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Pushkov answered the words of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine about the "myth" with the banner of Victory

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The Foreign Ministry of Ukraine published a post on its Facebook page saying that the Soviet Union hid the fact that the ethnic Ukrainian was involved in the installation of the banner over the Reichstag. According to Kiev, this was a deliberate distortion of the truth.


Russian senator Alexei Pushkov expressed his opinion on Twitter regarding the statement of Ukrainian diplomats.

A Ukrainian Foreign Ministry post said that among the first Soviet fighters who installed the Red Banner over the Reichstag building was Ukrainian Stepan Oreshko. It says that the Soviet leadership intentionally hid the facts about the participation of Ukrainians in order to oblivion their names.

Alexei Pushkov was outraged by this attack. He drew attention to the complete lack of logic in the words of the representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine:

In the brains of the Ukrainian “elite” there is an incredible mix of Bandera, Russophobia, fawning in front of the West, an inferiority complex and a painful desire to be the first - even if it was to hoist the hated Red Banner over the Reichstag.


For some reason, Kiev does not take into account that the Victory Banner, recognized by everyone from the famous photograph, established by Egorov and Kantaria, was far from the only one, and this fact was never kept secret.

It is important to note that several banner groups, which included representatives of various nationalities, set their banners on the Reichstag building.
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  1. HAM
    HAM 11 May 2020 09: 53 New
    20
    Adam was also Ukrainian ..... am
    1. lucul
      lucul 11 May 2020 09: 55 New
      26
      Adam was also Ukrainian ....

      Not Adam, but Adamko)))
      1. figwam
        figwam 11 May 2020 10: 04 New
        15
        Quote: lucul
        Not Adam, but Adamko)))

        Together with Evko, dug up the Black Sea)))
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 11 May 2020 10: 12 New
          13
          Quote: figvam
          Together with Evko, dug up the Black Sea)))

          And the excavated soil became the Caucasian ridge! laughing
          1. Metallurg_2
            Metallurg_2 11 May 2020 10: 14 New
            14
            what did not fit was carried to the Himalayas.
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 11 May 2020 10: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: Metallurg_2
              what did not fit was carried to the Himalayas.

              Carpathians closer!
              1. Metallurg_2
                Metallurg_2 11 May 2020 10: 15 New
                15
                But the Himalayas are taller and cooler.
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 11 May 2020 10: 15 New
                  11
                  Quote: Metallurg_2
                  But the Himalayas are taller and cooler.

                  I give up ...
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 11 May 2020 11: 32 New
                    +3
                    Alexey Pushkov said well:
                    In the brains of the Ukrainian “elite” there is an incredible mix of Bandera, Russophobia, fawning in front of the West, an inferiority complex and a painful desire to be the first - even if it was to hoist the hated Red Banner over the Reichstag.

                    That's really really Bandera Nazis in power in Kievas the saying goes, one wants to, and is pricked, and Washington does not order to cling to the Great Victory of the Soviet people over Hitlerism!
                2. evgenii67
                  evgenii67 11 May 2020 10: 26 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Metallurg_2
                  But the Himalayas are taller and cooler.

                  There already another great people tried, it is the Chinese. Although the Chinese without any sarcasm are a great people.
                  1. Thrall
                    Thrall 11 May 2020 11: 02 New
                    +4
                    The post of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine said that among the first Soviet fighters who installed the Red Banner over the Reichstag building was a Ukrainian Stepan Oreshko.

                    On the "Peacemaker" of the hero smile
            2. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 11 May 2020 12: 14 New
              +4
              Quote: Metallurg_2
              what did not fit was carried to the Himalayas.

              At this overwork, they overtaxed and the brain atrophied ...
              So the first Maidan turned out and the Tower of Babel was destroyed.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 11 May 2020 13: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Metallurg_2
              what did not fit was carried to the Himalayas.

              They didn’t get to the Himalayas, but the Great Wall of China, they say, was built by Ukrainians.
        2. mig29mks
          mig29mks 11 May 2020 19: 45 New
          0
          Everything is not so !!! the first people on earth were Taras and Gala !!!!
      2. LeonidL
        LeonidL 11 May 2020 20: 51 New
        +1
        Right! Right! Right! And not Eve Bula, but Hfrosya! And not a bullo apple - but a pig! ... well, if you seriously answer all the claims of seafarers and piraidon builders, then the language can wrap up with a tube ... And if everything that is expressed by them is taken seriously, then the brains are kaput! However, what kind of brains are there under the galloping saucepan?
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 11 May 2020 10: 54 New
      10
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian ..... am

      recourse Adam was a Kyrgyz !!!
      1. Birch
        Birch 11 May 2020 11: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: HAM
        Adam was also Ukrainian ..... am

        recourse Adam was a Kyrgyz !!!

        laughing Remember the video of the Kyrgyz founders of life on earth ..)))) Everything fell under the table .. wassat
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 11 May 2020 12: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Birch

          Remember the video of the Kyrgyz founders of life on earth ..)

