What happens in the port of Ochakov?

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What happens in the port of Ochakov?Recently, the editors of the Odessa television channel "ATV" (Dangerous construction) turned the veterans of the Ukrainian army, who live in Ochakovo. According to them, something rather strange is happening in the city port: soldiers from the United States of America have been in its territory for more than a week now. Moreover, the American contingent is engaged in nothing more than the construction of its base directly on an important strategic facility.

Ukrainian veterans were worried about the fact that the Americans were carrying out construction work. According to them, daily in the morning, people in camouflage uniforms of the American armed forces bring two minibuses.

So, according to Dmitry Chalenko, one of the veterans of the Ukrainian army, construction is underway in the territory of a military port by US engineering troops. But the process itself is not so dangerous. The main thing is that they are building. And this, says Chalenko, is nothing but a dock for their boats, but not simple ones, but those who are engaged in the transportation of "sea lions". And if we talk about how dangerous this could be for Ukraine, then it should be noted that in the immediate vicinity of Ochakov there are the ports of Kherson and Nikolaev, as well as Odessa, Yuzhny, Ilyichevsk, Crimea ...

According to the chairman of the All-Ukrainian Union of Soviet Officers, in the city of Ochakov Valery Bykov, all the necessary equipment and building materials have already been delivered, and very serious equipment has been delivered. Currently, American scuba divers are engaged in underwater exploration.

In addition, a video (see below) is posted on the well-known resource for storing video files Youtube, which proves that construction in the port of Ochakov is in fact being carried out, and that it is the US military that is doing this.

Based on this data, a large number of Internet resources ("International Russia", "Russian world. Ukraine" and others) posted an information request to the President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych, authored by the PSPU leader Natalia Vitrenko.

In his letter, Vitrenko demands from V. Yanukovych an explanation of what is happening, and who gave the right to conduct such actions, because in the event of the elimination of such an object during a pathetic military confrontation, the inhabitants of our state can suffer directly.

It is clear that the situation has caused a lot of hype among the media. They asked for clarification on this issue to the acting mayor of the city Ochakov Sergei Bychkov. He tried to give peace to the journalists, stressing that all construction work was carried out on the eve of the international drills C-Breeze - 2012, and that after their completion all the objects built (namely, a special slip for the landing craft, with the help of which it would be possible to dive into the water) will become the property of our country. He also noted that such a structure had long been necessary for a local military unit, but there were not enough funds for its construction.

As Andrei Ryzhenko, deputy chief of staff of the naval forces of Ukraine, notes, those hydraulic structures that are being built by American and Ukrainian specialists in the port of Ochakovo will help increase the level of resistance to terrorism and piracy at sea. A division of the Ukrainian naval forces is located in the city, the main task of which is to fight against pirates. He also noted that the American armed forces had helped the Ukrainian military to acquire speedboats for the assigned tasks. Now, in order to successfully use them, it is necessary to retrofit the berth. Its cost is of the order of several million hryvnia, which is not in Ukraine. Therefore, at the level of the highest military-political leadership, it was decided to implement a project involving the Americans.

A. Ryzhenko also stressed that the entire package of construction documents was approved by the State Expert Control Service. And all the necessary building materials purchased in Ukraine. According to his deep conviction, the residents of Ochakov should only be glad that the infrastructure will be developed on the territory of their military unit, moreover, not at the expense of the state budget.

Veterans of the armed forces agree - a slip is, of course, very good, if not for one, but very weighty "but": if we take into account that American engineering units are engaged in construction work, they are in a state of constant combat readiness, then according to the laws military construction, they will be forced to lay funds for the possible liquidation of the object. But there are fuel depots, mine-torpedo base very close by. You can imagine what could all end if the Americans decide to liquidate their object ...

In this situation, there is no need to talk about any security, and if there is a real threat to life, then the image of the state no longer plays a role, because it is simply leveled in the eyes of the world community. So there are some reasons for joy ...


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  1. +20
    31 July 2012 08: 20
    Build, but rather dig ....
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +13
      31 July 2012 10: 15
      Quote: Vadivak

      Build, but rather dig ....


      Vadim, greetings, +! What wonder then? "Bad" example. as they say "infectious"! recourse

      We are in Ulyanovsk ... brothers Ukrainians in Ochakiv ..... well, but the conclusions ... they beg themselves ..... crying , and also in the southeast there will be "surprises" !!!

      But in the morning I read the news .... all day spoiled the mood .... angry

      July 30, Alexei Usov - Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Vice Admiral Viktor Chirkov announced that the Russian fleet would not defend its base in Syrian Tartus in the event of an attack on it by local militants or foreign states.
      In this case, personnel and equipment will be evacuated. Chirkov at the same time referred to the decision of the country's leadership, reports Voice of America.
      On the same days, it became known that the Vietnamese authorities refused to return the former base of the USSR to the Russian Federation, and the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov promised "not to restore the Russian military presence" in Cuba.

      “It’s not me who gives the commands, there is the Minister of Defense. The fact that we will be forced to evacuate the personnel that is there - of course, we will take it away from there, ”the Voice of America quotes Vice Admiral Chirkov (quoted from InoСMI.ru).

      The Logistics Support Point (PMTO) in Tartus is Russia's last naval base outside the territory of the former USSR.
      At the end of last week, rumors appeared in the press about the possible restoration of Soviet naval bases in the Caribbean and the Pacific Ocean, but the Defense Ministry and the Russian Foreign Ministry denied this information.

      Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Moscow does not intend to restore its military presence in Cuba.
      According to the diplomat, to ensure the foreign policy interests of our country, temporary temporary standing of the ships of the Russian Federation in foreign ports is sufficient.
      “We are not talking about any bases. Vessels of the Russian Navy operate, hike and train in those parts.
      Go to the port, replenish supplies, provide the crew with rest - this is an absolutely natural need.
      We spoke with our Cuban friends about such opportunities, ”RBC quotes Lavrov.

      In Cuba, the Russian military base in Lourdes existed until 2001. The decision to close it was made by President Vladimir Putin.

      If the Russian leadership refused Cuba on its own, then in Vietnam the Ministry of Defense explicitly refused to return the Camran base. Kamran military base was considered Soviet for more than half a century.
      In 2001, the fate of the Cuban base befell her - the lease term expired, and Moscow refused it.

      The President of Vietnam, who was on a visit to Russia at the end of July, announced that he was not going to return the military port of Kamran to the Russian Federation, nor to transfer it to any other power: “We will provide Russia with advantages in Kamrani, including with a view to developing military cooperation .
      After your country liquidated its military presence there, Vietnam took Kamran completely under its control. One part is used for military-technical purposes, the other - for the economic development of the republic.
      In no case do we intend to cooperate with any of the countries for the military use of the port of Cam Ranh, ”quoted a replica of the President of Vietnam, Novye Izvestia.

      The wording “advantages for the development of military cooperation” is not identical to the words “creating a military base” - that is, Russia did not receive an unequivocal refusal, but only a guarantee that the port would not be occupied by China, the United States or another country.
      However, this leaves the possibility of creating a logistics point in Kamrani for the Russian Navy.
      On one condition - if the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation will ever be a combat-ready force, having the need and the possibility of basing outside the country.



      The Russian Navy supply base in the Syrian port of Tartus is LAST, the base remaining at the Russian Federation outside the former USSR

      And here, on the site, we are "breaking spears" and we are going to defend something there and to show and prove something to someone ... crying
      1. tut ya
        +17
        31 July 2012 10: 27
        NIIAR (Scientific Research Institute of Atomic Reactors) is located 100 km from Ulyanovsk. Now it is planned to build new power units (not to mention the waste cemetery). So at the last exercises, the special forces destroyed the headquarters of the BB battalion guarding this institute. and then the question is about the American base ?!
        1. TAGIR
          +6
          31 July 2012 11: 10
          Of the 12 reactors, 8 are military
        2. Sober
          0
          31 July 2012 22: 49
          tut ya,
          see whose special forces and 100km is not enough, even for specialists and just destroying research institutes is also problematic))) and you know, for specialists, real and prepared, this is a really feasible task and it’s not a matter of a base or a transshipment point! it’s a matter of professionalism, they will want to and they will capture the White House, if necessary ... so that there is no need to dramatize! Specialists are needed to solve such problems!
      2. Vito
        +6
        31 July 2012 10: 55
        vaf (1)Good afternoon FRIENDLY!
        Quote: vaf
        In no case do we intend to cooperate with any of the countries for the military use of the port of Cam Ranh, ”quoted a replica of the President of Vietnam, Novye Izvestia.

        This phrase worries me.
        My instinct tells me that sooner or later, if we are not there, then our long-standing potential "partners" will appear - root them into the soul!
        These gentlemen know how to achieve their goal!
        1. Sober
          0
          31 July 2012 22: 53
          Vito,
          This phrase worries me.
          My instinct tells me that sooner or later, if we are not there, then our long-standing potential "partners" will appear - root them into the soul!
          These gentlemen know how to achieve their goal!


          Well, you directly took and sold the Homeland with such statements - this is sarcasm. well, you tell God, what do you say, our intelligence doesn’t work, even if you aren’t a scout (probably) thinking about it))) everything is seized there, if they don’t give us, then they will be hit by wheels, even if they are allowed to deliver, they will drive out the cruiser opposite and zero from the base, and so on)))

          ps
          look at the root!
      3. TAGIR
        +1
        31 July 2012 11: 12
        VAF,
        If ordered (add)
      4. Sergh
        +21
        31 July 2012 11: 50
        Hello namesake!
        Quote: vaf
        ... leads the “Voice of America” a replica of Vice Admiral Chirkov (quoted from InoСMI.ru).

        Seryoga, you killed me completely! But this is by far the most deceitful resource in the world.
        By the way, little is known about Ulyanovsk, especially, who will build it, at whose expense ?!
        But in Ochakovo, obviously, sonars to the noise have already been installed, a lot of mind is not needed.

        But what, this is a new joke, amers for nothing, i.e. completely free, we came at our own expense to help build the pier and school, oh, I’ll die with a laugh !!! Let the fence come to my country to fix it!
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +7
          31 July 2012 12: 15
          Quote: Sergh
          But this is by far the most deceitful resource in the world.


          Namesake, hello, +! I agree, but what to do, here you draw any information, here and there. to at least somehow analyze the situation and the actions of our leadership .... recourse

          They, our leaders, themselves each day give out new information, or simply, someone from the highest ranks will say something. and then the truth, oh, yes, he did not have any authority on this matter ???

          Do you remember Nikita. so then right away ... Kuzkina’s mother and ... no nails !!! angry

          But this "politeness" around amers I personally do not like nifiga ... stop

          Photo of the Russian Ka-27PS helicopter (tail number 77 red) from the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Panteleev of the Pacific Fleet, which landed on the deck of the American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier CVN 68 Nimitz during the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2012 multinational exercise in the Hawaiian region islands.
          The picture was taken on July 27, 2012. The RIMPAC 2012 exercises, which run from June 27 to August 3, are attended by more than 40 ships from 22 countries.

