What is the future of Russian special forces after the reform?

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The problem of reorganizing military intelligence and special forces in the context of reforming the armed forces and bringing them to a new look is perhaps the most discussed in society. At the same time, it is important to note that opinions are divided on this issue: a part of the population supports reforms, but more people still speak very critically about innovations. By and large, the main reason for this attitude is the lack of plausible information, although special forces, by definition, should not devote their plans to the public. But today, keeping pace with the times, it seems quite logical to discuss the problem of military reform.

Among people interested in the military topic, there are rumors that the secret units of the Russian special forces are conducting secret special operations around the world. But this information was refuted by the captain of the 1st rank of naval intelligence fleet G. Sizikov. According to him, in peacetime there is no need to conduct such operations. Of course, the military leadership is obliged to have reliable data about a potential enemy, but ordinary scouts can quite cope with this task.

Even today, the Russian special forces have a much more important task - the reorganization of the management system. The need for reform is indicated by a large number of facts. So, for example, experts say that it is necessary to modernize the Russian special operations forces, following the example of other states of the world. But at the same time, there is a clear reluctance or inability to modernize the Russian special forces in such a way that it meets the requirements of modernity. Despite the fact that the decision regarding the creation of special operations forces in Russia was still made, the first steps in its implementation are frankly surprising. So, it is not clear why liquidate separate brigades of special forces or subordinate them to other departments.

At present, there is a very widespread opinion that army special forces for its intended purpose, that is, as a tool for operational intelligence, cannot be used properly in the alleged scenarios of armed conflicts. In addition, in matters of tactics, there is also a lack of intelligence for the successful conduct of hostilities. A vivid example of this is the situation in South Ossetia, when Russian special forces had a real opportunity to show themselves from the best side. Instead of successfully operating in the Georgian rear and providing intelligence to "their", as well as adjusting aviation and artillery attacks on enemy positions, the public became available information that Russian special forces were moving at random and in the end more than once were ambushed ...
It often happens that the special forces units are obliged to change their places of deployment. At the same time, the opinion is quite seriously expressed that those who do not support the decisions of the leadership of the military department and who do not like reforming the armed forces have no place there. And sometimes the situation comes frankly to the point of absurdity: the dissenters are almost blamed for the collapse of the army and the state as a whole.

So, recently there was information that the 24-th separate brigade of special forces must be transferred to a new location. Note that this unit was relocated to Irkutsk from Ulan-Ude in the 2009 year, breaking the 700 kilometers under its own power. Now it is ordered to move to Novosibirsk, while the families of military personnel remain in Irkutsk ...

This decision has caused a large number of questions, the answers to which are not yet available. If this decision is related to politics, then how can its expediency be explained? Indeed, in the case of the transfer of the brigade, in the territory from Ulan-Ude to Novosibirsk, and this 1500 kilometers in a straight line there will not be a single military unit or unit?

If the decision has military roots, then how and what to explain that a quarter of the state’s territory, which is strategically important (this is where Baikal is located - the source of fresh water), remains defenseless. And how will the mobility of the armed forces be achieved and operational strategic command posts established, if the nearest military unit is more than 2 thousand kilometers?

At its core, special forces are specially created, trained and equipped units of the army, which are designed to perform certain tasks in order to achieve political, military and other goals in wartime and in peacetime.

As for the GRU special forces, this unit was created to conduct sabotage behind enemy lines in enemy territories, to conduct various counter-actions, conduct special intelligence and create a partisan movement in the rear of the enemy. But, according to the new reform, the GRU special forces no longer exist, because the GRU control no longer controls this special unit. Here is such a result ...

But the account of the Soviet special forces was a huge number of successful operations. His finest hour is considered to be the times when military operations were conducted in Afghanistan. At that time, the special forces included 14 separate brigades, two training regiments, of the order of 30, separate companies. When hostilities began in Afghanistan, it was the special forces that served as the basis for creating the 15 and 22 separate brigades of the special forces, which operated in the conflict zone. Three-quarters of all operations carried out there during the war years did not go without the active participation of special forces, even though their number did not exceed 1 percent of the total number of the Soviet army.

During the war years in Chechnya, the GRU special forces also took an active part in conducting special operations. During this period, 29 special forces received the titles of Heroes of Russia, and for 2002 a year about 2 thousands of special forces were awarded combat medals and orders.

