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Nationalization of enterprises began in the EU: revision of privatization results was possible

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What is happening in the world has made real those things that some six months ago seemed completely impossible, unthinkable. For example, the closure of the borders of states belonging to the European Union, the actual termination of Schengen ... Unemployment in the United States at the level of the Great Depression. The fall in oil prices is not just to zero, but to negative values. Who could have imagined this on the eve of the new 2020?


And this is not to mention the fact that most of humanity has literally become locked up, who until then had so reverently enjoyed its own freedom of movement in the modern world. Now the matter has come to the nationalization of enterprises in those countries in which similar ones, giving out endeavors by socialist and communist ideas, were considered savagery for almost their entire duration. stories. And there is no exaggeration: the European Commission officially announced the possibility of nationalizing the enterprises and companies that were most affected by the pandemic crisis, thereby making it clear: in the current catastrophic conditions, abstract democratic and market values ​​are fading into the background before the need to prevent a total economic collapse Old World.

As one would expect, such an emergency measure for the West, whose entire management system is based on the inviolability and freedom of private capital, is being introduced with many reservations. So, enterprises, the share of ownership in which may become a payment to the state for their survival, must be “system-forming”, and their activity must fit into the framework of “innovative”, “digital”, as well as “environmental” requirements, the implementation of which committed to the EU. A colossal bureaucracy will not be worth it: partially nationalized companies will be obliged to confirm a complete refusal to pay dividends and bonuses to their shareholders, and in general to report in detail, on exactly what needs they spent each euro received from the treasury.

At the same time, it is initially emphasized that the state cannot have a share in the companies and firms it saves for more than 6 years. If the matter of salvation drags on and the company is simply unable to survive without state support for a long time, at least restructuring awaits it. However, 6 years is a considerable period. And no one can reliably predict how it will develop with the way out of the crisis.

In any case, Peter Altmayer, who is the Minister of Economics and Energy in Germany, said that such desperate steps are now necessary. And the European Commission honestly recognizes that the nationalization of a part of the economy is perhaps the only way to avoid the grave social consequences of the crisis, such as massive unemployment and impoverishment of the population. By the way, one of the first companies applying for state aid today in Germany is one of the largest air carriers in Europe - Lufthansa, which, due to flight restrictions, was in danger of complete ruin.

I must say that such thoughts are visited by the minds of sovereign husbands on both sides of the ocean. Not so long ago, speaking about the hypothetical possibility of state support for the American oil industry, which is on the verge of bankruptcy, U.S. Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnuchin, among other mechanisms developed by his department for such actions, also called for the provision of assistance at the expense of the federal budget in exchange for a share of ownership in the mining enterprises.

There is nothing surprising here, especially considering that to date, China has demonstrated the most successful overcoming of the economic consequences of COVID-19. That is, a country whose economy, for all capitalist moments, is under the tightest control and guardianship of the state. No one can argue with this. As it turned out in difficult times, the free and market economy of the West simply has nothing to oppose the trials that have fallen on it, in contrast to communist Beijing.

What about the nationalization of enterprises in Russia?


Perhaps Russia should also think about it. Fortunately, while our country has not yet suffered as much from the pandemic as Europe, however, let’s not forget that it is on it that the fall in energy prices is very hard. It is impossible to accurately predict how long the quarantine restrictions will last and what the damage to the economy will be from them. At the same time, the main threat to the national economy and the social sphere of our country, as well as to the rest of the world, is the loss of work by a significant number of citizens and the inevitable social tension in this case, which can increase in society to unprecedented proportions. In the event of a further deterioration in the economic situation, the nationalization of a part of large domestic enterprises may seem to be the only reasonable way out of the critical situation.

On the other hand, most large Russian companies have long had specific owners who are unlikely to want to part with the sole right to dispose of the huge revenue-generating business. To be honest: many of them will prefer the cessation of their nationalization enterprises. And here the main word will be for the Kremlin. What will be chosen there: to conflict with some part of the elite, but to save the economy at this cost and prevent popular discontent, or by leaving sacred private property intact (the famous dictum about the “impossibility of revising the results of privatization” comes to mind) will be provided to the people "Stick" on their own? The answer to this question can be given in the near future. But from the experience of Europe it turns out that a certain revision of the results of privatization is still possible.
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  1. Mitroha
    Mitroha 11 May 2020 12: 09 New
    15
    The main thing here is to observe the line that separates "assistance to enterprises through their partial or temporary nationalization" from "change of ownership and seizure of enterprises under the sauce of assistance"
    This opens up endless possibilities for corruption.
    and I think many will want to seize the moment
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 May 2020 12: 32 New
      -7
      Well done Haraluzhny! He raised an extremely important topic in his article! And it is right.

      I can only say from myself purely intuitive.
      I believe in dreams and can solve them. My dreams are always colorful.
      So in March of this year I had an unusual dream. And I thought that this dream predicts some kind of global catastrophe this year. Really to war ?! I also thought then that it is not for nothing that 2020 the Rat is a leap year. In the people's memory there is a sign that leap years are poor years.

      Well, when the coronavirus pandemic began, I thought that the dream had predicted for me about it - about the huge global - on the scale of humanity - ailment about people's health ..
      And now I think that in a dream I had a warning about something much bigger and worse. Really about the war ?!
      But something like that in the world is sure to be this year.

