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Rosguard ordered the delivery of Kalashnikov 200 series

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Rosguard ordered the delivery of Kalashnikov 200 series

The Russian Guard has entered into a new contract with the Kalashnikov concern for the supply of automatic machines of the 200th series in the usual and shortened form. This follows from the materials posted on the public procurement website.


According to the application, the Russian Guard has ordered the concern to supply AK-200 and AK-205 assault rifles in the amount of 1400 and 200 assault rifles, respectively. The contract must be completed by November 20 of this year, the total cost of delivery is 90,4 million rubles.

The Kalashnikov assault rifle of the 200th series was developed at Izhmash in 2008-2009, but did not go into the series due to the freezing of the project. Work on the machine was resumed in 2015, taking into account developments on the AK-400 machine ("AK-12 model 2016") and on the development kit "Body kit". The presentation of the assault rifles of this series was held at the Army 2017 exhibition; the assault rifles were presented to the public in 2018.

The Kalashnikov assault rifles of the 200th series are, in fact, the further development of the OCD "Body kit", produced in the factory. As stated, unlike AK-74M and AK-103 assault rifles, the 200 series has "improved ergonomics" and the presence of Picatinny rails that allow the installation of modern sighting systems and other accessories. Otherwise, there are no significant differences.

The machine is designed for law enforcement and for export, the more sophisticated AK-12 and AK-15 assault rifles are supplied to the Russian army. The AK-200 is a “regular” submachine gun of 5,45X39 mm caliber, the 205th is a shortened version of the submachine gun. In addition, the 200th series includes AK-201 and AK-202 submachine guns chambered for 5,56X45 mm (normal and shortened) and AK-203 and AK-204 chambered for 7,62X39 mm caliber (regular and shortened).
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  1. Eug
    Eug 10 May 2020 12: 34 New
    -5
    Wow ... but what is RosGuard not buying the most sophisticated machines? And if not a secret, why 5.45? As for me, for RosGuard 7.62 shortened - just right ...
    1. Clerk
      Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 20 New
      +4
      And why is the AK-12 better than the same 200? So the differences are mostly minor, but the difference in cost is probably very significant!
    2. opus
      opus 10 May 2020 13: 29 New
      -9
      Quote: Eug
      Wow ... but what is RosGuard not buying the most sophisticated machines?

      are preparing
      для них "деньги есть, не держитесь тут, всего хорошего вам"
      According to the Ministry of Finance, the 2020 budget is funded by the Russian Guard 251,3 billion rubles pledged - 3,2 billion more than a year ago. The total expenditures of the federal treasury on “national security and law enforcement” will amount to 2,5 trillion rubles - 319 billion rubles, or 14,6% more than in 2019.

      April 2020
      The Russian Guard announced the purchase of 57 hand grenades (“RGN products index 500G7”)
      1. AUL
        AUL 10 May 2020 13: 41 New
        +7
        Treat this with understanding! They take care of you! wassat
        1. opus
          opus 10 May 2020 13: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: AUL
          Treat this with understanding! They take care of you!

          no, thanks
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 10 May 2020 15: 28 New
          0
          Yeah ... there is no doubt about it! laughing
      2. tagil
        tagil 10 May 2020 16: 27 New
        +3
        Yeah. How can you shoot people from junk, suddenly a bullet in your forehead will bring dirt and throw grenades of the last century like RGD-5. In general, do not you think that you are carrying wild stupidity?
        1. Clerk
          Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 51 New
          +1
          ... and in which case they must neutralize the terrorists with Maxim’s machine guns and machine guns, right? You would at least learn what specific units of the FSVNG these Kalash will get. and then they would draw conclusions!
          PS - извините. По этому вашему комментарию сначала подумал что вы из "этих" оппозицунов.
          1. tagil
            tagil 10 May 2020 16: 55 New
            -1
            Я прекрасно догадываюсь каким подразделениям достанется это оружие и для чего. Может вы сначала прочитаете кому и на что я в таком "ключе" ответил прежде чем вот так наскакивать сразу.
            1. Clerk
              Clerk 10 May 2020 17: 08 New
              -4
              Yes, I say - I'm sorry. It hurt like a pile.
              1. tagil
                tagil 10 May 2020 18: 07 New
                +3
                Nothing happens, you do not pay attention to these ducks. They can only be explained with a rubber club. Here such Novodvorskie sometimes come across that the hand reaches for the holster.
                1. Clerk
                  Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 14 New
                  0
                  And you just imagine that there would be if instead of new Kalash anti-terrorist units and operational brigades of the FSVNG received jet flamethrowers!
                  1. tagil
                    tagil 10 May 2020 18: 18 New
                    +1
                    Ну я думаю что если будет необходимость, то получат. В погранвойсках были и БМП и минометы и "Грады", пока в них была необходимость. Ну а эти "патриоты" могут хоть волосы на пятой точке у себя и своего "боевого" товарища вырвать их спрашивать никто не будет чем и кого вооружать.
                  2. hohkn
                    hohkn 10 May 2020 19: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: clerk
                    anti-terrorist units and operational brigades of the FSVNG received jet flamethrowers!

                    So they have RPO-A. And for a long time, since the time of the subordination of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the North Caucasus use.
            2. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 10 May 2020 21: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Tagil
              Я прекрасно догадываюсь каким подразделениям достанется это оружие и для чего. Может вы сначала прочитаете кому и на что я в таком "ключе" ответил прежде чем вот так наскакивать сразу.

              очень готов послушать про "антитерристические" подразделения в НАЦГВАРДИИ )))
              opened beer, stocked up with popcorn - I'm listening;)
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              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 11 May 2020 12: 40 New
                -1
                Quote: Corona without virus
                очень готов послушать про "антитерристические" подразделения в НАЦГВАРДИИ )))

                And what, 604 CSN has ceased to be anti-terror?
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 11 May 2020 14: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  очень готов послушать про "антитерристические" подразделения в НАЦГВАРДИИ )))

                  And what, 604 CSN has ceased to be anti-terror?

                  Can you read? )) 604 CSN - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs - and I asked about the National Guard units)
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 11 May 2020 16: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    Can you read? )) 604 CSN - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs - and I asked about the National Guard units)

                    So there is no more the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation. Renamed them to the National Guard.
                    Accordingly, everything that used to be anti-terrorism in the Ministry of Internal Affairs has become the same anti-terrorism, but already under the guise of NG.
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 11 May 2020 20: 40 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      Can you read? )) 604 CSN - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs - and I asked about the National Guard units)

                      So there is no more the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation. Renamed them to the National Guard.
                      Accordingly, everything that used to be anti-terrorism in the Ministry of Internal Affairs has become the same anti-terrorism, but already under the guise of NG.

                      Совсем тогда уже "на пальцах" спрашиваю - какие антиррористические подразделения были созданы с нуля при создании Росгвардии??? ))
                      1. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 12 May 2020 13: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        Совсем тогда уже "на пальцах" спрашиваю - какие антиррористические подразделения были созданы с нуля при создании Росгвардии??? ))

                        С нуля - никакие. Ибо всё "создание РГ" заключалось в выделении части структур из МВД (в первую очередь - ВВ) и переименовании их в Нацгвардию. Этакий ребрендинг ВВ. smile
            3. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 11 May 2020 12: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Tagil
              I know very well what units this weapon will get and for what.

              Given that grenades must be delivered to Balashikha, there is only one candidate for them - the only division left in the BB / WG.
              1. tagil
                tagil 11 May 2020 15: 09 New
                +2
                Maybe. But since it is forbidden to use RGN as well as the Russian Geographical Society for educational purposes, it is most likely a replacement in the warehouses of old grenades.
        2. opus
          opus 10 May 2020 18: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: Tagil
          . In general, do not you think that you are carrying wild stupidity?

          here is what I read - it seems like a nonsense.
          And in my post I discovered it.
          Can you help?
          1. tagil
            tagil 10 May 2020 20: 18 New
            -1
            I will help.
            are preparing
            для них "деньги есть, не держитесь тут, всего хорошего вам"
            Probably they are preparing according to your version to shoot people, but whoever crawls into the basements will throw grenades. Or do you see your statement differently? Then state your thoughts clearly so that there is no double interpretation of your words.
            1. opus
              opus 11 May 2020 18: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Tagil
              Probably they are preparing according to your version to shoot people, but whoever crawls into the basements will throw grenades

              and why did they once run after the people and give him forcibly: money, potatoes and bread?
              Yes, of course, if they are dissatisfied.
              It was like this under the tsar and under the communists, it was like that under Yeltsin, and now it will be like that.
              grenades are a mystery to me, much less.
              Military operations are not carried out only if you defend the palace of Amin, the Winter Palace.

              Quote: Tagil
              Then state your thoughts clearly so that there is no double interpretation of your words.

              I state as I can. Not everyone is as smart as you are.
              God won’t equalize the trees in the forest in height, but you want me to be at the other stage of development with you. It doesn’t!
              1. tagil
                tagil 11 May 2020 19: 42 New
                +2
                Yes, of course, if they are dissatisfied.
                It was like this under the tsar and under the communists, it was like that under Yeltsin, and now it will be like that.
                Yeah. I have no more questions. None.
              2. maratkoRuEkb
                maratkoRuEkb 22 May 2020 13: 27 New
                0
                на вашу цитату "гранаты для меня загадка, таком количестве тем паче.
                Войсковые операции не проводят" отвечу, Росгвардия занимается охраной особоважных объектов (например атомная электростанция,, хранилища склады различной степени опасности) в охране таких объектов бойцам выдают в том числе гранаты. Ну и плюс на Кавказе антитеррористические операции проходят периодически.
      3. Sasha Minakov
        Sasha Minakov 10 May 2020 17: 29 New
        -5
        how are you like you got. whiners and eternal beggars.
        1. opus
          opus 10 May 2020 19: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Sasha Minakov
          how are you like you got. whiners and eternal beggars.

          how did you get (either stupid s or bought kremleboty), and at the expense of the poor, your idol vysis gave

          / drink less even on self-isolation /
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 10 May 2020 19: 51 New
            -1
            Well, then why is this itself ... Needless ... Isolation? Hic ...
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        2. Revival
          Revival 10 May 2020 19: 27 New
          -1
          Yes, we know your position.
          Masha has clearly chewed everything about the boyars and slaves
          1. opus
            opus 11 May 2020 18: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Revival
            Yes, we know your position.