          Everything, Kiev is simply obliged to terribly punish the Kyrgyz, declare war on Kyrgyzstan, and plunder Beshkek. wassat
          1. Shelest2000
            Shelest2000 11 May 2020 15: 13 New
            +3
            Bugaga :) They have already addressed the Mongols laughing laughing
            1. Fantazer911
              Fantazer911 11 May 2020 16: 11 New
              +1
              Not yet evening, lol lol lol soon they will be the first settlers of the earth, after Mars! bully
            2. Moon
              Moon 11 May 2020 21: 32 New
              -2
              Quote: Shelest2000
              Bugaga :) They have already addressed the Mongols laughing laughing

              Fake news
              (An embassy official said on March 1 on the Russian radio station Vesti FM.)
              Some Russian publications such as Vesti.ru, Izvestia, Regnum, People’s Correspondent, Oplot, Military Review and others reprinted the news of confirmation of Ukraine’s claims from Mongolia for monetary compensation.
              On the website of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine there is no such resolution, as evidenced by the results of searches on Google and on the website of the Verkhovna Rada. A search in the legislative framework of Ukraine also turned out to be inconclusive: the last regulatory act of the Verkhovna Rada, which mentions Mongolia, dates from 2012.
              Recall that the fake about the appeal of the Verkhovna Rada to the Parliament of Mongolia appeared in May 2015 on the little-known Russian People’s Line website. Then the Russian media, such as the TV channels "Russia 24" and "Star" also denied this news.
              The press officer of the Embassy of Mongolia in the Russian Federation, Lhagvasuren Namsrai himself, in a comment by RIA Novosti, refused his previous words. According to him, he "only retold the content of the relevant stories in the media."
              How many fakes can I spread ??????
              Well, new .... but the old well-known !!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 11 May 2020 13: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Birch
          Remember the video of the Kyrgyz founders of life on earth.

          Soon you will hear something wrong, it’s not yet evening, the guys are still thinking.
    3. Evdokim
      Evdokim 11 May 2020 11: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian ..

      Not only Adam, but also Eve was Ukrainian. This was the first gay couples. wassat
    4. svp67
      svp67 11 May 2020 11: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian .....

      Take it cooler, his dad was already Ukrainian ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 May 2020 13: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        Take it cooler, his dad was already Ukrainian.

        Soon in Ukraine, the Old Testament will be rewritten.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 May 2020 12: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian ..... am

      The prophet spoke with the faithful in aslan!
      © Holm van Bunny. The Case of the Independent Dervishes.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 May 2020 12: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian.

      And Eve was also Ukrainian.
      1. mig29mks
        mig29mks 11 May 2020 19: 51 New
        +1
        Taras and Gala were the first people !!!!))))))))) learn Ukrainian history)))))))
    7. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 11 May 2020 13: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian ..... am

      No. The Ukrainian was his Chief Designer. And Adam is his self-portrait.
    8. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 11 May 2020 16: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: HAM
      Adam was also Ukrainian ...

      Yeah. And here UkromID considers Ukrainians obviously Militon Cantaria, proceeding from the fact that, after all, Saakashvilli, an ethnic Georgian, had Ukrainian citizenship. Logike.
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    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 11 May 2020 10: 14 New
      +5
      The snake-tempter, apparently, was also from the Ukrainians ...
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 11 May 2020 10: 25 New
        +3
        But this snake Mishiko the tempter was), and now he is EXPLAINING them all
      2. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 11 May 2020 12: 15 New
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        Quote: Metallurg_2
        The snake-tempter, apparently, was also from the Ukrainians ...

        Sala overeat, that is, he oversleeps.
      3. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 11 May 2020 16: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        The snake-tempter, apparently, was also from the Ukrainians ...

        There is no doubt about it. And write correctly: "Serpent"
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 11 May 2020 13: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Topol M
      And the apple was also hohlyatskoe!

      The apple was Polish.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 May 2020 10: 00 New
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    Strange situation . As in a psychiatric hospital, where if the Aboriginal people were raving, and the proconsulted would argue with them reasonably.
    1. Golovnyak
      Golovnyak 11 May 2020 10: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Strange situation . As in a psychiatric hospital, where if the Aboriginal people were raving, and the proconsulted would argue with them reasonably.

      In Kharkov, the largest psychiatric hospital in the Union was .. In the 90s they closed, that's the result!
    2. Birch
      Birch 11 May 2020 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      As in a psychiatric hospital, where if the Aboriginal people were raving, and the proconsulted would argue with them reasonably.

      Well, Russia, as a psychiatrist in the world .. Communicates calmly and patiently and explains to many patients that they are wrong in something ..
      Well, if they start buzzing, then we’ll break it professionally hi
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 May 2020 13: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      As in a psychiatric hospital, where if the Aboriginal people were raving, and the proconsulted would argue with them reasonably.

