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Hypersonic missile tests reported on Tu-22M3

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It became known about the tests of a hypersonic aircraft-based cruise missile.


TASS citing a source in the defense industry complex, it reports that the missile was launched by the crew of the supersonic missile carrier Tu-22M3.

It is indicated that the missile, the tests of which were carried out from the board of a long-range supersonic bomber, belongs to the X-32 missile line.

It is noted that work on a new rocket began several years ago.

The specific test results of the latest hypersonic missiles are not reported. It is said that such missiles will become the main armament of the modernized Tu-22M3M missile carriers.

Earlier it became known that hypersonic rocket weapon for the latest Russian fighter (refers to the 5th generation) Su-57.

Recall that today MiG-31 fighters possess hypersonic weapons. We are talking about the complex "Dagger", after the appearance of which in service with the aircraft received a new designation - MiG-31K. On May 9, several MiG-31Ks took part in the Victory Air Parade. A group of aircraft flew over Moscow.
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  1. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 May 2020 06: 25 New
    10
    The good news is striped enthusiastic.
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 11 May 2020 06: 34 New
      +5
      And we are so delighted that they are delighted good
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 May 2020 06: 37 New
        0
        I can’t say anything about you, but for sure that striped ones are delighted.
        1. Cyrus
          Cyrus 11 May 2020 07: 25 New
          -6
          Did they whisper it in your ear?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 11 May 2020 07: 27 New
            +2
            You just need to know their politicians and their reaction to our armory.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 11 May 2020 08: 31 New
              27
              The author writes without regaining consciousness. Distorted the news to the contrary!
              It is indicated that the missile, the tests of which were carried out from the board of a long-range supersonic bomber, belongs to the X-32 missile line.

              And here is what TASS wrote:
              "Recently, tests of a new hypersonic product on the Tu-22M3 have been carried out. The missile will be included in the range of weapons of the modernized Tu-22M3M, along with a number of other newest aviation weapons," said the interlocutor of TASS.

              The source noted that work on the new ammunition began several years ago, missile tests should be completed along with work on the modernized Tu-22M3M bomber.

              He clarified that this product does not belong to the X-32 line of missiles, noting that it is "completely different."
              1. ancient
                ancient 11 May 2020 12: 20 New
                -5
                Quote: Alex777
                The author writes without regaining consciousness. Distorted the news to the contrary!

                Here you posted the news which for sure ... "it's the opposite!
                It is the Tu-22M3 and the X-32 (which, by the way, is in service already in 2012).
                And Tu-22M3M, for your information, is still at the LCI stage (GC testing stage) as you like.
                Remember Professor Preobrazhensky and ... never forgetting him, reading another "noodles" from "urya-media" soldier
                PS To all ardent "plusovalschikam" the same it is strongly .. I recommend ..... otherwise, and in fact ... "you can believe in yourself"! soldier
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 11 May 2020 16: 39 New
                  +3
                  Reread the article before expressing your opinion.
                  Direct link to TASS.
                  TASS, citing a source in the defense industry complex, reports that the rocket was launched by the crew of a supersonic missile carrier
                  Tu-22M3.

                  And what TASS wrote - I have already quoted above.
                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8441847
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 11 May 2020 16: 56 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Reread the article before expressing your opinion.
                    Direct link to TASS.

                    Yes, I actually understand everything from the first .. "call" .. The article is almost correct ..... the same you gave the TASS link is complete .. RADIANCE.
                    Fully substantiated his opinion below in comments .... if interested, then read, and if not .. then of course .. fellow it’s better ... so it got better and the day passed on good
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 11 May 2020 17: 17 New
                      +4
                      A link to TASS is contained in the article under discussion.
                      So here you are definitely past.
                      The development of air-based Zircon has already been reported.
                      Just because the Tu-22M3 is armed with only 2, which you mentioned below, missiles does not mean that you cannot test a missile that is being prepared for use with the Tu-22M3M alone, prepared (prepared).
                      There is no specific test information. Maybe the mass-dimensional layout was brought?
                      If you deny it, then continue to live in your knowledge and doubts.
                      I’m not ready to seriously discuss the version that the launch of a rocket that has been in service for several years has been given to us for launching a new one. hi
                      And the last:
                      Viktor Bondarev, head of the Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, previously reported that the Tu-22M3M will be able to carry, in addition to the X-32 cruise missiles, hypersonic missiles.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 11 May 2020 17: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Just because the Tu-22M3 is armed with only 2, which you mentioned below, missiles does not mean that you cannot test a missile on one Tu-22M3 alone (prepared)

                        It’s possible, why not, but for this you need to HAVE the Tu-22M3 prepared for this ... don’t you find it? wink
                        And before you can ... "start" it you need to .. "a lot of time .. carry" ... don't you think?
                        MGM are not "allowed" but ... they are dropped ... the stage of "flight throw tests" is called.
                        Quote: Alex777
                        I’m not ready to seriously discuss the version that the launch of a rocket that has been in service for several years has been given to us for launching a new

                        Well, that's understandable .. "so modestly .. let's go backwards" ... I respect ... skillfully wink
                        The fact that the rocket has been in service for several years ... does not mean that it is already being "fully" exploited, since this is .... well, it’s like hammering nails with a microscope. missiles, combat capabilities need to radically "redraw" the equipment of the Tu-22M3 ... which is not in sight. recourse
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 11 May 2020 17: 34 New
                        +2
                        With polymers, everything is clear. bully
                        Well, that's understandable .. "so modestly .. let's go backwards"

                        I politely doubted your version. bully
                      3. ancient
                        ancient 11 May 2020 17: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        With polymers, everything is clear.

                        But where does .. "polymers" .... there is such a thing as FACTS and you know what is the worst thing? That you were given 21 "+" .... belay belay belay
                        This can only mean one thing ... or the site is no longer visited by adequate knowledgeable people, but only fellow -ki.or ....... well, we won’t talk about this .... crying
                        Quote: Alex777
                        I politely doubted your version.

                        And what will happen after a certain period of time, when everything "pops up" and it turns out that I am completely right? wink
                        And I already picked up the minuses like "......... fleas"
                      4. Alex777
                        Alex777 11 May 2020 18: 00 New
                        +1
                        Envy of the pros of others is not good. bully
                        As for your minuses - put others to them less and your life will improve. wink
                        And what will happen after a certain period of time, when everything "pops up" and it turns out that I am completely right?

                        If this happens, then at my age and with my experience it is not a problem to recognize someone else’s rightness. wink
                        But I strongly hope that a new rocket will be.
                        At a qualitatively new technological frontier, concentration on areas that provide a decisive advantage seems justified.
                        Do not get bored. hi
                        Threat What Bondarev said, you can continue to ignore.
                      5. ancient
                        ancient 11 May 2020 18: 17 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        To envy other people's pluses is not good

                        You do not understand .. I do not mean .. to envy .. but in the sense ... so many have become .. "lost".
                        Quote: Alex777
                        If this happens, then at my age and with my experience it is not a problem to recognize someone else’s rightness.

                        Well ... "let's see" wink
                        Quote: Alex777
                        But I strongly hope that a new rocket will be.

                        So we did not have a conversation about what will happen? wink
                        And it seems to be like ... what is there? lol
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Do not get bored.

                        Yes with such .. "news" and ...... fellow Are you bored? laughing
                        Quote: Alex777
                        What Bondarev said, you can continue to ignore.

                        To say ... not to build ... unfortunately ... but "talking heads" now ... of any stripes and .. "on a pack" wassat
                      6. Alex777
                        Alex777 11 May 2020 18: 28 New
                        +2
                        You do not understand .. I do not mean .. to envy .. but in the sense ... so many have become .. "lost".

                        The crown does not catch the ceiling?
                        So we did not have a conversation about what will happen? wink
                        And it seems to be like ... what is there? lol

                        I suggested that you read the article several times.
                        It's about testing a rocket which is not there yet.
                        It is only being developed for the Tu-22M3M.
                        And now there is no plane, no rocket. Everything is in the process. hi
                        To say ... not to build ... unfortunately ... but "talking heads" now ... of any stripes and .. "on a pack" wassat

                        Well yes. You have such experience that the ex-commander of the videoconferencing is not your authority. good
                      7. ancient
                        ancient 11 May 2020 18: 39 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Well yes. You have such experience that the ex-commander of the videoconferencing is not your authority.

