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Soviet losses in aviation in the early days of the war

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What was the share of the defense industry of the USSR at the beginning of World War II. Historians, analyzing documents of that time, are inclined to believe that the volume of the “defense industry” exceeded one third of all industrial capacities of the country. One of the called values ​​is 39%.


German intelligence reported that Soviet industrial enterprises entered a cycle of work in which they were almost completely independent of external suppliers. As they would say now, a significant degree of import substitution.

The problem was that many of the units and formations of the USSR Armed Forces at the beginning of the war were faced with the surprise of a Hitlerite strike. Hundreds of aircraft located in the western regions of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941 were not able to take off from airfields based. Hitler’s aviation bombing of military airfields of the USSR turned the fleet into ashes, which, of course, gave the Germans an additional head start during their offensive.

According to the most rough estimates, in the west of the country in the early days of the war, about 1200 aircraft were lost, of which 800 were at airfields.

However, it is important to note that far from everywhere in the western directions a disaster occurred with aviation units. And the point here is not only the varying degree of activity of the Nazi troops. For example, near Odessa, the command decided to abandon the barracks and redeploy aircraft to alternate aerodromes. Why did some commanders have the wit to take such steps, but for others the enemy’s attack was a complete surprise.

During the Great Patriotic War, Soviet aviation is described in a special project of the Russian Ministry of Defense:
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  1. rruvim
    rruvim 10 May 2020 18: 25 New
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    The question is quite interesting. The archives say almost nothing about the first minutes (hours) of the bombing of our airfields. The losses of equipment were then too great to record anything. But part of the planes remained untouched, most. The enemy was almost safe. Part of the aircraft managed to transfer to Moscow, in fact, it played a significant role in November-December 41st.
    1. smaug78
      smaug78 10 May 2020 21: 00 New
      +2
      The archives say almost nothing about the first minutes (hours) of the bombing of our airfields
      These are only your archives ... Our archives say about 3-4 raid on airdromes per day, about destroyed runways ..
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 21: 03 New
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        Then there was no GDP.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 May 2020 21: 05 New
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          If you are about Runways, of course. And not about the foreman laughing
        2. smaug78
          smaug78 10 May 2020 21: 07 New
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          Already fixed, thanks.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 May 2020 21: 11 New
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            There were just fields, mowed grass, or something like that. Funnels were dug in an hour.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 10 May 2020 21: 16 New
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              It was easier in Russia. Around forests or fields (partisans made fires). In Greece, for example, they had to make electric lighting in order to plant something from the Anglo-Saxons. The mountains are all around ... Sometimes the Luftwaffe planes landed, but they were immediately in the "jail".
  2. rruvim
    rruvim 10 May 2020 18: 29 New
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    In some ways, Mark Solonin is right. Too close to the border of airfields and equipment were in June 41st. Just a few kilometers.
    1. ser56
      ser56 10 May 2020 18: 57 New
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      Quote: rruvim
      Too close to the border of airfields

      which indirectly speaks of the plans of the Red Army command - clearly not defensive ... request
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 19: 51 New
        -14
        And here, not everything is clear. The deployment of units and troops near the new border could be an idea not only as an attack on Germany, but, on the contrary, help (remember the paved new joint railway lines). The question was which party of the war would win in the Reich. Won the Anglo-Saxon lobby, and happened on June 22. Stalin did everything to prevent this from happening, but the Jewish lobby outweighed us. Faced foreheads! Two socialist states. Sorry for the Germans and our heroes.
        1. ser56
          ser56 10 May 2020 21: 03 New
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          Quote: rruvim
          Stalin did everything to prevent this from happening, but the Jewish lobby outweighed us.

          what nonsense ... request
          Quote: rruvim
          Two socialist states

          not exaggerating? totalitarian - yes! But there was no socialism in the Reich ... request
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 May 2020 21: 08 New
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            This can be debated before the end of the Century. We will remain with our opinion.
        2. really
          really 10 May 2020 21: 51 New
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          When you start using your brain, then the Jewish lobby will let you go
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 May 2020 22: 30 New
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            Oh really? They would ask Ezenshtein.
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 31 New
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        But that's understandable. It is foolish to deny it. Either we are theirs, or they are us! Who is first? But judging by the negotiations, we still tried "they were the first" to delay, but the decision had already been made by other people. And not by us (even by Stalin). We just didn't have time.
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 May 2020 05: 22 New
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        I have been reading such expressions for many years and I have been asking all the time, but what do you think defense plans are? do not read Suvorov. think for yourself.
      4. iouris
        iouris 11 May 2020 22: 36 New
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        Quote: ser56
        talks about the plans of the Red Army command - clearly not defensive ...