      The materialist Kharaluzhny analytically justifies this well in his article!
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      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 11 May 2020 13: 35 New
        12
        Quote: Tatiana
        Well done Haraluzhny! He raised an extremely important topic in his article! And it is right.

        I can only say from myself purely intuitive.
        I believe in dreams and can solve them. My dreams are always colorful.
        So in March of this year I had an unusual dream. And I thought that this dream predicts some kind of global catastrophe this year. Really to war ?! I also thought then that it is not for nothing that 2020 the Rat is a leap year. In the people's memory there is a sign that leap years are poor years.

        Well, when the coronavirus pandemic began, I thought that the dream had predicted for me about it - about the huge global - on the scale of humanity - ailment about people's health ..
        And now I think that in a dream I had a warning about something much bigger and worse. Really about the war ?!
        But something like that in the world is sure to be this year.

        The materialist Kharaluzhny analytically justifies this well in his article!

        All this can be described in one phrase: "Nationalization of losses and privatization of profits." And all this, please note, at the expense of taxpayers. One of the textbook examples on this topic: - This is the nationalization of the Dutch West India Company, back in the 17th century.
      3. GAF
        GAF 11 May 2020 13: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        I believe in dreams and can solve them. My dreams are always colorful.

        Sleep (a product of the subconscious) may well reflect the anxious state of consciousness that was in reality. And there were plenty of reasons for this already in March. Are dreams colorless?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 11 May 2020 14: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: GAF
          Sleep (a product of the subconscious) may well reflect the anxious state of consciousness that was in reality. And there were plenty of reasons for this already in March. Are dreams colorless?

          - Thus, we have established that there can be a dream without dreams, but there can be no dreams without sleep.
          1. GAF
            GAF 11 May 2020 15: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: sabakina
            Thus, we have established that there can be a dream without dreams, but there can be no dreams without sleep.

            Why is this balancing act? Usually in Russian speech they don’t say that yesterday I had a dream, but there was a dream in which ...
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 11 May 2020 15: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: GAF
              Why is this balancing act? Usually in Russian speech they don’t say that yesterday I had a dream, but there was a dream in which ...
              And you ask Matvey Morozov. wink
              1. GAF
                GAF 11 May 2020 19: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                And you ask Matvey Morozov.

                Comrade Marechal (fr.), For me, soldier's jokes have remained in a very distant past. I wish you health.
        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 May 2020 20: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: GAF
          Sleep (a product of the subconscious) may well reflect the anxious state of consciousness that was in reality.
          That's right. Psychologists and psychiatrists pay special attention to people's dreams. Hypnos is also built on this.

          I will tell you my dream, which I had a dream soon after March 8 - the number of March 10-12.
          I stand in a dream on a bridge at the railing. Below me is the highest viaduct. Behind me, cars are passing by, but I do not see them, but only hear them. But they do not attract my attention, but the panorama from the bridge, which I see unfolded in front of me.
          I myself look from the bridge into the distance. In front of me, a panorama of the outskirts of the city is far visible. On the right are city houses and streets, on the left there is an open space of fields with free-standing low trees. I know that on the left is the airfield. At the same time, highways are very clearly visible. A few passenger cars are moving along them in both directions. From the cargo only two small vans drove towards the airport.
          In a dream, the time of year is the beginning of summer. And March is just the beginning of spring !!! Young green grass. In the blue sky the sun and clouds. The sun at its zenith is noon.
          But what is interesting? On the street there are no people at all - pedestrians.
          At this time and in such weather, it is always crowded: mothers with kids in wheelchairs, pensioners walk slowly, people sunbathe on the grass and play volleyball. Noise And here - in a dream - NO GOOD! Not a single soul !!
          The windows in passing cars are tightly closed. Cars all, as a selection, only black.
          It seems that the city was evacuated! Like before the war. Well, someone else stayed there, since cars still drive.
          I woke up under the impression of a dream, as from a shock. And I thought that this prophetic dream. She regarded him as a warning of something terribly scary. I also thought: did the dream have a dream in war ?!

          Then I forgot about this dream. And when the coronavirus pandemic was announced, I remembered this dream. And I think that it was not by chance that I dreamed about it.
          Quote: GAF
          Are dreams colorless?
          About 10% of people never see color dreams, but only black and white. And it can be quite healthy people with good color vision in reality. The mystery of nature - the central nervous system.
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 12 May 2020 05: 52 New
            +2
            I have a friend who, in an "unconscious state," comes to exclusively brilliant thoughts, which he, being in the same state, tries to write down. The only trouble is that he forgets these "brilliant thoughts" after coming out of a trance, but cannot make out his nonsense. So these recipes are in packs, waiting for their pharmacist.
            I look forward to breakthrough nanotechnologies that will allow you to observe in real time (or in recording) glimpses of genius in a sweeping person.
          2. depressant
            depressant 12 May 2020 13: 14 New
            0
            Tanya, the bridge in a dream is life. If you are inside the house - this is to death. Not necessarily yours. I heard about this before, even before being confirmed by my own practice. You did not enter any of the dream houses? And the station is a crossroads. In troubled days, the most sensitive people sharply exacerbated the work of the subconscious, it gives out pictures of the predicted future. No matter how colleagues laugh at this.
      4. nickname7
        nickname7 11 May 2020 14: 20 New
        +5
        . I believe in dreams and can solve them

        . I thought

        You write what you know how to solve, and then you thought, thought, but didn’t solve anything.
        When it seems and is thought, there is a good medicine, haloperidol.
      5. GUSAR
        GUSAR 11 May 2020 17: 46 New
        -1
        You should call on 03 ...
      6. APASUS
        APASUS 11 May 2020 22: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        My dreams are always colorful.