          1. Sergh
            +2
            31 July 2012 12: 57
            Seryoga, so if Vice-Admiral Gerald Beeman, the commander of the US 3rd Fleet, will lead the exercise, then they all banquet and banquet on his yacht "Nimitz", before the start of the world pakazuhi, but here's the details:

            22 countries, 42 surface ships, 6 submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25000 people will take part in the largest exercise RIMPAC (Rim of the Pacific), the official website of the US Navy said.

            The biennial exercise will take place from June 29 to August 3 in the Hawaiian Islands and will be the 23rd starting in 1971.

            The Navy of Australia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, France, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, South Korea, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Tonga, Great Britain, will take part in the RIMPAC-2012 exercise. USA, Russian Navy.

            The lead will be led by the commander of the 3rd US fleet, Vice Admiral Herald Biman. For the first time in 2012, representatives of other countries will command individual target groups. The representative of the Australian Navy, Commodore Stuart Mayer, will lead the group of surface ships, and Canadian Brigadier General Michael Hood - the aviation component.
            1. +6
              31 July 2012 16: 54
              They ran the neighbors of rats in their barn! They were told to them that they would protect the grain ... No matter how these rats spread all over the Crimea and Sevastopol ...
              1. +5
                1 August 2012 01: 10
                Its cost is about several million hryvnia, which is not in Ukraine. Therefore, at the level of the top military-political leadership, a decision was made to implement a project with the participation of the Americans. - to be crazy, several million hryvnias are missing, maybe it's time to tell the oligarchs: “We need to share !!! help with YOUR WATER, FOOD AND SHOVELS !!!!!! But celebrate birthdays and hold summits, of course in Yalta!
          2. +4
            31 July 2012 19: 30
            Quote: Sergh
            Seryoga, you killed me completely! But this is by far the most deceitful resource in the world.

            Quote: vaf
            I agree, but what to do, here you draw any information, here and there

            Sergey (vaf), you are cunning, a colleague ... It's just more interesting for you to poke around in these sources since without much effort, you can dig the most dirty and fraudulent porn on, so often accused by you of all (and necessarily - unforgivable and irreparable!) sins, Putin. You can understand your dislike - you are not alone, but you don’t need to give out collections of incriminating evidence from unreliable sources for analysis.
            Quote: vaf
            to at least somehow analyze the situation and the actions of our leadership ....

            It is more correct to call these words "sorry" for an absolutely correct remark Sergh,
            I am personally sorry that in your comments you constantly see through the "all-polymer" thought.
            To your accusatory comment I would like to add a little of the same one that you used. In addition to the statement of facts, it also contained explanations of the reasons for the abandonment of the bases. These reasons have already been spoken about many times, but you prefer not to notice it, but with unfading enthusiasm you push the same thought - "Putin has ruined! Putin is sagging! Putin has betrayed!" You are an adult, a warrior, one of those whom the young should be equal to, and you play in a grandfather broken by gout by the stove ...
            What kind of upbringing of patriotism can we talk about, claiming that our leadership is completely swindlers who have sold themselves to the "damned west! Chesslovo, your enthusiasm in this matter is surprising!"
            Of course, I didn’t say very pleasant words to you, colleague, but alas, your commentary moved.
            Well, for completeness, such words from the article you mentioned

            --------- Recall that the Kamran base at one of the best deep-sea ports in the world was transferred by Vietnam to the USSR for free use for a period of 25 years in the 1979 year. Moreover, such a decision satisfied the pragmatic interests of both parties. After the war with China, Vietnam saw the Soviet presence as a guarantee against a repetition of aggression, and the USSR as a bridgehead for US confrontation in the region.

            Quite quickly, the base was modernized by our efforts and filled with military equipment, turning into a very serious outpost of the USSR. During its reconstruction in the beginning of the 80, the number of Soviet personnel with families exceeded 10 thousand people here.

            However, in the 90 years, the withdrawal of Soviet technology from Kamrani began. As a result, the base personnel amounted to only 100 people who, for natural reasons, were not able to maintain the territory in 100 sq. Km. The technical condition of the base fell into disrepair, which turned out to be a logical result - in 1995, when landing in Kamrani, the 3 of the Su-27 aircraft from the Russian Knights squadron crashed.

            Looking at this attitude, the Vietnamese began to feel quiet discontent. It was probably not easy to watch one of the country's best military facilities die. Therefore, Vietnam demanded that Russia pay rent in 500 million dollars a year, and even threatened to transfer the base of the PRC or the United States otherwise. In response, we proposed to write off the rent from the amount of the state debt of Vietnam to the USSR, which amounted to more than 10 billion dollars, but the Vietnamese did not agree to such conditions. That you agree, in turn, is also not entirely comradely.

            As a result, when V. Putin came to power, he visited Vietnam among his first trips. Now it’s not uncommon to hear the opinion that “Putin surrendered Vietnam.” However, one must understand that the decision to leave Kamrani at that time was the only right one. Firstly, every penny counted for the country, and the Vietnamese demanded not only rents, but also investments in modernizing a huge base. Secondly, there was simply nothing to fill the base with. There was no trace of the former power of the Soviet Navy, and the technology was barely enough to ensure the safety of its own territorial waters. Third, Putin, from the very beginning of his leadership, headed for rapprochement with China, and teasing a neighbor in those conditions was far from the best solution. In other words, the situation was so awful that Russia was forced to concentrate on restoring its own naval facilities, forgetting about its former ambitions for a while.

            As a result, in the 2001 year, Russia announced its intention not to renew the lease agreement with Vietnam, and already the next year left the Kamran base.
            1. dreamer
              +1
              1 August 2012 22: 05
              Quote: esaul
              Sergey (vaf), you are cunning, a colleague ... It's just more interesting for you to poke around in these sources since without much effort, you can dig the most dirty and fraudulent porn on, so often accused by you of all (and necessarily - unforgivable and irreparable!) sins, Putin. You can understand your dislike - you are not alone, but you don’t need to give out collections of incriminating evidence from unreliable sources for analysis.

              Quote: esaul
              I am personally sorry that in your comments there is always a "protrale in all-polymer" thought. To your accusatory comment I would like to add a little of the same one that you used. In it, in addition to stating the facts, there were also explanations of the reasons for leaving the bases. These reasons have already been spoken about many times, but you prefer not to notice it, but with unfading enthusiasm you push the same thought - "Putin has ruined! Putin is sagging! Putin has betrayed!" You are an adult, a warrior, one of those whom the young should be equal to, and you play in a grandfather broken by gout at the stove ... What kind of upbringing of patriotism can we talk about, claiming that our leadership is entirely swindlers who have sold themselves to the "damned west! Chesslovo, surprises your enthusiasm in this matter! Of course, I said not very pleasant words to you, colleague, but, alas, your comment prompted me.

              After these words, for me a member of the forum who took the nickname Esaul does not exist, let it minus for me it is someone who dozed off under an alder, according to A. Rosenbaum, or who threw a horse at Gazmanov, a person insulting others because they had the audacity to criticize him " ICON "(VVPutina) does not exist for me. wink
              So "with a horse under the saddle of a stranger" (the vow begins to take effect) I would like to remind the common truth:
              "DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF AN IDOL"[/b]
              1. Oleg0705
                0
                2 August 2012 00: 58
                dreamer,
                --- mine
        2. sgv
          +4
          31 July 2012 14: 28
          And they will come and correct! It all depends on the location of the cottage. For example, a fence goes to the backyard of the Plesetsk cosmodrome or to the end of the runway in Engels, in which case the fence will be repaired using the latest technology and equipped with an advanced communication system with the fence repair headquarters! So submit applications directly to the State Department, or to NGOs representing the interests of the headquarters for the repair of fences !!!! bully
      5. +6
        31 July 2012 12: 22
        The author of the article is painfully familiar to me.
        The article does not have a single date. The video says what they are building - or they built for the Sea Breeze exercises and after that they will remain to Ukraine - so it’s interesting NOW when the exercises ended, are there Americans there or not?
        1. mga04
          +16
          31 July 2012 12: 29
          Tomorrow I will be in Ochakovo, I’ll look at the driveway. If anyone else will be interested - I will report.
          1. Ilyich
            +3
            31 July 2012 16: 31
            mga04, yes, definitely interesting!
          2. Borizzz
            +2
            31 July 2012 19: 24
            Sure! A photo or video is desirable
            1. mga04
              +4
              1 August 2012 16: 22
              Landing boat project 1176 "Svatovo" and a monument to the Diver
          3. +1
            31 July 2012 20: 03
            Quote: mga04
            If anyone else will be interested - I will report.

            But yak !!!
            1. Sergh
              +4
              31 July 2012 21: 19
              Quote: BorizZz
              A photo or video is desirable

              Stop-stop, and for me, take a couple of amers, I’ll come and take to Siberia for correctional labor, otherwise the Tajiks are tired.
              1. mga04
                +2
                31 July 2012 22: 59
                Let's look at the situation.
              2. 0
                1 August 2012 15: 05
                Better invite them to your place. Declare that you are conducting exercises, they will build the infrastructure, then finish and expel the exercises, and the entire infrastructure will remain. Here you can use it later in your interests. wassat
          4. mga04
            +3
            1 August 2012 16: 11
            Decent resolution shots
          5. mga04
            +4
            1 August 2012 16: 29
            View from about the point where the video was shot in the article.
        2. mga04
          0
          31 July 2012 15: 12
          http://img.nr2.ru/pict/arts1/r70/dop1/12/07/175.JPG
          No comments
        3. mga04
          +6
          1 August 2012 16: 24
          I am reporting. This is actually what is being built. A small slip or ramp (whichever you prefer), designed for independent going ashore and going into the water of light air-cushion boats, as well as for the prompt launching of light (semi-rigid) high-speed boats. No other work (at least by the Americans) is being conducted on the port territory. There are no more than ten people working and these are reservists, called up specifically to participate in the "Sea Breeze 2012" and the work remains for two or three days. The work was supposed to be over, but was delayed due to the fact that the originally installed caisson was torn off and seriously damaged by the storm. It had to be glued and reinstalled.
          According to the locals, this work is the first stage of preparing the infrastructure to ensure the basing and use of new, still only purchased, equipment.
          Why are Americans ?. The fact is that if our engineer-sapper units dig trenches for the hundredth time in the same place during the exercises, then the Americans prefer to perform practical tasks. At the stage of preparation for the exercises, two such tasks were identified: raising a floating berth that sunk seven years ago in the Odessa port and building a slipway in the port of Ochakovsky. All work has been and is being carried out jointly - from Americans, specialists and technicians, from Ukrainians, specialists and consumables (construction) materials and fuel. I think you and I should learn how to use such engineering and sapper units.
          How much this construction resembles the base of American special forces, as some have stated here, let everyone decide for himself, I'm not going to convince anyone. Ungrateful business, someone to convince of something.
          As for the mass protests of particularly conscious citizens - well, I have not found such! According to the duty officer at the checkpoint, about twenty people arrived by bus once, plus a film crew. For half an hour they waved flags at the checkpoint, then after another half an hour they shouted from the hill above the construction site and dumped them. In short - they worked on the camera and that was it.





