NI analyzes Hitler’s fighter with the concept of a “flying wing”


At the height of World War II, Germany decided to implement the concept of a flying wing on a jet thrust. This project was called "Hitler's fighter" and was conceived long before stealth technologies were mastered by the world aviation.


One of the main problems faced by German aviation at the beginning of World War II was the remoteness of the areas that had to be bombed from the main air bases of the Third Reich. After all, it was not only the front-line cities of the enemy that were to bomb, but, say, the industrial centers of the Soviet Union or the cities of Great Britain. This problem made the German command and aircraft designers think about maximizing the speed and range of the Luftwaffe fighters. Of course, they thought about increasing stealth, but still the first two characteristics were decisive at that time.

The development of the so-called Hitler fighter decided to analyze in the magazine The National Interest.

The Flying Wing of the Horten Brothers


The brothers Walter and Reimar Horten began their research in the aircraft industry before they entered the Luftwaffe in 1936. Back in 1931, they designed the first No-I glider, trying to embody in it their view of the ideal shape of the aircraft - the concept of a flying wing. Interestingly, if Walter Horten was a professional pilot, then his brother Reimar did not have a formal aviation education, but was a talented designer and aircraft designer.

In 1943, German Goering, who led the entire Third Reich aviation, announced the 3X1000 task: Germany should acquire an aircraft capable of flying at a speed of 1000 km / h, transporting 1000 kilograms of bombs and have enough fuel to fly 1000 kilometers and back. Only such an aircraft, according to Goering, would be able to hit any targets in the British Isles, having had time to complete its tasks before the British aviation could lift the fighter into the air to intercept it.


However, the implementation of the Reichsmarschall plan required the production of new turbojet engines, but the fuel burned very quickly in them, making it impossible to fly into more distant targets. Then the Horten brothers proposed their concept of a “flying wing” - an aircraft without a tail, requiring less engine power and consuming less fuel.

By the way, as the author writes in NI, the design of the "flying wing" was not an absolute innovation: it was used before in gliders and airplanes. In the United States, for example, Northrop presented its project of a highly efficient flying wing bomber during World War II, but it never entered mass production. But the realization of the concept of a flying wing on a jet thrust was an innovation of German designers.

From project to prototype


Having considered the Horten brothers' project, the Luftwaffe command in August 1943 gave the green light to continue research in this direction. After that, the brothers built a No-IX-V1 glider without an engine with long wings made of plywood. In the spring of 1944, his successful tests were carried out. Goering, whose mind was seized by the idea to implement the projects of the Horten brothers, provided the project with comprehensive support.

Soon, work began on a second aircraft, and due to delays in the creation of the BMW-003 turbojet engines, it was decided to install Jumo-004 on it. In the early summer of 1944, the Reichsministery of Aviation signed a contract for the manufacture of 7 experimental and 20 pre-production aircraft of this design.

February 2, 1945 was the first test flight of a new aircraft. The machine showed good results and even won in a training aerial battle Me 262 fighter jet equipped with the same Jumo 004 engines. Hermann Goering approved the production of 40 aircraft with a flying wing, which received the designation Ho 229 or Go 229. On March 12, 1945, the Reichswine Ministry of Aviation held special meeting. Goering included Go 229 in the urgent program, but failed to complete work on the aircraft and put it into mass production.


On April 14, 1945, parts of the 8th Corps of the 3rd US Army broke into the city of Friedrichrod in Thuringia, where the factory was located, where the production of new aircraft was supposed to be arranged. The US military found only parts of prototype aircraft. The single most comprehensive prototype aircraft was flown to the United States. Today, it is located at the Udvar-Hazy Center for the United States Air and Space Museum in Chantilly, Virginia.

