smile
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 13 May 2020 11: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        But is he not responsible for his subordinates S. Ivanov and V. Medinsky?

        Where are they Ivanov and Medinsky now?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 13 May 2020 11: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: Hagen
          Where are they Ivanov and Medinsky now?

          we all will someday be elsewhere. But this does not exclude liability for acts in the performance of their duties. Otherwise, criminal investigation and Interpol are not needed - all criminals are hiding from the scene of the crime, and they are being searched for. Cause something ... Is not it ..?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 13 May 2020 12: 03 New
            -4
            Quote: Silvestr
            But this does not exclude liability for acts in the performance of their duties.

            Do you definitely need a chopping block on the Forefront with the severed heads of the people you dislike?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 13 May 2020 12: 05 New
              +6
              Quote: Hagen
              Do you definitely need a chopping block on the Forefront with the severed heads of the people you dislike?

              do not exaggerate. Or has Ivanov already been cut off his head? poor thing
        2. Alf
          Alf 13 May 2020 20: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Silvestr
          But is he not responsible for his subordinates S. Ivanov and V. Medinsky?

          Where are they Ivanov and Medinsky now?

          Are they sitting for slandering the country?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 13 May 2020 11: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Hagen
      because it could serve as an example of a successful struggle with such memorials in the country.

      How successful this struggle is, I see from the statements of Kiselyov.
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    4. Alf
      Alf 13 May 2020 20: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      For some reason, the author forgot to add that the board was removed.

      Why was she even hanged? And which of the important government officials at the opening of her noted? If there was any Vasya Pupkin at the opening, this is one thing, and if there are government officials of such a rank, then this is already state policy.
  • nznz
    nznz 13 May 2020 07: 35 New
    +7
    my attitude to this story is simple. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. And no matter how the author dismisses the pandemic, it is important to understand for yourself = what is the main thing? on the scales in one bowl, people's health (as a consequence of the economy) on another ritual parade, more ideological action. I believe that we will always be able to march in the name of Russian weapons and heroic ancestors (my father fought), it is important to remember and not to stomp on time. As an ordinary person, I understand why they brought it, I understand that it would be stupid to gather several thousand people (with tens of thousands of spectators) in the center of the MSC at the height of the epidemic ... some kind of feast during the plague. everything is done right. And we will always give the memory debt to fathers and grandfathers — it’s in the soul of each of our people. For an example I’ll give you a hypothetical situation, sometimes it’s enough to hyperebolate the phenomenon. So imagine the height of a hot battle ... the general is nearby .. well that a soldier needs to wax and salute? Hyperbole, but it’s clear that the battle will go, but there we recall. Nobody at home prevented me, wife and son from remembering our relatives who gave everything they could for the Victory.
    As for our Slavic brothers (he wrote and was scared, what if the Belarusians say what kind of brothers we are? We are independent .. these are strange times. We don’t renounce anyone, we even respectfully call our partners), then this is their state, their President and it’s up to them to decide whether or not to conduct a parade in a pandemic. I understand everything about the impact on the rating, about the fact that you can’t notice a pandemic, but not the Russians invented it, it was announced by WHO). And here you see the gopher game? No. But it is. Lukashenko himself will be responsible for his actions before his people.
    As for our reaction.
    You can’t put a scarf on each mouth. Chatterboxes and the yellow press are everywhere. In general, I think it’s impossible not to respond to the act of the Belarusian neighbor. We have the right to speak.
    If we talk about some kind of joint actions, then Lukashenko is so controversial that I have the opinion that he simply uses any situation to strengthen his image. So in this case, there’s a good reason against the background of the decision made by the Russian Federation to act as a desperate patriot who considers the parade in honor of Victory is so important that a pandemic is nothing. Probably this should increase his credibility in the eyes of the population. Someone will say enthusiastically — oh yes dad, well done, well, he’s not afraid of anything.
    Well, what will those who have someone get sick say. Short-term benefits and consequences? Bad choice. It can be expensive, such steps are taken from despair. Wait and see.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 13 May 2020 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: nznz
      I understand that it would be foolish at the height of the epidemic to gather several thousand people in the center of the MSC (with tens of thousands of spectators) ... some kind of feast during the plague. everything is correctly done.