                        The ex-commander in chief Bondarev ... maybe he saw the Tu-22M3, but ... he didn’t exploit it in any way ... although now the commander of YES is the same ... from attack aircraft and flies on the Tu-160s
                        .
                        Quote: Alex777
                        It's about testing a rocket which is not there yet.

                        You cannot experience what is not. especially for what, too .. until there is.
                        And if you "tie" it to "something" that already exists, then this is a very long way ... I am trying to explain this to you, but ... you stubbornly continue to believe in something ... "not real" by at least ... for now wink
                      8. bayard
                        bayard 12 May 2020 00: 24 New
                        +3
                        But you yourself confirmed that in 2012 there were tests of a mass-dimensional model of the airborne Zircon, with a discharge from the Tu-22M3. Is there really no progress in 8 years? How many times has the ground version flown? And they have already experienced it from the ship. But the first throw tests were with the Tu-22M3. After all, it was those tests that the US intelligence community issued as a full-fledged test. If "Zircon" is already confidently flying from land, what prevents to equip one of the Tu-22M3 in a flying laboratory and carry out tests from it?
                        Or do you have accurate data that this message from TASS and Bondarev ... is not quite what it really is? In principle, based on our previous communication with you, I won’t be surprised ... but on the other hand, by all accounts of common sense, it was high time to start such tests. A rocket flies from a ground stand for a long time.
                        And with the landing with two "Zircons" on the pylons, the M3M should do better than the existing version - the wing area was going to be increased.
  2. Alex777
    Alex777 11 May 2020 16: 54 New
    +2
    And my post in Russian is written:
    And here is what TASS wrote:
    "Recently conducted tests new hypersonic products on Tu-22M3. Rocket will go in the nomenclature of modernized weapons Tu-22M3M along with a number of other newest aviation weapons, "- said the interlocutor of TASS.
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 17: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex777
      And my post in Russian is written:

      So understandable ... but you are not subjecting this statement to the slightest skepticism, but just .. "relaying" it ... that's why it's not clear ... request
      The phrase - .. "senior ordered" ... does not resemble anything? wink
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 11 May 2020 18: 10 New
        +2
        The phrase - .. "senior ordered" ... does not resemble anything?

        My relationship with the army ended by the year 91. Reserve officer. hi
        From then to this day - I am the eldest for those with me.
        So here you too - by.
        Do not get personal. Do not. bully
        you are not subjecting this statement to the slightest skepticism, but simply .. "relaying" it ... that's why it's not clear ...

        I am ready to discuss. In a friendly atmosphere.
        Your arguments did not seem convincing.
        1. ancient
          ancient 11 May 2020 18: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex777
          My relationship with the army ended by the year 91. Reserve officer.

          And mine is December 28, 1999 ... and I am already in ... the "train", since the oath in September 1970 soldier
          Quote: Alex777
          From then to this day - I am the eldest for those with me.
          So here you too - by.

          Again, you didn’t understand ... I was pouring, as I was old, I began to express myself so stumblingly ... request recourse
          This refers to the fact that ....... "the party said it is necessary - the communist answered there is" wassat
          Quote: Alex777
          Do not get personal. Do not.

          And this generally does not apply to any person, and even more so to your hi
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 11 May 2020 18: 48 New
          +2
          This refers to the fact that ....... "the party said it is necessary - the communist answered there is"

          I read the article on my beloved VO carefully.
          But I read the TASS article to which there was a link even earlier.
          When I found discrepancies in the article on VO with the article to which there is a direct link, I wrote about it.
          What TASS outlined is not my position.
          You, too, have indicated your opinion. As I understand you, referring to someone, but at the same time changing the original meaning is normal.
          It’s strange. I don’t think so and I am interested in the quality of articles in VO.
          The rest: wait and see.
          We flooded us unmeasured. It's time to finish. hi
      2. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 18: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Alex777
        I am ready to discuss. In a friendly atmosphere.
        Your arguments did not seem convincing.

        And I'm always ready ... drinks
        But on this topic, I have already provided so many arguments and facts that further "convictions" can go beyond the 010 Order ... and this is ... too fraught ... however crying
    2. codetalker
      codetalker 11 May 2020 23: 58 New
      +3
      And here the "senior ordered." The fact is that the author of the article on this portal, referring to the news published in TASS, made a number of mistakes that significantly distorted the meaning of this news itself. No one knows about the veracity of the TASS material.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 12 May 2020 10: 57 New
        +1
        Judging by the perseverance of colleagues ancient, this is not a mistake, but a deliberate change in the meaning of the article in TASS.
        Therefore, such a long correspondence with us came out. hi
  • stalki
    stalki 11 May 2020 13: 51 New
    +1
    I think we need to wait for the official announcement of the representatives of the Ministry of Defense. And then disassemble. On their resources there is nothing like this yet.
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 16: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: stalki
      I think we need to wait for the official statement of the representatives of the Moscow Region.

      And they will not be ... well, if only to report that "military tests are being carried out in the N'th Aviation Regiment for the practical application of the new KR X-32".
      Quote: stalki
      On their resources there is nothing like this yet.

      And it won’t .. like this is a normal routine combat work wink
      1. stalki
        stalki 11 May 2020 18: 49 New
        +1
        It can also be a throw-in. hi
  • Runoway
    Runoway 11 May 2020 09: 20 New
    -9
    So far, such companies as Coca-Cola, King Burger, McDonald's are on the state support list
    While elite children give birth in Miami and study in London, they should not be afraid of Russian missiles
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 11 May 2020 08: 59 New
    0
    And according to their media, is it really impossible to navigate?
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 11 May 2020 16: 53 New
      -1
      According to their media, articles are usually bookmarked. With their help, as a rule, they are looking for talkers. And here they are enough. That will write the nomenclature of the enterprise. That "mistake" in the article will be corrected with an exclamation. They describe quite poor and practical actions. Sometimes the feeling is that the people, like a bullet from shit, took out the brain.
  • Procyon lotor
    Procyon lotor 11 May 2020 08: 47 New
    0
    “I am in admiration,” Pence sang monotonously, “we are in admiration, the presidency is in admiration.” “The President is delighted,” Esper snapped behind him. “I am delighted,” cried the national security adviser.
  • nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 11 May 2020 08: 58 New
    +3
    that is, do not catch sarcasm at all?
    Well, regrettably .....
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  • ancient
    ancient 11 May 2020 12: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Ros 56
    The good news is striped enthusiastic.

    And why is "she" this news so ... "good"? belay What did the launch of the "new rocket" X-32 accomplish? from a combatant Tu-22M3? request
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 12: 58 New
      +6
      Quote: ancient
      Quote: Ros 56
      The good news is striped enthusiastic.

      And why is "she" this news so ... "good"? belay What did the launch of the "new rocket" X-32 accomplish? from a combatant Tu-22M3? request

      What makes you think that you have tested the X-32 that has been adopted for a long time? They say that they passed the tests of a new hypersonic missile that is not related to the X-32.
      MOSCOW, May 11. / TASS /. Tests of a new hypersonic aircraft missile were recently conducted in Russia from the Tu-22M3 bomber-missile carrier. The missile is being created for a modified version of the Tu-22M3M aircraft, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.

      "Recently, tests of a new hypersonic product on the Tu-22M3 have been carried out. The missile will be included in the range of weapons of the modernized Tu-22M3M, along with a number of other newest aviation weapons," said the interlocutor of TASS.

      The source noted that work on the new ammunition began several years ago, missile tests should be completed along with work on the modernized Tu-22M3M bomber.

      He clarified that this product does not belong to the X-32 line of missiles, noting that it is "completely different." The interlocutor did not name the characteristics of the new missile.


      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8441847
      1. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 13: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        They say that tests of a new hypersonic missile not related to the X-32 have been tested.

        As Vakhtang Kikabidze said ... I think so wassat (but I think ... because I know bully )
        And I already wrote to you repeatedly ..... wink

        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 13: 59 New
          +4
          What is your skepticism based on? That it cannot be, because in your opinion it cannot be? What does Kikabidze have to do with it? request Try to argue more convincingly to justify your version, rather than a set of stamps about Soviet newspapers.
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 May 2020 15: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            What is your skepticism based on?

            Not skepticism, but the knowledge and experience of flying with D-2M, K-22 and K-22M systems
            .
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            On the fact that this can not be, because in your opinion it can not be?

            Anyone who reads my comments .. even the most ... "hard-to-reach" could already understand ... that I .. "understand" something in .. "this case" wassat
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            What does Kikabidze have to do with it?

