Notes of the participant in the events: six years ago Donbass went its own way


The head of the DPR Denis Pushilin addressed citizens today, congratulating them on Republic Day and recalling the referendum that took place exactly six years ago, on May 11, 2014. Then it was necessary to answer the only question: “Do you support the act of state independence of the Donetsk People’s Republic?”


Despite threats from Kiev and a relatively small number of polling stations, 75 percent of the region’s residents took part in the vote, some of which are now in territory controlled by the Ukrainian authorities.

At the vote, 90 percent of the participants voted for independence from the Kiev authorities.

Of course, somewhere the results were slightly different. For example, in the Proletarsky district of Donetsk, only 0,9 percent of voters voted against independence.

I also happened to participate in this referendum. Therefore, I am writing these “notes” as a participant in those events.

The polling station was in a dental clinic, which occupied the entire first floor of a six-entrance building. None of the elections that I found in Donetsk, so many people came to this referendum. The line for the ballots did not have enough space inside, so the tail stretched far to the street, from the middle of the high-rise building to the very corner of the house.

And the thing is not only that the plots were half the size of the usual. It’s just that people themselves believed that they should express their opinion on the future fate of Donbass. They did not want to stay in the country that Ukraine became after the Maidan.



May 8, 2014 the head of the CEC of the DPR Roman Lyagin noted:

If the leadership of the Donetsk People’s Republic decides to postpone the date of the referendum, we will have to agree with this, but the presidential (Ukrainian) elections in Donetsk will certainly not be held.


Subsequently, the leadership of the DPR decided not to postpone the referendum, because the military aggression of Ukraine against the Donbass had already begun, and the status of the republic had not yet been determined.

Roughly the same thing happened in the Lugansk People's Republic. Here, the turnout at the referendum was 81 percent. Of the total number of voters, more than 96 percent supported state sovereignty.

The next day, both young Republics declared their independence. Since then, in the DPR, the day of the referendum on May 11 began to be celebrated as Republic Day. In the Luhansk People's Republic, May 12 became a public holiday.

Naturally, in Kiev, the results of referenda in the DPR and LPR were declared illegitimate. In Russia, too, they were in no hurry to officially recognize the republics, although the presidential press service made the following statement:

Moscow respects the will of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions and proceeds from the fact that the practical implementation of the results of the referenda will proceed in a civilized way, without any recurrence of violence, through dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.

Now public entities that emerged in 2014 have to weapons in the hands to defend their right to exist, as the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin mentioned in today's speech:

The illegal power of the “Maidan” Ukraine needed a war on our land, we had to defend our choice, and we still do it.
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  1. Insurgent 11 May 2020 15: 14 New
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    On voting 90 percent participants voted for independence from the Kiev authorities.

    Of course, somewhere the results were slightly different. For example, in the Proletarsky district of Donetsk only 0,9 percent those who voted opposed independence.


    It could not be otherwise, because even then people clearly realized that only independence would guarantee the survival of the population of Donbass who did not support the Nazi coup in Kiev.

    Now the state formations that arose in 2014 have to defend their right to exist with arms in their hands, which Denis Pushilin, the head of the DPR, mentioned in today's speech:

    The illegal power of the “Maidan” Ukraine needed a war on our land, we had to defend our choice, and we still do it.


    We were forced to take up arms ...
    1. Civil 11 May 2020 15: 27 New
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      Донбасс, ни мира ни войны. Полузамороженный конфликт.
      1. svoit 11 May 2020 19: 12 New
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        Вы спутали с ПМР, тут еще стреляют и очень активно.
    2. Arpad 11 May 2020 19: 18 New
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      Quote: Insurgent
      It could not be otherwise, because even then people clearly realized that only independence would guarantee the survival of the population of Donbass who did not support the Nazi coup in Kiev.

      that is, you want to say that the rest of the Donbass, which is under the control of Kiev, is alive solely because it supports Kiev?
      Quote: Insurgent
      Now public entities that emerged in 2014

      Did someone already recognize you as a state of God?
      Quote: Insurgent
      We were forced to take up arms ...

      Shooters?
      1. Agave tequilana 11 May 2020 23: 20 New
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        I wanted to say something?
        talked nonsense. what for ?
      2. Insurgent 12 May 2020 07: 18 New
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        Quote: Arpad
        Shooters?