      And to collect millions, in the subway and buses, daily, what is this? Is this a model of wisdom? By the way, the question of the survival of the country as a whole, and Moscow in particular, at least 2/3 of these millions do not belong to any side. So we will not talk about a feast during the plague. Okay?
      1. nznz
        nznz 13 May 2020 10: 31 New
        +2
        do not be like freelance agitators. I will open your eyes, there is a need which can not be avoided, there is stupidity that can be prevented.
        And do not get away from the topic, this is also a well-known method of propagandists. I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yerema.
        In the subway, check T (compare with Kgo at the parade check?)
        in the subway require wearing masks and gloves (compare with the parade)
        millions? But in cars until 12.05 it was not a lot. I'm not talking about other cities less metroshenny.
        It was possible to block everything, I am a supporter of hard quarantine. But you and liberals like you right away shouted, help me! They’re depriving us of freedom. We are not China. It’s all easier. And I also would like young and old cretins to be driven from barbecues with sticks. I even came up with a way that is more efficient — to run irrigation paths with disinfectant along the paths and to shoot along all the barbecue facilities with idiots — and disinfection and education.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 13 May 2020 10: 52 New
          +5
          Quote: nznz
          In the subway, check T (compare with Kgo at the parade check?)
          in the subway require wearing masks and gloves (compare with the parade)

          Of course not. Do not check. And in general, they gather for a parade of homeless people from nearby landfills. Little honey, the soldiers present at the parade, and so live side by side. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And somehow I really doubt very much that all 168 hours a week they are in masks, gloves and at a distance of 5 meters.
          .
          Quote: nznz
          It was possible to block everything - I supporters of hard quarantine

          Laponka. If you were a supporter of strict quarantine, you would not have to talk about a blissful and empty metro. And you are not a supporter of quarantine. You are a simple sun-sectarian sectarian.
          Quote: nznz
          But you and such liberals immediately yelled, help !! They’re depriving of freedom.

          Oh, I can’t. I’ve been unsubscribing for almost 1.5 months that we have no fight against the virus, and there is a clowning depicting this very fight. And the cancellation of the parade, amid the work of the same metro, is another grimace of a clown depicting the ruler of the country.
          Dixi.
          1. nznz
            nznz 13 May 2020 12: 49 New
            -6
            Pupsik, don't build your eyes and don't wag your hips, I'm not fooled. How much do you sell your homeland?
  • igor1981
    igor1981 13 May 2020 07: 38 New
    +3
    Personally, I respected the old man after the parade, I was not afraid of anyone and nothing - well done.
    I don’t even want to say anything about Putin ...
    1. Arpad
      Arpad 13 May 2020 09: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: igor1981
      Personally, I respected the old man after the parade, I was not afraid of anyone and nothing - well done.
      I don’t even want to say anything about Putin ...

      Nobody and nothing?
      You know, the crown exists and this is a fact, I understand that the main risk group is 60+, the probability of infection is very high for this group, as well as for death.
      Have a parade without veterans?
      It’s debatable, and with them - part of 100% will become infected and some of them will die
      So decide which is more important.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 13 May 2020 07: 53 New
    +7
    But I watched the parade in Minsk, I won’t say that the parade as a parade is delighted, it doesn’t differ much from Moscow, one is glad that Father Butska was with eggs, unlike the one who hits first, but then everything turns into milk. It has long been concluded for myself that Putin is the same Eltsin only sober
    1. Alf
      Alf 13 May 2020 20: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: rotkiv04
      It has long been concluded for myself that Putin is the same Eltsin only sober

      Well, I don’t know ... He even threw this drunk, but this sober man is trying.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 13 May 2020 07: 56 New
    12
    A dear author is usually more about facts, but here - only emotions.
    The Russian leadership recognizes the virus. The leadership of the Republic of Belarus (personally Lukashenko) "denies" the virus. Each side made decisions according to its own policy. There is no ideology here.

    "Virtually" on May 9 simply "raged" in the Russian Federation.
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 13 May 2020 09: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      A dear author is usually more about facts, but here - only emotions.
      The Russian leadership recognizes the virus. The leadership of the Republic of Belarus (personally Lukashenko) "denies" the virus. Each side made decisions according to its own policy. There is no ideology here.