            With humor, I understand you ... no way? tongue
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Try to argue more convincingly to justify your version

            Yes, where much more ... and so on the verge of ..... foul bully
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 12 May 2020 16: 58 New
              0
              Information for consideration:
              Comment bmpd.
              It can be assumed that a promising operational tactical hypersonic missile was tested from a Tu-22M3 aircraft, which, according to Western sources, is being created jointly by the head company of Tactical Missile Corporation Corporation in Korolev and GosMKB Raduga in Dubna as part of the program "Hypersonic guided missile" (GZUR).

              The Western press reported that the GZUR is a rocket with a speed of M = 6 and with a flight range of 1500 km when flying along a high-altitude profile. The rocket is 6 m long and weighs about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has a primarily anti-ship purpose. The rocket is equipped with a ramjet engine "Product 70", developed by PJSC "TMKB" Soyuz "in Turaevo, and is equipped with a combined active-passive radar homing head, known as" Gran-75 ", which is being developed by JSC" Ural Design Bureau " Detail "in Kamensk-Uralsky; a broadband passive channel (Gran-75PK) for this seeker is being created by the Central Design Bureau of Automation (TsKBA) in Omsk. Granu-75 refers to a modification of the Gran-K homing head used in the Kh-35U tactical anti-ship missile.

              In 2017, the Western press reported that, according to sources in Russian industry, by 2020 it was assumed that the GZUR rocket would be mass-produced at a rate of “up to 50 products per year.” Thus, the rocket was at the test stage in 2017, however, the TASS message above indicates that the tests are not yet completed.

              At a conference of representatives of the aviation industry in Moscow in April 2013, the former commander of the Russian Air Force Colonel-General Alexander Zelin said that at that time a two-stage program for the development of aviation hypersonic missiles was implemented in Russia (apparently, only missiles with ramjet ramjet are meant). The first stage envisaged the development by 2020 of a “compact operational-tactical aviation missile with a flight range of 1500 km and a speed of 6 Machs"; This is the aforementioned HLD. It should be supplemented in the next decade with weapons with a speed of M = 12, suggesting a global range.
              1. ancient
                ancient 12 May 2020 19: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex777
                Information for consideration:

                I have already read ....... it is not clear how and from what "sources" the missile control system will be corrected, after the initial control system has been completed (according to the principle ... well, somewhere there)? After all, the flight to the target is carried out in "plasma"? wink
                After all, as far as I read, they want to fly at a speed of M = 6, and even at a range of 1500, with a "mouse" weight of 1,5 tons, but at the same time they do not have AGSN available, but use the "Edge" (passive, with video head). For the X-35, such a seeker will do, but for hypersound.
                So it might be "work" on this topic .. "worth the candle" .. but what will happen next?
                So far .. "Wishlist" (of which there were more than enough in the Soviet Union and some more ... real, but ... where are they all)? recourse
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 12 May 2020 20: 59 New
                  0
                  I have already read ....... it is not clear how and from what "sources" the missile control system will be corrected after the initial control

                  Not the X-32 - is already good. wink
                  Seriously, the flight time at this speed, when applied to the maximum range, is relatively small - 19-20 minutes.
                  With a range of less than 1500 km - even less.
                  Correction may not be required. hi
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 13 May 2020 15: 13 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Not the X-32 - is already good.

                    Anyway ... I remain in my opinion soldier
                    Quote: Alex777
                    relatively small - 19-20 minutes

                    This is a car of time ..... without the presence of an AGSN this is generally a problem, since the rocket has a drawdown and a cycle (bringing the release of some "wings and rudders", starting the booster engine itself, acceleration and transfer to a set, etc.
                    And you think. That in the process of all these measures there are no exchange rate fluctuations? ... you are so deeply mistaken (and "unhook" 6 tons and 1,5 tons ... as they say feel the difference ._
                    And if the AGSN with the help of the AP corrects the deviations that have arisen and returns the KU to the LBP, then here ... there is a range and direction ... so without correction ... well, no way ... if, of course, you need to get somewhere ... .. and for special warheads, and so ... "okay" ... wink
      2. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 16: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        What makes you think that you have tested the X-32 that has been adopted for a long time? They say that they passed the tests of a new hypersonic missile that is not related to the X-32.

        Yes, with the fact that it’s now conducting military tests of this particular missile soldier
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        They say that tests of a new hypersonic missile not related to the X-32 have been tested.

        Who says .... "urya-media" ???? wassat These are those who, on the day of the air parade coverage, called the Il-2 aircraft strategic bombers, and the Su-38M attack aircraft flying over clusters of "enemies" at speeds of 24 km / h wassat??
        For the Tu-22M3 there are X-22 and X-32 missiles ... all ..... no longer from the word ABSOLUTELY !!! soldier
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 17: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          What makes you think that you have tested the X-32 that has been adopted for a long time? They say that they passed the tests of a new hypersonic missile that is not related to the X-32.

          Yes, with the fact that right now they are conducting military tests of this particular soldier rocket

          The X-32 was adopted back in 2016. Does it make sense to test it again?
          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-32
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 May 2020 17: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            The X-32 was adopted back in 2016. Does it make sense to test it again?

            Those. you don’t understand that "cutlets are always served separately from flies" ... after all, they themselves wrote that the X-32 is for the Tu-22M3M, because they wrote, do not deny it.
            And how many combat-ready Tu-22M3M do you have ... correctly 0!. And why do you think that the missile cannot be used on the Tu-22M3 (with certain modifications)? Can you?
            They took the combat side, finalized it and began to conduct the military test phase ... what is the problem.
            Or do you think that each missile (VZ) can easily be suspended on any aircraft and forward? ... You are deeply mistaken soldier
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 May 2020 14: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: ancient
      And why is "she" this news so ... "good"? What did the launch of the "new rocket" X-32 accomplish? from a combatant Tu-22M3?

      Hi feathered! drinks
      Happy belated! This missile is not an X-32 missile.
      1. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 16: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Hi feathered!
        Happy belated! This missile is not an X-32 missile.

        Hi Andrew! Be healthy and you with Victory Day.!
        At this stage of time, the Tu-22M3 has ONLY - the line of X22 missiles and X-32 missiles.
        All other products for the Tu-22M3M are somehow "izd.715" and "GZUR" .. this is .. "the chicken is still in the nest .. and the testicle is in ......." wink
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 May 2020 19: 49 New
          0
          Quote: ancient
          At this stage of time, the Tu-22M3 has ONLY - the line of X22 missiles and X-32 missiles.

          Quiet quiet quiet ... friend, and X-50 where are you doing? M. And I think that it’s about her.
          1. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 20: 06 New
            +2
            X-50 subsonic KR, and tested GZUR.
          2. ancient
            ancient 12 May 2020 00: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            and where are you doing X-50

            Andrey, dear ... here the "conversation" is about launching some kind of "new" GZUR, and you are for me. "715" (small X-101) wink
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 12 May 2020 12: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              Andrey, dear ... here the "conversation" is about launching some kind of "new" GZUR, and you are for me. "715" (small X-101)

              Serega, why did you get that product 715 could not be processed in the direction of hypersound? If you made the corresponding dvigun direct-flow, for example, why not then?
              1. ancient
                ancient 12 May 2020 12: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                and where did you get that the product 715 could not be processed in the direction of hypersound? m

                Andrey ... it's hard to believe ... with such a "body" and hypersound ... but about the engine ... generally keep quiet wink
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 12 May 2020 13: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ancient
                  Andrey ... it's hard to believe ... with such a "body" and hypersound ... but about the engine ... generally keep quiet

                  No, Serge, wait ... it’s not you, I didn’t see the case. wink Che there for the product, too, the question is dark, like 12 a.m. You see a trend around the world with this hypersound. I generally have the idea that this product will replace the Dagger, due to the bulkiness of the latter. Yes, yes ... you say, the Dagger is RCC, etc. ... but all of our RCC of any base work perfectly on the ground. And nobody canceled the force of gravity.
                  One dagger on a carrier is not enough ... can't you find it?
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 12 May 2020 13: 54 New
                    +2
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    No, Serge, wait ... no, you and I didn’t see the case

                    I agree, but .. there are 715 pictures wink

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Che there for the product, too, the question is dark, like 12 a.m.

                    I agree, but ... the pictures are the same ... are.

