Rosguard ordered the delivery of Kalashnikov 200 series

The Russian Guard has entered into a new contract with the Kalashnikov concern for the supply of automatic machines of the 200th series in the usual and shortened form. This follows from the materials posted on the public procurement website.

According to the application, the Russian Guard has ordered the concern to supply AK-200 and AK-205 assault rifles in the amount of 1400 and 200 assault rifles, respectively. The contract must be completed by November 20 of this year, the total cost of delivery is 90,4 million rubles.

The Kalashnikov assault rifle of the 200th series was developed at Izhmash in 2008-2009, but did not go into the series due to the freezing of the project. Work on the machine was resumed in 2015, taking into account developments on the AK-400 machine ("AK-12 model 2016") and on the development kit "Body kit". The presentation of the assault rifles of this series was held at the Army 2017 exhibition; the assault rifles were presented to the public in 2018.

The Kalashnikov assault rifles of the 200th series are, in fact, the further development of the OCD "Body kit", produced in the factory. As stated, unlike AK-74M and AK-103 assault rifles, the 200 series has "improved ergonomics" and the presence of Picatinny rails that allow the installation of modern sighting systems and other accessories. Otherwise, there are no significant differences.

The machine is designed for law enforcement and for export, the more sophisticated AK-12 and AK-15 assault rifles are supplied to the Russian army. The AK-200 is a “regular” submachine gun of 5,45X39 mm caliber, the 205th is a shortened version of the submachine gun. In addition, the 200th series includes AK-201 and AK-202 submachine guns chambered for 5,56X45 mm (normal and shortened) and AK-203 and AK-204 chambered for 7,62X39 mm caliber (regular and shortened).

Comments

[Eug]

Wow ... but what is RosGuard not buying the most sophisticated machines? And if not a secret, why 5.45? As for me, for RosGuard 7.62 shortened - just right ...

[Clerk]

And why is the AK-12 better than the same 200? So the differences are mostly minor, but the difference in cost is probably very significant!

[opus]

Quote: Eug

Wow ... but what is RosGuard not buying the most sophisticated machines?

are preparing
for them "there is money, do not stay here, all the best to you"

According to the Ministry of Finance, the 2020 budget is funded by the Russian Guard 251,3 billion rubles pledged - 3,2 billion more than a year ago. The total expenditures of the federal treasury on “national security and law enforcement” will amount to 2,5 trillion rubles - 319 billion rubles, or 14,6% more than in 2019.

April 2020
The Russian Guard announced the purchase of 57 hand grenades (“RGN products index 500G7”)

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[AUL]

Treat this with understanding! They take care of you!

[opus]

Quote from AUL

Treat this with understanding! They take care of you!

no, thanks

[Catfish]

Yeah ... there is no doubt about it!

[tagil]

Yeah. How can you shoot people from junk, suddenly a bullet in your forehead will bring dirt and throw grenades of the last century like RGD-5. In general, do not you think that you are carrying wild stupidity?

[Clerk]

... and in which case they must neutralize the terrorists with Maxim’s machine guns and machine guns, right? You would at least learn what specific units of the FSVNG these Kalash will get. and then they would draw conclusions!
PS - sorry. According to this comment of yours, at first I thought that you are one of "these" oppositions.

[tagil]

I perfectly guess which divisions will get these weapons and for what. Maybe you first read to whom and what I answered in this "key" before jumping in like this right away.

[Clerk]

Yes, I say - I'm sorry. It hurt like a pile.

[tagil]

Nothing happens, you do not pay attention to these ducks. They can only be explained with a rubber club. Here such Novodvorskie sometimes come across that the hand reaches for the holster.

[Clerk]

And you just imagine that there would be if instead of new Kalash anti-terrorist units and operational brigades of the FSVNG received jet flamethrowers!

[tagil]

Well, I think that if necessary, they will. The border troops had both infantry fighting vehicles and mortars and "Grads" as long as they were needed. Well, these "patriots" can even pull out the hair on the fifth point of themselves and their "combat" comrade, no one will ask what and whom to arm.

[hohkn]

Quote: clerk

anti-terrorist units and operational brigades of the FSVNG received jet flamethrowers!

So they have RPO-A. And for a long time, since the time of the subordination of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the North Caucasus use.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Tagil

I perfectly guess which divisions will get these weapons and for what. Maybe you first read to whom and what I answered in this "key" before jumping in like this right away.

I am very ready to hear about the "anti-terrorist" units in the National Guard)))
opened beer, stocked up with popcorn - I'm listening;)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Corona without virus

I am very ready to hear about the "anti-terrorist" units in the National Guard)))

And what, 604 CSN has ceased to be anti-terror?

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Corona without virus

I am very ready to hear about the "anti-terrorist" units in the National Guard)))

And what, 604 CSN has ceased to be anti-terror?

Can you read? )) 604 CSN - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs - and I asked about the National Guard units)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Corona without virus

Can you read? )) 604 CSN - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs - and I asked about the National Guard units)

So there is no more the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation. Renamed them to the National Guard.
Accordingly, everything that used to be anti-terrorism in the Ministry of Internal Affairs has become the same anti-terrorism, but already under the guise of NG.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Corona without virus

Can you read? )) 604 CSN - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs - and I asked about the National Guard units)

So there is no more the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation. Renamed them to the National Guard.
Accordingly, everything that used to be anti-terrorism in the Ministry of Internal Affairs has become the same anti-terrorism, but already under the guise of NG.

At that time, already "on the fingers" I asked - what anti-terrorist units were created from scratch during the creation of the National Guard ??? ))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Corona without virus

At that time, already "on the fingers" I asked - what anti-terrorist units were created from scratch during the creation of the National Guard ??? ))

From scratch - none. For all the "creation of the WG" consisted in separating some of the structures from the Ministry of Internal Affairs (primarily the Internal Troops) and renaming them the National Guard. A sort of rebranding of BB.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tagil

I know very well what units this weapon will get and for what.

Given that grenades must be delivered to Balashikha, there is only one candidate for them - the only division left in the BB / WG.

[tagil]

Maybe. But since it is forbidden to use RGN as well as the Russian Geographical Society for educational purposes, it is most likely a replacement in the warehouses of old grenades.

[opus]

Quote: Tagil

. In general, do not you think that you are carrying wild stupidity?

here is what I read - it seems like a nonsense.
And in my post I discovered it.
Can you help?

[tagil]

I will help.

are preparing
for them "there is money, do not stay here, all the best to you"

Probably they are preparing according to your version to shoot people, but whoever crawls into the basements will throw grenades. Or do you see your statement differently? Then state your thoughts clearly so that there is no double interpretation of your words.

[opus]

Quote: Tagil

Probably they are preparing according to your version to shoot people, but whoever crawls into the basements will throw grenades

and why did they once run after the people and give him forcibly: money, potatoes and bread?
Yes, of course, if they are dissatisfied.
It was like this under the tsar and under the communists, it was like that under Yeltsin, and now it will be like that.
grenades are a mystery to me, much less.
Military operations are not carried out only if you defend the palace of Amin, the Winter Palace.

Quote: Tagil

Then state your thoughts clearly so that there is no double interpretation of your words.

I state as I can. Not everyone is as smart as you are.
God won’t equalize the trees in the forest in height, but you want me to be at the other stage of development with you. It doesn’t!

[tagil]

Yes, of course, if they are dissatisfied.
It was like this under the tsar and under the communists, it was like that under Yeltsin, and now it will be like that.

Yeah. I have no more questions. None.

