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Assassination attempt on an infantryman carrying victory at the tip of a bayonet

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Assassination attempt on an infantryman carrying victory at the tip of a bayonet

The Victory Day, which we celebrated in an environment close to military, not only showed the strength of our spirit, but also revealed many problems in Russian society. Our inaction in the fight against those who muddy the feat of our people during the Great Patriotic War, our condescending attitude to the external and internal enemies of Russia, our calm when it was necessary not to listen to the enemy, but simply to beat, bore fruit.


We spit in the face, and we ... winners


I don’t want to write about what they talked about, what they talked about, what the liberals convinced us of at all sites. Enough of such materials from other authors. And the uselessness of verbal skirmishes with enemies I know. Why does our power not protect our history, our honor, the honor of our grandfathers, who broke the ridge of the Nazis, I do not understand. Laws have been adopted, but we are “embarrassed” to apply them. As if not to offend the West. 

Kind of weird. Grandfathers were not afraid to offend this very West. Not afraid to spit in the face of the enemy. For some reason, the “Russian bears” in the descendants have “ostriches”. Where is our reaction to the demolition of the Konev monument? Where is our reaction to the installation of the T-34 in a Nazi helmet. The Soviet heroic tank was covered with a German helmet and ... 

Where is the reaction to the dastardly statement of the American president? Knees bend in Russia? Is your own belly more important than the memory of grandfathers? If so, then it is understandable why we pay some well-known garbage radio stations from public funds. It is clear why there is a well-known "center" - a nursery of "modern history".

Why on central television channels we see “many years of struggle between patriots and liberals” almost daily. Moreover, that the patriots, that the liberals, are so tired of people that all these disputes about anything no longer look like disputes, but some kind of shameful performance. One plot, one actors, one ending ...

The infantry is victorious on its own bayonets


Probably, many of the readers came across in communication with people who seem to be saying the right thing, but in essence, they are eager for the defeat of Russia, they are eager for the time to come when we stop engaging in foreign policy, we will become obedient to the collective West, which will give us everything best that has. 

I came across one of these points of view yesterday. I admit, I violated the regime of self-isolation on Victory Day. Could not break. In memory of grandfathers could not. The truth was not at the central memorial, but at the mass grave of war soldiers who died in hospitals. I do not like noise during the holidays. And I consider graves more important than temples and memorial complexes.

Later, when I was sitting in a grove, I was thinking about something, a complete stranger sat down next to me. Probably also was at the grave. Word for word and we talked about modernity. Not about the victorious war, but about the conflicts in which our soldiers and officers are participating today. 

Pretty quickly it became clear that the interlocutor draws notions of the modern army and those conflicts where the Russian military were, from Internet sites of a certain orientation. Moreover, in his mind, education and the ability to draw conclusions, he clearly will not refuse. It turned out to be a teacher at one of our universities.

It does not make sense to describe the whole conversation, but I will voice the main idea of ​​the interlocutor. Why should Russian soldiers die in other people's wars? Why do ours die in Syria? Why are they dying? And most importantly, why the Russians take the enemy’s position, and the glory for the victory belongs to a local kind of army.

We must pay tribute to the interlocutor, the understanding that it is impossible to win any war without infantry, without a soldier who will occupy the enemy’s position. A simple infantryman, often unknown, not awarded, who did not accomplish high-profile feats, bears victory on his bayonet. Someone from the war veterans has long said a very accurate phrase on this subject. "Victory is where the infantry Vanya reached."

All the rest, armed and equipped with the most advanced means of war, are just assistants of this very "Vanya". You can destroy a fortified area with airstrikes, you can erase enemy positions into powder with artillery, you can capture a settlement behind enemy lines by landing forces. But until the arrival of motorized riflemen there, this is just the success of the operation.

We must protect Russian soldiers


It is difficult to disagree with the fact that a soldier, his soldier, must be protected. By the way, it is this simple truth that is used today by liberals to denigrate our Soviet generals and marshals.

The Russian "truth-seekers" from the opposition speak of the "bloody" Zhukov and other marshals. Ukrainian - about General Vatutin, who "flooded the Dnieper with the corpses of Ukrainians" during the liberation of Kiev. Western "experts" are actively discussing the capture of Berlin. By the way, no one even tries to analyze the combat losses of the opponents. 

Arithmetic is an exact science. From which side do not come, and twice two is always four. If we take the combat losses of the USSR and Germany, then even in this version they are comparable. But there were also allies of the Germans. It was 1945, when Germany did not keep records of the dead ...

And so, my interlocutor says about the same about modern generals who perform and have performed combat missions already in our time. Not about Zhukov, Konev, Rokossovsky, Malinovsky and other heroes of the Great Patriotic War. And about those who fought in Chechnya, Syria, and other "hot spots". 

On the one hand, such a comparison with the military geniuses of the past is flattering. But on the other hand, there is no logic. MTR servicemen die? .. Yes, it happens. But that is why it is intelligence, to be where objective information is needed for our General Staff.

Are the pilots killed? .. Yes, they are fulfilling the assigned combat mission, and not playing with toys. Nobody hides this. These officers perform a combat mission precisely as servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces. The same applies to the Russian military police.

And now back to where I started this material. To that same infantryman, on whose bayonet victory is won. That same soldier, whom everyone helps. Tankers, pilots, gunners, scouts, sailors. signalmen, sappers and many specialists from other military professions.

And it is here that what the enemies do not talk about comes up. Russian motorized riflemen do not take part in battles. There are advisers, there are translators, there is someone else, but our army's motorized rifle units are not there! That is the answer to the question why the Syrian units celebrate the victory. 

Why talk about it. Instead of a conclusion


Probably no one will argue that the situation in the world is rapidly deteriorating. Moreover, already without any efforts on the part of governments and country leaders. Everything collapses. From economic ties and political ambitions to the psyche of people. Self-isolation does its job.

And the talk about how bad it is with us, what mediocre commanders we have, how brutally treat people and stuff, is akin to the very same enemy passes that the Nazis scattered over our trenches and which some of our soldiers believed. A thousand pieces of paper, due to which only one fighter will leave the position, this is the victory of the enemy. Even a million pieces of paper per fighter in such a situation would be a victory. This must be remembered ...
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  1. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 11 May 2020 08: 46 New
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    aha ... cherish. Especially citizens. I saw only one real banner of Victory (((But there were several pieces of tricolor with pinned ribbons on each house
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 May 2020 08: 59 New
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      Where will you find the Banner of Victory now? One tricolor .... It's sad if you remember who used this flag before.
      PS I have a red flag on the dashboard in the car ...
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 11 May 2020 09: 05 New
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        so I found only one, a whole kilometer to the store. And I saw how tricolors were hanged, and were hanged not by schoolchildren, but by very "adult" people.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 11 May 2020 09: 20 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Where will you find the Banner of Victory now? One tricolor .... It's sad if you remember who used this flag before.
        PS I have a red flag on the dashboard in the car ...

        Someone who planned the 91-93 year, achieved his goal - a split consciousness of citizens. Hence the tricolor on Victory Day.
        To the author of the article +
      3. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 11 May 2020 09: 22 New
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        Uncle Lee (Vladimir)
        Where will you find the Banner of Victory now?
        Last May 9, I bought myself a fairly large (1 * 1,5 m) USSR flag. A copy of the Victory banner was sold, but much smaller, but I wanted more. In general, the dream is to get a real Soviet flag from velvet with the inscription and portrait of Lenin in addition to the sickle and hammer, but the trouble is, they have long been sold out or destroyed.
      4. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 May 2020 09: 27 New
        +7
        everything can be bought. there would be a desire. the internet is huge choice. only that is not the point. Well, I’ll just explain it with my daughter’s example. she is a new generation. and the red flag means nothing to her. she understands everything quite literally. that there was such a country. that she won. but that’s all. I can’t get any more feelings from her. although I am very keenly interested in May 9 and the history of the family. but how to say ... not like I was in childhood. and modern colors are close to her, I realized when I bought a training uniform for her. we demand too much from young people. they will not have the same feelings as ours. all we can do is so that they remember the main thing. and the symbols of all world history were forgotten and erased. and then they reappeared. You just need to learn how to live in this world. without losing everything important along the way.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 May 2020 09: 45 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Where will you find the Banner of Victory now? One tricolor.

        The authorities do not want, and the people celebrate Victory Day.
      6. New Year day
        New Year day 11 May 2020 10: 38 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        This is sad if you recall who used this flag before.