In addition, to achieve the full staff in the Krasnodar Territory, the 10-I Special Forces Special (Special) Brigade was additionally formed, which was stationed in the Crimea during the USSR.

Thus, at the time of the beginning of the reform of the Russian armed forces, the special forces had 9 special brigades. They included 5 Heroes of the Soviet Union and 30 Heroes of Russia. This is a vivid testimony not only of the fact that special forces soldiers are distinguished by their special courage and loyalty to the country, but also that they possess highly professional skills and a great deal of combat experience.

Special forces brigades were distributed in all six military districts. In 2005-2007, funds were allocated to the 2, 16, 10, and 22 brigades as part of the federal target program Transition to Contract. There was not enough money for the 24 and 14 teams. The condition of the 67 Special Forces Special Forces Brigade was extremely difficult, because for many years no money was allocated for its maintenance and development. The only thing that was done at the place of its deployment was a major overhaul of the barracks.

Moreover, if we consider the period of 2003-2010, both teams — 14 and 24 — received a total of about 3 million rubles (!) For the development of the field base, infrastructure and training grounds.

In 2007, the 67-I Special Forces Special Forces Brigade, which was engaged in conducting operations in Chechnya, was disbanded. Initially, it was assumed that funds would be allocated for its arrangement, but then suddenly an order was received to disband it. Thus, the special forces, who had extensive combat experience, became useless to the state and government. Most of the fighters quit, some went to serve in other military units, up to the rear support units.

And now the “hands have reached” and to the 24 brigade. Initially, the unit was stationed in Ulan-Ude. There was a good training base, which made it possible to most effectively conduct combat training. And since the brigade was not far from the airfield, it is safe to say that it was a truly mobile military unit. Almost all personnel were provided with housing. And the infrastructure of the military base and its communications made it possible without much expense to equip a brigade in accordance with the latest world standards.

Suddenly, the military leadership decides to transfer the brigade to Irkutsk, without explaining its reasons. Moreover, no funds were allocated for the "relocation", so the unit was forced to redeploy on its own (and this is 700 kilometers). That the military department won from such rearrangements is completely incomprehensible, since at the new place there was neither an appropriate training base, nor a training ground where they could be engaged in combat training and shooting. In addition, the fighters, instead of training, were forced to arrange the unit, and at their own expense.

But even despite all the difficulties, the 24-I brigade remained on top, taking high prizes in the army events.

And here is a new solution - another redeployment - this time to Novosibirsk, where several years ago the 67 Brigade was abolished ...

The development prospects of the 24 Special Forces Brigade at the new place, alas, is not much. New movement again takes precious time that could be spent on combat training. Instead, the fighters will be forced to protect a huge territory, develop infrastructure. The brigade will also not be able to conduct combat training in full, since the territory of the military unit itself is located in the center of the city, but there is no training ground. Moreover, the standard of living of servicemen at the new location will drop significantly, as their family members will again become unemployed and will be forced to look for ways to settle, because the Ministry of Defense does not undertake to render assistance in finding work for them.

If the situation continues to develop in a similar vein, then very soon Russia will have to forget about the special forces. Or it is necessary to change the policy in respect of special forces. At present, the future of the special forces fighters depends only on the head of state, on how interested he is in the existence of a force capable of protecting the national interests and security of the country in the international arena.

To do this, it is necessary to monitor the implementation of a very wide range of tasks that will really help to reform the special forces, turning it into a combat-ready, professional, mobile, compact, well-equipped and trained force.