        Not a good sign, it’s even written in the psychiatry manual
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 May 2020 22: 43 New
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Tatiana
          My dreams are always colorful.

          Not a good sign, it’s even written in the psychiatry manual

          For the first time I hear about it! What is not a good sign? And in what reference book on psychiatry can this be read?

          My friends all see only colored dreams. And black and white - only when they have a very depressed state.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 11 May 2020 22: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Tatiana
            For the first time I hear about it! What is not a good sign? And in what reference book on psychiatry can this be read?

            I don’t want to say anything, just read about schizophrenia
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 11 May 2020 23: 01 New
              0
              Yes, I have books on psychiatry for medical practitioners in my home library somewhere. I have long been studied. In pedagogy, graduate school needed to be reviewed. Abstracts wrote.
              By colors and dreams, you can study the mental state of people at a particular moment in certain cases. But this does not mean that color dreams exist only among schizophrenics and that this is a sign of schizophrenia. On the contrary, this is complete nonsense!
              But a depressed or joyful state of a person by color dreams can be determined.
              Moreover, those who draw well, usually see color dreams.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 11 May 2020 23: 15 New
                0
                By the way, I will say even more. If you ask a child from an early childhood what colors he saw in a dream, then in adulthood he will see precisely COLORED DREAMS. This is somewhat similar to the development and acquisition of skill in training.
      7. datura23
        datura23 13 May 2020 06: 45 New
        -1
        colorful, realistic dreams very often indicate schizophrenia
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 13 May 2020 07: 42 New
          0
          Quote: datura23
          colorful, realistic dreams very often indicate schizophrenia

          Ha! And with you and your horizons, too, everything is clear! laughing
      8. DDT
        DDT 15 May 2020 16: 40 New
        +1
        Tatyana, is that the same? Command! Tired of lying on your side oven! soldier
        wassat
    2. knn54
      knn54 11 May 2020 12: 54 New
      12
      WHO will guarantee that now the state will redeem these enterprises for a REAL rather than an EXCEEDED price, saving investors from bankruptcy, and then DO NOT sell them back the same, but at a lower price?
      1. Carnifexx
        Carnifexx 11 May 2020 12: 59 New
        +5
        About a reference to collateral auctions.
      2. alone
        alone 11 May 2020 14: 03 New
        -2
        Quote: knn54
        WHO will guarantee that now the state will redeem these enterprises for a REAL rather than an EXCEEDED price, saving investors from bankruptcy, and then DO NOT sell them back the same, but at a lower price?

        No one ... Rosneft and Gazprom are also state-owned concerns, and how has this changed the situation?
        There are industries that are in a catastrophic situation ... for example, airlines ... which have suffered and are suffering enormous losses ... The state can cover their losses. How? Give them a long-term loan with a meager percentage
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 11 May 2020 15: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          There are industries that are in a catastrophic situation ... for example, airlines ... which have suffered and are suffering enormous losses.

          And in 2017, for example, Aeroflot made huge profits. And in this regard, it is not very clear. Why, when companies incur losses, they need help from the budget, and when they make a profit ... Then does this profit quickly cut into dividends? Have you ever heard something like this - the companies AAA LLC and UUU have made huge profits, and in this regard, you need to saw off a piece of profit to the budget, in excess of taxes, because the profit is huge. Personally, I have not heard. So with what a fright to them to compensate losses?
          1. alone
            alone 11 May 2020 15: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Why, when companies incur losses, they need help from the budget, and when they make a profit ... Then does this profit quickly cut into dividends?

            If these airlines go bankrupt from this, no one will win .. Those who will occupy their market will win. But the fact that they, having good profit, did not pay the corresponding taxes, the relevant authorities should deal with this already .. And since it happened so far Since then they were not interested, then they are unlikely to be interested in later.
            Here the problem is that the system has outlived itself ... In order not to take action, the efficiency will be weak ... the system is not adapted for effective work .. They have their own interests
          2. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 11 May 2020 18: 18 New
            +4
            Lannan Shi was like that some years ago. There was a proposal to cut off a certain company from excess profits. What started here! Naturally, everything was hushed up and forgotten. For the unshakable slogan "all profits - to a group of individuals, all losses - must pay the budget."
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 13 May 2020 11: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: olimpiada15
              There was a proposal to cut off a company from superprofits.

              Can you name the company name?
          3. CSKA
            CSKA 13 May 2020 11: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And in 2017, for example, Aeroflot made huge profits. And in this regard, it is not very clear. Why, when companies incur losses, they need help from the budget, and when they make a profit ... Then does this profit quickly cut into dividends?

            But it’s nothing that 51% of Aeroflot’s shares belong to the state, and why did you get the idea that all the profits were distributed among the owners?
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Have you ever heard something like this - the companies AAA LLC and UUU, have made huge profits, and in this regard, you need to saw off a piece of profit to the budget, in excess of taxes, because the profit is huge.

