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Money as a tool of hybrid warfare. Ruble pegged to the dollar

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2. Everywhere money, money, money ... and nostalgia for gold!



Continue An analysis of the Washington Consensus, nicknamed the Ten Commandments of Economic Killers.

In the first part, we showed that already in the first commandments the powerful weapon economic, ideological, informational and psychological warfare. To begin with, the requirement was put forward that government should be removed from economic regulation. Further, the requirements for monetary and investment policies were formulated, based on a half-truth for the capture of developing countries by the colonialists. As shows historical experience, the colonialists do not always resort to the armed forces to extract the wealth of other peoples they need. To do this, they first seek to create a system of power that suits them, which was shown in the first part of our material. Next comes the main tool of the "hybrid war" - money.

A monetary illusion is widespread in our minds - the idea that money can solve all problems. True, smart people say that if a problem can be solved with money, this is not a problem. But what is today's money really? For most people, and even for the government of the Russian Federation, they appear in “national projects” as something real-material, something that can be created, exchanged, saved, used for them. However, this seems to be a big, and often costly fallacy.

In fact, modern money exists in only two ways. The first is the recording of a certain number in the bank on the account that is open in your name. In the balance sheet of the bank it is presented as a bank debt to you. But this is a strange debt - the bank can give it to you in only two ways. First: if you yourself agree with someone that in exchange for the goods or services provided, your partner will agree to receive “payment” in the form of an entry on his account with his bank. Banks here do not guarantee anything and give nothing to anyone. They will simply reduce the amount of debt to you in your account and increase the amount of bank debt to your partner by this amount.

However, the story does not end there. If you do not ask the bank to repay his debt to you, then he will give a loan to another client for this amount, but on his own behalf. This loan is the client’s debt to the bank. But the bank will provide this loan in its usual form - as a bank debt. It turns out this way: the bank owes you plus it still owes another client the same money that you gave him a loan. This is called scientifically: the money multiplier, for starters, just a doubling of the money supply.

A good game was invented by bankers. There is no money - go to the bank. If they give you credit, then money will appear. If they do not give a loan, then there will be no money. If you are not satisfied with a cashless payment, then your bank will give you a central bank note called a banknote or bank ticket to pay off your debt. Further use of this banknote is your own business. The central bank does not owe you anything for this paper. Money does not print, banknotes of the Gosznak factory print, and this printing product will become money when the bank repays debt.

Therefore, the natural question is: what then is the meaning of what we call money? There is a sense, but it’s very simple. A monetary unit is simply a way to measure goods and services as a single economic measure - just a way to measure economically. This is how a person works, Homo sapiens: we not only think, but we can also save information by speaking, writing and counting. In 1960, the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) adopted a standard called the International System of Units (Le Système International d'Unités), also known as SI (SI). The main units in this system are meter, kilogram, second, ampere, degree Kelvin and candela. It took millennia to get to such meters, and even then, other, traditional methods of measurement are still used in different countries.

A natural question arises: why then in the economy come up with some other special way of measurement? After all, goods and services are easily measured by their special measures. Why else should they be translated into some other measure called the price of a product or service? Obviously, such a need may arise under certain conditions of the transfer of goods from hand to hand. As ethnographers and anthropologists show, in the primitive exchange of goods such a need did not arise. There has always been a certain ritual of exchange. And in our country in the 90s, we widely used barter, often without mediation of money.

As the experience of history shows, something similar to money appears with the advent of the tax system, when state power requires funds from an illiterate or semi-literate population to support the ruler and his servants. Yes, and then first in kind, and only then an impersonal requirement.

Therefore, it is clear that this requirement has evolved over millennia, expressed in a variety of forms. In the economy it is extremely difficult to find a gauge that would suit everyone. Many goods and services are difficult to reduce to one measure. Hypotheses about a certain property called value or value cause constant debate. Attempts at the expense of the unknown are not yet received, even when it comes to simple labor costs. As a result, depending on historical characteristics, different states began to come up with different ways to create even for illiterate subjects a symbol for determining the tribute that the authorities demanded of them. Therefore, at different times, different peoples considered how it would turn out. We can on fingers, we can shells, we can maple sticks, we can by weight of metal. And we can just by conventional signs on paper or on electronic media. And we can call anything: at least money, at least money, at least loot, at least cabbage. Only Homo sapiens loses his mind if he does not see the difference between real value and its conditional dimension.

Today, money is one of the types of government securities in paper or electronic form. By law, you can use them to pay for goods, work, property of any kind. In this they differ from the so-called cryptocurrencies, for which the law and the state do not stand. In this they differ from other types of securities that certify the right to a particular property. But in themselves they are not real material value. Therefore, the state can only declare a national monetary unit, but it cannot determine what can be purchased for it.

Nevertheless, almost always the monetary unit is “tied” to the price of some product. So, after the war, the dollar was pegged to gold at the exchange rate of $ 35 per troy ounce. That is why he then received the status of a reserve currency - a currency that all countries agreed to accept as a means of payment, leaving gold in the American vault. This allowed the States to issue any amount of money to world markets in accordance with their wishes. A simple mechanism for the appearance of dollars was created. Congress approves a budget that provides for a specific loan amount. The Treasury issues its bonds and offers their purchase to all comers. If it is not possible to place everything, the Fed acquires the remainder by issuing the necessary amount of its obligations, which are called dollars. Such a virtual pegging to the dollar was until 1971, when the US president announced its abolition in connection with the so-called. oil price revolution. After that, the whole question was only in the degree of confidence in the dollar and the US armed forces and special services.

In the USSR, twice in the course of monetary reforms after the restoration of a national economy destroyed by wars, the monetary unit was tied to gold. It was quite natural for a gold mining country. The last time the gold content of the ruble was established by Stalin in 1950. Before that, since 1937, he was pegged to the dollar. The USSR participated in a conference at which a decision was made on the dollar as a reserve currency. But in connection with the death of Roosevelt and the subsequent anti-Soviet orientation of the leadership of the former allies, it was necessary to refuse to ratify the agreement. In connection with the formation of a bloc of friendly states, Stalin decided on the gold parity of the ruble based on the status of a reserve currency alternative to the dollar. Unfortunately, Khrushchev, one of his anti-Soviet decisions, refused to tie the ruble to gold. In the relations between the countries of the social camp, a conditional "transfer ruble" was adopted. Once every five years, our Ministry of Finance announced the rate of the “transfer ruble” equal to one Soviet ruble, and other countries declared the rate favorable for their countries, and therefore there was a constant transfer of our national wealth to the former “social countries”, as well as inside the country from the RSFSR to other union republics . Khrushchev’s “experiment” over the Soviet economy ended with the fact that he snapped the whole country's gold reserves to buy American grain.

Therefore, in 1965, the question of the ways of further development of the national economy of the USSR was very acute. Kosygin A.N. instructed the deputy chairman of the State Planning Commission of the USSR A. Korobov submit proposals of the USSR State Planning Commission on these problems. In accordance with this, an order was prepared according to Gosplan No. 211 of March 9.03.1965, 8 on the creation of XNUMX groups on relevant issues and a joint group under the direction of the director of the Research Institute of Geological Engineering, A. Gosplan. Efimova. Ultimately, a three-person preparation report for the leadership in the reception of the chairman of the State Planning Committee was prepared: EA Ivanov (consolidated department of the State Planning Commission), Matlin AM (department for the introduction of economic and mathematical methods in planning the national economy), Belousov R.A. (NIIE Gosplan of the USSR). The report was approved at the September plenary session of the CPSU Central Committee, and that was the end of the matter. The main ideas of the report were published in a collective work published immediately after the plenary session: “Economic maneuver and methods of managing”.

But the maneuver in the economy of the then gerontocracy was beyond the power. It all ended not with work to change the proportions of the economy and the economic mechanism, which required considerable effort, but with primitive and simple solutions. We agreed with the proposals of Kharkov professor Liberman and launched a "cost accounting", which led to a loss of controllability of the economy. Instead of focused work to increase the production of goods and improve the standard of living of the population, they began to use the sale of oil and partially used the funds allocated for the purchase of goods for the population through imports, mainly from socialist countries. Then it was still possible to maintain socialism, but this chance was missed. The country was planted on an “oil needle” and the development of production for the sake of production.