Materials used:
http://zavtra.ru/content/view/nuzhen-li-rossii-spetsnaz/
http://republic.com.ua/article/9524-old.html
http://rusiank.livejournal.com/884263.html
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  1. bachast
    +13
    3 August 2012 07: 47
    How much you can talk about it. Everyone understands that:
    Currently, the future of special forces soldiers depends only on the head of state, on how interested he is in the existence of a force capable of protecting the national interests and security of the country in the international arena.
    1. curious
      0
      8 August 2012 15: 21
      I’m completely confused - what kind of reform is it? Will the military personnel withstand him mentally and mentally? When will the fighters be left alone and allowed to go about their business properly?
  2. Captain Vrungel
    +19
    3 August 2012 07: 51
    With one stroke of the pen, to lose everything that has been accumulated over decades. Create something, it is not clear what. it is unclear why, and after making sure after a while that the special forces came to a complete collapse, to start reviving from scratch, but not to these "commanders", but to those professionals (if they remain) who will replace them.
    1. +13
      3 August 2012 10: 03
      Captain Vrungel:
      Sometimes it seems to me that everything in the leadership is purposefully done for the collapse ... As if the enemies were there ... But is that not so? AND?
      1. Captain Vrungel
        +6
        3 August 2012 11: 12
        baron.nn! In Ukraine, yes. You hit the nail on the head. This is so with us.
        1. +3
          3 August 2012 13: 50
          Captain Vrungel:
          It is sad that the Ukrainians are being humiliated for the sake of some momentary personal interests. instead of building a prosperous society. And if not within the framework of one state, then at least within the framework of two friendly ones!
        2. Koshakai
          +5
          3 August 2012 18: 16
          I have to upset us no better, do you know about the Air Force what shit democrats do? And what about the defense plants controlled from abroad? I’m not talking about the rest because I don’t know for sure. (I’m serious about defense plants: my father worked at Kurgan Mash-Zavod, what is going on there I know by hearsay)
          1. curious
            0
            8 August 2012 15: 23
            As I understand it: in peacetime, professionals in military special forces are simply dangerous for someone, but when the war comes, then we’ll type in a fire order. Everything as usual
  3. +7
    3 August 2012 08: 05
    The special forces have eternity ahead, the grief of the reformers oblivion and contempt!
    1. +10
      3 August 2012 10: 05
      Bort Radist:
      I would like to believe, but take a look at the grief-reformers of the 90s (Chubais, Germans and other scum), are they oblivious? no, they are in business and turn over millions .. And as for contempt, they do not care. They despise their people! When will justice prevail?
    2. 0
      3 August 2012 16: 47
      Quote: Bort Radist
      ... at the heart of the reformers oblivion and contempt!

      That's just oblivion is not necessary, please! Just as good and disgusting oblivion cannot be subject.
  4. KOMOd Shpakov
    0
    3 August 2012 08: 30
    Everywhere the same thing. B .... Th, how scary to live in the midst of this dibilism. I want back to the Union.
  5. +6
    3 August 2012 08: 40
    These bureaucrats-reformers got it. All the best that could have been invented has already been invented in the best years of the development of the Soviet Union. No, this is not enough and not enough, it’s necessary to change something again, form it, disband it, call for money and withdraw it, receive general’s ranks while letting the fate of ordinary soldiers go in the wind ... Who, at last, will just throw it away tries such crap reformers, will start to plant them for the banal weakening of the military potential of the motherland ???
    1. Koshakai
      +2
      3 August 2012 18: 20
      I support, confiscate the property thereof And their relatives and the crowd to cut down the forest. That would be right.
  6. +7
    3 August 2012 09: 06
    There are several inaccuracies in the article. Firstly, from Ulan-Ude not 700 but 450 km. Secondly, the brigade was deployed on the territory of the former IWATU and the military unit with very good infrastructure and not far from the airport. And only the 1st battalion was transferred to Novosib.
    But if the brigade is completely transferred, it will be very sorry. Of course, the Belaya airfield, the Strategic Missile Forces division, the military units and the art regiment in Chistye Klyuchi, and much more will remain in the Irkutsk Region. But the bases on the territory of IWATU, commerce will be quickly pulled away and it will be expensive and long to restore it or build a new one.
    1. SIT
      0
      3 August 2012 14: 54
      Do not make it clear why 16th was transferred somewhere near Tambov? Why was Chuchkovo bad? There is not modern, of course, but the base was large. Barracks in 3 floors.
      1. urchik
        +1
        4 August 2012 17: 32
        Two barracks on two floors, one three-room barracks, an excellent academic building, club, warehouses, fleet, take-off under the AN-2 !!! Everything was for intelligence training. Ruined, talked MO Ivanov put his hand. The pain of looking at the ruins
        1. curious
          0
          8 August 2012 15: 25
          It seems that they did everything to ensure that these special forces were further away from Moscow. Maybe it just seemed to me
  7. 0
    3 August 2012 09: 15
    Instead of whores like Serdyukov and his ilk, it’s time to put in military personnel generals.
  8. anchonsha
    +4
    3 August 2012 09: 37
    It’s hard to argue about what you don’t know .... The same is true for the frequent relocation of special forces. It is not known what caused this and why, what we get in return. After all, at the top they think about something before they do it ... Although there are enough douroloms there, and where the muddy water will always be able to profit ...
    1. Koshakai
      +6
      3 August 2012 18: 21
      At the top, they think about money before doing something ...
  9. Igor
    +4
    3 August 2012 09: 49
    What is the future of Russian special forces after the reform?