        Do not repeat the widely propagandized provisions of a single book written by an ardent anti-adviser that you may not even have read. Obviously, the USSR could not advance: in 1941, the Red Army was not ready for war, and the course of the war confirmed this. If Hitler was able to prove that the USSR committed aggression, then there was a great opportunity to help Hitler from the United States and Great Britain. Stalin did everything so that the United States and Great Britain became allies of the USSR in the war with Germany.
        It should also analyze the orders and actions of the Red Army command, which led to the destruction of aviation and air defense systems in the central direction of the German offensive. This is very similar to the betrayal or successful work of German saboteurs who managed to wedge themselves into communication networks. For example, the military air defense systems were on the same training ground, and the personnel of the air regiments, which had been in readiness near aircraft for a long time, were disbanded into apartments in the evening of June 21. The number of technical personnel by the order of the Ministry of Defense was reduced, and the pilots were charged with the obligation to participate in the pre-flight and for the re-departure training of their aircraft.
        1. ser56
          ser56 13 May 2020 15: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          In 1941, the Red Army was not ready for war, and the course of the war confirmed this.

          I understand that in the Icebreaker you read only the author’s biography ... request
          I’ll disappoint you - with competent entry into battle of the Red Army, the Germans were successfully beaten and in 41g - read how Mashtein ran hi

          Quote: iouris
          then there was a great opportunity for helping Hitler from the United States and Great Britain.

          Are you talking about 1941? have not read more stupidity for a long time bully

          Quote: iouris
          It looks a lot like betrayal

          And the airfields at the border of betrayal, and tank divisions, and .... some traitors in the Red Army and the USSR are to blame ... request this is a fairy tale, for lovers of Agitprop ... request
      5. Siberian54
        Siberian54 13 May 2020 07: 32 New
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        it's about what plans So for the smartest: in the Japanese-Soviet treaty of non-attack there was an article, in case of aggression of either side against thirds, the contract was canceled automatically .. Did you wise men need a war on two fronts? But there is no Stalin!
        1. ser56
          ser56 13 May 2020 15: 58 New
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          Quote: Siberian54
          You wise men needed a war on two fronts

          I, as a very smart person, I recommend you to understand the difference between the breakdown of the Non-Aggression Treaty and the war bully
          Japan did not attack the USSR even in October-November 1941, but do you want it to attack at the time of the possible offensive of the Red Army? bully
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 14 May 2020 07: 45 New
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            The Japs simply started a war with the United States and, in the absence of the "clever men", were in no hurry to open a "second front".
            1. ser56
              ser56 14 May 2020 14: 50 New
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              Quote: Siberian54
              Japas just started a war with the USA

              they just don’t start a war, for this we need serious reasons ... to school, young man ... hi
              1. Siberian54
                Siberian54 16 May 2020 18: 11 New
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                And why did Americans attack Pearl Harbor?
                1. ser56
                  ser56 16 May 2020 19: 24 New
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                  Quote: Siberian54
                  So what

                  you demonstrate illiteracy - proud of it?
                  Quote: Siberian54
                  did the Americans attack?

                  They introduced an oil embargo, i.e. essentially forced Japan request
          2. Siberian54
            Siberian54 16 May 2020 18: 14 New
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            And yes! in 1941, 1,500,000,000 Far Eastern army stood against the 2,000,000 Kwantung army
            1. ser56
              ser56 16 May 2020 19: 25 New
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              Quote: Siberian54
              stood 2,000,000 Far Eastern Army

              why not 5 million? bully roughly 20 divisions - 500 - 600 thousand
              1. Siberian54
                Siberian54 17 May 2020 15: 29 New
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                You do not forget how many NKVD troops stuck there .. And almost a million near Moscow 41 and Stalingrad 43. It’s true to say that at the same time they raked the whole Siberian village .. most of the villages did not recover after the war ..
                1. ser56
                  ser56 17 May 2020 16: 09 New
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                  Quote: Siberian54
                  You do not forget how many NKVD troops stuck there ..