German aircraft that could become formidable weapons The Third Reich in the struggle against the USSR, the USA and Great Britain did not manage to enter mass production. However, according to experts, he was not ready to start production: the designers did not have time to complete the process of its development. By the spring of 1945, the Luftwaffe had only a "raw" project, which needed further development.
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  1. Barmaleyka 11 May 2020 11: 12 New
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    looks sipati
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      1. Thrall 11 May 2020 11: 28 New
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        The Soviet aircraft designer Kalinin back in the 30s worked on a triangular-shaped plane after his giant K-7 wing-plane, which crashed during tests. But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.
        https://topwar.ru/69711-sudba-konstruktora.html
        1. Birch 11 May 2020 11: 36 New
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          Quote: Thrall
          The Soviet aircraft designer Kalinin back in the 30s worked on a triangular-shaped plane after his giant K-7 wing-plane, which crashed during tests. But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.

          Maybe for the better, it was all too expensive, for industry and the military-industrial complex of the time in the USSR!
          1. Infinity 11 May 2020 12: 11 New
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            Quote: Birch
            Maybe for the better
            Yes, yes, yes, especially the execution of the designer. This is an incredibly useful thing for the country (it would be if the criminals were executed who signed him a death sentence at the “court”, which, judging by the archival documents, lasted as much as 10 minutes!) By the way, Sikorsky twice called Kalinin to the USA. He understood that such people were rare and valuable. It is a pity that the dumb assassins of the designer, criminals who themselves are not even worthy of death, did not know this simple truth. But then Kalinin did not immigrate to America, he remained to work in his homeland ...
            1. Angelo Provolone 11 May 2020 12: 51 New
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              I don’t know about Kalinin. Who is what he was doing.
              The designers of those years nobly washed each other with slops. Including Korolev.
              How did investigators dig into these slops? Someone to the wall ...
              1. Infinity 11 May 2020 13: 28 New
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                Quote: Angelo Provolone
                The designers of those years nobly washed each other with slops. Including Korolev.
                How did investigators dig into these slops? Someone to the wall ...
                Because the designer is also people, not perfect demigods who have descended from heaven ... This is the first. And secondly. This is a matter of quality management and organization, the quality of the system itself. Investigators and should not have delved into slops! There are always and will be conflicts between participants. With a high-quality management system, the task of a competent leader is to organize work so that everyone can perform their work efficiently in the name of the common good, and if necessary, resolve conflicts (including personal ones) between the participants (and there are, were and will be!) As quickly as possible and high quality. And while still remaining a Man. And so that all kinds of denunciations reach the court (real, objective, and not ten minutes, as in the case of Kalinin) only if there was a real crime. And this, in a good way, should be everywhere - from the grocery collective on the outskirts of the village, to the country in particular. In the country for sure.

                And if, because of denunciations (usually false ones) or simply failures, people break their destinies, then this is no good (in fact, there is a more harsh and obscene expression). Korolev was lucky, he was arrested, his jaw was broken, but he was not shot. But Kalinin is not ...
        2. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 14 New
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          The Soviet aircraft designer Kalinin back in the 30s worked on a triangular-shaped plane after his giant K-7 wing-plane, which crashed during tests. But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.
          https://topwar.ru/69711-sudba-konstruktora.html

          In fact, Kalinin was a technically illiterate adventurer. And no more.
        3. RUSS 11 May 2020 19: 58 New
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          Quote: Thrall
          But the intrigues of Tupolev, and then the denunciation and execution in 1938 prevented him from carrying out his plan.

          So they shot for the case, under Stalin there were no mistakes, only the guilty were consumed
          1. Zementbomber 12 May 2020 00: 14 New
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            And why then was sent to the "headquarters of Tukhachevsky" the first general commissioner of state security? laughing And they removed and put the first minister of GB? Everything - precisely under Stalin, ChSH. laughing
            1. Alf
              Alf 12 May 2020 19: 22 New
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              Quote: Zementbomber
              And why then was sent to the "headquarters of Tukhachevsky" the first general commissioner of state security? laughing And they removed and put the first minister of GB? Everything - precisely under Stalin, ChSH. laughing