            просветите, а то я и сам -не в курсе про мою "позицию"
            Quote: Revival
            Self-isolation? Hic ...

            but I don’t know what this is.
            1. Revival
              Revival 11 May 2020 21: 43 New
              -2
              About the second citation in the comment, you messed up something
              1. opus
                opus 12 May 2020 12: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Revival
                About the second citation in the comment, you messed up something

                maybe. nakosyachil apologize
                this is probably this
                Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                Self-isolation? Hic ...
    3. smart fellow
      smart fellow 10 May 2020 23: 36 New
      -1
      Because they cannot produce AK-12 on an industrial scale. Even a few thousand pieces a year.
  2. V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 10 May 2020 12: 41 New
    0
    It would be cheaper to buy this kit and install the forces of gunsmiths. Ak-74 is full in warehouses. Instead of the Ak-205, it was necessary to buy AM-17. It’s certainly better .... And, as usual, the whole point is to use the budget and no gain in efficiency ... The Ak-74 with the receiver cover (with trims for sight) from Fab Defense is much better, the Ak-200. .....
    1. tagil
      tagil 10 May 2020 16: 29 New
      +2
      And you do not think that this is a full-time replacement of weapons that have exhausted their resources and gone for remelting.
  3. = VolodeY =
    = VolodeY = 10 May 2020 13: 03 New
    -6
    Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 10 May 2020 13: 19 New
      0
      Quote: = VolodeY =
      Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

      Go to the doctor and drink a pill, or you’ll die a fool.
      1. Clerk
        Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: pv1005
        Quote: = VolodeY =
        Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

        Alas, this is not being treated.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 10 May 2020 13: 38 New
        -8
        Only the grave will correct such.
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    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 10 May 2020 13: 35 New
      -3
      Quote: = VolodeY =
      Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

      Demonstrations and batons with gas accelerate with a bang, they are preparing for riots and urge the overthrow of power
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 May 2020 14: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: = VolodeY =
      Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

      Navalnenok preoccupied, or what? Do not go to the Lechina assembly and you will be happy.
      1. Revival
        Revival 10 May 2020 14: 58 New
        +3
        Do not go
        Do not say
        Approve
        Know your place
        And you will be happy, right?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 10 May 2020 15: 44 New
          -4
          Quote: Revival
          Do not go
          Do not say
          Approve
          Know your place
          And you will be happy, right?

          Follow the methods that are legal to you if you don’t like something.
          1. Revival
            Revival 10 May 2020 15: 46 New
            +9
            So all methods are prohibited!
            What methods?
            Everything is prohibited and only with permission.
            Criticism of an official only with the permission of the official, well, just a class!
          2. Revival
            Revival 10 May 2020 15: 58 New
            +7
            So what are the current legal methods, please, which are available to the citizen
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 10 May 2020 17: 20 New
              -3
              Get official permissions for all kinds of mass actions and no one will drive you.
              1. Revival
                Revival 10 May 2020 19: 05 New
                +4
                Get permission from the one I want to criticize?
                It is logical of course ...
                And if he himself is expected to refuse me then what?
          3. Revival
            Revival 10 May 2020 19: 07 New
            +4
            Legal rally method.
            The rally forbids the one against whom the rally is going. AND? What?
            What is another legal method at the impasse of specially created laws?
        2. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 18: 16 New
          -3
          Quote: Revival
          Do not go
          Do not say.
          Approve.
          Know your place

          What is the problem then?
          Walk.
          Speak.
          Do not approve.
          Do not know your place.
          And you will be happy.
          And most importantly: do not complain later. wassat
          1. Revival
            Revival 10 May 2020 19: 04 New
            0
            That is, you openly write down the police state and advocate for this?
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 19: 30 New
              -4
              Everything is good in moderation.
              США, говорят знающие люди, -"полицейское" государство в энной степени. В Германии, по слухам, - Ваших единомышленников "ходящих, говорящих, неодобряющих" прессуют нынче по полной. Во Франции прессовали давеча опять же...
              What are you calling for? To anarchy? Do you only hope to lead? Be afraid of your desires ...
              1. Revival
                Revival 10 May 2020 19: 35 New
                -1
                I am not calling for anything.

                They always vote that in the United States they’ll shoot for a plastic cup, not that everything is soft with us.

                Here, for example,
                (Russian newspaper May 1, 2020) In Michigan, quarantine protesters seize the local capitol
                Несколько сотен жителей американского штата Мичиган захватили местный капитолий в знак протеста против введенного властями карантина, передает The Guardian. Как сообщается, среди собравшихся были замечены люди с оружием.".
                People with weapons captured the capitol without opposition.
                Trump called on the governor to make concessions to the protesters.
                What do you think, an agreed rally?
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 19: 41 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Revival
                  I am not calling for anything.

                  Then what is the bazaar about?
                  According to the founder of VKontakte, Pavel Durov, the United States is a tough police state, which is the leader in terms of the number of people in prison.

                  В самом деле думаете, что "протестующим" это всё позже не аукнется?
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 10 May 2020 19: 45 New
                    -3
                    When he comes around then we'll see, but for now they wanted to and went out.
                    Imagine such a meeting with us and oh God, without permission?
                    And this also comes around?
                    Do you think it’s possible here for the judge to make a decision like this? Yeah ...
                    (Russian newspaper 28.04.2020 12:02).
                    Shooting ranges in the US opened contrary to quarantine
                    A group of activists for the right to use weapons in the US in a judicial proceeding has opened shooting ranges in spite of the quarantine introduced in the country. According to The Hill, previously firearms in Virginia sued the local governor, who banned all non-vital enterprises, including shooting galleries, during the coronavirus epidemic.
                    The defendant was the head of Virginia Democrat Ralph Northam. Its plaintiffs accused of violating their constitutional rights and won this process.
                    В соответствии с озвученным накануне решением окружного судьи штата, стрельбища Вирджинии отныне будут работать даже в период пандемии COVID-19, поскольку местные власти не могут нарушать базовые права американских граждан. В частности, речь идет о гарантирующей право на оружие гражданам США второй поправке к конституции страны.".
                    1. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 19: 52 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Revival
                      When he comes around then we'll see, but for now they wanted to and went out.

                      Пустое из серии "А баба Яга - против".
                      The state is a political form of organization of a society in a certain territory, a political-territorial sovereign organization of public authority,
                      possessing an apparatus of control and coercion, which subordinates the entire population of the country
                      .

                      So it was and it will be so. Everywhere and always. The rest is an empty chatter, possible in a well-fed and peaceful environment.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 10 May 2020 20: 05 New
                        0
                        I already understood that you have nothing to say
                      2. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 20: 05 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Revival
                        I already understood that you have nothing to say

                        You just don’t hear.
              2. your1970
                your1970 11 May 2020 13: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: Revival
                Несколько сотен жителей американского штата Мичиган захватили местный капитолий в знак протеста против введенного властями карантина, передает The Guardian. Как сообщается, среди собравшихся были замечены люди с оружием.".
                People with weapons captured the capitol without opposition.

                under US case law in Michigan, citizens have the right to enter the local government with weapons - but nothing more. In fact - they went to a permitted place, stood there and slowly left ....
                Governor NOT accepted the proposals and NOT made concessions ....scored на вооруженных людей типа "ворвавшихся в Капитолий"...
                It’s easier for you because the rallies there are unauthorized and with weapons - if the US authorities spit on them? !!!
            2. Revival
              Revival 10 May 2020 19: 35 New
              +3
              In France, they beat up before the abolition of pension reform
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 19: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: Revival
                In France, they beat up before the abolition of pension reform

                And yet.
                Canceled one, drag the other.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 10 May 2020 19: 47 New
                  +2
                  But we definitely haven’t been canceled.
                  But whether it is dragged there or not is not yet known, but it is clearly visible that this was canceled!
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 19: 54 New
                    -5
                    Quote: Revival
                    But whether it is dragged there or not is not yet known, but it is clearly visible that this was canceled!

                    Прям так и "чётко"?
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 10 May 2020 20: 05 New
                      0
                      Why this empty comment, nothing to say?
                    2. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 20: 09 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Revival
                      Why this empty comment, nothing to say?

                      I think brevity is the sister of talent.
                      Чего там Вам "чётко" видно?
                  2. Revival
                    Revival 10 May 2020 20: 08 New
                    +2
                    Yes, it’s clear and indisputable, we haven’t been canceled
                  3. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 20: 17 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Revival
                    Yes, clearly and clearly

                    The power will change rhetoric, it will achieve its goal. Anyway.
                    Quote: Revival
                    we have not been canceled

                    They will always be dissatisfied. Anyway.
                    WG or its possible analogue (and it will be mandatory) need to be canceled? To protest the crowd taxied?
                  4. Revival
                    Revival 10 May 2020 20: 19 New
                    +3
                    Угу, процентов 90 против пенсионной реформы, это те самые "всегда недовольные будут" ?
                  5. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 20: 21 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Revival
                    Yeah, 90 percent against pension reform

                    Where is the droushka?
                    Quote: Revival
                    I am not calling for anything.

                    Or do you call?
                    Sound
                    Quote: Revival
                    straight clearly and indisputably
                    ?
                  6. Revival
                    Revival 10 May 2020 20: 24 New
                    0
                    Do you deny elementary things?
                    Do you think that the overwhelming majority of the pension reform was?
                    Even Putin admitted in the final speech, signing that yes people are against, but please treat with understanding ...