            Based on these statements of yours, it is clear that you are as good at economics as I am about ballet.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 13 May 2020 11: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: CSKA
              But nothing that 51% of Aeroflot shares belongs to the state

              Oh yeah ... It's not a bug, it's a feature. A profitable company is taken. Part of its shares is pushed to whoever needs it. By the way. Tricky question. Why sell shares of profitable state-owned companies at all? So that's it. And then, with cries - "Is it okay that 51% of Aeroflot's shares belong to the state?" you can pump up the company from the budget. Tyrit directly is not much more profitable by the way. Legalization will not cost so cheaply And then .... In terms of finance, the identity will be almost identical. And everything is legal. And very patriotic. To steal under slogans about the welfare of Russia ... Yes, this is your opinion, this is Uruguayan.
              Quote: CSKA
              and where did you get the idea that all the profits were distributed among the owners?

              From multiplying dividends on the 1st stock by the number of those stocks. Very difficult? Did you not attend school at all?
              Quote: CSKA
              Based on these statements of yours, it is clear that you are as good at economics as I am about ballet.

              Apparently you are not the worst ballerina. And with economics and mathematics, you really have problems. Not knowing where to see the amount of dividends, and not being able to calculate the total amount ... Trouble, trouble, trouble.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 15 May 2020 11: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Oh yes ... This is not a bug, it is a feature. A profitable company is taken. Some of its shares are being shoved by anyone who needs it.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Apparently you are not the worst ballerina. And with economics and mathematics, you really have problems.

                Well, in terms of what words you use and ask stupid questions, it shows your level of knowledge in the economy.
                Give a link to the studio where there will be a report that Aeroflot distributed all its net profit for 2017 to shareholders, while the main shareholder is the state.
                And so in general, everything is clear from a number of phrases:
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Some of its shares are being shoved by anyone who needs it.

                49% free float on the exchange.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                "Is it okay that 51% of Aeroflot shares belong to the state?" you can pump up the company from the budget. Tyrit directly is not much more profitable by the way.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                To steal under the slogans of the good of Russia ... Yes, this is your way, this is Uruguayan.

                This is just the level of middle school students. Maybe you are not studying at school. but your level of knowledge is just a school.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And why bother selling shares of profitable state-owned companies?

                And did someone sell Aeroflot? No, its turnover was partially nationalized. And of course you don’t understand why. All the same, all around you are smart.
                The Chinese, for example, state that they own only 30% of Lenovo's shares, and 50% are in free float, and the rest is with the Americans. They are stupid that ZTE owns only 51% of the shares, and the rest is freely traded on the stock exchange.
                Well, so far, our and Chinese economists are up to you. You are probably a Nobel laureate in economics. Everyone sells stocks and attracts investments for development, but according to some girls, this is not necessary.
                Girl sit at home cook dinner with your husband, if you have one, and if you want to communicate with smart uncles, then at least change your communication style from the gateway level.
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 15 May 2020 11: 59 New
                  +2
                  Quote: CSKA
                  And did someone sell Aeroflot? No, its turnover was partially nationalized. And of course you don’t understand why. All the same, all around you are smart.

                  Laponka, I understand that it’s boring to collect business. This is not a tongue to scuff. You one. At least open a wiki. So as not to carry such a frank heresy.
                  For this discussion I am ending with you. For your level of knowledge, in this matter, does not cause anything but the desire to laugh.
                  Quote: CSKA
                  and if you want to talk to smart uncles,

                  Really smiled.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 15 May 2020 13: 13 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    s of that. At least open a wiki. So as not to carry such a frank heresy.
                    For this discussion I am ending with you. For your level of knowledge, in this matter, does not cause anything but the desire to laugh.

                    laughing It's a drain mademoiselle! And classic ..... you are all hmm .. foolish, I’m Queen Victoria alone lol
                  2. CSKA
                    CSKA 18 May 2020 14: 01 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Laponka, I understand that it’s boring to collect business. This is not a tongue to scuff. You one. At least open a wiki. So as not to carry such a frank heresy.
                    For this discussion I am ending with you. For your level of knowledge, in this matter, does not cause anything but the desire to laugh.

                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Really smiled

                    You generally smile at me. You really think. what can you merge with this scribble? Visit Wiki yourself and find your dividends about your dividends there. You will not find it there. And for your information, the company's dividend policy says that the priority is to ensure that dividends are paid at 25% of IFRS net income. In recent years, they have been paying 50% due to government requirements for state-owned companies.
                    And about the PRC company, you have nothing to answer at all.
      3. DDT
        DDT 15 May 2020 16: 41 New
        -1
        Do not sell! Here Tatyana has intensified, she will start the war before they have time ... So her dreams have already begun color wassat lol
  2. Operator
    Operator 11 May 2020 12: 13 New
    10
    The author confused the temporary European financing of private enterprises on the security of their shares / shares with the irrevocably nationalization itself.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 11 May 2020 13: 06 New
      0
      In Russia, it is not even necessary to "mortgage" shares - "especially important for the state" (in the words of GDP) "patriotic entrepreneurs" simply say that they are like "suffered from the crisis" and it is necessary to compensate for the losses and they, right there, and funding in the necessary volume and other nishtyaki in the form of "reduction-zeroing" of duties, excise and taxes ... But the rest .... "this is the" - with poppy seeds. "
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 11 May 2020 13: 16 New
        11
        That's the whole story!
        1. alone
          alone 11 May 2020 14: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          That's the whole story!

          And how many of these "will not be" ... About the age of pensioners, too, will not be ... So what?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 11 May 2020 14: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: lonely
            So what?

            What do you think, HE will change his mind and review these results? Chubais to help you!
            1. alone
              alone 11 May 2020 14: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              What do you think, HE will change his mind and review these results? Chubais to help you!