              Bushkov. Throne of Ice + Red Monarch.
              1. Zementbomber 13 May 2020 08: 35 New
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                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бушков,_Александр_Александрович
                IT - as an AI ?? belay belay
                1. Alf
                  Alf 13 May 2020 19: 08 New
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                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бушков,_Александр_Александрович
                  IT - as an AI ?? belay belay

                  FACTS in his books can you refute?
    2. Olgovich 11 May 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      looks sipati

      Good engineers, and worked for global evil ...

      and after WWII, the career of designers did not work out.

      but lived for 80 years ...
  2. knn54 11 May 2020 11: 17 New
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    Rather, a high-speed bomber. And about stealth it is somehow doubtful.
    1. The popuas 11 May 2020 11: 21 New
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      There was no talk about stealth in the article, so don’t hesitate hi
      1. knn54 11 May 2020 11: 59 New
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        Maxim, read the article (s) ATTENTIVELY ". Of course, we thought about increasing secrecy, but nevertheless the first two characteristics were decisive at that time."
        1. The popuas 11 May 2020 12: 02 New
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          I think that the author of the article on stealth had something else, but not the notorious stealth, which appeared only in the 21st century! What ,, stealth, an airplane made of wood request
          1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 07 New
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            There were quite specific technical solutions to significantly reduce radar and infrared visibility. In aviation historical literature, they have been described in sufficient detail for more than a dozen years.
            1. Alf
              Alf 11 May 2020 23: 16 New
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              Quote: Zementbomber
              IR visibility.

              What is this for? Was there already a missile with infrared seeker? Or thermal imagers? This tale of invisibility was invented only later, many years later.
              1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 23: 25 New
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                T.N. "heat-finding installations" appeared in the BO system and strategic air defense even before WWII. Well, since already at the end of 1944 in the Reich air defense they were more than successfully tested in real combat conditions of the Wasserfall SAM with the Hamburg ICG - the Germans quite reasonably expected that the Western Allies could also (or will soon have) such uberdevaisin.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 11 May 2020 23: 27 New
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                  Quote: Zementbomber
                  Well, since already at the end of 1944 in the Reich air defense they were more than successfully tested in real combat conditions of the Wasserfall SAM with the Hamburg ICG

                  And did the allies notice these innovations?
                  1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 23: 36 New
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                    German application of missiles? I do not know. They could easily not have noticed. Launches of missiles were single, in large formations TSB and at night. With such raids, the share of aircraft “lost for unknown reasons” was in the tens of% of total losses.
                    And ground-based heat detection installations were well known.
          2. knn54 11 May 2020 13: 14 New
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            1. Stealth technology - the technique and manufacturing technology of aircraft, warships and missiles in order to reduce their visibility (T, E HIDDENITY) in radar, infrared and other areas of the detection spectrum.
            It is unlikely that the author meant the time of discovery, these are different things. This factor did not play a role at this speed.
            2. Tell me where the author indicated that the plane is made of wood.
            By the way, you will not deny that plywood is "composite material" ?:
            1. Nikolaevich I 11 May 2020 15: 00 New
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              In fact, in a series of articles on the history and development of aviation, the No-229 is "positioned" as the first "intuitive" attempt to create a stealth plane! Measures were taken to reduce the radar and infrared visibility of the aircraft. Engines were placed on top ... nozzles too. By the way, there are allegations that the wooden fuselage is made of a kind of “composite material” ... that is, it was two-layer ... there was a “layer” between the layers with the inclusion of substances that contribute to the absorption of radio emission. Alas, I don’t remember exactly ... most likely, I was critical of such a statement, but on the Internet, I think you can find an article where the author defends the "stealth" version of No-229 ...
              1. Zementbomber 12 May 2020 00: 32 New
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                there was a “layer” between the layers with the inclusion of substances that contribute to the absorption of radio emission

                This "layer" was a 12-mm layer of a mixture of crushed charcoal and sawdust, impregnated with aviation glue.
        2. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 08 New
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          Maxim, read the article (s) ATTENTIVELY ". Of course, we thought about increasing secrecy, but nevertheless the first two characteristics were decisive at that time."

