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Notes of the participant in the events: six years ago Donbass went its own way

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The head of the DPR Denis Pushilin addressed citizens today, congratulating them on Republic Day and recalling the referendum that took place exactly six years ago, on May 11, 2014. Then it was necessary to answer the only question: “Do you support the act of state independence of the Donetsk People’s Republic?”


Despite threats from Kiev and a relatively small number of polling stations, 75 percent of the region’s residents took part in the vote, some of which are now in territory controlled by the Ukrainian authorities.

At the vote, 90 percent of the participants voted for independence from the Kiev authorities.

Of course, somewhere the results were slightly different. For example, in the Proletarsky district of Donetsk, only 0,9 percent of voters voted against independence.

I also happened to participate in this referendum. Therefore, I am writing these “notes” as a participant in those events.

The polling station was in a dental clinic, which occupied the entire first floor of a six-entrance building. None of the elections that I found in Donetsk, so many people came to this referendum. The line for the ballots did not have enough space inside, so the tail stretched far to the street, from the middle of the high-rise building to the very corner of the house.

And the thing is not only that the plots were half the size of the usual. It’s just that people themselves believed that they should express their opinion on the future fate of Donbass. They did not want to stay in the country that Ukraine became after the Maidan.



May 8, 2014 the head of the CEC of the DPR Roman Lyagin noted:

If the leadership of the Donetsk People’s Republic decides to postpone the date of the referendum, we will have to agree with this, but the presidential (Ukrainian) elections in Donetsk will certainly not be held.


Subsequently, the leadership of the DPR decided not to postpone the referendum, because the military aggression of Ukraine against the Donbass had already begun, and the status of the republic had not yet been determined.

Roughly the same thing happened in the Lugansk People's Republic. Here, the turnout at the referendum was 81 percent. Of the total number of voters, more than 96 percent supported state sovereignty.

The next day, both young Republics declared their independence. Since then, in the DPR, the day of the referendum on May 11 began to be celebrated as Republic Day. In the Luhansk People's Republic, May 12 became a public holiday.

Naturally, in Kiev, the results of referenda in the DPR and LPR were declared illegitimate. In Russia, too, they were in no hurry to officially recognize the republics, although the presidential press service made the following statement:

Moscow respects the will of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions and proceeds from the fact that the practical implementation of the results of the referenda will proceed in a civilized way, without any recurrence of violence, through dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.

Now public entities that emerged in 2014 have to weapons in the hands to defend their right to exist, as the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin mentioned in today's speech:

The illegal power of the “Maidan” Ukraine needed a war on our land, we had to defend our choice, and we still do it.
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 11 May 2020 15: 14 New
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    On voting 90 percent participants voted for independence from the Kiev authorities.

    Of course, somewhere the results were slightly different. For example, in the Proletarsky district of Donetsk only 0,9 percent those who voted opposed independence.


    It could not be otherwise, because even then people clearly realized that only independence would guarantee the survival of the population of Donbass who did not support the Nazi coup in Kiev.

    Now the state formations that arose in 2014 have to defend their right to exist with arms in their hands, which Denis Pushilin, the head of the DPR, mentioned in today's speech:

    The illegal power of the “Maidan” Ukraine needed a war on our land, we had to defend our choice, and we still do it.


    We were forced to take up arms ...
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 May 2020 15: 27 New
      +6
      Donbass, no peace, no war. Half frozen conflict.
      1. svoit
        svoit 11 May 2020 19: 12 New
        +4
        You confused with the PMR, they still shoot and are very active.
    2. Arpad
      Arpad 11 May 2020 19: 18 New
      -2
      Quote: Insurgent
      It could not be otherwise, because even then people clearly realized that only independence would guarantee the survival of the population of Donbass who did not support the Nazi coup in Kiev.

      that is, you want to say that the rest of the Donbass, which is under the control of Kiev, is alive solely because it supports Kiev?
      Quote: Insurgent
      Now public entities that emerged in 2014

      Did someone already recognize you as a state of God?
      Quote: Insurgent
      We were forced to take up arms ...

      Shooters?
      1. Agave tequilana
        Agave tequilana 11 May 2020 23: 20 New
        +5
        I wanted to say something?
        talked nonsense. what for ?
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 12 May 2020 07: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Arpad
        Shooters?