      "Virtually" on May 9 simply "raged" in the Russian Federation.

      And why, then, at the parade in Ashgabat was an official delegation from the Russian Federation present and participating? The whole ambassador and deputy. Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation were. Or does the Russian Federation recognize the virus in Belarus and deny it in Turkmenistan?
      Illogical if
      There is no ideology here
      hi
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 13 May 2020 11: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: Leshy1975
        And why, then, at the parade in Ashgabat was an official delegation from the Russian Federation present and participating?

        traded for gas! everything is simple - money and gas!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 13 May 2020 11: 37 New
          -6
          Quote: Silvestr
          traded for gas! everything is simple - money and gas!

          Even if so (you definitely weren’t there), then why is it bad. Where do you get your salary from? From those just sources. Your pay will be reduced per ruble, such as that of pediatric oncologists - will you go on strike? laughing
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 13 May 2020 11: 49 New
            +4
            Quote: Hagen
            Your pay will be reduced per ruble, such as that of pediatric oncologists - will you go on strike?

            no, why?
            Quote: Hagen
            Even if so (you definitely weren’t there), then why is it bad.

            the question was about another, why didn’t we go to Minsk and go to Turkmenistan?
            The answer is simple - money and gas. It turns out that money and gas are the most expensive .. for someone!
            Quote: Hagen
            This is bad.
            laughing
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 13 May 2020 12: 11 New
              -4
              Quote: Silvestr
              why didn’t we go to Minsk, but go to Turkmenistan?

              Our representatives were already there. Obviously, this was decided by a sufficient measure. Whom Lukashenko invited, they were. The fact that Lukashenko didn’t agree with Putin is okay, they had a preliminary conversation on this topic around May 5, where everyone expressed their opinion on this topic. I am more satisfied that our leadership, although not all, is in good health. Why not these populist risks.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 13 May 2020 13: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      "Virtually" on May 9 simply "raged" in the Russian Federation.

      and on May 12, Putin said, "everyone to work." Where is the logic?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 13 May 2020 14: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: samarin1969
        "Virtually" on May 9 simply "raged" in the Russian Federation.

        and on May 12, Putin said, "everyone to work." Where is the logic?


        About "logic", the question is not for me, for those who "said". what
  • Ethnarchist
    Ethnarchist 13 May 2020 08: 33 New
    +1
    Many thanks to the author for the article! Someone had to express an adequate opinion on the inadequacy of what was happening .......
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 May 2020 09: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
    This is the basis of the foreign policy of the country's leadership,

    Well, actually, Russia did not have any friends or allies. Do not agree? Give a list. These very friends.

    Benya Netanyahu, Frau Merkel, Mula Macron, Dima Trump. lol True, these are not our friends - these are His friends. bully
  • New Year day
    New Year day 13 May 2020 09: 39 New
    15
    It is worthwhile to warn the most ardent of usurping the right to Victory.

    warn you too late! This right was usurped by the Russian authorities.
    Therefore, President Lukashenko not
    offended if not all of Russia, then its main, patriotic part.
    ,
    he personally offended President Putin, who looked very pitiful against his background; President Lukashenko offended those who regard only those who unconditionally support Putin with servility in everything as patriots, confusing the word "Fatherland" with "Your Excellency" according to Saltykov-Shchedrin.
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    1. nznz
      nznz 13 May 2020 10: 37 New
      -2
      demagogue you brother ..
  • Vacij
    Vacij 13 May 2020 09: 58 New
    0
    author -> author -> author what kind of foolishness did you spit (all the gypsum is gone, the client leaves the hotel)) It remains only to assume that here (including) it would start if ... What happened it happened - there were some objective causes. Old Man did - handsome. But this is no reason to shout - look ... We have our own realities, as it were. And the parade will be - our right cause ...)
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +4
    The event happened, as it happened!
    There is nothing and no need to measure now.
    The values ​​of VICTORY, for all of us, have not diminished in the least.
  • nznz
    nznz 13 May 2020 10: 36 New
    -9
    Pay attention, colleague, how quickly those who rushed in every way poured oil on the fire. They can’t prove anything. They have Buttons with eggs, the rest are masked underpants. These are paid pigs ... provocateurs, they can be seen so, why donkeys Amer’s don’t pretend to be Belarusians’ ears.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 13 May 2020 10: 57 New
    10
    The world appreciated.
    To hold the parade on November 7, 1941 was much more difficult and dangerous, but it was held, and, the world appreciated, most importantly, the Soviet people themselves appreciated. It was the 75th anniversary of the victory, but the parade was not held, they found a reason, not an opportunity. So, there was no special desire among those in power, in their capitalism.