          In fact, Nicholas - there were quite specific technical solutions for a significant reduction in radar and infrared visibility. In aviation historical literature, they have been described in sufficient detail for more than a dozen years.
  3. rich 11 May 2020 11: 20 New
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    The Flying Wing of the Horten Go.229 Brothers
    Go.229 - the first turbojet aircraft - “flying wing”. The main goal of the designers was to create an aircraft with minimal resistance. As a result, Go.229 did not have a fuselage as such. The thickness of the center section was sufficient to accommodate the pilot and engine. Vertical plumage was absent. Management of the course was carried out by spoilers mounted on the wing.

    TTX (claimed and partially implemented)
    crew - 1 person .;
    engines - 2 × Jumo-004B, 900 kg;
    wing span - 16,8 m;
    length - 7,2 m;
    height - 2,6 m;
    wing area - 52,8 m²;
    Starting weight - 6900 kg;
    empty weight - 4844 kg;
    maximum take-off weight - 8100 kg;
    maximum speed - 1000 km / h;
    combat load - 1000 kg;
    combat radius of action - about 1000 km;
    withstand overloads - 7 g;
    armament - 4 x Mk.108 or 2 x Mk.103

    1 March 1944 year in Gottingen the first flight took place. In total, there were 6 aircraft at various stages of production, and units for 20 machines were ordered for the needs of the Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. Two planes rose into the air.
    On April 14, 1945, units of the 8th Corps of the 3rd US Army occupied the factory in Friedrichrod. One of the aircraft was dismantled and transported to the United States. At the beginning of 2015, this copy is undergoing restoration.
    1. rich 11 May 2020 11: 47 New
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      Horten Go.229 Exclusive American Photos


      1. Aviator_ 11 May 2020 13: 11 New
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        With such a thick wing and 1000 km / h? And with unfinished engines? And with a load of 1000 kg? It is very good that they took up him. Lots of wasted money. They didn’t want, but brought our Victory closer.
        1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 23: 29 New
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          With such a thick wing and 1000 km / h?

          Also a thick-winged British strategist "Volcano" V.2 - generally came to supersonic!
    2. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 13 New
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      Only the combat load he had was up to 2000 kg. (not counting the gun barrel) And the design speed is only 945 km / h. But whether he would have achieved it - it is not known - in the max modes of Horton-Goth - not flew - did not have time.
  4. Birch 11 May 2020 11: 42 New
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    As they say, why did the USSR defeat fascist Germany?
    It was for what and was what! Simplicity, reliability and firepower of a weapon ..
    And now we are trying to stick to this chip of our weapons. hi Weapons is an application to the most important MILITARY SPIRIT SOLDIER!
  5. mark1 11 May 2020 12: 04 New
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    Another legend about a white bull
    ludii and you all "studied a little ..."! (or just a little?)
  6. rotmistr60 11 May 2020 12: 24 New
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    To be objective, the "eggheads" in Germany at that time were abundant, and not only in the aircraft industry. Therefore, the Americans with pleasure warmed up excellent engineers and rocket launchers and used their services for a long time.
    1. voyaka uh 11 May 2020 13: 01 New
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      And how many of them worked in the USSR! Near Sochi there was a whole comfortable sharazhka town for
      German specialists. They were paid high salaries.
      All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.
      Then they were released in the GDR, having paid bonuses.
      1. Birch 11 May 2020 13: 06 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        And how many of them worked in the USSR! Near Sochi there was a whole comfortable sharazhka town for
        German specialists. They were paid high salaries.
        All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.
        Then they were released in the GDR, having paid bonuses.