                  Really 1,5 million, proceeding from your tsifir? bully
                  1. Siberian54
                    Siberian54 17 May 2020 16: 49 New
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                    I didn’t find specific numbers at all, but based on the paranoid nature of our command and the low throughput of the transSib, there is a similar statics
                    1. ser56
                      ser56 17 May 2020 21: 41 New
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                      Quote: Siberian54
                      There is a similar statics

                      let's say you're funny ... bully
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 10 May 2020 19: 27 New
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      The decision to relocate aviation from the borders of the General Staff was planned for July 6.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 19: 57 New
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        Who was the chief of the General Staff?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 10 May 2020 20: 04 New
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          Like beetles. And what?
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 15 New
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            Nothing except "The telegram of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR, in which the commanders of the military districts were warned of the time of a possible attack by Nazi Germany and an order was given to bring the troops to combat readiness and to disperse aviation to field airfields, was transferred to the border military districts only 4 hours before the enemy invaded. In connection with the construction and reconstruction of many airfields, the maneuver of air units and air formations of the border military districts was limited. The camouflage of airfields and their coverage by air defense means were insufficient. "
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 04 New
        +1
        There is a directive from the 19th
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 06 New
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          I'm talking about point 2.
    3. Pavel57
      Pavel57 10 May 2020 20: 27 New
      +1
      The removal of airfields to the border does not fit into common sense. Although such actions by the military leadership were enough. Let us recall, for example, the crowded barracks of the Brest Fortress, which was devoid of any meaning.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 37 New
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        Yes! But on the night of June 22, almost all units left the Fortress and began to roll back to the East with all the available equipment. Without entering into a clash. Isn't that strange?
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 46 New
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          For example, the 42nd and 6th rifle divisions in full force washed away.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 13 May 2020 11: 10 New
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          This is not strange. It is strange that they were not taken to "field camps", read, they did not take up defensive positions along the old border until 15.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX in accordance with the directive of the General Staff.
          And so, three divisions from the Brest ledge were defeated on the march. What Pavlov thought was not clear.
      2. ser56
        ser56 13 May 2020 16: 00 New
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        Quote: Pavel57
        The removal of airfields to the border does not fit into common sense

        From what? Only in theory that the USSR did not prepare a strike against the Nazis ... request
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 14 May 2020 07: 55 New
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          In the postwar period, the Pentagon has already made dozens of seven plans for an attack on the USSR / RF .. And nothing .. Is it surprising?
          1. ser56
            ser56 14 May 2020 14: 52 New
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            Quote: Siberian54
            . And nothing .. Amazing?

            no, the USSR was able to strike back request I note that you have childish arguments ... repeat
            1. Siberian54
              Siberian54 16 May 2020 18: 08 New
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              It was possible .. But there was no purpose, any aggression of the USSR opened a war with Japan in the east (a miss of our diplomacy at the conclusion of a peace treaty), which is why the Japanese provoked military incidents on the USSR border until the age of 43
              1. ser56
                ser56 16 May 2020 19: 28 New
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                Quote: Siberian54
                But there was no purpose

                Not at all - it was in May-June 40g that it was most reasonable to strike Germany ...
                Quote: Siberian54
                , any aggression of the USSR opened war with Japan to the east

                1) This is not aggression, but a liberation campaign!
                2) They did not attack in reality, so this is nonsense
                1. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 17 May 2020 15: 38 New
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                  The code of honor did not allow the emperor to violate his signature, he is a barbarian, not an enlightened white European Adik Shilkgruber ...
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 17 May 2020 16: 07 New
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                    Quote: Siberian54
                    The code of honor did not allow the emperor to violate

                    on the reef to fall and PA in the winter of 1904 allowed? bully
  3. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 10 May 2020 19: 02 New
    +8
    ORDER No. 0042
    from 19 June 1941
    Nothing significant has been done so far to disguise airfields and major military facilities.