              I'm not so naive that thinking that he will change his mind .. There are dozens of such examples, as he said one thing and did the other ..
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 11 May 2020 14: 40 New
                0
                Quote: lonely
                but did something else ..

                To make a list in crowbars ... I disdain.
                1. alone
                  alone 11 May 2020 14: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  To make a list in crowbars ... I disdain.

                  and me too drinks
          2. 210ox
            210ox 11 May 2020 14: 28 New
            +2
            Not that example. People and property are different things. Although in our fabulous kingdom this can be combined.
            1. alone
              alone 11 May 2020 14: 40 New
              -1
              The nationalization of everything under the command of D effective managers is yet another feeder for thieves ..
              Quote: 210ox
              Although in our fabulous kingdom this can be combined.

              Already merged .. In fact, basically Everything is broken
        2. Wolverine
          Wolverine 12 May 2020 11: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          That's the whole story!


          As practice shows, this does not mean anything, it is meant for a certain circle of people. Everything can change the other way around.
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 11 May 2020 14: 24 New
        +7
        In theory, times are difficult times, sell a yacht, sell an estate in London, and only then you can ask for help as a last resort.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 13: 12 New
      +3
      Exactly what. In this case, this entire nationalization is the nationalization of losses.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 11 May 2020 13: 18 New
        +3
        H'm. Look, the most "smart" ones are already getting rid of illiquid assets, one "hitropop" has already managed to shake off unprofitable enterprises in Venezuela to the state ....
  3. Kronos
    Kronos 11 May 2020 12: 17 New
    -4
    In general, on the topic of an increase in the incidence rate among the leaders, Russia is also striving forward in the number of deaths
    1. ser56
      ser56 11 May 2020 13: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Kronos
      by the number of dead forward torn

      in Russia - 2 dead in the USA - 000, in England - 80, but Russia is torn to the lead? Did you study arithmetic or just Bandera manuals? bully
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 11 May 2020 13: 47 New
        -4
        In the USA: 1, and 329 died,
        In Spain: 224390, 26621 died
        In Britain: 219183, 31855 died
        In Italy: 219070, 30560 died

        In Russia: 221344, died 2009

        In Germany: 169575, 7417 died
        In Brazil: 162699, 11123 died
        In France: 139063 26380 died
        In Turkey: 138657, 3786 died
        In Iran: 107603, 6640 died
        In Canada: 68848, 4871 died
        In Peru: 67307, died 1889
        In India: 67152 died 2206
        In Belgium: 53081, 8656 died
        In the Netherlands: 42627, 5440 died
        In Saudi Arabia: 39048, 246 died
        In Mexico: 35022, 3465 died
        In Pakistan: 30941, 667 died
        In Switzerland: 30305, the number of deaths: 1538
        In Ecuador: 29559, died 2127
        In Chile: 28866, 312 died
        In Portugal: 27581, 1135 died
        In Sweden: 26385, 3239 died
        In Ireland: 22996, 1458 died

        In Belarus: 22973, 131 died


        In Qatar: 22520, died 14
        In Singapore: 22460 died 20
        In the UAE: 18198, died 198
        In Japan: 16494, died: 628
        In Israel: 16477, 252 died
        In Poland: 15996, died of 800
        In Austria: 15871, 618 died
        In Romania: 15362, 952 died
        In Ukraine: 15232, 391 died
        In Bangladesh: 14657, 228 died
        In Indonesia: 14032, 973 died
        In Colombia: 11063, 463 died
        In South Korea: 10909; deaths: 256
        In Serbia: 10902, died: 241
        In the Philippines: 10794, 719 died
        In Denmark: 10429, 529 died
        In the Dominican Republic: 10347, 388 died
        In South Africa: 10015, died 194

        In Argentina: 6034, 305 died.
        In Cuba: 1766, 77 died
        As you can see, by the number of cases in 5th place, many countries are already ahead of the dead.
        1. ser56
          ser56 11 May 2020 14: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Kronos
          As we see from

          I see that you do not know how to analyze data!
          only relative data can be compared - for example:
          % of mortality, and here it is less than 1%, in the USA it’s almost 6, and in England -14,5 ...
          or the number of cases per 1 million inhabitants - we have 1,5, in the USA 4.1 and in England 3,2 ...
          so you are a banal, uneducated, all-round proponent, this is at least ... request
    2. Outsider V.
      Outsider V. 11 May 2020 14: 09 New
      +1
      Congratulations to you, citizen, a lie.
  4. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 11 May 2020 12: 20 New
    17
    It doesn't matter if there is a pandemic or not. The privatization of the national industry in the 90s is illegal and criminal. It's time to put the old slogans into practice - Give the nationalization of the entire industry "
    Are natural resources a national treasure of the people? Then why, oil, gas, timber, coal do not belong to the people of Russia? Why does the lion's share of the revenues of industry and the processing industry go into the pockets of oligarchs and sponsor the economy of the West, and not Russia and its people?
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 11 May 2020 12: 36 New
      +4
      Any change in the existing order can be considered criminal and illegal - both nationalization and privatization. The question is who judges.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 11 May 2020 12: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Pavel57
        Any change in the existing order can be considered criminal and illegal - both nationalization and privatization. The question is who judges.