          Does anyone know how to add several pictures in one post
          1. mga04
            +1
            1 August 2012 16: 31
            We are waiting for concrete in the shade.
        4. Kibb
          +1
          1 August 2012 21: 55
          Andrey, he came from vacation and immediately ran into some very unpleasant news (I ignored the internet and TV for a month and then ...), tomorrow I plan to go to Ochakov for my family, at least on Sunday, we'll see
      6. Oleg0705
        0
        31 July 2012 12: 34
        VAF,


        for spreading panic rumors _____________________________________________________ negative
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +3
          31 July 2012 12: 40
          Quote: Oleg0705
          for spreading panic rumors


          And where did you see ... panic, well, and even more so rumors ????

          Or was it scary from something ??? So, prepare the trench in the full profile and don’t forget, 200 grams of vodka and how it will be removed by hand! soldier
          1. Oleg0705
            0
            31 July 2012 12: 52
            VAF,
            We are in Ulyanovsk ...


            Have you seen it with your own eyes? stop is there evidence

            leads Voice of America a replica of Vice Admiral Chirkov (quoted from InoСMI.ru).


            sources negative

            Or was it scary from something ???


            I know what it is
        2. Borizzz
          +1
          31 July 2012 19: 25
          And if you still have something there?
      7. Alx1miK
        +1
        31 July 2012 15: 11
        Awful news. Usually big wars begin at the beginning of the century. Right now there is a tense atmosphere in the world, the same beginning of the century (2012), and we are not fighting for bases. Nightmare.
      8. Sober
        +3
        31 July 2012 16: 43
        VAF,
        I do not agree! 1. in Russia we have BASES, namely the base and the military - no! there is a simple transshipment point, it could be a commercial one. there is war in afghanistan, it’s military, the presence of the military is excluded, only landing and take-off of military transport aircraft! no need to substitute facts, the base is the base, and the transshipment point in the form of an airplane that flies there is the transportation of goods here! with the same success they could have hired a trading company, then nothing would have known at all and no one would have known! By the way, we are also participating in this war, but passively))) Well, they did it all according to the law! but, if it were the other way around and military cargo would be carried on transport and merchant ships, then there is already a violation of the laws! I don’t see a panic, it’s better when the enemy acts officially than when the FIG knows where he is and what he is doing! You can not agree, your right!
        2. what is being built in Ukraine is a little different. 1. the authorities didn’t tell anyone 2. these are the berths for warships i.e. landing and landing of the military from the territory of Ukraine. and the passage of warships through the Black Sea, which is also not that!

        if you already speak, then tell the truth and analyze starting from it, and not fantasize!

        by the way, I’ll answer right away the 1st question / objection, yes, maybe they can land with us, they can bring something, but the first one and so fly and bring the second one, if ours are not fools, then we watch these loads with all our eyes and the nature of the goods!
      9. +3
        31 July 2012 21: 22
        VAF, yeah, too, I have the authority ,, Voice of America ”!!!! fool
      10. Sober
        0
        31 July 2012 22: 46
        On the same days, it became known that the Vietnamese authorities refused to return the former base of the USSR to the Russian Federation, and the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov promised "not to restore the Russian military presence" in Cuba.

        1. In Vietnam, let it be known, you cannot have a foreign military base. MAX. Rem. dock and provision! and we didn’t have a military base there!
        2. In Cuba, nothing has been decided yet - this is all a long process, until everyone brains and comes to common figures, it will take a lot of time, do not run ahead of the steam engine sir!

        and yet, what kind of disinf ... 2 hours ago they decided on the base, two hours later they refused .. it's not about talking to beer / vodka on the bench! Now yes, I haven’t drunk yet, I woke up and I don’t remember anything! so things are not being done, just so far everything is complicated .. grandmothers, what and when, then yes ... they should understand that Cuba is near the United States and that everything is just not done!

        ps
        but, as I would like, for a base in Cuba to be built and rockets to be put there before the heap, as before !!!
      11. insomnia
        -4
        31 July 2012 23: 47
        We survived ... The probable enemy is building a base in our deep rear. Let them say that this is, they say, not a base, but a transit point for the transportation of military equipment, but this will already be their American territory protected by their military, and we have no right there either to inspect the cargo or to inspect the territory. And nearby, as they write, some terribly secret research institute of nuclear reactors is located, and the landing brigade is stationed nearby. What prevents them from secretly installing measuring equipment there for measuring the level of soil radiation or analyzing the air for the presence of chemical compounds contained in the fuel used by the engines of the TU-160 strategic bombers, whose flight route passes over the Ulyanovsk region. from the Engels airbase? And what will prevent them, on the basis of these data, from drawing up a schedule of combat missions of our long-range aviation or from obtaining data on the nature of research at the research institute on the increased radiation background?
        1. Oleg0705
          -1
          1 August 2012 00: 32
          insomnia,
          For this, I think there are all kinds of complexes and means of electronic and other suppression.
          We, too, are not basting cabbage soup! wink
          1. Oleg0705
            -1
            2 August 2012 01: 18
            for shtoo ???? crying
        2. Odinplys
          +1
          2 August 2012 01: 25
          Quote: insomnia
          We survived ... A probable enemy is building a base in our deep rear. Let them say that this, they say, is not a base, but a transit point for the transportation of military property, but it will be their American territory guarded by their military, and we have no right to inspect the cargo there or inspect the territory.


          It has long been said Russian personnel ...
          Yes, and the question of the base is almost closed ... the United States signed an agreement with Pakistan ... So do not be very nervous ..
      12. Trofimov174
        0
        1 August 2012 08: 05
        Is the transit post in Ulyanovsk without a single American employee and controlled by the Russian armed forces called a "NATO base"?
    2. +1
      31 July 2012 12: 42
      Oh, I do not believe in their angelic intentions ... When did the Americans do something for free?
      1. +1
        31 July 2012 12: 57
        When did the Americans do something for free?

        If this meets their geopolitical interests, then why not ....
        1. Sober
          +1
          31 July 2012 22: 37
          sobsna, like everyone else, including us)
    3. Kibb
      0
      1 August 2012 21: 33
      VADIM, tomorrow I’m going to Ochakov, according to my father-in-law there is no particular problem (I have little faith), but I want to look myself, my wife was away for a month and a half and said interesting things ... in short, I don’t want to comment, but I don’t like all this .
    4. 0
      2 August 2012 17: 39
      And build and dig!
      All interested in the latest news from the scene in Ochakovo to watch / read photos and comments on them mga04.
      drinks
  2. +20
    31 July 2012 08: 35
    So I do not know what to write request The people in Ukraine are one, the government is different, where what is heading and how it will end, probably not what good.
    1. black_eagle
      +5
      31 July 2012 08: 43
      Fighting swimmers are being trained in Ochakovo, I don’t think that everything that is built on the basis of this type can be made public, it’s the army, there must be secrecy, believe me, if Russia helped to build it, there would be no less noise, let our people open their mouths They don’t have a clue, and they don’t want to have that any problem must first be sorted out and then only to look for the guilty, we have the opposite, by the way it always has been
      1. +16
        31 July 2012 08: 54
        Already do not cook ...
        May Island is abandoned!
        And before they really trained the combat swimmers of the Black Sea Fleet. In Ochakovo itself there was a serious airdrome where the Su-27 stood under the USSR.
        Generally a great place Ochakov.
        1. +7
          31 July 2012 09: 09
          Quote: professor
          May Island is abandoned!



          And not May Day? 17th separate brigade of special forces of the GRU USSR Armed Forces
          1. Captain Vrungel
            +8
            31 July 2012 09: 20
            When the USSR May Day. When Ukraine was renamed Maisky.
          2. Kibb
            0
            1 August 2012 22: 06
            May Day, although Maisky also occurs (Nikolaev before the revolution), it is abandoned, but they are still not allowed to remove it (there are the remains of the casemates of the 22nd battery). But not GRU Special Forces - Navy Special Forces was there
        2. VAF
          VAF
          +5
          31 July 2012 11: 11
          Quote: professor
          In Ochakovo itself, there was a serious airfield where the Su-27s stood during the USSR.


          Professor, good afternoon, +! Let me supplement you and, by the way, why was ??? He is ... and very serious ... airfield !!!

          In1959, on the basis of the disbanded Nikolaev VMMTAU, Levanevsky created 33 TsBPL Av.VMF for retraining Flight and ITS Av.VMF. .Aerodromes:
          1.Kulbakino (540MRAP)
          2.Ochakov (555IIKVP)
          3. Saki (299KShAP 100 KIAP until 1988).

          33 Center for Combat Application and Retraining of Flight Crew (Pulp and Paper Combine) of the Naval Aviation named after E.N. Preobrazhensky.
          Materiel: IL-28, Tu-16, Mi-4, Ka-15, Ka-25, Ka-27, Ka-29, Be-12, Yak-38, MiG-21, L-39, Tu-142, MiG-29, Su-27, Tu95, Il38, Tu22M2 and M3.

          In addition, a very specific Part was also based .. "777" bully , which formally did not comply with 33 ЦППЛ.
          "777" had the following "hardware part" .. An2. An24.An26.Il62 (M) .Ty154.Ty134. bully

          After the collapse of the USSR, the Air Force Center of Ukraine was established on the basis of the Central Military Hospital.

          Well, now, just for a second, imagine that the amers are "located" at this airbase, and even with such "materiel" ???

          Lockheed Martin Corporation at the White Sands training ground in New Mexico has recently successfully completed the integration of the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) cruise missile on an F-15E with a full flight test.



          The successful full test of JASSM (and missiles in general) for integration on the platform was carried out for the first time using the universal armament interface (UAI). The US Air Force launched the UAI program with the goal of improving the integration cycle of new high-precision weapons on board an aircraft without changing each weapon and flight operating platform software.

          “This is a significant achievement in integrating JASSM into new aircraft,” said Alan Jackson, director of JASSM at Lockheed Martin. “The F-15E is the sixth platform to deploy these reliable and high-precision cruise missiles.”

