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American historian Hasegawa: Japan hoped to end the war mediated by Moscow

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American historian Hasegawa: Japan hoped to end the war mediated by Moscow

The British press published material by Rona Shennan, who is trying to explain to her readers why, after the fall of the Nazi regime in Germany, Japan continued to resist.


Shannan in the INews publication writes that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the US Air Force on August 6 and 9, respectively, led to the surrender of Japan. At the same time, the British journalist reports that the role was played (quote) "and the attack of the Soviet army on the Japanese army."

Rona Shennan, even with some reproach to the USSR, states literally the following:

Although the Soviets were allied with Great Britain and the United States in the fight against Hitler, they did not actually wage war with Japan until the signing of the Potsdam Declaration.

But Ms. Shannon decided not to tell the readers about whether the USA and Britain were conducting military operations against Nazi Germany before the opening of the second front in 1944. Why tell, if in the White House it was the USA and Britain that were called the "main victors of Nazism" ...

From INews Material:

In fact, the Soviet Union and Japan signed a neutrality pact in April 1941, which benefited both sides during the war.

But in Britain, where they like to recall the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, this time they don’t mention a word, since they would have to tell their readers that Hitler didn’t prevent such an attack on the Soviet Union, and therefore the USSR in the first years of the war and from Japan expected an attack.

From the article:

The Soviets violated their treaty with Japan and carried out a massive invasion of its territory, which destroyed a huge number of Japanese soldiers.

On "its territory"? .. And there is not a word that Japan occupied these territories. But the author writes:

Joseph Stalin, the leader of the Soviet Union, decided to do this because he promised the British and American authorities to join the war against Japan after the defeat of Nazi Germany. According to the American historian (of Japanese origin) Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, the attack of the Soviet Union destroyed Japan's hopes that they could put an end to the war with the help of Moscow.

The mentioned Hasegawa announces that Japan allegedly “counted” on the USSR in the hope that Moscow “will help end the war with its mediation between Japan and the United States.”

Hasegawa:

The entry of the Soviet Union into the war played a much larger role than atomic bombs in prompting Japan to surrender, because it deprived the Japanese authorities of any hope that Japan could end the war through the mediation of Moscow.

As can be seen even from this material, the Western interpretations of the end of World War II, to put it mildly, are original. The message was: there were atomic bombs from the USA, but "destroyed a huge number of Japanese soldiers of the USSR." About the destroyed civilians - silence.

And Mr. Hasegawa for some reason does not say, but what prevented Japan from capitulating - "without the expected mediation mission" of the Soviet Union.
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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 12 May 2020 11: 44 New
    18
    I think that the USSR did not fight with Japan, but simply pushed the Americans away from its borders. A purely personal opinion.
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 12 May 2020 12: 32 New
      20
      The USSR returned those Russian lands that the "holy passion-bearer" Nicholas II had lost for Russia. The USSR did not violate the treaty of neutrality with Japan. Because Stalin had to maintain this neutrality during an attack on Japan by a third country, and Japan was the first to attack the ally of the USSR itself, which at that moment was the United States!
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 12 May 2020 12: 46 New
        -4
        Quote: Greg Miller
        The USSR returned those Russian lands that the "holy passion-bearer" Nicholas II had lost for Russia.

        Not everything was so harsh, Finland and Poland were also part of the empire.

        Quote: Greg Miller
        Because Stalin had to maintain this neutrality when attacking a third country in Japan, and Japan was the first to attack an ally of the USSR,

        The same can be said about the Berlin Pact.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 12 May 2020 14: 11 New
          10
          The message is this: there were atomic bombs from the United States, but "destroyed a huge number of Japanese soldiers of the USSR." About the destroyed civilian population (in the Japanese commentary) - silence.

          Really. The main merit in the defeat of the Japanese Armed Forces outside of Japan in WWII belongs to the USSR.
          But about the destruction of the civilian population of Japan in Japan itself - this is butchery on the part of the United States, about which the Japanese are silent for nothing. Namely.

          The US Air Force destroyed 90% of the territory (with cities and civilians) of Japan itself, completely by carpet bombing, of which only 6% fell on the territory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
          There was no longer any need for this — in such total bombardments — neither for the USSR, nor for Japan itself. However, this was necessary for the USA itself.
          On the one hand, the United States fully intended to economically and politically subjugate and subjugate Japan after the war.
          On the other hand, the United States demonstrated to the USSR and the whole world its nuclear weapons - its nuclear power - to establish its new world order in the post-war world, and so that no country in the world dares to continue to resist Washington's hegemony.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 12 May 2020 14: 32 New
            +9
            All right. So it was, and how artificially the Japanese forget about what the Japanese troops did in China! Shine
          2. Courier
            Courier 12 May 2020 15: 54 New
            -15
            The main merit in the defeat of the Japanese Armed Forces outside of Japan in WWII belongs to the USSR.

            I agree.
            Coral Sea, Midway, Solomon Islands, New Guinea, Indonesia, Marshall Islands, Mariana Islands, Gilbert Islands, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia liberated the Red Banner Soviet Fleet.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 12 May 2020 18: 03 New
              +7
              Quote: Courier
              The main merit in the defeat of the Japanese Armed Forces outside of Japan in WWII belongs to the USSR.

              I agree.
              Coral Sea, Midway, Solomon Islands, New Guinea, Indonesia, Marshall Islands, Mariana Islands, Gilbert Islands, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia liberated the Red Banner Soviet Fleet.

              Yeah, but destroyed the most powerful army in Japan (Kwantung) and liberated the United States Marine Corps!
              1. Courier
                Courier 12 May 2020 19: 01 New
                -17
                The most powerful? This is probably why she was in China.

                The main contribution to the defeat of Japan made USA.
                The alliance with Japan fought for less than a month.
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 12 May 2020 19: 37 New
                  11
                  Quote: Courier
                  The alliance with Japan fought for less than a month.

                  Because at that time (1945), no army of the world in a direct battle could fight with the Union and its army for more than a month! There are no examples here about forcing straits and oceans, this is a separate issue. The second most powerful army in the world on the eve was defeated by the Red Army 95% to the nines with the banner of victory in the capital.
                  1. Kisa
                    Kisa 12 May 2020 20: 58 New
                    +1
                    most likely the scenario would be repeated when the Germans tormented themselves with the British Isles having tremendous successes on land ... well right now what to guess
          3. itis
            itis 13 May 2020 21: 10 New
            +2
            Japan, like Italy, is still completely officially occupied by the United States. Just don't look and see. The USSR fought with the Japanese so-so, according to the Yalta treaty with the allies. The Great Patriotic War was quickly defeated in a fever. The United States was butting off Pearl Harbor in the Pacific Ocean. It was their LBD against the Axis as our allies. And yes, the bomb was not needed in principle, but no one would have resisted
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 12 May 2020 13: 10 New
        +7
        The USSR returned those Russian lands that the "holy passion-bearer" Nicholas II had lost for Russia.

        This is yes.