        Who about what, and rebranding Atalef, about his hackneyed, but beloved (for the only) "record".
        What else to expect, from the individual, with a gasp, talking about the current border regime, and hating the DPR and LPR, and at the same time the Crimea, Russia?

        One smart Jew (as an example to some) said about such (картинка).
        That’s why,Alexander,на такие повторяющиеся провокации в "каверзных" вопросах,ты и будешь получать один закономерный ответ - disregard.

    3. Odin 12 May 2020 10: 51 New
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      You can consider yourself anyone, the main thing is that after the implementation of Minsk-2 you will become part of the Don and Lug regions of Ukraine
      1. CSKA 12 May 2020 12: 27 New
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        Quote: Odyn
        You can consider yourself anyone, the main thing is that after the implementation of Minsk-2 you will become part of the Don and Lug regions of Ukraine

        )))) Do you seriously believe that it will be implemented? Wake up to prevent him from fulfilling the Kiev authorities themselves, while in the meantime everyone is getting passports of the Russian Federation.
  2. fn34440 11 May 2020 15: 43 New
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    But is it not time for a strong-willed decision to finally stop this bloody tyagomotin upon the return of Donbass to Russia.?
    The Second World War lasted 1418 days, and this show with the participation of Russia - more than 2000.
    Какой позор! УНА УНСО Россия боится,что ли ? Каждый день гибнут люди и утекают миллиарды рублей.
    What else is needed? We said that the Ukrainian people will choose a better person - he chose a jester who continues the Bandera logic. They said that the Minsk agreements, we’ll somehow wrap them up - they directly say that they will not abide by Minsk. What else is needed to say: that's enough, can there be no combination of incongruous? Maybe one thing: we are defending our sovereignty, you want to stink on us - stink, you will be worse! I assure you that as soon as we decide to the end, they will become much more loyal, crawl to Minsk and become plastic.
    1. Kronos 11 May 2020 16: 00 New
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      За ними США стоит а значит они могут еще десятки лет спокойно плевать на Россию
      1. fn34440 11 May 2020 16: 15 New
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        А за РУССКИМ КРЫМОМ в 2014г. КТО СТОЯЛ ?
        1. Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 00 New
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          Quote: fn34440
          А за РУССКИМ КРЫМОМ в 2014г. КТО СТОЯЛ ?

          As always, the Russian army and navy.
          1. Lelek 12 May 2020 00: 00 New
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            Quote: Normal ok
            As always, the Russian army and navy.

            hi
            By the way, the other day the Germans conducted a population survey in Crimea in order to clarify the attitude to the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation and received the result:
            1. Odin 12 May 2020 11: 00 New
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              Who wants to disappear in the basements of the FSB?
              1. CSKA 12 May 2020 12: 29 New
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                Quote: Odyn
                Who wants to disappear in the basements of the FSB?

                He blurted out only to blurt out.)))) What FSB clown? You still can’t compare with the fact that the people of Crimea in the absolute majority do not want to live your dill?
      2. Arpad 11 May 2020 19: 19 New
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        Quote: Kronos
        За ними США стоит а значит они могут еще десятки лет спокойно плевать на Россию

        that is, do you mean that maybe the USA is behind Ukraine, Russia can do nothing?
        1. Kronos 11 May 2020 19: 24 New
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          Не только поэтому конечно но в том числе да
          1. Arpad 11 May 2020 20: 02 New
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            Quote: Kronos
            Не только поэтому конечно но в том числе да

            that is, you claim that one of the reasons is that Russia is afraid of the United States, and why?
            1. Kronos 11 May 2020 20: 21 New
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              Потому что выгодно иметь ДНР в таком виде типа Украину в НАТО не возьмут ,Экономически в ДНР и ЛНР нет активов нужных России типа как было в Крыму с базой
              1. Odin 12 May 2020 11: 02 New
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                Here it is, the true face of the Russians. Since there are no assets, we do not need LDNR.
                1. Kronos 12 May 2020 11: 39 New
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                  I need but the capitalists do not
    2. Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 16: 14 New
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      the Ukrainian people will choose a better person - he chose a jester who continues the Bandera logic.