Turning to our time, it should be noted that the so-called an oil needle is a big bluff. In fact, our ruble is not tied to the price of oil, but to the American dollar, because the price of oil is determined in dollars, and oil and gas are the main sources of its production.

Due to the pegging of the ruble to the dollar, Russia does not have economic sovereignty and is forced to serve foreign capital. The latter, weakening the ruble, is taking over an increasingly large part of our national property. In addition to the lowered exchange rate, the underestimation of the value of our enterprises, as was shown in the first part of our material, is also exceeded by the interest rate. The value of shares varies depending on its profitability in comparison with the profitability of other investment methods. Therefore, if the percentage in Russia is 6, and in the USA - 0,25%, then with equal profitability, the shares of a Russian enterprise will be 24 times cheaper than the shares of an American enterprise.

Historical experience suggests that one can get out of the position of a semi-colony with two tricks.

First: pegging the ruble to gold, but with a limited exchange of rubles for gold for non-residents. But to introduce the gold content of the ruble, it is not enough to have gold available. It is enough now: by 1.1.2020, for every ruble of the money supply in the national definition in Russia, there were 14 kopecks of gold. Given the mass of commodities, this is enough to have a solid national currency in the country. But this will not happen with the current organization of the monetary economy in the country, with private ownership of precious metals mining enterprises and the absence of a state monopoly on their acquisition. It should be noted that the Central Bank does not require money to purchase these metals. On the contrary, when purchasing gold and reflecting its purchase in the bank’s assets, the amount of debt to the seller of the debt is simply recorded in the liability, that is, the country's money supply simply increases.

The second method is the refusal to open bank accounts of potential opponents, as was done by the USSR and China in 1952. Apparently, the current leaders of our Central Bank simply do not know this experience of the world monetary system, which was very well known Gerashchenko.

Given all of the above, it is necessary to conclude that the use of modern money, especially foreign, is inconsequential as a motivation for the economic and political activities of a sovereign state and a competent population. Therefore, the “free exchange rate of the national currency” does not correspond to the national interests of the country.

The next point of the Washington consensus: “Liberalization of foreign trade” (mainly due to lower import duties). Reducing import duty rates leads to cheaper imported goods, which may adversely affect the development of domestic production. Therefore, many countries seek to create equal, and better preferable conditions for their producers. The experience of France is very interesting in this regard.

There was invented value added tax, VAT. The inventor of this tax is Maurice Loret, Director of the Directorate of Taxes, Dues and VAT, of the French Ministry of Economy, Finance and Industry. At first, in 1954, a new type of tax was tested in the French colony, Côte d'Ivoire. Having recognized the experiment as successful, the French introduced it in their home in 1958. Subsequently, all countries of the European Community by a directive of the Council of the EEC were ordered to introduce VAT for economic entities on their territory until the end of 1972. This tax leads to higher prices for imports, but when applied to domestic goods, it also leads to higher prices for domestic goods. This makes it unprofitable to process raw materials domestically. The refusal of export taxation further stimulates the export of primary raw materials with minimal processing. As a result, the country becomes a raw materials appendage of other countries and a buyer of necessary goods abroad, even those made from its raw materials. Since this creates an excessive need for foreign currency, its economic and, therefore, foreign policy independence sharply decreases.

The extreme case of such dependence on other countries is the irrational use of export earnings. In the balance of payments it is not in vain reflected on the loan. For exported real values, only promises in the form of foreign currency are issued. If our state uses this currency to acquire the buyer's debt obligations, then double crediting of the buyer is obtained: first with goods, then with money. That is why the "developed" countries from ancient times sell less than they buy - unless they are paid with gold.

I want to remind you: when Khrushchev liquidated agriculture, he paid 2900 tons of gold for American grain. Truly, when you look at our rulers, you remember an old song: "Papa’s dad is strong in mathematics, papa decides, and Vasya gives up." It’s not difficult to guess who is “dad” in this song and who is “Vasya”. In any case, this does not even smell like competent bookkeeping.

This is the ten commandments of economic killers. And for those who can catch it, the eleventh one appears: grab whatever is in the colony on the basis of lies about world practice and settle in the metropolis for permanent residence.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 May 2020 05: 33 New
    +3
    The latter, weakening the ruble, is taking over an increasingly large part of our national property.
    And then we did not know. It is only the liberals who sing about how Americans work well and work a lot, hence they live well. fool
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 12 May 2020 05: 35 New
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      The key issue of money is ownership of resources and resources.

      Money is a derivative of resources.

      And we have a paradox. It seems that the resources in Russia belong to the people. But no ... At the forest, minerals, land, water, suddenly there were owners. And the recipients of the money.

      Substitution of concepts and making fools.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 12 May 2020 05: 53 New
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        Substitution of concepts and making fools.

        Yeah, and all this is wrapped in a beautiful package in the constitution ...
        He said many times that financial capital dominates in Russia ... that is, ordinary speculators who skillfully milk the people through banks ... the debt burden of people in our country is very high ... we must moderate the appetite of financiers otherwise we will always be poor with the country's richest resources.
        1. TuM0305
          TuM0305 12 May 2020 21: 36 New
          0
          What exactly to do, how to moderate their appetites, how to counter this?
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 12 May 2020 05: 57 New
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Money is a derivative of resources

        But to get resources, labor is needed. Money is a measure of labor. Those who print them may this work assign (as well as resources).
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 12 May 2020 06: 28 New
          +5
          Enter the gold ruble. Or "bloody Gaddafi" are in the eyes? Curiously, the Americans did not care much before ISIS, until they (ISIS) decided to introduce their own, gold currency:
          .
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 12 May 2020 06: 45 New
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            Looking at how the ruble has been falling (losing in real value) over the past 30 years, you can easily attribute it to the category of high-risk junk currencies (bonds). It clearly does not belong to the list of hard currencies (thanks to the efforts of the government).

            The population suffers, but the government, affiliated banks and commercial structures - profit.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 06: 54 New
              +4
              Quote: Stas157
              Looking at how the ruble falls (loses in real value) over the past 30 years, you can easily classify it as a high-risk junk currency

              No junk currencies (that's the term for securities). There are so-called highly profitable currencies. And the ruble is a highly profitable currency. For currency speculators, of course. And for the population - "high-cost".
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 12 May 2020 07: 15 New
                +6
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                No junk currencies

                It turns out there is.

                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                then about securities term

                Paper money is a kind of securities and bonds (see the history of the occurrence of money). But in some ways you’re right, the depreciated ruble is difficult to attribute to really valuable papers.

                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                ruble - highly profitable currency

                Tell your grandmothers about the high profitability of the ruble. (Although speculators do make money off the volatile falling "junk" currencies, that's why they call them "highly profitable".)
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 10: 23 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  This you tell grandmothers

                  Grandmothers are already in the know. You alone are an ignoramus. Shelter currencies and highly profitable currencies are well-established definitions.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 12 May 2020 11: 56 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                    Grandmothers are already in the know.

                    Are your grandmothers obviously professional carry traders who make money on high-risk assets?

                    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                    You alone are an ignoramus.

                    Does that upset you?
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 18: 35 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Does that upset you?

                      It is sad
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 07: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: Snail N9
            Enter the golden ruble

            China is testing a great currency right now. Crypto-based, but entirely state-owned. Glazyev told me. It is interesting that this money can be "marked", and apart from the goods for which it is intended, it cannot be spent. This is, in fact, a very powerful thing - with it, you can really change the whole system.
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 12 May 2020 09: 04 New
              +3
              Come on .... Are you serious? About crypto then? Those. owner (s) of software for this crypto Very Honest? laughing ... no ... no ... It's all like "Very honest thief. Well, very honest."
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 10: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: Alex Nevs
                Those. owner (s) of software for this crypto Very Honest?

