NI analyzes Hitler’s fighter with the concept of a “flying wing”

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At the height of World War II, Germany decided to implement the concept of a flying wing on a jet thrust. This project was called "Hitler's fighter" and was conceived long before stealth technologies were mastered by the world aviation.

One of the main problems faced by German aviation at the beginning of World War II was the remoteness of the areas that had to be bombed from the main air bases of the Third Reich. After all, it was not only the front-line cities of the enemy that were to bomb, but, say, the industrial centers of the Soviet Union or the cities of Great Britain. This problem made the German command and aircraft designers think about maximizing the speed and range of the Luftwaffe fighters. Of course, they thought about increasing stealth, but still the first two characteristics were decisive at that time.



The development of the so-called Hitler fighter decided to analyze in the magazine The National Interest.

The Flying Wing of the Horten Brothers


The brothers Walter and Reimar Horten began their research in the aircraft industry before they entered the Luftwaffe in 1936. Back in 1931, they designed the first No-I glider, trying to embody in it their view of the ideal shape of the aircraft - the concept of a flying wing. Interestingly, if Walter Horten was a professional pilot, then his brother Reimar did not have a formal aviation education, but was a talented designer and aircraft designer.

In 1943, German Goering, who led the entire Third Reich aviation, announced the 3X1000 task: Germany should acquire an aircraft capable of flying at a speed of 1000 km / h, transporting 1000 kilograms of bombs and have enough fuel to fly 1000 kilometers and back. Only such an aircraft, according to Goering, would be able to hit any targets in the British Isles, having had time to complete its tasks before the British aviation could lift the fighter into the air to intercept it.


However, the implementation of the Reichsmarschall plan required the production of new turbojet engines, but the fuel burned very quickly in them, making it impossible to fly into more distant targets. Then the Horten brothers proposed their concept of a “flying wing” - an aircraft without a tail, requiring less engine power and consuming less fuel.

By the way, as the author writes in NI, the design of the "flying wing" was not an absolute innovation: it was used before in gliders and airplanes. In the United States, for example, Northrop presented its project of a highly efficient flying wing bomber during World War II, but it never entered mass production. But the realization of the concept of a flying wing on a jet thrust was an innovation of German designers.

From project to prototype


Having considered the Horten brothers' project, the Luftwaffe command in August 1943 gave the green light to continue research in this direction. After that, the brothers built a No-IX-V1 glider without an engine with long wings made of plywood. In the spring of 1944, his successful tests were carried out. Goering, whose mind was seized by the idea to implement the projects of the Horten brothers, provided the project with comprehensive support.

Soon, work began on a second aircraft, and due to delays in the creation of the BMW-003 turbojet engines, it was decided to install Jumo-004 on it. In the early summer of 1944, the Reichsministery of Aviation signed a contract for the manufacture of 7 experimental and 20 pre-production aircraft of this design.

February 2, 1945 was the first test flight of a new aircraft. The machine showed good results and even won in a training aerial battle Me 262 fighter jet equipped with the same Jumo 004 engines. Hermann Goering approved the production of 40 aircraft with a flying wing, which received the designation Ho 229 or Go 229. On March 12, 1945, the Reichswine Ministry of Aviation held special meeting. Goering included Go 229 in the urgent program, but failed to complete work on the aircraft and put it into mass production.


On April 14, 1945, parts of the 8th Corps of the 3rd US Army broke into the city of Friedrichrod in Thuringia, where the factory was located, where the production of new aircraft was supposed to be arranged. The US military found only parts of prototype aircraft. The single most comprehensive prototype aircraft was flown to the United States. Today, it is located at the Udvar-Hazy Center for the United States Air and Space Museum in Chantilly, Virginia.