    Nothing good.
  10. Consul
    +2
    3 August 2012 10: 00
    Something tells me that this is plagiarism. The basis of the article (most of it) was taken from S.A. Kanchukov http://www.zavtra.ru/content/view/nuzhen-li-rossii-spetsnaz/. The presentation can be written for yourself, and people are interested in reading more truthful material of their own production.
    1. bachast
      0
      3 August 2012 12: 34
      Something suggests that the author indicated the materials on which he relied. And your link is there.

      Materials used:
      http://zavtra.ru/content/view/nuzhen-li-rossii-spetsnaz/
      http://republic.com.ua/article/9524-old.html
      http://rusiank.livejournal.com/884263.html

      The author wrote an article using these materials. Why do you think his article is less true?
      1. Consul
        0
        3 August 2012 14: 18
        The author’s article is no less true, all the facts set forth in it are sad reality. I’m saying that the material under discussion is nothing more than a repetition of an article by General Kanchukov.
  11. schta
    +3
    3 August 2012 10: 20
    In my purely civilian opinion, we need special forces against special forces. It is hunter hunters.

    The point of wasting professionals versus semi-professionals?
    1. s1н7т
      +1
      4 August 2012 11: 10
      ... In my purely civilian opinion, we need special forces against special forces. It is hunter hunters ...
      ____________________
      Believe it or not, it happened before. In 91 he served in a unit that was focused on the "green berets" that stand in Okinawa. In the Chancellery, I remember, even photos of their officers were hanging)))
      1. curious
        0
        8 August 2012 15: 27
        s1н7т
        I wonder what kind of part did you have? If there is an opportunity and desire, I would like to hear more
  12. Stefano
    +2
    3 August 2012 10: 46
    Already before the elite troops got hurt
  13. +6
    3 August 2012 10: 52
    When I hear the word "reform," I get goose bumps! The troops have already "reformed to the degree of g ... a and rags from Yudashkin!"
  14. Dmitry.V
    +2
    3 August 2012 11: 38
    What they do not like all recognized the best special forces in the world? Or the conflict in Ossetia showed some people that we can stand up for our interests and are still able to force peace.
    1. Koshakai
      +1
      3 August 2012 18: 24
      Yeah, and that you need to do something with this, that’s what they do ... bastards.
  15. +3
    3 August 2012 13: 04
    Only in the history of the 24th brigade Serdyukov should be kicked out to hell, or even imprisoned. A striking example of the thoughtfulness of "reforms." Among people interested in the military topic, there are rumors that classified units of Russian special forces are engaged in secret special operations around the world. But this information was refuted by the captain of the 1st rank of the intelligence of the navy G. Sizikov. According to him, there is no need for such operations in peacetime. Of course, the military leadership is obliged to have reliable information about the potential enemy, but simple scouts can cope with this task. Under these conditions, we are reducing the most combat-ready professional units. In general, the reform of the Russian Armed Forces is absurd.
    1. +4
      3 August 2012 13: 46
      You know, it seems to me that with the beginning of these epic reforms we worsened our combat power even more, we bought a couple of planes, helicopters, for which we destroyed the infantry and special forces, and this is more important in my opinion. By 2020, nothing will remain of the army at such a pace, there will be aircraft helicopters on which there is no one to fly. Special forces are falling apart, who will now carry out their tasks? In general, the next blah blah blah blah from the government.
    2. Sergl
      0
      3 August 2012 14: 08
      Quote: Grenader
      In general, the reform of the Russian Armed Forces is absurd.


      Why not. If you take a conspiracy point of view, the absurdity turns into a chain of logical actions. And if we continue to stand on the conspiracy point of view, it becomes clear that the goal of the reform is not the development of the army, from the word “absolutely”.
  16. SIT
    +5
    3 August 2012 15: 15
    Among people interested in the military topic, rumors are circulating that the secret units of the Russian special forces are conducting secret special operations around the world. But this information was refuted by the captain of the 1st rank of intelligence of the Navy G. Sizikov. According to him, in peacetime there is no need for such operations. Of course, the military leadership is obliged to have reliable data about a potential enemy, but ordinary scouts can quite cope with this task.