        The counter-revolution has come true! The modern victory parade resembles surrealism: the White Guards with Vlasov’s flags in their hands and tsar’s St. George’s ribbons walk in front of the plywood that was clogged with plywood, and the bourgeois who destroyed and plundered the USSR take the parade.
        And the fact that all this is above is undeniable!
        The Coordinating Council of the popular procession "Immortal Regiment" of April 19, 2019:
        «not recommended " during the procession "Immortal Regiment" on May 9, 2019 "Use" of portraits of Generalissimo I. Stalin, marshals of Victory and Soviet symbols in the form of Soviet banners and the state flag of the Soviet Union "
        That is why the parade in Minsk was so pleasing to the eye.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 11 May 2020 10: 49 New
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          you don’t take much on yourself? you probably recognize the history of your country only from the age of 17? and before that Russia, as it were, or what? Why do you persistently call this flag Vlasov? did he create it and draw it? Did he make him state? If, to determine the national colors of Russia, we turn to the national taste and folk customs, to the peculiarities of the nature of Russia, then this way for our country will determine the same national colors: white, blue, red.
          The Great Russian peasant walks on a holiday in a red or blue shirt, Maloros and Belarus - in white; Russian women dress in sundresses, too, red and blue. In general, in terms of a Russian person - what is red is good and beautiful ...
          If we add to this the white color of the snow cover, in which all of Russia has been clothed for more than six months, then, on the basis of these signs, for the emblematic expression of Russia, for the Russian national or state flag, the colors established by Great Peter are most characteristic.
          The highest command to recognize in all cases the white-blue-red flag as national
          On April 29 (May 11), 1896, according to the report of Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich, who headed the naval department, Emperor Nicholas II “deigned to recognize the white-blue-red flag as a national flag in all cases,” but this decision was not made public for two years [121 ]. In accordance with this, on May 14 (26), 1896, the coronation of Emperor Nicholas II took place with many white-blue-red flags, draperies, etc. White-blue-red breast ribbons were handed out to the coronation participants, commemorative medals were awarded on white-blue red ribbons. That, however, did not stop the public on the day of the coronation "to admire the huge three-flagged flags of the state colors of black-yellow-white combination ... on one of the best streets of Kharkov" [118]. Article 1313 of the Maritime Charter of the Russian Empire in 1899 with black and white drawing the flag
          The highest decision was implemented by issuing ministerial orders: the order for the War Department No. 102 for the General Headquarters of May 9 (21), 1896 [122], as well as the circular of the Main Commandant's Office No. 28 of 1896 stating that the flags “must be prepared in exchange before harvested black-orange-white of the established national white-blue-red color ”[115]. On July 29 (August 10), 1896, eight new flags with the Russian tricolor at the base were approved [123]. In 1899, a new Maritime Charter was approved, prepared by a commission led by Admiral K. Pilkin. By article 1313 of this charter, the white-blue-red flag was designated as national (and not only commercial, as it was in the charter of 1885
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 May 2020 11: 02 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            you probably recognize the history of your country only from the age of 17? and before that Russia, as it were, or what?

            Do you want to say that the Russian army, led by emperors, also participated in the Patriotic War?
            Then decide - does the Red Army have to do with Victory? The history of the state, and the states are different, and the history of war are different things. It is your opinion that guides the authorities draping the mausoleum, removing Stalin, the name "Red Banner", etc. You can't be a little pregnant. Or a complete story, or a surrogate.
            The authorities that approved the new old flag knew about the White Guards and about Vlasov and, nevertheless, took this step. So what kind of authority is this? Hasn't the course of further events convinced you of the White Guard counter-revolution?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 11 May 2020 11: 15 New
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              where did i say that? I specifically asked why this flag is Vlasov? and what have the White Guards to do with it? what the hell is counter-revolution? why all this nonsense? my great-grandfather was officers of the Russian army. my grandfather is already Soviet. both were strong and decent people. Yes. great-grandfather did not fight in the Second World War. but he raised his son and educated those who then went through the whole war.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 11 May 2020 12: 27 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                I specifically asked why this flag is Vlasov? and what have the White Guards to do with it?

                that is, there was no White Guard movement with tricolor, and there was no Vlasov with tricolor?
                If the story is from emperors, then please, acknowledge these facts.
                Yes, the flag is old, yes, the White Guard and Vlasovites marched with them, and now the Russian army. In this case, there is nothing to be offended by. This is history. request
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 11 May 2020 13: 57 New
                  +4
                  this is history. I agree. and state symbols of the country in which we now live. And with what the Vlasov walked, I do not care much. he is nobody. and earned a rope for it. I repeat, if someone stole a symbol, this does not mean that he made it his. he just-stole it!
                  1. Sklendarka
                    Sklendarka 11 May 2020 16: 50 New
                    -3
                    You know, our white-and-white-white also has a history, but ... the palitsa in Belarus wore a bandage of the same color on their sleeves ...
                    Draw your own conclusions.
                    1. domokl
                      11 May 2020 17: 36 New
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                      Quote: Skalendarka
                      Draw your own conclusions.

                      I really want to draw conclusions. Please tell me in which region of Belarus the policemen wore such bandages and where did you get this information. It will be very interesting for me, as a grandson of the commander of a partisan detachment, to find out from these places ...
                      I will not apologize, but the Germans, unlike many other peoples, are pedants. And, according to the stories of his grandfather, policemen are always equally distinguishable. Even if the village policeman had no uniform, and the Germans also had this, the armband was obligatory. And she was strictly white. Otherwise, any German soldier had the right to shoot a subhuman with weapons on the spot .. You must be able to lie ... hmm ...
                      1. Ryazan87
                        Ryazan87 13 May 2020 12: 59 New
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                        The Belarusian regional defense (about 30 thousand fighters) used a white-red-white flag (officially authorized by the general commissar of "Belarus" on July 27, 1942) and the coat of arms "Pogonya". Also, the symbols of these colors, including the headbands, were actively used by the Union of Belarusian Youth.


                      2. Sklendarka
                        Sklendarka 14 May 2020 21: 34 New
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                        Quote: Ryazanets87
                        The Belarusian regional defense (about 30 thousand fighters) used a white-red-white flag (officially authorized by the general commissar of "Belarus" on July 27, 1942) and the coat of arms "Pogonya". Also, the symbols of these colors, including the headbands, were actively used by the Union of Belarusian Youth.



                        Thanks for the help, and then too lazy to prove. Thanks again ...
                    2. Sklendarka
                      Sklendarka 14 May 2020 21: 37 New
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                      Quote: domokl
                      Quote: Skalendarka
                      Draw your own conclusions.

                      I really want to draw conclusions. Please tell me in which region of Belarus the policemen wore such bandages and where did you get this information. It will be very interesting for me, as a grandson of the commander of a partisan detachment, to find out from these places ...
                      I will not apologize, but the Germans, unlike many other peoples, are pedants. And, according to the stories of his grandfather, policemen are always equally distinguishable. Even if the village policeman had no uniform, and the Germans also had this, the armband was obligatory. And she was strictly white. Otherwise, any German soldier had the right to shoot a subhuman with weapons on the spot .. You must be able to lie ... hmm ...

                      My father also partisan (detachment named after Frunze) from 41 to 44.
                      They showed you a photo below, are you satisfied?
                      Satisfied? I'm waiting for an apology!
          2. Moore
            Moore 11 May 2020 11: 32 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            Do you want to say that the Russian army, led by emperors, also participated in the Patriotic War?

            You want to say that if there were no Russian or Soviet standards on the shores of Lake Peipsi or Kulikovo Field, you don’t need to remember them?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 11 May 2020 12: 28 New
              +6
              Quote: Moore
              if there were no Russian or Soviet standards on the shores of Lake Peipsi or Kulikovo Field - do you need to remember them?

              necessary! But this is something else! We are talking about the banner of the Victory of 1945 and about today. Defeated with the Red Banner - so please wear it every May 9! This is history. And the Red flag on the Kulikovo field did not raise, let those banners remain there
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 11 May 2020 13: 16 New
                +3
                The Russian army has its own attributes. legal and accepted. and yet a famous group such as Preobrazhentsev comes out with the Banner of Victory every year. moreover, it is considered a promotion and the best come with it. Further Guards units and educational institutions come with battle flags. Have you even seen one parade normally? open last year for example and see. so they are worn every year. each. look at Tamantsev. on Kantemirovtsev. to pieces with history and look at their famous groups. armored vehicles opens 34 with the Red Banner.
          3. 16329
            16329 11 May 2020 11: 54 New
            -10
            During World War II, the main "counter-revolutionary" was Joseph Stalin, who returned the gold epaulettes, guards, canceled the anthem of the International, restored the Patriarchate and allowed the church to be opened.
            The Red Commanders were renamed as officers, officers appointed orderlies, orderlies, senior officers were given a hectare of land upon retirement after the war, etc.
            I.V. Stalin was the main restorer-counter-revolutionary, it is a pity he did not have time to complete his plans to remove the party from power and turn it into a public organization, but its entourage was afraid of new purges and eliminated its leader, naturally with the support of "international forces" , as is customary in any mode
        2. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 11 May 2020 11: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: carstorm 11
          you don’t take much on yourself? you probably recognize the history of your country only from the age of 17?