        Who about what, and rebranding Atalef, about his hackneyed, but beloved (for the only) "plate".
        What else to expect, from the individual, with a gasp, talking about the current border regime, and hating the DPR and LPR, and at the same time the Crimea, Russia?

        One smart Jew (as an example to some) said about such (картинка).
        That’s why,Alexander, to such repeated provocations in "tricky" questions, you will receive one logical answer - disregard.

    3. Odin
      Odin 12 May 2020 10: 51 New
      -3
      You can consider yourself anyone, the main thing is that after the implementation of Minsk-2 you will become part of the Don and Lug regions of Ukraine
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 12 May 2020 12: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Odyn
        You can consider yourself anyone, the main thing is that after the implementation of Minsk-2 you will become part of the Don and Lug regions of Ukraine

        )))) Do you seriously believe that it will be implemented? Wake up to prevent him from fulfilling the Kiev authorities themselves, while in the meantime everyone is getting passports of the Russian Federation.
  2. fn34440
    fn34440 11 May 2020 15: 43 New
    +9
    But is it not time for a strong-willed decision to finally stop this bloody tyagomotin upon the return of Donbass to Russia.?
    The Second World War lasted 1418 days, and this show with the participation of Russia - more than 2000.
    What a disgrace! UNA UNSO Russia is afraid, or what? Every day, people die and billions of rubles flow away.
    What else is needed? We said that the Ukrainian people will choose a better person - he chose a jester who continues the Bandera logic. They said that the Minsk agreements, we’ll somehow wrap them up - they directly say that they will not abide by Minsk. What else is needed to say: that's enough, can there be no combination of incongruous? Maybe one thing: we are defending our sovereignty, you want to stink on us - stink, you will be worse! I assure you that as soon as we decide to the end, they will become much more loyal, crawl to Minsk and become plastic.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2020 16: 00 New
      +1
      The United States stands behind them, which means that they can calmly spit on Russia for decades.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 11 May 2020 16: 15 New
        +8
        And beyond the RUSSIAN CRIMEA in 2014. Who stood?
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: fn34440
          And beyond the RUSSIAN CRIMEA in 2014. Who stood?

          As always, the Russian army and navy.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 12 May 2020 00: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Normal ok
            As always, the Russian army and navy.

            hi
            By the way, the other day the Germans conducted a population survey in Crimea in order to clarify the attitude to the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation and received the result:
            1. Odin
              Odin 12 May 2020 11: 00 New
              -3
              Who wants to disappear in the basements of the FSB?
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 12 May 2020 12: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Odyn
                Who wants to disappear in the basements of the FSB?

                He blurted out only to blurt out.)))) What FSB clown? You still can’t compare with the fact that the people of Crimea in the absolute majority do not want to live your dill?
      2. Arpad
        Arpad 11 May 2020 19: 19 New
        -3
        Quote: Kronos
        The United States stands behind them, which means that they can calmly spit on Russia for decades.

        that is, do you mean that maybe the USA is behind Ukraine, Russia can do nothing?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 May 2020 19: 24 New
          +1
          Not only therefore, of course, but including yes
          1. Arpad
            Arpad 11 May 2020 20: 02 New
            -5
            Quote: Kronos
            Not only therefore, of course, but including yes

            that is, you claim that one of the reasons is that Russia is afraid of the United States, and why?
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 11 May 2020 20: 21 New
              +1
              Because it is advantageous to have the DPR in this form such as Ukraine will not be taken into NATO, Economically in the DPR and LPR there are no assets needed by Russia, such as it was in Crimea with a base
              1. Odin
                Odin 12 May 2020 11: 02 New
                -1
                This is the true face of the Russians. Since there are no assets, we don’t need LDNR.
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 12 May 2020 11: 39 New
                  0
                  I need but the capitalists do not
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 16: 14 New
      -3
      the Ukrainian people will choose a better person - he chose a jester who continues the Bandera logic.

      It is not the Ukrainian people who choose power in Ukraine. First of all, the candidacy must be approved in Washington, and only after that it can really become president.
      In general, the Donbass conflict is a product of a great conflict between Russia and the West, primarily with the United States. Conflicts in Syria and the Donbass are the consequences of this confrontation. They are not in themselves and their course depends on many factors, which so far do not seem to allow you rightly noticed
      But is it not time for a strong-willed decision to finally stop this bloody tyagomotin upon the return of Donbass to Russia.?
      The Second World War lasted 1418 days, and this show with the participation of Russia - more than 2000.