    I oh .... ay, dear edition ... I don’t even know how to comment on this. There, in Moscow, everyone went into commerce or something and even a telly no time to see? The Arab spring is made like a carbon copy in every country. The ears of the special services stick out so you can’t hide any rebels on pickup trucks with the DShK. Target designation of aviation in Libya was made, well, clearly not by those who screamed Allahu akbar. Camels landed from the sea in Tripoli, too, clearly not sons of deserts. In Syria, it stalled, well, as much as possible in the same scenario, letter by letter. Iran and Central Asia are next in turn, and there our turn will do. If the Special Forces do not stop it there in the Middle East and Central Asia, then in Grozny, Makhachkala, Ufa and Kazan, they will have to stop tanks. And he says once that we don’t need it .. Maybe the mansion bought where the thread in Spain or Mexico is next to Taburetkin, so they don’t need anything? Damn senility grows stronger ....
    1. Consul
      0
      3 August 2012 15: 26
      Here is an approximate development of events.
      After Syria, the "democrats" will come to Belarus
      http://www.argumenti.ru/society/n349/192198
    2. s1н7т
      0
      4 August 2012 11: 20
      So it is not the business of military intelligence to "stop" anything, but the main task is information. It's just that recently special forces units are often used as mobile infantry. It seems that many people do not even suspect the existence of such a book as "Fundamentals of Combat Use of Reconnaissance Units ..." And there it is specifically indicated for what tasks who is intended.
      1. SIT
        0
        4 August 2012 17: 29
        Quote: c1n7
        So it's not the business of military intelligence to "stop" anything,

        There may not be army intelligence, but not special forces. It is necessary to stop it not in a bayonet attack with chains on machine guns. Detect and transmit the coordinates of something or someone key at the moment in this place. Next, a smart rocket will fly in an open window and they will tell everyone about super duper nano technology. No one will know about the fact that this rocket was launched by guys who can crawl for hours on their belly and not be detected by any modern TSS. Or quietly remove simultaneously all who have to make a decision in the situation that will be created. Again, organize the loss of money and weapons supplied to the rebels, so that they thought of each other and clung to each other. The range of tasks is non-standard and requires the preparation of SPN. Now when the organization of controlled chaos is going on, it is precisely with the forces of special forces that only the same specialists with the same training and the same methods can competently compete with them. And blah do not need to do anything anew. We must remember our own experience, otherwise damn, there are always no prophets in their own country. In the days of the USSR, in case of war, it was possible to deploy an underground organization in the Uyghur Xianqian region of China, and China is not Egypt and Tunisia for you. They put it to the wall without hesitation. Now all this went to the Islamists for free. We have no less experience than the USSF. It is only necessary not to throw it in a landfill for the sake of all amateurs and businessmen.
  17. Odessa
    +1
    3 August 2012 16: 15
    One can hardly surprise anyone with this mess. Patriotism is patriotism, and families need to be fed too. Here sometimes they leave service in security companies or crime. And some emigrate to Israel, we used to have a huge article in the media, Russian special forces in Israeli prisons. First create unbearable conditions for service or disband, and then, according to the old tradition, restore. Horror, nothing more to add.
  18. +2
    3 August 2012 16: 20
    again forget some things.
    For example, instead of the 67th Brigade, the 34th Mountain Brigade was created
    http://www.pomnivoinu.ru/home/articles/954/ вот про нее можно почитать которая всяко лучше подготовлена к горам. Да и многие офицеры перешли из спецназа Туда. Сейчас на Кавказе формируют вторую подобную бригаду.
    1. Consul
      +1
      3 August 2012 16: 26
      Do not mislead people. During the disbandment, the 67th Brigade had nothing to do with the Ground Forces. The decision to create the 34th brigade was made back in 2006.
      1. 0
        3 August 2012 17: 15
        Did I say that the 34th belongs to the GRU?
        And what is more effective in the mountains?
    2. SIT
      +2
      3 August 2012 17: 02
      Quote: leon-iv
      For example, instead of the 67th Brigade, the 34th Mountain Brigade was created