[maratkoRuEkb]

to your quote "grenades are a mystery to me, so much the more so.
Military operations do not carry out "I will answer, the Rosgvardia is engaged in the protection of especially important objects (for example, a nuclear power plant, storage facilities, warehouses of varying degrees of danger) in the protection of such objects, including grenades. Well, plus in the Caucasus, anti-terrorist operations take place periodically.

[Sasha Minakov]

how are you like you got. whiners and eternal beggars.

[opus]

Quote: Sasha Minakov

how are you like you got. whiners and eternal beggars.

how did you get (either stupid s or bought kremleboty), and at the expense of the poor, your idol vysis gave

/ drink less even on self-isolation /

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well, then why is this itself ... Needless ... Isolation? Hic ...

[Revival]

Yes, we know your position.
Masha has clearly chewed everything about the boyars and slaves

[opus]

Quote: Revival

Yes, we know your position.

enlighten, otherwise I myself am not aware of my "position"

Quote: Revival

Self-isolation? Hic ...

but I don’t know what this is.

[Revival]

About the second citation in the comment, you messed up something

[opus]

Quote: Revival

About the second citation in the comment, you messed up something

maybe. nakosyachil apologize
this is probably this

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Self-isolation? Hic ...

[smart fellow]

Because they cannot produce AK-12 on an industrial scale. Even a few thousand pieces a year.

[V.I.P.]

It would be cheaper to buy this kit and install the forces of gunsmiths. Ak-74 is full in warehouses. Instead of the Ak-205, it was necessary to buy AM-17. It’s certainly better .... And, as usual, the whole point is to use the budget and no gain in efficiency ... The Ak-74 with the receiver cover (with trims for sight) from Fab Defense is much better, the Ak-200. .....

[tagil]

And you do not think that this is a full-time replacement of weapons that have exhausted their resources and gone for remelting.

[= VolodeY =]

Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

[pv1005]

Quote: = VolodeY =

Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

Go to the doctor and drink a pill, or you’ll die a fool.

[Clerk]

Quote: pv1005

Quote: = VolodeY =
Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

Alas, this is not being treated.

[Incvizitor]

Only the grave will correct such.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: = VolodeY =

Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

Demonstrations and batons with gas accelerate with a bang, they are preparing for riots and urge the overthrow of power

[Piramidon]

Quote: = VolodeY =

Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

Navalnenok preoccupied, or what? Do not go to the Lechina assembly and you will be happy.

[Revival]

Do not go
Do not say
Approve
Know your place
And you will be happy, right?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Revival

Do not go
Do not say
Approve
Know your place
And you will be happy, right?

Follow the methods that are legal to you if you don’t like something.

[Revival]

So all methods are prohibited!
What methods?
Everything is prohibited and only with permission.
Criticism of an official only with the permission of the official, well, just a class!

[Revival]

So what are the current legal methods, please, which are available to the citizen

[Piramidon]

Get official permissions for all kinds of mass actions and no one will drive you.

[Revival]

Get permission from the one I want to criticize?
It is logical of course ...
And if he himself is expected to refuse me then what?

[Revival]

Legal rally method.
The rally forbids the one against whom the rally is going. AND? What?
What is another legal method at the impasse of specially created laws?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

Do not go
Do not say.
Approve.
Know your place

What is the problem then?
Walk.
Speak.
Do not approve.
Do not know your place.
And you will be happy.
And most importantly: do not complain later.

[Revival]

That is, you openly write down the police state and advocate for this?

[Vasyan1971]

Everything is good in moderation.
The USA, people in the know say, is a "police" state to the nth degree. In Germany, according to rumors, your like-minded people "walking, talking, disapproving" are being pressed to the fullest. In France, they pressed again just now ...
What are you calling for? To anarchy? Do you only hope to lead? Be afraid of your desires ...

[Revival]

I am not calling for anything.

They always vote that in the United States they’ll shoot for a plastic cup, not that everything is soft with us.

Here, for example,
(Russian newspaper May 1, 2020) In Michigan, quarantine protesters seize the local capitol
Several hundred residents of the American state of Michigan seized the local capitol in protest against the quarantine imposed by the authorities, The Guardian reports. Reportedly, people with weapons were seen among the audience. "
People with weapons captured the capitol without opposition.
Trump called on the governor to make concessions to the protesters.
What do you think, an agreed rally?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

I am not calling for anything.

Then what is the bazaar about?

According to the founder of VKontakte, Pavel Durov, the United States is a tough police state, which is the leader in terms of the number of people in prison.

Do you really think that all this will not come back to haunt the "protesters" later?

[Revival]

When he comes around then we'll see, but for now they wanted to and went out.
Imagine such a meeting with us and oh God, without permission?
And this also comes around?
Do you think it’s possible here for the judge to make a decision like this? Yeah ...
(Russian newspaper 28.04.2020 12:02).
Shooting ranges in the US opened contrary to quarantine
A group of activists for the right to use weapons in the US in a judicial proceeding has opened shooting ranges in spite of the quarantine introduced in the country. According to The Hill, previously firearms in Virginia sued the local governor, who banned all non-vital enterprises, including shooting galleries, during the coronavirus epidemic.
The defendant was the head of Virginia Democrat Ralph Northam. Its plaintiffs accused of violating their constitutional rights and won this process.
In accordance with the decision of the state district judge announced the day before, Virginia's shooting ranges will now operate even during the COVID-19 pandemic, since local authorities cannot violate the basic rights of American citizens. In particular, we are talking about the second amendment to the country's constitution that guarantees the right to arms to US citizens. "

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

When he comes around then we'll see, but for now they wanted to and went out.

Empty from the series "A Baba Yaga is against".

The state is a political form of organization of a society in a certain territory, a political-territorial sovereign organization of public authority,
possessing an apparatus of control and coercion, which subordinates the entire population of the country.

So it was and it will be so. Everywhere and always. The rest is an empty chatter, possible in a well-fed and peaceful environment.

[Revival]

I already understood that you have nothing to say

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

I already understood that you have nothing to say

You just don’t hear.

[your1970]

Quote: Revival

Several hundred residents of the American state of Michigan seized the local capitol in protest against the quarantine imposed by the authorities, The Guardian reports. Reportedly, people with weapons were seen among the audience. "
People with weapons captured the capitol without opposition.

under US case law in Michigan, citizens have the right to enter the local government with weapons - but nothing more. In fact - they went to a permitted place, stood there and slowly left ....
Governor NOT accepted the proposals and NOT made concessions ....scored on armed people like "broke into the Capitol" ...
It’s easier for you because the rallies there are unauthorized and with weapons - if the US authorities spit on them? !!!

[Revival]

In France, they beat up before the abolition of pension reform

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

In France, they beat up before the abolition of pension reform

And yet.
Canceled one, drag the other.

[Revival]

But we definitely haven’t been canceled.
But whether it is dragged there or not is not yet known, but it is clearly visible that this was canceled!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

But whether it is dragged there or not is not yet known, but it is clearly visible that this was canceled!

Directly and "clearly"?

[Revival]

Why this empty comment, nothing to say?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

Why this empty comment, nothing to say?

I think brevity is the sister of talent.
What is there "clearly" visible to you?

[Revival]

Yes, it’s clear and indisputable, we haven’t been canceled

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

Yes, clearly and clearly

The power will change rhetoric, it will achieve its goal. Anyway.

Quote: Revival

we have not been canceled

They will always be dissatisfied. Anyway.
WG or its possible analogue (and it will be mandatory) need to be canceled? To protest the crowd taxied?

[Revival]

Uh-huh, 90 percent against the pension reform, are they the same "always will be dissatisfied"?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

Yeah, 90 percent against pension reform

Where is the droushka?