        That's the whole point, that at the same time you can get to the civil war and foreign intervention!
        Question. Who, in this case, in Russia, as in 1917, will lead and seize the victory?
        This question is now very problematic! Especially with the digitalization of finance and the country's economy and in the world!
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 11 May 2020 13: 42 New
          -3
          Quote: Tatiana
          That's the whole point, that at the same time you can get to the civil war and foreign intervention!

          An interesting conclusion! About foreign intervention, complete nonsense, not the 90s, and the combat readiness and ability of our armed forces to withstand any aggressor is not in that state!
          But who do you see as the opposing side, in the internal conflict? Could it be that the "Swamp" army and other rabble could become such an enemy for Russia? And again - and "who will lead"? Abandon all attempts to show the inability of the state machine, when necessary, to make decisions and achieve goals. And this applies not only to Russia, but to practically any sovereign country, to which Russia also belongs. The only difference is that such a decision, in Russia, will be supported by the overwhelming majority of the people.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 15 May 2020 13: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana
          That's the whole point, that at the same time you can get to the civil war and foreign intervention!
          Question. Who, in this case, in Russia, as in 1917, will lead and seize the victory?
          This question is now very problematic!

          what Tatiana, in what centuries I will deliver you +. I agree that the left movement has a systemic crisis with the selection of a leader ... April 2020 was a real chance for leftists to increase their dividends, at least in the election program, but the moment was missed recourse
    2. ser56
      ser56 11 May 2020 13: 47 New
      -11
      Quote: Vladimir61
      It's time to put the old slogans into practice - Give the nationalization of the entire industry "

      Do you miss the deficit and queues? bully
      Quote: Vladimir61
      do not belong to the people of Russia?

      who is this people? hi Now redistribution is going through taxes, I agree that the system is not perfect! How do you suggest?
    3. Tomich3
      Tomich3 12 May 2020 15: 30 New
      0
      Well, are you all nationalizing who will work there? Did you even work in real production or can you shout slogans only from the sofa? All young people want a civil service or office. We have a timber processing enterprise. Out of 150 people, 100 are citizens of Uzbekistan. Although the average salary of workers is about 50 thousand. on hands. Someone from the village went to work? Yeah, no matter how.
  5. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 May 2020 12: 25 New
    +1
    What seems like a disaster right now (coronovirus) may lead to good changes in the future ...
    1. Birch
      Birch 11 May 2020 12: 27 New
      -5
      Quote: Pvi1206
      What seems like a disaster right now (coronovirus) may lead to good changes in the future ...

      I also smell genes .. World democracy has shown itself in all its glory of self-interest and fear .. negative
      Quote: Vladimir61
      The privatization of the national industry in the 90s is illegal and criminal. It's time to put the old slogans into practice - Give the nationalization of the entire industry "

      Yes, like seven-bankers dispersed .. We are arming the army, etc. This is how Chubais escapes from Russia, so the men have begun! soldier
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 11 May 2020 13: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: Birch
        Yes, like seven-bankers dispersed
        Tell Friedman about this.
  6. steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 May 2020 12: 33 New
    +7
    In order for something to change, you need to change something. While Putin rules, hoping for a change is silly. It will be even worse.
  7. TAMBU
    TAMBU 11 May 2020 12: 45 New
    +6
    the author, judging by the text, did not "enter the subject", as it is said today.
    The reality is that the capitalist countries, saving capitalist enterprises, are simply shifting the burden of "maintaining the pants" during the crisis on the shoulders of hard workers. This fiction will last until the owners improve their financial health and return to business. Actually, this can happen in Russia, but I don't see any reason for joy in this ...
  8. Brigadier
    Brigadier 11 May 2020 13: 02 New
    +2
    In Russia, often everything happens suddenly, i.e. when the "top" does not even expect it!

  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 May 2020 13: 06 New
    +8
    Frankly, I’m already confused that the state now belongs to the state in its purest form. And speaking of nationalization, the question arises as to who will own the initiative. Central Bank? From which the state buys back shares. First, you need to understand your economy. I welcome such an initiative. And first of all I would nationalize our property abroad. Why ours? Because all this was bought by the oligarchs for our money. And this is a penny for the state.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 11 May 2020 13: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      Central Bank? From which the state buys shares.

      Are you really confused about which Central Bank the state buys back shares from? Are you probably about Sberbank?
      Quote: nikvic46
      First you need to understand your economy

      That’s neither add nor diminish. Good luck.
    2. iouris
      iouris 11 May 2020 14: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: nikvic46
      I am already confused that unas now in its pure form belongs to the state.

      It depends on which state ... It's even more confusing. Wars and revolutions were invented to untangle such tangles ("I don't want to myself").
  10. vavilon
    vavilon 11 May 2020 13: 06 New
    +6
    Why has the revision of the privatization of the 90s not been held so far?
    All strategic enterprises should belong to the state and bring profit to it, not to oligarchs
    Then there will be enough money for everything in retirement, medicine, the army and everything else
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Quote: vavilon
      All strategic enterprises must be state owned

      It depends on which state. If the state is capital, then its forest.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 11 May 2020 13: 43 New
        -2
        the constituent of the state is you and us like us, but who will lead this is the second question
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 14: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: vavilon
          the constituent of the state is you and us like us, but who will lead this is the second question