          Something becomes quite .... ".. not fun" ?! recourse
          1. mga04
            +4
            31 July 2012 11: 45
            Why is there a picture of the Kulbakino airfield and in general how does the F-15 relate to the topic of the article ?!
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +1
              31 July 2012 12: 17
              Quote: mga04
              Why is there a picture of the Kulbakino airfield and in general how does the F-15 relate to the topic of the article ?!


              And if you think a little ??? wink
              1. Pavlodar
                +2
                1 August 2012 03: 54
                And if you think about it ... before the Second World War the Germans also climbed the mountains of the Caucasus for a reason ...
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  0
                  1 August 2012 11: 23
                  Quote: Pavlodar

                  And if you think about it ... before the Second World War the Germans also climbed the mountains of the Caucasus for a reason ...


                  What can I say ... Well done, +! soldier

                  All the same, there are much more sane people on the site and it pleases! fellow
          2. +4
            31 July 2012 15: 44
            Let me complement you and, by the way, why was ???

            "Was" because no one has been flying from it for a long time (as far as I know), and the airfield is a living organism whose vital activity must be maintained, otherwise it will simply die ...
            In Kulbakino the situation will be better (not without the help of Russia), but the powers that be have already laid eyes on the territory of the airfield located in the city limits. In Kherson, too, the airfield was yes "floated".
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +3
              31 July 2012 16: 12
              Quote: professor
              In Kulbakino the situation will be better (not without the help of Russia), but the powers that be have already laid eyes on the territory of the airfield located in the city limits.


              I haven't been there for a long time, so ... well, about what is needed and how it should be, so that the airfield does not "die" I am a little ... aware ... soldier

              And Kherson ... is rather weak, however, for serious equipment hi

              For information, thank you ... +! drinks
            2. mga04
              0
              31 July 2012 16: 28
              And how is Russia to Kulbakino, I'm kind of like a local, but I don't know, educate if you can. In Kherson, there was a civil airport, and the nearby helicopter base (the 11th Army Aviation Regiment of the 79th Separate Airmobile Brigade) is operating safely. Kulbakino airfield is also actively (by modern standards) exploited. It hosts the 299th tactical aviation brigade (Su-25) and a specialized center for combat training of aviation specialists. In addition, the airfield is serviced by the NARP (Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Enterprise).
              1. +4
                31 July 2012 16: 34
                That's just thanks to this enterprise and the repair of Russian sides Kulbakino survived in due time. By the way, I jumped with a parachute there, but I almost took it to Vodopoy ... laughing
                1. mga04
                  +1
                  31 July 2012 16: 52
                  Now do not jump too much - $ 50 one jump on the D1-5U from a height of 1000 meters. You have to go to hell and rent a normal dome, but the price is acceptable and the height is 4000m.
              2. +1
                31 July 2012 16: 49
                mga04,
                Quote: mga04
                NARP (Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Enterprise).

                was at this enterprise in 92 engines with tu95 took away, but what is being repaired now?
                1. mga04
                  +2
                  31 July 2012 17: 12
                  These airplanes are made, and they are called "NARP-1".
                  A piece of the official press release of the enterprise:
                  In addition, “NARP” carries out maintenance and repair of Su-24 M / MR, An-12, Tu-142, Tu-22 M2 / M3 aircraft, aircraft units and assemblies, (taking into account the above) Il-76, Il -78, Tu-95MS, An-12, An-24/26, An-32, Il-38, Yak-40/42, Tu-154, Tu-137, Il-18, average repair of D-30 aircraft engines KP, D-30 KP2. Successfully carried out in Nikolaev and repair of auxiliary power units I-6A (A1,5). It should be remembered that the development of the repair of the APU I-6V, I-8, TG-16, I-12 is being carried out.
                  http://www.kavr.com.ua/avr/files/img/%D0%9D%D0%90%D0%A0%D0%9F%20%D0%9D%D0%90%D0%
                  A0% D0% 9F-1.JPG
                  1. The Armed Forces
                    0
                    6 August 2012 12: 53
                    And the Russian Federation is repairing there. But be quiet, don't tell anyone here ....
      2. biglow
        +11
        31 July 2012 09: 07
        black_eagle,
        what is the secrecy of the Ukrainian army, a wedding was rolled out in a sevast on a general boat, cottages are on the territory of a military training ground An airdrome in a belbek became a passage yard only when they bring everyone to Yanyk and then the passage yard again. It is easy to enter the territory of many Ukrainian military units in Sevast to any Vasya ... this is the degradation of Ukraine
      3. +4
        31 July 2012 09: 21
        "only let our people open their mouths" well, of course, where we really need it ...
        1. black_eagle
          +9
          31 July 2012 11: 52
          What's wrong? Recall our constant rallies and tent camps! They filthy up Kiev, but how do you ask the people why are you sitting there so 90% cannot answer, or are they starting to say for freedom, for which mother is your freedom? who shields whom? who's stopping anyone from living? well no! one must always pretend to be offended and flawed instead of working to work and to work again!
    2. Kaa
      +5
      31 July 2012 09: 30
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The people in Ukraine are one, the government is different

      The video was played on regional television, few people saw it, I myself accidentally stumbled upon the network. It is especially touching that along the way "military engineers" built a sports ground for children, just like O. Bender - "But only help the children!"
  3. Odessa
    +3
    31 July 2012 08: 39
    Ukrainian veterans were worried about the fact that the Americans were carrying out construction work. According to them, daily in the morning, people in camouflage uniforms of the American armed forces bring two minibuses.

    So, according to Dmitry Chalenko, one of the veterans of the Ukrainian army, construction is underway on the territory of the military port by US engineering forces. But the process itself is not so dangerous. The main thing is what they are building.

    NATO’s intermediate base or point. Judging by its scope, it was not a frail object that they decided to plow.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +19
      31 July 2012 09: 05
      For reference. Boats of combat swimmers from Maysky Island were based in this harbor. It is two miles from this harbor. On this island was the scariest base of KChF combat swimmers. Ukraine does not have landing ships in need of this slip, and for imported combat swimmers armed with high-speed inflatable boats with a hard bottom, a slip is needed. And the airfield is nearby. Former training center for training pilots and helicopter pilots. Suvorov took Ochakov. Manually built Maisky Island for artillery batteries sewn up the entrance to the Dnieper-Bug estuary is a betrayal of power. There is nothing sacred except the benefit for oneself.
      1. Odessa
        +7
        31 July 2012 09: 22
        Captain Vrungel,
        Yes, you can provide me with a lot of reference information. I know very well what Ochakov is like as a strategic object. And the United States, by the way, has already learned how many advantages there will be for them if they gain a foothold in Ochakov. They definitely decided to come up with something, rental proposals or the partial operation of some facilities from them the leadership of Ukraine has not yet received?
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +9
          31 July 2012 09: 42
          Not all proposals are made public, especially under current rulers. Cynicism and hypocrisy with the resulting rashness, rolls over.
          1. Odessa
            +5
            31 July 2012 09: 49
            Captain Vrungel,
            Not all proposals are made public, especially under current rulers. Cynicism and hypocrisy with the resulting rashness, rolls over.

            I am aware of what is happening in Ukraine.
            And this is for you love and hello to Odessa-mom! smile
            1. Captain Vrungel
              +2
              31 July 2012 09: 54
              Thank. The sea is clean, the water is warm, the weather is excellent. Come relax.
              1. Odessa
                +2
                31 July 2012 10: 03
                Captain Vrungel,
                Thank. The sea is clean, the water is warm, the weather is excellent. Come relax

                Do not poison my soul, captain, if they return, then only forever! smile
                1. Splin
                  +5
                  31 July 2012 10: 18

                  Patriotism is a very vague thing., Especially because of the mound.
          2. Splin
            +3
            31 July 2012 09: 59
            You belong to the Vitrenko party, only the PSPU and Rodina are so zealously "fighting" for the rights of ordinary citizens, with a selfish goal for themselves. Moreover, the latter do this always on the eve of the elections (by the way, this is their ATV) in order to get into the Council.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              +8
              31 July 2012 10: 24
              Uv. Splin! For the record, Markov's party is not Rodina, but Rodyn, and these are two big differences. In general, I am an ardent anti-partyist at this stage of development of the state of Ukraine. All parties are a rabble of crooks with interests in order to achieve their own selfish goals at the trough of the authorities, and we are "biomass" for them and other bad words, in their words, preventing them from living.
            2. +1
              31 July 2012 15: 28
              Splin,
              Interestingly, Mikhalovna (Vitrenko) is still afloat? in politics. I remember she drank more than one glass. Somewhere at home and the mandate lies with the presidential election, she then lost Kuchma.
              1. mga04
                +2
                31 July 2012 15: 34
                Yes, she’s a political corpse. For two years I have not heard anything about her, but here the elections are on the nose, so Madame drew herself.
                1. 0
                  31 July 2012 15: 43
                  mga04,
                  but in principle she was well done, a doctorate in pig breeding. strong, swam well
                  1. Splin
                    +2
                    31 July 2012 16: 09
                    Lively her movement. He then receives money for stocks. But she missed her time, Now even the communists have modernized. But she hopes for the elderly.
      2. mga04
        +8
        31 July 2012 10: 16
        This is due to the lack of boats you mentioned. In general, there is too much stink out of nothing.
        In the Odessa port, American divers, together with Ukrainian divers, raised a long-sunken floating berth as part of the Sea Breeze exercise. Thanks to this, about a hundred meters of the berth wall became available and several hundred thousand hryvnias were saved. So let's raise the stench on this fact, "how dare these dastardly Americans help us to clear the waters of the naval base."
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +2
          31 July 2012 10: 46
          These pleasure boats for quiet weather and closed waters can be launched by two people. We are talking about high-speed with two steering motors of 200 e.p. equipped with navigation devices including radar. They did not pay attention to how they drove in previous exercises in the external raid. And this was a rental from the Americans. In black vests, two, one drives, and a minder in shorts, the crew of the boat. the Americans.
          1. mga04
            +1
            31 July 2012 11: 38
            Is it also for hire? There is a bigger one, I’ll find a photo.
            1. Sergh
              +8
              31 July 2012 13: 14
              Brothers Ukrainians, I’m sorry, are you talking about what boats are you talking about?
              Quote: mga04
              There is a bigger one, I’ll find a photo

              I think I found the boat you were talking about, that's for sure HE:



              I apologize, but it wasn’t wider!
              1. mga04
                +2
                31 July 2012 16: 32
                Smiled, thanks.
              2. 0
                1 August 2012 15: 19
                Good cutter. Is it possible to go fishing on it, on the Moscow river? fellow
            2. The Armed Forces
              0
              6 August 2012 13: 11
              The boats are also American, by the way are in service.
          2. +3
            31 July 2012 13: 01
            These pleasure boats for quiet weather and closed waters can be launched by two people.