          Oddly enough, I agree.
          The Great October Socialist Revolution and Victory in the Great Patriotic War are inseparable.
          The Great October Socialist Revolution, an event of planetary proportions, gave the world hope for justice. Delivered a person from a sense of inevitability of a humiliated state.
          Before her there was a good Russian soldier, who, under the leadership of Excellent officers, fought heroically and skillfully. And under the leadership of bad officers, he participated in Tsusima and Austerlitz ...

          The Soviet Union almost finished it, but gave birth to the embryo of a new person. And these pioneers and Komsomol members fought to death in any conditions, even beyond the limits of life.
          They defeated the fascists of the united states of Europe.

          Speaking of tsarist Russia.
          Her glorious history ended much earlier than the introduction of the tricolor - in the times immediately after Catherine the Great ... And then rare successes were interspersed with failures.
          And it’s a shame to even remember the times of Nicholas the Bloody ....

          Toast:
          For the invincible and legendary Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army and Red Fleet!
          Three times, twice briefly, the third lingering, with a whistle and with overflows, each rollingly and loudly ... Hooray! Hooray! Hooray - a - a - a - a !!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 11 May 2020 13: 11 New
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            Quote: Sergey S.
            And it’s a shame to even remember the times of Nicholas the Bloody ....

            In order to remember, first you need to know something. Otherwise, the language would not have turned to call him "bloody".
            1. Alf
              Alf 11 May 2020 23: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Obliterator
              In order to remember, first you need to at least know something.

              Well, call it success. Only specifically, with figures and facts.
              1. Alf
                Alf 11 May 2020 23: 57 New
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                Quote: Alf
                Quote: Obliterator
                In order to remember, first you need to at least know something.

                Well, call it success. Only specifically, with figures and facts.

                As I understand it, the minus is evidence; other successes of Nikolashka are not given?
              2. Obliterator
                Obliterator 12 May 2020 00: 20 New
                -1
                You can read about successes and failures yourself, if interested. I just wanted to clarify that no matter how bad a sovereign he may be, the nickname "Bloody" does not suit him in any way. He had no direct relation to the victims of Khodynka and Bloody Sunday. The victims of both these tragedies were paid money from the accounts of the imperial house. Agree that such behavior is not typical for "bloody tyrants". Well, after the fall of the monarchy, both the Reds and the Whites, in just a couple of years, not even hostilities, but precisely terror, ruined souls many times more than in all the years of the reign of Nicholas II. About what happened 20 years later, I generally keep quiet. As they say, everything is learned by comparison.

                By the way, I didn’t set you the way.
                1. victor50
                  victor50 12 May 2020 01: 17 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  He had no direct relation to the victims of Khodynka and Bloody Sunday.

                  Like Gorbachev later "did not know" what his subjects were doing without his knowledge ?! Why should the ruler know about some "little things" ?! request Yes, even the saint .. or almost.
                  1. Obliterator
                    Obliterator 12 May 2020 21: 13 New
                    -1
                    Quote: victor50
                    Like Gorbachev later "did not know" what his subjects were doing without his knowledge ?! Why should the ruler know about some "little things" ?! Yes, even a saint .. or almost.

                    Knowing and having personal control over a situation are two different things.
                    1. victor50
                      victor50 13 May 2020 03: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Obliterator
                      Knowing and having personal control over a situation are two different things.

                      And why such a leader? request
                2. Alf
                  Alf 12 May 2020 19: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  By the way, I didn’t set you the way.

                  By the way, I, too, respect worthy opponents.
                  And what about
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  He had no direct relation to the victims of Khodynka and Bloody Sunday.
                  read Bushkov’s very interesting dilogy The Red Monarch, the first book there, the behavior of Nikolashka and his entire family right after Khodynka is very well described by FOREIGN ambassadors.
                  1. Obliterator
                    Obliterator 12 May 2020 21: 32 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Alf
                    read Bushkov’s very interesting dilogy The Red Monarch, the first book there, the behavior of Nikolashka and his entire family right after Khodynka is very well described by FOREIGN ambassadors.

                    In general, I have already made up my opinion about Nicholas II. Now I mostly listen, not read, because work allows. On the Radio Mayak website there are a lot of programs on a historical theme, and specifically to the reign of Nicholas II and the collapse of the Russian Empire, there is a wonderful voluminous cycle of programs "In the Name of the Revolution" for dozens of hours of timing. The presentation of the material, in my understanding, is neutral, without shielding any of the sides.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 12 May 2020 21: 36 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Obliterator
                      The presentation of material in my understanding is neutral, without fencing off any of the parties.

                      Listen ...
            2. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 12 May 2020 03: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Obliterator
              In order to remember, first you need to know something. Otherwise, the language would not have turned to call him "bloody".

              I didn’t call it ...
              These are the people after the coronation procedure and the crush on the Khodynka field.

              Study your native history, and do not be so arrogant.
              And then again you will find yourself in a funny situation.
              1. Obliterator
                Obliterator 12 May 2020 21: 33 New
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                Quote: Sergey S.
                I didn’t call it ...
                These are the people after the coronation procedure and the crush on the Khodynka field.

                I am aware that you are not. But I do not understand why repeat the speculations of the townsfolk.
                1. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 12 May 2020 23: 18 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  But I do not understand why repeat the speculations of the townsfolk.

                  I am sure that you can find a variety of responses to each of the historical events.
                  I know what I'm talking about, I worked in archives.
                  The question is who to believe.
                  Oddly enough, but real life convinced me that a simple vote even of non-professionals very often gives the right result.

                  Therefore, if the people are rooted that Nicholas is bloody, then there is a reason.
                  Silidarizing with the people, in my posts it is this nicholas with a small letter.
                  By the way, and for bringing the country to revolution, he is also to blame ....
                  1. Obliterator
                    Obliterator 13 May 2020 00: 35 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    I am sure that you can find a variety of responses to each of the historical events.

                    I agree.
                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    Oddly enough, but real life convinced me that a simple vote even of non-professionals very often gives the right result.

                    Real life convinced me that the layman in his mass does not understand properly anything at all, except what he does in life and what he spends time on. And to deceive and mislead him is relatively easy in those issues that he does not own at a professional or semi-professional level.
                    Due to my official position, I sometimes have to take part in high-profile events of a regional scale, which are then written about in the media, and which people then actively discuss on the Internet. I will tell you that the information is often served at random, and people from this draw such "conclusions" that it is simply sickening to read. Broken phone in all its glory.
                    Quote: Sergey S.
                    Silidarizing with the people, in my posts it is this nicholas with a small letter.
                    By the way, and for bringing the country to revolution, he is also to blame ....

                    I will not argue with you about this. He is not a leader in his personal qualities, he did not possess charisma, and in times of crisis and an era of change, such as the beginning of the twentieth century, such people should not be at the helm. At the same time, during the peaceful years of his reign, economic growth was solid, and the reforms were carried out in such a way that Western opponents too cautiously recognized their successes, and he began to provide civil and political freedoms to society. As a result of his initiatives, the Hague conventions on the laws and customs of war were adopted. Can you imagine the daughters of the current rulers working as military nurses in military hospitals? Exactly. And the great princesses worked - upbringing, s. So he wasn’t such a dummy.
                    1. Sergey S.
                      Sergey S. 13 May 2020 01: 27 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Obliterator
                      At the same time, during the peaceful years of his reign, economic growth was solid, and the reforms were carried out in such a way that Western opponents too cautiously recognized their successes, and he began to provide civil and political freedoms to society.

                      About economic growth, this is even a tougher tale than about a bloody one ...
                      Everything is relative...
                      By 1916 it was already clear that our super-industrialists had done their best.
                      We scored orders ... and could not fulfill them ...

                      But you have to make excuses ...
                      At one time, the Putilovites were set up under the priest of Gapon ...
                      And they went to the king, allegedly disrupting the work of factories beyond the Narva outpost.
                      But these are rumors, I myself have not seen ...
                      But Nobile’s explanatory note that the construction of the diesel engine was not completed due to the fact that the workers went to the strike. I read it myself ...
                      And the Nobiles had the best conditions in Russia for workers ....