    And Alexander Grigoryevich did well, no matter what the motives of his desire.

    Thanks, Roman, for the article.
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 13 May 2020 11: 09 New
    11
    It is a pity that it is impossible to ask I. Stalin - And what was he done in this situation? Although the answer is obvious - all his LIFE,. ACTIONS AND ACTIONS. But the effective manager, who was transformed from the Communists into liberals, was not given this.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 13 May 2020 11: 11 New
    +8
    Old Man Lukashenko wiped his nose with our liber-astam, and they were offended! Let them squeal, but he's done! And there will be no "outbreak" of diseases! If the virus were contagious, tens of millions of people would be sick now.
    1. nznz
      nznz 13 May 2020 12: 54 New
      -11
      I’m waiting for the next exploits of the Old Man. No cancer! No AIDS! Well, in general, if you close your eyes, then there is nothing. This helps the children. But when he opens his eyes, what will happen? Let's wait, and then we will help the fraternal people who have been ill with lymph, medicines, and vaccines, when we appear, we remember our Slypian unity!
      The main thing that the proud Old Man stepped over through pride and asked. For some reason I believe that he will be able to step over, but not like everyone bowing his head, but still proudly, simultaneously calling the help that will come from Russia by blackmail and nuduvalov. Everything as usual. There are rebellious rebels such as the European Union, and there are rushing about.
  • Sergey Pedenko
    Sergey Pedenko 13 May 2020 11: 24 New
    +2
    there was news that they did not cancel, but moved //
    1. nznz
      nznz 13 May 2020 12: 55 New
      -5
      pravno.No liberal foam, it doesn’t matter .. it’s insulting, well, why didn’t everyone go down the line to die ..
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 13 May 2020 13: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: nznz
        pravno.No liberal foam, it doesn’t matter .. it’s insulting, well, why didn’t everyone go down the line to die ..

        The WHO said that not everyone will return to normal life after a pandemic, but only those who were NORMAL before the epidemic ...
  • barium
    barium 13 May 2020 13: 07 New
    +5
    both Belarusians and Turkmens did not bend in front of the ami and held a VICTORY PARADE !!!!! Respect to them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. barium
      barium 13 May 2020 13: 09 New
      +3
      ..I wrote S, published AMI - so the deflection continues ....
  • Kushka
    Kushka 13 May 2020 13: 30 New
    +9
    I don’t remember, but somewhere in the 75-78th employee (driver),
    not a veteran, younger, visited Minsk on May 9.
    He excitedly talked about the seen parade and more
    all about what I saw women - their peers with orders
    and medals on the chest. When asked about surprise, he
    explained that in Belarus, not only guys but also girls
    fought (partisan) from 12 years old and accomplished feats, for which
    and were awarded. Unfortunately, even those of them who were
    15 in the 45th, today is 90th and there are very few of them left
  • Usher
    Usher 13 May 2020 13: 47 New
    -5
    How to put a minus article? What is only worth
    President Lukashenko held a parade in his sovereign republic, which was not quarantined, with operating enterprises and people who were not driven home. They had the right to do so; he exercised his right.