Quote: Revival

I am not calling for anything.

Or do you call?
Sound

Quote: Revival

straight clearly and indisputably

?

[Revival]

Do you deny elementary things?
Do you think that the overwhelming majority of the pension reform was?
Even Putin admitted in the final speech, signing that yes people are against, but please treat with understanding ...

And where did you see the call?
Or do you think about appeals and spread it to others?)

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Revival

Do you think that the overwhelming majority of the pension reform was?

I believe that the vast majority did not care.

Quote: Revival

And where did you see the call?

The fact of the matter is that it is not clear what you are seeking.

Quote: Revival

I am not calling for anything.

Quote: Revival

That is, you openly write down the police state and advocate for this?

What do you stand for? It has already been said about the "openly police state". With him, you would be silent and walk in formation.

Quote: Revival

Get permission from the one I want to criticize?
It is logical of course ...
And if he himself is expected to refuse me then what?

It is logical. Common practice. Refuse? Only if protests get in the way of others. Allocated a place? Buzz to health. But this is not what is needed. We need scandal and hype. Therefore, it is necessary to flatten the "freedom-loving". And at the same time, the adjoining garbage, who wants to run around on the sly. If the authorities do not have enough strength, we get what, for example, is happening in Ukraine today. Was it for "standing on the Maidan"? Was it worth it? For whom did you try?

[Korax71]

Strange. And in our country every rallies ends in riots, arson, pogroms and broken heads and faces of security officials? It’s not correct to compare a little. The same mattresses not so long ago had an action against making amendments to the 2nd amendment, so there the people with trunks and equipped came out and no one shot, and the people heard power

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Korax71

Strange. And in our country every rallies ends in riots, arson, pogroms and broken heads and faces of security officials?

Of course not. And thank God! But this does not mean that the WG or other profiled structure is not needed. Or not needed, though?

Quote: Korax71

there the people with trunks and equipped came out and no one shot anyone, and the people heard power

In the United States, the government does not, in principle, agree to negotiate with terrorists. And an armed anti-government protest is terrorism. It is only in Syria that the existence of an "armed opposition" is allowed, for obvious reasons. And the people were "armed and equipped" only for the masquerade. No one would have started shooting - otherwise the khana would have come to everyone indiscriminately. Immediately. So don't talk about it. The same story with Mount Carmel cries out. By the way, it is not known what will still come around there. The precedent must be docked. Otherwise, first they will go for the amendment, shake the trunks, then, when they like it, they will go for the transfer of the traffic light. It was a lot of fun, it’s hard to hangover.

[Revival]

That's right, so as they say do not complain later, this is such a universal advice that a lot of people can do it

[pv1005]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: = VolodeY =

Demonstrations to disperse are getting ready!

Navalnenok preoccupied, or what? Do not go to the Lechina assembly and you will be happy.

I look at the site more and more liberals minusers becomes.

[tagil]

Do not disperse but shoot and throw grenades (new). We have already dispersed so many demonstrations so that the trunks of old machine guns have melted. Burn esche.

[naburkin]

It turns out 56 apiece. Not expensive for wholesale?

[Altona]

Quote: naburkin

It turns out 56 apiece. Not expensive for wholesale?

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Nobody canceled the cut yet. The "highly spiritual" must live on something, not only on cabbage and chevrons. Although in the current dollar at the exchange rate, this is nonsense. But the cost hardly exceeds 5-7 thousand.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

Nobody canceled the cut yet. "Highly spiritual" must live on something, not only on cabbage and chevrons

Well, what an article about FSVNG can’t do without another fan attack!

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

Well, what an article about FSVNG can’t do without another fan attack!

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And the same "defenders" of police and arbitrariness with the same substantive arguments.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

And the same "defenders" of police and arbitrariness

Well, come on, tell me what police are and arbitrariness. I think if we really had police power, then you wouldn’t have written such comments so simply, and you would have been left at your address a long time ago.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

Well, come on, tell me what police are and arbitrariness.

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Please do not poke me, I live more and know you too. Read the Constitution first and the Police Law, the Russian Guard has an analogue. And to dress in a suit of the Sobrovtsa and citizens to sprinkle without introducing themselves, and I can.

[Clerk]

It is arguable that more than me - you are in tone like another hysterical young man, pale with a burning gaze, to whom those who did not enjoy the vastness of the endless Runet "opened their eyes to reality."

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

It is arguable that more than me - you are in tone like another hysterical young man, pale with a burning gaze, to whom those who did not enjoy the vastness of the endless Runet "opened their eyes to reality."

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I'm 51 years old, for your information. So temper your tone. I am also a "defender" of the Motherland.

[Clerk]

And I’m 57 and I am the heir to the Korolev blood! Here everyone about himself can unsubstantially write anything about himself.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

And I’m 57 and I am the heir to the Korolev blood! Here everyone about himself can unsubstantially write anything about himself.

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Well, sit there, heir. I told you my real personal data. And nobody gave you the right to judge others, much less poke.

[Clerk]

Well, you stick on the road! Well, especially since no one gave you the right to reproach others with illegal actions!

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

Rosguard has an analogue

It is interesting to know which one?

Quote: Altona

And to dress in a suit of the Sobrovtsa and citizens to sprinkle without introducing themselves, and I can.

Give an example. Prove that it was precisely the Sobrovets, and not a compromiser dressed as a camera player.

Quote: Altona

Read the Constitution first and the Police Act,

Read about the responsibilities of the FSVNG first, about agreed and non-agreed rallies.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

Read about the responsibilities of the FSVNG first, about agreed and non-agreed rallies.

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There is no concept of "uncoordinated rallies". Citizens have the right to assemble peacefully and without weapons under the Constitution. Rosgvardia has no obligations to screw and beat citizens. Don't write nonsense. I am not obliged to prove the "clerk" to you, you are not a judge or a prosecutor, you will find information yourself. So go through the forest and read the laws.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

There is no concept of "uncoordinated rallies". Citizens have the right to assemble peacefully and without weapons under the Constitution.

And if at the same time they block roads - i.e. they do not allow fire engines to get to the place of fire, and ambulances to the sick? And if at the same time they burn and spoil the property of citizens - break windows, turn cars over? If they disturb the peace of citizens at night? Is that why the rallies should be coordinated with the local municipal authorities?

Quote: Altona

Rosguard has no obligations to screw and beat citizens

It is their responsibility to ensure the rule of law. And if some create provocations, riots and commit unlawful acts, then they will be screwed and beaten.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

And if they block roads, i.e. Do not allow fire engines to get to the place of fire - fast - to the sick? And if at the same time they burn and spoil the property of citizens - break windows, turn cars over?

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There was no such thing, especially if "they burn and spoil the property of citizens," but the lawlessness of the guards was. Such was the case in 2002, when young people made such riots at Manezhka, the Russian national team lost to Japan, and immediately adopted a law on extremism under the guise. It's a shame not to know that. And the fact that last year there were performances in Moscow at the elections to the Moscow City Duma, then there the guards showed themselves in all their glory. So do not substitute silly arguments for concepts. Even if citizens adhere to the wrong beliefs in your opinion, this does not give you the right to limit their rights and incite social discord. At the age of 57, one should have a stronger memory and even more be able to compare events.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

There was no such thing, especially if "they burn and spoil the property of citizens", but the lawlessness of the guards was

Maybe we should remind you of the 93rd event in Moscow, when the so-called. "Peaceful demonstration" of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the Garden Ring crushed the units of the Interior Ministry and the police, and then, taking possession of their weapons and trucks, set off to storm the Ostankino television center?