      So, this option is not yet possible, but only for now.
      1. Fevralsk. Morev
        Fevralsk. Morev 11 May 2020 19: 16 New
        -1
        Yeah. Slightly, that so the Washington regional committee, Soros and Obama, relieving the need for an entrance.
      2. Arpad
        Arpad 11 May 2020 19: 22 New
        -3
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Not Ukrainian people choose power in Ukraine

        Of course, people, otherwise who would even put a year ago on Zelensky?
        Who would ever believe that he would win?
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        First of all, the nomination must be approved in Washington.

        Well, yes, Washington approved Zelensky, are you the only one who believes in this?
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        In general, the Donbass conflict is a product of a large conflict between Russia and the West

        Of course
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Conflicts in Syria and the Donbass are the consequences of this confrontation.

        Ie do you agree that Russia is a party to the conflict?
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 20: 27 New
          0
          Of course, people, otherwise who would even put a year ago on Zelensky?
          Who would ever believe that he would win?

          Yes you give up. laughing And what other options were there? With whose money he was promoted in advance to a movie about the president? Zelensky is a professional actor who plays the role assigned to him. He is another puppet, a talking head in the dexterous and strained hands of American puppeteers.
          Well, yes, Washington approved Zelensky, are you the only one who believes in this?

          You are the only one who does not believe in it.
          Ie do you agree that Russia is a party to the conflict?

          Regarding the Russia-West confrontation, yes, but you need to understand that the West and Ukraine, in particular, are trying to draw Russia into the conflict in the Donbass, which is trying to eliminate itself from this conflict in every way. the trap that Russia was supposed to fall into, it got involved in this conflict, but it turned out differently. The plan of the West was foiled. In Donbass, therefore, a civil war.
        2. Agave tequilana
          Agave tequilana 11 May 2020 23: 21 New
          0
          do not smear your wet fantasies here
      3. Red Dragon
        Red Dragon 11 May 2020 23: 15 New
        0
        And why do you think that it is not the Ukrainian people who choose power, where is President Zelensky? You live in Ukraine? Voted against him in the 2019 election? And who then voted for, you can ask? wink
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 23: 32 New
          +1
          And why do you think that it is not the Ukrainian people who choose power, where is President Zelensky?

          Power to the Ukrainian people is chosen in Washington. Reliable fact. After that, it remains only to observe the formality, namely, to hold elections with a predetermined result to create the appearance of democracy, the illusion of choice.
          You live in Ukraine?

          I do not live in Ukraine.
          Voted against him in the 2019 election?

          No.
          And who then voted for, you can ask? wink

          You can. For Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich. good
          1. Red Dragon
            Red Dragon 12 May 2020 05: 17 New
            0
            Well, good luck to you vote further for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. wink why write about things that you don’t understand anything about, you don’t even live in Ukraine, but you understand the situation better than anyone else. wink Comrade Soloviev tells you everything. Or comrade Kiselev? belay
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 11 May 2020 19: 55 New
      -3
      Quote: fn34440
      But is it not time for a strong-willed decision to finally stop this bloody tyagomotin upon the return of Donbass to Russia.?