      I worked for three months in Gedeonovka as a sanitary officer, and I didn’t hear that much. Well, who wasn’t there, and Lenin’s son, I’m silent about Napoleon, but most of all I remember Galileo Galilei, that was unique.
    4. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh 11 May 2020 13: 34 New
      0
      Panopticon, one "hero" blurted out, the other "hero" answered. How did these twitter-facebook warriors and wars get.
      1. Moon
        Moon 11 May 2020 21: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Vinnibuh
        How did these twitter-facebook warriors and wars get.

        if they still wrote to each other .. so they write to different ones ..
        Pure hype ...
    5. BMP-2
      BMP-2 11 May 2020 14: 57 New
      +1
      The situation is more than strange and schizophrenic, given the fact that the flag is subject to the law of Ukraine on the prohibition of Soviet symbols, and even with its demonstration on television there is a fierce struggle ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= ipsz0sbSd-k
      1. Moon
        Moon 11 May 2020 21: 38 New
        0
        Quote: BMP-2
        the flag falls under the law of Ukraine on the prohibition of Soviet symbols, and even with its demonstration on television there is a fierce struggle ...

        originals do not get.
        Museum values, newsreels, all that is truly historical, and not copies and stuff.
        So setting the flag, newsreel about it, even the flag itself set then does not fall.
        But the copies fall.
  4. Fishery
    Fishery 11 May 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    Well, the photo of Chaldea was staged, no one denies this, in reality the banner was like 4 or even 5 in a row, several groups were installed, and there were no banners, but rather the flags, the Germans shot down with fire, this picture became legendary, in fact such a task faced Chaldean. Well, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine is not adequate now, I hope temporarily.

    Chaldean kept three banners in his bag. Their story is as follows: On one of his visits to Moscow, Evgeny Ananievich dined in the dining room of the "Photo Chronicles", where red tablecloths were spread on the tables. Chaldean “borrowed” three of them from the dining room, and his acquaintance, the Israeli tailor Kishitser, sewed him three banners. The first he installed on the roof of the Tempelhof airfield, the second near the chariot at the Brandenburg Gate. And on the same day the third banner was installed on the roof of the Reichstag. Later, the photographer talked about his work on photography, about how Naum Aranovich, a member of the Union of Journalists of Moscow, climbed a broken staircase to the roof of the Reichstag.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 11 May 2020 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Tonya
      Well, the photo of Chaldea was staged, no one denies this,

      The photo of hoisting the American flag on Iwo Jima has nothing to do with history at all.
      From the series - make me beautiful!
      And something no one in the West is tweeting every anniversary of this.
      1. Fishery
        Fishery 11 May 2020 10: 26 New
        0
        most people are interested in comics, but to tweet or not, everyone’s business, people who are interested in history, all know this, but for the rest, the cardboard Reichstag, the victory of America and England over Hitler, Captain America, the inscription T-34 with toothpaste on the car door and other entertainments .
    2. svp67
      svp67 11 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Tonya
      in reality, the banner was like 4 or even 5 in a row, several groups were installed, and there were no banners, but rather flags, the Germans shot down with fire, this picture became legendary,

      In reality, there were TENS of these banners, as our soldiers began to install them from the entrance ladder, so almost from every captured window on all floors there were banners, the vast majority of them were home-made, made by our soldiers from what was at hand. Egorov and Kantaria were among the first to install the officially manufactured VICTORY Banner, this banner had its number, No. 5, and it was issued to the assault group of 150 SD. And this group was the FIRST to establish a banner on one of the highest points of the Reichstag, at the equestrian statue of Frederick II. And recently there was a wonderful story how they did it, showing miracles of fire, tactical and physical training ... They were just WONDERS and HEROES ... were able to break through to the roof, even when the Germans held most of the basement, upper floor and attic ...
      And only then this banner was transferred to the dome
      Yes, for some reason a whole piece with a number was cut off from the banner, because of which it is now in such an irregular shape
      1. Fishery
        Fishery 11 May 2020 11: 31 New
        0
        I agree, but I wrote about the photograph of Chaldea, it was her that was replicated by millions of copies, although there are other photos.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 May 2020 13: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        Egorov and Kantaria were among the first to install the officially manufactured VICTORY Banner, this banner had its number, No. 5, and it was issued to the assault group of 150 SD.

        Everything is true. In May 1969, on May 9, I visited with the parents of the village. Prechistoe Smolensk region Mikhail Egorov performed at the club. After the speech, front-line soldiers and partisans gathered at our place, where Yegorov told how they, together with Kantaria, hoisted the Banner of Victory over the defeated Reichstag. Unforgettable minutes.
    3. major147
      major147 11 May 2020 11: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Tonya
      Well, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine is not adequate now, I hope temporarily.

      They mean Alexey Berest. Although he was born in Ukraine, but after the war he lived in Rostov n / a, worked for Rostselmash and died saving a child on railway tracks. His name is given to a street in Rostov. The fate of a person, you can shoot a movie ......
      http://rostov-region.ru/news/item/f00/s06/n0000676/index.shtml
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 May 2020 14: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: major147
        They mean Alexey Berest. Although he was born in Ukraine, but after the war he lived in Rostov n / a, worked for Rostselmash and died saving a child on railway tracks.