            Since when did army "Zodiacs" become pleasure boats ???
        2. TAGIR
          +10
          31 July 2012 11: 21
          Any help from the Americans is not for the good of Ukraine, but against Russia. First they will rub your ass, then a boot over that priest. Folk tales should be read (first I’ll hide it on the bench, then they will settle down, you’ll drive the hell out)
        3. +3
          31 July 2012 13: 41
          "The Japanese offered us here - to clean up the river bed, but they will take away the garbage that they get themselves - but we didn't give it !!!")))
          1. Sergh
            0
            31 July 2012 21: 40
            Quote: bddrus
            but the garbage that they get themselves will be taken away - but we didn't give it !!! ")))

            Yeah, right now, sir, in the 70s I drowned a great in my river, "Eaglet" was called, it is now a rarity of local lore, and for them, narrow-eyed I feel sorry for the "Yamaha" four-cylinder ...
      3. +1
        31 July 2012 19: 52
        Captain Vrungel,
        I do not recognize the Slavs - have they really sold these amers to nonsense.
    2. black_eagle
      +2
      31 July 2012 09: 14
      So this is just very shitty! Well, to be honest, I’d like to cover a little of the media with my mouth with a cast-iron stove, otherwise 80% throw out unverified data just for the sake of ratings and sensations
      1. Odessa
        +12
        31 July 2012 09: 35
        black_eagle,
        Well, to be honest, I’d like to cover a little of the media with my mouth with a cast-iron stove, otherwise 80% throw out unverified data just for the sake of ratings and sensations

        Darling, do you sometimes think that you write. Judging by your comment, did the military start to panic out of the blue? Yes, I never believe it, it's not that category of people, that’s exactly that they are 80% right and therefore they sound the alarm . But this is my personal point of view, that's all.
        1. +8
          31 July 2012 09: 46
          Quote: Odessa
          military out of the blue began to panic?


          Right Especially veterans of them then what is the benefit?
          1. Splin
            -3
            31 July 2012 10: 03
            Quote: Vadivak
            Especially veterans of them then what is the benefit?

            Eh, you didn’t see the whole program, when the grandmother said as before it was good. That's right, her men then wanted and her back did not hurt.
      2. mga04
        -2
        31 July 2012 15: 15
        Look at the photo, I won’t even comment on it.
        1. -1
          31 July 2012 16: 42
          betrayed the traitors ?? what
          1. Oleg0705
            0
            1 August 2012 00: 20
            Quote: Sanches
            betrayed the traitors ??


            stop No, he - revealed, discovered, uncovered, opened, revealed, exposed.
        2. iSpoiler
          +1
          31 July 2012 17: 37
          Sales even if nakosyachil .... Th yell ...
          announcements to write some ... not the people, well, just like women ....
          Send muzzle stuffed and x with him ..
          Pahod women and wrote
        3. +2
          31 July 2012 20: 08
          mga04,
          That’s how honest people are dirty. History does not teach anything - offensive to the Slavs.
          1. Sergh
            +4
            31 July 2012 21: 55
            Quote: mga04
            I won’t even comment on it

            Oops, but the leaflet is custom made: "We, former colleagues ...", but hastily written, with mistakes from supposedly colleagues. Well at least not Americans wrote in English.
        4. Oleg0705
          0
          31 July 2012 23: 16
          mga04,

          You still comment on it. I do not understand your position on this "letter" and why did you put it up?
          --- My
          1. mga04
            +1
            31 July 2012 23: 31
            But tomorrow I’ll comment on when I will have the information from the place, and not the Internet trash.
        5. SSR
          +1
          1 August 2012 12: 31
          why is it a poster with an error in the text?
  4. +17
    31 July 2012 08: 43
    Send our underwater special forces there so that all of their scuba divers were cut out and the buildings were blown up. And to say that they themselves did something wrong there. These Yankees just let go somewhere, then you can’t get them out of dust
    1. Tirpitz
      +2
      31 July 2012 09: 33
      Send it to Ulyanovsk.
      1. TAGIR
        +6
        31 July 2012 11: 24
        In Ulyanovs there is the 31st Airborne Brigade and there are no Americans there and they won’t be given anything
        1. karate
          0
          4 August 2012 04: 55
          On television, the news showed Putin’s meeting with servicemen of the 31st Airborne Brigade in Ulyanovsk. When asked about the NATO base in Ulyanovsk (though his physiognomy was immediately distorted from this question), Putin replied that the NATO base in Ulyanovsk is in Russia's national interests! !! That would be in the state of Texas in the national interests of America to place a Russian base. And this person is the president of Russia, and you write they won’t let me build. I personally watched it in the news on August 2 on Russia channel.
  5. +13
    31 July 2012 08: 45
    "- If, waking up in the morning, you find American soldiers in your yard, do not be alarmed - this is just preparation for joint exercises beneficial for the country!" wassat
    Are there too many of them divorced? Just like cockroaches
  6. bachast
    +9
    31 July 2012 08: 47
    Well, this is not news. Did the Americans abandon their plans? After the collapse of the union, the efforts of the Americans and the presence in the post-Soviet space only increased. The Ukrainian authorities did not surprise us and in the future we will learn about such things
  7. DNA
    DNA
    +1
    31 July 2012 08: 51
    Well, generally insolent .....
  8. Russlana
    +5
    31 July 2012 08: 59
    The passage on countering piracy and terrorism at sea was particularly pleasing.
    1. dmb
      +1
      31 July 2012 10: 33
      You know, similarly. The naval clearly re-read Captain Blood. In general, what idiots are counting on when they say, say, about conducting exercises with the launches of tactical missiles in the framework of the fight against terrorism.
  9. paanvl
    +4
    31 July 2012 09: 00
    From ........ the hometown is obstructed by the foot of an ov soldier. = (((
  10. +29
    31 July 2012 09: 05
    Like a goat ram saved.
    A fable in prose.

    There were sheep on one alpine meadow. A lot of sheep. A whole flock of sheep. We lived well, even perfectly. The weather was good year round, the sun was shining bright. Sometimes, when it rained, the rams hid in a cave. And after the rain, the grass in the meadow was even juicier, even tastier. Sheep walked in the meadow, chewed grass, grew stubborn and multiplied. And everything would be fine if not for the wolves. Gray robbers lived in a nearby forest and often visited sheep on a meadow. And after each such visit, the rams did not count one, or even two of their brothers.
    But once it is not known where he wandered to them. It was very clever. He could read and think. Kozel recently read a theory of evolution, and he really liked this theory. I wish I could put it into practice, I thought
    The rams told the goat about their misfortune. It was a happy occasion for the Goat.
    “I will help you,” he said. “There is such a theory of evolution.” Only the strongest survive on it, and only in the struggle.
    “Are you hiding in a cave from wolves?” The goat asked the rams.
    “We are hiding, otherwise we would have eaten everyone for a long time,” answered the rams.
    - Here! This is where the theory of evolution works, the contented Goat pointed to the cave.
    - Like this? - the rams became interested.
    - Very simple. You are hiding. Wolves are watching, they are tracking you. Learn to run fast, be agile. Improved, in a word. And from year to year they are becoming smarter and more agile. The scent of wolves becomes thinner, the teeth become sharper and sharper, the paws are stronger and stronger.
    - And what to do? - the rams asked.
    “We must deprive the wolves of the soil for improvement,” answered
    - But how to do it? - The sheep really liked this idea.
    “Now I will explain,” the Goat looked around the herd. - It is necessary that the wolves do not track, do not run, do not creep up. And then they will become frail, stupid and then die out. And when they will not run and sneak up? Only when the food itself comes to them. That is, you rams must send someone to the wolves every day to be eaten. And after some time, the wolves will become lazy, gobble up and die out. Then your children will live a happy, calm life. They say they will live, drink honey beer. Do you drink beer?
    “No,” the rams looked at each other.
    - And your children will be.
    - Hooray! - the sheep cried out and began to line up who, in what order to go to the wolves.
    - I am the first. No, me. I have many children, I have the right, I'm out of turn. Skip the veteran, don't push around.
    They argued, but the first to decide to send the youngest, for the seed.
    The wolves were very surprised when a ram came to the forest. They were surprised, but they ate the sheep and did not go hunting that day. And the next day, a ram came to them again. And the wolves did not go hunting again.
    The evolutionary theory experiment was very successful. The goat was pleased. He grazed in a meadow with the remaining rams, without fear of wolves, and waited for the results of a grand experience.
    And it lasted a hundred days. And then the sheep ran out. The wolves waited one day, another, a third. Sheep do not go to them. They decided to visit the meadow, see what happened to the rams.
    And when the wolves came to the meadow, they did not see the rams there. Only one goat roamed the meadow. The wolves wanted to ask the goat where the rams had gone, but they did not have time. The goat saw the wolves and ran away.
    The goat wandered away from the meadow and was sad. Such a good experiment could not be completed, and had to leave such a good meadow.
    “There were too few sheep in the meadow,” he decided. - We need to look for a larger herd, and continue the experiment.
    Having made such a decision, Kozel perked up, and with his head held high he went in search of.
    Sorry for the sheep who believed the goat.
    Sorry for the wolves that were left without food.
    Sorry for the other flock that will find
    Sorry for the science being studied
    It’s a pity life in which scientific experiments spend
    Do not be sheep, do not listen to the Kozlov, live your mind.
    And then your meadow will be yours.
  11. aleksandr140759
    -9
    31 July 2012 09: 11
    What, why veterans? The language in the ass, when the base in Ulyanovsk is placed, when are they going to fight over Tuzla? All those who served in Maysky and live in Ukraine did not see anything bad, except for the exchange of experience in equipping an unprepared landing site in the city limits and engineering support.
  12. wolverine7778
    +3
    31 July 2012 09: 29
    The world does not stand still, including the United States, gradually drawing Ukraine into its orbit, the port is abandoned, one side will not want to master, the other will master, now this trend has gone, to take as many objects as possible and faster wassat
    1. Splin
      -4
      31 July 2012 10: 05
      Therefore, do Kazakhs buy NATO-style equipment?
      1. 0
        31 July 2012 10: 38
        Nazarbayev is a prisoner of war of the dollar war, like Yanukovych, and here one of two things is to either calmly watch our governments stick their heads in the mouth of a lion or start a civil war that will destroy only the state that recovered from the apocalypse, and both options that’s too bad
        1. Splin
          +1
          31 July 2012 10: 52
          You had Zhanaozen half a year ago. Not a very good example of disobedience. Kyrgyzstan is close at hand, also in that vein of the song. The revolution has never brought anyone good in the short term.
          1. 0
            31 July 2012 11: 05
            here I am talking about the same thing - nationalization of resources, production, military bases in our time and in our countries is possible only as a result of a bloody revolution, and nationalization itself will lead to war with the whole world (i.e. against NATO and their pawns like our own countries). It remains only to sit back and hope that we will be allowed to develop quietly, and not all the juices will be pulled out
            1. +9
              31 July 2012 11: 43
              You know, gentlemen, if our grandfathers reasoned like that during the war (why resist, fight, because blood will be shed) we would live now. I do not in any way call for a revolution, but to sit and watch as your country is sold, corrupted, provided for "transit points" and other berths, turned into a storage room with minerals and a dump of nuclear waste for the "civilized" is simply unworthy of the memory of ancestors , no respect. Do not take it personally, he himself is, you need to knock on the clave of heroism a little. Apparently, the will of the people to resist is fading away, since it is considered the norm to turn the other cheek and wipe the spit from the face. Or maybe this is ours, branded, indecent to endure for a long time ..., and then smash everything to an edren hair dryer?
            2. Splin
              +2
              31 July 2012 11: 44
              Any revolution is possible only in a state of war of the state, but this is simply a putsch. The change of order never happened peacefully. All states of Eastern Europe went through this.
  13. +2
    31 July 2012 09: 37
    WTF? I would like to hear official clarifications
  14. Jeen
    -16
    31 July 2012 09: 49
    A gratifying fact.
    Down and Out trouble started
    In a healthy way, we would have 3-4 full-profile American bases along the northeast-south perimeter, and no NATO is needed - Ukraine will be guaranteed against imperialist encroachments from the northeast
    1. +5
      31 July 2012 09: 55
      Quote: Jeen
      Encouraging fact