        From the conversation of I.V. Stalin with US President F. D. Roosevelt during the Yalta Conference on February 8, 1945
        "... Marshal Stalin said that he would like to discuss the political conditions under which the USSR would enter the war against Japan ...
        The President said that ... he believes that there will be no difficulty in transferring to Russia the southern half of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands at the end of the war.
        ... Marshal Stalin said that there is another question, and it concerns the use of Russian Manchurian railways.
        ... Marshal Stalin said that if these conditions are not met, then it is clear that both he and Molotov will find it difficult to explain to the Soviet people why Russia is entering the war against Japan. The Soviet people clearly understand the war against Germany, which threatened the very existence of the Soviet Union, but they will not understand why Russia is entering a war against a country with which it has no serious problems. However, he said, if these political conditions are satisfied, the Soviet people will understand the national interests associated with this, and it will be much easier to explain the decision to the Supreme Soviet. "
      3. sanja.grw
        sanja.grw 12 May 2020 13: 35 New
        +4
        Let them watch the video
    2. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 12 May 2020 13: 04 New
      +4
      In the year 905, who chopped off from Russia such a frail kusman of zemlyatse?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 12 May 2020 13: 07 New
        -14
        Quote: seregatara1969
        In the year 905, who chopped off from Russia such a frail kusman of zemlyatse?

        In fairness, I want to note that Russia first chopped off this kusman from the Chinese, as a result of the "boxer uprising" in 1900.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 12 May 2020 15: 54 New
          +6
          gray
          Until 1947, a single China simply did NOT EXIST. There were many small Chinas with different names. This Mao began to put together a single country from different ethnic groups. In China, a nation is still being formed with the assimilation of the local population into * Chinese *. Dissenters are destroyed without pity and looking back at * cultural features *
          THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE seized adjacent territories in the Caucasus in Turkestan, Xinjiang, and Manchuria from which raided local wild tribes.
          In the case of the Chinese, they destroyed not only lyudolov but also cannibals.
          By the way, the Japanese, too, did not disdain to taste the humans.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 12 May 2020 18: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Vasily50
            gray
            Until 1947, a single China simply did NOT EXIST. There were many small Chinas with different names.

            Well, I don’t know, it’s not for me - it’s for the Empress Cixi or Cixi (I don’t remember her there), she was alone for some reason.
    3. knn54
      knn54 12 May 2020 13: 05 New
      +5
      - Yes, and Mr. Hasegawa for some reason does not say, but what prevented Japan from capitulating - "without the expected mediating mission" of the Soviet Union.
      But did not Japan want to carry out with the Anglo-Saxons against the USSR something analogous to the "Unthinkable" plan?
      Counting on help, while keeping the millionth Kwantung army on the border, is an obvious absurdity.
      I am grateful to the historian for not blaming the USSR for the nuclear bombing of Japanese cities.
      But taking into account the toothless "counter propaganda" of the Russian Federation is still ahead.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 May 2020 13: 12 New
        -2
        In the first lines of the Unthinkable plan were the conditions for its application.
        One of them was the USSR and Japan entered into a military alliance.
      2. avg
        avg 12 May 2020 13: 52 New
        +5
        But taking into account the toothless "counter propaganda" of the Russian Federation is still ahead.

        So already groan from our inhumanity:
        "The Soviets violated their treaty with Japan and carried out a massive invasion of Japan that killed a huge number of Japanese soldiers."
        And they completely forget about the unnecessary carpet bombardment of Tokyo on March 10, 1945, as a result of which over 100 thousand civilians were burned.
        Typical revenge of the Anglo-Saxons as in Dresden in February 1945.
    4. iouris
      iouris 12 May 2020 14: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: Gray Brother
      I’m thinking that the USSR didn’t fight with Japan, but simply pushed the Americans away

      At the initiative of the United States and Great Britain, the USSR accepted the obligation three months after the defeat of Nazi Germany to begin military operations against Japan. This commitment has been fulfilled. This commitment has been faithfully fulfilled. Permanent members of the UN jointly defeated the aggressive, aggressive militaristic state. The prestige of the USSR has grown, the geopolitical benefits received by the USSR from the defeat of the Japanese Kwantung army are evident. The defeat of the powerful Japanese group in Manchuria accelerated the process of creating the PRC.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 12 May 2020 14: 13 New
        -5
        At the initiative of the United States and Great Britain, the USSR accepted the obligation three months after the defeat of Nazi Germany to begin military operations against Japan. This commitment has been fulfilled. This commitment has been faithfully fulfilled.

        But from the point of view of Japan, the USSR violated the non-aggression pact and became an aggressor.
    5. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 13 May 2020 21: 51 New
      0
      and this too. But let’s in fact: Japan would attack our eastern frontiers if it weren’t for the Halkin-Gol, where the Japanese were wound on tracks. + 32 divisions at the beginning of the war, followed by an increase to 60 divisions on May 9, 1945 .. So the Japanese did not attack not because of decency, but because of the banal understanding of the futility of this process, although Hitler insisted on more active actions by Japan. Another thing is important ... The Allies urged Stalin to take part in the war against Japan - this was a mandatory requirement of the United States, which was very slightly washed with blood in operations on the islands and they were not pleased with the likelihood of similar battles on the mainland or other Japanese islands. And now the Allies put in Russia's guilt in the operation against Japan ..
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 13 May 2020 22: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        : Japan would attack our eastern frontiers if not for the Halkin Gol,

        Yes, in fact, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was also signed at the same time because of Japan, because it was not clear whether this conflict would become a full-scale war, and with Hitler on the side it would be a very bad option.
        At the same time, Germany violated the Anti-Comintern Pact of 1936.
        The Japanese were very offended by all this, and, as you correctly wrote, they also got it right down to the heap.
  2. faterdom
    faterdom 12 May 2020 11: 45 New
    21
    Another "pay and repent".
    Everyone is hoping for something.
    And we hope that they will still remember the reign of the current Guarantor like a sweet dream that any next one will be tougher and more direct with them: the topic of the Kuriles is closed forever and cannot be discussed, "sharing of territories" is shutting down, any discussion in the Japanese officialdom is right there sanctions against enterprises with Japanese capital. The ban on the export of unprocessed fish products to Japan, the S-400 Kimu, and so on ... They will forget how to talk nonsense at once.
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 12 May 2020 12: 34 New
      -11
      Putintsy rather Kuril Islands give Japan than do the way you want ...
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 12 May 2020 12: 50 New
        14
        Liberal sweet dream laughing
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 12 May 2020 12: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Putintsy rather Kuril Islands give Japan than do the way you want.

        Move there soon - you will become a citizen of Japan.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 12 May 2020 13: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Gray Brother

          Move there soon - you will become a citizen of Japan.

          In the 90s, under Yeltsin, when there was a conversation about the return of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, the number of people of Caucasian ethnicity there sharply increased. Thought the most cunning, under the guise of obtaining Japanese citizenship. The bummer has turned out. laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 12 May 2020 13: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: orionvitt
            Thought the most cunning, under the guise of obtaining Japanese citizenship. The bummer has turned out.

            Well, why was this writing? Maybe one resident of the Kuril Islands would have become more, would have settled at a fish factory there, would have taken up business ... lol
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 12 May 2020 13: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: Gray Brother
              I would get a job at a fish factory there, get busy ...

              A person of Caucasian nationality, to the factory .... I don’t even know. laughing Previously, such anecdotes were circulated only about representatives of the "chosen nation". I don’t know about the fish factory, but if they gave the Kuril Islands, the Japanese would quickly find out what shawarma is. lol
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 12 May 2020 13: 35 New
                0
                Quote: orionvitt
                A person of Caucasian nationality, to the factory .... I don’t even know.