        It was an officer political officer of the Red Army, who fulfilled his duty. Much has been written, and many memoirs about hoisting the flag over the Reichstag, but here are some statements that are not entirely clear, and the role of Alexei Berest himself is also not clear. During the war, the political leaders were not sent forward to attack. But according to Elena Martsenyuk’s article, it somehow does not fit with reality
        The article “The Banner of Victory and its entourage” introduced readers to the heroic and at the same time tragic fate of Alexei Prokopyevich Berest, political lieutenant who, along with sergeants Mikhail Yegorov and Meliton Kantaria, was not just the third participant in the historic arming of the scarlet Soviet banner over the defeated Reichstag on April 30, 1945 years, and literally, breaking through the defenses of the Nazis, dragged these two of his fellow soldiers onto its roof.
        Maybe I’m not right, but it is painful here, as it was far-fetched, "dragged these two of my fellow soldiers onto the roof."
        1. Vitaly Tsymbal
          Vitaly Tsymbal 11 May 2020 16: 07 New
          +2
          You are wrong to say that the political leaders were not sent to the attack. This opinion was imposed on the Russians during the EBN period, when not only political leaders were honored, but everything that happened in the USSR during the Second World War, read the materials about the political commanders during the Second World War, in Afghanistan .. Unfortunately, what you wrote about the political leaders is replicated in our modern movie about the war !!! Now political workers are being returned to the army, and not because the Amiya is not loyal to Putin-Shoigu, but because the soldier and officer must understand what he is for, if necessary, SHOULD give his life. A soldier should have an example of such a person, not in the Kremlin, but in a nearby trench ...
        2. Avior
          Avior 11 May 2020 16: 09 New
          0
          Not far-fetched.
          Birch bark was distinguished by a large physique, it dragged
  5. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 11 May 2020 10: 04 New
    +4
    I am a supporter of the theory of the implementation of the "generational" conflict, the essence of which is that all social disasters in the world are due to the conflict of fathers and children. The collapse of the USSR is the realization of such a conflict, hence the inevitable conflict when the children tell their fathers, "go to ass with its democracy and free market, we need a great country "And in Ukraine everyone will start looking for Russian roots and is proud of their grandfathers who fought in the Great Patriotic War. But if we can realize it, this is a question.
    1. Altona
      Altona 11 May 2020 11: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      , "you go ass with your democracy and free market, we need a great country"

      -----------------------
      So far, some other scenario is being realized, where there is a general restriction of rights and freedoms, such fascism is postmodern. Masks, gloves, digital services. And here there are many people who are right in ecstasy from police measures for any reason. Don't like the sidewalk? Oh, you are crack. I do not like coronovirus. Oh you, the dissident crown. Well, in that spirit. The glorification of fascism, guerrilla, gendarmes in any form. And inciting social and ethnic hatred.
      PS A great country and half-perspiration are two different things. And in the recent past there were democracies, only popular ones, where the people chose their representative from their midst, and not the bourgeois paid.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      when the children tell their fathers, "you asshole with your democracy and free market, we need a great country"

      Looking at how modern children degrade under the influence of Western propaganda and the education system, I would not be so sure of this
      1. gabonskijfront
        gabonskijfront 11 May 2020 11: 35 New
        +2
        Both degradation and development take place simultaneously, in the same direction and in the same way, nothing happens in this world. I don’t count young people, rather we are stupid people, pioneers of the eighties. We profiled the country and slaughtered each other in the nineties,
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 11 May 2020 12: 19 New
      0
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      And in Ukraine, everyone will begin to look for Russian roots and is proud of their grandfathers who fought in the Great Patriotic War. But if we can realize it, this is a question.

      And what will they find without our help?
  6. Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 11 May 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    Yes, in general, and in the sources of the Soviet era, and later, it was always written about several groups (I met several times, at least). And Cantaria and Egorov are known for the famous photograph, which also has different options. Well lucky guys, the photographer was closer to them)
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 May 2020 10: 37 New
      -1
      They are not in the famous photo, this is a staged photo with other participants in the assault
  7. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 May 2020 10: 07 New
    +1
    who about what ... and the Ukrainian "etiquette" if only to spoil Russia ... and earn the praise of their puppeteers ...
    1. HAM
      HAM 11 May 2020 10: 17 New
      +1
      It seems that the “Ukrainian Elite” is not aware that attributing other people's merits to itself (this applies not only to the banner of Victory) speaks of inferiority ...
      True, this does not detract from the merits of truly Ukrainians, and not the mummers ....
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  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 May 2020 10: 11 New
    +4
    I don’t get it? So is it that the Ukrainian also objected to the prohibited banner of victory over the unfortunate Reichstag? Was he the occupier of Europe? How was his land worn? wassat And after all, there were Ukrainian fronts, which, including Berlin, took ... everything mixed up in the brain of modern banderlogs!
    1. Golovnyak
      Golovnyak 11 May 2020 10: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And after all, there were Ukrainian fronts, which, including Berlin, took ... everything mixed up in the brain of modern banderlogs!