                This is the country's central bank, in this case. So in terms of the owner - with papers there is no difference.
          3. knn54
            knn54 12 May 2020 07: 45 New
            +4
            "It's nothing that in Europe they give one fifty kopecks for our ruble, it will be worse if they start giving in the face for our ruble." M.E Saltykov-Shchedrin.
            "Give me control over the issue of money in the state, and I don't care who will write its laws." Mayer Rothschild.
            About the gold equivalent.
            The West stood on its hind legs when a gold dime was introduced into the USSR.
            Americans (and not only), for example, refused to sell cereals for gold. Which led to the famine. Helped out Iran.
            I.V. Stalin, with the support and initiative of third world countries, planned to introduce the gold ruble in 1953 ... 1954.
            Well, Maduro with the golden bolivar ...
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 12 May 2020 09: 06 New
              +2
              Did Stalin buy for gold? in 1941-1945 ?!
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 12 May 2020 10: 57 New
                +5
                Quote: Alex Nevs
                Did Stalin buy for gold? in 1941-1945 ?!


                Gold (1981) from the cruiser Edinburgh (1942)
              2. Thomas the Unbelieving
                12 May 2020 12: 51 New
                +1
                Yes, and the United States sold him for gold, because the Lend-Lease for us appeared only in '42.
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 10: 58 New
              +3
              Mixed into a bunch of horsemen.
            3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 18: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: knn54
              Americans (and not only), for example, refused to sell grain for gold. Which led to the famine.

              Let's be careful about our story? I want to focus on 2 points:
              1) The Holodomor is a purely term about Ukraine. But in 1932-1933, hunger was not only in Ukraine. About the Volga region, for example, have you heard? And then today, some Ukrainians were starving, but it seemed that everyone else was gone.
              2) The reason (one of the chain) is not that someone refused to sell us grain for gold, but that only grain was bought from us for currency. And the volute was needed for industrialization (to buy machines, equipment). So they cleaned out all the "currency" grain in cities and villages.
          4. ALARI
            ALARI 12 May 2020 12: 45 New
            0
            We can sink to the bottom.
          5. Prokuror-m
            Prokuror-m 12 May 2020 13: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: Snail N9
            Enter the gold ruble. Or "bloody Gaddafi" are in the eyes? Curiously, the Americans did not care much before ISIS, until they (ISIS) decided to introduce their own, gold currency:

            To the point .. Or the same M. Gaddafi .... And de Gaulle demanded for the paper dollars (for a bulk carrier) a gold cover. And where was de Gaulle then?
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 06: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: Stas157
          But it takes labor to get resources

          Labor is also a resource
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 12 May 2020 06: 57 New
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            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Labor is also a resource

            Labor or economic resource (in general, everything can be assigned as a resource and money too). But there it was a question of natural resources under the Constitution belonging to the people.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 07: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              in general, you can assign everything a resource and money too

              Not all, of course and not always. But yes, the concept of resources is indecently broad. And the raw material resource with low added value can be not only oil and the like, but also, for example, a low-skilled labor force, which no one spent on education and health care. Trading such a resource is even worse than oil, especially for export. Look at Ukraine - for the sake of this resource, European farmers, who are now sowing, even prolaborated a partial removal of coronovirus restrictions, after which Ukrainian slaves workers cheerfully drove trains to all the plantations of Europe.
              1. Snail N9
                Snail N9 12 May 2020 07: 10 New
                +7
                Russia strictly follows the rules of emission and regulation of the ruble imposed by the IMF and FRS. The head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation regularly travels to the United States and reports there on his activities, constantly receiving approval, "applause" and various "prestigious" titles in the way he strictly follows the recommendations of the "international currency regulators". In the west, following the recommendations of the IMF, the head of the Central Bank will receive both "international recognition" in his field of activity and prestigious titles, which can then be flaunting other goodies, but if she, like Gerashchenko, acts in the interests of her country, then she get it for yourself? Recognition of the inhabitants of the village "Gadyukino"? "Booing" from the entire world "financial elite"? Final retirement? Does she need it?
                1. Thomas the Unbelieving
                  12 May 2020 12: 53 New
                  +1
                  And the salary as a deputy. Siluanov as a member of the Board of Governors of the IMF.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 12 May 2020 15: 29 New
                -1
                Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Quote: Stas157
                in general, you can assign everything a resource and money too

                Not all, of course and not always. But yes, the concept of resources is indecently broad. And the raw material resource with low added value can be not only oil and the like, but also, for example, a low-skilled labor force, which no one spent on education and health care. Trading such a resource is even worse than oil, especially for export. Look at Ukraine - for the sake of this resource, European farmers, who are now sowing, even prolaborated a partial removal of coronovirus restrictions, after which Ukrainian slaves workers cheerfully drove trains to all the plantations of Europe.

                These slaves earn more than the average Russian and, of course, the average Ukrainian. I respect such people - they are able to raise the fifth point from the couch and go anywhere) for the sake of providing the family)).
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 18: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  These slaves earn more than the average Russian

                  How many? At your place in the Kuban farmers used to collect homeless people at train stations, and now Ukrainians shoved a rod to them. Do you think this is because farmers began to pay a lot?

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  I respect such people

                  Do you like people deprived of the opportunity to receive a normal education, deprived of medicine and other social guarantees? Do you like it when someone is placed in such conditions that he is forced to live on the condition of Gaster in a foreign country?
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 12 May 2020 19: 35 New
                    0
                    laughing
                    How many? From 900 EUR minimum. From 72 000 rub. I have never heard that farmers collect homeless people at train stations, about a jamb of Ukrainians - refugees who came as families appeared with events in the Donbass. some went to the farm.
                    As for normal education and medicine - everything is relative. )) Education and medicine, say, of a Portuguese, sucks compared to German education and medicine - etc.
                    An Israeli chef from Tel Aviv restaurant worked for Abramovich in Anadyr - why not a guest worker? )) An Indian programmer went to work in the States - also a Gaster. With a salary of 700 thousand rubles a month. fellow
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 21: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      From 900 EUR minimum. From 72 000 rub.

                      Well, let's take it. Suppose that during the period of planting and harvesting an average seasonal worker from Ukraine earns 900 euros per month in Europe. He works on the strength of 4 months a year (which is unlikely, since the payment there is not monthly, but daily or piecework - I think it is closer to reality that the employee will receive his 900 euros in a couple of the best months, the rest of the work will be less, the salary will be below). Total - 3600 euros per year (to have a permanent job, working on a seasonal job will not work, so in most cases this is Gaster’s entire income for the year). This is 300 euros per month, or 24 thousand rubles (for ours). Is this more than the average RFP in Russia? The one.
                      t.d.

                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      about a jamb of Ukrainians - refugees came from families with events in the Donbass

                      I’m talking about seasonal workers. For example, my acquaintance employs several dozen workers from the Poltava region. They come from year to year the same. It's not about refugees.

                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      never heard farmers collect homeless people
                      such a life hack.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 21: 43 New
                        0
                        And he won’t earn the rest of 8 months? )))) Well, if they are seasonal, then they pay them from 1200 and above, because a cashier in a German supermarket, say, received for 8 from work 5 times a week in 2012 1100 euros per month.
                        I haven’t met such people, I haven’t heard of them, I haven’t seen such ones. Seasonal - come from the surrounding villages. But from Ukraine ...
                      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 22: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And he won’t earn the rest of 8 months? ))))

                        Why are you so amused that a person cannot earn money at home? This is a pretty sad fact.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        and if seasonal, then pay them from 1200 and above

                        Judging by the affordable prices for tons of fruits and vegetables collected on the Internet - only a real ox can earn 1200 euros there. And so, to work all month non-stop - rarely happens. They’ll spend a couple of weeks on one, they are looking for the next owner - a simple one, for which no one pays. Judging by the reviews, the workers of 500-1000 euros are in the best month, if there is continuous work, plus it depends on the country.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        a cashier in a German supermarket, say, received for 8 from work 5 times a week in 2012 1100 euros

                        I am not familiar with this woman.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I have not heard of such

                        Now - I heard
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 22: 25 New
                        -1
                        laughing
                        Oh ... right now I’ll pay ... people work at some work at home, have the opportunity to take three to four months leave at their own expense, and now they are going to earn some money - what's so sad about that? )))
                        How do you know what and how they are paid? And for what ?? In Israel, Thai people in agriculture earn from 1500 tanks a month, and the work is not seasonal. Seasonal work - collecting oranges in Italy, is also paid for 1000 euros or more. Not at the same time - if you will make fun of you - they will fire you.
                        I lived in Germany for only six months and managed to get to know ... more than one such laughing
                        That's exactly what I heard. I have a little relation to agriculture))
                      4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 May 2020 22: 34 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I’ll pay ... people work at some work at home, have the opportunity to take three to four months leave

                        Only a school teacher comes to mind. Gastorbiter Intelligent.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        How do you know what and how they are paid? And for what?