        And how many Jews worked for Nazi Germany? And who financed them from your ocean ..
        Want to talk about this "our furry friends from Israel"?
        You are a sergeant of the Central House of Artists, do you take on too much here to teach us in Russia?
        1. Dart 11 May 2020 18: 20 New
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          wander along the path of halt and prohvessora?
      2. rotmistr60 11 May 2020 13: 21 New
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        voyaka uh
        And how many of them worked in the USSR!
        They worked and nobody hides it. But then let's talk to the end - how many other specialists in reconnaissance, sabotage, mass destruction of the population after the end of the war worked for the Anglo-Saxons in their profile? Therefore, I do not understand why you reacted so much to my post?
        1. voyaka uh 11 May 2020 13: 22 New
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          I did not refute your post - everything is correct in it, but supplemented it. drinks
          1. rotmistr60 11 May 2020 13: 25 New
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            I understood that you focused exclusively on the fact that I mentioned Americans hi
      3. ccsr 11 May 2020 13: 25 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.

        No need to lie - we have serial domestic radars already issued in Finnish:
        The first serial radar stations were installed along the Soviet-Finnish border near Leningrad and were used in the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940.

        As for electronics, we bought components from the Americans before the war, but that we ourselves could not do.
        1. voyaka uh 11 May 2020 13: 29 New
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          There were Soviet, but during the war, English and German radar technology
          went far ahead. Radars were massively mounted on planes and ships.
          Radars have become compact. For this reason, German developments were very
          valuable.
          1. poquello 11 May 2020 15: 46 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            There were Soviet, but during the war, English and German radar technology
            went far ahead. Radars were massively mounted on planes and ships.
            Radars have become compact. For this reason, German developments were very
            valuable.

            tryndet is not necessary, aircraft gneiss-1 - 41years, gneiss-2 - 42years
            1. Alf
              Alf 11 May 2020 23: 08 New
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              Quote: poquello
              gneiss-1 aircraft - 41years, gneiss-2 - 42years

              Get ahead of me ...
          2. ccsr 11 May 2020 17: 40 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            There were Soviet, but during the war, English and German radar technology
            went far ahead.

            If the Germans fought on the territory of England, and not ours, then the British would have generally lost the war, and we had gone far ahead in radio technology.

            Quote: voyaka uh
            For this reason, German developments were very
            valuable.

            This is no one denies - German military equipment was better in many respects than the technology of our allies. Not for nothing that the Americans wagoned technical documentation and training films from Germany after the war.
            1. poquello 12 May 2020 00: 07 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              Not for nothing that the Americans wagoned technical documentation and training films from Germany after the war.

              one small inaccuracy, they were taken out by their wagons not after the war but during the war, that is, we can say rat-dogs, for German intellectual property should have been common
              1. ccsr 12 May 2020 11: 06 New
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                Quote: poquello
                they didn’t take them out with wagons during the war, but during the war, that is, we can say they ratted, because German intellectual property should have been common

                I can’t say anything about this, but I knew well the person who just participated in our commission for evaluating the enterprises of the radio industry in Germany. And he told me how exactly the technical documentation was exported by the Americans, and we were completely left with finished goods warehouses, believing that they did not need it. because they have their own production established.
        2. AllBiBek 11 May 2020 13: 34 New
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          If I remember correctly, it was the Germans who developed the entire cycle of isotope cleaning using the gas diffusion method for the USSR, and the uranium bomb is also their business. But this was already in the early 50s, and then it was not very relevant at that time.
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            Quote: AllBiBek
            If I remember correctly, it was the Germans who developed the entire cycle of isotope cleaning using the gas diffusion method for the USSR, and the uranium bomb is also their business. But this was already in the early 50s, and then it was not very relevant at that time.

            in, if I understand correctly, the Germans invented the vigorous bonbu rather than the United States, the United States stupidly stole it from the rest of the Allies
            1. AllBiBek 12 May 2020 00: 17 New
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              Do you live in the 21st century, or where?

              On a military-themed resource, you don’t even know how the uranium bomb differs from the plutonium one, and the cannon scheme for detonating the nucleus from implosive ...

              A uranium bomb fell on Hiroshima. It worked dirty, some percent of the isotope reacted, the rest fell on the city with radioactive dust.

              On Nagasaki - plutonium. This one worked cleaner, and the Americans concentrated on it.

              The Rosenberg Union was handed over materials precisely on plutonium charges.