      It is not the Ukrainian people who choose power in Ukraine. First of all, the candidacy must be approved in Washington, and only after that it can really become president.
      In general, the Donbass conflict is a product of a great conflict between Russia and the West, primarily with the United States. Conflicts in Syria and the Donbass are the consequences of this confrontation. They are not in themselves and their course depends on many factors, which so far do not seem to allow you rightly noticed
      But is it not time for a strong-willed decision to finally stop this bloody tyagomotin upon the return of Donbass to Russia.?
      The Second World War lasted 1418 days, and this show with the participation of Russia - more than 2000.

      So, this option is not yet possible, but only for now.
      1. Fevralsk. Morev 11 May 2020 19: 16 New
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        Yeah. Slightly, that so the Washington regional committee, Soros and Obama, relieving the need for an entrance.
      2. Arpad 11 May 2020 19: 22 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Not Ukrainian people choose power in Ukraine

        Of course, people, otherwise who would even put a year ago on Zelensky?
        Who would ever believe that he would win?
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        First of all, the nomination must be approved in Washington.

        Well, yes, Washington approved Zelensky, are you the only one who believes in this?
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        In general, the Donbass conflict is a product of a large conflict between Russia and the West

        Of course
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Conflicts in Syria and the Donbass are the consequences of this confrontation.

        Ie do you agree that Russia is a party to the conflict?
        1. Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 20: 27 New
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          Of course, people, otherwise who would even put a year ago on Zelensky?
          Who would ever believe that he would win?

          Yes you give up. laughing And what other options were there? With whose money he was promoted in advance to a movie about the president? Zelensky is a professional actor who plays the role assigned to him. He is another puppet, a talking head in the dexterous and strained hands of American puppeteers.
          Well, yes, Washington approved Zelensky, are you the only one who believes in this?

          You are the only one who does not believe in it.
          Ie do you agree that Russia is a party to the conflict?

          Касаемо противостояния Россия -Запад да.Но нужно понимать,что в конфликт на Донбассе Запад и Украина в частности всеми силами пытаются втянуть Россию,которая от этого конфликта всячески самоустраняется.Поэтому как говорят в том числе на Западе война на Донбассе стихийный внутриукраинский гражданский конфликт,ловушка в которую должна была попасть Россия ввяжись она в этот конфликт,но вышло иначе.План Запада был сорван.На Донбассе гражданская война поэтому.
        2. Agave tequilana 11 May 2020 23: 21 New
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          do not smear your wet fantasies here
      3. Red Dragon 11 May 2020 23: 15 New
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        And why do you think that it is not the Ukrainian people who choose power, where is President Zelensky? You live in Ukraine? Voted against him in the 2019 election? And who then voted for, you can ask? wink
        1. Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 23: 32 New
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          And why do you think that it is not the Ukrainian people who choose power, where is President Zelensky?

          Power to the Ukrainian people is chosen in Washington. Reliable fact. After that, it remains only to observe the formality, namely, to hold elections with a predetermined result to create the appearance of democracy, the illusion of choice.
          You live in Ukraine?

          I do not live in Ukraine.
          Voted against him in the 2019 election?

          No.
          And who then voted for, you can ask? wink

          You can. For Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich. good
          1. Red Dragon 12 May 2020 05: 17 New
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            Well, good luck to you vote further for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. wink why write about things that you don’t understand anything about, you don’t even live in Ukraine, but you understand the situation better than anyone else. wink Comrade Soloviev tells you everything. Or comrade Kiselev? belay
    3. Normal ok 11 May 2020 19: 55 New
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      Quote: fn34440
      But is it not time for a strong-willed decision to finally stop this bloody tyagomotin upon the return of Donbass to Russia.?