German aircraft that could become formidable weapons The Third Reich in the struggle against the USSR, the USA and Great Britain did not manage to enter mass production. However, according to experts, he was not ready to start production: the designers did not have time to complete the process of its development. By the spring of 1945, the Luftwaffe had only a "raw" project, which needed further development.
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  1. +9
    11 May 2020 11: 12
    looks sipati
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. +8
        11 May 2020 11: 28
        The Soviet aircraft designer Kalinin back in the 30s worked on a triangular-shaped plane after his giant K-7 wing-plane, which crashed during tests. But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.
        https://topwar.ru/69711-sudba-konstruktora.html
        1. -10
          11 May 2020 11: 36
          Quote: Thrall
          The Soviet aircraft designer Kalinin back in the 30s worked on a triangular-shaped plane after his giant K-7 wing-plane, which crashed during tests. But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.

          Maybe for the better, it was all too expensive, for industry and the military-industrial complex of the time in the USSR!
          1. +17
            11 May 2020 12: 11
            Quote: Birch
            Maybe for the better
            Yes, yes, yes, especially the execution of the designer. This is an incredibly useful case for the country (it would have been if they shot the criminals who signed his death sentence at the "trial", which, judging by the archival documents, lasted as much as 10 minutes!) By the way, Sikorsky twice called Kalinin in the United States. He understood that such people are rare and valuable. It is a pity that the dumb killers of the designer, criminals who themselves are not even worthy of death, did not know this simple truth. But then Kalinin did not immigrate to America, he stayed to work in his homeland ...
            1. +3
              11 May 2020 12: 51
              I don’t know about Kalinin. Who is what he was doing.
              The designers of those years nobly washed each other with slops. Including Korolev.
              How did investigators dig into these slops? Someone to the wall ...
              1. +6
                11 May 2020 13: 28
                Quote: Angelo Provolone
                The designers of those years nobly washed each other with slops. Including Korolev.
                How did investigators dig into these slops? Someone to the wall ...
                Because the designer is also people, not perfect demigods who have descended from heaven ... This is the first. And secondly. This is a matter of quality management and organization, the quality of the system itself. Investigators and should not have delved into slops! There are always and will be conflicts between participants. With a high-quality management system, the task of a competent leader is to organize work so that everyone can perform their work efficiently in the name of the common good, and if necessary, resolve conflicts (including personal ones) between the participants (and there are, were and will be!) As quickly as possible and high quality. And while still remaining a Man. And so that all kinds of denunciations reach the court (real, objective, and not ten minutes, as in the case of Kalinin) only if there was a real crime. And this, in a good way, should be everywhere - from the grocery collective on the outskirts of the village, to the country in particular. In the country for sure.

                And if, because of denunciations (usually false ones) or simply failures, people break their destinies, then this is no good (in fact, there is a more harsh and obscene expression). Korolev was lucky, he was arrested, his jaw was broken, but he was not shot. But Kalinin is not ...
        2. 0
          11 May 2020 13: 14
          The Soviet aircraft designer Kalinin back in the 30s worked on a triangular-shaped plane after his giant K-7 wing-plane, which crashed during tests. But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.
          https://topwar.ru/69711-sudba-konstruktora.html

          In fact, Kalinin was a technically illiterate adventurer. And no more.
        3. -5
          11 May 2020 19: 58
          Quote: Thrall
          But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.

          So they shot for the case, under Stalin there were no mistakes, only the guilty were consumed
          1. 0
            12 May 2020 00: 14
            And why then was the first general commissar of state security sent to the "Tukhachevsky headquarters"? laughing And they removed and put the first minister of GB? Everything - precisely under Stalin, ChSH. laughing
            1. Alf
              0
              12 May 2020 19: 22
              Quote: Zementbomber
              And why then was the first general commissar of state security sent to the "Tukhachevsky headquarters"? laughing And they removed and put the first minister of GB? Everything - precisely under Stalin, ChSH. laughing

              Bushkov. Throne of Ice + Red Monarch.
              1. 0
                13 May 2020 08: 35
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бушков,_Александр_Александрович
                IT - as an AI ?? belay belay
                1. Alf
                  0
                  13 May 2020 19: 08
                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бушков,_Александр_Александрович
                  IT - as an AI ?? belay belay