              France became the third country in the world that itself mastered the entire production cycle, but they did not have a reactor, but through gas diffusion they received a uranium charge. After a couple of years, the USSR received it through German scientists, already armed with ready-made atomic bombs based on plutonium.
              1. poquello 12 May 2020 00: 22 New
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                Quote: AllBiBek
                Do you live in the 21st century, or where?

                On a military-themed resource, you don’t even know how the uranium bomb differs from the plutonium one, and the cannon scheme for detonating the nucleus from implosive ...

                in in, what for the USSR one more but about the Germans it must be said
                1. AllBiBek 12 May 2020 00: 28 New
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                  Well, what the hell? Schaub Bulo.

                  At worst, you can slowly give technology to a country that has decided to choose a communist path of development, fortunately, you can do without a reactor there. Chore, not fast, but - it’s possible, and the charge storage period is longer.

                  There are still disputes over where Israel came from; they quietly bought from the French, or the USSR warmed up. In Israel, they are still uranium.
                  1. poquello 12 May 2020 00: 38 New
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                    Quote: AllBiBek
                    At worst, you can slowly give technology to a country that has decided to choose a communist path of development, fortunately, you can do without a reactor there. Chore, not fast, but - it’s possible, and the charge storage period is longer.

                    There are still disputes over where Israel came from; they quietly bought from the French, or the USSR warmed up. In Israel, they are still uranium.

                    somehow a bit too much effort for such a small task
                    Quote: AllBiBek
                    Well, what the hell? Schaub Bulo.

                    hydrogen bulo in 4 years
                  2. voyaka uh 13 May 2020 10: 08 New
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                    Edward Teller visited Israel in the early 50s.
      4. poquello 11 May 2020 15: 42 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        And how many of them worked in the USSR! Near Sochi there was a whole comfortable sharazhka town for
        German specialists. They were paid high salaries.
        All radars, the first missiles, the first military electronics - from there.
        Then they were released in the GDR, having paid bonuses.

        tryndet is not necessary, the first radar station of the USSR is 34 years in service for 39 years
      5. KCA
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        Ah, and I and my parents lived in a house that Germans captured was built according to the German project, the Germans built several streets, and even cottages for researchers, and even the JINR building, at DMZ, formerly factory No. 30, the Germans also worked, and what, it was not necessary? It was necessary to understand and forgive? I don’t know how prisoners of war lived, but engineers and scientists lived like good PPCs, they wrote many memories, in Germany, even in the US occupation zone, they couldn’t even dream of such benefits
  7. Ural Cossack 11 May 2020 12: 33 New
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    Analyzing the enormous losses of our troops at the final stage of the war and the speed of their advance to the lair, which was arranged by the Supreme Commander, now there is no doubt that he is right. Any delay threatened to use a new type of weapon and atomic bomb against our troops. Losses from which would be many times more. And the question with the winner would be in question.
    1. Carnifexx 11 May 2020 13: 12 New
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      The Reich did not know about such weapons, and the "successes" in "resolving the Jewish question" in a certain way prevented them from creating nuclear weapons.
    2. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 18 New
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      Just Nonsense Nonsense. There was no “fundamentally new weapon” capable of turning the tide of the war — the Reich had no early 1945. And even if he held out until 1946, let’s say, it would not have appeared either.
  8. kieferandreas 11 May 2020 12: 38 New
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    Dumb Hitler, it was necessary not to attack the USSR then it would have ruled this geyropai, the USA would have been fucked in full, and the USSR would have stood. but yes, yes, yes, no.
    1. Carnifexx 11 May 2020 13: 12 New
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      I hope this is post-post-meta-irony
    2. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 21 New
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      He was quite not stupid. The war between the Reich and the USSR was inevitable. The Reich's only chance was to take control of a strategic initiative. And Adik took this chance. But he made a series of AshShibok in the process - and lost.
  9. Pavel57 11 May 2020 12: 41 New
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    As a concept - not bad. But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.
    1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 24 New
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      On the contrary, these very “plywood, charcoal, sawdust and glue” were the “stealth technology of the model of 1945.”
    2. Alf
      Alf 11 May 2020 23: 09 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.