    Wow, what are you, overclocked right. I'd rather be overclocked than dead. Are you the author of a sect who believes that there is no coronovirus?
  • tveritianin
    tveritianin 13 May 2020 13: 53 New
    -4
    You are absolutely right: first, not our wars, and then our victory. First, to scold Russia for closing the borders, and then to say that “our brotherly Russia, dear to us,” is doing the right thing. He's like that everywhere. First, call Russia, slander various nasty things about it, and then come and ask for discounts and other preferences.
    Those who watched the entire parade in Belarus should have heard where it started. And it began with the words of the hosts that the parade is taking place in the INDEPENDENT Republic of Belarus! At the same time, the words INDEPENDENT were repeated several times, apparently, for better assimilation by those watching abroad. I have never heard before in Russia before the parade they said that it was taking place in the INDEPENDENT Russian Federation! And in other republics of the former Union this is not practiced. And here, especially for us.
    What about speech? If you are holding a parade dedicated to a certain event (by the way, neither the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus, nor the first person of the Republic of Belarus said the Parade is dedicated to anything. Simply: "They were built for the Parade"), then why are you molding politics here (Mir went crazy, etc.), who gave you the right to read the notations to the World ?!
    And what about the message that Belarus has overshadowed the rest of the territory, taking the brunt? It was not Belarus that fought, but the Red Army of the USSR. It was she - the Red Army was killed in Brest and near Mogilev, delaying the advance of the Nazis to the east, and not the mythical Belarus! This is somewhat reminiscent of another "brotherly people" who dug the Black Sea, liberated Auschwitz, and hoisted the Victory Banner over the Reichstag. Belarus came face to face with fascism with the widespread deployment of the partisan and underground movement, for which HER GREAT GLORY FOREVER! My father has been in the partisans since 1941 and was a participant in the partisan parade on July 17, 1944 in Minsk. Therefore, one should not confuse what happened in reality with the desire to exalt the imaginary from the standpoint of today!
    I myself was born in the Republic of Belarus and stand by the mountain for it, but since some time I have not only been harassed by the statements and actions of individuals, both here and primarily with them, but also directly offend. If we are together, then we must be to the end and in everything! And if national interests, then let's not confuse Wishlist and the desires of some with Wishlist and the desires of others. Then tobacco apart and only business national interests. And you can be friends in different ways. They are friends with us in this way: when we need support from them, they are sovereign and multi-vector, and when they need, we are obliged!
    He held a Parade and God be with him. After this, citizens will become ill or not, this is also his concern. We have nothing to climb into it. It is not only necessary to make the election policy out of this and cover the leadership of your country.
    And as for our Guarantor, I will say this: it seems to him that he himself was extremely uncomfortable that day, but he made his choice as he saw fit. That's why He and the Guarantor (President). And it is impossible under any circumstances to equate the Parade in Moscow, where there is more population than in the whole of Belarus with the Parade in Minsk. We spent it in Moscow and we would not know what the consequences would be for Moscow, given the population density. One thing is clear, that the number of cases would be definitely much larger than now.
    But the parade will be! And this is the main point!
    In general, the parade in Minsk was not a parade dedicated to this date. It was an annual event held on that day. If there was a desire to mark this date, it would be appropriate to put at the forefront that this is the Victory of the Soviet people, of which Belarus was a part (then there were no citizens of the Republic of Belarus, there were citizens of the USSR), then, I think, no one would the hand didn’t even raise a letter to write abusive to the AHL!
    And the last: everyone who noted here has their SOVEREIGN opinion on this issue. But to get personal, to blame for your Country and its President is the last thing. We may have different views on events, but we have ONE Country! We should discuss how to make it better, not brand and label
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 13 May 2020 22: 18 New
      0
      Born in the BSSR, for reference, the annual parades in our Republic of Belarus are held on July 3, but it’s like Belarus Belarus ....
      1. tveritianin
        tveritianin 14 May 2020 10: 09 New
        +2