                  FACTS in his books can you refute?
                  1. 0
                    14 September 2020 10: 14
                    Give a specific fact or facts indicating the source from which Bushkov got them - "then we'll talk." (C)
    2. +2
      11 May 2020 11: 52
      Quote: Barmaleyka
      looks sipati

      Good engineers, and worked for global evil ...

      and after WWII, the career of designers did not work out.

      but lived for 80 years ...
  2. +3
    11 May 2020 11: 17
    Rather, a high-speed bomber. And about stealth it is somehow doubtful.
    1. +4
      11 May 2020 11: 21
      There was no talk about stealth in the article, so don’t hesitate hi
      1. 0
        11 May 2020 11: 59
        Maxim, read the article (s) CAREFULLY. "Of course, they thought about increasing secrecy, but still the first two characteristics were decisive at that time."
        1. +2
          11 May 2020 12: 02
          I think that the author of the article on stealth had something else, but not the notorious stealth, which appeared only in the 21st century! What ,, stealth, an airplane made of wood request
          1. +2
            11 May 2020 13: 07
            There were quite specific technical solutions to significantly reduce radar and infrared visibility. In aviation historical literature, they have been described in sufficient detail for more than a dozen years.
            1. Alf
              -1
              11 May 2020 23: 16
              Quote: Zementbomber
              IR visibility.

              What is this for? Was there already a missile with infrared seeker? Or thermal imagers? This tale of invisibility was invented only later, many years later.
              1. +2
                11 May 2020 23: 25
                T.N. "heat direction finding installations" appeared in the BO and strategic air defense systems even before WWII. Well, since already at the end of 1944 in the air defense of the Reich they were more than successfully tested in real combat conditions of the Wasserfall missile defense system with the IC GOS Hamburg - the Germans quite reasonably expected that the Western Allies might also have (or soon will appear) such uberdevisin.
                1. Alf
                  0
                  11 May 2020 23: 27
                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  Well, since already at the end of 1944 in the air defense of the Reich they were more than successfully tested in real combat conditions of the Wasserfall missile defense system with the IC GOS Hamburg

                  And did the allies notice these innovations?
                  1. +1
                    11 May 2020 23: 36
                    The use of missiles by the Germans? I do not know. They could easily have not noticed. SAM launches were sporadic, across large TSB formations and at night. During such raids, the proportion of aircraft "lost for unknown reasons" was tens of percent of the total losses.
                    And ground-based heat detection installations were well known.
          2. +1
            11 May 2020 13: 14
            1. Stealth technology - the technique and manufacturing technology of aircraft, warships and missiles in order to reduce their visibility (T, E HIDDENITY) in radar, infrared and other areas of the detection spectrum.
            It is unlikely that the author meant the time of discovery, these are different things. This factor did not play a role at this speed.
            2. Tell me where the author indicated that the plane is made of wood.
            By the way, won't you deny that plywood is a "composite material" ?:
            1. +2
              11 May 2020 15: 00
              Actually, in a number of articles on the history and development of aviation, the No-229 is "positioned" as the first "intuitive" attempt to create a stealth aircraft! Measures were taken to reduce the aircraft's radar and infrared signature. The engines were on top ... the nozzles too. By the way, there are also claims that the wooden fuselage is made of a kind of "composite material" ... that is, it was two-layer ... between the layers there was a "layer" with the inclusion of substances that contribute to the absorption of radio radiation. Alas, I don't remember exactly ... most likely, I was critical of such a statement, but I think you can find an article on the Internet where the author defends the "stealth" version of No-229 ...
              1. +2
                12 May 2020 00: 32
                between the layers there was an "interlayer" with the inclusion of substances that contribute to the absorption of radio emission

                This "interlayer" was a 12 mm layer of a mixture of crushed charcoal and sawdust impregnated with aviation glue.
        2. +2
          11 May 2020 13: 08
          Maxim, read the article (s) CAREFULLY. "Of course, they thought about increasing secrecy, but still the first two characteristics were decisive at that time."

