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Chinese expert: J-31 fighter in one of the parameters came close to F-35

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Chinese expert: J-31 fighter in one of the parameters came close to F-35

The Chinese media decided to compare the 5th generation fighter aircraft made in China. These are the combat aircraft J-20 and J-31. Moreover, the J-20s are already in service with the PLA Air Force, but there are still problems with the introduction of the J-31. It should be recalled that the J-31 in China is primarily positioned as a future deck aircraft aviation.


Chinese expert Hu Mikai claims that now we can name the aspect in which the J-31 is superior to the J-20 fighters. This aspect is the use of titanium alloy.

Hu Mikai:

And although the J-31 has not yet officially entered service, it is a very advanced fighter. Currently, the proportion of titanium alloy FC-31 (also known as J-31) has reached 25%. This is higher than the J-20. The American F-35 uses 27% titanium, while on the F-22 the proportion reaches 41%! The titanium alloy is both light and heat resistant. Its use allows aircraft units to withstand significant loads when flying at high speed for a long time.

It is stated that the J-31 in one of the parameters (and this is precisely the percentage of titanium alloy use) "came close to the F-35."

The author notes that China holds one of the leading places in the world in terms of titanium reserves. In the publication of the mentioned author, the estimate is as follows - 28,9% of the world's titanium reserves are concentrated in China.

The author writes that soon the J-31 can go on to test weapons.

From the statement:
The Chinese Navy is eager to acquire a fifth-generation stealth fighter. It is potentially the foundation for our future aircraft carriers.

Recall that the J-31 is going to be placed on Chinese aircraft carriers Type003 and subsequent ones with a flat deck (without a springboard).
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 11 May 2020 16: 42 New
    15
    Some strange indicator the Chinese chose for comparison (using titanium) Well, at least welding titanium in a gas environment or thin-walled casting in a gas centrifuge made of titanium, or simply a percentage of use
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 11 May 2020 16: 45 New
      +7
      Some strange indicator chosen by the Chinese for comparison

      The Chinese expert, of course, is as big as a wall of the same name. Magazines - they are also magazines in China, what to take from them?
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 11 May 2020 17: 35 New
        -14
        And our SU-35 loses even to the J-16 and J-10 created in the PRC.: Obsolete avionics, without modern sensors, more backward radar, etc.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 11 May 2020 18: 00 New
          10
          And that is why the Chinese, when releasing the "five", buy the Russian Su-4 35th generation fighter. By the way, motors are still being bought.

          By the way, about poor avionics, the lack of modern sensors, backward radar, where did you read it?
          1. V.I.P.
            V.I.P. 11 May 2020 20: 44 New
            0
            They buy engines for the J-20. They do not have their own. Therefore, they took the Su-35 with 4 spare engines (and not 2 as expected). All the extra engines go to their 5th generation ....
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 11 May 2020 21: 40 New
              +1
              I agree. heard the same thing.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 11 May 2020 16: 59 New
      +6
      It is stated that the J-31 in one of the parameters (and this is precisely the percentage of titanium alloy use) "came close to the F-35."
      and he’s close to a piece of shit in flight, one common parameter, but crucial! repeat
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 May 2020 17: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Some strange indicator was chosen by the Chinese for comparison (use

      Titanium is generally almost twice as heavy as aluminum-magnesium alloys. IMHO, the bigger it is, the heavier the plane ... And I thought they were in terms of the parameter for limiting the time of flight in supersonic ... At 35 how much is the flight afterburner? (There is no trace of supersound super sound there ...) 60 seconds? Did the Chinese also reach 60 second afterburner? wassat
      1. figwam
        figwam 11 May 2020 17: 44 New
        +3
        Fighter J-31 in one of the parameters came close to F-35

        I thought for the price ...
    4. knn54
      knn54 11 May 2020 17: 28 New
      +4
      The Yankes were "worried" - no matter how the Chinese "overtook" them ...
    5. venik
      venik 11 May 2020 18: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Some strange indicator chosen by the Chinese for comparison (use of titanium)