                And there is nothing more to do. There are no other options.
              2. Doctor
                Doctor 12 May 2020 14: 14 New
                +1
                the Japanese would quickly find out what shawarma is.

                With the Japanese it will not work. They even have Asian brothers sitting under benches.
  3. Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 May 2020 11: 46 New
    +7
    The main thing is to sketch pseudo-facts in the right direction. 90% of the population of many countries will be swallowed.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 12 May 2020 11: 55 New
      -3
      Exactly! But this should work both ways! For example, find the "Podstdam Secret Protocol" on the theme that if the USSR does not go to war with Japan, then the United States and Britain will deliver a nuclear strike against the group of Soviet troops in Berlin. wink
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 12 May 2020 12: 35 New
        +1
        You REN TV less watch ...
    2. Vend
      Vend 12 May 2020 12: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Pavel57
      The main thing is to sketch pseudo-facts in the right direction. 90% of the population of many countries will be swallowed.

      It is not a topic for 90% to swallow it in Russia, but in other countries they have long been trying to get rid of their connection with Nazi Germany.
    3. avg
      avg 12 May 2020 14: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      The main thing is to sketch pseudo-facts in the right direction. 90% of the population of many countries will be swallowed.

      If we had not entered the war with Japan, Madame would have accused us of betraying the allies.
      But the most interesting thing is that, pitying the Japanese soldiers, she does not mention not 35 million Chinese, not what the Japanese generally did on this territory.
  4. parkello
    parkello 12 May 2020 11: 55 New
    +4
    they will not understand. Japan dumped a lot of money on the British before WWII and WWII. bought a lot of things from them. mainly ships, machine guns and personal small arms. this is before the First World War. and then actively collaborated. before the start of World War II. im kind of japan ..good customer. and now Japan is in the same trench with them. therefore, they are silent about everything. they need to blame, no matter who ... the gut is thin in America, yes ... and they are also allies. But Russia is just right. The USSR is no more ... no one will hold a grudge. youth stupid and clogged. all conditions as they say. Russia has few friends now ... no one will notice anything like. It’s a common Western practice to find a terpil and lay a crown of thorns for him, not a dog’s tail. It’s profitable now that Japan would be terpal. peace ... they are kind of good ... we could ... and about 2 we wouldn’t remember, under Khalkhin Gol and Tsushima and ... unless they kicked them in the ass. nothing .. time will put everything in its place, sorry for the people. although such people are not very sorry for me. winked
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 May 2020 11: 56 New
    +5
    The Soviets violated their treaty with Japan and carried out a massive invasion on its territorywhich destroyed a huge number of Japanese soldiers.
    Such twists and turns can only be mastered by the Anglo-Saxons, who by default, if they know history, then selectively. And what a tear and tremor in the voice from the "crimes" of the USSR is felt in the story of Rona Shannan when you read about the huge number of destroyed Japanese soldiers. The Japanese are more open and honest when they talk about Japan's hopes.
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 12 May 2020 11: 57 New
    +2
    During the war years, the number of their armed sorties, despite the existence of a neutrality pact, increased. In total, units and formations of the Kwantung Army during the war years 779 times violated the land border, and Japanese planes 433 times invaded the airspace of the USSR. Soviet territory was often bombarded, other hostile acts were committed. These were targeted provocative actions. Confirmation is the promise made by the Japanese general staff to the German command "to carry out subversive activities in the Far East against the Soviet Union, especially from Mongolia and from Manzhou-Go, primarily in the area adjacent to Lake Baikal."

    Take out the professor)))
  7. BARKAS
    BARKAS 12 May 2020 11: 58 New
    +4
    An American Japanese woman in a British publication which article can be guessed even before reading.
  8. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 12: 00 New
    -11

    But Ms. Shannon decided not to tell the readers about whether the USA and Britain were conducting military operations against Nazi Germany before the opening of the second front in 1944.

    Probably because the United States and Britain fought against Germany? In France, Norway, Greece, North Africa, Italy, in the Atlantic, in the Arctic, in the sky of Germany ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 12 May 2020 12: 40 New
      15
      and ours sat in the trenches of Stalingrad ....
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 12: 46 New
        -5
        And ours (including my grandfather, and his dead brothers) fought together and with the help of allies. And do not forget this. And in my opinion, the USSR (and especially Russia alone) alone could not win.
        1. novel66
          novel66 12 May 2020 12: 47 New
          16
          allies ... rushed only when it was time to share Europe
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 13: 11 New
            -2
            Well yes. In August 1941, when the first convoy from Britain arrived, or in September 1941, when 151 Royal Air Force squadrons landed in the Arctic to protect Murmansk?
            1. novel66
              novel66 12 May 2020 13: 15 New
              +8
              supply is good, but the second front ... by the way. I'm afraid to be mistaken, it seems that tanks in the "desert" color appeared near Stalingrad. I wonder where ... from the war, probably ..
              1. pin_code
                pin_code 12 May 2020 13: 44 New
                0
                in the 6th army there was a sandy-colored tank corps, these tanks were originally intended for Rommel in Africa. from our side I do not remember such. If you know, share the material.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 12 May 2020 13: 55 New
                  +5
                  I'm talking about the Germans ... the offense is ours ... to the one who fought and who defended the interests
                2. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 16: 08 New
                  -3
                  The 6th Army had three tank divisions, all of them have fought in the East since the beginning of the war. No parts intended for Africa were planned there.
              2. Doctor
                Doctor 12 May 2020 14: 18 New
                -2
                but here is the second front ..

                At one symposium, after a couple of strong glasses, one of our associate professors reproached the Englishman for the late opening of the second front.
                To which I received an answer:
                "Hitler and I began fighting on September 3, 1939, and you on June 22, 1941.
                So whose front is the second? "
                1. albert
                  albert 12 May 2020 23: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Arzt
                  "Hitler and I began fighting on September 3, 1939, and you on June 22, 1941.
                  So whose front is the second? "

                  The one where more Germans were killed.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 12 May 2020 23: 31 New
                    0
                    The one where more Germans were killed.

                    There is no arguing. +
                    Only you, of course, had in mind the first front - ours, the second - allies.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 12 May 2020 13: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          alone could not win

          Two years more would have fought, but would have won anyway. Of course with the help more convenient.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 12 May 2020 14: 35 New
            -5
            Two years more would have fought, but would have won anyway. Of course with the help more convenient.