        I don’t really care about your references. Because I myself went to parades in Minsk for 4 years, and 4 in Lida. And that I also know and watch the annual parades on July 3. But the difference, the difference must be understood! turn on the brain for at least a minute. Hold parades at least every day, but if you hold a parade to commemorate the great event, then speak about it openly, and not allegorically.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 13 May 2020 14: 43 New
    +3
    Only Belarus has the right to celebrate the victory parade at the state level from the former Soviet republics.
    Compared to other countries, Belarus has retained almost all the attributes and policies of the USSR.
    The victory was won by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communists, which the liberal-oligarchic system except Belarus was destroyed and established.
    For example, in Ukraine, a parade of yellow-blue and black-crimson banners under which the nationalists of Soviet soldiers were killed
    In Russia there is also a parade from the tricolor under which Vlasov and his ilk fought, killing our own Soviet soldiers.
    The same story from other republics.
    Where is the logic in this circus?
    But Belarus remained the only one faithful to the traditions of its ancestors that haunts not only the west but also its neighbors including Russia.
    1. Amadeus Ivanov
      Amadeus Ivanov 13 May 2020 16: 11 New
      -6
      You, dear, do not spread rumors, but look at the parade on Red Square ... And you will understand that the parade in Moscow, in honor of Victory Day, begins with the removal of the victory banner and the whole parade is held under the red banners, unlike the parade in Minsk where the parade is held under the banners with a green stripe ... And about the Belarusian traditions. After all, it is a tradition to deprive the accreditation of journalists who have their own views, the KGB of Belarus to try to arrest Russian citizens in Russia ....
      Is it normal to feed Belarusian aligarchs at the expense of state employees of the Russian Federation?
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 13 May 2020 18: 15 New
        +1
        What rumors? what are you speaking about ?
        The fact that they make the red flag, but that’s all, and what’s next?
        And the victory was won by the people under the Communist Party, so this is a victory of the communist political system and not of the oligarchy that now rules in Russia.
  • Topol M
    Topol M 13 May 2020 14: 43 New
    -1
    Roma! You are not accidentally funded by our president. Continuous praises, I’ll come and live here, if you had circled the parade in the Republic of Belarus, you would surely have steamed in the jail!
  • DDT
    DDT 13 May 2020 15: 51 New
    +6
    I would have known that a parade would be held in Minsk, I would have gone. And I'm sure I would have persuaded the border guards to let it through. Because I love parades since childhood. I remember in Tashkent when parts of the TurkVO went to the parade, beautiful, brave, fit ... Airplanes fly, tanks hum. And after all, not only on May 9, there was also November 7, it was May Day, there I marched with my dad next to the child. There was a time. I don't believe the media. None, not even "independent". The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. There is a coronavirus, but to compare it with the medieval plague? Where are the bodies in the streets? Many people forget that in fact, as much data as possible is being processed, which people now voluntarily give to Wirth. Digital giant stocks skyrocketed. Real production and trade is stagnating all over the world. Everything is done to control the masses and catalog individuals. So, one or two parades won't spoil the picture. soldier
  • Amadeus Ivanov
    Amadeus Ivanov 13 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +2
    Lukashenko and people living in Belarus have the right to decide when and what. But they are not entitled to require citizens of the Russian Federation to have their own opinion, which differs from the opinion of the leadership of the Republic of Belarus. The victory in 1945 is the victory of the Soviet people and it was the Soviet people who won, and not the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs ...... or the Russians separately ... And now the leadership of the former republics of the USSR are trying to interpret the common victory in their own way. Isn't it strange? The victory is common, and each republic interprets how it is profitable for them today, often belittling the role of individual peoples and nationalities ...
    1. DDT
      DDT 13 May 2020 17: 14 New
      +2
      I do not know who put you a minus. But personally it seems to me that the problem at the moment is in the Russian Federation itself. Because whatever one may say, and RI is a colonial power, with all the consequences. And the new government of the Russian Federation wants us to remember the victories of the USSR while magnifying the prison of the peoples of the Russian Empire. Half measure not given. For example, Skobelev and Gorchakov are deeply disgusted with me as a Central Asian, but Frunze and Voroshilov are deeply likable. Why? Yes, because the first, the notorious RUSSIAN heroes, and the second heroes are common, SOVIET.
      1. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov 13 May 2020 17: 33 New