                    And where did you see the call?
                    Or do you think about appeals and spread it to others?)
                  7. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 20: 42 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Revival
                    Do you think that the overwhelming majority of the pension reform was?

                    I believe that the vast majority did not care.
                    Quote: Revival
                    And where did you see the call?

                    The fact of the matter is that it is not clear what you are seeking.
                    Quote: Revival
                    I am not calling for anything.

                    Quote: Revival
                    That is, you openly write down the police state and advocate for this?

                    За что ратуете Вы? Про "откровенно полицейское государство" уже сказано. При нём Вы молчали бы и ходили строем.
                    Quote: Revival
                    Get permission from the one I want to criticize?
                    It is logical of course ...
                    And if he himself is expected to refuse me then what?

                    Логично. Общепринятая практика. Отказывают? Только если протесты мешают остальным. Выделили место? Бузите на здоровье. Но ведь нужно не это. Нужен скандал и шумиха. Потому и плющить "свободолюбивых" приходится. А заодно и примкнувший мусор, желающий под шумок побеспредельничать. Если у власти не хватает сил, получаем то, что, на пример, на Украине нынче происходит. За то ли "на майдане стояли"? Стоило оно того? Для кого старались?
  • Korax71
    Korax71 10 May 2020 21: 59 New
    +2
    Strange. And in our country every rallies ends in riots, arson, pogroms and broken heads and faces of security officials? It’s not correct to compare a little. The same mattresses not so long ago had an action against making amendments to the 2nd amendment, so there the people with trunks and equipped came out and no one shot, and the people heard power request
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    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 22: 30 New
      -3
      Quote: Korax71
      Strange. And in our country every rallies ends in riots, arson, pogroms and broken heads and faces of security officials?

      Of course not. And thank God! But this does not mean that the WG or other profiled structure is not needed. Or not needed, though?
      Quote: Korax71
      there the people with trunks and equipped came out and no one shot anyone, and the people heard power

      В США власть принципиально не идёт на переговоры с террористами. А вооружённый антивластный протест - терроризм. Это только в Сирии существование "вооружённой оппозиции" допускается, по известным причинам. Да и "вооружён и экипирован" народ был только для маскарада. Никто стрельбу бы не начал - иначе хана настала бы всем без разбору. Сразу. Поэтому про это - не надо. Та же история с «Маунт Кармел» вопиет. Кстати, неизвестно, чем там всё ещё аукнется. Прецедент должен быть купирован. Иначе сначала за поправку, трясти стволами вышли, потом, когда понравится, за перенос светофора пойдут. Весело веселье было, тяжело похмелиться придётся.
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 19: 29 New
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    That's right, so as they say do not complain later, this is such a universal advice that a lot of people can do it
  • pv1005
    pv1005 10 May 2020 18: 49 New
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    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: = VolodeY =
    Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

    Navalnenok preoccupied, or what? Do not go to the Lechina assembly and you will be happy.

    I look at the site more and more liberals minusers becomes.
  • tagil
    tagil 10 May 2020 16: 32 New
    +2
    Do not disperse but shoot and throw grenades (new). We have already dispersed so many demonstrations so that the trunks of old machine guns have melted. Burn esche.
  • naburkin
    naburkin 10 May 2020 13: 15 New
    +7
    It turns out 56 apiece. Not expensive for wholesale?
    1. Altona
      Altona 10 May 2020 13: 33 New
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      Quote: naburkin
      It turns out 56 apiece. Not expensive for wholesale?

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      Распил ещё никто не отменял. "Высокодуховный" должен же на что-то жить, не только на капусте и шевронах. Хотя в нынешнем долларе по курсу это ерунда. Но себестоимость вряд ли превышает тысяч 5-7.
      1. Clerk
        Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 38 New
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        Quote: Altona
        Распил ещё никто не отменял. "Высокодуховный" должен же на что-то жить, не только на капусте и шевронах

        Well, what an article about FSVNG can’t do without another fan attack!
        1. Altona
          Altona 10 May 2020 13: 46 New
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          Quote: clerk
          Well, what an article about FSVNG can’t do without another fan attack!

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          И таких же "защитников" полицейщины и произвола с такими же субстантивными доводами.
          1. Clerk
            Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 49 New
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            Quote: Altona
            И таких же "защитников" полицейщины и произвола

            Well, come on, tell me what police are and arbitrariness. I think if we really had police power, then you wouldn’t have written such comments so simply, and you would have been left at your address a long time ago.
            1. Altona
              Altona 10 May 2020 13: 49 New
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              Quote: clerk
              Well, come on, tell me what police are and arbitrariness.

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              Please do not poke me, I live more and know you too. Read the Constitution first and the Police Law, the Russian Guard has an analogue. And to dress in a suit of the Sobrovtsa and citizens to sprinkle without introducing themselves, and I can.
              1. Clerk
                Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 51 New
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                Спорно что поболее меня - вы по тону походите на очередного истеричного юношу бледного со взором горящим, которому неполживые со всем просторов бескрайнего Рунета "раскрыли глаза на реальность".
                1. Altona
                  Altona 10 May 2020 13: 52 New
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                  Quote: clerk
                  Спорно что поболее меня - вы по тону походите на очередного истеричного юношу бледного со взором горящим, которому неполживые со всем просторов бескрайнего Рунета "раскрыли глаза на реальность".

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                  Мне 51 год, к вашему сведению. Так что умерьте свой тон. Тоже мне "защитник" Родины.
                  1. Clerk
                    Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 54 New
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                    And I’m 57 and I am the heir to the Korolev blood! Here everyone about himself can unsubstantially write anything about himself.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 10 May 2020 13: 55 New
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                      Quote: clerk
                      And I’m 57 and I am the heir to the Korolev blood! Here everyone about himself can unsubstantially write anything about himself.

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                      Well, sit there, heir. I told you my real personal data. And nobody gave you the right to judge others, much less poke.
                      1. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 57 New
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                        Well, you stick on the road! Well, especially since no one gave you the right to reproach others with illegal actions!
              2. Clerk
                Clerk 10 May 2020 13: 55 New
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                Quote: Altona
                Rosguard has an analogue

                It is interesting to know which one?

                Quote: Altona
                And to dress in a suit of the Sobrovtsa and citizens to sprinkle without introducing themselves, and I can.

                Give an example. Prove that it was precisely the Sobrovets, and not a compromiser dressed as a camera player.

                Quote: Altona
                Read the Constitution first and the Police Act,

                Read about the responsibilities of the FSVNG first, about agreed and non-agreed rallies.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 10 May 2020 13: 57 New
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                  Quote: clerk
                  Read about the responsibilities of the FSVNG first, about agreed and non-agreed rallies.

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                  Нет понятия "несогласованные митинги". У граждан есть право собраться мирно и без оружия по Конституции. Обязанностей винтить и бить граждан у Росгвардии нет. Ерунду не пишите. Доказывать вам "писарь" я ничего не обязан, вы не судья и не прокурор, инфу сами найдете. Так что идите лесом и читайте законы.
                  1. Clerk
                    Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 02 New
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                    Quote: Altona
                    Нет понятия "несогласованные митинги". У граждан есть право собраться мирно и без оружия по Конституции.

                    And if at the same time they block roads - i.e. they do not allow fire engines to get to the place of fire, and ambulances to the sick? And if at the same time they burn and spoil the property of citizens - break windows, turn cars over? If they disturb the peace of citizens at night? Is that why the rallies should be coordinated with the local municipal authorities?

                    Quote: Altona
                    Rosguard has no obligations to screw and beat citizens

                    It is their responsibility to ensure the rule of law. And if some create provocations, riots and commit unlawful acts, then they will be screwed and beaten.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 10 May 2020 14: 07 New
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                      Quote: clerk
                      And if they block roads, i.e. Do not allow fire engines to get to the place of fire - fast - to the sick? And if at the same time they burn and spoil the property of citizens - break windows, turn cars over?

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                      Не было такого, тем более если "жгут и портят собственность граждан", а вот беспредел гвардейцев был. Такое было в 2002 году, когда на Манежке молодежь учинила такие беспорядки, сборная России проиграла Японии, и тут же приняли под шумок закон об экстремизме. Стыдно не знать такое. А то,что в прошлом году были выступления в Москве на выборах в Мосгордуму, то там гвардейцы проявили себя во всей красе. Так что не подменяйте понятия глупыми доводами. Даже если граждане придерживаются неправильных на ваш взгляд убеждений-это не дает вам права ограничивать их права и разжигать социальную рознь. В 57 лет надо бы покрепче память иметь и тем более уметь сравнивать события.
                      1. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 11 New
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                        Quote: Altona
                        Не было такого, тем более если "жгут и портят собственность граждан", а вот беспредел гвардейцев был

                        Может стоит напомнить вам о события 93-его в Москве, когда т.н. "мирная демонстрация" КПРФ на Садовом кольце смяла подразделения ВВ МВД и милиции, а потом овладев их оружием и грузовиками отправилась штурмовать Останкинский телецентр?

                        Quote: Altona
                        And the fact that last year there were performances in Moscow at the elections to the Moscow City Duma, then the guards showed themselves in all their glory.

                        This is when most of the protesters had passports unbroken? lol

                        Quote: Altona
                        Even if citizens hold wrong beliefs in your opinion, this does not give you the right to restrict their rights and incite social discord

                        Well, no matter what citizens are not dissatisfied with - no one gives them the right to violate the law and order.
                      2. Altona
                        Altona 10 May 2020 14: 14 New
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                        Quote: clerk
                        Может стоит напомнить вам о события 93-его в Москве, когда т.н. "мирная демонстрация" КПРФ на Садовом кольце смяла подразделения ВВ МВД и милиции, а потом овладев их оружием и грузовиками отправилась штурмовать Останкинский телецентр?