Quote: Altona

And the fact that last year there were performances in Moscow at the elections to the Moscow City Duma, then the guards showed themselves in all their glory.

This is when most of the protesters had passports unbroken?

Quote: Altona

Even if citizens hold wrong beliefs in your opinion, this does not give you the right to restrict their rights and incite social discord

Well, no matter what citizens are not dissatisfied with - no one gives them the right to violate the law and order.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

Maybe we should remind you of the 93rd event in Moscow, when the so-called. "Peaceful demonstration" of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the Garden Ring crushed the units of the Interior Ministry and the police, and then, taking possession of their weapons and trucks, set off to storm the Ostankino television center?

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So from this it was necessary to begin that you are a fan of fascism. Goodbye, Mr. Prigogine Bot. In the same 1993, the White House was "peacefully" shot from tanks. This in your assessments is evident from the other side of good and evil.
PS Present your passports unbroken, otherwise it’s not the case, you are inciting social and now ethnic hatred.
PPS Law and order does not mean protecting the interests of the richest members of society.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

So it was necessary to start from this that you are a fan of fascism. Goodbye, Mr. Prigozhinsky bot.

Why would it suddenly be fascism? Fascism was in the Supreme Soviet - there was such a gathering of radical communists, a military junta and nationalists!

Quote: Altona

In the same 1993, the White House was "peacefully" shot from tanks

Well, it was not necessary at first to arrange unrest throughout Moscow, attack law enforcement officers, seize the city hall and take everyone hostage in it and fire at the Ostankino with a grenade launcher. And then they were given change - now they complain!

Quote: Altona

PS Present your passports unbroken, otherwise it’s not the case, you are inciting social and now ethnic hatred.

Yeah, now I’ll ask them to return back to Russia almost six months later and ask for the scans of their passports.

Quote: Altona

incite social, and now ethnic hatred.

Well, yes, yes, your cause is holy, and whoever is against it is that enemy.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

Well, yes, yes, your cause is holy, and whoever is against it is that enemy.

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Of course, you justify the events of 2002 unconditionally when drunken youth smashed the center of Moscow with impunity. Where were all these vaunted right guards? I judge simply by their actions in either case. Where these actions were justified, and where there was simply arbitrariness. No one disputes the powers of the right of guards if they are applied in accordance with the law, and not by oral order to violate the norms of the law. That's all. If the society does not have social regulators and dialogue with feedback, then the machine and bayonets will not help. This was shown both in 1917 and 1991.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

Of course, you justify the events of 2002 unconditionally when drunken youth smashed the center of Moscow with impunity. Where were all these vaunted right guards?

Oddly enough, they were engaged in ending the riots.

Quote: Altona

No one disputes the powers of the right of guards if they are applied in accordance with the law, and not by oral order to violate the norms of the law.

What are some known cases of violations of the law during the cessation of unrest?

[Revival]

But these:
The most sensational
1. Beat the woman in the stomach straight at the camera.
2. Grabbed a man on a run, broke his leg. They lied that they had detained during the rally, but damn it, the cameras were let down, it turned out that the rally had not yet been.
Has anyone been punished?
For injuries, excess, false testimony in court !?
No! None!

[Clerk]

Quote: Revival

1. Beat the woman in the stomach straight at the camera.

Again, you are rushing about with this staged photo like with holy tablets. We know all these cases when a photographer hangs around, and a provocateur approaches the guards - either rolls a barrel on them, or falls on their hands or under their feet - here's a photo of the "atrocities of the bloody regime"!

Quote: Revival

2. Grabbed a man on a run, broke his leg. They lied that they had detained during the rally, but damn it, the cameras were let down, it turned out that the rally had not yet been.

And why did he hang around and take pictures of their equipment? Who gave him the right to shoot? Nothing that the object was guarded? And about the fracture, he has already filed a lawsuit.

[Revival]

And do you think that the National Guard is in agreement with the photographer? Do they work together? Or do they have the right not to restrain themselves and beat a woman with a causeless cause?
2. The fact that he photographed the technique themselves invented?
And what kind of photo can you even break your legs?
3. So when they answer for lies, the court first claimed that they had detained him during the rally.
Who was punished for false testimony?

[Clerk]

Quote: Revival

And do you think that the National Guard is in agreement with the photographer?

No, I’m more than convinced that the guardsmen are not unaware of a contract with the photographer, and they don’t even suspect that they can be approached by another provocateur who will be naughty or rush into his arms / legs - and somewhere nearby a photographer waiting for this, who was ordered to photograph how guardsmen illegally beat / detain an innocent citizen.

Quote: Revival

2. The fact that he photographed the technique themselves invented?
And what kind of photo can you even break your legs?

There are many articles on this topic on the Internet. I was jogging, stopped at the mayor's office, began to take pictures of the guardsmen and their equipment, and when I took a lot of pictures, I ran. Naturally, they detained him in this case. His leg was injured unintentionally - just when he was thrown to the ground, they did not notice that there was a curb under his foot. We didn't calculate the place of his "landing" a bit. But even in this case, the victim has already prepared a claim.

Quote: Revival

. So when they answer for lies, the court first claimed that they had detained him during the rally.

A link to the resource approving this please!

[Revival]

1.
That is, when striking a woman’s stomach, the employee simply didn’t take into account that this would be filmed, and that's okay, right?
Do you just need to beat with care so that no one sees? You can beat her right-winger in the stomach, right?
2. Well, let's start in order, please discard the fact of photographing the equipment, please

[Clerk]

Quote: Revival

That is, when striking a woman’s stomach, the employee simply didn’t take into account that this would be filmed, and that's okay, right?

And why did you get the idea that he beat her? Maybe she just leaned in front of him at the moment when he took a step forward. And by the way, where is this very photograph - I can’t find it in Yandex to see it.

Quote: Revival

2. Well, let's start in order, please discard the fact of photographing the equipment, please

Lord, this designer himself in all his interviews to all online publications says so - even in the opposition media! Here is an example:
https://ovdinfo.org/stories/2019/07/28/zachem-ubegal-avtoru-logotipa-moskovskogo-metro-slomali-nogu-pered-akciey-u-merii

[Revival]

You really don’t slide like that, or else it’s funny and uninteresting.
The whole country discussed the video with a blow to a woman’s stomach!
Weakly you are somehow trying to get away from an uncomfortable question.
2. I already made a decision, I repeat: even if I took a picture of an autosack on the street, what law is it prohibited?
Is it so delayed for this that you can even break your leg without notice, what is such a huge danger from the photo?

[Korax71]

As I understand it, you are fiercely defending NG, because you are in its ranks? The right to photo & video filming is secured by a citizen legally part 4, Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. ... secret. It is very bad when the guardians of the law either do not know this very law, or openly violate it, which is an abuse of office.

[Korax71]

Well, so the sun in your hut a question about something else. you are trying to whitewash and acquit NG employees. I wrote to you above in the commentary on the basis of which they do not prohibit photo-video shooting. because often they don’t really know their rights and obligations — an unfortunate fact that speaks about the methodology selection of personnel. Attempts to justify this by caring for the safety of citizens look very poor.

[Revival]

That is, you don’t remember what you write about this runner or do you expose the employees of his detainees with oaks?

"As far as I know, he was detained not so much for filming, but as under Article 20.2 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation. By shooting and running, he only drew attention to himself."

Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 20.2. Violation of the established procedure for organizing or holding a meeting, rally, demonstration, procession or picket
1. Violation by the organizer ...