          In fact, Nicholas - there were quite specific technical solutions for a significant reduction in radar and infrared visibility. In aviation historical literature, they have been described in sufficient detail for more than a dozen years.
  3. +11
    11 May 2020 11: 20
    The Flying Wing of the Horten Go.229 Brothers
    Go.229 - the first turbojet aircraft - “flying wing”. The main goal of the designers was to create an aircraft with minimal resistance. As a result, Go.229 did not have a fuselage as such. The thickness of the center section was sufficient to accommodate the pilot and engine. Vertical plumage was absent. Management of the course was carried out by spoilers mounted on the wing.

    TTX (claimed and partially implemented)
    crew - 1 person .;
    engines - 2 × Jumo-004B, 900 kg;
    wing span - 16,8 m;
    length - 7,2 m;
    height - 2,6 m;
    wing area - 52,8 m²;
    Starting weight - 6900 kg;
    empty weight - 4844 kg;
    maximum take-off weight - 8100 kg;
    maximum speed - 1000 km / h;
    combat load - 1000 kg;
    combat radius of action - about 1000 km;
    withstand overloads - 7 g;
    armament - 4 x Mk.108 or 2 x Mk.103

    1 March 1944 year in Gottingen the first flight took place. In total, there were 6 aircraft at various stages of production, and units for 20 machines were ordered for the needs of the Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. Two planes rose into the air.
    On April 14, 1945, units of the 8th Corps of the 3rd US Army occupied the factory in Friedrichrod. One of the aircraft was dismantled and transported to the United States. At the beginning of 2015, this copy is undergoing restoration.
    1. +9
      11 May 2020 11: 47
      Horten Go.229 Exclusive American Photos


      1. +2
        11 May 2020 13: 11
        With such a thick wing and 1000 km / h? And with unfinished engines? And with a load of 1000 kg? It is very good that they took up him. Lots of wasted money. They didn’t want, but brought our Victory closer.
        1. +1
          11 May 2020 23: 29
          With such a thick wing and 1000 km / h?

          Also the thick-winged British strategist "Volcano" V.2 - in general he went out to supersonic!
    2. +1
      11 May 2020 13: 13
      Only his combat load was up to 2000 kg. (not counting side-mounted guns) And the design speed is only 945 km / h. But whether he would have reached it - it is not known - on the max modes "Horton-Gotha" - not flew - did not have time.
  4. -1
    11 May 2020 11: 42
    As they say, why did the USSR defeat fascist Germany?
    It was for what and was what! Simplicity, reliability and firepower of a weapon ..
    And now we are trying to stick to this chip of our weapons. hi Weapons is an application to the most important MILITARY SPIRIT SOLDIER!
  5. 0
    11 May 2020 12: 04
    Another legend about a white bull
    people and you all "learned a little ..."! (or just a little?)
  6. +7
    11 May 2020 12: 24
    To be objective, there were plenty of "eggheads" in Germany at that time, and not only in aircraft construction. Therefore, the Americans were happy to warm up excellent engineers and rocket scientists and used their services for a long time.
    1. +3
      11 May 2020 13: 01
      And how many of them worked in the USSR! Near Sochi there was a whole comfortable sharazhka town for
      German specialists. They were paid high salaries.
      All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.
      Then they were released in the GDR, having paid bonuses.
      1. -4
        11 May 2020 13: 06
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And how many of them worked in the USSR! Near Sochi there was a whole comfortable sharazhka town for
        German specialists. They were paid high salaries.
        All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.
        Then they were released in the GDR, having paid bonuses.

        And how many Jews worked for Nazi Germany? And who financed them from your ocean ..
        Want to talk about this "our furry friends from Israel"?
        You are a sergeant of the Central House of Artists, do you take on too much here to teach us in Russia?
        1. 0
          11 May 2020 18: 20
          wander along the path of halt and prohvessora?
      2. +3
        11 May 2020 13: 21
        voyaka uh
        And how many of them worked in the USSR!
        They worked and nobody hides it. But then let's talk to the end - how many other specialists in reconnaissance, sabotage, mass destruction of the population after the end of the war worked for the Anglo-Saxons in their profile? Therefore, I do not understand why you reacted so much to my post?
        1. +1
          11 May 2020 13: 22
          I did not refute your post - everything is correct in it, but supplemented it. drinks
          1. +3
            11 May 2020 13: 25
            I understood that you focused exclusively on the fact that I mentioned Americans hi
      3. +6
        11 May 2020 13: 25
        Quote: voyaka uh
        All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.