      The problem is that neither Russia nor Ukraine needs LDNR (in its current state). But the authorities of both countries cannot officially recognize this - it threatens an instant loss of trust (to put it mildly) on the part of people. So they are trying to shove these areas under the carpet to each other. This is called the Minsk Agreement. Whoever finally takes them, he lost.
  3. Xnumx vis 11 May 2020 15: 58 New
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    Верю мы будем вместе Россия -Донбасс -Крым -Луганск ... По другому не может быть ! Мы один народ ! Время докажет мою правоту .
  4. vavilon 11 May 2020 16: 03 New
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    the question in the referendum was
    not correct, I think it would be right to raise the question
    «Признаёте ли вы гос.переворот» а так независимость от кого ?
  5. st2st 11 May 2020 16: 14 New
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    And, the idea of ​​tens of thousands of servicemen of the regular army of Russia? Why Pushilin did not reflect this important fact in his address. Ukraine sees them, only, for some reason, the exchange is from Ukrainians to Ukrainians. Shoigu, as Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, is incomparable. To hide the quick deployment divisions in the Donbass, with the entire military infrastructure, with all the headquarters, this must be managed. Plus Kuzhegetovich
    1. bayard 11 May 2020 18: 01 New
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      There are no Russian divisions. The eighth army stands at the border and its reaction time is an hour. In fact, this is the second echelon of our defense, which is completely legal, because Russia is the guarantor of the Minsk agreements.
      1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY 11 May 2020 22: 36 New
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        Four o'clock.
        1. bayard 11 May 2020 22: 38 New
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          In the south they called even 40 minutes.
          But a couple of years ago.
          1. Nemchinov Vl 12 May 2020 01: 33 New
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            Greetings Vitaliy hi Congratulations to you on May 9 and 11 !! drinks good
            1. bayard 12 May 2020 01: 43 New
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              Greetings Vladimir! hi Mutual congratulations on the past Victory Day! Well, with the day of our republic ... then we hoped that this would be one of the first swallows ... for everyone else ...
              There will be many changes this year ... I hope for the better. drinks good
              1. Nemchinov Vl 12 May 2020 01: 55 New
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                Quote: bayard
                This year there will be many changes ... I hope for the better
                God forbid !! smile
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                then they hoped that this would be one of the first swallows ... for everyone else ...
                I understand... yes
      2. st2st 12 May 2020 03: 44 New
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        Do you know the word sarcasm? Or, does the presence of a Ukrainian passport negatively affect brain activity?
        1. bayard 12 May 2020 03: 58 New
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          I didn’t put a minus for you, but said that there is. Russia does not make sense to keep something here - everything is within walking distance. So the 8th army is behind us.
          But I noticed your sarcasm, and besides, I went through a similar exchange in December 2014. And on that exchange the Ukrainian passport was not returned to me, like the Soviet one. So now I am a citizen of two states - the DPR and Russia.
          You read the comments very carefully.
          1. st2st 13 May 2020 16: 14 New
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            В свой ник , имя своё впишите , пожалуйста , а , то , неудобно обращаться к Вам , то ли как к крепости для шоу-развлечений , то ли , как к марке пистолета . Это ,- без всякого сарказма . Ну , а на минусы мне Ваши ,- абсолютно фиолетово . Я свои комменты размещаю в ВО , не для плюсования и зарабатывания рейтинга , а , для общения ( может , не всегда корректного , но искреннего )
            1. bayard 13 May 2020 16: 17 New
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              My nickname matters the name, not the fort or the gun. The name of one historical character.
              1. st2st 13 May 2020 16: 34 New
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                Ценю Вашу приверженность к историческим персонажам , но , всё-таки , желательно Ваше имя , которое Вам родители дали по рождению . Хоть , Атиллой себя назовите , но , согласитесь , полемику лучше вести , зная имя оппонента
    2. Normal ok 11 May 2020 19: 58 New
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      Krajina sees them, only, for some reason, the exchange goes Ukrainians to Ukrainians

      Duc last year, two Russian commandos were handed over in exchange for someone.
  6. Cowbra 11 May 2020 16: 26 New
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    Hmmm ... But I can tell you for the neighbors of the city of Donetsk at the same time ... Well, even about the fact that they were in the Donetsk region and the mobile camps where they drove the reservists - and in all seriousness, with a blue eye, for example, a man on he said in a camera in retreats: "No, we understand that it is necessary to defend the Homeland from Russian aggression. Yes, only for a month we have been sitting in tents, for which it is not clear." And judging by the saying, that person was local, obviously not a Hutsul. But even in Volnovakha and Mariupol there were many who opposed the separation. Even more so, when different Farion yelled. "there are no people in Mariupol - there are only quilted jackets" - and then gunpowders came across
    1. Kronos 11 May 2020 17: 03 New
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      И не зря против были против по итогу
      1. Cowbra 11 May 2020 17: 24 New
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        Quote: Kronos
        И не зря против были против по итогу