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                        Так с этого и надо было начинать, что вы - поклонник фашизма. До свидания, господин пригожинский бот. В том же 1993 году "мирно" расстреляли Белый дом из танков. Это в ваших оценках видимо с другой стороны добра и зла.
                        PS Present your passports unbroken, otherwise it’s not the case, you are inciting social and now ethnic hatred.
                        PPS Law and order does not mean protecting the interests of the richest members of society.
                      3. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 19 New
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                        Quote: Altona
                        So it was necessary to start from this that you are a fan of fascism. Goodbye, Mr. Prigozhinsky bot.

                        Why would it suddenly be fascism? Fascism was in the Supreme Soviet - there was such a gathering of radical communists, a military junta and nationalists!

                        Quote: Altona
                        В том же 1993 году "мирно" расстреляли Белый дом из танков

                        Well, it was not necessary at first to arrange unrest throughout Moscow, attack law enforcement officers, seize the city hall and take everyone hostage in it and fire at the Ostankino with a grenade launcher. And then they were given change - now they complain!

                        Quote: Altona
                        PS Present your passports unbroken, otherwise it’s not the case, you are inciting social and now ethnic hatred.

                        Yeah, now I’ll ask them to return back to Russia almost six months later and ask for the scans of their passports.

                        Quote: Altona
                        incite social, and now ethnic hatred.

                        Well, yes, yes, your cause is holy, and whoever is against it is that enemy.
                      4. Altona
                        Altona 10 May 2020 14: 26 New
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                        Quote: clerk
                        Well, yes, yes, your cause is holy, and whoever is against it is that enemy.

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                        Of course, you justify the events of 2002 unconditionally when drunken youth smashed the center of Moscow with impunity. Where were all these vaunted right guards? I judge simply by their actions in either case. Where these actions were justified, and where there was simply arbitrariness. No one disputes the powers of the right of guards if they are applied in accordance with the law, and not by oral order to violate the norms of the law. That's all. If the society does not have social regulators and dialogue with feedback, then the machine and bayonets will not help. This was shown both in 1917 and 1991.
                      5. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 34 New
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                        Quote: Altona
                        Of course, you justify the events of 2002 unconditionally when drunken youth smashed the center of Moscow with impunity. Where were all these vaunted right guards?

                        Oddly enough, they were engaged in ending the riots.

                        Quote: Altona
                        No one disputes the powers of the right of guards if they are applied in accordance with the law, and not by oral order to violate the norms of the law.

                        What are some known cases of violations of the law during the cessation of unrest?
                      6. Revival
                        Revival 10 May 2020 15: 13 New
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                        But these:
                        The most sensational
                        1. Beat the woman in the stomach straight at the camera.
                        2. Grabbed a man on a run, broke his leg. They lied that they had detained during the rally, but damn it, the cameras were let down, it turned out that the rally had not yet been.
                        Has anyone been punished?
                        For injuries, excess, false testimony in court !?
                        No! None!
                      7. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 15: 30 New
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                        Quote: Revival
                        1. Beat the woman in the stomach straight at the camera.

                        Опять вы с этим постановочным фото носитесь как со святыми скрижалями. Знаем мы все эти случаи, когда рядом ошивается фотограф, а провокатор подходит к гвардейцам - либо катит на них бочку, либо падает им на руки или под ноги - вот тебе и фото "злодеяний кровавого режима"!

                        Quote: Revival
                        2. Grabbed a man on a run, broke his leg. They lied that they had detained during the rally, but damn it, the cameras were let down, it turned out that the rally had not yet been.

                        And why did he hang around and take pictures of their equipment? Who gave him the right to shoot? Nothing that the object was guarded? And about the fracture, he has already filed a lawsuit.
                      8. Revival
                        Revival 10 May 2020 15: 34 New
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                        And do you think that the National Guard is in agreement with the photographer? Do they work together? Or do they have the right not to restrain themselves and beat a woman with a causeless cause?
                        2. The fact that he photographed the technique themselves invented?
                        And what kind of photo can you even break your legs?
                        3. So when they answer for lies, the court first claimed that they had detained him during the rally.
                        Who was punished for false testimony?
                      9. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 15: 48 New
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                        Quote: Revival
                        And do you think that the National Guard is in agreement with the photographer?

                        No, I’m more than convinced that the guardsmen are not unaware of a contract with the photographer, and they don’t even suspect that they can be approached by another provocateur who will be naughty or rush into his arms / legs - and somewhere nearby a photographer waiting for this, who was ordered to photograph how guardsmen illegally beat / detain an innocent citizen.

                        Quote: Revival
                        2. The fact that he photographed the technique themselves invented?
                        And what kind of photo can you even break your legs?

                        В интернете много статей на эту тему. Занимался пробежкой, остановился у мэрии, начал фоткать гвардейцев и их технику, а как нафоткался вдоволь - то побежал. Естественно что они его в таком случае задержали. Ногу повредили ему непреднамеренно - просто когда его повалили на землю то не заметили что под ногой у него бордюр. Не рассчитали немного место его "приземления". Но даже и в этом случае пострадавший уже подготовил иск.

                        Quote: Revival
                        . So when they answer for lies, the court first claimed that they had detained him during the rally.

                        A link to the resource approving this please!
                      10. Revival
                        Revival 10 May 2020 15: 54 New
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                        1.
                        That is, when striking a woman’s stomach, the employee simply didn’t take into account that this would be filmed, and that's okay, right?
                        Do you just need to beat with care so that no one sees? You can beat her right-winger in the stomach, right?
                        2. Well, let's start in order, please discard the fact of photographing the equipment, please
                      11. Clerk
                        Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 23 New
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                        Quote: Revival
                        That is, when striking a woman’s stomach, the employee simply didn’t take into account that this would be filmed, and that's okay, right?

                        And why did you get the idea that he beat her? Maybe she just leaned in front of him at the moment when he took a step forward. And by the way, where is this very photograph - I can’t find it in Yandex to see it.

                        Quote: Revival
                        2. Well, let's start in order, please discard the fact of photographing the equipment, please

                        Lord, this designer himself in all his interviews to all online publications says so - even in the opposition media! Here is an example:
                        https://ovdinfo.org/stories/2019/07/28/zachem-ubegal-avtoru-logotipa-moskovskogo-metro-slomali-nogu-pered-akciey-u-merii
                      12. Revival
                        Revival 10 May 2020 18: 51 New
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                        You really don’t slide like that, or else it’s funny and uninteresting.
                        The whole country discussed the video with a blow to a woman’s stomach!
                        Weakly you are somehow trying to get away from an uncomfortable question.
                        2. I already made a decision, I repeat: even if I took a picture of an autosack on the street, what law is it prohibited?
                        Is it so delayed for this that you can even break your leg without notice, what is such a huge danger from the photo?
              3. Korax71
                Korax71 10 May 2020 16: 47 New
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                Я так понимаю ты яростно защищаешь НГ,т.к.в рядах ее состоишь?право на фото&видео съёмку закреплено ща гражданином законодательно ч.4,статьи 29 конституции РФ.несение службы сотрудником НГ службы в общественном месте не входит в перечень сведений,составляющих гос. тайну.очень плохо,когда блюстители закона этот самый закон либо не знают,либо откровенно нарушают,что является превышением должностных полномочий.
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              5. Korax71
                Korax71 10 May 2020 17: 15 New
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                Well, so the sun in your hut gooda question about something else. you are trying to whitewash and acquit NG employees. I wrote to you above in the commentary on the basis of which they do not prohibit photo-video shooting. because often they don’t really know their rights and obligations — an unfortunate fact that speaks about the methodology selection of personnel. Attempts to justify this by caring for the safety of citizens look very poor.
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              7. Revival
                Revival 10 May 2020 19: 00 New
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                That is, you don’t remember what you write about this runner or do you expose the employees of his detainees with oaks?

                "Насколько я знаю, его задержали не столько за съёмку, а сколько по статье 20.2 КоАП РФ. Съёмкой и бегом он только привлёк внимание к себе.".

                Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 20.2. Violation of the established procedure for organizing or holding a meeting, rally, demonstration, procession or picket
                1. Violation by the organizer ...

                That is, he attracted attention and was credited to the organizers of the rally in violation of the rules for holding it even before the rally began !? Oh how!
                Well then, of course, everything is legal, right?

                That is, the runner is not where necessary.
                When it’s not, then shooting is something that is not necessary.
                And detained as the organizer of the rally violating the rules of his providence !!! )))
                Or is he also an Argentinean Polish spy?