      ========
      Well, at least something had to be chosen! He (the "expert") probably did not find anything else ... request
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 May 2020 19: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Some strange indicator the Chinese chose for comparison (using titanium) Well, at least welding titanium in a gas environment or thin-walled casting in a gas centrifuge made of titanium, or simply a percentage of use

      Then the Chinese will outweigh the entire composite and say that their fighter is the coolest of all, including the SU-57. fellow
  2. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 May 2020 16: 42 New
    11
    In my opinion, one should be proud of an increase in the use of radio-transparent and radio-absorbing materials, rather than titanium, which reduces the "invisibility" to nothing.
    And the title of the article for some reason raised one question: By what parameter? For price or non-volatility? laughing
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 11 May 2020 17: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      In my opinion, one should be proud of increasing the share of the use of radio-transparent and radio-absorbing materials, rather than titanium ...

      This is probably about the power elements of the structure of titanium. As for the casing, there are other requirements.

      And to be proud that titanium is used more than someone else - this is nonsense. When Belenko hijacked the MiG-25 to Japan and the Americans studied it, they were amazed that the plane was mainly made of stainless steel. steel, not titanium, as intended. what much reduced its cost. The submarine 661 of the Anchar project was made of titanium. She had the nickname "Goldfish" because of its cosmic value. We didn't do it anymore.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 11 May 2020 17: 58 New
        +3
        945 The project of serial boats was built of titanium. Built 4. 1 unfinished. In the ranks of two. Two sucks.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 11 May 2020 18: 30 New
          0
          There was infa that one substandard titanium case was installed at LZOS (Lytkarinsky Optical Glass Plant) for spraying large-sized mirrors. Such a huge skyscraper turned out.
    2. DVR
      DVR 11 May 2020 18: 02 New
      +1
      One should be proud of the increased share of the use of radiolucent and radar absorbing materials

      That's right. In the 160st century, everyone is striving to increase the% use of composites, and this figure is cited as an example, including and our experts. This reduces the visibility and weight of the machine. It makes sense to use titanium only where heavy loads or temperatures, and other materials do not fit. For example, the central beam on the Tu-71 is made of titanium, or the SR-XNUMX skin.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 12 May 2020 11: 49 New
        0
        That's right. In the XXI century, everyone is trying to increase% of the use of composites, .... pralnaya ... there is a joke on this subject. Winnie the Pooh asks Piglet .... Piglet and you want jam? - Piglet .. Yes, of course .... and you want Piglet honey? .. Well, of course. .. yes I see you pig yourself do not know what you want .... so here. or composite. whether metal. let the Xiaopin experts decide what they want. otherwise it’s only bird pigs and coronoviruses that work fine
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 May 2020 16: 43 New
    +6
    "Chinese expert: Fighter J-31 by one of the parameters came close to the F-35"
    Probably in appearance.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 11 May 2020 16: 50 New
      +5
      Caught up in color smile
  4. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 11 May 2020 16: 48 New
    0
    Do they even work with titanium on an industrial scale?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 11 May 2020 17: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Do they even work with titanium on an industrial scale?

      You are not in the know! There are so many knees and malas .... repeat
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 11 May 2020 17: 02 New
        +3
        Hmm about the mallet, I forgot ..... Cant!
  5. Stalllker
    Stalllker 11 May 2020 16: 57 New
    0
    Here is a bed hand on the heart, well, with what drunken joy, F-35 plane 5 generation ???! Well at best 4 ++
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 11 May 2020 17: 07 New
      0
      In principle, the five, all the same, is another matter that the Americans divorced themselves in the sense that they stated specific parameters for matching the fifth generation, and the F-35, as it turned out, did not quite correspond to them. But this is generally garbage, the enemy is dangerous if everything works adequately on him
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 11 May 2020 18: 16 New
        +1
        On the basis of what it became 5 generations? Just barely noticeable and all ???
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 May 2020 17: 03 New
    +2
    By futility, an airplane without an engine, or with problem engines, exceeded the f35. The Chinese will not understand in any way that the era of copying someone else's is over for them, because copying a product without new technologies is two steps back!
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 May 2020 17: 15 New
    +3
    Figs understand these Chinese. Then they surpass in many parameters, then they approach in many parameters ... but the stone flower does not come out.
  8. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 11 May 2020 17: 26 New
    +1
    Fighter J-31 in one of the parameters came close to F-35