    Airfield fields are not all seeded, take-off strips to the color of the terrain are not painted, and airfield structures, which stand out in bright colors, attract the attention of an observer for tens of kilometers. The crowded and linear arrangement of aircraft at aerodromes in the complete absence of masking and the poor organization of aerodrome services using unmasking signs and signals completely unmask the aerodrome.
    A modern aerodrome must fully merge with its surroundings, and nothing at the aerodrome should attract attention from the air.
    Artillery and motorized units exhibit similar nonchalance to camouflage: the crowded and linear arrangement of their parks represents not only excellent objects of observation, but also targets that are beneficial for air damage .....
    Nothing has been done to disguise warehouses and other important military installations.
    I order:
    1. By 1.7.41, sow all aerodromes with grass according to the color of the surrounding terrain, paint the runways and simulate the entire aerodrome environment in accordance with the surrounding background.
    Airdrome buildings up to and including roofs should be painted in the same style as the buildings surrounding the airdrome. To bury gas storages in the earth and to especially carefully disguise.
    Strongly forbid the linear and crowded layout of aircraft; dispersed and disguised location of the aircraft to ensure their complete unobservability from the air. To organize by 5.7.41, in each aviation-based area of ​​the 500 – km border strip, 8–10 false airfields, to equip each of them with 40–50 aircraft mock-ups.
    The districts included in the threatened area should carry out the same measures to mask warehouses, workshops, parks and by 15.7.41 ensure their complete unobservability from the air.
    7. To carry out a masking of airfields, warehouses, combat and transport vehicles to check from the air, the observation of responsible commanders of district headquarters and photography. All defects revealed by them immediately eliminate.
    8. Execution to inform 1.7 and 15.7.41 through the Chief of General Staff.
    People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Marshal of the Soviet Union S. Tymoshenko
    Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army General of the Army G. Zhukov
    F. 4, op. 11, d.62, l. 201–203. Script

    You just had to follow orders. I read a lot on this topic. Local commanders showed the utmost carelessness. Those who thought with their heads could save the planes in most cases. Then they fought.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 10 May 2020 19: 25 New
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      Right. disgusting diligence, and low discipline.
      1. knn54
        knn54 10 May 2020 20: 07 New
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        Many of our pilots were excellent aerobatics, well-aimed shooters. But they were inferior to the Germans in the ability to interact in battle, All the same, shooting on cones, flying at training grounds can not be compared with the experience that the Germans gained in battles in Poland, France, England.
        From October 1939 to June 22, 1941, more than 500 times German planes invaded our airspace, including 152 times in 1941.
        That is, the Germans owned information on the main and alternate aerodromes.
        The enemy suffered the heaviest losses during the invasion of the airspace of the Kiev PSB.
        As in the whole confusion, the inconsistency / competence of the leadership and the personal courage and heroism of Soviet pilots.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 20: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: knn54
          But they were inferior to the Germans in the ability to interact in battle,

          Technically, a huge problem was with communication.
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 51 New
          -1
          But they were inferior to the Germans in the ability to interact in battle
          Possible.
          not compare with the experience that the Germans received in battles in Poland, France, England.
          But we got experience: Spain, Manchuria, the Northern War ...
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 13 May 2020 11: 15 New
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            Quote: rruvim
            experience we got: Spain, Manchuria, the Northern War ..

            Yes, I remember reading a brochure summarizing the experience of air battles in Spain. But she was (at that time) under the GIF "secret" and ordinary pilots did not know anything about her.
            1. ser56
              ser56 13 May 2020 16: 01 New
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              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              and the row pilots did not know anything about her.

              such an army was created in the USSR - who is to blame? hi
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 10 May 2020 21: 20 New
          +2
          The article is called the loss of our Air Force. Where are at least some numbers?
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 13 May 2020 11: 16 New
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            A young student made a discovery for himself from some newspaper article and hastened to share.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 May 2020 11: 20 New
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              Exactly .... The level of VO articles is all that. Such articles should not be omitted if there are claims for analyticity.
      2. ser56
        ser56 13 May 2020 16: 02 New
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        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Right. disgusting diligence, and low discipline.