            Counted more than once in the west and ours.
            The result is one - without allies we are finished.
            The truth is without them too. England for sure.
        3. T.Henks
          T.Henks 12 May 2020 15: 36 New
          +4
          List in the studio. Do not offer ambiguities. Tales of the generous Yankees too.
    2. parkello
      parkello 12 May 2020 12: 44 New
      10
      Britain, yes. Fought against Germany, but got hit hard. therefore they boldly rushed to flee to save their colonies and sit in them while representatives of other nations fought as best they could against the Germans with their own forces. the Americans were in no hurry to go to war. they sold equipment on both sides. and they skedaddle, especially from Greece at full steam .. overtaking their own shadow. and only when it became clear that the Germans could not hold Italy and Greece, they landed there. we saw how they fight. especially in France in 1944 ... in Normandy. and not only Americans fought there, but New Zealand, Canada, Britain and the United States fought with Australia. in Italy, if there had not been a strong anti-fascist movement, the hell with two they would have stuck there. they remembered how in Libya (near Tobruk) the Germans piled on them. so they weren’t particularly eager to go to war. but in Cyprus, until 1956, they "fought" with the civilian population. and the Greeks were encouraged to use napalm against the communists. although it was they who won in Greece. I have never been a communist myself. I was baptized in the Russian Church. But I cannot deny the victory of the Communists in Northern Greece. they won here. go to the Serbian cemetery in Thessaloniki ... young guys, Serbs stood here to death, with the Indians whom the British threw here like cattle .. for slaughter. Not one of them ran. to them honor and praise ... but not to the British and Americans. you would have attributed the French to them. they also "fought" with the invaders. especially French women ... in our country only because a girl came to the Germans with her head uncovered could shoot her own. and the French women were so wow, they had romance with the Fritzes, lived and worked as if nothing had happened. They gave concerts. We watched movies and wandered around restaurants. shitty warriors ...
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 13: 13 New
        -1
        The British fought no worse than other nations. And in some places, and so that others did not even dream.
        1. parkello
          parkello 12 May 2020 13: 18 New
          +3
          Well, where did they fight well? suppressing the sepoy uprising in India? or in Africa against the natives with spears? and who did not even dream of it, I would like to hear. in Crete, if they fought because there was nowhere to run. around the sea. and the Germans in the air. and there the Cretans themselves didn’t fight with them so weakly that everyone used everything. and where was the mighty British army? oh yes .. they triumphantly sat in Central Africa and India ... and fought from there ... well yes. of course. clap or kiss them. after all this?
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 14: 28 New
            -3
            They cowardly sat in Tobruk and El-Alamein, cowardly beat the Luftwaffe over Britain, over Malta, cowardly sank the Bismarck and Tirpitz ...
            1. chenia
              chenia 12 May 2020 17: 31 New
              +6
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Cowardly holed up in Tobruk and El Alamein, cowardly


              Not. not cowardly but extremely inept. Africa - 2,5 years struggle with 4 German divisions. having 4-fold superiority (and this is taking into account the Italians). Dieppe (there in general insanity) Canadians gouged German disabled people. Crete - in 10 days 2 landing (light) divisions defeated (count as shoulder blades) one and a half more British. sitting in prepared fortifications. Southeast Asia is better not to recall (but it is against Japan). Dunkirk is also zilch.
              And only when we broke off the Germans near Kursk, already an ally began to fight with a dozen and a half German divisions.

              And knowing the ratio of how many allies and how much we were measured out by a little, I ask (as a Jew) that it is more than $ 100 or 5 (although 5 is also money)?
          2. T.Henks
            T.Henks 12 May 2020 15: 39 New
            +3
            In transylvania with the Boers.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 12 May 2020 18: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: T.Henks
              In transylvania with the Boers.

              belay Liberated Romania from the Dutch colonialists? good
              Now I know how the kangaroos ended up in Austria yes
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 12 May 2020 19: 34 New
        +2
        and the Greeks were offered to use napalm against the communists.

        Not offered, but used napalm.
    3. Cowbra
      Cowbra 12 May 2020 13: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Greece

      And, in Greece, yes - fought with Germany. After the war, she fought with the SS division - against the Greek anti-fascist underground!
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        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 12 May 2020 13: 36 New
          +2
          A month later, in December 1944, the humanitarian operation escalated into a military clash with the city's ELAS units. Since the original British forces of 8 British soldiers, the Greek 3rd Mountain Brigade (2.800 men), the gendarmerie and police, and ultra-right organizations (2.500 people) were not enough, it was decided to openly use the "security battalions" of former collaborators together with British troops. Much later, the Deputy Minister of War, Leonidas Spais, wrote: "It was the decision of the British and mine. I do not justify my actions, but there was no other choice. Our military forces were exhausted. We had 27 thousand people of" security battalions "at our disposal. We used 12 thousand, the least compromised [

          On December 5, Lieutenant General Skoby imposed martial law and the next day ordered the aerial bombardment of the workers' quarter.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 14: 25 New
            -4
            That is, the British supported the internationally recognized (including the USSR) government in a civil war against left-wing organizations? I do not see a bigger problem in this than the arrest of members of the partisan detachments of the Home Army in Lvov and Vilna, who liberated these cities side by side with the red partisans and the Red Army. Or a war against the AK of the Polish Communists with the involvement of Soviet military units.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 12 May 2020 14: 34 New
              +5
              The fact that the British fought against the anti-fascist underground, with the assistance of the SS units, also shot civilians and bombed residential areas. Because there were peaceful demonstrations of anti-fascists. and the government at that time no one recognized - there was an occupation administration, the martial law in the country was introduced by an English general!
              Again you caught a direct lie? Not tired of yourself?
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 16: 05 New
                -3
                There was no occupation administration. There was an expeditionary force of British troops, arrived by agreement with the government of Papandreou (internationally recognized). And the demonstration on December 4 was peaceful exactly until the moment when the demonstrators tried to snatch the weapons from the hands of the surrounded Greek soldiers. A shot in the air and grenades flew from the crowd at the Greeks and British. Return fire, a bunch of wounded and killed. The next day, leftist detachments systematically seize the port of Piraeus, block the road to Athens, blockade and shell British units. Moreover, they fire from nearby residential areas. When I read this (by the way, thanks for the tip, I was practically not interested in this topic) I had a very persistent feeling of de-javu. It's not ELAS, but Hamas. Talk about "defending freedom" + shooting from behind the backs of civilians. And most importantly - "We run faster until the response arrives." Plus the takeover of the power plant and the forced closure of all stores. Further more interesting - the British respond with all their foolishness to the firing points, rush the aircraft, transfer Indian units from Italy and methodically cleanse Athens. The resistance ceases as if by magic, ELAS surrenders its weapons (the demonstration was against the disarmament of the leftist fighting units, although this was spelled out in the agreements), its fighters surrender to be interned in Corfu.
                1. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 12 May 2020 17: 05 New
                  +5
                  Means not tired. We read: "On December 5, Lieutenant General Scobie introduced martial law." Who is Lieutenant General? President, to declare martial law in the country? Or even a Greek ?!
                  The worst thing for you is not that you were again caught lying, but that you dipped twice in your own stupidity
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 17: 46 New
                    -3
                    Read the information not in Russian, there will be many discoveries.
                    1. Cowbra
                      Cowbra 12 May 2020 18: 05 New
                      +2
                      Information from the Pedivikia source supervised by the State Department, go to Goodwin - he distributes sawdust with needles there. Here you are - there will definitely be happiness
      2. parkello
        parkello 12 May 2020 13: 25 New
        +5
        resistance. which by the way forced the Germans to leave on their own ... but they were already sitting like a bone in the throat for the British. and the Greeks defeated the Italians, and fought against the Bulgarians, who brazenly demanded the whole of Macedonia. and the Turks allied with them. kept 2 million army on the border with Georgia and Armenia, against the USSR. and then when the Germans lost, they declared war on them and entered as a victorious country ... fuck. How many "heroically warring countries" there were ... and we don't know anything about them crying
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 12 May 2020 12: 07 New
    +5
    There was an agreement with the allies to help finish off Japan no later than three months. after the defeat of Germany. We had no non-aggression pacts with Japan. There was actually a truce. Japan at 41 did not attack only because it understood the scale and costs of the war in the Pacific and could not be scattered, and they remembered Khalkhin Gol. We needed this to return positions in the Pacific Ocean and return half of Sakhalin with the Kuriles. So what about the violation of contracts - childish babble from the category "they did not act like a kid." Both Japan and the USSR understood the inevitability of such a development of events. Yes, in general, for Japan, the defeat of the Kwantung Army is not enough, which he imagined in its position after nuclear strikes on its cities, it was pointless to wait for new ones.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 May 2020 12: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Yes, in general, for Japan, the defeat of the Kwantung Army is not enough, which he imagined in its position after nuclear attacks on its cities, it was pointless to wait for new ones.