                Do you catch the logic? Or is it secret?
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              9. Revival
                Revival 10 May 2020 20: 17 New
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                Well, it’s clear, that is, they were detained just in case, everyone who did not like, about not around, but anywhere.
                Well, that's for sure then everything is according to the law.
                Hold the guys all in the morning, run around, you know, somehow suspiciously
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          4. Revival
            Revival 10 May 2020 22: 54 New
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            Который еще и не начался, за типа "а нехрен здесь бегать"?
            An interesting reason, legal, right?
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          6. Revival
            Revival 11 May 2020 01: 05 New
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            That is, in your opinion, in this case it never began and never ended?))
  • Korax71
    Korax71 10 May 2020 19: 19 New
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    [/ quote] And why did he hang out there and take pictures of their equipment? Who gave him the right to shoot? Nothing that the object was guarded? And about the fracture, he has already filed a lawsuit. [Quote]

    Well these are not my words ???? The fact that you are now trying once again to shield incompetent comrades and to bring here an article of the Code of Administrative Offenses imputed to a person, and the proceedings in this case were carried out with a huge number of violations, as well as the process of detention. NG employee, it’s not very likely that they would threaten their life and health.
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  • Korax71
    Korax71 10 May 2020 21: 05 New
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    Вы же прекрасно понимаете в каких случаях возможно силовое задержание и один из них попытка нанесение вреда здоровью сотруднику.в остальных же случаях, давайте будем честны,силовые методы задержания-явный перебор.как бы таки две большие разницы,когда в сотрудников летят камни,жгут машины,бьют остекление и,выкрикнутое слово, "позор",либо какое-то другое выражение,тем более,что сами сотрудники правопорядка на таких мероприятиях в выражениях не стесняются.
    [/ quote] In fact, by his actions, he simply looked from the side of the guards as one of the protesters. [quote]
    laughing good according to your logic, if I am of a large physique, without a mamma, with a face overgrown, I am a potential client for detention on charges of terrorism or banditry? don’t you think that in that situation, if the employee thought, then you should first make sure that the suspicions are justified? This wording can also be used to detain a granny in a market with a bunch of greenery grown in a garden on suspicion of spying for a mattress. As for the materials of the proceedings, she refused to include recordings from surveillance cameras at the time of detention, the investigator did not interrogate Konovalov at all. Well, should I explain to you that often the court takes the side of the security forces request
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  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 16: 35 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Well, it was not necessary at first to arrange unrest throughout Moscow, attack law enforcement officers, seize the city hall and take everyone hostage in it and fire at the Ostankino with a grenade launcher. And then they were given change - now they complain!

    They didn’t shoot you in the 91st. And the sniper on the roof of the city hall did not sit.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 37 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    They didn’t shoot you in the 91st.

    Who are you?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 16: 38 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Who are you?

    You, champions of democracy and accomplices of Yeltsin.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 46 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    You, champions of democracy and accomplices of Yeltsin.

    It would probably be difficult to shoot almost the whole country and the CIS countries? Would you have enough strength?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 16: 48 New
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    Quote: clerk
    It would probably be difficult to shoot almost the whole country

    Что? С каких это пор Москва стала "всей страной"?
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 58 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Что? С каких это пор Москва стала "всей страной"?

    And since when only Moscow was the champions of democracy and Yeltsin?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 17: 04 New
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    Quote: clerk
    And since when only Moscow was the champions of democracy and Yeltsin?

    Много видели митингов за Ельцина в других городах? Лично в нашем стояло человек двадцать с одним плакатом "Долой ГКЧП!". И всё. Что сделали с референдумом по поводу сохранения СССР? Вспоминайте.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 17: 20 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    What did they do with the referendum on preserving the USSR? Remember.

    По его результат Горбачёв сначала пытался претворить в жизнь проект "Собза Советских Суверенных Республик" - эдакой более мягкой форме СССР дабы удержать республики от выхода из состава. Лидеров республик он не удовлетворил. Он предложил им проект "Союза Суверенных Государств" - по сути конфедерации. Опять он не удовлетворил лидеров республик - они были решительно настроенны на выход из СССР. К тому же свою лепту внесли ГКЧПисты - окончательно добили любое желание сохранять СССР. Помимо этого по этим проектам республики в составе РСФСР становились sovereign republics - like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan. Those. Russia itself would have left horns and legs for the sake of preserving the USSR. And then just a parade of sovereignty, and the communists were removed from power.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Have you seen many rallies for Yeltsin in other cities?

    I won’t say anything for other cities, but from personal communication with people from different places I concluded for myself that the Communists and their supporters can be listed in the Red Book - or taken for compulsory treatment to Kashchenka.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 17: 26 New
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    Quote: clerk
    from personal communication with people from different places I concluded for myself that the Communists and their supporters can be listed in the Red Book - or taken for compulsory treatment to Kashchenka.

    Хорошая у вас демократия, да. Как начинаем выяснять, почему сегодняшнии сторонники власти готовы применить репрессии в отношении других, а Язов не стал этого делать, то тут же маячит вопрос: "А нас за што?"
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 17: 54 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Как начинаем выяснять, почему сегодняшнии сторонники власти готовы применить репрессии в отношении других, а Язов не стал этого делать, то тут же маячит вопрос: "А нас за што?"

    Do you propose living in either Latin America or Ukraine - roughly speaking, to make a coup almost every year? And what is the best cure for dandruff is the guillotine - so what do you think? For an ordinary person, what’s the use of it? Enough, already made conclusions. Especially having seen enough of the color revolutions of the zeros in the CIS, the revolutions in Syria and Libya, the division of Yugoslavia and the coup in Ukraine.
    PS - кого-то в нынешнее время за митинги приговорили к высшей мере наказания - расстрелу? Сейчас что по ночам стучатся в квартиры, забирают на Лубянку, пытают? О каких "репрессиях" вы говорите? Вы вон лучше историю почитайте - как в 19-ом веке во всех странах в таких случаях просто расстреливали митингующих на месте. Про расстрел в Новочеркаске. То как противостоят бузотёрам сейчас - это детский сад.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 18: 01 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Enough, already made conclusions.

    So, in your opinion, the coup of the 91st, 93rd and the collapse of the Union was the only correct one, and all other political meetings and rallies of the opposition are anti-state. I did not expect another.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 39 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    So, in your opinion, the coup of the 91st, 93rd and the collapse of the Union was the only correct one, and all other political meetings and rallies of the opposition are anti-state. I did not expect another.

    I would not call the events of the 91st and 93rd coup. They are a coup according to the version of the Communists. Nobody overthrew and shot them - the people simply followed Yeltsin. This is not what Lenin arranged in the 1917th - there was no terror or civil war.
    The collapse of the Union - perhaps so. If, in order to prolong its existence, it was necessary to cut Russia into separate republics, then maybe the road is there for him?
    And as for the rallies, I will say again that they are agreed upon with the local municipal authorities and not agreed upon. In the first case, they agree on the venue, time, number of protesters, their goals - so that neither the protesters interfere with the life of the settlement, nor the settlement to hold the rally. Well, the inconsistent is when it becomes known only when a crowd has already appeared that interferes with traffic and disturbs citizens (it is quite possible that it even smashes windows, sets fire to and turns over other people's cars and provokes fights)
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 18: 57 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Nobody overthrew and shot them

    Yeah. And from the tanks, they fired at idle. Someone fell out of the window, someone just shot himself. An empty argument. I read somewhere at Barents that the Constitutional Court of the USSR recognized Yeltsin’s actions illegal. Tired of overfilling, I'll go to dinner.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 19: 10 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Yeah. And from the tanks, they fired at idle.

    ... on the upper floors, for psychological pressure, where according to the calculations no one should have been. We would like to purposefully kill - we would have beaten high-explosive and incendiary along the basement and first floors, where all the defenders concentrated.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    The Constitutional Court of the USSR declared Yeltsin’s actions illegal.

    Так оно и есть. КС признал ельцинский указ №1400 не соответствующим конституции. Но тут нужно сделать поправку на то что суд действовал в рамках действовавшей конституции - конституции 78-го года, "Брежневской". А по ней страна являлась советской республикой. Только вот опять таки повторюсь что ни СССР, ни РСФСР уже не было - а была суверенная Российская федерация, которая к тому же являлась presidential republic. In addition, Yeltsin was supported by all the security forces (if you do not take into account the supporters of the Armed Forces among the veterans of Afghanistan, Transnistria and Abkhazia) from the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Security. Therefore, the appearance of the COP flew by. Now, if the RSFSR existed, and the post of president did not exist, then Yeltsin would be tamed.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 27 New
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    Quote: Altona
    PPS Law and order does not mean protecting the interests of the richest members of society.

    Well, once again they started their old song about the oligarchs ... why don’t you say anything about your old party functionaries?
    Since when is the suppression of provocations and incitement of the crowd to unlawful acts in the form of damage to municipal and private property to protect the interests of individuals?
  • Altona
    Altona 10 May 2020 14: 50 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Well, once again they started their old song about the oligarchs ... why don’t you say anything about your old party functionaries?

    ----------------------
    About whom, for example? About Sobyanin? So this is your functionary. He has long surpassed Luzhkov. And his deputies are Baturin.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 15: 41 New
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    Quote: Altona
    About whom, for example? About Sobyanin?

    What do you incriminate him? Do you have material evidence of his crimes on the basis of which you are convinced that he is a thief? So you can haul up to the pillar because it is crooked!
  • V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 10 May 2020 17: 13 New
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    How interesting .. And here is Stalin, Beria. Berry, Yezhov personally killed at least one person ?? But why don’t they like them so much, they call them murderers. But pieces of paper and allegedly verbal orders, so they all slandered them under torture))))) ... And do you think that even if there are material evidence, someone will publish them after Mrs. Vasilyeva? ... ... And now, in your opinion, Serdyukov also not involved in the theft of the Defense Ministry? .... Why then removed the innocent? Urgently, he needs to be returned to the place of the minister! ...... And Kozhgedovich back to the Ministry of Emergencies, otherwise the taiga is on fire. Let it stew)))))
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 17: 23 New
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    Вы не переживайте - есть архивные документы, на которые свои подписи на расстрел ставили Молотов, Микоян, Сталин и прочие. На них много чего есть. Настолько много что они реабилитации не получили. Почитайте хотя бы "Записку А.Н. Яковлева, В.А. Медведева, В.М. Чебрикова, А.И. Лукьянова, Г.П. Разумовского, Б.К. Пуго, В.А. Крючкова, В.И. Болдина, Г.Л. Смирнова в ЦК КПСС «Об антиконституцион-
    ной практике 30–40-х и начала 50-х годов»" от 88-го года - это вам не Медузу читать.

    There will be material evidence on Serdyukovs and others - then we'll talk. And while one grandmother whispered at the entrance to the entrance ...
  • V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 10 May 2020 17: 33 New
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    Notes ??? ..... Well, those who came to power scum the previous ones. This was before the revolution under the kings. And there is after the anti-revolution. Therefore irremovable fears and amends the constitution))
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 34 New
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    This note is a complete document on many pages. Why it is called a note, I do not know. But I can’t bring it in the comments - the site administration will not approve articles in the comments.