        Kaneyshna! Of course, with the Nazis in possession, it’s better not to give a damn that the militants of the Azov battalion at one time blew up the only line of the railway leading to Mariupol. It doesn’t give a damn that the Nazis threw antipersonnel in the port, by the way, the city-forming enterprise - what is it? Well, they drank the "savory cava" on the Champs Elysees - it happens ... I do not give a damn about the shootings of scheduled buses traveling to the city from another city-forming enterprise - the Mariupol Metallurgical Plant (by the way, you can strangle yourself out of anger - it is still named after Ilyich). The rest houses occupied by the Carpathian cattle and the tool shop depressed from the MMZ - it had nothing to do with it, just as Azovsudoremont suddenly collapsed during the dill - who needs work. before us is ceevrop!
        You look in Marika, how dill go to this day - no less than three - thanks, you see, they are afraid - you can’t carry away laughing
        1. Kronos 11 May 2020 17: 27 New
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          Я и не писал что там все здорово но войны там все таки нет и блокады
          1. Cowbra 11 May 2020 17: 31 New
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            But there is a concentration camp at the airport. and so everything is fine! There is no work, no money, fascists, painting on the houses the emblems of the Dirlewanger brigade with unequivocal threats to the inhabitants of Marik - there are, wars, his mother - no! You and your curators will drive you there, so that sometimes you listen to how the mortar works under the house!
            1. Kronos 11 May 2020 17: 54 New
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              Работы нет, денег нет, и в ДНР тоже а к стати коммунист изначально против войн был и сейчас
              1. Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 03 New
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                Well, at least - there are no concentration camps in Novorossia. Neither those that suited the Tornado, nor those that still hold the Azov regiment now turn out to be both those and others - "heaps of law and order!" Some cops were considered, the second ones seemed to be the same, well, yes, a geheimheim political officer, everything is exactly according to the precepts of the grandfathers whom they forgot to hang
                1. Kronos 11 May 2020 18: 04 New
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                  Have you seen the last tube clip about cellars in the DPR?
                  1. Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 09 New
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                    And what about the basements? Unnamed mass graves with a bunch of corpses, like under an airport in Mariupol? AND? The testimonies of numerous witnesses, moreover, in a Ukrainian court about torture or rape in the dungeons of oh-wei, the same AFU Tornado battalion? AND? Come on, burn with a verb!
                    1. Kronos 11 May 2020 18: 10 New
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                      Watch a video talk to understand the subject of conversation
                      1. Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 17 New
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                        Yes, I already know, and I have known for a long time. And to you for such "rear Cossacks" to say. so that you understand about whom there?
                      2. Kronos 11 May 2020 18: 18 New
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                        Говорите я не против
                      3. Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 26 New
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                        Among the militias, especially at first, there were different people, and even for example looters. How they were caught and how they were treated - a separate song, and IMHO - quite understandable, about such things at all - "according to the law of wartime" (c) Now we compare it with Tornadoes and "Navoz", which were pressed for example by owners of gas stations or raymags. This is banditry, and coupled with a whole group of related articles of the Criminal Code. By the way, the basement was covered, but the concentration camp - no. Tell us again that it’s better to live under the fascists
            2. Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 11 New
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              Quote: Cowbra
              Well, at least - there are no concentration camps in Novorossia. Neither those that suited the Tornado, nor those that still keep now turned out to be the Azov Regiment

              But each battalion had its own basement. Such know-how is a mini-concentration camp.
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          Quote: Cowbra
          But there is a concentration camp at the airport. and so everything is fine! There is no work, no money, fascists, painting on the houses the emblems of the Dirlewanger brigade with unequivocal threats to the inhabitants of Marik - there are, wars, his mother - no! You and your curators will drive you there, so that sometimes you listen to how the mortar works under the house!

          Я одессит и довольно таки грамотный человек (надеюсь, что два высших образования мне дают на это право). Так вот, после 2 мая, как бывший офицер Советской Армии, серьёзно думал уехать к вам. Только вот два образования оказались проблемой)) Голова (будь она не ладна) решила, что сначала нужно "пробить", - что собственно, кто собственно и как собственно там делается. Благо знакомых - море. И, то что узнал оказалось очень не приглядным, - разборки олигархов и полный беспредел, под красивые лозунги. За такое воевать могут либо обманутые люди (коих большинство), либо "солдаты удачи". В итоге, голова оказалась правой (спасибо ей). ЛДНР , - это до сих пор серая территория, где серьёзные люди делают деньги и ещё более серьёзные - политику. А людей там никто и никогда в расчёт не брал. Так, что бейтесь головой об клаву, НО реальность именно такова. Только слепой не заметит. Хотя, всегда есть надежда на чудо((
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            And, what I found out turned out to be very unattractive - dismantling of the oligarchs and complete lawlessness, under beautiful slogans. Either deceived people (of whom the majority) or “soldiers of fortune” can fight for this. As a result, the head turned out to be right (thanks to her).