      Have you heard about Mosquito?
  10. Pavel57 11 May 2020 12: 42 New
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    To be objective, the "eggheads" in Germany at that time were abundant, and not only in the aircraft industry. Therefore, the Americans with pleasure warmed up excellent engineers and rocket launchers and used their services for a long time.


    Both in the USA and in the USSR many German engineers and scientists worked. And with a good result.
  11. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 12: 58 New
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    and have enough fuel to fly 1000 kilometers and back. Only such an aircraft, according to Goering, would be able to hit any targets in the British Isles, having had time to complete its tasks before the British aviation could lift the fighter into the air to intercept it.

    What kind of nonsense. Reichsmarschall Goering really was "not very strong in the sciences." But what with a combat radius of 1000 km - it is impossible to "bomb any object in the UK" even having under its control the entire coast of France, Belgium and the Netherlands - even he could not understand.
  12. Ros 56 11 May 2020 13: 00 New
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    They would also have analyzed the Leonardo da Vinci helicopter.
    1. Aviator_ 11 May 2020 13: 17 New
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      And his parachute, and a breathing tube for walking under water. (Between the years of life of Leonardo and Torricelli for more than 150 years, I’m talking about the phone). It is good that he did not test his inventions, humanity would lose a brilliant artist.
      1. Ros 56 11 May 2020 15: 00 New
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        By the way, I read it back in the 80s, I don’t remember where either in “Wings of the Motherland” or in “Science and Life” - according to Leonardo’s drawings, they made a type of hang-glider, the creators’ eyes went up on the forehead, the carrying capacity came out to about 10 tons.
        1. Aviator_ 11 May 2020 15: 23 New
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          Excuse me, but it was April Fools' Day. Leonardo’s drawings have nothing more to do with reality than drawings of interplanetary ships of the pioneer group of aircraft modellers. Leonardo’s fame as an inventor arose suddenly during Italy’s struggle for independence (second half of the XNUMXth century), when Italians urgently needed engineering genius in the past.
  13. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 05 New
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    By the spring of 1945, the Luftwaffe had only a "raw" project, which needed further development.

    OMG, what nonsense! Go.229 - already flew. What, nafig, “only a“ crude project ”?“ National Interest ”- breaks another bottom bottom ...
    1. AllBiBek 11 May 2020 13: 37 New
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      He flew like that crocodile from a joke; short, short, and short.
      1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 13: 42 New
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        Exactly? laughing
        PS But yes - more than an hour and a half fly by - it really was not designed.
    2. Ros 56 11 May 2020 15: 01 New
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      What is it like? - bottom bottom. fellow lol request
      1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 23: 46 New
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        Well - first came the concept of "bottom" and "break through the bottom." Then - superlative - "bottom". And a couple of months ago, I first heard from a guy one of my Girls and my Wives - an even more “strengthened" version - [See] "broke the bottom of the bottom." Young people - she is so - have always been inventive. good laughing
  14. Maks1995 11 May 2020 13: 35 New
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    And what to argue. The idea is not new .. It was developed almost from the 20th.
    From the pluses - possible profitability. Of the minuses - poor handling.
    It seems for this, the F-117 - similar in design, had the nickname "flying grand pianos."
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      Alf 11 May 2020 23: 12 New
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      It seems for this, the F-117 - similar in design, had the nickname "flying grand pianos."

      The 229th looks more like the B-2, but here's the tsimes-B-2 that flies on computers, only in this way its stability is ensured, and then there were no computers ...
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        Yes,
        But I heard about the piano about the F-117. He was the first. He was not quite a wing, but similar. And they quickly abandoned it
      2. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 23: 54 New
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        The 229th looks more like the B-2, but here's the tsimes-B-2 that flies on computers, only in this way its stability is ensured, and then there were no computers ...