      They stayed in the caches, and that’s the result of brain clouding ..
      Let them bark for now! hi
    2. Fishery
      Fishery 11 May 2020 10: 32 New
      +1
      didn’t mix) but split up, part celebrates 8 now, the remaining 9)) and each time srach) I am glad that my friends all have a holiday 9.
  9. knn54
    knn54 11 May 2020 10: 20 New
    +5
    Lieutenant Rakhimzhan Koshkarbaev and Private Grigory Bulatoa, who, under fire, hiding in the craters, made their way to the Reichstag 7 hours, from 11 to 18.30, and the flag was set at 18.30.
    They were FIRST to be presented to the title of Heroes of the Soviet Union on May 6. But they awarded them only with the orders of the Red Banner. Why ...
  10. Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 May 2020 10: 31 New
    +9
    Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians, Armenians, Kazakhs, Tatars and
    100 more nationalities
    Great countries fought
    shoulder to shoulder, dying together
    won together because
    all were brothers. And what
    the difference is which of them hoisted
    from April 30 to May 9 around
    20 banners over the den
    fascism.
    Smart people understand everything.
    And subhuman, let it continue
    sprinkle poison, anyway they
    most of which do not know how.
  11. Avior
    Avior 11 May 2020 10: 32 New
    +1
    recognizable by the famous photograph of the Victory Banner, established by Egorov and Kantaria


    The Victory Banner was established by a group consisting of the group commander, Lieutenant Berest, sergeants Egorov and Kantaria.

    Victory Banner - the assault flag of the 150th Order of Kutuzov, 1nd Class, by the Idritsky Rifle Division, hoisted on May 1 [1] [~ 1945] 1 on the roof of the Reichstag building in Berlin [2] by Red Army soldiers Alexei Berest [3] [4] [ XNUMX], by Mikhail Egorov and Meliton Cantaria.

    S. A. Neustroev recalled: “I remember how the commander of the 756th regiment Zinchenko shouted:“ Where is the banner? Not on the column it should be. Up to the roof of the Reichstag! To let everyone see! “After some time, the fighters returned depressed - it’s dark, there is no flashlight, they did not find a way to the roof. Zinchenko swore so that the walls trembled as during shelling. More than an hour has passed. They thought everything: there is no one alive. And suddenly we see: against the background of the glass dome of the Reichstag, three are dancing. It is clear that not with joy. It's just that if you move, you’re less likely to get hit by a bullet ”[19].


    It was Berest who also went as a parliamentarian to the SS men who settled in the Reichstag late on May 1, as a result of May 2 they surrendered early in the morning and the Reichstag was taken.
    The battle in the burning building continued until late in the evening. Only after a successful attack in the rear German units fighters S. A. Neustroev managed to drive the Nazis into the basement. Realizing the futility of further resistance, the Reichstag garrison command proposed to begin negotiations on the condition that an officer with the rank of at least colonel should take part in them from the Soviet side. Among the officers who were at that time in the Reichstag, there was no one older than the major, and communication with the regiment did not work. Therefore, it was decided to send a tall and representative lieutenant A. Berest to negotiations, having previously changed his clothes in the form of a colonel. After a short preparation, A. Berest went as negotiations Colonel, S. A. Neustroev as his adjutant and Private I. Prygunov as a translator. Negotiations began with A. Berest's proposal for surrender. In response, German parliamentarians announced the readiness of the garrison to lay down their arms, but on condition that Soviet soldiers leave firing positions. They explained their condition by the fear that the Red Army soldiers, heated up by the battle, would impose lynching on those who surrendered. The Soviet "colonel" categorically rejected this proposal and demanded unconditional surrender. After that, the Soviet delegation left the basement.

    It’s unpleasant that Berest was wiped away from awards and well-deserved respect, but it’s doubly unpleasant that, it seems, Pushkov is also not aware of this .....
    1. New
      New Year day 11 May 2020 10: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      It is unpleasant that Berest was wiped away from awards and well-deserved respect

      the story is extremely unpleasant, I agree. One of the versions that Zhukov did not like political instructors painfully, and, looking at the position of the award seeker, decided that the Order of the Red Banner would be enough. In February 1953, when Berest was arrested, the interrogator provoked him to a fight during interrogation at the prosecutor’s office. Berest was sentenced to ten years in prison for embezzlement
      Died Berest, saving a child, in 1970.
      May 6, 2005 for personal courage and heroism shown in the Berlin operation and hoisting the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag by decree of the President of Ukraine No. 753/2005, Berest Alexey Prokopyevich was awarded the title Hero of Ukraine (posthumous).