                        Do you think they are traveling, not knowing how much they will be paid? If the Ukrainian Gaster is able to find such Old on the Internet, then I, too, can handle the thread, ches. word.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        in Italy, also paid for 1000 euros or more

                        Those. like I don’t know where, until you tell me? It’s a complete joke.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I have a bit to do with agriculture

                        This is you now about your test, from which the hard workers steal the drip irrigation hoses (something like "expensive Israeli equipment" was written, if my memory serves me right), and he left this business without achieving anything?
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 22: 59 New
                        -1
                        If the Ukrainian Gaster is able to find such Old on the Internet, then I, too, can handle the thread, ches. word.
                        Once again, I am writing to you - you are one of those people who will prove to the owners of luxury cars about the advantages and disadvantages of their cars from knowledge gained on the Internet, to chew visitors to expensive restaurants about the features of the menu of establishments from the reviews published on the network. laughing Now, how is hiring going? A site is being made - without specifics in salaries, because it’s the earnings of an intermediary who recruits such people and only after an interview does the person know what they are signing up for. He knows exactly what and how much it costs only having arrived in the country
                        As for the teacher - well, there are all sorts of drivers, representatives of professions with piecework salaries, repairmen, etc.
                        Those. like I don’t know where, until you tell me? It’s a complete joke.
                        Remembering you - I think that from the Internet)).
                        This is you now about your test, from which the hard workers steal the drip irrigation hoses (something like "expensive Israeli equipment" was written, if my memory serves me right), and he left this business without achieving anything?

                        Why not having achieved? The farm is working laughing
                      6. Liam
                        Liam 12 May 2020 23: 14 New
                        +2
                        Bird hi
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        to chew visitors to expensive restaurants about the features of the menu of establishments from reviews published on the network

                        When the advantages and disadvantages of dishes are discussed by people who have never tried them, it is always fun to read)
                        And the payment for work (at least in Italy) is always hourly. Trade unions and associations of industry employers conclude so-called national labor contracts every few years in which the level of payment is set for the period. And it’s not important for the Italian or Ukrainian, you will receive exactly how much is prescribed in this contract. This also applies to seasonal workers
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 23: 16 New
                        0
                        hi Noapte Bune!
                        What is going on with a pandemic in Italy, tell me, pliz. Like relief already come in?
                      8. Liam
                        Liam 12 May 2020 23: 26 New
                        +2
                        Well, quarantine ended on the 4th. Everything works except for schools. Even in September they will only open it. Bars / restaurants are with restrictions, only takeaways until the 18th, if there are no surges. And all are masked and on the streets and at work
                      9. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 23: 29 New
                        0
                        Fine! Congratulations ))
                        We still have take-out cafes, grocery stores open, mostly deaf until the 23rd. ((
                        It's nice to know that somewhere life is returning to normal.
                      10. Liam
                        Liam 12 May 2020 23: 36 New
                        +1
                        The year will be difficult. -10% of the economy at least)
                        Russia, as always, has a special way in everything. Quarantining at 1000 sick people a day and quitting at 11.000 in 45 days is a kind of achievement.
                        By the way. With the abolition of self-isolation, are salaries paid and those whose enterprises remain closed?
                      11. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 23: 39 New
                        +1
                        In theory, everything will open. But if you are talking about state support to employers, then it is canceled, the business becomes working)).
                      12. Liam
                        Liam 12 May 2020 23: 41 New
                        +2
                        In Moscow, the same mode seems to be extended until the 31st and a lot of things remain closed if I understand correctly)
                      13. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 23: 46 New
                        0
                        I don’t know - there’s not much anyone knows laughing I have no idea what will work in Krasnodar, I’m generally silent about Moscow ... that \ that I’m interested in, works in the capital, the rest is somehow uninteresting)) In theory, if the business is still not working due to a pandemic, then there are payments from the state in the amount of 150 euros per person. Despite the fact that in Moscow the white salary may well be 1000 euros, I prefer not to think request
                      14. Liam
                        Liam 12 May 2020 23: 55 New
                        +2
                        I've missed football). There was a ticket for March 4 at Juve Milan. And the 3rd match was canceled laughing
                      15. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 May 2020 23: 58 New
                        +1
                        Taki there is a Belarusian league fellow )) In Italy, there is a restriction on citizens traveling abroad?
                      16. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 00: 04 New
                        +1
                        On departure, it seems there is no. They just do not take it particularly anywhere in this period. Yes, and wherever you go, they will immediately go to quarantine for two weeks)
                        They say that prices for air travel will skyrocket. Under the new rules, only half of the seats on airplanes can be filled by passengers. As in buses / pozdes, however
                      17. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 00: 09 New
                        +1
                        Great Britain accepts)) A new direction for treatment abroad laughing
                      18. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 00: 10 New
                        +1
                        My sister lives in London. Not the best period for trips to them now)
                      19. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 00: 13 New
                        0
                        Everything is simpler here - if a person needs urgent proton radiotherapy, say, which he cannot or does not want to undergo in Russia, then you understand that cancer is still more dangerous than coronavirus. )))
                      20. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 00: 22 New
                        +2
                        Do you do this business?)
                      21. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 00: 24 New
                        0
                        Pitiful remnants after the fall of the ruble - to Germany and Israel. Before the fall, I thought to expand to Italy, but the Russians have not much demand for this, unfortunately, although Italian medicine is very high-quality.
                      22. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 00: 30 New
                        +1
                        I somehow operated on about 3 years ago. Sin to complain.
                        I know a bunch of people from post-Soviet countries who called their parents to visit and operated here for free. Everything is absolutely free)
                      23. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 00: 31 New
                        +1
                        At the expense of the tourist's health insurance and the "sudden" worsening of symptoms? ))
                        I didn’t think that Italians are so naive laughing
                      24. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 00: 38 New
                        +2
                        They operate without questions and without medical insurance. A friend about 10 years ago was here an underground without a visa and without any insurance naturally. He fell and broke his tibia. Three operations at the highest level, titanium and all that. I paid 22 euros of ticket)
                      25. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 00: 45 New
                        +1
                        That is, through the emergency room? )))
                      26. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 01: 03 New
                        +1
                        Naturally. His Ambulance took away)
                        Doctors here have a simple psychology. They have a law, to provide quality care to the patient. Who is this patient, what kind of document does he have, whether he has it at all, whether he is left or right, Italian or Papuan is not a doctor’s problem. Let the police understand this later. I know cases when doctors sent police officers who came to the clandestine hospitals away to find out the identity, etc. Something like this, the person is now just sick and the law obliges me to save and cure him. When I write him out, then take him out and find out, and now I’m commanding. And the court sided with the doctor not cops)
                      27. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 01: 09 New
                        0
                        In Israel, if the situation is really urgent, they do the same. Just then, if you don’t pay without insurance, you won’t enter the country, and without health insurance they can turn up at the airport. I had a couple of clever guys who made it easier - diagnostics and paid, then stopped by the hospital with "acute pain" for an operation, which was planned a little later. The ambush was in a contract with my Russian company laughing In any case, I had to pay for the operation. Well, the urgent operation was done by the surgeon on duty, not the planned professor.
                      28. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 01: 15 New
                        +2
                        The joke is that if the doctor does not provide full and qualified medical care to clandestine and this sues, the doctor will go under the article and the hospital will pay big money for the damage to health).
                      29. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 01: 17 New
                        +1
                        This is clear. Under Israeli law, the same song. Therefore, there is medical tourism - an agent pays for such a freebie, that is, I)).
                        But how I get the money from the patient is not their concern.
                      30. Liam
                        Liam 13 May 2020 01: 28 New
                        +1
                        Well, now there are practically no klandestins from eastern Europe. The former social camp is already in the EU, Ukraine and Moldova are on visa-free travel and come with medical insurance.
                        And your business will flourish. The pandemic gave a powerful impetus and investments in medicine will grow even more in Europe. Although before that it was the first item of budget expenditures. 5 times more than in the army or police)
                      31. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 May 2020 01: 31 New
                        -1
                        Not really - it all depends on the incomes of the Russian population, as well as on the timing of the return of German and Israeli hospitals to a routine position, without being prepared to accept a wave of patients with coronavirus)). It will be only in six months - a year.
  2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 May 2020 03: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Now, how is hiring going?