      The point is not the defeat of the Kwantung Army. The very entry of the USSR into the war was a shock for Japan, comparable to the atomic bombing.
      August 10. A new bomb was dropped on Japan yesterday. This time the goal was the city of Nagasaki. Another terrible news came upon us, like a flash of lightning in a clear sky. Russia declared war and invaded Manchuria and North Korea. We heard that huge land armies and entire hordes of bombers were thrown into battle.
      This meant the last blow to Japan, which already froze in anticipation of an imminent invasion of the Americans.
      © War Diary of Horikoshi Jiro
      Until recently, the Japanese persuaded the USSR to become a mediator in negotiations with the Allies - even after the surrender of the Reich (they persuaded for so long that they themselves believed in such an opportunity). For the Japanese leadership, the USSR was seen as the last hope for a more or less worthy way out of the war. And here is the Manchu operation. That's it, they arrived - the collapse of all plans, there will be no peace negotiations, the only potential mediator has turned into an enemy. smile
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 12 May 2020 12: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Until recently, the Japanese persuaded the USSR to become a mediator in negotiations with the Allies - even after the surrender of the Reich (they persuaded for so long that they themselves believed in such an opportunity). For the Japanese leadership, the USSR was seen as the last hope for a more or less worthy way out of the war. And here is the Manchu operation. That's it, they arrived - the collapse of all plans, there will be no peace negotiations, the only potential mediator has turned into an enemy.
        Reply

        Already a tear crying reading ... Poor fellow .. It was necessary for them to take Hokkaido so that the Ainu were not oppressed.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 12 May 2020 12: 48 New
          +9
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Already shed a tear while reading ... Poor fellow ..

          And don’t talk. The Ugly, Ugly USSR: after all, the Japanese did so much good to him - regular provocations at the border, detention of ships, sinking of ships - and the USSR repaid them for this with black ingratitude, declaring war in the end. laughing
          First, they stabbed the bear in the ass with an awl, when it was busy in the West, and when the bear dealt with the eagle and turned to the East to find out who was so fearless there - so immediately, "but what about us ?!"
          1. ANB
            ANB 12 May 2020 14: 45 New
            +4
            ... so immediately "and we are for sho ?!".

            Here it still reminds me of someone.
            But I don’t think of anyone.
            Can someone tell me?
            :)
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 12 May 2020 13: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Hokkaido had to be taken from them so that the Ainu are not oppressed

          Not in time, the Japanese quickly jumped off. Moreover, they signed everything quickly and without any negotiations, which seemed to be "dreamed of" throughout the war.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 12 May 2020 12: 49 New
      -3
      We had no non-aggression treaties with Japan

      It only happens with Vinokur: "We play here, we don't play here ..."
      Everything is concrete in international politics.

      PACT ON NEUTRALITY BETWEEN THE UNION OF THE SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC AND JAPAN
      13 April 1941 city
      .
      A rticle I
      Both Contracting Parties undertake to maintain peaceful and friendly relations among themselves and mutually respect territorial integrity and integrity of the other Contracting Party.
      A rticle II
      In case one of the Contracting Parties will be the subject of hostilities by one or more third parties, the other Contracting Party will remain neutral throughout the conflict.
      .

      We needed this to return our positions in the Pacific Ocean and to return half of Sakhalin with the Kuril Islands.

      So what about the violation of contracts - babbling from the category "they did not act like a kid."

      You have interesting logic.
    3. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 12 May 2020 12: 51 New
      +6
      The Neutrality Pact between the USSR and Japan is the Soviet-Japanese agreement on mutual neutrality, signed in Moscow on April 13, 1941, two years after the border conflict on the Khalkhin-gol river. It was denounced by the USSR on April 5, 1945.
    4. Avior
      Avior 12 May 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Between the USSR and Japan was a neutrality pact, signed in 1941
      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пакт_о_нейтралитете_между_СССР_и_Японией_(1941)
  10. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 12 May 2020 12: 09 New
    +1
    All attempts of "zhurnalizdov" and "historians" of the new wave will continue constantly, as long as the Russian authorities are suffering from impotence! You can shake the air for a long time, inside: the electorate may "eat", but it's already full
    Really, they don’t dare to kick a strong country like that
    Here we can draw conclusions ...
    Sad ...
  11. regdan
    regdan 12 May 2020 12: 12 New
    -1
    Once again, they wiped their feet about Russia. Congratulations to all on this event.
    1. parkello
      parkello 12 May 2020 12: 26 New
      +1
      it’s convenient to wipe your feet about who is between them ... you can still put your legs on your neck. it happens differently ... well, lying on your back. so do not congratulate those.
  12. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 12 May 2020 12: 17 New
    +4
    Everything is according to the worked out template: half-truth + manipulation of meanings + shift of accents and, get, sign "new truth".
  13. faterdom
    faterdom 12 May 2020 12: 20 New
    +8
    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    Yes, in general, for Japan, the defeat of the Kwantung Army is not enough, which he imagined in its position after nuclear attacks on its cities, it was pointless to wait for new ones.

    Well, yes, just a coincidence ... After the atomic strikes, Japan did not capitulate, and after the defeat of the Kwantung Army something suddenly wanted to.
    Just a lot of things have changed - very important resource territories have been lost, and almost all ground forces, very numerous and well armed, with combat experience, have been irretrievably lost. Probably, the Americans would have won sooner or later, but it would hardly have happened in the 45th year, or maybe not in the 46th.
    By the way, the Americans did not have new atomic bombs at the time of surrender, they still had to be manufactured, and this time and money ...
  14. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 12 May 2020 12: 22 New
    +2
    The mentioned Hasegawa announces that Japan allegedly “counted” on the USSR in the hope that Moscow “will help end the war with its mediation between Japan and the United States.”

    The most interesting thing is that in fact it was - the Japanese Foreign Ministry somewhere in 1943 counted on the mediation of the USSR in the peace negotiations between Japan and the Allies. More precisely, Japan proposed a tricky plan to the USSR: it becomes an intermediary in negotiations with the Reich, in exchange for which the USSR becomes an intermediary in negotiations with the Allies. But it was 1943, and for the USSR, peace negotiations with the Reich were no longer relevant. But for some reason, the Japanese believed that the USSR would agree to the second part of the cunning plan, it was only necessary to persuade it better - and lived with this faith until August 1945.
    The Foreign Ministry managed to infect even IJN with its faith. smile
  15. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 12 May 2020 12: 22 New
    +3
    And Mr. Hasegawa for some reason does not say, but what prevented Japan from capitulating - "without the expected mediation mission" of the Soviet Union.