                      Nicholas had such an industry.
                      And so the rights to freedoms were applied.
                      Complete lack of professionalism.

                      Quote: Obliterator
                      As a result of his initiatives, the Hague conventions on the laws and customs of war were adopted.

                      So what?
                      It turned out to be complete hypocrisy.
                      That is, these conventions acted selectively.
                      For white people, well-oooh!
                      Quote: Obliterator
                      Can you imagine the daughters of the current rulers working as military nurses in military hospitals?

                      I can not.
                      In World War II, the sons of the first persons of the country and the CPSU (b) fought with lieutenants ... and died ...
                      Even the son of Stalin.
                      And in Afghanistan, the children of the generals died ...
                      And on the boats the children of the admirals perished ...
                      God forbid, again, it will come to the mass participation of girls in a new war.
                      And not only in hospitals, but also at the forefront.
                    2. Obliterator
                      Obliterator 13 May 2020 20: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Sergey S.
                      About economic growth, this is even a tougher tale than about a bloody one ...
                      Everything is relative...
                      By 1916 it was already clear that our super-industrialists had done their best.
                      We scored orders ... and could not fulfill them ...

                      But you have to make excuses ...
                      At one time, the Putilovites were set up under the priest of Gapon ...
                      And they went to the king, allegedly disrupting the work of factories beyond the Narva outpost.
                      But these are rumors, I myself have not seen ...
                      But Nobile’s explanatory note that the construction of the diesel engine was not completed due to the fact that the workers went to the strike. I read it myself ...
                      And the Nobiles had the best conditions in Russia for workers ....

                      Nicholas had such an industry.
                      And so the rights to freedoms were applied.
                      Complete lack of professionalism.

                      What you wrote does not contradict my words.
                      Quote: Sergey S.
                      So what?
                      It turned out to be complete hypocrisy.
                      That is, these conventions acted selectively.
                      For white people, well-oooh!

                      If something worked, it’s already good. Or do you think that the war does not need legal regulation at all?
                      Quote: Sergey S.
                      I can not.

                      Only the Second World War is not modernity, but a past era.
                  2. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 15 May 2020 15: 18 New
                    0
                    In 1909, the comrade (deputy at the time) of the Minister of Internal Affairs, Prince Lopukhin and the general of the gendarme corps Vinogradov, provided Nicholas II with a memorandum with a draft reform of 15 points and warned that if at least half of them were not implemented, the revolution was inevitable by 1917. The king imposed a resolution: "Leave without consequences." Neither Lopukhin nor Vinogradov could be suspected of Bolshevism. The Lopukhin family is much older than the Romanov family. About the growth of industry. Shell, rifle, cartridge, machine-gun famines of the Russian army. Before the war, Russia built 7 dreadnought battleships. England-before and during the war-56, USA-28. Light machine guns were not produced in Russia at all. The first tanks were invented in Russia - Porokhovshchikov, VD Mendeleev, Lebedenko. But not a single serial tank was built. England and France were building hundreds of tanks at this time. The first automata were invented in Russia by VG Fedorov. But the king did not give permission for mass production (he said that the factories would not be able to provide them with cartridges). In G. Fedorov ON HIS OWN money armed one company of the Izmail regiment with automatic rifles and another company of the same regiment with automatic rifles of his own invention. And the king at this time was buying Arisaka rifles from Japan. In 1918, the Bolsheviks FIND an opportunity to produce Fedorov assault rifles in Kovrov and build the first Soviet tanks (copies of Renault FT17) in Nizhny Novgorod.
                  3. Obliterator
                    Obliterator 15 May 2020 21: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    In 1909, the comrade (deputy at the time) of the Minister of Internal Affairs, Prince Lopukhin and the general of the gendarme corps Vinogradov, provided Nicholas II with a memorandum with a draft reform of 15 points and warned that if at least half of them were not implemented, the revolution was inevitable by 1917. The king imposed a resolution: "Leave without consequences." Neither Lopukhin nor Vinogradov could be suspected of Bolshevism. The Lopukhin family is much older than the Romanov family.

                    And what was even written there? If they offered something there that would severely limit the autocracy’s power, it was logical that the king sent them away. Of course, they were hardly Bolsheviks in particular, and leftists in general, but, I suppose, they could have been Western liberals who want to see the British-style monarchy in RI, which Nikolai would never tolerate.
                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    Shell, rifle, cartridge, machine-gun famines of the Russian army.

                    Shell and cartridge overcame in 16 year.
                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    Before the war, Russia built 7 dreadnought-type battleships. England-before the war and during her-56, USA-28.

                    To whom is more important. The British ground forces were much more modest than ours.
                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    The first machines were invented in Russia by G. Fedorov. But the king did not give permission for mass production (he said that the factories could not provide them with cartridges).

                    As far as I know, this was not said by the tsar, but by one of the generals, sharply opposed to machine guns as a class of small arms.
                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    The first tanks were invented in Russia-Porokhovshchikov, VD Mendeleev, Lebedenko. But not a single production tank was built. England and France at that time built hundreds of tanks.

                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    In 1918, the Bolsheviks FOUND the opportunity to produce Fedorov assault rifles in Kovrov and build the first Soviet tanks (copies of Renault FT17) in Nizhny Novgorod.

                    It only means that the production of these weapons for one reason or another (of a political or economic nature) was not planned in the defense order program. If the Bolsheviks already began to do all this in the year 18, then there were already suitable production capacities for this in the country.
                  4. Sergey S.
                    Sergey S. 18 May 2020 07: 29 New
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                    Quote: Obliterator
                    Quote: boris epstein
                    Before the war, Russia built 7 dreadnought-type battleships. England-before the war and during her-56, USA-28.

                    To whom is more important. The British ground forces were much more modest than ours.

                    The British not only built the fleet, but also tanks, planes ...
                    Moreover, there are about 10 times more aircraft than Russia.
        3. eskulap
          eskulap 18 May 2020 02: 32 New
          0
          Not the people called, but the Jewish-Masonic clique - the press and the bourgeois
      7. Revival
        Revival 12 May 2020 16: 16 New
        +1
        A rag, and contemporaries called it bloody, they clearly knew better
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 11 May 2020 16: 12 New
      +1
      ,, from taiga to British
      of the seas
      The Red Army is the strongest of all .. "
      Hurrah!
  2. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 12 May 2020 05: 09 New
    0
    Approved eight new flags with Russian tricolor based

    "Tricolor" - it is French, the Russian flag was called "besik".
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 May 2020 19: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Approved eight new flags with Russian tricolor based

      "Tricolor" - it is French, the Russian flag was called "besik".

      True, but for some reason in the current Russian media it is called precisely the tricolor.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 13 May 2020 11: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Alf
        True, but for some reason in the current Russian media it is called precisely the tricolor.

        Unfortunately, these are "non-Russian" media.
        1. Alf
          Alf 13 May 2020 19: 03 New
          0
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Quote: Alf
          True, but for some reason in the current Russian media it is called precisely the tricolor.

          Unfortunately, these are "non-Russian" media.

          And there is nothing to argue.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 11 May 2020 10: 58 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    with vlasov flags

    Victory Flag - Red! And in this vein, the tricolor is not pleasing to the eye ....
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 May 2020 11: 00 New
    -16
    and as I understand it, you have never read what this procession in general is and what the creators wanted from it. all that you just said is completely beyond the scope of this promotion and why it was created. 6. It is strictly unacceptable to mix the Immortal Regiment with the political actions of parties, use the period of preparation and holding of the Immortal Regiment as an occasion for public relations of politicians and officials at various levels. Columns of the Regiment should remain free from political, corporate, confessional symbols. The participation of the leaders of the region should occur exclusively as ordinary participants in the procession in a common column, eliminating the possibility of "self-PR" in the forefront.
    read. study. Google to the rescue. staged another rally from scratch ...

    7. Special attention should be paid to the speculative use by a number of political forces of the attributes of wartime - red flags - and portraits of military leaders and leaders of the country during World War II. The portrait of the marshal in the hands of great-grandchildren is a manifestation of personal memory, but the replication of these symbols and portraits is an attempt to privatize the Immortal regiment, turning it from a public phenomenon into an appendage of a particular party or political movement.
    this is on the home page of the Immortal site shelf. and the fact that the communists of all stripes in the country are satisfied with this is cheap and vile PR, nobody forbids anything. it’s a personal matter for everyone to wear a symbol that is dear to him. but the party crowd who came to the show to arrange a completely different thing. HYIP create on people as usual. I am ashamed not to see this.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 May 2020 12: 55 New
      +8
      Quote: carstorm 11
      I am ashamed not to see this.