        why such a strange red army? in RIA there was a strict discipline ... request maybe the paints were nominated not for business qualities, but for the devotion of VKPb? repeat
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 14 May 2020 06: 48 New
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          Well, so tough that the generals took the fashion to spit on top management, and engage in uniform sabotage, but in the end also overthrew the supreme commander in chief. Pissing!
          1. ser56
            ser56 14 May 2020 14: 48 New
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            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Well, so tough that the generals took the fashion to spit on top management

            Yudenich spat, but defeated the Turks ... Brusilov, too .. request
        2. Siberian54
          Siberian54 14 May 2020 08: 02 New
          +1
          Therefore, the tsarist general Ruzsky, scored a bolt on the plans and orders of the bets and swept a turn to help his neighbor (there was an opportunity to create a boiler following the example of the Great Patriotic War) went straight took Lviv received a reward from the king ... And then I had to urgently leave from there .. I’m so simple about discipline in RI ..
          1. ser56
            ser56 14 May 2020 14: 49 New
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            Quote: Siberian54
            ..I am so simple about discipline in RI ..

            do not confuse warm and soft ... request
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 10 May 2020 19: 40 New
      -2
      ORDER No. 0042
      from 19 June 1941
      This order did not reach the time, especially:
      Strongly forbid the linear and crowded layout of aircraft;
      Now we are stepping on this rake again, in Syria, for example. Just no one is bombing.
  4. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 10 May 2020 19: 09 New
    +1
    near Odessa, the command decided to abandon the barracks and redeploy aircraft to alternate aerodromes. Why did some commanders have the wit to take such steps, but for others the enemy’s attack was a complete surprise.

    it was due to the good savvy commanders that we won in the end ...
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 10 May 2020 19: 30 New
      +5
      The factors of victory were many - the evacuation of industry, the will of the country's leadership, the experience gained by the military leadership at a high price. And the heroism of the soldiers of the Fatherland.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 20: 26 New
        -5
        I think the spirit of the Russian people, it was transmitted to the leadership and fraternal peoples.
  5. Avior
    Avior 10 May 2020 21: 00 New
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    I think that if someone is interested in a topic, it makes sense to read Solonin on this topic, even if he does not like it.
    Visibly expands the view on this topic.
    . in the early days of the war, about 1200 aircraft were lost, of which 800 were at airfields.

    The suddenness of the attack can be attributed only to losses during the first raid, that is, relatively small losses.
    Three hours after the start of the war, dispersing and disguising aircraft was not a big problem.
    Not the planes that were now.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 10 May 2020 21: 34 New
      +3
      By and large, the loss of 1200 aircraft on the first day did not solve anything. The fleet of aircraft that remained in the western districts by the second day exceeded by any means the forces of the Luftwaffe on the Eastern Front, another question is how the USSR Air Force disposed of its forces.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 May 2020 21: 49 New
        +1
        I didn’t decide. But the situation is even stranger.
        Read carefully - not on the first day, but on the first days
        There was no talk of any suddenness.
        You can talk about surprise only in the first hours of the war, but at that moment the losses were not very large
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 May 2020 22: 46 New
          -1
          Exactly. Parts began to retreat, leaving the planes. It is enough to look at the abandoned IAPs in Bialystok: 41, 124, 126, 129th. In the first days in other directions: 156, 7, 155, 21, 148 and a dozen more (it’s painful to list, but if it’s interesting, I’ll list it). This is in the early days !!!
        2. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 10 May 2020 23: 27 New
          +2
          By and large, if you include the afterlife, then there is nothing strange or incompetence at all levels, fear of initiative, gouging, lack of training in flight and technical personnel, lack of equipment ... and the result is obvious.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 May 2020 23: 50 New
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            Most likely fear! Like now with this fucking pandemic. We must attack on principle, but everyone is running. All party principles have been discarded, only personal skin is important, so you need to run. Therefore, they "threw" the squadrons, and the authorities threw the family into the Lawn with ficuses, and the NKVDSh-ki took out the pilots, they will come in handy. Until Stalin issued the famous decree.
            1. Avior
              Avior 11 May 2020 02: 27 New
              +1
              It’s much more convenient for a pilot to run on an airplane, but the planes remained
          2. ser56
            ser56 13 May 2020 16: 04 New
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            Quote: Sergey Valov
            incompetence at all levels, fear of initiative, gouging, lack of training of flight and technical personnel, lack of equipment ... and the result is obvious.