    Mass madness in the Japanese Foreign Ministry. smile Until recently, they believed that the USSR was only raising the price, and in fact, it was ready to act as an intermediary. Moreover, this insanity has spread to other departments.
    The Japanese government, having received a message about the Soviet Union's denunciation of the Soviet-Japanese neutrality pact, instructed its ambassador in Moscow Sato to find out the Soviet Union’s stance on neutrality. On April 7, the USSR government announced that its position remained unchanged. However, from reports received even earlier from the headquarters of the Kwantung Army, it became clear that parts of the Soviet Army continued to be transferred to Europe from the East.
    Since such actions of the Soviet Union had a huge impact on the general military situation, in particular on the decisive battle for Japan proper, the Stavka was fully aware of the need to take decisive diplomatic measures to prevent the Soviet Union from entering the war against Japan. The then Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Kawabe Torajiro, stated the above-mentioned wish to the Togo Foreign Minister on April 22 and added that, as the Deputy Chief of the General Staff, he would give the Minister comprehensive support in carrying out these measures. The next day, the Chief of General Staff, Umezu, informed the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Togo about this request. The fleet command took the same position, as Togo was informed by the deputy chief of the naval general staff of Kodzawa, who emphasized the desirability of obtaining fuel from the Soviet Union.

    © Hattori Takushiro
    The USSR terminates the neutrality pact - IJN wants to receive fuel from the USSR. belay
    Further more:
    Meetings of the Supreme Council on the management of the war in this composition were held on May 11, 12 and 14. At the first meeting, Chief of General Staff Umezu made a report on the transfer of Soviet troops from the European Theater to the East and insisted on the need to prevent the Soviet Union from entering the war against Japan through diplomatic measures. The remaining members of the High Council agreed with this proposal.
    Then the representatives of the fleet suggested that during negotiations with the Soviet Union the issue of the supply of military materials by the Soviet Union, in particular oil, be discussed. Insisting on this proposal, the fleet command believed that achieving the goal would be difficult. Nevertheless, Togo considered it possible to draw the Soviet Union to the side of Japan, despite the general military situation and the possible strengthening of cooperation between the allies and the Soviet Union as a result of the Yalta Conference. He added that the situation in Japan now requires urgent action to end the war.
    According to Prime Minister Suzuki, the opinion of Togo that it is not too late to achieve a benevolent attitude of the Soviet Union may be quite justified and it would be unreasonable to abandon any attempt to use the Soviet Union in the interests of Japan; Moreover, negotiations with the Soviet Union should also have as their goal the achievement of mediation by the Soviet Union for the conclusion of a common peace with the Allies. This statement of Suzuki coincided with the opinion of Togo; representatives of the military command did not particularly object to him.
    Then a general agreement was reached regarding rather significant concessions to the Soviet Union in exchange for the resumption of friendly relations with it.

    In order to find ways to negotiate with the USSR, Togo decided, first of all, with the help of informal preliminary meetings, to find out the position of the Soviet Union, in particular to find out to what extent it can be used to achieve our goals, and at the same time to establish how the Soviet Union can be attracted to the implementation of our plans. For these meetings, the former prime minister, the former foreign minister and the former ambassador to the USSR, Hirota Koki, were appointed.
    The first meeting of Hirot with the Ambassador of the USSR Malik took place on June 3, and the second the next day. Both meetings were held in a friendly atmosphere. Hirota informed the ambassador that in order to strengthen friendly relations between the two countries, the Japanese government wants to conclude a long-term agreement with the Soviet Union, and asked the ambassador about his opinion on the issue raised. Soon, the meetings were stopped, as the ambassador expressed a desire to give him some time to study the proposal put forward by the Japanese government.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 12 May 2020 12: 49 New
      0
      Staying on this proposal, the fleet command believed that to achieve the goal would be difficult. Nevertheless, Togo considered it possible to draw the Soviet Union to Japan, despite the general military

      -What were Yapi willing to give for violating the Yalta agreements?
      1. teron
        teron 12 May 2020 13: 12 New
        0
        Perhaps the floor of Sakhalin or the islands to bargain. Now we don’t know.
  16. antivirus
    antivirus 12 May 2020 12: 45 New
    0
    the water of history is dark and the alien soul is dark ... almost Potemkin villages
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 May 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: antivirus
      the water of history is dark and the alien soul is dark ... almost Potemkin villages

      And yet the dark becomes light over time. You just need to be always decisive like JV Stalin and not "six" in front of the West like the boyars Mishka and Boriska.
  17. bars1
    bars1 12 May 2020 13: 00 New
    +3
    Well, actually, England and the United States fought with Germany from 1939 and 1941, respectively. Another thing is that participation was limited to bombing and fighting in secondary theaters. Which rightly did not completely suit the USSR.
  18. Nik Kulinich
    Nik Kulinich 12 May 2020 13: 04 New
    +1
    Horseradish is never sweet. But it will have to be chewed by the Japs.
  19. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 12 May 2020 13: 09 New
    +3
    Any treaty of neutrality is fiction, not worth the paper on which it is written. Japan was not held back by the Treaty, but not by the desire to receive "higher education" after receiving primary and secondary education. The Japanese understood how huge Russia was and the fact that even the forces that remained in the Far East were capable of breaking off the horns of the army that invaded the USSR or at least prolonging the war, and then the USA, the war with China.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 May 2020 13: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Japan was not held back by the Treaty, but not by the desire to receive "higher education" after receiving primary and secondary education. The Japanese understood how huge Russia was and the fact that even the forces that remained in the Far East were capable of breaking off the horns of the army that invaded the USSR or at least prolonging the war, and then the USA, the war with China.

      At first, the Japanese simply waited - how Barbarossa would end. EMNIP, they were going to enter the war if the Germans occupied Moscow in August. For the leadership of the IJA had fairly accurate data on the forces of the Red Army in the Far East in the summer of 1941 - and did not want to climb on them (it was only scumbags from the Kwantung Army who dreamed of glory).
      As soon as it became clear that there would be no blitzkrieg, the Japanese leadership was thoughtful. And here also the Allies pleased with their oil embargo (Japanese oil imports reached 80%). In general, the vector of the future war has been determined - Japan goes where there is oil. Moreover, it is not just eaten, but also mined in quantities exceeding the costs of its conquest and future consumption by Japan.
      Is there oil in the USSR in the Far East? There is, but not much, and even half of it is already mined by Japan. This means that the Northern option disappears, whatever the Kwantunts shouted there. The Southern option remains. He is the only one
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 12 May 2020 14: 26 New
        0
        Hmm ... I agree. The Kwantung lobby really wanted the Northern option. By a large margin of manjuchi, this state in the state was
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 12 May 2020 15: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Nehist
          Hmm ... I agree. The Kwantung lobby really wanted the Northern option. By a large margin of manjuchi, this state in the state was