      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 May 2020 13: 48 New
        -5
        Another PR. I do not need these videos. I’m just telling you that the Communists came up with a new show. PR campaigns on the Immortal Regiment. all newspapers. all sites. in general, all of the red color on his eve arranged a political tramp. . although this stock has a clear charter. in which there is no place for political addiction. and there are no bans. and here again, instead of celebrating a great holiday, the eccentric organized a show with a bunch of names of heroes for the sake of his political predilections. it's disgusting. and it is so striking to everyone around that it is amazing. Once again, go to their sites. their pages and read what the Immortal Regiment is. carefully. all items. and what are you personally doing now for example. there nobody forbids anyone. I can’t carry a portrait of Stalin. I'm not his relative !!!
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 11 May 2020 17: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          although this stock has a clear charter

          and why?
          The movement in its modern form was initiated in 2012 in Tomsk by journalists Sergey Lapenkov, Sergey Kolotovkin and Igor Dmitriev. There, in Tomsk, the popular movement was called "Immortal Regiment", the Charter of the Regiment was created, which formulated the principles of the movement as a non-profit, non-political, non-state civil initiative.
          But then, this idea was privatized and politicized by those who are now leading the column.
          And the presence of a column of portraits of Stalin and the Marshals of the USSR, the Red Banners - this is not politicization, but a tribute to those days and those heroes. And their portraits should be next to the portraits of warriors carried by people, for they were all in the same trench.
          And in your version, neither Stalin, nor Zhukov, nor the Red Banner have the right to be near these soldiers
          So clearer?
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 12 May 2020 05: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          I can’t carry a portrait of Stalin. I'm not his relative !!!

          I can! Stalin is "the father of all peoples"!
    2. Alf
      Alf 11 May 2020 23: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      it’s a personal matter for everyone to wear a symbol that is dear to him.

      And what does nicholas have to do with the Immortal regiment?
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 11 May 2020 11: 41 New
    16
    "Not recommended" during the "Immortal Regiment" march on May 9, 2019 "use" of portraits of Generalissimo I. Stalin, marshals of Victory and Soviet symbols in the form of Soviet banners and the state flag of the Soviet Union "

    This is strong. Celebrate the victory of the Soviet Union, but without the symbols of the Soviet Union and its marshals and Stalin. They themselves renounced the Marshals of Victory, and then we are offended by the Czechs who demolished the monument to Konev.
  • Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 12: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    The modern victory parade resembles surrealism: the White Guards with Vlasov flags walk in front of a piled Mausoleum

    The Vlasov flag looks like Andreevsky, not who did not hang it. In ROA, tricolor was used by General Smyslovsky.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 May 2020 12: 50 New
      +4
      The use of a white-blue-red three-lane flag was recorded at the construction of the ROA soldiers in Münsingen on February 16, 1945. This episode is described in detail by J. Hoffmann in his History of the Vlasov Army, in particular, it is noted that on that day “the Russian national flag was hoisted, which was simultaneously hoisted in all places of the ROA’s cantonment,” and at the construction the soldiers “began to rip off uniforms German eagles "
      Only in May 1945 (a few days before the end of the war) it was possible to say that the soldiers of the ROA really everywhere began to use the white-blue-red three-lane flag, including in clashes with the Wehrmacht. According to J. Hoffmann: “On the night of May 6, the divisional headquarters and representatives of the Bartosz group assigned the objectives of the attack in Prague. Since the soldiers of the 1st Division were in German uniforms, they decided to provide them with tri-color - white-blue-red - flags ”



      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 13: 04 New
        0
        About the Russland division. The commander of this unit, Smyslovsky, had a serious conflict with Vlasov, who spoke sharply about her. Vlasov was against using the tricolor as the "flag of the White Guards." Vlasov himself fought against Wrangel in 1920. In addition, the White Guards themselves hated Vlasov: he fought against them in civilian war, he was a former red general, a Bolshevik, a communist (since 1930), a traitor-defector, and so on. The flag of the ROA proper was a white flag with an oblique azure cross, best known as Andreevsky.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 May 2020 13: 07 New
        -5
        if some creature uses some kind of symbols, it dishonors it and does not make it its own.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 13: 12 New
          -2
          The same can be said about the French, they have flags of the SS Charlemagne division all over the country and nothing, they live for themselves and do not bother. Someone in France today demands to remove them, like the flags of collaborators? No one!
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 11 May 2020 13: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            The same can be said about the French, they have flags of the SS Charlemagne division all over the country and nothing, they live for themselves and do not bother.

            Officially flag of the French Republic

            approved on October 4, 1789 by Louis XVI and has not changed to this day.
            Our Red Flag has become a symbol after the revolution.
            The difference is obvious.
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 13: 53 New
              0
              This is all clear. In Russia, too, in 1668, the first Russian warship "Eagle" was launched, on which, by decree of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, a white-blue-red flag with a double-headed eagle sewn on it was raised. Peter I approved the tricolor flag as a distinctive sign of the ships of the Russian fleet. And the fact that the tricolor used nits from the "Russland" division does not matter.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 11 May 2020 21: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                And the fact that the tricolor used nits from the "Russland" division does not matter.

                That's just, if nits and the "Normandie-Niemen" fought under the same flag, then the ROA and the Red Army - under different
          2. Quzmi4
            Quzmi4 11 May 2020 15: 21 New
            +1
            This is because the national flag of France did not change in the 20th and 21st centuries.
          3. Revival
            Revival 12 May 2020 16: 26 New
            0
            So the French gave up in a few days, a "good" example of course
        2. victor50
          victor50 12 May 2020 01: 24 New
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          if some creature uses some kind of symbols, it dishonors it and does not make it its own.

          And our soldiers in World War II experienced front veneration when and if they met? lol
  • Quzmi4
    Quzmi4 11 May 2020 15: 13 New
    +2
    Sorry! And on the block of the Order of Glory and the medal "For Victory over Germany" is it not St. George's ribbon?
    For tricolor, I will say this: for thousands of years the swastika was a sacred solar (SUN, Karl!) Sign, but Hitlerite Germany managed to completely discredit it for 12 years. Similarly, the Vlasovites ...
    1. Revival
      Revival 12 May 2020 16: 27 New
      0
      On the block of the Order of Glory and the medal "For Victory over Germany" not the St. George ribbon, but the Guards
  • Alf
    Alf 11 May 2020 23: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    The Coordinating Council of the popular procession "Immortal Regiment" of April 19, 2019:
    "Not recommended" during the "Immortal Regiment" march on May 9, 2019 "use" of portraits of Generalissimo I. Stalin, marshals of Victory and Soviet symbols in the form of Soviet banners and the state flag of the Soviet Union "

    How then to understand IT?

    What does this have to do with WWII?
    1. Revival
      Revival 12 May 2020 16: 29 New
      +1
      As a shameful spot in this row, against the background of photos of heroes
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 May 2020 09: 11 New
    +2
    If so necessary, I would have sewed it myself if such a problem were bought. fellow
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 May 2020 09: 25 New
      23
      Stern State flag of the USSR, keep ....
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 May 2020 09: 34 New
        +6
        I added a plus sign.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 11 May 2020 09: 34 New
    14

    In my yard, too, was the real banner of Victory.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 May 2020 13: 01 New
      +7
      And where does the double-headed eagle in the Victory of 1945?
  • lwxx
    lwxx 11 May 2020 08: 57 New
    10
    It turned out to be a teacher at one of our universities.
    Another "professor" investing certain views in the minds of students. And then we wonder where modern youth has such an attitude both to memory and to the fatherland.
    1. Fanur Galiev
      Fanur Galiev 11 May 2020 10: 31 New
      +7
      Yes, I remember my teachers at the university. One was talking about rivers clogged with corpses, and the other about the fact that one prisoner was either a poet or some artist ordered the NKVD soldier to shoot him, and he obeyed him, because he could not resist the strength of such a MAN .... Hmm. ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 May 2020 09: 10 New
    +5
    Anything in the war, in other difficult situations happens, but not a single real commander wants the loss of his subordinates in vain. He has no intentions left alone, sacrificing everyone.
    There are complex, dangerous tasks that must be completed. Such a difficult and dangerous job for people who are called upon to defend!
    Society, the state, is obliged to protect its defenders from unfair libel !!!
    This must be done, all together, of course.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 May 2020 09: 14 New
    +8
    Foreign policy?
    Any striped citizen is sure that the boot of an American soldier brings democracy, justice and peace. Anywhere in the world! Because they are so tuned, they believe in it!
    Our policy, thanks to actions "from above" - ​​is innuendo, vague, sometimes false.
    It seems that ours are somewhere, but officially they are not! How to explain to Aunt Masha that her son died in Afghanistan / Egypt / Angola / Syria / Donbass ... If he, it seems, served in Ryazan? If he wrote that he planted trees and helps the locals?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 May 2020 02: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Any striped citizen is sure that the boot of an American soldier brings democracy, justice and peace. Anywhere in the world! Because they are so tuned, they believe in it!