                    I don't even want to discuss this topic about the "dagger" complex ... honestly drinks
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 12 May 2020 13: 56 New
                      0
                      Quote: ancient
                      I agree, but .. there are 715 pictures

                      Gray, to me about the pictures, I recall the speech of Papondopoli from the Wedding in Robin ... whatever it is, take everything, I’ll draw it myself .... yeah.
                      Do you recall how, in the pictures, let's say the same Armata looked up to the age of 15? wink
                    2. ancient
                      ancient 12 May 2020 14: 07 New
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Do you recall how, in the pictures, let's say the same Armata looked up to the age of 15?

                      No ... no ... I remember drinks
                      But the local "people" are already in full swing .. "they are launching" GZUR .... so ... "where can you get away from them" ... already hoarse yesterday wassat
                    3. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 12 May 2020 14: 10 New
                      +1
                      Quote: ancient
                      But the local "people" are already in full swing .. "they are launching" GZUR .... so ... "where can you get away from them" ... already hoarse yesterday

                      Friend, GZUR is okay ... here the passenger TU-160 was going to make it. In the branch, Hurray! GIVE! Etc... laughing
                      And few people come up with a goat’s horseradish? wassat
                    4. ancient
                      ancient 12 May 2020 14: 15 New
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Friend, GZUR is okay ... here the passenger TU-160 was going to make it. In the branch, Hurray! GIVE! Etc.

                      I was there this morning ... practically no one "voted" for the concept from TsAGI .. the people were adequate ... maybe later they pulled up fellow they are always ... ambush or vice versa ... in the forefront ...... wink
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 May 2020 14: 01 New
    +2
    It is indicated that the missile, the tests of which were carried out from the board of a long-range supersonic bomber, belongs to the X-32 missile line.

    In the original article, it is stated that this missile does NOT belong to the X-32 missile line. And is a new product.
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 16: 03 New
      -1
      Quote: NEXUS
      In the original article, stated

      Exactly ... "in the article" ..... so one could safely say that ... "ms of this moment, grandmother .... will be ... grandfather" wassat
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 May 2020 06: 29 New
    +4
    The news is good, but uninformative ....
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 May 2020 06: 40 New
      13
      Well, you can’t be so naive, have mercy on my friend. You’re not a relative of Gorbachev for an hour, he laid all the secrets of the Union on a silver platter.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 11 May 2020 06: 49 New
        +8
        And what is my naivety? I do not require performance characteristics in the studio. Even the banal words "tests were successful, the target was hit." And so ... I repeat - not very informative for the state information agency.
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 11: 57 New
          0
          TESTS ARE DIFFERENT! Including, launches are carried out, not assuming a hit on the target.
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 May 2020 12: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            Including, launches are carried out, not assuming a hit on the target.

            That's right ... "there are" (as you put it), but all these "events" are held behind ...... "baalshim2 .." by the "fence" and you can find out about these events in 10-15 years and then .... if this is given "permission" from bully well, or assume for yourself .. if you are familiar with the methodology for conducting flight and flight design tests soldier
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 11 May 2020 16: 59 New
          -1
          And this is the MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION. And we don’t need to know about her.
      2. Cyrus
        Cyrus 11 May 2020 07: 26 New
        0
        Well, you are (naive) and you’re living something, managing).
  • Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh 11 May 2020 06: 42 New
    0
    Several years ago, there were reports of the adoption of the X-32 for service. It turns out, either they lied, or they gave out wishful thinking. In general, according to open sources, the X-32 has a speed of up to 4,6M so that it can be called hypersonic with a stretch. But in general, the news is very stingy with information. Find out more ...
    1. usr01
      usr01 11 May 2020 06: 52 New
      -2
      Find out more ...

      Tolerate, the main thing is that the Americans do not recognize.
      1. Peter is not the first
        Peter is not the first 11 May 2020 08: 01 New
        +6
        On the contrary, either from the Americans or from the Chinese, we learn some characteristics.
    2. BARKAS
      BARKAS 11 May 2020 07: 06 New
      +2
      If there are several variants of X-32 missiles in the line, then it turns out that they were created at different times and their characteristics are also different.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 May 2020 09: 54 New
        -2
        I have already suggested that the legendary Zircon - this is
        X-32, to which a solid fuel booster was added to throw it
        from the ship to the stratosphere.
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 10: 59 New
          +2
          You are inattentive, Voyaka! These are completely different products, to the "delight" of our potential "partners"! You are missing the facts of the launch of Zircons from the UKSK, in my opinion, "Admiral Gorshkov" and the plans of one from the submarine torpedo tube, in my opinion, "Severodvinsk", which the X-32, with all its desire, cannot do! Zircon is more likely a further development of the Onyx line ... I think it's right to have a variety of GZPKR so that the "partners" are not bored. A surprise, that's why it is a surprise, introduces a significant amount of UNCERTAINTY into all sorts of "Unthinkable", "Dropshot", etc.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 11 May 2020 12: 29 New
            +1
            "Zircon is rather a further development of the Onyx line." ////
            ----
            Onyx, aka Yakhont, aka the Bastion - also rather big. 9 m long.

            But he's not "hyper" at all. He is pure "over". 2.5 MAX
            This is also very good, but Zircon does not reach advertising TTX.
            And the X-32, with its cunning fuel, is almost hyper.
          2. ancient
            ancient 11 May 2020 12: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            These are completely different products, to the "delight" of our potential "partners"!

            Absolutely true! good And "Zircon" and .. Tu-22M3 ... this is ...... while ... distant dreams " recourse
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 14: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: Igor Aviator
              These are completely different products, to the "delight" of our potential "partners"!

              Absolutely true! good And "Zircon" and .. Tu-22M3 ... this is ...... while ... distant dreams " recourse

              Dreams? These, as you put it, "dreams" are already state. tests are underway (Zircon). Do you deny the presence of the Tu-22M3 in service? belay Then you are simply at odds with reality. What else can I say? No. request
              1. ancient
                ancient 11 May 2020 16: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Dreams? These, as you put it, "dreams" are already state. tests pass (Zircon)

                If you have a bad reading and logic, the definition of "dreams" applies to your fellow- statements about the launches of GZUR with Tu22M.
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Do you deny the armament of the Tu-22M3?

                I deny the presence of weapons on the Tu-22M3 ??? belay Are you okay? Not the consequences of celebrating Victory Day? wassat
                I categorically deny even the THEORETICAL POSSIBILITY of any method of APPLYING missiles with Tu-22M3 except for the X-22 and X-32 (POINT) soldier
                And finish doing ... "urya-delirium" !!! soldier
                1. Sky strike fighter
                  Sky strike fighter 11 May 2020 16: 50 New
                  0
                  I categorically deny even the theoretical possibility of any method of using missiles with Tu-22M3 except X-22 and X-32 (POINT) soldier

                  Apparently the new missile was tested from the Tu-22M3M (upgraded Tu-22M3).
                  The source emphasized that the created rocket is a completely new product and for several years was specially created for use in conjunction with the modernized Tu-22M3. At the same time, the missile undergoing tests is not the only novelty.

                  “The missile will be part of the armament range of the upgraded Tu-22M3M along with a number of other latest aviation weapons,” said the specialist.


                  Recall that Russia implements a program for the deep modernization of strategic supersonic missile carriers Tu-22M3, according to which half of the aircraft in service (30 of 60) must be converted before the modification of the Tu-22M3M. The new modification significantly expands the combat capabilities of the winged vehicle.

                  https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/bff5cae3

                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  Do you deny the armament of the Tu-22M3?

                  I deny the presence of weapons on the Tu-22M3 ??? belay Are you all right? Not the consequences of celebrating Victory Day? wassat

                  Re-read carefully and understand who the consequences of the celebration of Victory Day are manifested in all its glory. The question was about the armament of the Tu-22M3, and not about the presence of armament on the Tu-22M3.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 11 May 2020 17: 13 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    Apparently the new missile was tested from the Tu-22M3M (upgraded Tu-22M3).

                    You are up to ... "strangeness" ... "stubborn man" ... write yourself what you don't read.
                    quote - "... for several years specially created for use in conjunction with the modernized Tu-22M3."
                    And you and your media .. "affirm" - ".... The new missile was apparently tested from the Tu-22M3M board" .. which is STUPIDITY, (which is confirmed by a small .. "correction" - as it appears).
                    From which Tu-22M3M did you ... "launch" the new GZUR ... both fly at the LCI stage at the plant ... so from which one? wassat
                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    Re-read carefully and understand who the consequences of the celebration of Victory Day are manifested in all its glory. The question was about the armament of the Tu-22M3, and not about the presence of armament on the Tu-22M3.