      Well, for Bandera there is no holy place. This is what you need to be ............ that they would sell you, and you're glad fool I’ll disturb you, Ukraine will be with Russia! hi
      1. lukovskoy
        -3
        31 July 2012 19: 22
        This will grow to fall, like the USSR. And Ukraine will be with Europe and the United States !!!
        1. 0
          31 July 2012 20: 19
          lukovskoy,
          Well traitors at all times either on a count or in a loop.
        2. -1
          1 August 2012 15: 40
          Look at my friend in Europe, it is already falling apart, and Russia stood, stands and will stand. The USSR did not fall apart, but parasites, traitors, and American-European lizas separated. Yes
        3. Cadet787
          0
          1 August 2012 16: 14
          But does Europe and the USA need it and for what purposes?
        4. phantom359
          -1
          1 August 2012 16: 47
          lukovskoy, Well, you turned down)))))))). They are waiting for you there, Pan with a naked w ... th. Well, except that for the elderly to clean the shit and do the dirty work. European, damn it.))))))
    2. +8
      31 July 2012 09: 56
      Jin plus just for making us laugh.
      1. 0
        31 July 2012 15: 29
        Why did you poke him plus? He specifically wants to set a negative rating record! laughing For example, I helped a person, minus poked! Although all these minuses, pluses seem to me some kind of childish game, to be honest.
    3. +6
      31 July 2012 09: 58
      Quote: Jeen
      \ A gratifying fact. Dashing trouble began Well, we would have 3-4 full-base American bases along the northeast-south perimeter, and no NATO is needed - Ukraine will be guaranteed from imperialist encroachments from the northeast


      Yes !!! Brains would have you!
    4. Captain Vrungel
      +7
      31 July 2012 10: 02
      More from the southwest must be feared. And then the Romanians drill (drill does not work, roads are broken) with a step under the drums and unfolded banners reach Odessa. And traditionally, we will ask for help from the northeast.
      1. 0
        31 July 2012 11: 10
        Romanians? With their T-55 and Mig-21? Hardly.
        1. mga04
          +2
          31 July 2012 11: 48
          Do not underestimate the Romanians, today it is the most real threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
          1. Shulz-1955
            +2
            31 July 2012 12: 09
            Romanians are gypsies, they can only talk to death
    5. +5
      31 July 2012 10: 48
      Jeen Today, 09: 49
      A gratifying fact.
      Down and Out trouble started
      In a healthy way, we would have 3-4 full-profile American bases along the northeast-south perimeter, and no NATO is needed - Ukraine will be guaranteed against imperialist encroachments from the northeast
      But what about the imperialist inclinations from the West and South? For example, if Turkey wants to seize Southern Ukraine, amers will only help them, if Romanians or Poles want to seize Western Ukraine, amers will help them with all the power of NATO. Or, in your opinion, "imperialist inclinations" can only be called the disinterested help of the brotherly, blood-blooded people?
      1. Splin
        -4
        31 July 2012 10: 56
        No one will allow a war in the center of Europe with a country possessing nuclear power plants!
        1. +6
          31 July 2012 11: 12
          a weak argument - after all, Israel is not at all afraid to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities at hand
          1. Splin
            -4
            31 July 2012 11: 48
            Do not confuse 1000 mile fortified military installations in the uninhabited mountains of Iran or an open nuclear power plant in Europe. We are not in Kazastan, where for hundreds of miles there are only three villages!
            1. +3
              31 July 2012 13: 43
              and not in Japan, where nuclear power plants are being built on small, densely populated islands. The Japanese are probably building these nuclear plants so that a possible aggressor is afraid to bomb them?
              1. Splin
                +4
                31 July 2012 16: 14
                At our place, nuclear power plants do not work as air defense systems. Each country has its own fate and there is no need to compare them. Fukushima for Europe is so ringing in the ears. Chernobyl is a panic.
      2. lukovskoy
        -2
        31 July 2012 19: 25
        Stop scaring us, Soviet propaganda makes us laugh ...
        1. 0
          31 July 2012 20: 22
          lukovskoy,
          No need to lick ass amer ashamed of people.
    6. TAGIR
      -2
      31 July 2012 11: 28
      And I’m not happy to serve, and it’s not sick to be served ...
    7. biglow
      +2
      31 July 2012 14: 37
      Jeen,
      dream on
    8. -3
      31 July 2012 20: 17
      Jeen,
      The roof was demolished, the gorilka glut oneself?
  15. Nursultan
    +8
    31 July 2012 09: 51
    I hope Ukraine will check after the departure of NATO all its ships and strategic targets for explosive devices. Ring but I do not trust NATO
    1. Barrel
      -3
      31 July 2012 14: 58
      Sounds like paranoia or complete nonsense
  16. KAZAKHSTAN
    +3
    31 July 2012 10: 04
    Blow it to hell with a terrorist attack
    1. aleksandr140759
      +2
      31 July 2012 20: 54
      You with your bombing, first practice on cats ... If you managed to shoot unarmed miners, you really underestimate the Russians and Ukrainians. If we put up with Yaneks and Yushchiks, this does not mean that we will debate as well ... - we will drool prokvators.
      1. -1
        31 July 2012 22: 47
        I wonder where you saw the miners there? Farted in one edge of the village, and in another they say already crap .....
        What kind of people are you? With your self-sufficiency, you no longer know how to spoil yourself, that a stink would interfere with a neighbor ....
  17. xmike
    +4
    31 July 2012 10: 05
    pin dos surround, they never spend money in vain!
    1. Cosmonaut
      0
      31 July 2012 13: 12
      Given their economic situation, they still spend.
  18. Vasily79
    0
    31 July 2012 10: 18
    Yes, I do not believe that it was not fat and they brought a turkey. Several million hryvnias is a trifle for them if necessary. Oranzhenizhnu ******* processed, apparently forgot the tale of the mishandled Cossack. Surely one of them is in power in this region, and the high was raised correctly.
  19. 0
    31 July 2012 10: 32
    Quote: xmike
    xmike today, 10:05
     
    pin dos surround, they never spend money in vain!



    As for the vain-controversial issue, they have their own corruption above the roof, but the fact that it is never free, then there is no doubt about it. Who received the "prize" for this in the future will be investigated by the investigation.
  20. Vital 33
    -5
    31 July 2012 10: 47
    Yeah, that's what dashing veterans we have, it takes pride already !!! I see right
    as they lie in ambush for months tracking down the adversary, and hiding from the guards.
    SAS is resting ... And at the same time, they determined for which boats, and which units, all this is being built ... still at the construction stage ...
    Lord, well, nonsense !!!!
    1. +1
      31 July 2012 20: 26
      Vital 33,
      For veterans, at least the head works unlike you. This is what you need to be an idiot to believe in the decency of amers after seeing what they do around the world.
  21. TAGIR
    -1
    31 July 2012 11: 31
    Well, comrades, "Ukrainians", shit. Father Makhno is not on you.
    1. Vital 33
      0
      31 July 2012 11: 42
      Well, if it comes to that, then you were the first to "crap" ... And we still have a custom reportage at the level of rumors ...
      1. Sergh
        +2
        31 July 2012 12: 10
        Quote: Vital 33
        while the current custom report is at the rumor level ...

        Actually, we haven’t had a report yet, if-what.
      2. TAGIR
        -1
        31 July 2012 12: 12
        On the principle of "the fool himself"? Watch the video. What kind of customized material?
  22. Alexey Pototsky
    0
    31 July 2012 11: 41
    Yatsk politicians surrender Ukraine under NATO. Not only are these military bases being built there, most recently there was NATO training in western Ukraine. It’s sad to look at this ... Zapadentsev can be understood, the Ongi have always been traitors to the Slavic people, but how does the rest of Ukraine tolerate this? Isn’t it time to arrange a fun life for you, for example, to pamper them with a fun firework? A good task for veterans - patriots ... am
  23. Alexey Pototsky
    0
    31 July 2012 11: 44
    Yatsk politicians surrender Ukraine under NATO. Not only are these military bases being built there, most recently there was NATO training in western Ukraine. It’s sad to look at this ... Zapadentsev can be understood, the Ongi have always been traitors to the Slavic people, but how does the rest of Ukraine tolerate this? Isn’t it time to arrange a fun life for you, for example, to pamper them with a fun firework? A good task for veterans - patriots. am
  24. Alexey Pototsky
    0
    31 July 2012 11: 46
    Hand over Hohlak politicians Ukraine under NATO. Not only are these military bases being built there, most recently there was NATO training in western Ukraine. It’s sad to look at this ... Zapadentsev can be understood, the Ongi have always been traitors to the Slavic people, but how does the rest of Ukraine tolerate this? Isn't it time to arrange a fun life for the pindo-sama, for example, to pamper them with a cheerful fireworks? A good task for veterans - patriots. am
    1. mga04
      +2
      31 July 2012 12: 13
      And also in western Ukraine (near Khmelnitsky) there were exercises Ukraine-Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan, in Shirokoe Lan the exercises Ukraine-Russia-Belarus had just ended. And such a dozen will be typed in a year. You see only what you want to see. And why are you sitting in Germany not arranging a cheerful life for NATO members, so to speak, behind enemy lines? There is a video above about "patriots", and so this is about you too.
  25. Kostya pedestrian
    +1
    31 July 2012 12: 14
    Ochakovo - Ukraine? I hear it for the first time. All 40, I thought that Ochakovo was our land, honestly conquered from the Oman Empire by Kutuzov and Suvorov.