    Quote: V.I.P.
    Well, those who came to power scum the previous ones. This was before the revolution under the kings. And there is after the anti-revolution.

    That document is dated the 88th year. Khrushchev condemned Stalin and his minions during the debunking of the personality cult.

    Quote: V.I.P.
    Therefore irremovable fears and amends the constitution))

    Что плохого в той поправке когда те кто не прожил на территории нашей страны 25-ти лет не могут поступит на государственную службу? А в защите традиционных семейных ценностей: когда "папа" - это "папа", а "мама" - это "мама", но никоим образом не "родитель№1" и "родитель№2" с нетрадиционной ориентацией? А в том чтобы больше никому ни на каких основаниях не отдавали наши территории?
  • V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 10 May 2020 20: 18 New
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    These amendments simply mask the main one, for the sake of which everyone started a business and spent zeroing the deadlines. Well, those amendments that complicate impeachment and prosecution of the former president .... And they are obliged to treat children under the current constitution for free !!! Or the authorities do not consider them citizens of the country ???.
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  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 23: 01 New
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    And what, without amendments, will continue to distribute land?
    That is, only amendments will interfere? So again correct as it should
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  • Revival
    Revival 11 May 2020 01: 07 New
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    Yes, it's not me changing it as I want and when I want
  • hohkn
    hohkn 10 May 2020 19: 21 New
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    Quote: Altona
    В том же 1993 году "мирно" расстреляли Белый дом из танков. Это в ваших оценках видимо с другой стороны добра и зла.

    And what does the same SOBR have to do with it, and the rest of the Russian Guard units?
    Расстрел здания Верховного Совета на совести Таманской и Кантемировской дивизий, относящихся к министерству обороны. А из МВД (в ту пору) у здания Верховного Совета был только "Витязь", который штурм здания не осуществлял.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 14 New
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    Quote: clerk
    it does not give you the right to restrict their rights and incite social discord

    There are a number of cases where this is permitted by law. I would like to hear more about social discord!
  • Altona
    Altona 10 May 2020 14: 27 New
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    Quote: clerk
    There are a number of cases where this is permitted by law. I would like to hear more about social discord!

    -------------------------
    Of course, if this law does not suit, then, as Sharapov said in the famous film, you can make a brush out of the law. Yes, I am also not satisfied with the views of the protesters, but nevertheless, this does not justify the use of fascist methods, if about social discord.
    P.S. КПРФ не причастна к событиям 1993 года, про которые вы пишете. Это были выступления анпиловской "Трудовой России". Кроме того, в тот период был вакуум власти, вызванный действиями Ельцина с его новой Конституцией и прочими вещами.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 30 New
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    Quote: Altona
    Of course, if this law does not suit, then, as Sharapov said in the famous film, you can make a brush out of the law.

    Есть категория граждан которые ни в каком виде не приемлют законы - им больше по душе "воровской ход" и "понятия".
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 15: 18 New
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    Yeah, we don’t throw drugs on order ..
    True just once ... publicly
  • Cyrus
    Cyrus 10 May 2020 15: 31 New
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    Well, libshiza ... regularly, what now hang you or what?
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 15: 36 New
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    And so law enforcement can, well then there are no questions
  • sgapich
    sgapich 10 May 2020 22: 01 New
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    Quote: Revival
    ... True, just once ... publicly ...

    Do you mean Golunov?
    My personal opinion: what was discovered during his time belonged to him personally. And for this he had to answer.
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  • Altona
    Altona 10 May 2020 14: 48 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Есть категория граждан, которая не приемлет никаких законов - им по душе их "понятия". Он наверно в отношении этой категории говорил?

    ----------------------
    Когда чеченцы избивают сержанта полиции в московском метро, который заступился за девушку, где у нас Росгвардия? Когда кадыровцы унижают военнослужащих РФ, выставив их у борта грузовика, где у нас Росгвардия? А Росгвардия у нас ведь несогласную "либеральную" молодежь гонять только, которую мы сами вырастили и воспитали. Плохую, хорошую, какую есть. Молодежь, которой нафиг не нужна полицейщина. И насчет "нэзалежной". На Украине провели виртуально мероприятия к 9 Мая, так что не надо тут мне врагов рисовать на пустом месте. У нас своих красновцев и власовцев не один вагон можно до Сибири собрать.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 15: 07 New
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    Quote: Altona
    When Chechens beat a police sergeant in the Moscow metro who interceded for a girl, where is the Russian Guard?

    There was already one such, some kind of boxing champion.

    Quote: Altona
    When the Kadyrovites humiliate the military personnel of the Russian Federation by putting them at the side of the truck, where is the Rosguard?

    They have already started peddling for this.

    Quote: Altona
    А Росгвардия у нас ведь несогласную "либеральную" молодежь гонять только, которую мы сами вырастили и воспитали.

    По вам видно чему вы молодёжь учите - "этот дядя плохой, этот плохой, а я хороший. А теперь иди и побуянь"!

    Quote: Altona
    In Ukraine, virtual events were held by May 9, so I don’t need to draw enemies from scratch here.

    And where I said that there are all our enemies there, in fact, there are pro-Russian minded people.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 14: 55 New
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    Quote: Altona
    КПРФ не причастна к событиям 1993 года, про которые вы пишете. Это были выступления анпиловской "Трудовой России"

    А как же "Единство" - состоящее из представителей КПРФ, фракции "Отчизна" - военщина и коммунисты-радикал, группы депутатов "Россия" во главе с Бабуриным и состоящая из коммунистических и националистических партий? А, ещё и "Аграрный союз" был в "Единстве"!

    Quote: Altona
    In addition, at that time there was a vacuum of power,

    There was a dual power at that time, when not only the USSR, but even the RSFSR disappeared into oblivion - the RF was already there - but the USSR constitution and governing bodies of the RSFSR (House of the Supreme Council) still remained. And they (the Supreme Council) did not like very much that Russia would go further without them.

    Quote: Altona
    this does not justify the use of fascist methods,

    What are you talking about? Did someone cut out pieces of meat from their bodies with crooked daggers or burned their eyes with coals?
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 10 May 2020 16: 04 New
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    This is when most of the protesters had passports unbroken? .You have to say this ... This is darkness ...
    Apparently you have had changes that cannot be cured ....
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 10 New
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    You probably organized access control there?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 16: 33 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Может стоит напомнить вам о события 93-его в Москве, когда т.н. "мирная демонстрация" КПРФ на Садовом кольце смяла подразделения ВВ МВД и милиции, а потом овладев их оружием и грузовиками отправилась штурмовать Останкинский телецентр?

    Can you recall the words of Shoigu that the police in the old square had only four PMs, and therefore he gave out a thousand assault rifles at the request of Gaidar?
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 44 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Can you recall the words of Shoigu that the police in the old square had only four PMs, and therefore he gave out a thousand assault rifles at the request of Gaidar?

    So the fact that the Communists seized the weapons of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by force is normal, in your opinion, and the fact that in response to this, militia supporters of Yeltsin were given weapons - is that bad?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 16: 46 New
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    Quote: clerk
    It means that the Communists took possession of the weapons of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by force.

    Where did you get this from?
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 16: 59 New
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    The trucks of the VV MVD and weapons were seized from the crushed and disarmed police units and the VV MDV from the Garden Ring.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 17: 08 New
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    Quote: clerk
    The trucks of the VV MVD and weapons were seized from the crushed and disarmed police units and the VV MDV from the Garden Ring.

    Weapons were issued directly in the White House, there was its own weapons. Or Shoigu is lying about 4 PMa.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 07 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Weapons were issued directly in the White House, there was its own weapons. Or Shoigu is lying about 4 PMa.

    The trucks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were also in the arms of the Supreme Council building? And RPG-7? But I didn’t know about the weapons in the building itself. However, this alone does not plead with the fact that the Communists were in arms. As well as not pleading the fact that the Communists handed out weapons to those who did not have the right to carry and use them.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 18: 12 New
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    Quote: clerk
    Were the trucks in the arms of the Supreme Council building too?

    Trucks are state owned. The Supreme Council and their supporters considered themselves legitimate authority. About where the RPGs are from - not in the know. If the Supreme Council had won this confrontation, now there would have been completely different alignments.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 26 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Trucks are state owned.

    Грузовики "отжали" у подразделений ВВ МВД с Садового кольца. На них даже их символика была.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    The Supreme Council and their supporters considered themselves legitimate authority.

    Note - the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, which was no longer, but was the Russian Federation. Even the Communist Party was not the Communist Party, namely that the Communist PartyRF.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    If the Supreme Council had won this confrontation, now there would have been completely different alignments.

    Here I agree with you.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 18: 33 New
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    Quote: clerk
    and there was the Russian Federation

    Is it right that the trinity in Belovezhskaya Pushcha dismissed the USSR, spitting on the referendum of the 91st year?
    Quote: clerk
    Грузовики "отжали" у подразделений ВВ МВД с Садового кольца. На них даже их символика была.

    I repeat once again. At that time, the Supreme Council considered itself a legally elected government, so who has deprived anyone of what is a moot point.
  • Clerk
    Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 59 New
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    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Is it lawful that the trinity in Belovezhskaya Pushcha dismissed the USSR, spitting on the referendum of the 91st year

    А кого из лидеров союзных республик волновали результаты референдума 91-го? Более того Горбачёв даже работал по результатам референдума - я вам уже упоминал про "СС_Суверенных_Р" и "ССГ". Только никому это было не нужно. А кому-то - России - и территориально вредно.

    К тому моменту как "троица из Беловежа" подписала свой договор уже почти все республики СССР открыто объявили о своей независимости от него. СССР уже по факту не существовало. Этот договор был своего рода юридически оформленный развод и свидетельство о смерти.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    I repeat once again. At that time, the Supreme Council considered itself a legally elected government, so who has deprived anyone of what is a moot point.