    Excursion into not our reality

    Quote: Krasnodar
    About the teacher

    There are exceptions everywhere, because we are talking about the average.
  • Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 12 May 2020 07: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    Labor or economic resource (in general, everything can be assigned as a resource and money too).

    No. You can assign everything to a product (i.e., you can sell anything if you wish). A resource may be a commodity in itself (mother oil, gas-father), but a commodity is far from always a resource. Let's say the 10th iPhone.
    And about money I wrote a little lower.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 12 May 2020 08: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Kuroneko
      No. You can assign everything goods.

      And the goods resource. After all, commodity resources are the basic material for the development of trade of any trade enterprise.

      An empty argument. The discussion above was only about Natural resources.
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 12 May 2020 08: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        A product is a resource.

        What is the iPhone resource of Russia? How many thousand tons do you estimate, and what can we produce from it?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 12 May 2020 08: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: Kuroneko
          What is the resource of iPhones in Russia?

          Half a year. Then the glass breaks, if not protected.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 12 May 2020 10: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Kuroneko
      You can assign everything to a product

      why "assign"? Everything has a price, which means everything is a commodity. Tell me, what can't you buy now for money and for very big money?
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 12 May 2020 11: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        why "assign"?

        Because comrade Stas157 put it that way. I just answered him in the same style.
        And if you read my post more closely, you would see the words
        those. if you want, you can sell anything

        so I don’t understand what this nit-picking is from scratch. = _ =
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 12 May 2020 11: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Kuroneko
          why this nit-picking from scratch

          why nitpicking? Not at all! hi
      2. Polymer
        Polymer 12 May 2020 18: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Tell me, what can’t you buy now for money and for very big money?

        Elementary. Tell me, how much will it cost to personally change your sexual orientation, and in the passive version, for one hour?
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 12 May 2020 07: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Money is a derivative of resources.

    Not just resources.
    The ruble mass is proportional to both natural resources, and industrial products, and the demanded services produced in Russia.
    And then they write about some kind of peg to the dollar when we have a long, floating rate. so, repeat the beaten stamp.
    After all, the "knight understands" that if oil and other hydrocarbons, which provide a very significant value of the ruble, have fallen in price by 2 times in dollars, then the ruble exchange rate will drop. and it is good that by 10 rubles, and not by 20. This means the dependence on oil, although not quickly, is decreasing.
    Can I make the ruble exchange rate stable? Snap it to gold for example. But this is unlikely to have a positive effect.
    Firstly, gold is still not enough in the gold reserves of the Russian Federation.
    Secondly, if the free exchange of the ruble for gold is allowed, then it will float freely abroad, recall de Gaulle and his exchange of dollars for gold.
    Thirdly, even with this option, it will be necessary to reduce and raise ruble prices for natural resources, etc., following the fluctuation of prices in world currencies.
    And pegging to gold limits the Central Bank’s maneuver to saturate the economy with money, there may be a shortage of the ruble mass necessary for the development of the country, because only gold will be formally taken into account in securing the ruble.
    What to do, what to do? And besides how to increase the production of goods and services, and in demand, there is no way out. request
    You can, of course, set a fixed rate, as in the USSR, and cancel the free sale of currencies. But ... it is unlikely that it will get better.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 12 May 2020 07: 31 New
      +3
      In the UK already, there are gold vending machines ....
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 10: 13 New
        0
        Well, let's say what are they?
    2. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 12 May 2020 08: 16 New
      +3
      Can I make the ruble exchange rate stable? Snap it to gold for example. But this is unlikely to have a positive effect.
      Firstly, gold is still not enough in the gold reserves of the Russian Federation.
      Secondly, if the free exchange of the ruble for gold is allowed, then it will float freely abroad, recall de Gaulle and his exchange of dollars for gold.
      Thirdly, even with this option, it will be necessary to reduce and raise ruble prices for natural resources, etc., following the fluctuation of prices in world currencies.
      And pegging to gold limits the Central Bank’s maneuver to saturate the economy with money, there may be a shortage of the ruble mass necessary for the development of the country, because only gold will be formally taken into account in securing the ruble.

      Replace the word "gold" in your opus with the word "dollar" and you have today's situation.
      Money from the "equivalent of labor" has turned into a "commodity", moreover, into a "commodity" in which not a single penny has been invested of that "labor". Today money is not the "equivalent of labor", today money is the "equivalent of trust" - they trust someone more, someone less. That's all. Returning "trust" to the ruble, or at least "need", is quite simple - you need to sell resources and goods produced in Russia only for rubles. Then the importer will have to buy rubles, keep them on his account, etc. And for what will he buy these same rubles? For "santics"? Perhaps, but only in the part that will cover the needs of Russia in the goods of the country, the issuer of "santikas". The rest, be kind enough to borrow in the same rubles or other nishtyak (for example, "loyalty"). A positive trade balance allows for such a policy.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 10: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: pmkemcity
        one must sell resources and goods produced in Russia only for rubles.

        Well, let’s make the whole world go over to the ruble right away.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 12 May 2020 11: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Well, let’s make the whole world go over to the ruble right away.

          China forced?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2020 17: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            China forced?

            He just still did not fully understand all the advantages. laughing
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 13 May 2020 05: 09 New
              0
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              He just still did not fully understand all the advantages.

              Our problem (not only with China) is that we have a positive trade balance. They would be happy to offer us something to level it out, but the poor population cannot consume imported goods. Hence the desire (by no means of the Chinese or Germans) to get the surplus in the "cash", that is, in dollars.
          2. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 13 May 2020 05: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            China forced?

            The Chinese imperialists are no better than the Western ones, and if thieves conduct a dialogue with them, then the concepts in this dialogue will be thieves.
  • Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 12 May 2020 07: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Money is a derivative of resources.