          Yes, there were all such states in the state. The Kwantungs blew their tune, the Expeditionary Forces in China - theirs, the IJA headquarters in the metropolis - theirs. At the same time, the army actively climbed into foreign policy, which horrified the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - because all the subtle games of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the "independence" of the annexed territories, during which national authorities, local armies, etc. were created, could at any time be crossed out by order army command: local units - to disarm, local politicians - to arrest.
          And there was still a fleet, inside which there were also its own groups: for example, the commander in chief was forced to negotiate with his headquarters, which approved the operations of the commander in chief only if they included operations of the headquarters.
          And over all this Tenno hovered, whose position on this or that issue was interpreted as anyone, and its final interpretation was determined by the winners. smile
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 12 May 2020 21: 49 New
            0
            and yet for me it remained open in the whole story - why Perlharbor and not Vladik ??? at the beginning of winter, everything was so thin near Moscow and had already been removed from the Far East, they threw it from the parade into a counter-offensive. october november the most critical were stick your finger and sprinkle. a surprise was even for Hitler. Well they were pretty good at britting the British in their Asian colonies and suddenly such a desync ....
            1. reservist
              reservist 13 May 2020 12: 47 New
              +1
              so above there is an explanation ...
              Quote: Alexey RA
              In general, the vector of the future war has been determined - Japan goes where there is oil. Moreover, it is not just eaten, but also mined in quantities exceeding the costs of its conquest and future consumption by Japan.
  20. teron
    teron 12 May 2020 13: 19 New
    0
    I read somewhere (perhaps right there, in VO) that the Japanese really didn’t want their emperor to get into the dock like Hitler’s assistants. Looks like they understood what kind of Japanese art in Asia there was a likelihood of such a development. That is why there was a need for the USSR as an intermediary in order to make peace with the Anglo-Saxons on acceptable terms. And, first of all, to protect his emperor - he is a sacred figure there.
    The opinion is not mine; I myself have never been interested in any detail in those events.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 12 May 2020 13: 28 New
    0
    A camouflaged attempt to push all their defeats to Stalin and the USSR, although Japan had time to analyze the situation in WWII.
  22. Barnabas
    Barnabas 12 May 2020 13: 31 New
    0
    ...I understood! I thought for a long time about how it would be more crushing to refute the theses from this article, and then I realized that this was not an attack on the USSR and the defense of poor Japanese soldiers, it was, on the contrary, recognition of the merits of the Soviet troops, only in a special, Western form! For example:
    There is a mention of the event (the attack of Soviet troops on the Japanese army), there are words of the historian about the critical contribution of the USSR to the victory over Japan, and there is lamentation about many and many Japanese soldiers who were defeated by the "massive" ("massive" meant, probably) invasion of the Soviets ... One praise. But if you write only this, then the authors at home will not understand, so they come up with fables about the territory of Japan, "Moscow's mediation", and traditional cliches about Russian aggressors.
  23. Izotovp
    Izotovp 12 May 2020 13: 39 New
    0
    They also forget about the threat of bacteriological warfare from Japan and how many civilians were destroyed by the Light Democrats by napalm bombing.
  24. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 May 2020 14: 11 New
    +1
    And Mr. Hasegawa for some reason does not say, but what prevented Japan from capitulating - "without the expected mediation mission" of the Soviet Union.
    The author's statement here is not very reasonable. Capitulation is one thing, signing a treaty to end the war is another. For the USSR, the latter was more profitable, while it was possible to get Sakhalin for free. And so they received practically nothing, they even refused reparations. In accordance with Article 14 of the Treaty of Peace with Japan (1951): "Japan must pay reparations to the Allied Powers for the damage and suffering caused to them during the war. Japan shall immediately enter into negotiations with the Allied Powers." Reparations made under the San Francisco Peace Treaty with Japan (1951) include: $ 550 million in damages. Plus Japan gave up all foreign assets of about $ 23,681 billion. Even "don't fasten" Switzerland, Sweden and Denmark, and they tore off Japan. But in the joint communiqué of the Japanese government and the Government of the People's Republic of China (1972), the People's Republic of China abandons its demand for war reparations from Japan. In the 1956 Soviet-Japanese Joint Declaration, the Soviet Union relinquished its rights to reparations from Japan, and both Japan and the Soviet Union waived all reparation claims arising from the war.
    But the current situation with Japan is already reminiscent of the Ukrainian "we all owe it", pay us for the occupation of the Kuriles and Sakhalin. And where are the Foreign Ministry and the Russian government, which must demand this reparation, because Japan's statement is refusing the 1956 Joint Declaration. And for the occupation of Sakhalin in 1905, compensation must also be demanded.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 12 May 2020 14: 29 New
      0
      The latter was more profitable for the USSR, while it was possible to get Sakhalin for free

      It makes no difference, it is not related to the type of surrender.
      Everything is tied to the USSR entering the war against Japan.


      Crimean agreement of the three great powers on the issues of the Far East

      11 February 1945 city
      The leaders of the three great powers - the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain - agreed that two to three months after the surrender of Germany and the end of the war in Europe The Soviet Union will enter the war against Japan on the side of the Allies, subject to:

      1. Saving status quo Outer Mongolia (Mongolian People's Republic);

      2. The restoration of the rights of Russia, violated by the treacherous attack of Japan, in 1904, namely:
      a) the return to the Soviet Union of the southern part Sakhalin and all adjacent islands;
      b) the internationalization of trade port of Dairen with ensuring the predominant interests of the Soviet Union in this port and the restoration of leases for Port Arthur, as the naval base of the USSR;
      c) joint operation Sino-East Railway and South Manchurian Railway, giving access to Dairen on the basis of the organization of a mixed Soviet-Chinese society with the primary interests of the Soviet Union, it is understood that China retains full sovereignty in Manchuria.

      3. Transfers to the Soviet Union Kuril Islands.

      The agreement on Outer Mongolia and the aforementioned ports and railways is expected to require the consent of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. On the advice of Marshall I.V. Stalin's president will take measures to ensure that such consent is obtained.
      The heads of government of the three great powers agreed that these claims of the Soviet Union should be unconditionally satisfied after the victory over Japan.
      For its part, the Soviet Union expresses its readiness to conclude a pact of friendship and alliance between the USSR and China with the national Chinese government to assist it with its armed forces in order to liberate China from the Japanese yoke.

      I.STALIN
      FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT
      WINSTON CHURCHILL
  25. Shadow041
    Shadow041 12 May 2020 14: 25 New
    +1
    You might think that Japan is constantly firing at the border areas of the USSR and destroying Soviet transport ships in the quiet, kept the peace treaty ... I’m not talking about the battles in Hassan and Hal-Hin-Gol ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 May 2020 14: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Shadow041
      I do not speak for fights on Hassan

      That's about Hassan, we better all be silent.
  26. Shteffan
    Shteffan 12 May 2020 14: 34 New
    0
    [/ quote] But about whether the United States and Britain were conducting military operations against Nazi Germany before the opening of the second front in 1944, [quote]
    - ANSWER - GREAT. Author, wake up. Egypt, Italy.
  27. Hypatius
    Hypatius 12 May 2020 14: 49 New
    +3
    The article did not mention that the USSR did not violate the pact, because the USSR did not extend it. All for honor. And the territories occupied by Japan are already secondary.
  28. Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 12 May 2020 16: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    And ours (including my grandfather, and his dead brothers) fought together and with the help of allies. And do not forget this. And in my opinion, the USSR (and especially Russia alone) alone could not win.