      The problem is that neither Russia nor Ukraine needs LDNR (in its current state). But the authorities of both countries cannot officially recognize this - it threatens an instant loss of trust (to put it mildly) on the part of people. So they are trying to shove these areas under the carpet to each other. This is called the Minsk Agreement. Whoever finally takes them, he lost.
  3. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 11 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +3
    I believe we will be together Russia -Donbass -Krym -Lugansk ... It cannot be otherwise! We are one people! Time will prove me right.
  4. vavilon
    vavilon 11 May 2020 16: 03 New
    -2
    the question in the referendum was
    not correct, I think it would be right to raise the question
    "Do you recognize the coup d'etat" and so independence from whom?
  5. st2st
    st2st 11 May 2020 16: 14 New
    -2
    And, the idea of ​​tens of thousands of servicemen of the regular army of Russia? Why Pushilin did not reflect this important fact in his address. Ukraine sees them, only, for some reason, the exchange is from Ukrainians to Ukrainians. Shoigu, as Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, is incomparable. To hide the quick deployment divisions in the Donbass, with the entire military infrastructure, with all the headquarters, this must be managed. Plus Kuzhegetovich
    1. bayard
      bayard 11 May 2020 18: 01 New
      +1
      There are no Russian divisions. The eighth army stands at the border and its reaction time is an hour. In fact, this is the second echelon of our defense, which is completely legal, because Russia is the guarantor of the Minsk agreements.
      1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
        ROMAN VYSOTSKY 11 May 2020 22: 36 New
        +1
        Four o'clock.
        1. bayard
          bayard 11 May 2020 22: 38 New
          +2
          In the south they called even 40 minutes.
          But a couple of years ago.
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 12 May 2020 01: 33 New
            +2
            Greetings Vitaliy hi Congratulations to you on May 9 and 11 !! drinks good
            1. bayard
              bayard 12 May 2020 01: 43 New
              +2
              Greetings Vladimir! hi Mutual congratulations on the past Victory Day! Well, with the day of our republic ... then we hoped that this would be one of the first swallows ... for everyone else ...
              There will be many changes this year ... I hope for the better. drinks good
              1. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 12 May 2020 01: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: bayard
                This year there will be many changes ... I hope for the better
                God forbid !! smile
                Quote: bayard
                then they hoped that this would be one of the first swallows ... for everyone else ...
                I understand... yes
      2. st2st
        st2st 12 May 2020 03: 44 New
        +1
        Does the word "sarcasm" sound familiar to you? Or does having a Ukrainian passport affect brain activity negatively?
        1. bayard
          bayard 12 May 2020 03: 58 New
          0
          I didn’t put a minus for you, but said that there is. Russia does not make sense to keep something here - everything is within walking distance. So the 8th army is behind us.
          But I noticed your sarcasm, and besides, I went through a similar exchange in December 2014. And on that exchange the Ukrainian passport was not returned to me, like the Soviet one. So now I am a citizen of two states - the DPR and Russia.
          You read the comments very carefully.
          1. st2st
            st2st 13 May 2020 16: 14 New
            0
            In your nickname, your name, please, and, then, it is inconvenient to contact you, either as a fortress for show entertainment, or as a brand of a gun. This is without any sarcasm. Well, your minuses are absolutely violet. I post my comments in the VO, not for adding and rating, but for communication (maybe not always correct, but sincere)
            1. bayard
              bayard 13 May 2020 16: 17 New
              0
              My nickname matters the name, not the fort or the gun. The name of one historical character.
              1. st2st
                st2st 13 May 2020 16: 34 New
                0
                I appreciate your commitment to historical characters, but, nevertheless, your name, which your parents gave you by birth, is desirable. Although you call yourself Attila, but, you must agree, it is better to lead a polemic, knowing the name of the opponent
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 11 May 2020 19: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: st2st
      Krajina sees them, only, for some reason, the exchange goes Ukrainians to Ukrainians

      Duc last year, two Russian commandos were handed over in exchange for someone.
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 11 May 2020 16: 26 New
    0
    Hmmm ... And I can tell about the neighbors of the city of Donetsk at the same time ... Okay, even about the fact that we were on the territory of the Donetsk region and the mobile camp, where they drove the reservists - and in all seriousness, on a blue eye, for example, a man on the camera in ukronovosti said - "no, we understand that we need to defend the Motherland from Russian aggression. But we have been sitting here for a month in tents, for which it is not clear." And judging by the talk, that man was local, clearly not a Hutsul. But even in Volnovakha and Mariupol there were many people who were against the separation. Even more so when different Farion screamed. "there are no people in Mariupol - there are only quilted jackets" - and then there were gun-looters
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2020 17: 03 New
      0
      And it was not in vain against they were against the outcome
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 11 May 2020 17: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Kronos
        And it was not in vain against they were against the outcome