    Well, I’ll also repeat to you that this was a government body of a state that has already been defunct for a couple of years, which, moreover, did not dissolve itself and did not obey the demand for dissolution.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 May 2020 15: 28 New
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    and now the question is, after that, did you see many cases of pogroms from the side you saw?) they suddenly became quiet for many years. As for the right to rally, approx. and now let's imagine that everyone wants to hold rallies anywhere and anytime. I’ve been walking with my daughter when the crowd extras suddenly suddenly for some reason decided that it was cool to walk around the Arbat. Have you seen how they walked there? but I saw it. there is nothing good about it. I had to quickly take the child away so that whatever happens. what about my rights eh? but there are still options. some ki will bring simple explosive packages and panic. what then will the crowd do know? and she can’t be stopped. and what do you think is better to prepare for trouble or then bulging your eyes order to try to restore? and that the funniest thing to happen is that you are on the WG and you will drive the wave. that made it like that.
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 15: 39 New
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    Well, yes, that's right, that's it, under the good pretext of your peace, we will forbid everything, otherwise it will not work.
    But, if suddenly a meeting is approved, then everything is possible, such a meeting is immediately useful.
    Double standards, yes no, of course ...
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 May 2020 16: 08 New
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    who said to ban? there are always civilized options. approve ensure the safety of people and rally even before stupefaction.
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 16: 10 New
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    A rally criticizing the official, only with the permission of the official, but you will give a lot of praise, the golden formula, the main thing is to put it into the law and prohibit everything according to the law.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 May 2020 17: 43 New
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    This is a normal formula. or get vests like in Paris.
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 23: 07 New
    +1
    And of course, to ban everything and normal logic ..
    Well then, there are no questions.
    It’s foolish for us to discuss the rights of people if you deny that people have rights.
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 19: 18 New
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    They always vote that in the United States they’ll shoot for a plastic cup, not that everything is soft with us.

    Here, for example,
    (Russian newspaper May 1, 2020) In Michigan, quarantine protesters seize the local capitol
    Несколько сотен жителей американского штата Мичиган захватили местный капитолий в знак протеста против введенного властями карантина, передает The Guardian. Как сообщается, среди собравшихся были замечены люди с оружием.".
    Trump called on the governor to make concessions to the protesters.
    What do you think, an agreed rally?
    1. Starosta
      Starosta 10 May 2020 19: 57 New
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      What is true is true. In the US, police have the right to open fire to kill if they feel a danger to themselves.

      The USA is a different country with its own laws and culture. Their orders are not applicable to ours.
    2. Revival
      Revival 10 May 2020 23: 08 New
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      Yeah, it’s very convenient to refer loudly only to the retirement age, and how to help people to provide or something like that there is such a mentality there, and it doesn’t suit us at all ...
  • Cyrus
    Cyrus 10 May 2020 15: 29 New
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    No, you can’t, the gut is thin, it’s only capable of carrying nonsense on the Internet, you still haven’t indicated what kind of arbitrariness, which means you are a chatterbox.
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  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 15: 16 New
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    The National Guard, when one name is enough ..
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 14: 59 New
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    Grandchild's welfare must be protected
    1. Cyrus
      Cyrus 10 May 2020 15: 34 New
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      You need to save your remaining brains, otherwise almost everything has already leaked.
      1. Revival
        Revival 10 May 2020 15: 37 New
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        Hi little hamlo, don't be sick
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 10 May 2020 13: 39 New
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    It depends on what, if with a good body kit is normal.
  • gcn
    gcn 10 May 2020 14: 05 New
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    Army military weapons. A set of shops, a cleaning tool, warranty service can add lights, sights, handles, pbs. We don’t know that we bought a bare barrel or a complete body kit for the kit. On a citizen, you buy everything separately and it’s not cheaper.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 10 May 2020 14: 25 New
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    по ОКР "Обвес"

    It’s a very speaking name for this OCD, for some reason, the workers of the counter are immediately remembered.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 May 2020 14: 46 New
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    AK400 IT'S ABOUT WHAT?
    1. Pavlik K.
      Pavlik K. 10 May 2020 20: 40 New
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      USM like ak12, sight-front sight like ak102-105, barrel cover. like aks74u, folding telescope, any sights, grenades.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 10 May 2020 14: 56 New
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    everything secret, sooner or later, becomes apparent .... soon we will find out ...
  • parkello
    parkello 10 May 2020 15: 33 New
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    я наверно выбрал бы под М43 патрон..в обычном ,модернизированногм исполнении.с хорошим ДТК и "бубенцами" на 72 патрона...и такитческую рукоять добавил бы,обязаловка )) .1 магазин на автомате и три на боку и на пузе..и можно идти против кого угодно ...хоть супротив бисив рогатых ..патроны всех типов нужны. я помню тоже набивал ленту и первые 5-7 трассеры напихивал...иногда через одну...когда лента подходила к последним патронам светились трассеры..предупреждали.смени ленту ...а после трех лент полложенно было менять ствол еще. и кароче..кому оно интересно ? как грицо могу идти со своим мнением в одно очень интересное место ...где бывает шило ..и место обнаружения приключений ) yes and much more .. but for something like that in general, I went.))
  • White AK
    White AK 10 May 2020 16: 16 New
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    Why, I put on my ak74m body kit from the anti-aircraft gun, forend and receiver cover, put a scope (pc, rare g), the captain came and forced to take it off, I tried to convince that there were no TTX changes and everything was within the law, but you’re the boss in our army we will not destroy, why should this machine if you put the handle or face make you remove it?
    1. parkello
      parkello 10 May 2020 18: 10 New
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      they cannot force me. and the AKC all that is needed is: the DTK, tactical pen, and the receiver cover, so that you wouldn’t go there, here .. now they put it. and nothing more, by and large, he doesn’t need. request Well, high-capacity stores. at 72 I'm quite happy. 2 tambourines and the rest with carob stores of 30 rounds each. I’ll supplement the rest with a samovodov to the level that I would like. I did not try LTS. Yes, I do not need him. it’s better then a collimator. the main thing is that what ammunition is needed. from sighting, tracing to the MOH and BZT and armor-piercing .. and then mark each store with electrical tape. To know what to fasten .. and it happens. .a the usual two diamonds of 72 and enough .. well, you can still fill a couple or three of 30 and mark with a red ribbon. I on G-3 and on Fn so stuffed. one store of 18 rounds of ammunition was set only and put it deep under the armor plate .. if I find such grenades, it can come in handy. in the rest there are usually cartridges and there was a separate store, striped, there were only armor-piercing ones .. but they often shoot. the trunk into the trash can be uncracked. and who likes AK74 then ..on health ... at least golden. if the soul asks) request
      1. Clerk
        Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 21 New
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        Quote: parkello
        tactical pencil

        What kind of fashion is it like to keep Kalash like a Schmeiser? Kalashnikov himself was against this. Okay, I’ll understand there if the fore-end is nicely pre-shaded that you can strip your hand about it — but why do it on a standard combined arms? This is not a light machine gun that is difficult to keep when firing automatic fire from the hip. Instead of a handle, we just held the machine in a biathlon style - under the store.

        Quote: parkello
        I on G-3 and on Fn so stuffed.

        And where did you serve the fact that you came across HK G3 and FN (FAL? FN2000?). Hopefully not in the computer forces?
        1. parkello
          parkello 10 May 2020 18: 46 New
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          no, not in the computer ... he served in Greece, we have this main weapon after 1954 .. before that the M-1 guarantor was the main one. During the Korean War, all its shortcomings surfaced and as a necessary measure turned out to be FN phalo and G-3A3. and about the tactical handle .. well, you can say it is necessary with large-capacity stores .. the machine becomes heavier. and so if something, then you can rest it with a pen on a stone or a wall .. any emphasis. and if you shoot grenades, then it is necessary. and you do not need to pee your forend before shrinking. either put a bipod or a tactical handle. replace the cover, DTK and nothing else is needed. I shot grants with fn phallo..good thing, like a mortar. You can throw grenades through the house. Or directly into the trench. canopy ... we also have AK. but also as M-1 mainly in the warehouses. cartridges are different. and so you can request, request that would be issued. in this case, the cost of ammunition will have to pay. and provide spent cartridges to get new ones. so no one wants to toil with mura and lie in warehouses. and 308 Vin we have a single cartridge .. that a machine gun that a rifle. other M-1s are slightly longer. 63 mm in length, and the AK shorter, generally 39 m. Therefore, both are stored in warehouses, because there are no cartridges in production. need to purchase.
          1. Clerk
            Clerk 10 May 2020 18: 53 New
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            But do AK and AKM with 7.62x39mm cartridges allow firing with rifle grenades?
            Так что же лучше? "Правая рука свободного мира" или старый добрый "калаш"?
            1. parkello
              parkello 10 May 2020 19: 03 New
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              если зарядить холостой в магазин и с условием,что будет стоять новый ДТК ,заточенный именно для этого ,как у ФН то можно конечно .я видел такие компенсаторы сейчас массово производят ,даже для АК74М . что до правой руки.."свободного" мира,то скажу так...дайте мне любую винтовку ,из которых я уже стрелял...и что там лучше меня мало интересует. ФН очень точная одиночными. Г-3 не такая точная ,но в ней меньше деталей и разбирать ее легче полностью. а АК не настолько мощный как Г-3 . ну патроны разные....лично мне его мощности хватает за глаза. но это я ,я не могу говорить и за других . другим больше по душе 308 и 5.56 . а я мелкашку не признаю. на стрельбах АК пробивал бочку с водой навылет ..причем тому кто сидел за бочкой явно не посчастливилось бы,а М-4 (5,56 мм ) пробивает только с одной стороны с того же расстояния. вот за это я их не люблю..слишком дамский калибр. но он при этом обладает хорошей настильностью и кучностью. только мне они не важны. мне надо что бы автомат потреблял все типы пуль ,и зажигательные и бронебойные..понимаете ? а кому интересн точность,пусть берут маломощные 5,52(45) и 5.56 мм
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  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 May 2020 18: 25 New
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    Quote: Revival
    Do not go
    Do not say
    Approve
    Know your place
    And you will be happy, right?