That is, he attracted attention and was credited to the organizers of the rally in violation of the rules for holding it even before the rally began !? Oh how!
Well then, of course, everything is legal, right?

That is, the runner is not where necessary.
When it’s not, then shooting is something that is not necessary.
And detained as the organizer of the rally violating the rules of his providence !!! )))
Or is he also an Argentinean Polish spy?

Do you catch the logic? Or is it secret?

[Revival]

Well, it’s clear, that is, they were detained just in case, everyone who did not like, about not around, but anywhere.
Well, that's for sure then everything is according to the law.
Hold the guys all in the morning, run around, you know, somehow suspiciously

[Revival]

Which has not yet begun, for the type of "what a hell of a run here"?
An interesting reason, legal, right?

[Revival]

That is, in your opinion, in this case it never began and never ended?))

[Korax71]

[/ quote] And why did he hang out there and take pictures of their equipment? Who gave him the right to shoot? Nothing that the object was guarded? And about the fracture, he has already filed a lawsuit. [Quote]

Well these are not my words ???? The fact that you are now trying once again to shield incompetent comrades and to bring here an article of the Code of Administrative Offenses imputed to a person, and the proceedings in this case were carried out with a huge number of violations, as well as the process of detention. NG employee, it’s not very likely that they would threaten their life and health.

[Korax71]

You perfectly understand in what cases forceful detention is possible and one of them is an attempt to harm the health of an employee. In other cases, let's be honest, forceful methods of detention are a clear overkill. How would it be two big differences when stones fly at employees, burn cars, hit the glass and, shouted out the word, "shame", or some other expression, especially since the law enforcement officers themselves are not shy about expressions at such events.

[/ quote] In fact, by his actions, he simply looked from the side of the guards as one of the protesters. [quote]

according to your logic, if I am of a large physique, without a mamma, with a face overgrown, I am a potential client for detention on charges of terrorism or banditry? don’t you think that in that situation, if the employee thought, then you should first make sure that the suspicions are justified? This wording can also be used to detain a granny in a market with a bunch of greenery grown in a garden on suspicion of spying for a mattress. As for the materials of the proceedings, she refused to include recordings from surveillance cameras at the time of detention, the investigator did not interrogate Konovalov at all. Well, should I explain to you that often the court takes the side of the security forces

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Well, it was not necessary at first to arrange unrest throughout Moscow, attack law enforcement officers, seize the city hall and take everyone hostage in it and fire at the Ostankino with a grenade launcher. And then they were given change - now they complain!

They didn’t shoot you in the 91st. And the sniper on the roof of the city hall did not sit.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

They didn’t shoot you in the 91st.

Who are you?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Who are you?

You, champions of democracy and accomplices of Yeltsin.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

You, champions of democracy and accomplices of Yeltsin.

It would probably be difficult to shoot almost the whole country and the CIS countries? Would you have enough strength?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

It would probably be difficult to shoot almost the whole country

What? Since when has Moscow become "the whole country"?

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

What? Since when has Moscow become "the whole country"?

And since when only Moscow was the champions of democracy and Yeltsin?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

And since when only Moscow was the champions of democracy and Yeltsin?

Have you seen a lot of rallies for Yeltsin in other cities? Personally, there were about twenty people in ours with one poster "Down with the Emergency Committee!" And that's all. What did they do with the referendum on the preservation of the USSR? Remember.

[Clerk]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

What did they do with the referendum on preserving the USSR? Remember.

As a result, Gorbachev first tried to implement the project "Sobza of Soviet Sovereign Republics" - a kind of softer form of the USSR in order to keep the republics from secession. He did not satisfy the leaders of the republics. He proposed to them the draft "Union of Sovereign States" - in essence a confederation. Again, he did not satisfy the leaders of the republics - they were determined to leave the USSR. In addition, the GKChPists made their contribution - they finally finished off any desire to preserve the USSR. In addition, according to these projects, the republics within the RSFSR became sovereign republics - like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan. Those. Russia itself would have left horns and legs for the sake of preserving the USSR. And then just a parade of sovereignty, and the communists were removed from power.

Quote: Mordvin 3

Have you seen many rallies for Yeltsin in other cities?

I won’t say anything for other cities, but from personal communication with people from different places I concluded for myself that the Communists and their supporters can be listed in the Red Book - or taken for compulsory treatment to Kashchenka.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

from personal communication with people from different places I concluded for myself that the Communists and their supporters can be listed in the Red Book - or taken for compulsory treatment to Kashchenka.

You have a good democracy, yes. As we begin to find out why today's supporters of the authorities are ready to use reprisals against others, and Yazov did not do this, then the question immediately looms: "And who are we for?"

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

As we begin to find out why today's supporters of the authorities are ready to use reprisals against others, and Yazov did not do this, then the question immediately looms: "And who are we for?"

Do you propose living in either Latin America or Ukraine - roughly speaking, to make a coup almost every year? And what is the best cure for dandruff is the guillotine - so what do you think? For an ordinary person, what’s the use of it? Enough, already made conclusions. Especially having seen enough of the color revolutions of the zeros in the CIS, the revolutions in Syria and Libya, the division of Yugoslavia and the coup in Ukraine.
PS - Has anyone been sentenced to capital punishment for the rallies at the present time? Now that they knock on apartments at night, take them to the Lubyanka, torture? What kind of "repression" are you talking about? You better read the story - as in the 19th century in all countries in such cases, protesters were simply shot on the spot. About the shooting in Novocherkask. The way they oppose the busters now is a kindergarten.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Enough, already made conclusions.

So, in your opinion, the coup of the 91st, 93rd and the collapse of the Union was the only correct one, and all other political meetings and rallies of the opposition are anti-state. I did not expect another.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

So, in your opinion, the coup of the 91st, 93rd and the collapse of the Union was the only correct one, and all other political meetings and rallies of the opposition are anti-state. I did not expect another.

I would not call the events of the 91st and 93rd coup. They are a coup according to the version of the Communists. Nobody overthrew and shot them - the people simply followed Yeltsin. This is not what Lenin arranged in the 1917th - there was no terror or civil war.
The collapse of the Union - perhaps so. If, in order to prolong its existence, it was necessary to cut Russia into separate republics, then maybe the road is there for him?
And as for the rallies, I will say again that they are agreed upon with the local municipal authorities and not agreed upon. In the first case, they agree on the venue, time, number of protesters, their goals - so that neither the protesters interfere with the life of the settlement, nor the settlement to hold the rally. Well, the inconsistent is when it becomes known only when a crowd has already appeared that interferes with traffic and disturbs citizens (it is quite possible that it even smashes windows, sets fire to and turns over other people's cars and provokes fights)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Nobody overthrew and shot them

Yeah. And from the tanks, they fired at idle. Someone fell out of the window, someone just shot himself. An empty argument. I read somewhere at Barents that the Constitutional Court of the USSR recognized Yeltsin’s actions illegal. Tired of overfilling, I'll go to dinner.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yeah. And from the tanks, they fired at idle.

... on the upper floors, for psychological pressure, where according to the calculations no one should have been. We would like to purposefully kill - we would have beaten high-explosive and incendiary along the basement and first floors, where all the defenders concentrated.

Quote: Mordvin 3

The Constitutional Court of the USSR declared Yeltsin’s actions illegal.