            They built the Red Army for 20 years and the curious result was ... repeat
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 14 May 2020 06: 32 New
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              And who built? Mostly dilettantes.
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 13 May 2020 11: 26 New
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      Quote: Avior
      Three hours after the start of the war, dispersing and disguising aircraft was not a big problem.

      The problem was to relocate the airfield maintenance battalions. Moreover, they specialized, usually, for one type of aircraft and were not capable of serving other types, including for technical reasons - all connections to the aircraft were of different types, each design bureau invented its own ..
      The Germans had a different system - the air base had permanent airfield maintenance personnel and serviced all types of aircraft. This is the reason that the Germans at the front used aircraft massively, relocating them to the directions of the main strikes, but we, alas, did not.
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 May 2020 12: 31 New
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        even if you simply disperse and disguise yourself at the same airfield - and then the loss on the ground will decrease dramatically.
        And this seems to have been neglected
        Here is a photo from the airport captured by the Germans, as they say, in the area of ​​Riga.

        https://waralbum.ru/287484/
  6. 123456789
    123456789 10 May 2020 22: 32 New
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    According to the most rough estimates, in the west of the country in the early days of the war, about 1200 aircraft were lost, of which 800 were at airfields.

    41st year will not happen again
  7. rruvim
    rruvim 10 May 2020 23: 01 New
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    My friend's grandfather (he was a pilot at the beginning of the war on a donkey) told his grandson how in the morning unknown people threw them (by order) to "half-tones", although the planes were left behind. Then, in all sorts of stages, they were evacuated to Saratov, where they retrained on Lashki. In the first battle (not departure) shot down. But in the wound he met Victory. Pilots in June-July were rescued first, leaving the materiel.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 10 May 2020 23: 23 New
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      There were a lot of strange things. Nominations to the western districts of new modern aircraft that were not mastered by pilots.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 May 2020 23: 33 New
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        But this is understandable and incomprehensible at the same time, because it is part of the participation of German engineers. They knew everything in our cars.
        The USSR received from Germany hundreds of types of the latest models of military equipment and industrial products. 35 aircraft samples, propellers and piston rings for aircraft engines, taximeters, altimeters, speed recorders, oxygen supply systems at high altitudes, dual aerial cameras, instruments for determining the loads on aircraft control, direction finders, aircraft radios with intercom, blind landing devices were obtained and other devices for aircraft, aircraft batteries, stands for testing engines, riveting machines, bomber trailers, high-explosive, high-explosive fragmentation and skolochnyh bombs, 50 types of test equipment and many other products for the aviation industry. Two sets of heavy field howitzers of 211 mm caliber were obtained, a battery of 105 mm anti-aircraft guns with ammunition, the latest anti-tank guns, fire control devices, rangefinders, searchlights, 20 presses for squeezing shells. A sample of the T-III medium tank, half-track tractors, diesel engines, etc. were delivered. German companies also manufactured equipment for laboratories, radio communications samples for the ground forces, chemical protection suits, including fire-resistant ones, gas masks, filter absorbers, a degassing agent, a degassing machine, an oxygen regenerative gas shelter, portable devices for determining toxic substances, and fireproof , anti-corrosion and special ship paints, samples of synthetic rubber, etc. All military equipment was received for an economic agreement for 81,57 ml German marks, including 57,5 million for the Navy Department - warships and their weapons and equipment. A significant amount of equipment was purchased for the oil refining industry, nickel, lead, smelter, chemical, cement, steel wire plants. Mining equipment was received, including drilling rigs and 87 excavators. Germany also supplied three cargo and passenger vessels (Memel, Palatsiya, Peri), a tanker, iron, 15 thousand tons of high-grade and tool steel, 58 thousand tons of steel pipes, shipbuilding sheet, steel tape, wire rope, steel cable, duralumin, a significant amount of coal (for 52 million German marks) and other materials and goods. German deliveries under an economic agreement were received in the total amount of 287 million German marks. Samples of the latest German weapons, purchased in 1940-1941, made it possible to assess their capabilities and a number of technical solutions used in them were used by Soviet engineers in domestic military equipment ...
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 May 2020 23: 36 New
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          And I’m not talking about submarines. We just didn’t have to fight each other !!! But this is not our decision, and the Fritz deserve their own.
          1. Sergey Valov
            Sergey Valov 10 May 2020 23: 45 New
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            “We just should not have fought with each other !!!” - the USSR had only two options - to be either an ally or an adversary of Germany, it would not have been possible to sit out for any reason. Something I do not like the alliance with Hitler. It smells, however.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 10 May 2020 23: 56 New
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              History has no subjunctive mood. But there are still alternatives. Even they write novels.
            2. rruvim
              rruvim 11 May 2020 00: 06 New
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              After all, there are the words of the Fuehrer "God knows, I did not want this war!" And there is Stalin's ultimatum to the Fuehrer about Constantinople. Well, we didn't agree ... Damn! Why start a war?
              1. ser56
                ser56 13 May 2020 16: 05 New
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                Quote: rruvim
                Well, why start a war?