          So you agree to work while I get your salary? Well ok, I don't mind. No doubt in this case it will be the second question for me, or even the tenth.
          laughing
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 11 May 2020 15: 52 New
            0
            I don’t understand what you mean by this: “you can slower and more clearly please”
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 16: 01 New
              +1
              Everything is according to your logic. I (the capitalist at the helm of the state) will receive a denyuzhku, and you (the people) work. In your opinion, this is not so important as the fact that money goes to the state.
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 11 May 2020 19: 51 New
                0
                This is not my logic but yours.))
                Well, firstly, any capitalist power represents and defends the interests of the oligarchy who brought it to power
                Well, the nationalization of a strategically important industry will work for the state replenishing its economy and budget.
                But then, as now, the budget is mainly replenished at the expense of the people and then the same budget is sawn mainly by these oligarchs.
                So you need to eradicate this weed
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 May 2020 19: 31 New
      0
      But after all, government spending on the maintenance of these enterprises will increase many times over.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 11 May 2020 20: 00 New
        0
        One thing that needs to be understood is that the capitalist invests money only when there will be a hundredfold return,
        So why should this plant or factory generate income in the private pocket of the oligarch and not in the country's budget, for example
        And how sideways it will not be beneficial to the state and yes to the oligarch.
        As well as pension money, social benefits will be found and the retirement age will not need to be raised
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 20: 25 New
          0
          Quote: vavilon
          One thing that needs to be understood is that the capitalist invests money only when there will be a hundredfold return,

          No, he works for a lower rate of return.
          Quote: vavilon
          So why should this plant or factory generate income in the private pocket of the oligarch and not in the country's budget, for example

          He must of course, but he will not. At least to a very large extent. While at the helm capital. As life shows.
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 11 May 2020 20: 31 New
            +2
            Life shows that the capitalist system needs to be changed since it completely self-discriminated.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 20: 33 New
              +1
              Lenin understood this. But now a hundred years have passed, and things are still there.
  11. veritas
    veritas 11 May 2020 13: 39 New
    +6
    Perhaps Russia should also think about it. Fortunately, while our country has not suffered so much from the pandemic

    There is a sense of nationalization, but only in the case when we return to socialism, right now, there is no sense, they will put there another relative, friend, make billions of dollars for them and the enterprise will be unprofitable.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 11 May 2020 21: 12 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you
      But this is an organizational issue, and even if we decide by a radical method
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 11 May 2020 13: 40 New
    0
    What will they choose there: go into conflict with some part of the elite, but save the economy at such a price and prevent popular discontent, or, leaving the sacred private property intact (the famous saying about "the impossibility of revising the results of privatization" comes to mind), will give the people "Hold on" yourself?
    ..Power is the power of the elite, and the power and the elite are too greedy, they have their own shirt closer to their body ...
  13. ser56
    ser56 11 May 2020 13: 50 New
    -2
    Does the author want to add fire to the flood? The redistribution of property, especially the massive always fraught with civil war! Does the author want to finish off Russia? request
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 May 2020 20: 27 New
      +1
      Well, it’s better not to rock the yacht, otherwise it will sink too quickly.
      1. ser56
        ser56 11 May 2020 20: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        y, but it’s better not to rock the yacht, otherwise it will sink too quickly.

        in 1917 and in 1991, many were deeply convinced of the rightness of their choice .... remember the consequences? request
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 01: 14 New
          +3
          And what was wrong in 1917? I look at the successes of our capitalism over 30 years in incomparably better conditions and I understand that then we definitely made the right choice. Otherwise, by 1941 we would be completely unprepared.
          1. ser56
            ser56 12 May 2020 13: 36 New
            -3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And what was wrong in 1917?

            yes trite - the country is 30 years behind in development, several tens of millions of people died ... request
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            I look at the successes of our capitalism over 30 years in incomparably better conditions.

            it looks like you are not looking there ... request Russia is now a normal country about a healthy economy and a more or less healthy society hi
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            that we then made the right choice.

            the choice was made by a handful of extremists a la maidan 2014, and then terrorized the country ... request
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Otherwise, by 1941 we would be completely unprepared.

            and we were completely unprepared - see the defeat of the Red Army in 1941 request
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 18: 03 New
              +1
              Don’t even start. And then I will consistently remember a lot of bad things. Starting from the slave system abolished in fact only at the beginning of the 20th century and ending with tremendous successes in Russian-Japanese and the first imperialist world.
              1. ser56
                ser56 12 May 2020 19: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Don’t even start.

                have you been brought up so badly that you poke around? request
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And then I consistently

                as I see, you have a garbage level of knowledge - see. below... request
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                grandiose successes in the Russian-Japanese and the first imperialist world.

                In RIAV, RIA lost less than the Japanese ... request
                In 1MV RIA fought very well - there was simply no defeat a la 1941/42 ... hi
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 19: 40 New
                  -2
                  Quote: ser56
                  In RIAV, RIA lost less than the Japanese ...

                  And what did the Japanese also lose the fleet and territories as a result of the war?
                  Quote: ser56
                  In 1MV RIA fought very well - there was simply no defeat a la 1941/42 ...

                  Not bad against whom? Against the landver? On a secondary front? Burn on.
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 12 May 2020 19: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    And what did the Japanese also lose the fleet and territories as a result of the war?

                    As a result of this war, they lost more - they had the illusion of an empire, for which they are still paying with occupation ... request
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Not bad against whom? Against the landver?

                    Are you so new to 1MB history? Read at least Wiki ...
                    for example, about the Battle of Galicia in 1914 (the troops from the territories of the former AB after the WWII were either part of the Wehrmacht or allies), or the Warsaw-Ivangorod operation — already against the troops of the GI (2th Army: 9th, 11th and 17th th Army Corps, Guards Reserve Corps, Frommel Combined Corps, Wojrsch Land Corps) - it will be informative for you ... request
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    On a secondary front?