        No need to lie - we have serial domestic radars already issued in Finnish:
        The first serial radar stations were installed along the Soviet-Finnish border near Leningrad and were used in the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940.

        As for electronics, we bought components from the Americans before the war, but that we ourselves could not do.
        1. +3
          11 May 2020 13: 29
          There were Soviet, but during the war, English and German radar technology
          went far ahead. Radars were massively mounted on planes and ships.
          Radars have become compact. For this reason, German developments were very
          valuable.
          1. 0
            11 May 2020 15: 46
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There were Soviet, but during the war, English and German radar technology
            went far ahead. Radars were massively mounted on planes and ships.
            Radars have become compact. For this reason, German developments were very
            valuable.

            tryndet is not necessary, aircraft gneiss-1 - 41years, gneiss-2 - 42years
            1. Alf
              0
              11 May 2020 23: 08
              Quote: poquello
              gneiss-1 aircraft - 41years, gneiss-2 - 42years

              Get ahead of me ...
          2. +3
            11 May 2020 17: 40
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There were Soviet, but during the war, English and German radar technology
            went far ahead.

            If the Germans fought on the territory of England, and not ours, then the British would have generally lost the war, and we had gone far ahead in radio technology.

            Quote: voyaka uh
            For this reason, German developments were very
            valuable.

            This is no one denies - German military equipment was better in many respects than the technology of our allies. Not for nothing that the Americans wagoned technical documentation and training films from Germany after the war.
            1. 0
              12 May 2020 00: 07
              Quote: ccsr
              Not for nothing that the Americans wagoned technical documentation and training films from Germany after the war.

              one small inaccuracy, they were taken out by their wagons not after the war but during the war, that is, we can say rat-dogs, for German intellectual property should have been common
              1. +1
                12 May 2020 11: 06
                Quote: poquello
                they didn’t take them out with wagons during the war, but during the war, that is, we can say they ratted, because German intellectual property should have been common

                I can’t say anything about this, but I knew well the person who just participated in our commission for evaluating the enterprises of the radio industry in Germany. And he told me how exactly the technical documentation was exported by the Americans, and we were completely left with finished goods warehouses, believing that they did not need it. because they have their own production established.
        2. +1
          11 May 2020 13: 34
          If I remember correctly, it was the Germans who developed the entire cycle of isotope cleaning using the gas diffusion method for the USSR, and the uranium bomb is also their business. But this was already in the early 50s, and then it was not very relevant at that time.
          1. 0
            12 May 2020 00: 11
            Quote: AllBiBek
            If I remember correctly, it was the Germans who developed the entire cycle of isotope cleaning using the gas diffusion method for the USSR, and the uranium bomb is also their business. But this was already in the early 50s, and then it was not very relevant at that time.

            in, if I understand correctly, the Germans invented the vigorous bonbu rather than the United States, the United States stupidly stole it from the rest of the Allies
            1. +2
              12 May 2020 00: 17
              Do you live in the 21st century, or where?

              On a military-themed resource, you don’t even know how the uranium bomb differs from the plutonium one, and the cannon scheme for detonating the nucleus from implosive ...

              A uranium bomb fell on Hiroshima. It worked dirty, some percent of the isotope reacted, the rest fell on the city with radioactive dust.

              On Nagasaki - plutonium. This one worked cleaner, and the Americans concentrated on it.

              The Rosenberg Union was handed over materials precisely on plutonium charges.

              France became the third country in the world that itself mastered the entire production cycle, but they did not have a reactor, but through gas diffusion they received a uranium charge. After a couple of years, the USSR received it through German scientists, already armed with ready-made atomic bombs based on plutonium.
              1. -2
                12 May 2020 00: 22
                Quote: AllBiBek
                Do you live in the 21st century, or where?