    Doubtful reason for pride.
  9. fn34440
    fn34440 11 May 2020 17: 28 New
    -1
    Today, Russia is the main supplier of TITAN for the US Air Force; today it provides up to 40% of the needs for Boeing aviation titanium, 60% of the needs of EADS (Airbus) and 100% of Embraer.
    And even unilateral US sanctions IMPLEMENTED on Russia do not interrupt this SWEET "BUSINESS". And sho on this occasion has to say the deputy. Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Comrade Medvedev?
    1. kot423
      kot423 11 May 2020 17: 54 New
      +1
      What is the meaning of your opus? The topic is about evaluating a Chinese aircraft by a Chinese expert. Or is it your credo to throw it on a fan, anyway where and on what topic, the main thing is against Russia?
  10. 123456789
    123456789 11 May 2020 18: 01 New
    0
    Fighter J-31 in one of the parameters came close to F-35

    In terms of production? Or for the price?
    1. 123456789
      123456789 11 May 2020 18: 23 New
      0
      Chairman: - Well, that’s how it seems, the harvest is not bad, there will be almost no bread, you will have to eat manure. This is bad news. Collective farmers: - s-s-s-s ... (quietly so) Chairman: - And here is good news! (Manure) We have a lot of titans!
      Anecdote
  11. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 11 May 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    Miracles of mental balancing act. Selling journalism in the PRC has always made me happy, especially with the "warp drive". Although Kiselev and Krasnov are not far behind, it seems to me.
  12. Piramidon
    Piramidon 11 May 2020 18: 11 New
    +5
    It is stated that the J-31 in one of the parameters (and this is precisely the percentage of titanium alloy use) "came close to the F-35."

    I have a handle from an old knife lying around. 100% titanium. Surpasses J-31 in this parameter laughing
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 11 May 2020 18: 17 New
    0
    Cubes, frogs croak / tweet, it is necessary and they have one.
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  15. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 May 2020 19: 01 New
    -1
    As small children, they are measured by pussy. Yes, they came closer in speed, in the impossibility of holding supersonic without afterburner, in the absence of over-maneuverability, in mistakes and shortcomings.
  16. LeonidL
    LeonidL 11 May 2020 20: 34 New
    0
    Are they closer to the quality of painting?
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 May 2020 22: 41 New
    0
    About the visibility of the Russian air defense and those and others forgot to indicate.
  18. Od. 44
    Od. 44 12 May 2020 04: 36 New
    0
    The main parameter is the level of the pilot, then the performance characteristics of the aircraft. And journalists argue this as an UAV.
    1. lisiy prapor
      lisiy prapor 12 May 2020 14: 11 New
      0
      What will Kozhedub do, for example on Po-2 against sucker sucker on Bf-109? The main goal of any designer is to make it so that the level of pilot training plays as little piano as possible.
  19. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 12 May 2020 10: 44 New
    0
    Chinese expert: J-31 fighter in one of the parameters came close to F-35
    After reading this headline, the first thing I thought about was the price of development. But I think that in this parameter the Chinese will greatly surpass the United States. Because the Chinese need to pull up a bunch of knowledge-intensive areas to the required level. Which the Americans have already developed as part of other programs.
  20. Dzungar
    Dzungar 12 May 2020 17: 42 New
    0
    After all this their previous boasting and all sorts of belittling of the qualities of Russian aircraft, the expression "Chinese expert" sounds like a joke ...
  21. sagitch
    sagitch 12 May 2020 23: 00 New
    0
    This expert has not yet seen titanium discs at the plant.