            Yes, you know, not only. I'm not from the "gray geese", for example, or such Pavel Dremov - who is he like that?
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              And, what I found out turned out to be very unattractive - dismantling of the oligarchs and complete lawlessness, under beautiful slogans. Either deceived people (of whom the majority) or “soldiers of fortune” can fight for this. As a result, the head turned out to be right (thanks to her).

              Yes, you know, not only. I'm not from the "gray geese", for example, or such Pavel Dremov - who is he like that?

              I do not put you a minus. Although in the last hour someone put down cons to all comments that are not relevant)) You, an ordinary person who, in the wake of the Russian spring, hoped for a fairy tale. And now he doesn’t have the courage to admit that, like in the 90’s, you’ve been banned.
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                that, as in the 90s, you were banned.

                Not to the "grandmother", and even, as I suspect that you know, you heard what the militia’s salary was, to the "grandmother" - well, the idea, yes. So you know, they’ve bred, not bred, but we did something, I’m not ashamed of what I was, I was busy with business. not in the sense that I didn’t mess around, but to the voice “no one but us” from the uninvited - I will say. Why I was there - everything is simple, relatives. And damn it, there are no options for what they did not have, but I arrived late, so I also had questions for dill. Mortals are like that.
          2. ROMAN VYSOTSKY 11 May 2020 22: 46 New
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            The territory may be gray, but people are normal. Both Russians and Ukrainians and Jews. And Bandera people do not march with torches, do not burn and do not hit anyone neither for the Russian language, nor for Ukrainian. They live, maybe poorly so far, but happily. The vast majority are very pretty, not in Ukraine.
            And Ukrainian propaganda is enough there, but people understand where truth and freedom are, and not fiction. That's where the reality is.
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              The territory may be gray, but people are normal

              Люди всегда нормальные/обычные, об этом речи нет. вот только манипулируют ими сволочи. а люди ведутся на всякие обещания. Что там, что здесь. А вот стравливать людей как собак, - это классика капитализма. Лишь бы лишних вопросов своей власти не задавали. Пусть дерутся себе, пока мы бабло делаем на этом...
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              they don’t burn and beat anyone neither for the Russian language, nor for Ukrainian

              Well, they don’t beat for Russian and Ukraine, but the law on the only language in LDNR has been passed.
              Strange and how do you differ?
              1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 12: 15 New
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                Украинский язык потерял статус государственного. Это так. Но на нём по факту в деловом общении никто и никогда в ДНР и не говорил. Но в отличии от Украины, из бытового общения его никто не исключает. И в школах его ещё кое где преподают, в сёлах на суржике говорят. И за использование его никто ни кого не осуждают. Даже в самые тяжёлые времена в 14 и 15 гг., я свободно пел украинские песни в общественных местах и в компании военнослужащих, подавляющее число из которых имело огромные счёты к украинизаторам, и ни кто мне ни в морду не дал, ни колени не прострелил.
                And in the Western Movement no one ever in the Donbass did not razmovil. And in Odessa, I think, too.
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                  But unlike Ukraine, nobody excludes him from everyday communication