                On a military-themed resource, you don’t even know how the uranium bomb differs from the plutonium one, and the cannon scheme for detonating the nucleus from implosive ...

                in in, what for the USSR one more but about the Germans it must be said
                1. +1
                  12 May 2020 00: 28
                  Well, what the hell? Schaub Bulo.

                  At worst, you can slowly give technology to a country that has decided to choose a communist path of development, fortunately, you can do without a reactor there. Chore, not fast, but - it’s possible, and the charge storage period is longer.

                  There are still disputes over where Israel came from; they quietly bought from the French, or the USSR warmed up. In Israel, they are still uranium.
                  1. 0
                    12 May 2020 00: 38
                    Quote: AllBiBek
                    At worst, you can slowly give technology to a country that has decided to choose a communist path of development, fortunately, you can do without a reactor there. Chore, not fast, but - it’s possible, and the charge storage period is longer.

                    There are still disputes over where Israel came from; they quietly bought from the French, or the USSR warmed up. In Israel, they are still uranium.

                    somehow a bit too much effort for such a small task
                    Quote: AllBiBek
                    Well, what the hell? Schaub Bulo.

                    hydrogen bulo in 4 years
                  2. +1
                    13 May 2020 10: 08
                    Edward Teller visited Israel in the early 50s.
      4. 0
        11 May 2020 15: 42
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And how many of them worked in the USSR! Near Sochi there was a whole comfortable sharazhka town for
        German specialists. They were paid high salaries.
        All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.
        Then they were released in the GDR, having paid bonuses.

        tryndet is not necessary, the first radar station of the USSR is 34 years in service for 39 years
      5. KCA
        0
        13 May 2020 09: 14
        Ah, and I and my parents lived in a house that Germans captured was built according to the German project, the Germans built several streets, and even cottages for researchers, and even the JINR building, at DMZ, formerly factory No. 30, the Germans also worked, and what, it was not necessary? It was necessary to understand and forgive? I don’t know how prisoners of war lived, but engineers and scientists lived like good PPCs, they wrote many memories, in Germany, even in the US occupation zone, they couldn’t even dream of such benefits
  7. +3
    11 May 2020 12: 33
    Analyzing the enormous losses of our troops at the final stage of the war and the speed of their advance to the lair, which was arranged by the Supreme Commander, now there is no doubt that he is right. Any delay threatened to use a new type of weapon and atomic bomb against our troops. Losses from which would be many times more. And the question with the winner would be in question.
    1. +1
      11 May 2020 13: 12
      The Reich did not know about such weapons, and the "successes" in the "solution of the Jewish question" in a known way prevented them from creating nuclear weapons.
    2. +2
      11 May 2020 13: 18
      Just Nonsense Nonsense. At the beginning of 1945, the Reich had no "fundamentally new weapon" capable of turning the tide of the war. And even if it had lasted until 1946, let's say, it would not have appeared either.
  8. -4
    11 May 2020 12: 38
    Dumb Hitler, it was necessary not to attack the USSR then it would have ruled this geyropai, the USA would have been fucked in full, and the USSR would have stood. but yes, yes, yes, no.
    1. 0
      11 May 2020 13: 12
      I hope this is post-post-meta-irony
    2. +1
      11 May 2020 13: 21
      He was quite not stupid. The war between the Reich and the USSR was inevitable. The Reich's only chance was to take control of a strategic initiative. And Adik took this chance. But he made a series of AshShibok in the process - and lost.
  9. -1
    11 May 2020 12: 41
    As a concept - not bad. But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.
    1. +2
      11 May 2020 13: 24
      On the contrary - these very "plywood, charcoal, sawdust and glue" - were the "stealth technology of 1945".
    2. Alf
      0
      11 May 2020 23: 09
      Quote: Pavel57
      But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.

      Have you heard about Mosquito?
  10. +2
    11 May 2020 12: 42
    Quote: rotmistr60
    To be objective, there were plenty of "eggheads" in Germany at that time, and not only in aircraft construction. Therefore, the Americans were happy to warm up excellent engineers and rocket scientists and used their services for a long time.