      The Mountain Rifle Brigade and the Special Forces Brigade are still not the same thing. Or mountain shooters are also trained to conduct special reconnaissance, organize partisan movements, sabotage operations at such facilities as missile positions, early warning stations, nuclear power plants, etc. ? And the fact that military men from special forces units will leave for mountain brigades is to hammer nails with a microscope. Preparing a real specialist costs such money that to use it in mountain shooters is to heat the stove in cash.
      1. +3
        4 August 2012 09: 13
        Quote: SIT
        Preparing a real specialist costs such money that to use it in mountain shooters is to heat the stove in cash.

        What kind of specialist can be made from conscripts for 1 year of service? The same 24 crew consists of 90% of conscripts.
        1. SIT
          +2
          4 August 2012 17: 09
          Quote: ramzes1776
          What kind of specialist can be made from conscripts for 1 year of service? The same 24 crew consists of 90% of conscripts

          CPs should be 100% contracted. For a year there is no sense in sending anything at all.
      2. +1
        5 August 2012 13: 15
        write nonsense. conscripts serve in the special forces, and during the year of service they do not make him a specialist, but simply a digrod. prick bottles with a head; this is not SPECIALIZATION.
        1. curious
          0
          8 August 2012 15: 30
          For a year of service, in principle, no Special Forces soldier can be trained. But he needs to serve once
  19. +1
    3 August 2012 17: 31
    Sprinkle ash on your head early. Too unspecific information. The topic of SpN is too closed to outsiders. In general, intelligence can be heard either only bad or nothing. Although the topic is interesting, many different things are written on the Agent. I like to dig around there.
    1. -1
      5 August 2012 13: 17
      earlier this scribbler would have been pulled up for alarmism. the article is not about anything.
  20. Download Do Re Mi
    0
    3 August 2012 20: 45
    Fagot staff, 12 OBrSpN disbanded!
  21. +1
    3 August 2012 21: 49
    At first, everything will be destroyed, and then heroically restored. The history repeats with frightening intervals. Special forces, GRU special forces were the most combat-ready military units in the SA. And in those years, little was spread of information about them. Now everything and all information about them in the media and on the Internet.
  22. Oleg Rosskiyy
    -1
    3 August 2012 22: 55
    That's why they and special forces, so that the enemy’s brains go crazy from information that refutes each other, because the Americans are used to calculating everything according to the logical algorithm, and the Russians are doing everything contrary to logic.
  23. Consul
    +1
    3 August 2012 23: 50
    Quote: leon-iv
    And what is more effective in the mountains?

    It is not possible to compare the effectiveness of the operations of SPN brigades and mountain brigades; the tasks are different.
    1. s1н7т
      +2
      4 August 2012 11: 24
      I would like to add that during the "stagnant time" at least 2 brigades were focused on actions in the mountains.
  24. -1
    4 August 2012 00: 41
    Quote: Bort Radist
    the grief of the Reformers is oblivion and contempt!

    These words are to God’s ears.
  25. SoVIet ZiMBo_O
    -1
    4 August 2012 01: 07
    What is the future, bright-comrades-bright wink
  26. s1н7т
    -2
    4 August 2012 11: 31
    The problems of the Army / Navy Special Forces cannot be considered in isolation from the problems of the GRU and the army as a whole. And since we suck with this, why be surprised ?!
  27. i691471
    -1
    4 August 2012 12: 54
    Is it really not clear? Clear the way for China.
  28. stroporez
    -2
    4 August 2012 13: 44
    it is absolutely obvious (I think no one will argue) - the goal of the current leadership is to finally and irrevocably destroy the POWER ............ hang up for this ........
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 12: 27
      To destroy? No. Everything is much more commonplace. They don’t know HOW, because they are amateurs (Profi knows and does it for sure, but the amateur doesn’t know and "does" anyway) And this is very close to us. Zadornov’s good phrase is the generation of some koker.
      Amateurs came to power in the early 90s, pros and highly qualified specialists left / survived. No one needs literate people, because they do not what they say / order, but as necessary, accurately and with a future perspective.
  29. Oleg Rosskiyy
    +1
    4 August 2012 14: 20
    For what purpose, between the US and Russia in the 90s, was an agreement signed under which Russia was prohibited from moving its own troops on its own territory? For "minusers".
  30. 0
    4 August 2012 15: 13
    Let it be with us all. The main thing is to get rid of fantasies that under the USSR everything was hurt. And the army needs to be reformed. And create special forces. But already applied to new realities.
    1. s1н7т
      -2
      4 August 2012 15: 22
      ... and create special forces ...