                  Tales do not tell how many times I was in Ukraine, I spoke only in Russian
                  1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 19: 01 New
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                    I do not claim that they do not speak Russian, especially in Novorossia and Kiev, in everyday life. Read the comments more carefully.
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      They described everything healthy, not a city, but a ruin. The main thing is not how it is in reality, but who describes it.
      But this is far from reality ...
      Peaceful calm city.
      Mariupol residents do not feel like going to the DPR; the times are gone when they wanted it, the situation has changed a long time ago.
      And the railway there is in place.
      И Метинвестовкие заводы там работают и зарплаты более чем приличные.
      И средние 10-15 тыс рублей в республиках в лучшем случае- это фактически зарплата низкооплачиваемой уборщицы в Мариуполе.
      There is no need to engage in self-deception - the idea of ​​the republics that looked great at the beginning - was seriously shaken from reality and, frankly, beggarly salaries.
      And the number of people who want to join in has fallen sharply, which is clearly seen on the example of Mariupol.
      hi
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        1. Avior 11 May 2020 18: 57 New
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          Я прекрасно понял, что вы из Мариуполя.
          And if you wrote that all this is not so, I would take note of it.
          Only the 21st century is in the yard, and from the other end of the planet is not a problem to contact.
          Один из моих знакомых институтских советских ещё лет, работает на Азовстали, разбросало и по Союзу, а потом и по миру, иногда мы с ним общаемся.
          Вот для меня он наглядная иллюстрация- сначала он очень активно топил за ДНР, хотя сам ни в чем не участвовал, и про беспредел азова писал, только время поменялось, сейчас он ругает украинские власти, поругивает начальство и Ахметова, но о присодинении к ДНР от него уже не прочитаешь.
          И по его словам, это типично стало, приспособились к жизни и большинство это устраивает. Ни про какую разруху сейчас в городе, как в вашем посте, он и близко не пишет.
          Я понимаю, что он не пуп земли, что он видит жизнь по одному, а вы по другому, это вопрос взгляда конкретного человека , все равно это чисто субъективно, так что спорить впустую не буду.
          hi
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            You’ll laugh like that - I’m a Muscovite, just Marik and his environs - I’m forty years old and not alien, I know worse Moscow than for example Mitkovo-Kochkari, Yalta (which is near Mariupol winked ) that Volnovakhu)))
            Well, about the devastation in Marika, here is how to look and what to compare. That the people have not yet died all - that is. not to kill a real crest with a shovel. But all these are the things that I listed - I didn’t lie there with a single letter - not once! And many more that did not add ... How to describe all this? Yes, hell knows, I can only say that, for example, when I was president, Pososenko was completely afraid to meet with the voters, the second time, apparently he drank more, for courage - and he got a natural obstruction in Marika at the MMZ. Well, that’s all to Ukrainian attitude
            1. Avior 11 May 2020 19: 39 New
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              Poroshenko was met not only in Mariupol.
              This is not an indicator.
              Scolding any authority is an old Ukrainian tradition, just national fun. They scolded Kuchma,
              Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Poroshenko, Zelensky-all.

              Из того что я знаю, нет там сейчас таких уж ужасов, как вы написали , это когда то было, мариупольские вполне себе приспособились, возмущения от него были на низкие зарплаты, высокая квартплата, они сошли постепенно, по московским меркам зарплата может и не очень, но по провинциальным - более чем приличная на ахметовских заводах как минимум, там, насколько понимаю, большая часть жизни вокруг них вертится.
      2. ROMAN VYSOTSKY 11 May 2020 22: 54 New
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        About the salary of a low-paid cleaning lady in Mariupol, it’s you, brother, you lied without thinking.
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          Not "thought" you wrote it.
          It is so easily verified that I am surprised that you didn’t even do basic things before making rude remarks.
          Минимальная зарплата на Украине- 4723 грн, меньше даже уборщица получать не может.
          https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/min/
          which at today's exchange rate of 2,74 is 12 rubles.
          In general, it is clear that their moods have changed.
          1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 12: 22 New
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            The minimum wage is like the average temperature in a hospital. What can and should it be spent on? What can people afford and how do they live?
            I could write that in LDNR the minimum pensions are higher and the average salary. But this is only statistics.
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              The minimum is not average, but the salary value, below which it cannot be
              Here below 13 thousand can not be in principle
              I wrote about this
              А средняя зарплата по той части Донецкой области, под Украиной, 12220 грн, что то около 33 тыс рублей
              There already scatter is possible, but in any case not less than 13 thousand
              hi
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                Go to Mariupol job search sites. There are job offers for vacancies for cleaners and security guards from 2000 gr., I.e. below the minimum. In Russia, despite the fact that the minimum wage is 12130 rubles, there are vacancies, especially in agricultural from 5000 rubles. The bourgeoisie is everywhere greedy and spat on laws.
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                  2 thousand is a one-time job or part-time job like going to the end of the job and wiping the floors in the store for half an hour
                  Official full-time employment, in principle, cannot be lower than the official minimum wage
  • Lord of the Sith 11 May 2020 17: 39 New
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    We are gone from Sumeria and thank God.
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      We are gone from Sumeria and thank God.