                strained the formation of 29 MK for 1000 tanks ... repeat
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 14 May 2020 06: 51 New
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                  Zhukov vs Tymoshenko's miraculous decisions were also enough.
  8. rruvim
    rruvim 11 May 2020 00: 29 New
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    Incidentally, I flew all sorts of Arado and Me in WoP and Thunder. I-16 turned out to be better, I was always hit by these midges. It is clear that this is not a real war, I did not die, but German planes in the simulators are inferior to all the others.
  9. rruvim
    rruvim 11 May 2020 01: 27 New
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    And you also need to understand that all our field airfields (in the west) in the 41st were known to the enemy, not only that we let the Germans as ours. And that the local population (Bialystok ledge) calmly crossed the border, then there were no electronic passports of this false pandemic, and it gave out information about equipment and airfields just like we are now reporting information about our movement consciously to our gadget. The Germans knew everything about us, and we all about the Germans. Question: who is the first? No need to tell that our intelligence knew nothing and did not warn. The informers went for months to each other on both sides of the border.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 13 May 2020 11: 36 New
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      Quote: rruvim
      The Germans knew everything about us, and we all about the Germans.

      Did we all know about the Germans if, by 1938, not one of our scouts remained in Poland? (Thanks to comrade Yezhov, count on his grave ...) And this is in the country - a likely adversary.
  10. rruvim
    rruvim 11 May 2020 01: 44 New
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    I tried to get reports in the archives of the Ministry of Intelligence of two divisions (residues) that left the Bialystok ledge for June 12–20. I can’t tell you the division numbers in another computer. But there are reports and they are classified. There is a formal reply that these materials cannot be provided to me, due to the lack of a form permit ... This was three years ago. My friend also tried to get them, but to no avail. And there should be reports not only of intelligence, but also of the fate of 126 squadron. Prohibited!
    1. ser56
      ser56 13 May 2020 16: 07 New
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      Quote: rruvim
      Forbidden!

      75 years have passed since graduation - what is hidden? request
  11. sen
    sen 11 May 2020 04: 15 New
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    There is a film "Who Blind the Beginning of the War?"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Mr76lN8zU
    So there historians and eyewitnesses tell about the beginning of the war. Example:
    Counterintelligence reported to Stalin that our combat aircraft at the border airfields are "in line" in the middle of the airfield without camouflage paint and without camouflage at all. An order is issued immediately: to disperse and camouflage the planes. After a while, Beria reports to Stalin: the order has not been fulfilled. A second similar order is issued. The result is the same. An eyewitness who retreated through one of these airfields says that he saw hundreds of charred carcasses of our aircraft, standing "in a line" in the middle of the airfield.
    1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      Andrey Krasnoyarsky 11 May 2020 06: 14 New
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      Beria reports to Stalin: the order has not been executed. A second similar order is issued. The result is the same.
      Your and many other materials refute the widespread myth "there was order under Stalin." If even in the army discipline, responsibility and diligence were far from always at their best, if even the personal orders of Stalin himself were not always executed, what can we say about the civilian sphere. During the war, all this backfired. Hence the harsh measures taken by the authorities during the war period (which still cause enormous feelings of the liberal public), which were forced, since irresponsibility, sloppiness and carelessness, harmful in peacetime, in wartime, became mortally dangerous for the army and the country.
      1. sen
        sen 12 May 2020 03: 07 New
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        Your and many other materials refute the widespread myth "there was order under Stalin"