      You know what? Really believe. And the soldiers believe. And worst of all, the government also believes. And Clinton believed, both Bush and Obama. Or they don’t believe, but they pretend to be worse. And most importantly - WHY ??? I understand that the Saddam of Iraq had to be shredded in half and halved, and Saddam should be solemnly hanged, but to build democracy there? And the Iraqis were asked if they needed her, and what would they do with her? And Afghans need democracy no more than they needed socialism in the 1980s. But no, we will drive them into the bright future with kicks and butts. As a result, hundreds of soldiers were laid down, billions of dollars were swelled (including my taxes), and there is no democracy and is not expected. That is, outwardly it seems that there is an election of the government, both the type of party and the type of free press, but in fact the same tribal way that it was, and even complicated by Islam. As a result, as soon as Obama withdrew his troops from Iraq, ISIS got into their place. Is this a healthy and sustainable democracy? It’s better to end on this, otherwise I’ll write one that will be banned.
  • Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 11 May 2020 09: 15 New
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    The Victory Day, which we celebrated in an environment close to military, not only showed the strength of our spirit, but also revealed many problems in Russian society. Our inaction in the fight against those who muddy the feat of our people during the Great Patriotic War, our condescending attitude to the external and internal enemies of Russia, our calm when it was necessary not to listen to the enemy, but simply to beat, bore fruit.
    The whole problem is that the fight against the memory of our Great Victory is not going on in the West, but here in Russia, and it is at the very top. We ourselves are struggling with our memory. Yes, yes it is we, at least by the fact that we go to the cinema to see these shitty masterpieces like "Lies" and support the producers of this cinema with a ruble. I don’t know how much, but people still walk. And everything comes from the very top. After all, someone allocates money from the budget for this, someone of the scriptwriters writes this abomination, someone claims, someone is producing, and someone agrees to play it.
    I don’t know how anyone, but personally for myself, I decided long ago that I would not go to the cinema under any circumstances. And here, on the pages of VO, I will also fight to the death with such as olgovich, shpakovsky and similar "whistleblowers".
    By the way, VO also contributes. On the one hand, we see Skomorokhov's revealing articles on the monuments to the Italian fascists in Rossosh, and on the other, in the same section, the story is printed with enviable regularity by Paskvili Shpakovsky. No, I understand, pluralism of opinions, freedom of speech and all that, but according to my feelings, it all smells very bad.

    In my hometown, on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the Victory, a memorial stella was installed. Everything would be fine, well done, but as always there is a nuance. Instead of the usual symbols of Victory (Red Star for example) in the center of the stella is knocked out ... what would you think? There is not a Red Star, not a banner with a sickle and a hammer, but some kind of cross of St. George! Explain to me why? And how to deal with it? Well, you will not begin to protest against the shrine, but the fact that this shrine was deliberately distorted is how is it? My grandfather absolutely didn’t fight for the double-headed eagle (whose symbol was put on the medal in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory) and for the George Cross.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 11 May 2020 10: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      some semblance of the cross of St. George! Explain to me why?

      character swapping is very serious! Russian valor and Soviet achievements are equalized in historical significance .... But Soviet achievements are already ideology, you know
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 11 May 2020 12: 33 New
      -7
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      shitty masterpieces like "Lies"

      Apparently you so decided to name the recently shown film "Rzhev". What exactly do you see as a lie in this film?
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 11 May 2020 14: 55 New
        +2
        ccsr (ccsr)
        Apparently you so decided to name the recently shown film "Rzhev". What exactly do you see as a lie in this film?
        With all due respect, I just don’t have time to paint all the anti-Soviet cliches of this shit-making masterpiece for you now.
        Find ten differences in the movies "Skylark" and "T-34". About the pearls of Russian cinema in the films "Bastards", "Indestructible", "Penal Battalion" and so on. Do you need to tell or do you know?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 11 May 2020 18: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          About the pearls of Russian cinema in the films "Bastards", "Indestructible", "Penal Battalion" and so on. Do you need to tell or do you know?

          I don't watch these trash films. But nevertheless, when you find the time, then all the same try to formulate claims, because in my opinion, out of everything that has been created in recent years, the film "Rzhev" is nevertheless created on the basis of the real memoirs of a front-line soldier, and does not pull on spreading cranberries ... By the way, even in Soviet times, not all films about war were respected by front-line soldiers - I know that for sure.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 11 May 2020 09: 16 New
    15
    And here is how our Slavic Czech brothers prepared for Victory Day.
    On the site of the monument to Marshal Konev, who saved Prague from total destruction (the Germans could well have recouped on yesterday's rebellious allies), the modern Yana Gusy put a two-meter toilet ...
    With mocking anti-Russian inscriptions ..
    .

    Isn’t it time to stick this tip of the bayonet into the duplex of the newly overstepped ally?
    Well, so far the bayonet of information ...
    1. Moore
      Moore 11 May 2020 11: 36 New
      10
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Isn’t it time to stick this tip of the bayonet into the duplex of the newly overstepped ally?
      Well, so far the bayonet of information ...

      You can’t ... It is, inexplicably a tambourine under your breath, to express deep concern.
      Well, or indignantly tweet in the style of Zakharova about impudent Saxon rudeness.
    2. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 11 May 2020 12: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      On the site of the monument to Marshal Konev, who saved Prague from total destruction (the Germans could well have recouped on yesterday's rebellious allies), the modern Yana Gusy put a two-meter toilet ...
      With mocking anti-Russian inscriptions ..

      They set the stage for a new liberation campaign ...
      But there is a non-military option.
      Nature does not forgive the weak and the vile.
      I suppose that the Czechs themselves will soon die out. Because they don’t need to live ... They obviously lost the meaning of life. And now in the next generations they will be Germans, Austrians, .... someone smarter, maybe Russian ...
    3. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 13: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Isn’t it time to stick this tip of the bayonet into the duplex of the newly overstepped ally?

      To begin with, we can recall how the Russians threw their allies, in particular the NNA of the GDR. Only filth could do so, because the NNA officers of the GDR were thrown into the street with a wolf ticket and canceled their length of service. Therefore, the Czechs are right in something. Traitors deserve this toilet monument.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 11 May 2020 18: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        To begin with, we can recall how the Russians threw their allies, in particular the NNA of the GDR.

        Indeed, they threw it because Gorbachev did not discuss the question of those Germans who honestly served the GDR, and they were simply expelled from the army, leaving some young officers in the Bundeswehr.
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Only filth could do so, because the NNA officers of the GDR were thrown into the street with a wolf ticket and canceled their length of service.

        This did not affect everyone, just those who had a length of service, were fired and given a small pension. Party workers received wolf tickets and those who held posts in the SED didn’t take them anywhere.
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Therefore, the Czechs are right in something. Traitors deserve this toilet monument.

        I don’t catch the connection - even now in Germany our monuments and burials are treated with care, and this is confirmed by those who were there in our time.
        In general, the film is excellent - the Germans are really the best military from the entire VD.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 May 2020 09: 37 New
    0
    If Western propaganda condemns us for something, then we are right .... basically ... of course, there may be nuances ...
  • knn54
    knn54 11 May 2020 09: 52 New
    0
    - No matter how you offend the West.
    Alas, tradition. And a little off topic.
    In 1972 he bought the novel "The Sword of Ares", where the author (his right) presents Attila as a Slavic boy BogDan Gatila (interpretation of the Scourge of God). Who later headed the union of Slavic tribes. Perhaps the Huns also entered the union.
    But in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine they were afraid that the "enlightened West" would perceive "bloody Attila" as a Slav and ordered to destroy the books that were not sold.
    After 20 years, I learned that the discontent was caused not by the text itself, but by the "comments" - numerous references to European and Arab historians who confirmed the non-Asian origin of Attila.
    As for the article, I will say one thing - we must, we are simply obliged, to save MEMORY.
    And as much as possible to reduce SLAUGHTER losses.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 May 2020 10: 08 New
    11
    Why our authorities do not protect our history, our honor, the honor of our grandfathers, who broke the ridge of the Nazis, I do not understand.
    Our power acts in the interests of our enemies, on Victory Day they only disguise themselves, and at the unicellular level they understand that as soon as they stop celebrating Victory Day, they will cease to be Power
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 11 May 2020 10: 36 New
    +8
    It was January, at night,
    Waiting all languishing,
    A soldier sat with his back
    Cold trench warming