    Both in the USA and in the USSR many German engineers and scientists worked. And with a good result.
  11. -1
    11 May 2020 12: 58
    and have enough fuel to fly 1000 kilometers and back. Only such an aircraft, according to Goering, would be able to hit any targets in the British Isles, having had time to complete its tasks before the British aviation could lift the fighter into the air to intercept it.

    What a nonsense. Reichsmarschall Goering really was "not very strong in the sciences." But that with a combat radius of 1000 km - it is impossible to "bomb any object in Great Britain" even having under his control the entire coast of France, Belgium and the Netherlands - even he could not help but understand.
  12. +3
    11 May 2020 13: 00
    They would also have analyzed the Leonardo da Vinci helicopter.
    1. +2
      11 May 2020 13: 17
      And his parachute, and a breathing tube for walking under water. (Between the years of life of Leonardo and Torricelli for more than 150 years, I’m talking about the phone). It is good that he did not test his inventions, humanity would lose a brilliant artist.
      1. -2
        11 May 2020 15: 00
        By the way, I read it back in the 80s, I don't remember where, either in Wings of the Motherland or Science and Life - according to Leonardo's drawings, they made a type of hang-glider, the creators' eyes went up to the forehead, the carrying capacity was about 10 tons.
        1. +2
          11 May 2020 15: 23
          Excuse me, but it was April Fools' Day. Leonardo’s drawings have nothing more to do with reality than drawings of interplanetary ships of the pioneer group of aircraft modellers. Leonardo’s fame as an inventor arose suddenly during Italy’s struggle for independence (second half of the XNUMXth century), when Italians urgently needed engineering genius in the past.
  13. -2
    11 May 2020 13: 05
    By the spring of 1945, the Luftwaffe had only a "raw" project, which needed further development.

    OMG what nonsense! Go.229 has already flown. What, nafig, is "just a" raw project "?" National Interest "- breaks the next bottom of the bottom ...
    1. +2
      11 May 2020 13: 37
      He flew like that crocodile from a joke; short, short, and short.
      1. 0
        11 May 2020 13: 42
        Exactly? laughing
        PS But yes - more than an hour and a half fly by - it really was not designed.
    2. 0
      11 May 2020 15: 01
      What is it like? - bottom bottom. fellow lol request
      1. +1
        11 May 2020 23: 46
        Well - first, the concept of "bottom" and "breaking through the bottom" appeared. Then - the superlative - "bottom". And a couple of months ago I first heard from a guy of one of our Girls with my Wife - an even more "enhanced" version - [Ze] "broke through the bottom of the bottom." Young people - she is - have always been inventive. good laughing
  14. +2
    11 May 2020 13: 35
    And what to argue. The idea is not new .. It was developed almost from the 20th.
    From the pluses - possible profitability. Of the minuses - poor handling.
    It seems for this, F-117 - similar in scheme, had the nickname "flying pianos".
    1. Alf
      +1
      11 May 2020 23: 12
      Quote: Max1995
      It seems for this, F-117 - similar in scheme, had the nickname "flying pianos".

      The 229th looks more like the B-2, but here's the tsimes-B-2 that flies on computers, only in this way its stability is ensured, and then there were no computers ...
      1. 0
        11 May 2020 23: 50
        Yes,
        But I heard about the piano about the F-117. He was the first. He was not quite a wing, but similar. And they quickly abandoned it
      2. 0
        11 May 2020 23: 54
        The 229th looks more like the B-2, but here's the tsimes-B-2 that flies on computers, only in this way its stability is ensured, and then there were no computers ...