        -2
        Uncle, you write in Russian, but rotten Russophobe
        1. DDT
          DDT 13 May 2020 17: 46 New
          -1
          Yes, you surrendered to me, Uruses! Why hate you? For repression? So you yourself have suffered. For WWII? So you did not start. For articles where they indiscriminately blame everything and all of all neuruses? So you are not alone!
          There is such an old anecdote - "let's not brotherly, let's equally." Here's how you understand the meaning, will live with you Komi, and Mordovians, and Ossetians with Uzbeks, etc.
          The USSR collapsed, not because there were a lot of weapons, but because the one who had a machine gun in his hands naively believed that he would cut off machine gunners. And the result?
          1. nznz
            nznz 14 May 2020 21: 24 New
            +1
            Do not enter the same river twice. It will not be like this. There will be no more fraternal republics, the rotten idea of ​​internalization and other idiotic ideologies from communism. They tried. As a result, the RSFSR lived the worst, individual republics simply lived. Someone bought the Volga for 2-3 prices ... remembered .. Sma internationalism just covered up friendship for money, looked like prostitution. We will forgive one country for a former friend of the miliard of duty, then another. Well, everyone remembers. There will be no more. In international relations and in our new approach, the commercial one — you want some sweetie. If you don’t want to dance, look for where the chupa chups is sweeter. what is the difference? yes one tyk-tyk, and the other teases. The fate of all non-independent states is known and does not envy about the desire or unwillingness of citizens. There is an army and weapons, you are respected. No, choose a boss. Here maneuvering between two partners is the policy of small states. By and large, there is no difference, Juno is closer and more humane. We still trying to offer friendships on a profitable basis. Starry striped traffic cop rod, python does not imply friendship, so to speak. Everything is clear America Uber Alles, everyone else is. Local industry is under the root, everything is Amer’s. Everything. And you will sit on such a hook firmly and reliably, not to jump off. that's the whole layout. Povovna share-hahahaha, EC remembered the Soviet Union, that's enough. Now, as the demobilization army share oil.
            1. DDT
              DDT 15 May 2020 16: 19 New
              0
              That's the whole point Igor Trying to dominate from a position of strength. Not at all. Like in sex. Wants a tough partner, come on. But he doesn’t want to, try to make it. love love
              1. nznz
                nznz 16 May 2020 01: 48 New
                0
                the analogy doesn’t work. Rather, one who has a normal potency is known to be a sekas, the rest can talk about it. There are only three countries in the world with potency — Americans, China and Russia. The rest is told, they supposedly can, but before they could be great ... let them talk. We know that ..
                1. DDT
                  DDT 16 May 2020 11: 40 New
                  0
                  Now, looking at the Russian Federation, the rest also decided to drink Viagra ... wassat
                  Ato after 70 years and suddenly the old man again has potency ?! laughing
                  1. nznz
                    nznz 16 May 2020 15: 16 New
                    0
                    Want to check it out? many thought the same way you did. And until now, one place aches and no peace melts. Do not sit on it, they fidget. Really like it? So it is, the Americans serve the whole fraternity, they do not allow any of the heroes to stand in line.
                    1. DDT
                      DDT 16 May 2020 17: 14 New
                      0
                      You know, I just do not want to offend anyone, but ... the old man is flattering himself. Of course, in VO and Central Asia, the point is ru, it does not seem to all comrades that the old man is ours, still huge. But this is only in
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 13 May 2020 16: 16 New
    +4
    The parade was held in sovereign Belarus, the parade was hosted by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Belarus. I liked him very much (both the parade and Alexander Grigorievich). What someone did not like about him - no one really can say. Well, stop discussing the decision of a sovereign friendly state and its president. Happy holiday, Belarus brothers!
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  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 May 2020 16: 32 New
    +5
    We had a parade. It was held in Minsk
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      1. Per se.
        Per se. 14 May 2020 06: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: itis
        Well done! poihuhizm during hostilities
        If we talk about holding and not holding a parade, then "poyukhism" is just about not holding it. The army must be ready for war, for any, atomic, chemical, bacteriological, otherwise, its combat training is worthless.