    No, actually. Derivative of resources it's product (which is produced from resources - however, the resource itself can also be a commodity). And money is, in general, just an abstract fiction, invented purely for convenience. By itself, money is useless and has no real value (unless you use banknotes to light the stove, and coins - like sinkers for a fishing rod). It is just that their introduction made it possible to introduce a single coordinate system that allows one to compare the value of a particular product in a single "parrot", and not "three goats for one copper ax."
    But they have nothing to do with the resources themselves. You cannot produce more goods than you have resources for this, here the connection is unconditional - for the fundamental law of physics in our world. But one and the same resource (or its derivative - a commodity) can be assessed as you like, even if, say, 10 parrots, but even 38. The money supply is not tied to resources and does not follow from their quantity in any way: it, in fact, is invented from the bulldozer - just everyone agreed to count in this coordinate system like this, and not somehow differently. And at any moment someone can change it according to their wish (and if this “someone” is influential enough, then again everyone will agree).
    And all these financial soap bubbles are inflated precisely due to the fact that in the minds of most some very cunning people have rooted the idea that money is also a universal product that has its own value. And since money - air itself (see above), it has become very convenient to make even more air out of this air - resource costs, unlike real production, zero.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 12 May 2020 08: 27 New
      +2
      On YouTube I watched videos about the "virtuality" of our world and "predictors" about our "future". One person, there, spoke in the spirit that "digitalization" will in any case lead to the creation of a "world government", to the universal chipping and customization of humanity, that is, to the division of society into open and closed castes according to the position of each member in the creation and distribution of the social product and maintaining the functioning of society. In such conditions, money, as a means of payment-exchange, under the plausible pretext of combating all kinds of abuse, will generally be removed and replaced with the POSSIBILITY of free receipt of certain benefits. There will come a kind of "communism" - everyone will be able to move within a certain zone, receive only a limited set of goods, services, means for life, only according to their position in their caste, that is, there will be differentiation by the color of pants as in "Kin Dza Dza ". The higher the unit moves up the hierarchy in its caste and moves from one caste to another, the more OPPORTUNITY it will have, in material terms, in terms of rights and freedoms, etc. Quite a realistic vision of our future, don't you think?
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 12 May 2020 08: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Snail N9
        The higher the unit will advance in the hierarchy in its caste and move from one caste to another

        Here is a mistake. The possibilities of a vertical social elevator should be minimized (to its actual absence). The maximum that still can be left to slaves is only a horizontal elevator. And then the untouchable commercials and can get into the brahmins! What for brahmins such happiness? Born as a pariah - that means you will be.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 12 May 2020 10: 15 New
          0
          Here is a mistake. The possibilities of a vertical social elevator should be minimized (to its actual absence)

          No mistake, you need an influx of fresh blood into the castes, otherwise they will degrade.
          1. Kuroneko
            Kuroneko 12 May 2020 10: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Snail N9
            No mistake, you need an influx of fresh blood into the castes, otherwise they will degrade.

            For such cases, the super-rich elite have an "adoption" mechanism. And it is they who always choose the "breeding bull". Those. it is by no means a vertical social lift.
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 13 May 2020 05: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Kuroneko
              For such cases, the super-rich elite have a mechanism for "adoption"

              All this eugenics has long been in the past, now genetic engineering will create a superman, of course, only for a wealthy customer.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 12 May 2020 11: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Snail N9
            No mistake, you need an influx of fresh blood into the castes, otherwise they will degrade.

            It is necessary to start up blood and not to pour lol
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 12 May 2020 09: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Money is a derivative of resources

    money is a derivative of labor negative
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 12 May 2020 10: 13 New
    0
    It seems that the resources in Russia belong to the people. But no ...


  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 12 May 2020 13: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    The key issue of money is ownership of resources and resources.

    Two years ago I said that the dollar is one of the most powerful means against any people who disagree with the Anglo-Saxons. And it is a weapon more powerful than all US aircraft carriers combined.
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    And we have a paradox. It seems that the resources in Russia belong to the people. But no ... At the forest, minerals, land, water, suddenly there were owners. And the recipients of the money.

    Substitution of concepts and making fools.

    That's right. In this case, I often ask myself the question: what happened to gas, water, gasoline, etc., what, in comparison with the prices of the USSR, are they now so predatory? Do we get all this from Mars, and are such prices due to the high cost of transit?
    I have said here many times that OWNERSHIP has not gone away, but only the sign has changed its name. But the essence is the same. 90% of people, not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the world in general, are essentially slaves. And this crisis and quarantine have clearly shown this. People sit at home and eat away the remnants of their savings, while many have loans that need to be paid regularly, mortgages, etc. And also a communal apartment and much more.
    You can create the best fighters, ICBMs and ships, but ... as long as we are dependent on the dollar, all this does not matter much.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 May 2020 09: 18 New
    0
    Here's how to look, they live well, because they rob well almost the whole world and simply steal, as we say now oil in Syria. And if you call it work, and why not, then it turns out something with which you do not agree. fellow
  • Civil
    Civil 12 May 2020 09: 40 New
    +3
    There is no money, but you hold on, good mood!
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  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 12 May 2020 12: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    The latter, weakening the ruble, is taking over an increasingly large part of our national property.
    And then we did not know. It is only the liberals who sing about how Americans work well and work a lot, hence they live well. fool

    So in the article about the liberals it is said -
    And for those who can catch it, the eleventh one appears: grab whatever is in the colony on the basis of lies about world practice and settle in the metropolis for permanent residence.
  • To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 12 May 2020 12: 46 New
    0
    There are two questions.
    1. How many enterprises in Russia are foreign capital?
    2. The amount of money exported from Russia for the hill?
  • Stas157
    Stas157 12 May 2020 05: 38 New
    +5
    . Or we can just by conventional signs on paper or electronic media.

    With the advent of modern "money" and banks, the slave system was no longer needed. But slavery has not gone anywhere!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 May 2020 06: 10 New
      +6
      But slavery has not gone anywhere!

      It is interesting how modern slavery of an average statistical citizen will look ... full information about which will be available at the touch of a button in a computer keyboard.
      What a society without cash will look like when banks are completely dominant.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 12 May 2020 06: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        It is interesting how modern slavery of an average statistical citizen will look ...full information about which will be available at the click of a button in the keyboard of the computer.

        The slave owner knew less about his slaves than the current banks about his customers. They know not only the solvency and credit history of a person, but also the scan of his face in 3D, a picture of the iris and fingerprints (biometrics).

        One could escape from the slave owner, but one cannot get away from modern banks.
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    2. New Year day
      New Year day 12 May 2020 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      But slavery has not gone anywhere!

      At the initiative of the Ministry of Justice, the Russian official workflow will be replenished with the term "Commoner". It is introduced so that it can be used in one word to indicate a large category of citizens of the Russian Federation, to which the vast majority of laws and by-laws apply.
      ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/33/35910/-
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 12 May 2020 06: 11 New
    +1
    In 1950, the budget revenues of 422 billion, expenditures of 413 billion, as of 01.12.1950/32/29,2 of the same year, all the money in the country was 2,2 billion (0,9 bank, XNUMX treasury bills, XNUMX hard-currency). What difference does the ruble have if cash serves a relatively small economy? How such an example can serve as an example of the success of the gold den. units?
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 12 May 2020 06: 12 New
    +5
    Our neo-feudal lords, by and large, do not even need a local rupe from the word at all ... their salaries in wooden voiced like this ... for the sake of fun for Aboriginal people. In terms of the public ownership of the subsoil, land and other similar resources - where does such a ballad + legend come from ... like someone else believes in this ??? For example: in my city, a large hydroelectric power station and it has been driving all the energy to China for several decades (and evil tongues say that they sell it there at bargain prices ... we pay a lot more per kilowatt-hour on the spot because it's electricity with our CHPP of our city.
    Here is an excerpt from an HONEST INVESTIGATION:
    JSC EuroSibEnergo, which at one time privatized the Bratsk HPP, Irkutsk HPP, Krasnoyarsk HPP and Ust-Ilimsk HPP. Now, according to "American sanctions", the US will appoint members to the Board of Directors. If this is not colonial rule, then what is colonial rule.
    There is nothing to blame on the liberals and the Americans ... they were not selling the Angarsk cascade. And as a result, the new owners - Cyprus, offshore companies = Question to the government: Why are strategically important enterprises managed by it is not clear to whom?
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/psiandrdp/rassledovanie-energetika-sibiri-prodana-inostrancam-5c85df90dbfb6c00b591c091
    Hence the direct conclusion that we are a colony, and with a paradox at the exit - the colonialists do not finish off and do not tear to pieces the acquired capacities and resources, unlike those that came before them (the experience is purely of my city).
    In the Irkutsk region there was only one real governor - KNIVES, he was sharply against the sale of the Angarsk cascade ... but he was quickly euthanized and the kingdom of heaven was said to people (and he was Korean by nationality).
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 May 2020 06: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Question to the government: Why are strategically important enterprises managed by an unclear whom?