        Well, then - really flying "flying wings" - this is even in the USSR (in fact - even the RSFSR) in the early 1920s. Cheranovsky with his WHICH "Parabolas". And he was far away not the first to apply such a scheme.
        There is a whole very suitable capital work specifically on this topic:
        http://padaread.com/?book=43393
      3. +1
        12 May 2020 00: 07
        The 229th is more like the B-2

        In development of Go.229 - the Germans had a project of a heavy intercontinental (!!) strategist Horton Ho.18. The specified deadline for submission for flight is the end of 1946.
        1. Alf
          0
          12 May 2020 00: 11
          Quote: Zementbomber
          The 229th is more like the B-2

          In development of Go.229 - the Germans had a project of a heavy intercontinental (!!) strategist Horton Ho.18. The specified deadline for submission for flight is the end of 1946.

          They had these projects, as many as two books.


          There remains a "trifle" - to make it all fly, and if you remember how the Germans loved with only one XE-177 ...
          1. +1
            12 May 2020 00: 23
            He.177 - was not the only "epic file" RLM (by the way - it was still possible to bring it and it became one of the best WWII heavy bombers). So what does that prove?
            The Americans, too, gave out and financed "peculiar" ideas in batches then. And an eight-engine (!!) jet carrier-based fighter, and a heavy escort jet fighter with a battery of 20 (!!) machine guns, and a jet "flying wing" for ram attacks. (the last two items - they even flew) And the missile defense system against "V-2". and so on, etc., etc.
            1. Alf
              0
              12 May 2020 18: 28
              Quote: Zementbomber
              by the way - he managed to bring it all the same

              Remember the numbers of those who took off and returned ... The nickname "flying lighter" still needs to be earned. The best WWII strategist is the B-29.
              1. 0
                13 May 2020 08: 45
                No it was said "best". It was said "one of the best. "The difference, however. And by the middle of 1943 - No.177" lighter "still ceased to be.
  15. +3
    11 May 2020 13: 38
    according to experts, he was not ready for launch into production: the designers did not have time to complete the process of its development.

    February 2, 1945 was the first test flight of a new aircraft. The car showed good results and even won in a training aerial battle Me 262 fighter jet equipped with the same Jumo 004 engines.

    What to believe?
    How could an undeveloped aircraft defeat? what
    1. -1
      11 May 2020 15: 28
      Could not win, because there was no flying sample. As for the victory over Me-262 - sheer nonsense.
      1. +1
        11 May 2020 23: 59
        But as request Go.229v2 could "crash after two hours flight test"- if" there was no flying sample "? laughing
  16. +1
    11 May 2020 19: 48
    Interestingly, this is the illiteracy of the translation or the author?
  17. +2
    11 May 2020 23: 01
    If the aircraft was able to defeat the serial Me-262 in aerial combat, then it was, at least, no worse than him ... and less raw than him.
  18. 0
    12 May 2020 10: 39
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Pavel57
    But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.

    Have you heard about Mosquito?

    And I heard about Po-2. But plywood after the war was not used in a serious and even whiter jet aircraft. And the successor to Mosquito-Hornet was all-metal.
    1. Alf
      0
      12 May 2020 19: 25
      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: Alf
      Quote: Pavel57
      But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.

      Have you heard about Mosquito?

      And I heard about Po-2. But plywood after the war was not used in a serious and even whiter jet aircraft. And the successor to Mosquito-Hornet was all-metal.

      It's right. But until 1949, when jet interceptors appeared in the USSR and the USA, Mossi was out of competition.
      1. 0
        12 May 2020 21: 02
        Mosquito was a strike aircraft to a greater extent. And Spita and Griffon did an excellent job of intercepting.
        1. Alf
          0
          12 May 2020 21: 14
          Quote: Pavel57
          Mosquito was a strike aircraft to a greater extent.

          In this case, I mean Mosquito Scout. It is difficult to organize the interception of an aircraft going on 8-9 thousand at 650-670 km / h.
          1. 0
            12 May 2020 22: 51
            A scout is more like a niche plane, again Spita and Griffon did a great job.
            1. Alf
              0
              13 May 2020 19: 11
              Quote: Pavel57
              A scout is more like a niche plane, again Spita and Griffon did a great job.

              Of course, they managed, especially in range ...
              1. 0
                13 May 2020 19: 44
                And higher altitude, and speed.