        Kanation! Of course, with the Nazis it is better - well, it doesn't matter that the Azov battalion militants once blew up the only line of the railway leading to Mariupol. It doesn't matter that the Nazis threw up antipersonnel in the port, by the way, the city-forming enterprise - what is it? Well, they drank some "savory cava" on the Champs-Elysees - it happens ... I don't give a damn about the shootings of regular buses going to the city from another city-forming enterprise - the Mariupol Metallurgical Plant (by the way, you can hang yourself out of spite - it is named after Ilyich to this day). Rest houses occupied by Carpathian cattle and the tool shop squeezed out of the MMZ - it has nothing to do with it, as well as the Azov ship repair that suddenly collapsed with dill - who needs work. before us the ceevropa!
        You look in Marika, how dill go to this day - no less than three - thanks, you see, they are afraid - you can’t carry away laughing
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 May 2020 17: 27 New
          -1
          I didn’t write that everything is great there, but there’s no war there and no blockade
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 11 May 2020 17: 31 New
            +1
            But there is a concentration camp at the airport. and so everything is fine! There is no work, no money, fascists, painting on the houses the emblems of the Dirlewanger brigade with unequivocal threats to the inhabitants of Marik - there are, wars, his mother - no! You and your curators will drive you there, so that sometimes you listen to how the mortar works under the house!
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 11 May 2020 17: 54 New
              0
              There is no work, no money, and in the DPR, too, by the way, the Communist was initially against the wars and now
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 03 New
                -1
                Well, at least - there are no concentration camps in Novorossiya. Neither those that suited the Tornado, nor those that to this day are held by the Azov regiment, and both of them are "law enforcers!" Some cops were considered, the second seemed to be the same, well, yes, geheim staatspolitsai, all exactly according to the precepts of the grandfathers whom they forgot to hang
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 11 May 2020 18: 04 New
                  +1
                  Have you seen the last tube clip about cellars in the DPR?
                  1. Cowbra
                    Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 09 New
                    -2
                    And what about the basements? Unnamed mass graves with a bunch of corpses, like under an airport in Mariupol? AND? The testimonies of numerous witnesses, moreover, in a Ukrainian court about torture or rape in the dungeons of oh-wei, the same AFU Tornado battalion? AND? Come on, burn with a verb!
                    1. Kronos
                      Kronos 11 May 2020 18: 10 New
                      +1
                      Watch a video talk to understand the subject of conversation
                      1. Cowbra
                        Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 17 New
                        -3
                        Yes, I already know, and I have known for a long time. And to you for such "rear Cossacks" to say. so that you understand who is there?
                      2. Kronos
                        Kronos 11 May 2020 18: 18 New
                        +1
                        Speak I do not mind
                      3. Cowbra
                        Cowbra 11 May 2020 18: 26 New
                        0
                        Among the militias, especially at first, there were different people, and even, for example, marauders. How they were caught and how they were treated is a separate song, and IMHO - quite understandable, about such people at all - "according to the law of wartime" (c) Now we can compare with Tornado and "Dung", which were pressed for example by owners of gas stations or district shops. This is banditry, moreover, associated with a whole group of related articles of the Criminal Code. By the way, the basement was closed, but the concentration camp was not. Tell us again that it is better to live under the fascists
            2. Normal ok
              Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 11 New
              -1
              Quote: Cowbra
              Well, at least - there are no concentration camps in Novorossia. Neither those that suited the Tornado, nor those that still keep now turned out to be the Azov Regiment

              But each battalion had its own basement. Such know-how is a mini-concentration camp.
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 29 New
          -2
          Quote: Cowbra
          But there is a concentration camp at the airport. and so everything is fine! There is no work, no money, fascists, painting on the houses the emblems of the Dirlewanger brigade with unequivocal threats to the inhabitants of Marik - there are, wars, his mother - no! You and your curators will drive you there, so that sometimes you listen to how the mortar works under the house!

          I am from Odessa and quite a literate person (I hope that two higher educations give me the right to do so). So, after May 2, as a former officer of the Soviet Army, I was seriously thinking about leaving for you. Only two formations turned out to be a problem)) The head (whether it was not okay) decided that first it was necessary to "break through" - what, in fact, who actually is and how it is actually done there. The blessing of friends is the sea. And what I learned turned out to be very unattractive - the dismantling of the oligarchs and complete chaos, under beautiful slogans. For this, either deceived people (of whom the majority), or "soldiers of fortune" can fight. As a result, the head was right (thanks to her). LDNR is still a gray territory where serious people make money and even more serious people make politics. And no one ever took people into account there. So, bang your head against the keyboard, BUT the reality is that. Only the blind will not notice. Although, there is always hope for a miracle ((
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 11 May 2020 20: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Normal ok
            And what I learned turned out to be very unattractive - the dismantling of the oligarchs and complete chaos, under beautiful slogans. For this, either deceived people (of whom the majority), or "soldiers of fortune" can fight. As a result, the head turned out to be right (thanks to her).

            You know, not only. I am not one of the "gray geese", for example, or this is Pavel Dremov - who is he like that?
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 11 May 2020 21: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Cowbra
              Quote: Normal ok
              And what I learned turned out to be very unattractive - the dismantling of the oligarchs and complete chaos, under beautiful slogans. For this, either deceived people (of whom the majority), or "soldiers of fortune" can fight. As a result, the head turned out to be right (thanks to her).