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  12. Growlers
    Growlers 11 May 2020 10: 37 New
    +4
    The very concept of the state in relation to Ukraine is a myth
    1. Birch
      Birch 11 May 2020 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Growlers
      The very concept of the state in relation to Ukraine is a myth

      Yes, it has become clear to everyone for a long time .. The continuous "Walk the field" and the pan of the ataman of the Nem gold reserve .. the film "Wedding in the Robin" all very well explains the political situation and mentality .. hi
  13. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 11 May 2020 10: 39 New
    +3
    on Kazakh forums the same baiga, vile Russians hid and hid the Kazakh with a banner
    1. Birch
      Birch 11 May 2020 12: 25 New
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      on Kazakh forums the same baiga, vile Russians hid and hid the Kazakh with a banner

      Did it surprise you? laughing This is normal psychological envy .. As we say in Russia now ... "Do not do good, you will not get evil." So it’s okay, let them howl and fight in the eponymous .. The wind of history, all this rubbish will scatter .. " soldier
  14. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 11 May 2020 10: 42 New
    +1
    and what about the Russian authorities? who offer to put monuments to Krasnov, make films about Zuleikha, etc.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 11 May 2020 11: 25 New
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      Quote: fruit_cake
      and what about the Russian authorities? who offer to put monuments to Krasnov, make films about Zuleikha, etc.

      What country’s authorities offer to erect monuments to Krasnov? They also make films, because there are many different authorities ...
      You would keep the imagination in check.
  15. Kibl
    Kibl 11 May 2020 11: 01 New
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    Yes, they’re slandering and tearing their Svidomo farts, They’re not up to them now. Their idiots like a fool have enough wrappers. Well, if Svidomo already had foam from its mouths, then please go to sleep, punitive psychiatry is already strong!
  16. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 11 May 2020 11: 09 New
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    It’s interesting, but that Georgia has no claims? Meliton Kantaria !!!
  17. major147
    major147 11 May 2020 11: 20 New
    +1
    No jokes, but "Ukraine liberated the concentration camps", "the USA and England defeated fascism", "not Soviet troops liberated Prague", but in a couple of years we will hear that Ukrainians "took Berlin!" Western propaganda is changing history using even thin. films. For example, in a recent series about King Kong, a black man, either a colonel or a general (!) Claims that "they came out of Vietnam with honor," and in the last film about "Mummy" such rotten squeezed!
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 May 2020 12: 09 New
      +4
      Why should I be surprised? .. About five years ago, I asked the head teacher of the Ukrainian school, which leg was amputated to Meresyev. She answered -: ,, Left ,, Babken, aged 40-45. After that, I am not surprised at anything ... This is Ukraine ...
      1. Moon
        Moon 11 May 2020 21: 48 New
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        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        About five years ago, I asked the head teacher of the Ukrainian school, which leg was amputated by Meresyev. She answered -: ,, Left ,, Babken, aged 40-45. After that, I am not surprised at anything ... This is Ukraine ...

        so she was only 8-9 years old at the Union!
        And many did not read (or did not have time to read)
        But if at least something is answered, then something is left in my head.
        I read the Story several times. The food search fragment against the background of corpses and machinery forever crashed the most. But this is for me. Many have not read and do not remember.
        Although the doctor may have amputated at first the left (and then the right, because at the same time they do not amputate)
        Formally, if you argue
        But to whom the left is Yuri (George) Vladimirovich Gilcher, the left was amputated.
        But few people know about this person.
  18. cniza
    cniza 11 May 2020 12: 04 New
    +3
    In the brains of the Ukrainian “elite” there is an incredible mix of Bandera, Russophobia, fawning in front of the West, an inferiority complex and a painful desire to be the first - even if it was to hoist the hated Red Banner over the Reichstag.


    Why do we swing beads in front of them?
    1. Birch
      Birch 11 May 2020 12: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      Why do we swing beads in front of them?

      Well, in psychiatry, Victor, there is such a method, especially not to make the patient angry, but to gently explain that it was his vision and internal voices, this is a sick imagination ..
      If they start to run amok. Then emergency measures are applicable .. wassat hi While we are tolerant and waiting, can clarification come in our heads? wink
  19. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 May 2020 12: 06 New
    -1
    Clever Pushkov! Always respected him for his intelligence and political decency.
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 May 2020 12: 21 New
    0
    But even Pushkov got these Bandera savages, but in fact, what to take from them, because they are, by definition, clients of fools.
  21. Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 11 May 2020 12: 45 New
    0
    laughing Our "dear" is dedicated to "https://youtu.be/XkptwawfnJQ wassat
  22. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 11 May 2020 13: 06 New
    +3
    I agree with the majority, but then all were "Soviet soldiers", and the Nazis considered all Russians. And many heroes, history remained unknown, - there are thousands of them.

    We are against rewriting history in the West, but we ourselves must return the names of all those who, for political and ideological reasons, have been undeservedly put into oblivion.
    We know the story, with the "Pavlov’s house", but many in it, simply "forgotten", are actually deleted from the story!