    He pressed the rifle to his shoulder
    And clasped his hands in his body
    Trying to calm my trembling,
    Afraid to look at the white shroud

    And he lay before him
    In his silence blinding.
    Barbed wire smoke
    Swirling with chilling steel

    He knew - the order "Do not retreat,
    Hold on to death, which is strength, "
    And at home, a sister and mother are waiting
    That he will return unscathed

    What will circumvent his misfortune
    Crazy bullet will not touch,
    That he will return and then
    Spring will come and the color of lilac

    Two yellow cartridges in hand,
    Another hangs on my neck
    And tank lump in the distance
    To the front crawls out of the shadows

    Around him like spiders
    Foreign gray overcoats
    They go forward confidently
    Through the flakes of a white blizzard

    And the soldier is waiting for that scream in the night
    What sounds in your ears like a shot
    And the company will run forward
    Towards death for life

    And next to it the lieutenant sits,
    He is also young and beardless,
    He also looks into the darkness,
    And in the dark only the death of deserts

    More recent youths
    Yesterday, sitting at the desk,
    Sharp noses in ink
    Sniffling, bent over a notebook

    And he, an ordinary student,
    I looked, forgetting about notebooks,
    As a timid sun ray fell
    To a classmate sneakily

    Having put the cartridges into the store,
    Warming the palm of your breath
    The lipsman only asked:
    - Well, is it time? When will the chase?

    - Let them fit a little, -
    The lieutenant answered a little inaudibly.
    - Not that they will tear us apart,
    Mow as sparrows under a cherry

    And a white face
    Eyes strained in the dark.
    And there a formidable enemy sneaks
    And time lasts forever

    But now it’s time and he jumped up,
    And soared above the frozen trench,
    And he raised his hand up,
    And a loud scream in the night clogged

    And the silence rang
    For a moment, deaf soldiers
    Heavy dark wave
    Rolled forward

    There is nothing stronger than a bayonet
    A simple Russian soldier
    When forgetting pain and fear
    Goes forward to the machines

    He pulled the check and threw it into the tank
    Fighter of their grenades constellation
    And fell struck by a bullet in the chest
    And the unknown sank into the abyss

    Dark green wave
    I dared rat ranks
    But the price was heavy
    Half-dead bent in a shootout

    When the enemy was driven away
    Soldiers came back into the trenches,
    There's a lieutenant in a pool of blood
    Whispered "Thank you guys"

    And in hemp nurse
    Tinkering with a nurse
    Stretcher, cotton wool, two bandages
    War severe gifts

    The next morning the lieutenant died
    And buried with him
    Ordinary soldiers in their native land
    Simple placing a pillar above them

    And nameless fighters
    Left in the damp earth
    And at the foot of the mountain
    Here in the pioneers took

    Years passed, overgrown with grass
    The hill where the company beat to death.
    The bright star faded
    The edge of the obelisk squinted

    Other times have come
    And the whole district was empty
    People left, where
    Without remembering each other

    Severe enemy, cruel enemy
    Came and mowed Russia,
    Inhuman power
    With dashing experiments

    But they survived even then,
    As in the forty-first resisted,
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    But the executioners did not understand

    Parades again every year
    And salute those heroes
    That the world was saved from the beast
    And marched forward in a cohesive formation

    And in memory of their grandfathers,
    That they didn’t save themselves in the backyards
    Their grandchildren go to the parade
    In the exact same tunics

    And if anyone blames them,
    That they are too harsh
    Let him know, may the enemy come,
    But the Russians will drive away again
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert 11 May 2020 10: 39 New
    +8
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    And here is how our Slavic Czech brothers prepared for Victory Day.
    On the site of the monument to Marshal Konev, who saved Prague from total destruction (the Germans could well have recouped on yesterday's rebellious allies), the modern Yana Gusy put a two-meter toilet ...
    With mocking anti-Russian inscriptions ..
    .

    Isn’t it time to stick this tip of the bayonet into the duplex of the newly overstepped ally?
    Well, so far the bayonet of information ...

    Our authorities have erected a monument to Kolchak and are ready to put up Krasnov. Why should Czechs respect our heroes if we ourselves do not respect them?
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 11 May 2020 10: 42 New
    +7
    Why do ours die in Syria? Why are they dying?

    Why, in principle, it is understandable, but for what?
  • avia12005
    avia12005 11 May 2020 11: 20 New
    10
    Russian "liberals" and Ukrainian Banderites are twin brothers. Three "D" - decommunization, de-Sovietization and de-Russification - the basis of their ideology. In power in Kiev - Bandera, in power in Moscow - domestic "liberals". Therefore, the war in Donbass without Victory. Because it is necessary. And while it will be so, and not otherwise.
    1. pereselenec
      pereselenec 11 May 2020 11: 25 New
      +5
      Russian "liberals" and Ukrainian Banderites are twin brothers. Three "D" - decommunization, de-Sovietization and de-Russification - the basis of their ideology.


      Who on every ninth of May bashfully shields the mausoleum with plywood shields - Russian liberals or Ukrainian Bandera?
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 11 May 2020 14: 01 New
        +2
        The first to the applause of the second am
  • AAK
    AAK 11 May 2020 13: 02 New
    +2
    Colleagues, the leadership of the Russian Federation, to which we all (well, at least the majority of us) have delegated managerial powers, including and in the field of foreign policy, it can adequately, in our understanding, react to similar general trends and special cases only: a) if it has such an opportunity and b) if it has such a desire ... and here we see that of opportunities in general, no, and desires (including so that such opportunities appear) are not very much ..
    Each generation has its own war, one has the Great Patriotic War, one has Korea, Hungary or Czechoslovakia, one has Afghanistan, one has Chechnya, one has Donbass or Syria. Different states, different people, different wars, different values, different truths ...
    As for the disagreement of the majority of VO colleagues in their comments with the "status quo", I will allow myself to note that only three things can be done with any system: 1 - support, 2 - adapt, and 3 - fight the system ... You can ignore the system only when you are in another system, and even then not always .. So colleagues, your position in relation to the system and the ability to influence it, you will determine for yourself ...
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 May 2020 14: 39 New
      0
      Quote: AAK
      The leadership of the Russian Federation, to which we all (well, at least the majority of us) delegated managerial powers

      No dirt.
      The population of Russia is 148 million, for Vova, if not to doubt the official data, 56 million voted in the last election. And this is 38% of us. Not the majority, by no means
      1. domokl
        11 May 2020 17: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Not the majority, by no means

        The rest are worse than those for or against. This is the very swamp where it draws everyone ... Hataskrayniki, spineless scum ...
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 00: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          The rest <...> Khataskrayniks, spineless bastards ...

          Well, actually, in many ways - these are children and old people)). But. If you believe that evil tongues speak, then the unused voices of real "khataskrains" (citizens who already have the right and still have the opportunity to cast their votes, but neglect this), the system pulls up to the same 38%, as necessary.
  • thinker
    thinker 11 May 2020 13: 16 New
    +2
    Where is our reaction to the installation of the T-34 in a Nazi helmet.

    Where is the T-34? This micro-installation at the top of the column perfectly and symbolizes the role of the ROA in the liberation of Prague.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 May 2020 14: 29 New
    0
    If we take the combat losses of the USSR and Germany, then even in this version they are comparable. But there were also allies of the Germans. It was 1945, when Germany did not keep records of the dead at all.