      Just because it was for this reason that the collapse of the USSR was carried out, when the unforgettable GMS and EBN led us to the crisis of the ideology of socialism through forgery, deception and bribery, and today Mr. GDP is trying to "fix" the situation. That is why the source of power selects and selects guarantors, and guarantors put everything and put on this source. Their guarantees are provided by offshore companies, foreign currency accounts and property registers for the former public property, the one that worked for all the peoples of the USSR.
  • Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh 12 May 2020 06: 13 New
    +2
    An article, of course, for specialists, written by a specialist. But something can be understood. It is correctly noted that the USSR got hooked on the "oil needle" due to miscalculations in the development of the economy. By developing the production of means of production, the Union severely limited its ability to create consumer goods that could be exported. As a result, in order to receive foreign exchange earnings that could move the economy forward, they had to sell what they paid for - raw materials in the form of oil, gas, metals. And the production of consumer goods was in the background.
    The economy grows when capital flows into the economy no matter what national or foreign. All manipulations with the currency, interest rate, taxes are needed to attract capital to the economy. In the case of the USSR, the economy was pumped up with money due to proceeds from the export of natural resources (mainly oil). While oil prices were high, the economy was growing, but as soon as prices fell, capital inflows declined and the economy began to stagnate.
    In modern Russia, the problem is not even dependent on the price of oil and gas, but in a very large outflow of capital to offshore. Most of what a country earns by selling natural resources is derived from the national economy.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 May 2020 06: 27 New
      +4
      The article is ... I don’t even know what. Just enchanting nonsense, designed for non-specialists
      1. Courier
        Courier 12 May 2020 07: 25 New
        -4
        Haha This is you to the point.
        The courier is not special in economics, but all this conspiracy theology, for averting eyes.
        You can’t blame the dollar, you can’t throw everything on Washington’s heads.
        The dollar in its current form is beneficial to anyone, but not the United States.
        A strong dollar makes American products too expensive in the global market.
        And the role of the world currency forces the United States to maintain a negative trade balance, and as a result to increase its public debt
        When the dollar system really ends, all those who hate it will finally have the "perfect" opportunity to go bankrupt by investing in the "right" currencies.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 12 May 2020 08: 29 New
          +6
          Quote: Courier
          The dollar in its current form is beneficial to anyone, but not the United States

          Really! How can you exchange precious crisp dollars for something you don't know! This is what a "thankless" role to provide the whole world with dollars (cut paper) in exchange for resources.

          Quote: Courier
          A strong dollar makes American products too expensive in the global market.

          Why do they need American products (they have already transferred almost all production to third world countries)? They have a dollar! They can buy everything.

          Quote: Courier
          When does the dollar system really end

          When the dollar collapses, like any pyramid, the "casino owner" will win. And those who managed to collect fabulous dollar debts. These are primarily the United States (with a national debt) and the most developed countries of the West. You won't have to pay off your debts.
        2. Thomas the Unbelieving
          12 May 2020 13: 08 New
          +1
          You are not up to date. For almost two hundred years, England and France profited from the colonies, having a negative trade balance. The United States also does not suffer, receiving real values ​​for empty promises. And even these promises will be frozen, for example, as they did with Iran for the oil they supplied.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 12 May 2020 06: 16 New
    +7
    The Soviet ruble is money. The American dollar is the currency.
    Money is a medium of exchange. Currency is a means of deception.
    The system is built on the exchange. Antisystem is built on deception.
    Throw out by your own brains what you have gotten into ...
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 12 May 2020 06: 29 New
    +3
    Khrushchev’s “experiment” over the Soviet economy ended with the fact that he snapped the whole country's gold reserves to buy American grain.
    I am to N.S. Khrushchev has a negative attitude, but this is nonsense in my opinion.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2020 10: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      but this is nonsense in my opinion.

      it is a fact.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 12 May 2020 10: 57 New
        0
        Quote: aybolyt678
        it is a fact.

        Confirmed by what?
        1. Thomas the Unbelieving
          12 May 2020 13: 14 New
          +1
          Of course, data on the country's gold reserves have always been top secret before. But in this case Mikoyan said this when he suggested to the employees of the State Planning Commission to calculate the growth of the country's national income through the purchase of American grain (?). See the link in my book Money and Economic Decisions.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 12 May 2020 13: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Thomas the Unbeliever
            See the link in my book Money and Economic Decisions.
            With some words of Mikoyan, and even in your book? So-so source.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 May 2020 06: 47 New
    +6
    If we discard different currency calculations, you can notice a large number of dollars from the landlords. Perhaps my opinion is erroneous. But I think the accumulation of US dollars is a help to the US economy.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 May 2020 06: 47 New
    +4
    I put a “+” to the professor for a thorough analysis of the situation and a number of examples. I love informative lectures.
    Modern bankers differ from medieval moneylenders only in the way they give receipts: moneylenders wrote debt receipts, bankers got digital media. Some used non-existent “paper” gold for enrichment, others used some electronic numbers that did not have not only gold, but any content whatsoever, except for the created lending program.
    By the way, in the recent past, material appeared telling how the balances of a few rubles legally disappear from our accounts with you ... This is to the fact that in banking you can not disdain anything.
    The only thing I wanted to know in detail and in detail was an effective way to get rid of this banking speculation. But, for well-known reasons, it becomes clear that they will not be told in open mass sources.
    1. Thomas the Unbelieving
      12 May 2020 13: 16 New
      +1
      Thank you for understanding. About what interests you, you can read at V.I. Lenin.
      1. Prokuror-m
        Prokuror-m 12 May 2020 13: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Thomas the Unbeliever
        About what interests you, you can read at V.I. Lenin.

        Lenin wrote a lot of interesting things, which is still very important today ..
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 May 2020 07: 05 New
    +5
    One can argue with the author about the "philosophy of money". But it was interesting to read about VAT or just compare with our own conclusions.
    But about the "alternative to comrade Lieberman", somehow vague ...
    Ultimately, a three-person preparation report for the leadership in the reception of the chairman of the State Planning Committee was prepared: EA Ivanov (consolidated department of the State Planning Commission), Matlin AM (department for the introduction of economic and mathematical methods in planning the national economy), Belousov R.A. (NIIE Gosplan of the USSR). The report was approved at the September plenary session of the CPSU Central Committee, and that was the end of the matter. The main ideas of the report were published in a collective work published immediately after the plenary session: “Economic maneuver and methods of managing”.


    But the author declares about a possible way of development of the socialist economy! .. A loud hint - but without proof. I would like "at least in general terms."
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2020 10: 41 New
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      But the author declares about a possible way of development of the socialist economy! .. A loud hint - but without proof. I would like "at least in general terms."

      Do you need a lecture on gerontology ???
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 12 May 2020 10: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: samarin1969
        But the author declares about a possible way of development of the socialist economy! .. A loud hint - but without proof. I would like "at least in general terms."

        Do you need a lecture on gerontology ???

        ??
        Why? .... It's just that the Kosygin-Lieberman project is known. Nothing is known about the "alternatives". Initially, I was skeptical about Mr. Matlin's "project of economics". But maybe the author will explain the work of the "speakers".
        This is not curiosity, but professional interest. wink
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 May 2020 11: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: samarin1969
          It's just that the Kosygin-Lieberman project is known. Nothing is known about the "alternatives".

          there is such a book "War after the war, information occupation continues" by Lisichkin. There is some detail about this reform and alternatives.
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 12 May 2020 11: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            "War after war, information occupation continues" Lisichkin.