    Three scouts (Glushchenko V.S., - corporal, Aleksandrov A.P., - Private, Chernogolov N., - Private), under the leadership of Sergeant Y.F. Pavlov, they destroyed the observation post of the Germans in house number 9 on Lenin Square and set up their observation post there. Three days later, the command decided to gain a foothold in the house, since he was the only survivor in this direction and sent a reinforcement - only 26 people. There was one woman in the garrison, too - the medical orderly Maria Ulyanova (Ladychenko).
    All two months (58 days) the defense was led by Lieutenant I.F. Afanasyev. At that time, the commander, General Alexander Ilyich Rodimtsev, clearly indicates Lieutenant Afanasyev as the head of the Pavlov’s garrison, who turned “thanks to his energy and courage, this house into an indestructible fortress.” But thanks to the efforts of the leadership, including in the person of commander V.I. Chuikov, who decided to fashion from a simple fighter - the only hero of that defense. It was on his initiative that by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 27, 1945, Y. F. Pavlov was awarded the title Hero of the USSR.
    As a result, of all the defenders of the Pavlov’s House, who were, in equal conditions, only the sergeant Y.F. Pavlov. Of all 26 defenders, only three soldiers died during the defense: Lieutenant A. Chernyshenko, Sergeant Chait I. Ya. And Private Svirin I.T.
  23. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 May 2020 13: 36 New
    +4
    Banner of Victory
    More than 65 years have passed since the Victory Day of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War, and the debate over the one who first erected the Banner on the defeated Reichstag still has not faded.
    And these disputes will be until all those who took part in this are officially recognized.
    The purpose of this site page is not to “debriefing”, but to try to objectively approach this issue and reconcile all those who interpret this event differently in our common Victory.
    Hundreds of soldiers carried their flags to the Reichstag, but not everyone had the chance to reach the Reichstag and survive to victory.
    We will proceed from the fact that not all participants in this operation have yet received a worthy assessment of their feat.
    ... Lines from an official document: “A lot of red banners were hoisted over the Reichstag. At various levels of the building, including on the roof, 40 flags and flags of various sizes were installed. But the banner, erected by Egorov and Kantaria, under the direct supervision of Alexei Berest, is officially considered the Banner of Victory ”... The memory of all those soldiers and officers who were involved in hoisting the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag.
    Here are these Heroes:
    Berest Alexey Prokofievich (09.03.1921/04.11.1970/2005-756/XNUMX/XNUMX) political instructor-lieutenant, Hero of Ukraine (XNUMX), XNUMX joint venture, Rostov-on-Don
    Belenkov N.T., private, 526 sp
    Bobrov Alexei, sergeant, (Hero of the USSR in 1997.)
    Bondar Mikhail Mikhailovich, major
    Bulatov Grigory Petrovich, private (16.11.1925/19.04.1973/674 - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), XNUMX joint venture, Slobodskoy
    Bull Nikolai Stepanovich
    Bryukhovetsky Pavel, private
    Gabidulin Mikhail Semenovich, private (1925 -), 674 sp
    Glotov, ml. Sergeant
    Gorychev Mikhail
    Grechenkov Petr Afanasevich, lieutenant, platoon commander, 674 joint ventures
    Gusev Kuzma Vladimirovich, senior lieutenant, battalion chief of staff
    Gusev, sergeant
    Dokin S.I. (Hero of the USSR)
    Dolgikh Peter (19 .. - 30.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX killed while taking the Reichstag)
    Davydov V.I. captain, battalion commander, (Hero of the USSR --- May 8, 1946.), 674 joint ventures
    Egorov Mikhail Alekseevich (05.05.1923/20.06.1975/8 - 1946/XNUMX/XNUMX), sergeant, (Hero of the USSR --- May XNUMX, XNUMX.) Smolensk region., Rudnya
    Eremin Mikhail V., ml. Sergeant, 380 joint ventures
    Ermakov
    Zagitov Gazi Kazykhanovich., Senior sergeant, (Hero of the USSR in 1997.)
    Zubarev Vasily Denisovich, (Hero of the USSR)
    Ivanov
    Ismailov Abdulhakim Isakovich, sergeant, (Hero of Russia --- 1996.)
    Ischanov, sergeant
    Kabulov, private
    Kagykin Petr Petrovich (Hero of the USSR)
    Kazantsev Vasily Tikhonovich (Hero of the USSR)
    Kovalev Alexey Leonidovich
    Kantaria Meliton Varlamovich, (? - 27.12.1993/8/1946), ml. Sergeant, (Hero of the USSR --- May XNUMX, XNUMX.), Abkhaz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Achangeri
    Kanunnikov V.P. (Hero of the USSR)
    Koshkarbaev Rakhimzhan, lieutenant, platoon commander, (1924 -), 674 joint ventures
    Lysenko Ivan Nikiforovich, senior sergeant, (Hero of the USSR --- May 8, 1946.), 674 sp
    Lisimenko Alexander F., senior sergeant, (Hero of the USSR in 1997.)
    Lyadov Ivan Mikhailovich, sergeant
    Makov Vladimir Nikolaevich, captain, (Hero of the USSR in 1997.)
    Matveev Isaac
    Minin Mikhail Petrovich, sergeant, (1922-?), (Hero of the USSR in 1997.)
    Mishin, sergeant
    Neustroev Stepan Andreyevich, captain, battalion commander, (Hero of the USSR --- May 8, 1946), 756 joint ventures
    Novikov
    Oreshko Stepan Gavrilovich, (1919-1990), 674 sp
    Pachkovsky Mikhail A., Private, Private
    Pechersky, lieutenant
    Provotorov Viktor Nikolaevich, (1921 - 1985), senior sergeant, department commander
    Prigunov Ivan Fedorovich
    Pyatnitsky Petr Nikolaevich, (1913 - 30.04.1945/756/XNUMX), ml. Sergeant, XNUMX joint ventures
    Rudnev Vasily Dmitrievich
    Savenko Grigory K., private, 380 joint venture