                    So this is generally ...... sorry for your expression .. "utter fool I started flying them (on the Tu-22M2-0) back in 1979 ... and you?
                    And how could I say, let alone write, that the Tu-22M2 and 3 are not in service?
                    You get out like .. "already in a frying pan" wassat
        2. Lozovik
          Lozovik 11 May 2020 11: 29 New
          +5

          Big rocket! How many leaks of fuel components, fires, poisoning, SIS have been tormented with them all their lives.
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 May 2020 12: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Lozovik
            How many leaks of fuel components, fires, poisoning, ICU

            That's right ....... "death" "to summer cottages of personnel ... when it goes .." refueling "on the .. site crying
        3. ancient
          ancient 11 May 2020 12: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          That's what it is
          X-32, which added a solid fuel booster

          Yeah ... and your .. "solid fuel" ... "booster" ... how .. "is screwed to the .." product "? belay wassat
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 11 May 2020 17: 30 New
            +1
            blue tape. And what?
        4. Alex777
          Alex777 11 May 2020 17: 43 New
          +2
          I have already suggested that the legendary Zircon is the X-32, to which a solid fuel booster was added to throw it from the ship into the stratosphere.

          They are going to test zircon at 855 from the mine PU next year. And the speed promise 8-9M.
          X-32 is not here. hi
      2. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 12: 31 New
        0
        Quote: BARKAS
        If the lineup has several options for X-32 missiles

        I will tell you .. "the great secret" ...... change the GOS .. that's what you will ..... "ruler" wink
    3. venik
      venik 11 May 2020 11: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      In general, according to open sources, the X-32 has a speed of up to 4,6M so that it can be called hypersonic with a stretch.

      ======
      I would even say more: if we take for granted the published data that the speed of the X-32 is (at different altitudes) from 4.0 to 5.4 thousand km / h and assume that the speed of sound at an altitude of 11 km is approx. 1 km / h, it turns out that at high altitude the maximum speed of the X-062 is 32 M (!), Which means that it may well even be considered "hypersonic"! fellow
      -------
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      Several years ago, there were reports of the adoption of the X-32 for service. It turns out, either they lied, or they gave out wishful thinking.

      ======
      Why is it so? "...At the end of 2016, the X-32 missile was officially adopted. Modernization of 30 Tu-22M3 aircraft in Tu-22M3M planned.... ".
      1. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 12: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: venik
        which means it may well even be considered "hypersonic"!

        Theoretically and only on a dive.
        Quote: venik
        The modernization of 30 Tu-22M3 aircraft in Tu-22M3M is planned.

        How many Tu-22M3M combat-ready aircraft are you currently armed with? wink
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 20: 10 New
          0
          Quote: ancient
          How many Tu-22M3M combat-ready aircraft are you currently armed with?

          "And for what purpose, I apologize, you are interested?" (c) Maybe you can tell you which airfields are based, who is the unit commander, describe the level of preparedness of the flight personnel, the level of serviceability of the aircraft fleet, dictate the regiment's tasks for a "special" period? "Or maybe immediately give the keys to the apartment, where the money is?" (c) Not too much, right? Burn not childishly, on trifles! stop
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 May 2020 20: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            And for what purpose, I apologize, are you interested? "

            Don’t apologize ... and since you don’t understand where SARCASM takes place ... then I have questions for you at all .. wassat
            And the question is so rhetorical, I asked my opponent so that he would stop .. "shouting" and drooling about ... "yellow news"
            .
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            Not too much? PALIT not childishly, on trifles!

            Is this your .. "petty ... revenge" for the fact that I put you "a face on the table" on the lead .. of the regimental flight from the X-22? wassat
            You are young, dear, .. something to me .... "tell"
    4. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      Several years ago, there were reports of the adoption of the X-32 for service.

      Absolutely right good
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      It turns out, either they lied, or they gave out wishful thinking.

      No, they didn’t lie ... since the "adoption" and the receipt of the product directly into .. "operation" in "operation" .. as they say .... a big difference.
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      In general, according to open sources, the X-32 has a speed of up to 4,6M so that it can be called hypersonic with a stretch

      Miracles do not happen ....... with the dimensions of the X-22 and the new engine ......... is there a greater speed than the X-22 or a greater range than the X-22 ... but what would be the first and second in the complex ........ as they say in advertising ...? wink
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      But in general, the news is very stingy with information. Find out more ...

      How much .. "allowed" .. how much and ..... if not just a banal "incompetent insider" soldier
      1. venik
        venik 11 May 2020 14: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        Miracles do not happen ....... with the dimensions of the X-22 and the new engine ......... is there a greater speed than the X-22 or a greater range than the X-22 ... but what would be the first and second in the complex ........ as they say in advertising ...?

        =======
        Are you sure? And which of the laws of physics is this (a simultaneous increase in both speed and range) prohibits? And if we use fuel with a higher calorific value?
        1. ancient
          ancient 11 May 2020 16: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: venik
          And which of the laws of physics does this (simultaneous increase in both speed and range) prohibit?

          It does not prohibit, but you want, with a constant volume of fuel tanks (fuel and oxidizer), to immediately increase the altitude of the rocket by 2 times (instead of 22,5 km at once 40 km), the launch range instead of (500 km at once 1000 km) and speed (instead of 3,4, 5,4 M at once XNUMX) ..... not "will it be too much"? wassat
          Quote: venik
          And if we use fuel with a higher calorific value?

          The engine remained the same - a dual-chamber dual-mode rocket engine.
          So ...... I have little faith in "fairy tales" wink (this is understandable .. that we were born to make a fairy tale come true, but ... not for the same degree) wink
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 11 May 2020 17: 35 New
            +1
            but you want with a constant volume of fuel tanks
            And this volume could not increase? At least by reducing the hardware compartment (please do not beat for ignorance of the terminology). And more about fuel - like, there is such a thing as encapsulation.
            1. ancient
              ancient 11 May 2020 17: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: sivuch
              And this volume could not increase? At least by reducing the hardware compartment (please do not beat for ignorance of the terminology)

              Unfortunately, no .... since the X-22 (PMG) rocket head is much smaller than the combined one, it is necessary to "stick in the radar + ISU (or skts along the track) + diss). In this case, the compartment heating system is also added. .... so it can only get bigger.
              Quote: sivuch
              And more about fuel - like, there is such a thing as encapsulation.

              I can’t say anything about this ... than they run the 32nd .. I don’t know soldier
              1. Igor Aviator
                Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 20: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: ancient
                I can’t say anything about this ... than they run the 32nd .. I don’t know

                They burned again! To know about the nuances of the X-22 filling, such subtleties as the absence, or the presence of DISS, a correlation correction system, a radar, and assert ignorance of fuel ... Rude!
                1. ancient
                  ancient 12 May 2020 00: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Igor Aviator
                  They burned again!

                  Well, you definitely ... "schoolboy" from ... "Google"! wassat
                  Even in koment from 16.26 he wrote that the rocket is refueling. consisting of 2 components (fuel and oxidizer) ... what else is not clear?
                  What specific components are there?
                  I tell you - asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (TG-2) (in common people .. ". Heptyl") and nitrogen tetroxide (AT) in a mixture of concentrated nitric acid (AK-27I).
                  (in the common people ... "melange").
                  Total weight 4 tons. Consumption 80kg / sec.
                  What else .. "tell" ... or here courses "educational program" for. fool ...... I opened? wassat
              2. sivuch
                sivuch 12 May 2020 08: 58 New
                +2
                I repeat - I can only speculate. If the requirement for capturing the target directly on the carrier, like the X-22 is removed from the new head (that is, the detection range of hundreds of kilometers is not required), then the GOS can be made much lighter and more compact. Just an example - the MiG-23M Sapphire 323-D weighed 650 kilos with a standard target detection range of 40-50 km, and the 23MLD N-008 weighed 350 with a range of 80-90 (all digital numbers from memory)
                Although I know that military Wishlist always grow faster than progress in electronics
                1. ancient
                  ancient 12 May 2020 10: 58 New
                  -1
                  Quote: sivuch
                  I repeat - I can only guess

                  Quite a real assumption, but ..... "the story is still silent about this."
                  But the DU for the homing head for the X-32 .... this is a problem (when used as anti-ship missiles).
                  So ... "let's see" drinks
          2. venik
            venik 11 May 2020 19: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            It does not prohibit, but you want with a constant volume of fuel tanks (fuel and oxidizer)

            =========
            And who told you that volume fuel tanks remained constant (the same)? It is just increased, due to the reduction in the mass and dimensions of the warhead (in particular, "special ammunition") and instrumentation compartment, due to the use of a modern element base.
            ---------
            Quote: ancient
            The engine remained the same - a dual-chamber dual-mode rocket engine.