The way it is. The Constitutional Court recognized Yeltsin's decree No. 1400 as inconsistent with the constitution. But here it is necessary to make an amendment to the fact that the court acted within the framework of the existing constitution - the Constitution of the 78th year, "Brezhnev". And according to it, the country was a Soviet republic. Only here again I will repeat that neither the USSR nor the RSFSR was already there - but there was a sovereign Russian Federation, which, moreover, was presidential republic. In addition, Yeltsin was supported by all the security forces (if you do not take into account the supporters of the Armed Forces among the veterans of Afghanistan, Transnistria and Abkhazia) from the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Security. Therefore, the appearance of the COP flew by. Now, if the RSFSR existed, and the post of president did not exist, then Yeltsin would be tamed.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

PPS Law and order does not mean protecting the interests of the richest members of society.

Well, once again they started their old song about the oligarchs ... why don’t you say anything about your old party functionaries?
Since when is the suppression of provocations and incitement of the crowd to unlawful acts in the form of damage to municipal and private property to protect the interests of individuals?

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

Well, once again they started their old song about the oligarchs ... why don’t you say anything about your old party functionaries?

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About whom, for example? About Sobyanin? So this is your functionary. He has long surpassed Luzhkov. And his deputies are Baturin.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

About whom, for example? About Sobyanin?

What do you incriminate him? Do you have material evidence of his crimes on the basis of which you are convinced that he is a thief? So you can haul up to the pillar because it is crooked!

[V.I.P.]

How interesting .. And here is Stalin, Beria. Berry, Yezhov personally killed at least one person ?? But why don’t they like them so much, they call them murderers. But pieces of paper and allegedly verbal orders, so they all slandered them under torture))))) ... And do you think that even if there are material evidence, someone will publish them after Mrs. Vasilyeva? ... ... And now, in your opinion, Serdyukov also not involved in the theft of the Defense Ministry? .... Why then removed the innocent? Urgently, he needs to be returned to the place of the minister! ...... And Kozhgedovich back to the Ministry of Emergencies, otherwise the taiga is on fire. Let it stew)))))

[Clerk]

Don't worry - there are archival documents on which Molotov, Mikoyan, Stalin and others put their signatures for execution. They have a lot of things. So much that they did not receive rehabilitation. Read at least "Note by A. N. Yakovlev, V. A. Medvedev, V. M. Chebrikov, A. I. Lukyanov, G. P. Razumovsky, B. K. Pugo, V. A. Kryuchkov, V. I. . Boldina, G. L. Smirnova in the Central Committee of the CPSU "On anti-constitutional
Noah practice 30-40s and early 50s "" from 88th year - this is not Medusa for you to read.

There will be material evidence on Serdyukovs and others - then we'll talk. And while one grandmother whispered at the entrance to the entrance ...

[V.I.P.]

Notes ??? ..... Well, those who came to power scum the previous ones. This was before the revolution under the kings. And there is after the anti-revolution. Therefore irremovable fears and amends the constitution))

[Clerk]

This note is a complete document on many pages. Why it is called a note, I do not know. But I can’t bring it in the comments - the site administration will not approve articles in the comments.

Quote: V.I.P.

Well, those who came to power scum the previous ones. This was before the revolution under the kings. And there is after the anti-revolution.

That document is dated the 88th year. Khrushchev condemned Stalin and his minions during the debunking of the personality cult.

Quote: V.I.P.

Therefore irremovable fears and amends the constitution))

What's wrong with that amendment when those who have not lived in our country for 25 years cannot enter the civil service? And in the defense of traditional family values: when "dad" is "dad" and "mom" is "mom", but in no way "parent # 1" and "parent # 2" with gay sex? And in order not to give our territories to anyone else on any grounds?

[V.I.P.]

These amendments simply mask the main one, for the sake of which everyone started a business and spent zeroing the deadlines. Well, those amendments that complicate impeachment and prosecution of the former president .... And they are obliged to treat children under the current constitution for free !!! Or the authorities do not consider them citizens of the country ???.

[Revival]

And what, without amendments, will continue to distribute land?
That is, only amendments will interfere? So again correct as it should

[Revival]

Yes, it's not me changing it as I want and when I want

[hohkn]

Quote: Altona

In the same 1993, the White House was "peacefully" shot from tanks. This in your assessments is evident from the other side of good and evil.

And what does the same SOBR have to do with it, and the rest of the Russian Guard units?
The shooting of the building of the Supreme Soviet on the conscience of the Taman and Kantemirovsk divisions belonging to the Ministry of Defense. And from the Ministry of Internal Affairs (at that time) there was only "Vityaz" near the building of the Supreme Soviet, which did not storm the building.

[Clerk]

Quote: clerk

it does not give you the right to restrict their rights and incite social discord

There are a number of cases where this is permitted by law. I would like to hear more about social discord!

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

There are a number of cases where this is permitted by law. I would like to hear more about social discord!

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Of course, if this law does not suit, then, as Sharapov said in the famous film, you can make a brush out of the law. Yes, I am also not satisfied with the views of the protesters, but nevertheless, this does not justify the use of fascist methods, if about social discord.
PS KPRF is not involved in the events of 1993, about which you write. These were the performances of Anpilov's "Labor Russia". In addition, during that period there was a power vacuum caused by the actions of Yeltsin with his new Constitution and other things.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

Of course, if this law does not suit, then, as Sharapov said in the famous film, you can make a brush out of the law.

There is a category of citizens who do not accept laws in any form - they prefer the "thieves' move" and "concepts" more.

[Revival]

Yeah, we don’t throw drugs on order ..
True just once ... publicly

[Cyrus]

Well, libshiza ... regularly, what now hang you or what?

[Revival]

And so law enforcement can, well then there are no questions

[sgapich]

Quote: Revival

... True, just once ... publicly ...

Do you mean Golunov?
My personal opinion: what was discovered during his time belonged to him personally. And for this he had to answer.

[Altona]

Quote: clerk

There is a category of citizens who do not accept any laws - they like their "concepts". He probably spoke in relation to this category?

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When Chechens beat a police sergeant in the Moscow metro, who stood up for a girl, where is the Russian Guard? When the Kadyrovites humiliate the servicemen of the Russian Federation by putting them on the side of the truck, where is the Russian Guard? And Rosgvardia in our country should only drive dissenting "liberal" youth, which we ourselves raised and brought up. Bad, good, what it is. Young people who don't care about police. And about the "non-deposit". In Ukraine, virtual events were held on May 9, so I don't need to draw enemies here from scratch. We have more than one carriage of our Krasnov and Vlasovites to Siberia.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

When Chechens beat a police sergeant in the Moscow metro who interceded for a girl, where is the Russian Guard?

There was already one such, some kind of boxing champion.

Quote: Altona

When the Kadyrovites humiliate the military personnel of the Russian Federation by putting them at the side of the truck, where is the Rosguard?

They have already started peddling for this.

Quote: Altona

And Rosgvardia in our country should only drive dissenting "liberal" youth, which we ourselves raised and brought up.

You can see what you teach young people - "this uncle is bad, this one is bad, and I am good. Now go and get a kick!"

Quote: Altona

In Ukraine, virtual events were held by May 9, so I don’t need to draw enemies from scratch here.

And where I said that there are all our enemies there, in fact, there are pro-Russian minded people.

[Clerk]

Quote: Altona

The Communist Party is not involved in the events of 1993, about which you write. These were the performances of Anpilov's "Labor Russia"

But what about the "Unity" - consisting of representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the faction "Fatherland" - the military and the radical communists, the group of deputies "Russia" headed by Baburin and consisting of communist and nationalist parties? And the "Agrarian Union" was also in "Unity"!