    Samsonov Konstantin Yakovlevich, senior lieutenant, battalion commander, (Hero of the USSR --- May 8, 1946), 171 sd, 380 joint venture
    Sankin Nikolay, private,
    Smirnov P.S., sergeant, 2 companies 525 joint ventures
    Somov L.F., private, 2 companies 525 joint ventures
    Sorokin Semen Egorovich, lieutenant, (? - April 1994), 674 joint ventures
    Stennikov Afonasy Fedorovich, (September 4.09.1904, 9.11.1979 - November 15, 1946), (Hero of the USSR --- May XNUMX, XNUMX)
    Syanov Ilya Yakovlevich, (1905 - 4.04.1988/756/XNUMX), senior sergeant, XNUMX joint venture
    Talak, senior sergeant
    Shatilov N., foreman
    Shcherbina Peter Dorofeevich, (1926 - 1981), g. Kostroma
    Shubkin
    Familsky Vasily Matveevich
    Yaroparov Baydemir Yaparovich, 86 heavy howitzer artillery brigade,
    Yarunov Vasily Ivanovich, captain, commander of 2 companies
    Yakimovich ... "(c) Here is a list I found on the Internet on the site of a caring person. As they say, comments are unnecessary.
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      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 11 May 2020 19: 43 New
        0
        You rot. Just Bandera rot-yes!
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          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 11 May 2020 20: 11 New
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            It’s always violet on your outfits. You are unworthy of more.
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              1. Prisoner
                Prisoner 11 May 2020 20: 31 New
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                You are lying. In the fleet of rudeness above the roof, only such meanness in relation to veterans is not and never will be. Dry up the caricature!
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                  1. Prisoner
                    Prisoner 11 May 2020 20: 48 New
                    0
                    Boo-ooo. Anesten?
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                      1. Prisoner
                        Prisoner 11 May 2020 21: 44 New
                        +1
                        Did not try to have a bite? sad I have never seen my grandfathers. One in Prussia burned out with the crew, the other was buried near Kalinin. The only thing that connects me with my grandfathers is the medal "For Courage". The three of us have it. Only they had it on a rectangular block. I don’t believe you. You are not ours, and God is with you.
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                      3. Prisoner
                        Prisoner 11 May 2020 22: 08 New
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                        I am not very good with God. I got used to trusting my comrades. They didn’t fail. Although the religions of their ancestors are grateful, or rather their family for the fact that they taught to treat alcohol without fanaticism. With a set of 50 grams, for disinfection and as a brainwave after unusual situations, a pound. During the holidays, I got around and get around if comrades from the outskirts of the Union do not descend. hi
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  • iouris
    iouris 11 May 2020 18: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: “More than 65 years have passed since the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War, and the debate is about who is the first ...” End of quote.
    Firstly, you are not observant or do not know how to count (2020-1945 = 75).
    Secondly, such debates are provocateurs with provocative goals. The war was waged by the Soviet people, each people made its contribution to the Victory. The enemy and allies called the USSR "Russia", and the citizens of the USSR - "Russian". A bourgeois counter-revolution was carried out in the USSR, it ceased to exist, and the wreckage of the USSR should be at war and fight among themselves until they were “formatted”. In his statement on the victory over Nazism, Tram did not mention the USSR at all. This is a clear signal to you all.
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  • Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 11 May 2020 18: 08 New
    +1
    "In the brains of the Ukrainian" elite "is an incredible mix", but full, many years of support in the elections. And where does the "elite"?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 11 May 2020 20: 16 New
      0
      The "elite" at the inferiority complex cuts a chip and, as we see, to a point. The majority of the population has little intelligence, a lot of ambition.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 May 2020 18: 59 New
    +1
    This is what we distinguish from Bandera. We do not care about the nationality of the soldiers. In order to hoist the banners (and Yegorov and Kantaria were at least second), hundreds of soldiers of all nationalities were killed and as a result, the banner was hoisted not by two people, but hundreds, thousands, damn millions from June 22, 1941. But ukrobanderovtsy are not included in this number, they lost the Second World War.
  • Moon
    Moon 11 May 2020 21: 28 New
    0
    What to say --- Facebook vs Twitter ...
    They even write to different American social networks!
    And the whole news about this!
    Yes, for this there is a discussion thread in the mentioned American social networks.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 May 2020 21: 50 New
    0
    Pushkov should not have fallen to the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 11 May 2020 22: 12 New
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      It is impossible to drop to this level with all desire.