              You know, not only. I am not one of the "gray geese", for example, or this is Pavel Dremov - who is he like that?

              I'm not giving you a minus. Although over the last hour someone put minuses to me for all comments that are not related to the topic)) You, an ordinary person, who, on the wave of the Russian spring, hoped for a fairy tale. And now he does not have the courage to admit that, as in the 90s, you were divorced to "grandmother".
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 13 May 2020 20: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Normal ok
                that as in the 90s, you were bred to the "grandmother".

                Not for "money", and even, as I suspect that you know, you heard what the militia's salary was, "for money" - well, for an idea, well, yes. So you know, divorced, not divorced, but we did something, I'm not ashamed that I was, I was busy with business. not in the sense that he was not messing around, but to the voice "no one but us" from the uninvolved - I will say. Why I was there - everything is simple, relatives. And damn it, there were no options for what they had to do, but I arrived late, so I also had questions for dill. Mortals are like that.
          2. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
            ROMAN VYSOTSKY 11 May 2020 22: 46 New
            +1
            The territory may be gray, but people are normal. Both Russians and Ukrainians and Jews. And Bandera people do not march with torches, do not burn and do not hit anyone neither for the Russian language, nor for Ukrainian. They live, maybe poorly so far, but happily. The vast majority are very pretty, not in Ukraine.
            And Ukrainian propaganda is enough there, but people understand where truth and freedom are, and not fiction. That's where the reality is.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 12 May 2020 05: 13 New
              -2
              Quote: ROMAN VYSOTSKY
              The territory may be gray, but people are normal

              People are always normal / ordinary, there is no talk about this. that's just the bastards manipulate them. and people keep on all sorts of promises. What is there, what is here. But pitting people like dogs is a classic of capitalism. If only they didn’t ask their authorities extra questions. Let them fight themselves while we do the loot on this ...
            2. Arpad
              Arpad 12 May 2020 05: 45 New
              -4
              Quote: ROMAN VYSOTSKY
              they don’t burn and beat anyone neither for the Russian language, nor for Ukrainian

              Well, they don’t beat for Russian and Ukraine, but the law on the only language in LDNR has been passed.
              Strange and how do you differ?
              1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
                ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 12: 15 New
                -1
                The Ukrainian language has lost the status of the state. This is true. But in fact, in business communication, no one ever spoke to him in the DPR. But unlike Ukraine, nobody excludes him from everyday communication. And in schools he still teaches something where, in villages they say surzhik. And no one condemns anyone for using it. Even in the most difficult times, in the 14th and 15th years, I freely sang Ukrainian songs in public places and in the company of military personnel, the overwhelming majority of which had huge accounts for Ukrainians, and no one gave me a shot in the face or shot me.
                And in the Western Movement no one ever in the Donbass did not razmovil. And in Odessa, I think, too.
                1. Arpad
                  Arpad 12 May 2020 13: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ROMAN VYSOTSKY
                  But unlike Ukraine, nobody excludes him from everyday communication