Quote: Altona

In addition, at that time there was a vacuum of power,

There was a dual power at that time, when not only the USSR, but even the RSFSR disappeared into oblivion - the RF was already there - but the USSR constitution and governing bodies of the RSFSR (House of the Supreme Council) still remained. And they (the Supreme Council) did not like very much that Russia would go further without them.

Quote: Altona

this does not justify the use of fascist methods,

What are you talking about? Did someone cut out pieces of meat from their bodies with crooked daggers or burned their eyes with coals?

[Snarkxnumx]

This is when most of the protesters had passports unbroken? .You have to say this ... This is darkness ...
Apparently you have had changes that cannot be cured ....

[Clerk]

You probably organized access control there?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Maybe we should remind you of the 93rd event in Moscow, when the so-called. "Peaceful demonstration" of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the Garden Ring crushed the units of the Interior Ministry and the police, and then, taking possession of their weapons and trucks, set off to storm the Ostankino television center?

Can you recall the words of Shoigu that the police in the old square had only four PMs, and therefore he gave out a thousand assault rifles at the request of Gaidar?

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Can you recall the words of Shoigu that the police in the old square had only four PMs, and therefore he gave out a thousand assault rifles at the request of Gaidar?

So the fact that the Communists seized the weapons of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by force is normal, in your opinion, and the fact that in response to this, militia supporters of Yeltsin were given weapons - is that bad?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

It means that the Communists took possession of the weapons of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by force.

Where did you get this from?

[Clerk]

The trucks of the VV MVD and weapons were seized from the crushed and disarmed police units and the VV MDV from the Garden Ring.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

The trucks of the VV MVD and weapons were seized from the crushed and disarmed police units and the VV MDV from the Garden Ring.

Weapons were issued directly in the White House, there was its own weapons. Or Shoigu is lying about 4 PMa.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Weapons were issued directly in the White House, there was its own weapons. Or Shoigu is lying about 4 PMa.

The trucks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were also in the arms of the Supreme Council building? And RPG-7? But I didn’t know about the weapons in the building itself. However, this alone does not plead with the fact that the Communists were in arms. As well as not pleading the fact that the Communists handed out weapons to those who did not have the right to carry and use them.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Were the trucks in the arms of the Supreme Council building too?

Trucks are state owned. The Supreme Council and their supporters considered themselves legitimate authority. About where the RPGs are from - not in the know. If the Supreme Council had won this confrontation, now there would have been completely different alignments.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Trucks are state owned.

The trucks were "squeezed" from the Interior Ministry units from the Garden Ring. They even had their symbols on them.

Quote: Mordvin 3

The Supreme Council and their supporters considered themselves legitimate authority.

Note - the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, which was no longer, but was the Russian Federation. Even the Communist Party was not the Communist Party, namely that the Communist PartyRF.

Quote: Mordvin 3

If the Supreme Council had won this confrontation, now there would have been completely different alignments.

Here I agree with you.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

and there was the Russian Federation

Is it right that the trinity in Belovezhskaya Pushcha dismissed the USSR, spitting on the referendum of the 91st year?

Quote: clerk

The trucks were "squeezed" from the Interior Ministry units from the Garden Ring. They even had their symbols on them.

I repeat once again. At that time, the Supreme Council considered itself a legally elected government, so who has deprived anyone of what is a moot point.

[Clerk]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Is it lawful that the trinity in Belovezhskaya Pushcha dismissed the USSR, spitting on the referendum of the 91st year

And which of the leaders of the Union republics was worried about the results of the 91st referendum? Moreover, Gorbachev even worked on the results of the referendum - I already mentioned to you about "SS_Sovereign_R" and "SSG". Only no one needed it. And for someone - Russia - and it is territorially harmful.

By the time the "trinity from Bialowieza" signed their treaty, almost all the republics of the USSR had openly declared their independence from it. The USSR no longer existed in fact. This contract was a kind of legal divorce and death certificate.

Quote: Mordvin 3

I repeat once again. At that time, the Supreme Council considered itself a legally elected government, so who has deprived anyone of what is a moot point.

Well, I’ll also repeat to you that this was a government body of a state that has already been defunct for a couple of years, which, moreover, did not dissolve itself and did not obey the demand for dissolution.

[carstorm 11]

and now the question is, after that, did you see many cases of pogroms from the side you saw?) they suddenly became quiet for many years. As for the right to rally, approx. and now let's imagine that everyone wants to hold rallies anywhere and anytime. I’ve been walking with my daughter when the crowd extras suddenly suddenly for some reason decided that it was cool to walk around the Arbat. Have you seen how they walked there? but I saw it. there is nothing good about it. I had to quickly take the child away so that whatever happens. what about my rights eh? but there are still options. some ki will bring simple explosive packages and panic. what then will the crowd do know? and she can’t be stopped. and what do you think is better to prepare for trouble or then bulging your eyes order to try to restore? and that the funniest thing to happen is that you are on the WG and you will drive the wave. that made it like that.

[Revival]

Well, yes, that's right, that's it, under the good pretext of your peace, we will forbid everything, otherwise it will not work.
But, if suddenly a meeting is approved, then everything is possible, such a meeting is immediately useful.
Double standards, yes no, of course ...

[carstorm 11]

who said to ban? there are always civilized options. approve ensure the safety of people and rally even before stupefaction.

[Revival]

A rally criticizing the official, only with the permission of the official, but you will give a lot of praise, the golden formula, the main thing is to put it into the law and prohibit everything according to the law.

[carstorm 11]

This is a normal formula. or get vests like in Paris.

[Revival]

And of course, to ban everything and normal logic ..
Well then, there are no questions.
It’s foolish for us to discuss the rights of people if you deny that people have rights.

[Revival]

They always vote that in the United States they’ll shoot for a plastic cup, not that everything is soft with us.

Here, for example,
(Russian newspaper May 1, 2020) In Michigan, quarantine protesters seize the local capitol
Several hundred residents of the American state of Michigan seized the local capitol in protest against the quarantine imposed by the authorities, The Guardian reports. Reportedly, people with weapons were seen among the audience. "
Trump called on the governor to make concessions to the protesters.
What do you think, an agreed rally?

[Starosta]

What is true is true. In the US, police have the right to open fire to kill if they feel a danger to themselves.

The USA is a different country with its own laws and culture. Their orders are not applicable to ours.

[Revival]

Yeah, it’s very convenient to refer loudly only to the retirement age, and how to help people to provide or something like that there is such a mentality there, and it doesn’t suit us at all ...

[Cyrus]

No, you can’t, the gut is thin, it’s only capable of carrying nonsense on the Internet, you still haven’t indicated what kind of arbitrariness, which means you are a chatterbox.

[Revival]

The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

[Revival]

Grandchild's welfare must be protected

[Cyrus]

You need to save your remaining brains, otherwise almost everything has already leaked.

[Revival]

Hi little hamlo, don't be sick

[Incvizitor]

It depends on what, if with a good body kit is normal.

[gcn]

Army military weapons. A set of shops, a cleaning tool, warranty service can add lights, sights, handles, pbs. We don’t know that we bought a bare barrel or a complete body kit for the kit. On a citizen, you buy everything separately and it’s not cheaper.

[Aviator_]

on ROC "Body kit"

It’s a very speaking name for this OCD, for some reason, the workers of the counter are immediately remembered.

[Zaurbek]

AK400 IT'S ABOUT WHAT?

[Pavlik K.]

USM like ak12, sight-front sight like ak102-105, barrel cover. like aks74u, folding telescope, any sights, grenades.

[Pvi1206]

everything secret, sooner or later, becomes apparent .... soon we will find out ...