        If we talk about the parade in Moscow, who prevented the parade from being closed to the audience, but to demonstrate the training of our military to the whole world, to demonstrate the sacredness of traditions and pay tribute to the feat of our fathers and grandfathers? There would be a desire in power, even if there were fewer troops, without spectators (they would watch on TV), but the parade had to be held on May 9th. Quarantine, an epidemic? Moreover, the army must demonstrate its readiness. Especially when the parade is closed, especially if you use protective equipment from ordinary medical masks to a complete demonstration of security.
    2. itis
      itis 14 May 2020 01: 09 New
      0
      about Belarusians it is. "dads /" is not the same.
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  • dedusik
    dedusik 13 May 2020 16: 42 New
    -4
    Quote: vavilon
    But Belarus remained the only one true to the traditions of its ancestors

    And what traditions can we talk about if in the USSR from 1945 to 1990 only 4 parades were held, and from 1947 to 1965 Victory Day was generally a working day
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 13 May 2020 17: 31 New
    +2
    The main thing is the impression that Lukashenko somehow offended if not all of Russia, then its main, patriotic part.


    Lukashenko - many thanks for giving us, Russians, at least a virtual plunge into the atmosphere of the holiday, inextricably linked with May 9th. And let him then carry out one parade afterwards - at least on June 29, at least on August 38, at least on Halloween.
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    2. itis
      itis 14 May 2020 01: 28 New
      -3
      It is inadmissible to contain a text (according to information, a verbal filter), tries to introduce a strong AI into the field of reasoning of the regulars of the Military Observation (the family subscribed to a paper magazine since the seventies) and, without changing the topic, claims that "many thanks" to the rassians for the clown and an inappropriate parade, all the same, it is better to zero out than balabol, as Father loves with the thesaurus of the cannibal Yolochka.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 14 May 2020 17: 41 New
        0
        Quote: itis
        "Many thanks" to the daragim rassiyans for the buffoonery and inappropriate parade, it is still better to reset to zero than to talk about, as Father loves with the thesaurus of the cannibal Yolochka.

        Pole, or what? He writes clearly from a NATO country, there is no letter "E" on the keyboard (Herringbone instead of Ellochka). Actually, our site is called "Military Review". Memorize it by heart.
  • frols
    frols 13 May 2020 18: 01 New
    -1
    Roman is offended that there was no parade, but when his homeland is poured with mud on what he is capable of, I would like to know the rest of the fighting hamsters, well, except how to mud his own power.
    1. itis
      itis 14 May 2020 01: 38 New
      0
      to hell with power, especially since from the Munich attack until now, already degenerate, of course you need to change and sane should become it. but not shelupon bought long ago.
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 13 May 2020 18: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    And also those who died in the Russian-Japanese. In the First World War.

    And then there were also regimental tricolors ??
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 13 May 2020 18: 04 New
    +3
    The Russian media did not say a word about the parade in Minsk.

    In Ukraine, it was not too lazy to smear with fascist censorship all the pictures with Soviet orders, St. George ribbons, etc. in the ... YouTube recording of the broadcast.

    I would say what it is called, but admin VI habanyat
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  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 13 May 2020 18: 35 New
    +2
    "Ribbons. A stumbling block. And the subject of throwing these stones at Kazakhs and Belarusians. Meanwhile, no matter how St. George's ribbon was originally a symbol of Victory. And it was invented. In Russia ...".
    Only I heard now the gnashing of teeth at the mention of our state?
    When is it really a shame for a power? To the author? Yes, I beg you, he hates him for him, only Denikin and even Krasnov! good ....
    PS and yes, if Putin held a parade, the author would write that Putin is a bastard himself! violated quarantine measures and because of it thousands of people fell ill.
    Threat another bottom is broken ... A new newspaper is resting ....
  • Irina M
    Irina M 13 May 2020 18: 41 New
    +5
    Thank you for the article. I'm glad that not all Russians reacted so negatively to the Belarusian, but in truth, to our common Victory Parade.
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  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 13 May 2020 18: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: dedusik
    Quote: vavilon
    But Belarus remained the only one true to the traditions of its ancestors

    And what traditions can we talk about if in the USSR from 1945 to 1990 only 4 parades were held, and from 1947 to 1965 Victory Day was generally a working day


    So the parades in Soviet times I only dreamed ... oh, this kid ...
    1. dedusik
      dedusik 15 May 2020 16: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Oleg1
      Quote: dedusik
      Quote: vavilon
      But Belarus remained the only one true to the traditions of its ancestors

      And what traditions can we talk about if in the USSR from 1945 to 1990 only 4 parades were held, and from 1947 to 1965 Victory Day was generally a working day


      So the parades in Soviet times I only dreamed ... oh, this kid ...

      This "kid" is already 71 years old, so I saw enough of the parades on November 7, but on Victory Day, as I already wrote, only 4 parades were held, and all for the anniversary of 1945, 1965, 1985 and 1990. And the fact that after 1995 they were held annually, Belarus has nothing to do with them, it was already a separate country and there can be no talk of any traditions. Learn better, kid and think, analyze bully
  • candidate
    candidate 13 May 2020 18: 53 New
    +1
    ... indecision is always
    Leading to losses, gentlemen.
    Well, since fear was around
    So the matter is your seam ...