        Well yes. Here is another episode from this movie.
        Rust had a predecessor. Hitler, in order to check our air defense, organized the passage of a German aircraft, without warning, through the entire European part of the USSR to Moscow. The aircraft was timely detected by air defense, but due to a damaged telephone cable (it was damaged by ours from the air defense the day before) there was no report to Moscow and accordingly no measures were taken. Three days debated who should repair the cable: airfield or air defense services, although the cable repair time is about 5 minutes.
  12. 2112vda
    2112vda 11 May 2020 08: 33 New
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    Quote: Avior
    It is much more convenient for a pilot to run on an airplane

    Of course it is more convenient if the plane is serviceable and refueled. There is evidence in the literature that the main reserves of jet fuel and anti-aircraft batteries were in the Caucasus to cover oil fields. We were waiting for the British attack on the south of the USSR. If Hitler had not attacked in June, in July England would have hit the Caucasus. That was the situation. Well, now we are all very smart.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 11 May 2020 18: 31 New
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      “If Hitler hadn’t attacked in June, England would have hit the Caucasus in July.“ - The British had something to bomb Baku in 1941? And most importantly - why ??? Get a new enemy?
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 13 May 2020 11: 55 New
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        Companion of the year beguiled.
        The British planned to start a war against the USSR with the bombing of Baku, Batumi, etc. in 1940.
        This topic is documented and described in detail (google "plans to bomb Baku")
        And if Hitler had not attacked France-Belgium-Netherlands, it is possible that at first a united Europe would crush the USSR (there were very few chances to resist the armies of France and Great Britain, and then Hitler strangled would be his hapless helpers.
  13. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 11 May 2020 09: 28 New
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    When retreating on earth, always and in all countries of the world, a large number of equipment of all kinds cannot be evacuated and it is lost. This is not related to the proximity of airfields to borders. If the plane is healthy, it will take off and leave the aerodrome 10 kilometers from the border, and if the faults do not fly 100 km from the border.
    The aerodrome should always be located as close to the front line as possible. The closer the better it helps its troops.
    1. ser56
      ser56 13 May 2020 16: 10 New
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      Quote: Kostadinov
      If the plane is correct, it will take off and leave the airport by 10

      what nonsense ... bully at the airport, stocks of fuels and lubricants, ammunition, spare parts for equipment, mechanics, etc. - without this, planes cannot fight ... request
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 May 2020 09: 12 New
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    We must not forget about the fate of the MiG-3 and MiG-1 in the western military districts. Before the war itself, there were 845 MiG-3 and 77 MiG-1. The planes were difficult to fly and pilots were simply afraid to fly them. And the commanders of the air units were in no hurry to master them due to the very high accident rate and due to the fact that for each loss of an aircraft they had to report to the NKVD with very sad consequences. As a result, on June 22, there was no one to fly on them, and they all became targets for German bombs. These are the very machines that Rychagov compared to "flying coffins" and for which he suffered. The responsibility largely rests with Yakovlev, who at the time was Stalin's chief aviation adviser. And Shakhurin had to reckon with this.
  15. nnz226
    nnz226 28 June 2020 15: 18 New
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    How many combat aircraft were there in the USSR on June 21, 1941 ??? A couple of tens of thousands! I understand that not everyone was in the Belarusian Special District, but shouting that aviation was over (and it was over, if you look at what the Luftwaffe did later!) Due to the loss of 1200 aircraft on the first day somehow nekomilfo! It cannot be said that these 1200 are all the newest, on the German chronicle of broken airfields one can see "every creature in pairs" from I-15/153 to MiG-3. What? It was impossible to replace another 2000 aircraft from the "interior districts" in order to compensate for the losses and prevent the outrage of the Germans in the air and the shooting of refugees, marching reinforcements, etc. from the air? The German had 3500-4000 aircraft. Even rams could nullify the Luftwaffe!