                  Tales do not tell how many times I was in Ukraine, I spoke only in Russian
                  1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
                    ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 19: 01 New
                    -1
                    I do not claim that they do not speak Russian, especially in Novorossia and Kiev, in everyday life. Read the comments more carefully.
    2. Avior
      Avior 11 May 2020 18: 03 New
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      They described everything healthy, not a city, but a ruin. The main thing is not how it is in reality, but who describes it.
      But this is far from reality ...
      Peaceful calm city.
      Mariupol residents do not feel like going to the DPR; the times are gone when they wanted it, the situation has changed a long time ago.
      And the railway there is in place.
      And Metinvest factories work there and salaries are more than decent.
      And the average 10-15 thousand rubles in the republics at best is actually the salary of a low-paid cleaning lady in Mariupol.
      There is no need to engage in self-deception - the idea of ​​the republics that looked great at the beginning - was seriously shaken from reality and, frankly, beggarly salaries.
      And the number of people who want to join in has fallen sharply, which is clearly seen on the example of Mariupol.
      hi
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        1. Avior
          Avior 11 May 2020 18: 57 New
          +1
          I perfectly understood that you are from Mariupol.
          And if you wrote that all this is not so, I would take note of it.
          Only the 21st century is in the yard, and from the other end of the planet is not a problem to contact.
          One of my acquaintances of the institute Soviet years is working on Azovstal, scattered throughout the Union, and then around the world, sometimes we communicate with him.
          Here is a graphic illustration for me - at first he very actively drowned for the DPR, although he himself did not participate in anything, and wrote about the lawlessness of Azov, only the time has changed, now he scolds the Ukrainian authorities, scolds the authorities and Akhmetov, but about joining the DPR from you can’t read it anymore.
          And according to him, it has typically become adapted to life and most are happy with it. He doesn’t write anything about any devastation now in the city, as in your post.
          I understand that he is not the navel of the earth, that he sees life one by one, and you see another, this is a matter of the view of a specific person, it is still purely subjective, so I will not argue in vain.
          hi
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 11 May 2020 19: 11 New
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            You’ll laugh like that - I’m a Muscovite, just Marik and his environs - I’m forty years old and not alien, I know worse Moscow than for example Mitkovo-Kochkari, Yalta (which is near Mariupol winked ) that Volnovakhu)))
            Well, about the devastation in Marika, here is how to look and what to compare. That the people have not yet died all - that is. not to kill a real crest with a shovel. But all these are the things that I listed - I didn’t lie there with a single letter - not once! And many more that did not add ... How to describe all this? Yes, hell knows, I can only say that, for example, when I was president, Pososenko was completely afraid to meet with the voters, the second time, apparently he drank more, for courage - and he got a natural obstruction in Marika at the MMZ. Well, that’s all to Ukrainian attitude
            1. Avior
              Avior 11 May 2020 19: 39 New
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              Poroshenko was met not only in Mariupol.
              This is not an indicator.
              Scolding any authority is an old Ukrainian tradition, just national fun. They scolded Kuchma,
              Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Poroshenko, Zelensky-all.

              From what I know, now there aren’t such horrors as you wrote, it used to be, the Mariupol’s adapted themselves quite well, the indignation from him was low wages, high rents, they gradually disappeared, by Moscow standards the salary may not be very , but in the provincial - more than decent at Akhmetovsk factories at least, there, as I understand it, most of life revolves around them.
      2. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
        ROMAN VYSOTSKY 11 May 2020 22: 54 New
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        About the salary of a low-paid cleaning lady in Mariupol, it’s you, brother, you lied without thinking.
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 May 2020 03: 15 New
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          Do not "think" you wrote it.
          It is so easily verified that I am surprised that you didn’t even do basic things before making rude remarks.
          The minimum salary in Ukraine is 4723 UAH, even a cleaner cannot receive less.
          https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/min/
          which at today's exchange rate of 2,74 is 12 rubles.
          In general, it is clear that their moods have changed.
          1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
            ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 12: 22 New
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            The minimum wage is like the average temperature in a hospital. What can and should it be spent on? What can people afford and how do they live?
            I could write that in LDNR the minimum pensions are higher and the average salary. But this is only statistics.
            1. Avior
              Avior 12 May 2020 12: 53 New
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              The minimum is not average, but the salary value, below which it cannot be
              Here below 13 thousand can not be in principle
              I wrote about this
              And the average salary in that part of the Donetsk region, near Ukraine, 12220 UAH, which is about 33 thousand rubles
              There already scatter is possible, but in any case not less than 13 thousand
              hi
              1. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
                ROMAN VYSOTSKY 12 May 2020 19: 05 New
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                Go to Mariupol job search sites. There are job offers for vacancies for cleaners and security guards from 2000 gr., I.e. below the minimum. In Russia, despite the fact that the minimum wage is 12130 rubles, there are vacancies, especially in agricultural from 5000 rubles. The bourgeoisie is everywhere greedy and spat on laws.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 12 May 2020 19: 22 New
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                  2 thousand is a one-time job or part-time job like going to the end of the job and wiping the floors in the store for half an hour
                  Official full-time employment, in principle, cannot be lower than the official minimum wage
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 11 May 2020 17: 39 New
    +1
    We are gone from Sumeria and thank God.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 15 New
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      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      We are gone from Sumeria and thank God.