    What Galican Russia did not find in the muddy 90s, in the junkies!

    PS: And the Water Infantry is doing the right thing.
    Always respected the mobility of the American Army. And their cars are better and more passable than the German FV (-190-vagena).

    The Ukrainian scientists themselves made up a map of the future division of countries, and Ukraine itself never existed in history almost 20 years ago, and since Moscow needs time to become a leader and win the battle for the Volga, and not be afraid of any fascist Strasbourg and London - nevertheless, American English impresses me much more than very much the South Ukrainian and theirs slave-owning Greek-Catholic religion.
    1. Splin
      +4
      31 July 2012 12: 49
      They will listen very ironically (if the IP is not lying), the moralizing about their land from Australia. If you see my ex-hello to her.
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        0
        4 August 2012 03: 51
        No problem.
        Please note that my harshness towards people who came and settled in Kievan or Galichan Rus who have such hatred for everything Russian, who turned out to be Ukraine as Chamberlain’s feed, is very unknown from where.

        So I, like my ancestors in Belarus, had a chance to run into the runaway elite of the Galician SS (by the way, until recently in Australia they used more favorable privileges in obtaining government posts and jobs than Russians from their savior and accomplice of England - they say that they are churches built from gold mined by them in concentration camps).

        Not to mention the fact that for 2 years while my mother went to the Greek Catholics: a Bandera, whom I never knew about, I only heard the term Bendera, was used in stories as a hero-liberator.

        I am Belarus, and I love Belarusian culture, but it’s not a thirst for the denial of Russian. Well, the language of Western Ukrainian sounds wild to me. So probably the language of the Pygmy Lilliputians sounds.

        I write with respect.
  26. mr. Bender
    +1
    31 July 2012 12: 23
    If the news about the construction of the base is true, this is complete peh friends. Apparently there is a battle for Ukraine ahead. If we lose it, then what is called - "good evening" - we are next. We will hardly last long with the current corrupt elite.
  27. patriot2
    0
    31 July 2012 12: 27
    So is the Ukrainian government going to NATO or not? By the actions of amers and the inaction of the authorities, it should be clear where they are pushing the square. The construction of the basic infrastructure is not a drill, but nothing more than a silent preparation for the deployment of the NATO armed forces in Ukraine in accordance with the NATO concept of equipping the locations of military units.
  28. Jeen
    -13
    31 July 2012 12: 28
    For the time being, territorial and connection aspirations towards Ukraine are demonstrated ONLY by Russia.
    All your nonsense about the evil janissaries or hordes of terrifying Romanians, who only dream of how to hack us and join us, to us, Ukrainians, they seem to be absolute nonsense.
    But the fact that the last 10-12 years your empire has taken a clear and unequivocal course towards the return of our country and our people to a miserable parody of the initially Galimov USSR is even you know.
    With what joy should we like it?
    Just because I, apart from my native language, know your language much better than most of you?
    Just because you want us, Ukrainians, to consider ourselves "Russians" and pray for your tsar, so that you would not be so sad when surrounded by ... non-Russian Russians?
    Just because you yourself have ruined your national economic complex by planting it on a hydrocarbon needle, and now you dream of solving your problems at our expense?
    And we need it?
    We are up to your Kalmyks, Chechens, Bashkirs, Buryats, how to deal with the problems of baobab vegetation on the shores of Titikaki
    1. Vasily79
      +6
      31 July 2012 12: 53
      Jay, do not forget that tearing Ukraine to shreds is even easier than Libya in terms of your non-defense capability and the Geohistorical unification of lands for no more than 80 years. unlike Russia.
      1. Orey
        0
        31 July 2012 13: 33
        Quote: Vasily79
        Jay, do not forget that tearing Ukraine to shreds is even easier than Libya in terms of your non-defense capability and the Geohistorical unification of lands for no more than 80 years. unlike Russia.

        Who?
        What for? What is the benefit?
        Even with all the catastrophic state of ZSU, comparing us with Libya is nonsense.
        1. Vasily79
          +1
          31 July 2012 13: 40
          God forbid this happens, but look for your last competent zsu in Georgia.
        2. +2
          31 July 2012 15: 40
          And what is the benefit of the collapse of other collapsed states? And what kind of ZSU is it that has a catastrophic condition?
          1. Orey
            0
            31 July 2012 16: 36
            Quote: viktorR
            And what is the benefit of the collapse of other collapsed states?

            Geopolitics, oil, ... everything is fine with us so far: there is no oil, and geopolitically both the US and the EU are interested in the existence of Ukraine. Even with President Yanukovych.
            Quote: viktorR
            And what kind of ZSU is it that has a catastrophic condition?

            ZSU is the armed forces of Ukraine, if in Russian. You did not learn Ukrainian at school? (Like they should have been on the flag)
      2. mr. Bender
        +7
        31 July 2012 13: 51
        There is no need to tear anything. The army will not resist (what?). Everything is so disorganized and the authorities and society are split that they are unlikely to show strong resistance. Even if the current Ukrainian elite does not fall under the new masters of life from the west, pushing a more accommodating one will not be difficult.
        There was a real LEADER in Libya, so the resistance dragged on there. Is there such a person in the rotten through and through power elite in Ukraine?
      3. aleksandr140759
        +1
        31 July 2012 21: 04
        Probably sucks at school, and you do not know. that Ukraine is 50% of Russians, and not zombies, but most of them are military retirees and their families, who, by and large in the fig, are your political and imperial nonsense. If we are drunk and whimpering on birches and friends, this does not mean that when the enemy comes from the west or east, we will stay away.
        1. Kievan
          +2
          31 July 2012 23: 33
          Quote: aleksandr140759
          Probably sucks at school, and you do not know. that Ukraine is 50% of Russians,

          I don’t know how you are at school, but according to the latest census of Russians — 17,5%.
    2. scrack
      +2
      31 July 2012 13: 57
      What, national pride woke up?
    3. -1
      31 July 2012 20: 31
      Jeen,
      In your head you have titi and kaki, or paid by the State Department. To carry such crap about your people.
    4. -1
      31 July 2012 21: 47
      Jeen, I read and marvel at such illiteracy.
      Just because you yourself have ruined your national economic complex by planting it on a hydrocarbon needle, and now you dream of solving your problems at our expense?

      From this place, please read more ... Very interesting will be the answer fool Other sayings were very amused
    5. -1
      1 August 2012 16: 05
      You, my friend! Look at your kings. What fat you have not swollen? Do you have a good production development? And with an oil needle a piece who tried to chop off? Your oil princess is still sitting in the fire room behind bars; you cannot deal with her. The only submarine was somehow repaired. So you did not boast that you live well without Russia and, in general, turn to face your people, see how they live, and don’t think about your ambitions. fool
  29. Orey
    -5
    31 July 2012 12: 52
    Veterans of the armed forces agree - a slip is, of course, very good, if not for one, but a very weighty “but”: if you take into account that the American engineering units are engaged in construction work, which are on constant alert, then according to the laws military construction they will be forced to pledge funds for the possible liquidation of the facility. But fuel and lubricants depots and a mine-torpedo base are located very close by. You can imagine how it might end, eif the Americans decide to liquidate their facility ...

    Rzhaka. Valorous veterans have reviewed American films with Chuck Norris, this is the only rational explanation of the delirium in their heads)))
  30. +1
    31 July 2012 12: 52
    Depressing article. I agree with some commentators that there is a lack of time characteristics and more accurate evidence. But here the fact of the presence of the object is important. I propose to give the author a task to collect additional information.
    1. Orey
      -3
      31 July 2012 13: 06
      And what kind of "object"? A dock for motor boats, dumpsters and toilets?
      1. Splin
        +5
        31 July 2012 13: 26
        Quote: Orey
        spleen and toilet type toilet

        [I don’t go through in technical projects on boogamags- I mean probably SLIP
        1. Orey
          -2
          31 July 2012 13: 48
          Quote: Splin
          Meant probably SLIP

          Yes, a typo ...
  31. +9
    31 July 2012 13: 12
    Quote: Jeen
    All your nonsense about evil janissaries or hordes of horrifying Romanians, who only dream of how to make us harbor and reunite, we, Ukrainians, seem to be absolute nonsense. the return of our country and our people to a miserable parody of the initially scurrilous USSR - that even you know. Why should we like it? Just because, besides my native language, I know your language much better than most of you? Just because you want us Ukrainians to consider ourselves "Russians" and pray for your tsar, so that you would not be so sad when surrounded by ... non-Russian Russians? Only because you yourself ruined your national economic complex, having put it on a hydrocarbon needle, and now you dream of solving your problems at our expense? Do we need it? We care about your Kalmyks-Chechens-Bashkirs-Buryats, as well as the problems of the vegetation of baobabs on the banks of Titikaki


    Not you, but the earth. They definitely do not need you with your artificial Ukrainian nationality.
    Not the USSR, but a new powerful state. (It doesn’t matter what name it will be)
    And to whom is it for us? Speak for yourself, I have relatives in Dnepropetrovsk. They have long wanted to travel to Russia and Belarus without any borders.
    And the fact that the national economy has been ruined in Russia is not the fault of the Russian people (do you know the meaning of the word people?), The peisat "tovagischi" helped.
    Anyway, I wished you brains, but apparently this is a pipe dream. But life and time I hope to cure you and make you a normal person. Well, at least you think that you love your land. Not everything is lost.
  32. patriot2
    +6
    31 July 2012 13: 25
    Jeenso Europe will not accept Ukraine, it has enough of its problems related to the crisis, and here you are. Russia also does not need problems with Ukraine, although we do not reject you and do not pull you towards ourselves, as you deigned to say. Well, if you want to become the next pipyax for amers, then this is your trouble. Amer are friends only with those who are useful to them (amers) for a while, they have a long marriage with only small-shavens (long), and what will you be the third? Good luck and more brains to you and your independent government. And learn English better if your choice is not with Russia, which is next to you for millennia, but with wealthy customers from across the ocean.
    1. Orey
      -2
      31 July 2012 14: 05
      Quote: patriot2
      Europe will not accept Ukraine, it has enough of its problems related to the crisis, and here you are.

      So no one is seriously going into it and is not going to ... a free trade zone, a visa-free regime and a point.
      Quote: patriot2
      Amer are friends only with those who are useful to them (amers) for a while, they have a long marriage with only small-shavens (long), and what will you be the third?

      And you generally offer us to be fourth in the TS ...
      There are no permanent allies; there are only permanent interests.
      And all this nonsense here on the site about marriages, who went under whom, has a weak relationship to interstate relations.
      1. Sergh
        -2
        31 July 2012 22: 16
        Quote: Orey
        ... free trade zone, visa-free regime and a point.