            ======
            Who told you? It is reliably known only that the engine has more power! But its type and power - alas! This is a mystery! (At least not yet a secret). Perhaps this is a deep or not very modernization of the C5.44 (P201-300), with a thrust of up to 13,4 kN, and perhaps a fundamentally new development ... request
            ----------
            Quote: ancient
            immediately increase the altitude of the rocket by 2 times (instead of 22,5 km at once 40 km), the launch range instead of (500 km at once 1000 km) and the speed (instead of 3,4 M at once 5,4) ..... is not it "too much will be "?

            =======
            Let's start with speed: First, on serial modifications, the old one is still X-22 ("M", "MA", "MP", "P"), the speed has already been increased to 4 km / h. And according to some reports, even up to Mach 000, and some modifications (apparently experimental) - and generally overclocked up to Mach 4.6!
            Secondly, the range was up to 600 km (and not 500 km, as you indicated).
            So h-ki speed is up to 5 km / h (400 M, not 5.1, as you indicated) and a range of 5.4 km does not look like something "out of the ordinary" .... Especially with increased fuel tanks and a flight of 1 km (the latter depends on the characteristics of the engine power, temperature and gas flow rate) and new (more calorific) fuel - it certainly does not seem like something fantastic!
            1. ancient
              ancient 11 May 2020 19: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: venik
              WHO told you that the volume of the fuel tanks remained constant (the same)? It is just increased, due to the reduction in the mass and dimensions of the warhead (in particular, "special ammunition") and instrumentation compartment, due to the use of a modern element base.

              I will not say .. "who told me" .. but just tell you ...... you are wrong and I already wrote in the comments why practically everything remained as it is, find and read.
              Quote: venik
              Who told you? It is reliably known only that the engine has more power

              What does it mean who said ..... there is a two-chamber on the rocket ... others have not yet been invented .. about power .. maybe everything .. I don’t know.
              Quote: venik
              At first

              There are N, NA, M, MA and P (for Tu-22K) on the Tu-22M2 and M3 was not used.
              Speed ​​(VT) - 1036 m / s (3710 km / h. 3.44M)
              Speed ​​(dive) - 700 m / s (2.04M)
              All the rest of your .. "data" ... we will not select .. "definitions" .... wassat
              About 600 it's you .. "tell me somewhere" wassat The K-22M complex with the PNA + NK-45 radar provides detection of the central control unit at a maximum range of 550 km (.. no further MD is .. "thrown") wassat + time for aiming (target designation to the rocket and formation of the "Capture" mode + battery pressurization) wink
              Quote: venik
              So h-ki speed - up to 5 km / h (400 M, not 5.1, as you indicated) and a range of 5.4 km does not look like something "out of the ordinary".

              Once again, I repeat .... no compartments have increased ..... the weight of the warhead remains the same, as well as .... the weight and "dimensions" of the SBCH.
  • Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 11 May 2020 06: 58 New
    +2
    I remember how the liberals shouted that "hypersound is Putin's cartoons" .... Surpriiiiiiz !!!
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      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 11 May 2020 08: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Cyrus
        Learn materiel, and then in the head only hats.

        Judging by the mentoring tone of your post, you have already studied this materiel.
        1. ancient
          ancient 11 May 2020 12: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          Judging by the mentoring tone of your post

          But in fact, your opponent is absolutely right ... since all komenty are very similar to ... how to say this, so as not to offend anyone ...... well, how happy the children are that soon they will give you instead of semolina ..... mashed potatoes .... but .... not now wink
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 11 May 2020 15: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            But in fact, your opponent is absolutely right

            What is he right about? The fact that without going into explanations, he simply arrogantly gave the command to learn the materiel?
            1. ancient
              ancient 11 May 2020 16: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              that without going into explanations, just arrogantly gave the command to learn the materiel?

              He is right that we are talking about "launching the GZUR" with the Tu-22M3 ..... that is. complex NK-45 and SURV K-22M on which it would be required to make "significant modifications" and install new "nodes" of the DB suspension with "support systems" soldier
              If a person writes about this, then ... it means he is "aware" of these events soldier
  • Cyrus
    Cyrus 11 May 2020 07: 24 New
    -3
    Dagger aerobalistic rocket.
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 11: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Cyrus
      Dagger aerobalistic rocket

      But, from this she never ceases to be HYPERSONIC! "Learn materiel!" (from) laughing
  • Cyrus
    Cyrus 11 May 2020 07: 38 New
    -7
    The news is of course good, but maybe not tests, but a training launch. Here we are again creating a zoo: Dagger, x-32, Onyx, zircon ... maybe you should choose one? And what about the quantity, so that this or any other military "garbage" played a role, it must be in the troops, the Aerospace Forces, the Navy in marketable quantities.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 May 2020 08: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Cyrus
      The news is of course good, but maybe not tests, but a training launch. Here we are again creating a zoo: Dagger, x-32, Onyx, zircon ... maybe you should choose one? And what about the quantity, so that this or any other military "garbage" played a role, it must be in the troops, the Aerospace Forces, the Navy in marketable quantities.

      How did the Internet spoil the people. They are already demanding to lay out all the data on weapons, which, for sure, should not be known to all curious.
      1. Cyrus
        Cyrus 11 May 2020 14: 03 New
        -2
        You are hopelessly behind the times, all these data, interested people know, find out, figure it out once. And by the way, what secret you found in my statement, do not share?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 11 May 2020 14: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Cyrus
          And by the way, what secret you found in my statement, do not share?

          Well, at least your curiosity about quantity
          You are hopelessly behind the times, all these data, interested people know, find out, calculate it once

          Judging by your statement, you need to disclose all the data on all types of weapons and pour them on the Internet to satisfy your curiosity (because they will still know)? fool That's when they find out, then we will discuss. In the meantime, this is not for everyone
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 11: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Cyrus
      maybe you should choose one thing?

      The variety in the nomenclature of means of destruction allows for a UNPredictable response, thereby increasing the likelihood of a victorious, for us, outcome of any military campaign. And it has a sobering effect for amateurs to make plans for strikes against Russia.
      1. Cyrus
        Cyrus 11 May 2020 14: 16 New
        +1
        At the same time, it complicates maintenance and supply, which in some cases can be critical.
    3. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 12: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Cyrus
      The news is of course good, but maybe not a trial, but an educational launch.

      You contradict yourself a little! Training launch is carried out only by the PRODUCT accepted into service. And has as its goal enhanced operational skills products by personnel, or training tactical skills in the use of products, again - for the purpose of TRAINING. A TEST launch can be carried out as a product accepted for service (to confirm the inherent characteristics) or after modernization, and not accepted, during the development work, GI, GP.
      1. Cyrus
        Cyrus 11 May 2020 14: 09 New
        +1
        Maybe the point is that this is not the first launch of a previously unknown rocket.
        "... Based on the Decree of the Council of Ministers of Russia No. 1080-31 of December 2010 on the state defense order for 2011 and its planned period 2012 and 2013, the Tu-22M aircraft board No. 9804 / s / n 4898649 within the framework of work for the modernization of the Tu-22M3 fleet, it was retrofitted with a pilot production facility of the Tupolev Design Bureau (ROC "Potential") for testing 9-A-2362 air-to-ground missiles. the test stage of the Tu-22M3 / board No. 9804 / s / n 4898649 in Ramenskoye with X-32 missiles was carried out at the end of July 2013. Several flights were performed, including at least one flight with missile launches. "
  • Alex flanker
    Alex flanker 11 May 2020 07: 59 New
    +8
    "It is indicated that the missile tested from a long-range supersonic bomber belongs to the X-32 line of missiles.
    "
    On the tape they write that it does NOT apply to the X-32 line. Is someone quoting crookedly?
    Tape: "The interlocutor of the agency said that the missile was launched from the Tu-22M3 bomber-missile carrier. He refused to disclose any details, noting only that this product NOT belongs to the line of X-32 cruise missiles and is "completely different" "
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 May 2020 09: 03 New
      -3
      Quote: Alex Flanker
      On the tape they write that it does NOT apply to the X-32 line. Is someone quoting crookedly?
      Feed: "The interlocutor of the agency told

      And who is this "interlocutor"? Perhaps another "expert", of whom are now in the internet divorced, like fleas on a stray dog.
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 11: 12 New
      -1
      Quote: Alex Flanker
      On the tape they write that it does NOT apply to the X-32 line.