      Have gone nowhere. This is the problem. Even in "sumeria", it is better than in yours anywhere else.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 11 May 2020 21: 59 New
        +1
        This is the third Reich at the minimum, which Ukraine is writhing out of itself, after the coup in 2014 it went nowhere. And at the moment we have already built states.
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 12 May 2020 05: 19 New
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          Shaw sho you built? Rollback, wringing and cutting Russian help you have built. Yes, the Russian authorities do not know where to put you. so as not to interfere.
        2. Arpad
          Arpad 12 May 2020 05: 50 New
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          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And at the moment we have already built states.

          Well, firstly - to begin with, Russia recognized you as a state?
          If not, can anyone else?
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 12 May 2020 18: 13 New
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            If not banned at least on Wikipedia, read.
            But what if they were not recognized, then there cannot be a state? Even the Soviet Union, for example, was far from recognized immediately after many years. And some republics in the composition were not recognized until the collapse.
            Did it interfere? Not at all)
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  • evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 11 May 2020 18: 28 New
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    The State of the Republic of Kazakhstan (,, Capitalist Russia,), which has been steering for 30 years, in a beautiful, kind, wonderful country of Russia is nothing of itself. This is a fake state, a fake state, a quasi-state. It holds strange fireworks that cannot be looked at from the street, hangs up huge posters made by ignoramuses, where instead of Soviet veterans you can see German and Finnish soldiers, holds other obscure, noisy, and stupid events. Continuous, drumming, verbal chatter ... Young republics of Donbass are also learning this. Also - ,, noise, din, tararam ,,. And what lies behind ,, tinsel ,,? Poverty, gray-haired, Donetsk and Lugansk, no industry, agriculture undermined by a stupid tax policy. Weak army (,, people's militia ,,), where there are no politicians (which are politicians under capitalism?), But there are no military priests. What is NM based on? Only on the Soviet tradition. Somehow ... Fortunately, the traditions of the Soviet Army weren’t eaten yet. Young people serve for 1 year (get a military card) and ,, old people ,, who are too late to change anything in their life. .. Trying to leave, having eaten, amateurish, army, oddities, but return. Why? On ,, citizen ,, earnings of 15 still try to find. And there is no work and no earnings.
    Drunkenness, drug addiction, prostitution, widespread profanity, straying into, flocks, adolescents. Exactly, as in the Republic of Kazakhstan - the absence of the main thing - MEANING. The meaning of the existence of ,, young republics ,, which decided to become independent 6 (!) Years ago.
    And Ukraine is losing from the war. What good is a fratricidal war? Why is the proletariat from Zaporozhye better or worse than the proletariat from Donetsk? They also go to the Ukrainian army for the sake of earning. The lives of ordinary citizens there have definitely worsened over the years of the war.
    Where is the way out for LDNR? At the operational level - immediate entry into the Russian Federation. Two well-known areas (not ,, trimmed ,, areas).
    ... To Russia and personally to Putin V.V. still firmly believe in the territory of New Russia
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 May 2020 21: 08 New
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    Yes, in the wake of a general upswing, Donbass went against Ukraine.
    Then we all (Crimea and Southeast) suddenly believed in Miracle.
    It will happen that we all join together in the Russian Federation. And we will be happy. Not for some material benefits, but for an idea.
    It ended with what ended. Hopefully no need to paint.
    Honestly, the stories in the media for Odessa are especially enraging.
    Odessa, and Kharkov the same, were waiting for the intervention and support of the Russian Federation
    Which did not follow.
    I do not want to use the word surrender. But it really begs the truth.
    This is how I speak as a participant in certain events.
  • ZaDedov
    ZaDedov 11 May 2020 21: 27 New
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    And they did it right.
    Now people are better off living in republics than in Ukraine
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2020 21: 48 New
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      Sarcasm? If yes, then thinly
    2. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon 11 May 2020 23: 25 New
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      And what is better to live in the republics? winked
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 12 May 2020 05: 21 New
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        Quote: Red Dragon
        And what is better to live in the republics? winked

        How what? You can hang yourself, you can drown yourself - however, the choice.
  • SU3555
    SU3555 12 May 2020 10: 25 New
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    Poklonskaya gave an interview to Gordon "interesting video" says "I really want to return to Ukraine" What is your opinion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj7zEHRX0I8&feature=emb_logo
  • Odin
    Odin 12 May 2020 11: 35 New
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    In the Donbass, civil war is therefore.
    So "LDNR" do not fight for power in Kiev. They are fighting for joining the Russian Federation. Where is the "civil war" here?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 12 May 2020 11: 43 New
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      Because the citizens who were in the same state are at war
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