      Gone nowhere. That is the problem. Even in Sumeria, better than anywhere else.
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        This is the third Reich at the minimum, which Ukraine is writhing out of itself, after the coup in 2014 it went nowhere. And at the moment we have already built states.
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          Shaw sho you built? Rollback, wringing and cutting Russian help you have built. Yes, the Russian authorities do not know where to put you. so as not to interfere.
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          And at the moment we have already built states.

          Well, firstly - to begin with, Russia recognized you as a state?
          If not, can anyone else?
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            If not banned at least on Wikipedia, read.
            But what if they were not recognized, then there cannot be a state? Even the Soviet Union, for example, was far from recognized immediately after many years. And some republics in the composition were not recognized until the collapse.
            Did it interfere? Not at all)
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  • Государство РК(,,Россия Капиталистическая,,), что уже 30 лет ,,рулит,, в прекрасной, доброй, замечательной стране России ничего из себя не представляет. Это государство -фейк, государство-муляж, квазигосударство. Оно проводит странные фейверки, на которые с улицы ,,смотреть нельзя,, , вывешивает огромные плакаты, сделанные неучами, где вместо советских ветеранов можно увидеть немецких и финских солдат, проводит другие непонятные ,,шумные,, и бестолковые мероприятия. Сплошной ,,барабанный бой,, , словесная трескотня... Этому учатся и молодые республики Донбасса. Тоже - ,,шум, гам, тарарам,,. А что скрывается за ,,мишурой,,? Нищета населения, ,,посеревшие,, Донецк и Луганск, никакая промышленность, подорванное глупой налоговой политикой сельское хозяйство. Слабая армия (,,народная милиция,,), где нет замполитов (какие замполиты при капитализме?), но нет и войсковых священников. На чем держится НМ? Только на советской традиции. Кое-как...Еще , к счастью, не ,,доели,, традиции Советской Армии. Служить идет молодежь на 1 год (получить военный билет)и ,,старики,, , которым поздновато что-либо менять в своей жизни. .. Пытаются уходить ,,накушавшись,, дилетантских ,,армейских,, странностей, но возвращаются. Почему? На ,,гражданке,, заработок в 15 000 еще попробуй найди. И работы нет и заработков.
    Пьянство, наркомания,проституция, повсеместное сквернословие, сбивающиеся в ,,стаи,, подростки. Точно, как и в РК - отсутствие главного - СМЫСЛА. Смысла существования ,,молодых республик,, , решивших стать самостоятельными 6(!)лет назад.
    And Ukraine is losing from the war. What good is a fratricidal war? Why is the proletariat from Zaporozhye better or worse than the proletariat from Donetsk? They also go to the Ukrainian army for the sake of earning. The lives of ordinary citizens there have definitely worsened over the years of the war.
    Where is the way out for LDNR? At the operational level - immediate entry into the Russian Federation. Two well-known areas (not ,, trimmed ,, areas).
    ... To Russia and personally to Putin V.V. still firmly believe in the territory of New Russia
  • Petrol cutter 11 May 2020 21: 08 New
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    Yes, in the wake of a general upswing, Donbass went against Ukraine.
    Then we all (Crimea and Southeast) suddenly believed in Miracle.
    It will happen that we all join together in the Russian Federation. And we will be happy. Not for some material benefits, but for an idea.
    It ended with what ended. Hopefully no need to paint.
    Honestly, the stories in the media for Odessa are especially enraging.
    Odessa, and Kharkov the same, were waiting for the intervention and support of the Russian Federation
    Which did not follow.
    I do not want to use the word surrender. But it really begs the truth.
    This is how I speak as a participant in certain events.
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    And they did it right.
    Теперь в республиках людям жить лучше, чем в Украине
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      Сарказм ? Если да то тонко
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      And what is better to live in the republics? winked
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        And what is better to live in the republics? winked

        How what? You can hang yourself, you can drown yourself - however, the choice.
  • SU3555 12 May 2020 10: 25 New
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    Poklonskaya gave an interview to Gordon “an interesting video” says “I really want to return to Ukraine” What is your opinion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj7zEHRX0I8&feature=emb_logo
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    In the Donbass, civil war is therefore.
    So "LDNR" do not fight for power in Kiev. They fight for accession to the Russian Federation. Where is the "civil war" here?
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      Because the citizens who were in the same state are at war
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