        Well, that is - really flying "flying wings" - even in the USSR (actually - even the RSFSR) as early as the beginning of the 1920s. Cheranovsky with his Beach - "Parabolas." And he was far away not the first to apply such a scheme.
        There is a whole very suitable capital work specifically on this topic:
        http://padaread.com/?book=43393
      3. Zementbomber 12 May 2020 00: 07 New
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        The 229th is more like the B-2

        In development of Go.229 - the Germans had a project of a heavy intercontinental (!!) strategist Horton Ho.18. The specified deadline for submission for flight is the end of 1946.
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          Alf 12 May 2020 00: 11 New
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          Quote: Zementbomber
          The 229th is more like the B-2

          In development of Go.229 - the Germans had a project of a heavy intercontinental (!!) strategist Horton Ho.18. The specified deadline for submission for flight is the end of 1946.

          They had these projects, as many as two books.


          There was a "trifle" to make it all fly, and if you recall how the Germans loved with only XE-177 ...
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            He.177 - was not the only "epic fail" RLM (by the way - it was still possible to finish it and he became one of the best heavy bombers of WWII). So what does this prove?
            Americans, too, "peculiar" ideas in batches then issued and financed. And an eight-engine (!!) jet carrier-based fighter, and a heavy escort jet fighter with a battery of 20 (!!) machine guns, and a jet "flying wing" for ramming attacks. (the last two divisions - they even flew) And the missile defense system against V-2. etc., etc., etc.
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              by the way - he managed to bring it all the same

              Remember the numbers soaring and returning ... The nickname "flying lighter" still needs to be earned. The best strategist of the second world is the B-29.
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                No it was said "best." It was it saysone of the best. "The difference however. And by the middle of 1943 - Ne.177" lighter "was still not.
  15. K-50 11 May 2020 13: 38 New
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    according to experts, he was not ready for launch into production: the designers did not have time to complete the process of its development.

    February 2, 1945 was the first test flight of a new aircraft. The car showed good results and even won in a training aerial battle Me 262 fighter jet equipped with the same Jumo 004 engines.

    What to believe?
    How could an undeveloped aircraft defeat? what
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      Could not win, because there was no flying sample. As for the victory over Me-262 - sheer nonsense.
      1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 23: 59 New
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        But as request Go.229v2 could "crash after two hours flight test"- if there was no" flying sample "? laughing
  16. Taoist 11 May 2020 19: 48 New
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    Interestingly, this is the illiteracy of the translation or the author?
  17. Shadow041 11 May 2020 23: 01 New
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    If the aircraft was able to defeat the serial Me-262 in aerial combat, then it was, at least, no worse than him ... and less raw than him.
  18. Pavel57 12 May 2020 10: 39 New
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    But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.

    Have you heard about Mosquito?

    And I heard about Po-2. But plywood after the war was not used in a serious and even whiter jet aircraft. And the successor to Mosquito-Hornet was all-metal.
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      Alf 12 May 2020 19: 25 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: Alf
      Quote: Pavel57
      But the plywood plane at the end of the war is no longer serious.

      Have you heard about Mosquito?

      And I heard about Po-2. But plywood after the war was not used in a serious and even whiter jet aircraft. And the successor to Mosquito-Hornet was all-metal.

      It's right. But until 1949, when jet interceptors appeared in the USSR and the USA, Mossi was out of competition.
      1. Pavel57 12 May 2020 21: 02 New
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        Mosquito was a strike aircraft to a greater extent. And Spita and Griffon did an excellent job of intercepting.
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          Alf 12 May 2020 21: 14 New
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          Quote: Pavel57
          Mosquito was a strike aircraft to a greater extent.

          In this case, I mean Mosquito Scout. It is difficult to organize the interception of an aircraft going on 8-9 thousand at 650-670 km / h.
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            A scout is more like a niche plane, again Spita and Griffon did a great job.
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              Quote: Pavel57
              A scout is more like a niche plane, again Spita and Griffon did a great job.

              Of course, they managed, especially in range ...
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                And higher altitude, and speed.