    And you can recall that the Fritz attacked from Brest to Moscow (figuratively speaking), attacking to a large extent on unprepared defense lines, often simply not filled with troops, against a power that had not yet reached the military track. And we had to advance from Moscow to Berlin (which is already much longer), and to attack long and carefully prepared for defense lines filled with troops against a country whose economy had long been rushing at full speed along military tracks.
    It turns out a very interesting picture of the "effectiveness" of enemy actions.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 11 May 2020 14: 32 New
    +2
    At VO, the discussion about what happened to the Soviet Union does not stop.
    There are a lot of opinions, I offer my own, “biological”. Since I do not
    a biologist, and a telephone operator, please do not read patented biologists, or
    read with my eyes closed.
    So - there is a wonderful variety - "Russian" (from the type of Slavs).
    This great-great variety is highly resistant, surprisingly hardy.
    (almost invincible). Widespread in european
    and the Asian side. Feels good both in the Oymyakon region and
    in the Kushki area. Beneficial effect on neighboring species, less
    adapted to life, the proximity to the "Russian" leads to their accelerated
    development. Of the congenital defects, it is possible to note the property of individual
    individuals (the so-called counts, princes) capture most of the resources for themselves,
    leading to inhibition of a large number of other plants.
    Another famous variety is "American" (a type of Anglo-Saxon). Exclusively
    endurance-deficient productive variety
    aggressiveness. Extremely detrimental to other species, less
    adapted to life. Any kind of neighborhood with the "American"
    lead to severe rebirths, outbreaks of foci of mutation, degradation.
    No less famous is the German variety, highly organized and strong.
    It is characterized by extreme aggressiveness, the desire to capture neighboring
    areas for the purpose of their complete suppression. Pretty hardy - known
    about two cases of complete burning of its territory and its subsequent
    full recovery.
    At the beginning of the 20th century, an outstanding theorist created the Doctrine for further
    improving the variety "Russian", the purpose of which was to develop it
    him to the most advanced position in the world by enhancing his best properties
    and eradicating birth defects. Premature demise theorist
    brought to the top of the domestic science of the Brilliant Breeder, who
    with a large group of like-minded people (they were called the Bolsheviks)
    tremendous work on selection. In this case, unique methods were used.
    hardening in the Far North, Kolyma mines. Also wide
    the method of using products containing high-quality
    propaganda in large doses. Great work was done by special
    "Laboratories" in the basements on the Lubyanka. Individual plants with traits
    money-grubbing, degradation, individualism, ruthlessly destroyed. Job
    over the development of the variety "Russian" took more than one decade and
    accompanied by violent attempts at aggression by the aforementioned
    varieties. This aggression just showed the correctness of the chosen decisions and
    led to the most qualitative changes of the great-great variety, which were included
    the basis of the new HYBRID type "SOVIET". Rid of Congenital
    disadvantages, developed its unique positive properties, grade
    "Soviet", responding to aggression, utterly defeated the adversary, significantly
    expanded its range with the transition to most of its territory. In the after-
    blowing period of development, the variety "Soviet" showed unique results
    development, which led to attempts to transfer it to African and South
    American soil. This hobby, as well as resting on its laurels, led
    to a sharp weakening, or even a complete halt of work on further
    selection, signs of degeneration and degradation of this variety. Today
    every amateur gardener knows that selection is capable of creating
    miracles bred HYBRIDS give unique results - BUT ONLY
    in the FIRST replication. The greedy gardener who decided to save and persistently
    sowing seeds inherited from a hybrid variety gets a miserable
    a parody of the harvest. An abundance of poorly developed plants, with signs of degeneration,
    mutations and even ugliness, only he will get such a result.
    Accordingly, to talk about achieving high results, successful development,
    as well as the ability to continue to resist the aggressiveness of other species, with
    approach is impossible. I ended up, patented biologists can open their eyes.
    1. domokl
      11 May 2020 17: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Kushka
      Since I do not
      a biologist, and a telephone operator, please do not read patented biologists, or
      read with my eyes closed.

      The theory is so-so. As a telephone operator, I tell you this. Initially you did not understand why the "Russians" are tenacious ... You probably live in cities. You walk in the parks, exercise your exercise in these squares. But here in the taiga, any beardless kid knows, if you want to win back a plot on the edge of the taiga, start the Russians. Although they are not so beautiful in autumn, they are not so thick and juicy, but if they conquered the edge, then horseradish will already allow a pine or aspen forest there. Will grow and keep your plot for many years.
      And about selection. Have tried. There were so many different Michurins that they didn’t have time to memorize. These same Russians do not change ... And those that change become either Americans or Europeans. You also know these varieties, judging by the comment.
      Only these varieties do not survive in the taiga. Here we will either all live together, or we will die one by one. As one Frenchman and his neighbor at the grave, a German, who were buried a hundred years ago under a pine tree, said: - "Such is the Selyava, Ferstein?"
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 11 May 2020 18: 35 New
        +1
        Yes, I do not pretend. And about non-survivability, it is unmatched.
        Some German general said that a Russian could
        weeks to live in the forest, eat bark, sleep, standing on one
        leg and remain invincible (something like that). I am about
        total achievements of the Soviet people - after the WWII
        Russia predicted a backwardness for decades - it did not come true.
        After the Second World War, they almost buried. And in response to the launch of the satellite,
        the first earthling in space orbit. Today
        75th anniversary of the Victory. Excuse that unlike
        some who have not fought on their land for centuries
        no longer convinces. "Starting" conditions that no one else has on
        in the world - seas recount - need to be understood, a couple of oceans
        in addition. Oil, gas, forest is abundant, in Siberia lies
        the entire periodic table, with layers - one layer
        from A to Z, and on top the layer is the other way round (sorry, chemist I
        also bad), but there alone Yakutia with his head. Hard work
        tenacity 145 million pairs of hands, perhaps this
        not enough for success? My version of the answer was that there was one sort-
        "Soviet", and now apparently already different and in the first
        turn in the offices of the Kremlin. Fifth to tenth replication.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 12 May 2020 02: 25 New
      +1
      Alexander Ivanovich Polezhaev
      Four nations

      I

      British lord
      Proud of freedom -
      He is a citizen
      He is faithful son
      Native land.
      No kings
      Not the machinations of dads
      Bloody paws
      On the daredevil
      Sly
      Do not bring.
      Like the new Brutus -
      He carries a sword
      To claws whip.

      II

      French is a child
      He’s joking with you
      Destroy the throne
      And he will give the law;
      He is king and slave,
      Mighty and weak
      Proud of
      Impatient.
      He is quick as a look
      And empty as nonsense.
      And will surprise
      And laugh.

      III

      The German has dared
      But ripened
      In the cauldron of the mind;
      He is like a plague
      Neighboring countries
      Dead drunk,
      Himself in a cap
      Nose in tobacco,
      Ready to sit
      At least five centuries
      Over a bunch of books
      Bite the tongue
      And curse
      Father and mother
      Over a couple of lines
      Chaldean numbers
      Which sense
      I could not understand.

      IV

      In Russia they honor
      King and whip;
      There is a king with a whip
      How to pop with a cross:
      He lives them
      And he eats and drinks.
      And the merchants
      Like guys
      Open mouth
      All people
      Shout: “Hurray!
      It's time to beat us!
      We love the whip! ”
      But and beat
      Them like donkeys
      Without further words
      Both night and day
      Until laziness:
      The more beat,
      The more they reap
      What pitchfork in side
      That hay shred!
      And without a beat
      All Russia at least howl -
      And fall
      And disappear.

      1827
      1. gsev
        gsev 24 May 2020 18: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        In Russia they honor
        King and whip;

        In my opinion, the life of factory workers in Great Britain was no easier than the life of serfs in Russia at the time of writing this poem. In Russia under the tsar, wages for farm laborers did not differ by more than 10 percent from wages for farm laborers in Germany or France. Another thing is that in Russia the climate requires more pay. But the economy does not allow higher pay in an open market economy, and while maintaining market relations, the Russian worker and engineer should be poorer than their Tajik, Uzbek or Ukrainian counterparts.
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 11 May 2020 15: 19 New
    +3
    Why our authorities do not protect our history, our honor, the honor of our grandfathers, who broke the ridge of the Nazis, I do not understand.

    Elementary - the history of our country is not the history of our current power. Rather, she is hostile to her in all manifestations. Otherwise, how to explain the appearance of all kinds of commemorative tablets to one of the murderers of the Leningrad Mannerheim? Monument to the fascist henchman Krasnov? Spitting and defamation from TV screens and official media of the feat of the Soviet People, both during the Great Patriotic War, and before and after it?
  • Quzmi4
    Quzmi4 11 May 2020 15: 35 New
    +4
    By the way, amid the mass stupidity of citizens who have not found anything more appropriate than the tricolor ON VICTORY DAY, astronauts hung the Victory Banner on the ISS. And immediately my heart warmed: there - OUR!
  • bandabas
    bandabas 12 May 2020 00: 42 New
    +1
    Leaders try not to answer for anything. But, rake yourself the money. At the expense of the population.
  • victor50
    victor50 12 May 2020 01: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    The same can be said about the French, they have flags of the SS Charlemagne division all over the country and nothing, they live for themselves and do not bother.

    In the occupation, they did not bother much, for the most part. Slightly different tai and ours.
  • zenion
    zenion 12 May 2020 15: 33 New
    +1
    Spit not on victory, but on those who cling to it and began to consider it their victory.
  • gsev
    gsev 24 May 2020 18: 41 New
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    a white-blue-red flag was designated as national

    Your comment will not be complete, if not to say that for the first time in perestroika the tricolor was openly deployed by a member of the NTS. That is, it was given to Russia by the heirs of Voskoboinik and Kaminsky, who spilled rivers of blood of Soviet partisans in the Bryansk, Oryol, in Belarus and Warsaw.