      Are these for dispersal of demonstrations? So they are already so full already!)))
      And in order to talk about the need for reform in the army, one must at least know why. And in vain to shake the air and knows how to fart, heard enough.
      1. -1
        5 August 2012 13: 20
        They must tell you, I’m just shocked that you were left without official information from the MoE on the goals of the reform.
  31. mechanic11
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    4 August 2012 23: 08
    So the topic is this — I got a serious injury to the head — they bring me to the emergency room, they mean two of our heifers and a narrow-eyed intern, he sewed me up. (Asked a Korean heifer, mistook Chinese, he spoke poorly in Russian, while he was sitting and he was waiting for the dressing — they brought two boys young — in Kiev there were competitions for fighting without rules or something like that between special forces — the boys talked — two Russians — one ours — a Ukrainian: the conversation was about retirement benefits — I just laughed in my soul. -22..The doctor asked if they had craniocerebral, they were serious, they got a stone when dispersing the riots. Another one didn’t admit to the competition, it’s like he was in the stomach, he didn’t remember very well. I immediately remembered how the soldiers in the spring - Afghans opposed Yanyk, the government took their benefits, and here the guys talk about retirement at 22-25! The guy has a lot of injuries and they talk about retirement (you have to survive before she, with various injuries and injuries, I don’t personally retire -I'm 40 years old) -type special forces do not throw-we are the elite-throw- shut up. mouths to old commandos — young — as now warriors — Afghans. About a Korean — our Russian in Ukrainian asks, it hurts — no — but he — I don't understand Ukrainian — the Russians were taken to the dressing — I say — let the narrow-eyed translate — he rummages in Russian, so heifer hissed at me, he wanted to joke, are you the smartest?
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      5 August 2012 13: 23
      in vain you are so about our boys. they do not have time to become men and retire. 32-35 is the normal retirement age for our military.
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    5 August 2012 16: 34
    Nowadays, 15 years is a long time. Our Prime Minister Azarov let slip — what a mess — to a man of 40 years to retire, and another 20 to pay a pension. I’m not against the boys, I’ve seen enough of my friends, let them serve. -I like it. I didn’t forget the phrase when an Afghan warrior came to the executive committee for an apartment, I did not send you to Afghanistan.
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      15 September 2017 12: 18
      "I did not send you to Afghanistan." And who gave these scumbags the right to dispose of state property, at their discretion? I really saw such freaks in the 90s.
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    25 March 2017 13: 15
    GRU Special Forces was a formidable weapon, fostered by time, experience, the latest achievements of science and technology, formed from experienced instructors and highly qualified specialists, tested in specific operations. The gradual destruction of this unit only says that this is being done clearly intentionally, purposefully and with a wrecking task! Ultimately, this can lead to the fact that the army and navy will be left without eyes and ears in the zone of probable military operations and enemy countries.
    Unjustified redeployment of units deprives them not only of a well-prepared base, but also deprives them of ordinary life, which is important for the mental attitude of warriors.
    Sergey Kozhugetovich, the still deserved experienced GRU veterans are still young and old ... Why not ask them?! ....
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    15 September 2017 12: 09
    Reform (and most importantly change the attitude) of course you need, BUT !!! First you need to know / understand a little bit in the long run for what the SPN was generally created. And then you recall the sad experience of Afghanistan (before entering “reformed” / they ruined the mountain-rifle units / universities) and the holes began to be plugged by the airborne forces and special forces. In Chechnya, in general, the Special Forces have reached the point of insanity as they began to use DSPs, although the GRU and GOU had to "stuff" the territory ahead of time and give accurate intelligence to the main forces, but to pat the "nerves". As a result, by the mid-90s, the pros ran away (who remembers how the payers paid, they will burst into tears). The graduates are raw (those who didn’t immediately go to civilian families or go to a chop), the cat wept for continuity of experience. So remembering South Ossetia, regarding the work of the Special Forces of the GRU, the country's leadership and the generals can sprinkle their heads!