    The American people did not fight at all. His cities did not burn, bombs did not fall on them, enemies did not burn their villages, he did not lose 28 million people. he was not declared an inferior race requiring severe thinning. Therefore, Americans simply will never understand what the Great Patriotic War is. For them, it was a war for geopolitical - trade and financial - advantages. If they had a conscience, they would sit and be silent in a rag.
  29. Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 12 May 2020 16: 41 New
    +2
    - someone fought, someone earned ... do not be confused. Glorious allies, playing in the sand in Africa, having everything God rewarded America with, killed less than 30 thousand Germans in these battles "against Rommel", and in the Balkans, Tito's barefoot partisans calmed 18 thousand German soldiers (and even a bunch of different Ustasha, Cossacks and Galychan in addition). This is according to Overmans, not Russian propaganda. But drooling about the "battles" at El Alamein and in Tunisia is enough for another two hundred years.

    And so for all the battles of the glorious allies, hell in Normandy, hell in Monte Cassino, hell in Okinawa.
  30. sleeve
    sleeve 12 May 2020 16: 48 New
    0
    We used to be a country with an unpredictable history. Now this epidemic has become global ...
  31. Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 12 May 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Shadow041
    You might think that Japan is constantly firing at the border areas of the USSR and destroying Soviet transport ships in the quiet, kept the peace treaty ... I’m not talking about the battles in Hassan and Hal-Hin-Gol ...

    In the summer of 1938, Japan invaded Soviet territory in the area of ​​Lake Khasan at the junction of the borders of the USSR, China (Manchukuo) and Korea in order to seize a strategically important area (a ridge of hills to the west of the lake, including the Bezymyannaya and Zaozernaya hills) and create an immediate threat Vladivostok and Primorye as a whole. In May 1939, also under the pretext of an "unresolved territorial dispute" between Mongolia and Manchuria, Japanese troops invaded Mongolian territory near the Khalkhin-Gol (Nomongan) River. The purpose of the Japanese attack this time was an attempt to establish military control over the region bordering Transbaikalia. This is what General Tanaka, the chairman of the cabinet of ministers in Japan, wrote in his memorandum to the emperor in 1927: “In order to conquer China, we must first conquer Manchuria and Mongolia In order to conquer the world, we must first conquer China ... "Tanaka went on to emphasize that the main capitalist states" did not object to the growth of our influence in Manchuria and Mongolia, provided that we can defend the interests of the international
    trade and international investment. This was stated to me personally by the political leaders of England, France and Italy. " laughing
  32. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 12 May 2020 19: 01 New
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    But Ms. Shannon decided not to tell the readers about whether the USA and Britain were conducting military operations against Nazi Germany before the opening of the second front in 1944.

    Everyone knows that the United States and Britain before the opening of the second front in 1944 conducted military operations against Nazi Germany.
  33. Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 12 May 2020 19: 35 New
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    Quote: Alex Justice
    But Ms. Shannon decided not to tell the readers about whether the USA and Britain were conducting military operations against Nazi Germany before the opening of the second front in 1944.

    Everyone knows that the United States and Britain before the opening of the second front in 1944 conducted military operations against Nazi Germany.

    Supplying the Nazis with raw materials laughing Nothing personal is just a business.
  34. Grafova Irina
    Grafova Irina 12 May 2020 19: 50 New
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    Funny set out
  35. ppgt90
    ppgt90 12 May 2020 20: 08 New
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    Here I read the arguments and cleverness and am amazed. Why are there so many illiterates? After all, it seems that everyone in school studied. Or according to the principle: - "We all learned a little of what, whatever, and whatever." So the dropouts turned out. People. In order to understand what you are talking about, it would be nice to better understand the topic of reasoning. And for this "wikipedia" and googol will obviously not be enough, and the facts there are often "fried". Do you want to understand something? So read the documentaries. Take your time. There will be undoubted benefits from this. And then you are doing nonsense showing off in front of each other. History long ago dotted the "i's", and the opuses of any provocateurs must be suppressed by irrefutable evidence, that is, by historical facts, confirmed by documents. You can't stoop to the level of incompetent scribblers, especially since such "stuffing" is pure order.
  36. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 13 May 2020 12: 21 New
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    But Ms. Shannon decided not to tell the readers about whether the USA and Britain were conducting military operations against Nazi Germany before the opening of the second front in 1944.


    The British fought in Africa, Norway, Greece, Crete, carried out naval blockade of Germany and Vichy France, conducted polar convoys (almost always with a battle against submarines, aircraft, and sometimes the Nazi surface fleet) - not to say that they did nothing at all.
    Is the author apparently trying to say that they haven’t done enough?

    The mentioned Hasegawa announces that Japan allegedly “counted” on the USSR in the hope that Moscow “will help end the war with its mediation between Japan and the United States.”


    In general, this is well known when the Japanese ambassador arrived in the Kremlin
    On July 13, the Japanese ambassador in Moscow, Naotake Sato, handed over to the deputy emissary of foreign affairs Solomon Lozovsky the text of the message of the Japanese emperor, explaining that former Prime Minister Fumimaro Konoe would like to arrive in Moscow as a special envoy and confidant of the monarch. Here is a translation of this document from the Russian Foreign Policy Archive:

    “His Majesty the Emperor of Japan, deeply concerned about the disasters and victims of the peoples of all the warring countries, increasing day by day as a result of the present war, expresses his will to put an end to the war soon. Since the United States and Britain insist on unconditional surrender in the East Asian War, the Empire will be forced to bring the war to an end, mobilizing all its forces and means, for the honor and existence of the Fatherland. However, as a result of this circumstance, inevitably increased bloodshed among the peoples of both warring parties. His Majesty is extremely concerned about this thought and expresses his wish that peace will be restored in the shortest possible time for the benefit of mankind. ”

    On July 18, Lozovsky answered the ambassador: “The considerations expressed in the message of the emperor of Japan have a general form and do not contain any specific proposals. It also seems unclear to the Soviet Government what the tasks of Prince Konoe’s mission are. In view of the foregoing, the Soviet Government does not see the possibility of giving any definite answer regarding the mission of Prince Konoe. ” Upon receiving this polite refusal, Sato immediately sent a telegram to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Shigenori Togo, in which he offered to immediately agree to surrender. Togo resolutely replied that Japan would resist to the last, and ordered Moscow to agree to the Konoe mission

    On August 8, at 17 p.m. Moscow time, Molotov received the Japanese ambassador, who had long asked for him. Talking about Konoe’s mission wasn’t necessary. The People's Commissar immediately interrupted the guest, saying that he had to make an important statement: from midnight on August 9, i.e. just an hour later in Tokyo time, the USSR and Japan are at war. The motivation is simple: Tokyo rejected the requirements of the Potsdam Declaration; Allies turned to the USSR with a request to enter the war, and he, "loyal to allied duty", accepted the proposal.

    The assertion that the Allies asked Moscow to enter the war follows from the minutes of the Potsdam Conference published by the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs. However, in a published transcript of a conversation between Molotov and Truman on July 29, a bill was made that was restored by historians only in 1995: “Molotov says he has proposals related to the situation in the Far East. It would be a convenient occasion for the Soviet Union to enter the war against Japan if the Allies asked him to do so.

    https://sakhalin-war.livejournal.com/50339.html