        To eat, like the Ferghana Valley on the other side. What are you smoking there?
  33. +2
    31 July 2012 13: 26
    Do Americans in Ukraine build something at their own expense? Lucky, but we have to pay migrant workers
  34. Barrel
    +4
    31 July 2012 13: 47
    Recently

    Well, more recently, joint Ukrainian-American exercises took place there, and more recently, English and French ships stood in support of Wrangel ..
    1. phantom359
      +1
      1 August 2012 16: 53
      Barrel, The fact that the pier is brought to mind is not bad. One thing confuses, as if this help didn’t come out sideways. They don’t give a damn about us, as far as I know, this audience is used to taking without giving anything in return. Examples of the shaft.
  35. 3 points from Ilyich
    -1
    31 July 2012 17: 04
    The Americans will later ask for such an alleged "generosity", they also helped the Georgians recently, supplied weapons and equipment (and not without the help of Ukraine) and what happened ...
  36. +2
    31 July 2012 17: 35
    Quote: patriot2
    Amer are friends only with those who are useful to them (amers) for a while, they have a long marriage with only small-shavens (long), and what will you be the third?


    I support. Only I will allow myself to add, the "glavnyuk" (Zadornov's word) has no friends, there are vassals.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      0
      4 August 2012 04: 42
      Are you a student of Jesus Reichst, and are friends only with those who blaspheme, insult, rob and defeat you?

      I don’t think that such a philosophy will take place in Belarus, we still succumbed to the wars of God in 1410, and we helped the Fritz to go to the best heavenly places.

      Good luck.
  37. +2
    31 July 2012 20: 22
    Salamatin counted everything, estimated that he would stay in the broth, but for the people .... I draw attention to the Unsovites and other children from radical organizations ... Amer already stomp your lands, arrange discos, but chuckle, and you're all about free Ukraine pi ... those. In your place, the one who allowed such a base to have time to spit in the face and attract for subversive activities against the Motherland. Someone will cut their loot, and someone will live in fear, like on a powder keg. Think about whether your anger vector is set up ...
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      0
      4 August 2012 04: 49
      I read Salamatin, and his first sentence in the book was a proposal to impose a moratorium on the mention of the victory over fascist Germany and the axis of evil.

      I wonder if there is at least one writer in the United States calling for a veto on the Declaration of Independence?

      In addition, he relies more on the "facts" of the fascist archives, which were declassified during the Cold War. And he brings all our reports that it was not people who lived with us, won and died for the Motherland - but liars and priest.

      It’s like a dissident Solzhenitsyn and a runaway Rezun - they write a lot, but everything is wrong for them and everything is wrong for them. There is a victory, a feat of the Victorious People took place - but to prove that it was not and that our people did not win, but could not be defeated. It is evident that not all archives of the Fritz were declassified, some probably died during the siege of the Red Army of Berlin.
  38. Sober
    +2
    31 July 2012 23: 01
    video number 2!
    quote * we have to work out debt *

    here it is 1. even in civilian life, they repay debts rather than fulfill them 2. if a military man (or civilian) doesn’t have to fulfill, he should repay in the same way, and what it means, he is not obliged !! it’s all at the level of upbringing and perception, if he’s sent back to his homeland, he will never give anything back, will not work, and so on, and if a person considers this country to be his home, he will go to defend it ... that's my opinion! I love Russia and I’ll go anywhere, but I’ll never call it * work off debt *, give it away, for my childhood, for my education, for my friends, children and family in general, and so on .. for my people , same as me! but this is not working off! I’m blah not at work at my House, I’m born here and owe to this house everything I have .. what a workout it is!

    I was outraged by this phrase, do not judge strictly)))
  39. Stasi.
    +1
    31 July 2012 23: 20
    All wars begin in this way: first the engineering units come, supposedly to assist in the fight against piracy and terrorism in the Black Sea. Then ships and other troops will appear and a full-fledged occupation will begin with all the charms. The current Svidomo elite has finally faded and openly sells its country and people to overseas owners for green papers. My honor and respect to veterans, there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks, Soviet hardening is showing itself.
  40. Oleg Rosskiyy
    +1
    31 July 2012 23: 31
    This is - independence in Ukrainian, all that they have dreamed about for so long, with a bare ass, but under the USA.
    1. snorry
      +2
      1 August 2012 00: 29
      Are you trying to insult the Ukrainians as a whole as a people and a nation or government? You Russians, of course, have a wonderful life and you have breakfast every morning with caviar ...
      1. general-oberst
        0
        1 August 2012 10: 32
        Nobody was going to insult you, but if you write yourself with a capital letter, then of course it looks like an insult. And we eat breakfast almost every day with caviar, only squash or eggplant, from sturgeon and chum salmon - in the sense that from black or red heartburn has long been. laughing
  41. Fayter2007
    0
    1 August 2012 02: 21
    It is certainly difficult for Russians to come to terms with the idea that they have profiled Ukraine. Is the generation growing up or has already grown up who, to the point of genius, troubles about the Slavic brotherhood of Russians and Ukrainians, and the farther the more Russia is turning all neighboring nations against itself, is it really that all Russia is jealous? Realistically assessing the situation, we see the brotherly highest price for gas in Europe, $ 500, despite the fact that Yanyk extended to 2042. CFR stay in Crimea, Tuzla Cossacks renegades Kuban a little to Kuban Alas, lately there has been a solid negative from Russia, and only the older generation has something positive for the Russians ...
    1. 0
      1 August 2012 08: 21
      You forget how you received gas at low prices for 15 years, and that was 3-5 billion dollars in annual subsidies to your economy. This is a lot of money, and this did not stop you from harassing Russia and making friends against it. You yourself have chosen independence from our inexpensive gas.
    2. general-oberst
      +1
      1 August 2012 10: 17
      Alas, son! Only if we talk about the negative, it goes through the media that are paid from the State Department, and not from Russia. And you consider these media as the last judicial instance and that it’s all true that they write. Somewhere in Russia there is an anti-Hohl latvian confrontation, or areas that hate Ukraine? And when you come to work in Russia and treat the Russian language as a dog-language move. This is all called Russophobia and is fueling its pro-American and pro-Western media. Look west of Kiev, this is where the nurseries are anti-Russian. And we did not scam Ukraine, but one chi pin dos drank it, like everything else. But these are all temporary difficulties, we will still be reborn as it always has been, and all the traitors and fools who were still in power now, who consider themselves their feeders, will each receive their own. drinks
      1. snorry
        -1
        1 August 2012 13: 53
        In places west of Kiev, historically there has been hatred of Russians and love of Poles. And about the Russian language ... almost the entire left-bank speaks Russian.
        1. snorry
          +1
          2 August 2012 00: 25
          minus the West Ukrainians? lol
          1. general-oberst
            +1
            5 August 2012 19: 53
            And what else can they, except how disgusting shit. They also have vast experience of beating on the sly, from around the corner and in the back, received from their fathers and grandfathers - Bendera shushkevichs, who, thanks to the "bloody Soviet regime of stranglers and executioners," calmly lived to see gray hair. And now they are passing on all their hatred for their young and stupid Russian girls, who, besides hatred and anger towards Russia, from the words of the old perduns, do not want to know anything. angry
  42. Pavlodar
    +1
    1 August 2012 04: 28
    Well, regarding the fact that Ukraine has the highest gas price, then you, my friend, are not objective. Compare with EU countries. As for the Crimea, it would be better for you to shut up altogether ... If not for the Cossacks, then half of the Crimea would speak Tatar (or Turkish) now ...
    1. snorry
      +2
      1 August 2012 13: 55
      All Tatars were driven into the mountains, and a state was built on the site of their houses. cottages and paid beaches. The entire coast is already behind the fence.
  43. Fayter2007
    +3
    1 August 2012 14: 27
    Poles do not like anywhere this is a fact either on the western or on the left bank, 70% of Russian-speaking people are also a fact, but these are the consequences of 70 years of Soviet power and the Russian language is not oppressed anywhere in Ukraine, this is the invention of your media, 500 green for 1000 cubes the highest price in Europe gas is for Ukraine and this is also a fact ... The same Ochakov was taken mainly thanks to the former Zaporizhzhya Cossacks who became part of the Russian army as well as the Nogai horde which Catherine promised all Crimean Tatars property ... In Russia, a negative attitude to Ukraine is 70% and in Ukraine to Russia 40% ...
    1. sad
      sad
      0
      1 August 2012 23: 46
      almost never heard from the Russian media that the Russian language is oppressed in Ukraine. (It was only once under Yushchenko that they once said that they could forbid speaking Russian in schools like that!) The fact that in Ukraine 70% of Russian speakers are the result of more than 1000 years of our general history. No need to speculate on gas prices for Ukraine. They have always been and now remain lower in general European. In Russia there is a negative attitude not to Ukraine, but to Ukrainian politics, from which it smells like rotten more than permissible norms.
  44. Centaurus
    0
    1 August 2012 14: 47
    I can’t even say anything. From anger, some mats in my tongue spin. belay
    Our Council is still some kind of fool ... fool
  45. Uncle Serozha
    +1
    1 August 2012 14: 52
    Either the Americans lift floating moorings in the Odessa port, or they build moorings for boats in Ochakovo.
    Let someone answer my question: WHY do Americans help others so at no cost? Just do not say that out of philanthropy, do not make me laugh. What they actually install there is a big question.
  46. Okcug32
    0
    1 August 2012 18: 46
    Here it is, the United States still didn’t come so close to our borders ... I think it’s worth considering and starting to be afraid (
    1. sad
      sad
      0
      1 August 2012 23: 00
      Do not be afraid, but do something with it !! You can’t just look at it. Ukraine is too important a partner for Russia!
  47. Alexey Pototsky
    0
    2 August 2012 02: 57
    Sluggish Yatsk politicians ... Yes, so that they live without fat until the end of their days ... laughing
  48. StrateG
    0
    3 August 2012 19: 07
    In Ulyanovs there is the 31st Airborne Brigade and there are no Americans there and they won’t be given anything


    My neighbor serves there. I am also from Ulyanovsk. I must say that I did not notice anything that could turn out to be Yusovsky.
  49. DAOSS
    0
    4 August 2012 16: 34
    I saw this "base")) Well, they built a pier and piled it, so what?
    Gentlemen of the Russians, in vain you will pinpoint, no one !!! hear !!! NO ONE! in Ochakov, the Americans will not let go for a long time! this is the south of Ukraine and here 90% are Russian-speaking and, if not pro-Russian, then definitely people are against NATO.
    I am from Nikolaev, I know what I'm talking about.
  50. The Armed Forces
    -1
    6 August 2012 13: 19
    The American brothers are helping us - they are building us at their own expense, unlike other poor freeloaders - sitting on our neck in our Sevastopol.
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