      An extremely authoritative source! You still on "Dozhd" and "Echo of Moscow" read what they write about this! There still those "specialists". On the fence - they also write! lol
      1. Alex flanker
        Alex flanker 11 May 2020 11: 29 New
        0
        Do you think that experts write articles here?) It's ridiculous)) The level of what's there, which is about the same.
        And the source here is also not indicated.
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 12: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex Flanker
          Do you think that experts write articles here?) It's ridiculous)) The level of what's there, which is about the same.
          And the source here is also not indicated.

          I did not state this. Just GOALS and TASKS of the information resources are DIFFERENT! Here - to inform, and everyones "Eh", "Tapes". "Medusa" and "Dozhdiy" - more waste products for the fan, towards Russia, sketch out, yes, hype with donations from over the hill, catch it! When "they" scold SOMETHING, then it makes sense to understand that with IT, Russia is doing well! But this is so, a landmark, nothing more!
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 May 2020 08: 00 New
    +3
    The Tu-22M3 was originally created for operations against naval targets. They also removed the refueling system from it, for the sake of the "western partners" ... Fortunately, they returned it. And now, they are arming with hypersound.
    It is incomprehensible to me how they divide this way - 4.6 is not hypersound yet, and 5 is already hypersound ... All this is extremely arbitrary. The important thing is whether the air defense system of the target copes with such a means of attack, or not ...
    And if the means of attack is too fast, the strike will be almost irresistible. In WWII, no one even imagined that it would be possible to shoot down shells of battleships flying into your ship. And they had speed - only 3M, and even then in the initial section of the trajectory. laughing
    1. Hermit21
      Hermit21 11 May 2020 09: 09 New
      0
      EMNIP, hypersonic is the speed at which a plasma cloud begins to form around the aircraft
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 11 May 2020 09: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Hermit21
        EMNIP, hypersonic is the speed at which a plasma cloud begins to form around the aircraft

        So at different heights it (plasma) begins to form at different speeds ... wassat
    2. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 12: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They also removed the refueling system from it, to please the "western partners" ... Fortunately, they returned it.

      Yes ... but not returned. For the rest ... it's practically true ... but about 4,6 M ........ Will it be "too big" ... and even "climb" 40 km? wink
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 11 May 2020 09: 08 New
    +5
    Dear newsmen, why does TASS write one thing, and you write a completely different one?

    1. Michael67
      Michael67 11 May 2020 09: 55 New
      0
      We will powder our brains with our "partners". If they wrote specifically "refers to the X-32" they would have half the work. And so, at least 2 directions: 1. refers to the X-32, 2. does not apply to the X-32. We have a type of slip, and their tension is 2 times more. Now some amersky onalitega's face is poked into our articles and kicked out of work. Isn't it nice?
  • Aag
    Aag 11 May 2020 09: 33 New
    +1
    It is indicated that the missile, the tests of which were carried out from the board of a long-range supersonic bomber, belongs to the X-32 missile line.
    Something is messy in the article. The X-32 (the base model of the X-22, the body is the same) has been tested since the 98th, since 2016 in service. Then, suddenly, the "Dagger" is mentioned (which is considered a complex, and not a rocket). The rocket of which has a solid-fuel engine (unlike the X-32), twice the speed, "ceiling" (it is not clear how they combine - with or without a carrier?) Therefore, I'm afraid there is nothing to discuss ...
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 11: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: AAG
      Therefore, I'm afraid there is nothing to discuss ...

      I’m afraid that neither fear of the Russian Federation nor TASS does not bother you laughing
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: AAG
      long-range supersonic bomber,

      And in general, the TU-22M3 is a long-range supersonic Rocket Carrier, and it MAY carry bombs, but they are NOT the main means of destruction, since the TU-22M3 is not designed to break through the enemy’s air defense system, its BASIC task is to launch missiles LATER long before entering her zone.
      1. Aag
        Aag 11 May 2020 12: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: AAG
        long-range supersonic bomber, ...
        - this is a quote from the article, not my speculation stop
      2. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 20: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        And actually, the TU-22M3 is a long-range supersonic rocket carrier

        "Actually" .... (if you open the airplane flight manual) then right on 1 sheet (introduction) it says - "Medium bomber with variable wing geometry, cruise missile carrier. Designed by OKB-156 A.N. Tupolev. Chief designers - D.S.Markov, since 1992 - B.E. Levanovich. "
        Well, as of 2013, the chief designer of the Tu-22M3, Tu-22MR and modifications was Alexander Yurevich Korenev.
        this is so ... for .. "spreading" outlook ..... otherwise the plane may be .. "seen" ... but no more wassat
      3. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 20: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        and he can carry bombs, but they are NOT the main means of destruction

        It depends on what theater targets are being destroyed and their .. "character" about ZTVL ... "heard"? wassat
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        striking missiles LONG before entering its zone.

        Well, it's just ... "aerobatics" wassat... you have to come up with this ... "LONG" belay ...What is it like???? belay
        Maybe - "without entering the zone of counteraction of the enemy's active air defense systems" ... wassat
        So what were you going to tell me ... "tell"? wassat lol
    3. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 12: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: AAG
      Therefore, I'm afraid there is nothing to discuss ...

      Finally read the FIRST COMMENTARY on this .. "article" drinks
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 May 2020 09: 48 New
    +1
    Well, well ... quite possibly ...! Already the X-32, "by itself" is capable of reaching a speed very close to the lower limit of the "hypersound" range! And "thanks to" the liquid-propellant engine has the potential to increase its combat characteristics, up to a real hypersound! It seems that the new missile represents another modification (modernization) of the recently adopted X-32 ... - I don’t feel, forgive me, a helluva lot of delight from just the modernized Kh-32, although it has reached hypersonic sound ... At least from the fact that the Kh-22/3 missiles are not "massive" and cannot be so ! When operating and using the Kh-32 on the Tu-32M22, certain restrictions have to be observed ... the missiles dangling under the "belly" of the carrier reduce the speed of the missile carrier ... Maybe there is a certain sense to get, albeit "for a while, but rather" hypersonic weapons of the "transitional stage", "remaking" the X-32/32 ... But the "future" is for missiles of the GZUR type!
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 11 May 2020 12: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      At least because the Kh-22/32 missiles are not "massive"

      Let me ask you, have you ever seen a TU-22MZ regimental flight with suspended X-22s? No? And I've had it! Believe me, all doubts about the "non-mass" - removes as if by hand!
      1. ancient
        ancient 11 May 2020 13: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        Let me ask you, but have you ever seen a SECURITY ATTACK TU-22MZ with suspended X-22?

        And let me ask you ... when did you see it ... (I don’t ask where) ... did you see the REGULAR sortie of the Tu-22M3 with the suspended X-22? belay
        I read all your comments above ... well, I never "noticed" your competence in this matter ... sorry.
        In my memory, this is 3-4 flights, and then ... 15-16 MAXIMUM cars.
        The most widespread is a test of the combat readiness of air defense and air defense units in 1980 ... Vasily Vasilievich Reshetnikov himself commanded (that was really there .. PMV soldier allowed 50 meters .. well, and walked ... as if ..mog and knew how wink (185 gu.tbap, 8 pairs on different routes with access to Lutsk, Zhytomyr, BC (and as it turned out Kiev ... Boryspil airport wassat ), Cherkachss, Kremenchug, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Melitopol,)
    2. ancient
      ancient 11 May 2020 12: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And "thanks to" the liquid-propellant engine has the potential to increase its combat characteristics, up to a real hypersound

      And how will you "move" the X-32 body ... in length or in ... width (as V. Mashkov said in one film - "Oligarch" - where and how a crocodile ... greener) wink
      Have you already decided ... or range or speed ... or do you have a new "hyper fuel"?
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      and the fact that Tu-22M3 "carries" Kh-32 missiles "under the belly",

      Why only under ... belly? belay And under the wing suspension on the BD-45K where ... "disappeared"? belay

      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      When operating and using the Kh-32 on the Tu-22M3, certain restrictions have to be observed ... the missiles dangling under the "belly" of the carrier reduce the speed of the missile carrier

      If under the "belly", then there are no restrictions ... but with the underwing suspension .. yes and "aerobatic" and in range and duration due to the increased CLS. soldier
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Maybe there is a certain sense to get, albeit "for a while, but rather", a hypersonic weapon of the "transitional stage" by "remaking" the X-22/32.