                    This is a merit of IN2, only fools go to extra losses ... request
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Burn on.

                    you are badly brought up ... repeat
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 20: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: ser56
                      As a result of this war, they lost more - they had the illusion of an empire, for which they are still paying with occupation ...

                      And you are so funny. And RI apparently on the contrary refused to be an empire based on the results.
                      Quote: ser56
                      Are you so new to 1MB history? Read at least Wiki ...
                      for example, about the Battle of Galicia in 1914 (the troops from the territories of the former AB after the WWII were either part of the Wehrmacht or allies), or the Warsaw-Ivangorod operation — already against the troops of the GI (2th Army: 9th, 11th and 17th th Army Corps, Guards Reserve Corps, Frommel Combined Corps, Wojrsch Land Corps) - it will be informative for you ...

                      And about the defeat of Samsonov and other Stokhods with the deviations of 1915, one need not read?
                      Quote: ser56
                      This is a merit of IN2, only fools go to extra losses ...

                      This is not his merit, but his luck. Otherwise, the valiant RIA would have been very bad. I would say very badly. So 1941 would seem like a minor misunderstanding.
                      Quote: ser56
                      you are badly brought up ...

                      I do not intend to breed Chinese ceremonies with demagogues.
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  15. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 May 2020 14: 01 New
    +2
    nationalization of part of the economy is perhaps the only way to avoid, first of all, the grave social consequences of the crisis, such as massive unemployment and impoverishment.
    Oh how! Yes, "we were the first to stand in line, and those who are behind us are already eating." repeat
  16. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 11 May 2020 15: 30 New
    -2
    And also, in the EU countries, a progressive tax. Here, savages !!!!
  17. Courier
    Courier 11 May 2020 15: 52 New
    -1
    By the end of the year, looking at the real figures of Chinese trade, we will see how it recovered there.
    Now this is drawing, and jokes about Chinese statistics.
    China, an export-oriented economy, as it will grow with such a massive demand in the US and Europe.
  18. KSVK
    KSVK 11 May 2020 16: 52 New
    +1
    Nationalization in Russia? Not even funny.
    All large enterprises and so basically state-owned. De jure, of course.
    But as always there is a nuance. A controlling stake is like sovereigns, but certain persons are in the shareholders. And it turns out that the costs are at the expense of the sovereign, and the profit, profit is fair.
    I would also understand the additional issue. But this is utopia. Since the board has the same specific persons as the shareholders.
    1. ser56
      ser56 11 May 2020 20: 49 New
      -2
      Quote: KSVK
      And it turns out that the costs are at the expense of the sovereign, and the profit, profit is fair.

      exactly! and even bigger salaries, different bonuses ... request that’s where the simplest measures could help - such as the maximum part ... bully
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 11 May 2020 17: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: knn54
    WHO will guarantee that now the state will redeem these enterprises for a REAL rather than an EXCEEDED price, saving investors from bankruptcy, and then DO NOT sell them back the same, but at a lower price?

    Yes, they offer quite the opposite. Enterprises that have sold for a penny. Their owners have already made a fortune. They are on all Forbes lists. Now there is a crisis, sales have fallen, and these same enterprises want to BUY OUT (for good money). Supposedly there are people work. request what hi
  20. magadan72
    magadan72 11 May 2020 17: 43 New
    +2
    I read a strange question - what will the Kremlin do with the bankrupt oligarchic raw material companies !? . That and always-pour money into the oligarchs !!! - save. What nationalization ???? We take away from ourselves! ??? After all, the oligarchs are the Kremlin !!! Although it would be nice that it was not so.
  21. iouris
    iouris 11 May 2020 18: 43 New
    +1
    Only losses are nationalized.
  22. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 11 May 2020 20: 44 New
    -1
    Back in mid-March, Italian Transport Minister Paola de Miqueli announced that the national air carrier Alitalia could go to the state balance. And what, there are 100 aircraft, 10 employees only directly employed in the company. This is more than 000 thousand families, 20-50 thousand people are feeding around. Can I let such an office go broke?
    In general, the EU approved three programs designed to support states, enterprises and workers, for a total of 540 billion euros.

    Eurogroup President Mariu Centenu called on EU leaders to finalize as soon as possible the coordination of a long-term fund for the restoration of the European economy, which should complement the short-term program to restart the economy.
    This assistance program includes three main packages. Firstly, the European Commission has already created a 100 billion euro SURE program to pay targeted compensation to employers so that at least some of them refrain from firing their employees. Secondly, the European Investment Bank, for its part, announced the allocation of a soft loan program of 200 billion euros to support small and medium enterprises. Thirdly, another euro 240 billion should be raised in the form of borrowed funds by the eurozone countries through the European stabilization mechanism: this money can be used as structural assistance to the most severely affected states (Italy and Spain) to keep them from default.
    This program is a short-term assistance mechanism designed to provide an initial impetus for restarting the EU economy.
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  24. arnulla
    arnulla 13 May 2020 09: 00 New
    -2
    We will not have nationalization, at least natural resources. Our power is oligarchic ..
  25. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 May 2020 09: 31 New
    0
    At the same time, it is necessary to solve the problem of, Eastern Kresy, I consider this issue relevant, relevant and historically fair!
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