    You are like Lenin in October. Live peacefully, and that’s it :)
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 May 2020 18: 32 New
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    Quote: Revival
    The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

    He came up with it himself and took care. Rosguard, actually.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 10 May 2020 19: 52 New
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      Finally, the National Guard belay https://rosgvard.ru/не поленитесь перейти по данному адресу и удивитесь:росгвардия-это федеральная служба войск национальной гвардии Российской Федерации.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 10 May 2020 22: 49 New
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        Quote: Korax71
        Finally, the National Guard

        Quote: Revival
        The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

        Из серии: "Слышал звон, да не знает, где он."

        Troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation
        Subordination
        Rosguard (Rosguard is the central command and control body of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (VNG of Russia), created on the basis of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. It refers to state militarized organizations that have the right to acquire military weapons.)
        Includes
        The central office of the VNG of Russia.
        Commands of the districts of the VNG Russia
        - Units and military units of the operational purpose of the VNG of Russia,
        - Special motorized units and military units of the VNG of Russia,
        - Units and military units for the protection of important state facilities and special cargoes of the VNG of Russia,
        - Units and military units of special purpose and intelligence of the VNG of Russia,
        - Aviation military units of the VNG of Russia,
        - Naval military units of the VNG of Russia,
        - Military units and institutions providing the VNG of Russia,
        - Medical facilities of the VNG of Russia,
        - Cultural institutions of the VNG of Russia,
        - Educational institutions of the VNG of Russia.
        Territorial bodies of the VNG of Russia:
        - Special quick reaction units of the VNG of Russia.
        - Mobile special forces of the VNG of Russia.
        - Special Forces Center for Rapid Response and Aviation of the VNG of Russia,
        - Departments of private security of the VNG of Russia,
        - Licensing and permitting units of the VNG of Russia
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 11 May 2020 02: 01 New
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          Bob laughing есть такая штука:Указ Президента Российской Федерации от 30.09.2016 № 510 "О Федеральной службе войск национальной гвардии Российской Федерации".такого понятия как "росгвардия" в нем нет.оно упоминается в положении о ФСВНГ РФ, как второе название.тут уж кому что нравится.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 12 May 2020 14: 37 New
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            Quote: Korax71
            it is mentioned in the regulations on the FSVNG of the Russian Federation, as a second name. then anyone really likes it.

            Exactly.
            In accordance with the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated April 5, 2016 No. 157, the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation (Rosguard) was established.

            The Russian Guard is a federal executive body that exercises the functions of formulating and implementing state policy and legal regulation in the field of activity of the national guard forces of the Russian Federation (further - national guard troops ), in the field of arms trafficking, in the field of private security activities and in the field of private security.

            Типа: Иван Иванович, далее именуемый "Заказчик".
            Но речь не о "заклёпках". Речь о
            Quote: Revival
            The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

            Это что значит? Типа: фу? Или типа: Revival, когда и одного названия хватает? Крикнуть из кустов: "Менты кАзлы" и сломя голову, с замирающим от сладкого ужаса сердцем бежать в схрон за гаражами, хвастаться своим "подвигом" перед такими же "героями"?
            Хоть Рос, хоть Нац, но это - Внутренние Войска. Как ни назови. Они были, есть и будут. У ВСЕХ и ВСЕГДА. Хоть "полицейское" Государство, хоть нет.
    2. Revival
      Revival 10 May 2020 23: 13 New
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      Generally the National Guard.
      Law chtoli take a look, even the name ..
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 May 2020 18: 38 New
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    Quote: Revival
    Well, yes, that's right, that's it, under the good pretext of your peace, we will forbid everything, otherwise it will not work.
    But, if suddenly a meeting is approved, then everything is possible, such a meeting is immediately useful.
    Double standards, yes no, of course ...

    Двойные стандарты у вас. А чего не верещите, что в Германии митингунам по соплям дали "ни за что"?
  • GLUHOI
    GLUHOI 10 May 2020 19: 31 New
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    https://youtu.be/VdxqEyNNlzE
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  • GLUHOI
    GLUHOI 10 May 2020 19: 41 New
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    https://youtu.be/VdxqEyNNlzE
  • Revival
    Revival 10 May 2020 19: 41 New
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    (Russian newspaper 28.04.2020 12:02).
    Shooting ranges in the US opened contrary to quarantine
    A group of activists for the right to use weapons in the US in a judicial proceeding has opened shooting ranges in spite of the quarantine introduced in the country. According to The Hill, previously firearms in Virginia sued the local governor, who banned all non-vital enterprises, including shooting galleries, during the coronavirus epidemic.
    The defendant was the head of Virginia Ralph Northam. He was accused of violating his constitutional rights and won this process.
    By decision of the state judge, the Virginia shooting range will now work even during the COVID-19 pandemic, as local authorities cannot violate the basic rights of American citizens. In particular, we are talking about the second amendment to the country's constitution guaranteeing the right to arms to US citizens.
  • vadivm59
    vadivm59 10 May 2020 20: 54 New
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    вот развелось то АК всяких серий!!! и "чёрная " и 100-я,и 200-я,и 400-я.и новые 12,15, может ещё какие есть.я лично уже и следить перестал за новинками АК.мозги свихнуть можно.
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  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 May 2020 21: 51 New
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    Quote: Korax71
    Finally, the National Guard belay https://rosgvard.ru/не поленитесь перейти по данному адресу и удивитесь:росгвардия-это федеральная служба войск национальной гвардии Российской Федерации.

    Actually, the Rosguard. What is the main official name? Not the National Guard. This is visible to the naked eye. And from the same site name in particular.
    1. Revival
      Revival 10 May 2020 23: 18 New
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      By decree of the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Of April 5, 2016, No. 157, "Issues of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation" in order to ...
    2. Revival
      Revival 10 May 2020 23: 19 New
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      The name of the site is not an official name ..
      So in the law, the National Guard
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 11 May 2020 00: 12 New
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    I think this structure will be reduced soon, and the money will be given to the real armed forces. And that will be right. Yes, and officials need to be reduced at times, there is not enough money for weapons programs.
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      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 11 May 2020 01: 24 New
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        We are a poor country. And our economic crisis will be severe. In such quantities, these structures are not needed. I think they will not be able to give a full rebuff to the real riots and will not be able to withstand a real armed and trained enemy. And here neither a beautiful uniform, nor new machine guns with grenades will help .... Against unarmed peasants this is too much, against an armed enemy this is the last century. I do not see any benefit in such a numerous structure. Money must be invested in a real, full-fledged army. I could be wrong, but we have more gendarmes of all kinds per unit of civilian population than in France or Italy. Do you seriously believe that conscripts of the Russian Guard will be able to stop riots without firearms? And the use of a firearm will entail an avalanche of other problems. In my opinion, it's all just just on the paper of the authorities ... But in life porridge turns out ..
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 May 2020 12: 54 New
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      Quote: Comrade Michael
      I think this structure will be reduced soon, and the money will be given to the real armed forces. And that will be right. Yes, and officials need to be reduced at times, there is not enough money for weapons programs.

      Да ладно. Вованы были всегда - и при Империи, и при Советской власти, и в "демократической России". Меняются только вывески - внутренняя стража, жандармы, внутренние войска, теперь вот - Росгвардия.

      In blessed Soviet times, when power seemed to be people's, VV had its own tanks, its own artillery and its own aviation. And three dozen divisions.
      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 11 May 2020 13: 24 New
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        There is little sense from them. And they are not needed in such quantity. A normal army is needed, and they are only for the protection of objects. A waste of money tanks and artillery and aviation for them. But they do not fight terrorists anyway, but specialists are normal. And what, did they save the USSR? Or did they manage in Chechnya without an army?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 May 2020 14: 01 New
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          Quote: Comrade Mikhail
          A normal army is needed, and they are only for the protection of objects.

          The army does not have the right to be used on the territory of the country without declaring a state of emergency (this was done to avoid attempts to use army units in internal political squabbles). In fact, the same Chechen campaigns were to be carried out exclusively by the forces of the explosives.
          Кроме того, армия для действия на собственной территории обладает избыточной огневой мощью, да и тактику "обсыпания мелом" к собственному населению как-то не особо применять хочется.
          Quote: Comrade Mikhail
          But they do not fight terrorists anyway, but specialists are normal.

          They don’t fight at all? And then who is working on the UK now? Really one FSB with its scanty forces? Or an army to which it is generally prohibited?
          Quote: Comrade Mikhail
          And what, did they save the USSR?

          From a lot of blood? Yes. If not for explosives, then in the national republics of the blood would be even more.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 11 May 2020 04: 12 New
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    Directly bursting with pride for our "guard" -will be snickering at the people of the 200 series. What a "caring" leadership in the country.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 May 2020 12: 56 New
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      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Directly bursting with pride for our "guard" -will be snickering at the people of the 200 series. What a "caring" leadership in the country.

      Oh, one more sympathizer for the bearded children.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 May 2020 05: 46 New
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    Quote: tolmachiev51
    Directly bursting with pride for our "guard" -will be snickering at the people of the 200 series. What a "caring" leadership in the country.

    Watching whom you call people. If you mean hamadryl with inverted eyes, arranging provocations and smashing everything in its path, then let it be fun. These fascists / extremists, oh, sorry, the liberal public (people, in your opinion) should know their place. ;)
  • Super
    Super 11 May 2020 11: 54 New
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    Good news! Work brothers!