            Thank you. hi I looked through it. I haven’t found about the economy yet. But the book is rather unusual. In a calm time it is worth getting acquainted.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 12 May 2020 07: 15 New
    +4
    It is not that the ruble is pegged to the dollar, it has always been pegged to it, since the state is part of the global economy.
    The point is how much the state is self-sufficient, during the Soviet era, about 80-85% of domestic consumption products were produced within the state. Let sometimes ugly, but his.
    As a specialist wrote in the Second World War, the USSR won for one simple reason, he produced ignition systems for engines on his own.
    Now self-sufficiency is not more than 15%, complete dependence on supplies from outside.
    In the 90s, enterprises that worked for export were the first to cut.
    The penultimate nail in the economy, accession to the WTO, was lobbied by "our" oligarchs drooling over the western metal market, such as filling up the budget with dollars .... the result .... the loss of the aluminum industry, its transfer as a prize to the Americans.
    If you pay attention to Russia there are no oligarchs, all foreign citizens holding property in our country have a Russian passport, no more, and taxes are paid everywhere in the world, but not in Russia.
    Therefore, one should not be surprised that some kind of Ireland, which actually does not produce anything, has a higher productivity than in Russia.
    Therefore, the increase in money supply during the Soviet era led to economic growth. since money is the blood of the economy, then in modern Russia tomorrow they will already work abroad for the economy of the West.
    We did all this a hundred years ago, when we were refused to sell products and equipment for gold, nothing has changed in the global economy, global integration is not for Russia.
    1. akunin
      akunin 12 May 2020 10: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      Therefore, one should not be surprised that some kind of Ireland, which actually does not produce anything, has a higher productivity than in Russia.

      wherever you pay taxes (foreign countries, offshore) labor productivity does not depend on it. renew fixed assets, train workers, organize the labor process and get productivity growth. if you pay taxes with us, but all the profit remains with you (do not invest in development), then productivity in ... opera.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2020 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      It is not that the ruble is pegged to the dollar, it has always been pegged to it, since the state is part of the global economy.

      if the ruble was tightly tied to the dollar, it would be a little easier and more visual
      Quote: Strashila
      world integration is not for Russia.

      why so? you can offer the world another product instead of oil - education, medicine, etc. with a large share of intellectual and scientific work ... only then, then, the authorities will face the same problem as the Khrushchev partyocrats - we must work !!!
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 12 May 2020 07: 17 New
    +3
    It seems to me the doctor writes some ....
    Gold is a medium of exchange, just like any other. It is valuable if there is something to change. Here are just the cost of its production and printing of banknotes is not comparable. The question is why should the money supply be tied to some metal? The introduction of the gold coin standard in 1897 affected the market economy in the most sad way.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2020 10: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: strannik1985
      The question is why should the money supply be tied to some metal?

      How do you feel about energy ruble? smile
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  • Ethnarchist
    Ethnarchist 12 May 2020 08: 22 New
    0
    Laws are written to circumvent them ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 May 2020 08: 24 New
    0
    Old songs about the main, in a positive sense ...
  • Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 12 May 2020 08: 44 New
    -1
    If you do not ask the bank to repay his debt to you, then he will give a loan to another client for this amount, but on his own behalf. This loan is the client’s debt to the bank. But the bank will provide this loan in its usual form - as a bank debt. It turns out this way: the bank owes you plus it still owes another client the same money that you gave him a loan. This is called scientifically: the money multiplier, for starters, just a doubling of the money supply.
    The author unconstrainedly mixed debit and credit in one pile, folded them and got what he called a money multiplier fellow
  • akunin
    akunin 12 May 2020 09: 48 New
    0
    As ethnographers and anthropologists show, in the primeval exchange there was no need for such goods. There has always been a certain ritual of exchange. And in our country in the 90s, we widely used barter, often without mediation of money.
    back to the Stone Age? Does the author want or not money, for all its artificiality, the blood of the economy, if you replace it with another equivalent (gold, diamonds, shells, glass ... underline what you need), then you only replace the physical expression of the equivalent, and not principle. well, what about cryptocurrencies? there is not even a physical expression, only the principle remains.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 12 May 2020 09: 49 New
    +1
    Informative article. The author plus. It was interesting to read and ponder what they read, since, basically, most people understand little about finance and commodity-money relations. And in the article you can understand a lot for yourself why bankers always steer while sitting on the back of the working people .
  • 1_2
    1_2 12 May 2020 12: 01 New
    0
    to stop the impoverishment of the people, as a result of the constant depreciation of the ruble exchange rate from the age of 91, you just need to switch to the Soviet Stalinist model of the economy, in which they fought hard money with speculators, including currency:

    1 must prohibit the circulation of foreign currency
    2 it is necessary to close the currency exchange of speculators, leave the stock market
    3 ruble exchange rate will be determined by the Ministry of Finance, based on the profitability of nat. manufacturers
    4To those who want to go over the hill to rest, let them look for resorts where they are willing to pay in Russian rubles
    5 foreigners (purchase of the ruble) and Ross importers represented by state wholesale companies (purchase of foreign currency) can exchange currencies in only one foreign trade state bank of the Russian Federation (rate of the Ministry of Finance)


    do not sell currency for the population (rubles can be stored in "gold accounts", if currency is found, confiscation without trial), if the country stupidly lacks currency, then the share of imported goods will decrease (accordingly, the production of Russian goods will grow), and will not depreciate Russian ruble (which we have been observing since 91), and there will be no rise in prices (including the growth of goods), in the USSR it was like that, prices were held for decades, the share of imports was minimal, everyone bought domestic goods, as a result, they worked factories, factories, there was no unemployment (plus free public housing), and no one was worried that he did not have imported trousers of boots, but whoever bothered (3% of the population) foolishly gave speculators half of the salary for jeans and other nonsense, but this is their own business, how to manage their wages, the main thing is that the rest of the population of 97% does not become impoverished from rising prices and has a job producing domestic goods (the quality and novelty of which is determined by specialists-engineers, designers, etc.) d)
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 12 May 2020 13: 19 New
      +1
      Are you serious, or was it a banter now?
  • Applicata-alex
    Applicata-alex 12 May 2020 13: 24 New
    0
    Regarding the article by Matlin A.M. on topwar.ru.
    I completely agree. The policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the economic policy of the Government of the Russian Federation lead to complete degradation of production in Russia and the education sector. Small and medium-sized businesses are almost destroyed. Taxes are such that many entrepreneurs can no longer carry out their activities. The level of education has fallen so much that you have to hire a tutor for your children, and this is already starting from 4th - 5th grade. Something needs to be done nationwide. This is just my opinion.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 12 May 2020 13: 59 New
      0
      Please explain how the policy of the Central Bank is related to the level of education?
      1. Applicata-alex
        Applicata-alex 12 May 2020 14: 07 New
        0
        Directly - is not connected, it is connected indirectly. It is connected through the conditions and cost of loans issued to legal entities. individuals and citizens through commercial banks.
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 12 May 2020 14: 13 New
          0
          Again, in what way?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 12 May 2020 15: 24 New
    -1
    And the gold rate is set in US dollars fellow
    1. agond
      agond 18 May 2020 17: 23 New
      0
      The value of any thing with in monetary terms consists of two parts, the real value that was already spent on its creation and the virtual value that they plan to get from its use or sale, this virtual value is intangible and, in principle, cannot have a specific price, but nonetheless they are indicated in specific numbers, that is, the event has not yet arrived, and we already know the price for it. This gap in human consciousness, where, with the help of price, identifies the present with the future that has not come, allows the individual and the person and society as a whole to be manipulated.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 5 June 2020 15: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Prokuror-M
    To the point .. Or the same M. Gaddafi .... And de Gaulle demanded for the paper dollars (for a bulk carrier) a gold cover. And where was de Gaulle then?

    Right.
    Economic vassals will never do this.
    2017 year, Kristinka Logard in Moscow dominated Siluanov and Sakhibzadovna.
    https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2017/05/19/10682057.shtml
    2017 year:
    On Friday, the fund recommended that the government raise its retirement age. The IMF issued similar recommendations to Ukraine, which recently presented the concept of pension reform.
    She ordered to increase taxes and increase the retirement age.


    Officials took the visor.
    It'll be this way forever.
    If some official arrives tomorrow from the IMF, the State Department, the UN, and orders to screen the entire male population of the country, they will!
    They do not want to execute the order; they will punish as M. Gaddafi.
    It is believed that officials are obliged to regularly review the footage of the reprisal against Gaddafi, in order to remember their obligations to their owners.