      No need to redo ... X-32 is a new rocket ... all the charm in the GOS ... the problem is in the control systems.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 11 May 2020 14: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        Why only under ... belly? And under the wing suspension on the BD-45K where ... "disappeared"?

        I agree that it has not disappeared ... Well, well ... I was a little too lazy ... I decided to save money on "bukavki" ... repeat : under the fuselage, under the wings, as it were, not so relevant, if you "focus" on what is outside the bomb bay ... "outside"!
        Quote: ancient
        If under the "belly", then there are no restrictions ... but with an underwing suspension ...

        Actually ... nevertheless, first of all, I meant the "inconveniences" associated with servicing the liquid X-22/32 ... and hence the "inconvenience" (efficiency) of the use of ammunition. (I also had to read that if 2-3 planes took off, then only one (the best) had refueled and combat-ready X-22s ... the rest had "dummies" ...)
        Quote: ancient
        No need to redo ... X-32 is a new rocket

        But the X-32 entered service in 2016! And this missile is "near hypersonic"! In the "news" it is said about the developed (!) Hypersonic (!) Rocket!
        Quote: ancient
        How will you "move" the X-32 hull ... or do you have a new "hyper fuel"?

        Well, "if it were my will," then I would not expand, but shorten ...! According to modern concepts, the X-32 is too bulky! But about "hyper.fuel" - this must be "kept in mind"! "Keep in mind" and the improvement of the liquid-propellant engine ... (For example, there is such an "idea" of improving the liquid-propellant engine ... In short, the quasi-liquid-propellant engine and gel-like (quasi-liquid) fuel ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 11 May 2020 16: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          if we focus on what is outside the bomb bay ... "outside"!

          You are wrong .. because under the belly it is in a "semi-recessed" state and there are no speed limits with such a suspension! The only thing is in terms of range (not significant, since you drop it in the middle and go back "empty" 0 less specific fuel consumption). Well, during control and launch flights, the landing speed is higher, since you sit down with the flaps by 23g.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Actually ... nevertheless, first of all, I meant the "inconveniences" associated with servicing the liquid X-22/32 ... and hence the "inconvenience" (efficiency) of the use of ammunition.

          Yes, "service" ... something else, but what under the wing, what under the fuselage are serviced during refueling and transportation in the same way, but rolling the cart under the DB under the wing is a little more difficult wink
          But for an experienced calculation manager there is no problem wink
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          (I also had to read that if 2-3 planes took off, then only one (the best) had refueled and combat-ready X-22s ... the rest had "dummies" ...)

          You read it from someone .... complete "stupidity". Always according to the UBP plan, flights are performed with empty missiles (ie, no warheads and not fueled) and the missiles can be "training" and "real combat" which, according to the regulations, must periodically "ventilate".
          Whoever gets the "combat" from the crew, then consider the holiday and the UPR according to the KBP will be performed as "excellent", since the missile "grabs" the target as .... "pit bull" .. no disruptions not in range, nor in direction and no hindrances take wink
        2. ancient
          ancient 11 May 2020 16: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          But the X-32 entered service in 2016! And this missile is "near hypersonic"! In the "news" it is said about the developed (!) Hypersonic (!) Rocket!

          In fact, it is X-32, well .. "news" ...... they can not even say that ... wassat
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Well, "if it were my will," then I would not expand, but shorten ...! According to modern concepts, the X-32 is too bulky! But about "hyper.fuel" - this must be "kept in mind"! "Keep in mind" and the improvement of the liquid-propellant engine ... (For example, there is such an "idea" of improving the liquid-propellant engine ... In short, the quasi-liquid-propellant engine and gel-like (quasi-liquid) fuel ...

          All this can be and .. "has a place to be", but .... "men .. dumbfounded" wink maybe .. "someday" and somehow wink
          Well, the fact that it is .. no longer "than .. is necessary, so for" long "aviation they have always been like this, starting with the KSR-5 and ending with the Kh-32 wink
          1. Aag
            Aag 11 May 2020 20: 42 New
            +1
            Guys, let's be more constructive, or something ... I’m sorry, I’m not at all special, well, I have something to do with rockets (I have a sin, I was napping between lectures in the Vau-2 nozzle) ...
            Once again, I think that the "news" is from the category of influx, to a very distant person. Yes, we can argue about what it could be, how it should be ...
            Before commenting, I try to check the info, well, at least on Wikipedia ... Type: "X-32!" Immediately a photo of Tu-22 with a rocket under the plane. In the text, up to 4 pieces! I’m not an aviator! But, something suggests that the aerodynamic portrait of the honored missile carrier will suffer ... Isn't that so?
            Yes, I agree, there is still tactics, the concept of combat use, - (I suppose, it took off, lifting all this canoe, brought it to the borders of the territory of the Russian Federation, let it go towards AUG). And how to correct it?
            Do not judge strictly, it’s better to outline the situation, well, at least, how will you wag ... hi
            1. ancient
              ancient 12 May 2020 11: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: AAG
              , well, at least on Wikipedia ... Type: "X-32!" Immediately a photo of Tu-22 with a rocket under the plane. In the text, up to 4 pieces!

              Immediately "kill" this (or this wink ) ....... "afftor".
              Only 3 and then ... in the transport version.

              Quote: AAG
              .A correct what?

              She corrects herself, if we talk about the AGSN, if about PSI, then there is a purely course guidance method for the X-22.
              For X-32 there is already more advanced bully
              But with the control center for mobile sea targets ....... I have the same ... "questions" repeat
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 12 May 2020 11: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            In fact, this is the X-32

            I read the next news ... and it turns out that you guessed the figurines! tongue In the "regular news" an important rank from the Ministry of Defense said that "the new aviation hypersonic missile for the Tu-22M3 (M)" does not belong (!) To the "X-32 line"! laughing
            Quote: ancient
            You read it from someone .... complete "stupidity"

            Well, here 2 options are possible ... 1. Or memory let me down, and I "something" confused ...; 2. Perhaps the article referred to "significant" (with the presence of high officials of the Ministry of Defense) aviation exercises using the Tu-22M3 and practical launches of the X-22. When performing the assigned task, the link could carry 1-2 aircraft filled and ready for launch X- 22, and the rest of the planes in the link are "empty"? Because something like this remains in the memory ... Although, this is from the once read ...
            1. ancient
              ancient 12 May 2020 11: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              I read the next news ... and it turns out that you guessed the figurines!

              I when drinks I can say that ...... wink
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Aviation exercises using Tu-22M3 and practical launches X-22

              There were no practical group launches in my memory ....... there were successive ones, but there were still only 2 crews ... "participated".
              Maybe the sailors ... ... they often carried out all sorts of "deployments" ... so ... I dare to judge drinks where is fiction and where is the truth.
              But just on the "track" group, and even deployed ... will not be allowed even because there are certain security measures and ... "telemetry" for everyone may not be enough bully
          3. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 13 May 2020 14: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            In fact, this is the X-32,

            "News" turned up to me ... where it is stated that "the new hypersonic missile for the Tu-22M3 (M)" is the same "notorious" GZUR, which I have repeatedly mentioned in the comments and which I had "suspicions" this time...
  • bars1
    bars1 11 May 2020 10: 44 New
    0
    For example, Novye Izvestia reports that the missile tests not refers to X-32
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  • Super
    Super 11 May 2020 11: 52 New
    +1
    Good news! Work brothers!
  • bars1
    bars1 11 May 2020 18: 11 New
    0
    Yes Dagger is most likely.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 11 May 2020 19: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: ancient
    PS To all ardent "plusovalschikam" the same it is strongly .. I recommend ..... otherwise, and in fact ... "you can believe in yourself"!

    I affirm that no one can be trusted. Even myself. But, in fact, I just wanted to fart. Now, here you have to wash.
    1. Aag
      Aag 11 May 2020 20: 47 New
      0
      Roughly, but essentially ..
      Mueller said (17 instants of spring): no one can be trusted, I can ...