[parkello]

I probably would have chosen a cartridge for the M43 ... in the usual, modernized performance. with a good DTK and "bells" for 72 rounds ... and I would add a tactical handle, obligatory)). 1 magazine on the machine and three on the side and on the belly. .and you can go against anyone ... even against the horned encores .. cartridges of all types are needed. I remember I also stuffed the tape and stuffed the first 5-7 tracers ... sometimes after one ... when the tape approached the last cartridges, the tracers glowed ... warned. Change the tape ... and after three tapes it was necessary to change the barrel again. and more .. who is interested in it? how grito can go with my opinion to one very interesting place ... where there is awl .. and the place of discovering adventures) and much more .. but for something like that in general, I went.))

[White AK]

Why, I put on my ak74m body kit from the anti-aircraft gun, forend and receiver cover, put a scope (pc, rare g), the captain came and forced to take it off, I tried to convince that there were no TTX changes and everything was within the law, but you’re the boss in our army we will not destroy, why should this machine if you put the handle or face make you remove it?

[parkello]

they cannot force me. and the AKC all that is needed is: the DTK, tactical pen, and the receiver cover, so that you wouldn’t go there, here .. now they put it. and nothing more, by and large, he doesn’t need. Well, high-capacity stores. at 72 I'm quite happy. 2 tambourines and the rest with carob stores of 30 rounds each. I’ll supplement the rest with a samovodov to the level that I would like. I did not try LTS. Yes, I do not need him. it’s better then a collimator. the main thing is that what ammunition is needed. from sighting, tracing to the MOH and BZT and armor-piercing .. and then mark each store with electrical tape. To know what to fasten .. and it happens. .a the usual two diamonds of 72 and enough .. well, you can still fill a couple or three of 30 and mark with a red ribbon. I on G-3 and on Fn so stuffed. one store of 18 rounds of ammunition was set only and put it deep under the armor plate .. if I find such grenades, it can come in handy. in the rest there are usually cartridges and there was a separate store, striped, there were only armor-piercing ones .. but they often shoot. the trunk into the trash can be uncracked. and who likes AK74 then ..on health ... at least golden. if the soul asks)

[Clerk]

Quote: parkello

tactical pencil

What kind of fashion is it like to keep Kalash like a Schmeiser? Kalashnikov himself was against this. Okay, I’ll understand there if the fore-end is nicely pre-shaded that you can strip your hand about it — but why do it on a standard combined arms? This is not a light machine gun that is difficult to keep when firing automatic fire from the hip. Instead of a handle, we just held the machine in a biathlon style - under the store.

Quote: parkello

I on G-3 and on Fn so stuffed.

And where did you serve the fact that you came across HK G3 and FN (FAL? FN2000?). Hopefully not in the computer forces?

[parkello]

no, not in the computer ... he served in Greece, we have this main weapon after 1954 .. before that the M-1 guarantor was the main one. During the Korean War, all its shortcomings surfaced and as a necessary measure turned out to be FN phalo and G-3A3. and about the tactical handle .. well, you can say it is necessary with large-capacity stores .. the machine becomes heavier. and so if something, then you can rest it with a pen on a stone or a wall .. any emphasis. and if you shoot grenades, then it is necessary. and you do not need to pee your forend before shrinking. either put a bipod or a tactical handle. replace the cover, DTK and nothing else is needed. I shot grants with fn phallo..good thing, like a mortar. You can throw grenades through the house. Or directly into the trench. canopy ... we also have AK. but also as M-1 mainly in the warehouses. cartridges are different. and so you can request, request that would be issued. in this case, the cost of ammunition will have to pay. and provide spent cartridges to get new ones. so no one wants to toil with mura and lie in warehouses. and 308 Vin we have a single cartridge .. that a machine gun that a rifle. other M-1s are slightly longer. 63 mm in length, and the AK shorter, generally 39 m. Therefore, both are stored in warehouses, because there are no cartridges in production. need to purchase.

[Clerk]

But do AK and AKM with 7.62x39mm cartridges allow firing with rifle grenades?
So which is better? "Right hand of the free world" or good old "Kalash"?

[parkello]

if you load the blank into the store and on the condition that there will be a new DTK, sharpened precisely for this, as with the FN, then of course it is possible. I saw such compensators are now being massively produced, even for AK74M. as for the right hand .. of the "free" world, I will say this ... give me any rifle that I have already fired from ... and what is better there interests me little. FN is very accurate singles. The G-3 is not as accurate, but it has less detail and is easier to disassemble completely. and the AK is not as powerful as the G-3. Well, the cartridges are different .... I personally have enough power for my eyes. but it is me, I cannot speak for others either. others prefer 308 and 5.56. but I do not recognize the little thing. during firing, the AK would pierce a barrel of water right through .. and the one who was sitting behind the barrel would obviously not be lucky, and the M-4 (5,56 mm) pierces only from one side from the same distance. that's why I don't like them .. too ladies' caliber. but at the same time it has good flatness and accuracy. only they are not important to me. I need the machine gun to consume all types of bullets, both incendiary and armor-piercing .. do you understand? and who is interested in accuracy, let them take low-power 5,52 (45) and 5.56 mm

[Tagan]

Quote: Revival

Do not go
Do not say
Approve
Know your place
And you will be happy, right?

You are like Lenin in October. Live peacefully, and that’s it :)

[Tagan]

Quote: Revival

The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

He came up with it himself and took care. Rosguard, actually.

[Korax71]

Finally, the National Guard https://rosgvard.ru/не поленитесь перейти по данному адресу и удивитесь:росгвардия-это федеральная служба войск национальной гвардии Российской Федерации.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Korax71

Finally, the National Guard

Quote: Revival

The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

From the series: "I heard a ringing, but does not know where he is."

Troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation
Subordination
Rosguard (Rosguard is the central command and control body of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (VNG of Russia), created on the basis of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. It refers to state militarized organizations that have the right to acquire military weapons.)
Includes
The central office of the VNG of Russia.
Commands of the districts of the VNG Russia
- Units and military units of the operational purpose of the VNG of Russia,
- Special motorized units and military units of the VNG of Russia,
- Units and military units for the protection of important state facilities and special cargoes of the VNG of Russia,
- Units and military units of special purpose and intelligence of the VNG of Russia,
- Aviation military units of the VNG of Russia,
- Naval military units of the VNG of Russia,
- Military units and institutions providing the VNG of Russia,
- Medical facilities of the VNG of Russia,
- Cultural institutions of the VNG of Russia,
- Educational institutions of the VNG of Russia.
Territorial bodies of the VNG of Russia:
- Special quick reaction units of the VNG of Russia.
- Mobile special forces of the VNG of Russia.
- Special Forces Center for Rapid Response and Aviation of the VNG of Russia,
- Departments of private security of the VNG of Russia,
- Licensing and permitting units of the VNG of Russia

[Korax71]

Bob there is such a thing: Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 30.09.2016, 510 No. XNUMX "On the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation". There is no such thing as "Rosguard" in it. It is mentioned in the regulation on the FSVNG RF, as a second name. what do you like.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Korax71

it is mentioned in the regulations on the FSVNG of the Russian Federation, as a second name. then anyone really likes it.

Exactly.

In accordance with the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated April 5, 2016 No. 157, the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation (Rosguard) was established.

The Russian Guard is a federal executive body that exercises the functions of formulating and implementing state policy and legal regulation in the field of activity of the national guard forces of the Russian Federation (further - national guard troops ), in the field of arms trafficking, in the field of private security activities and in the field of private security.

Type: Ivan Ivanovich, hereinafter referred to as the "Customer".
But it's not about rivets. It's about

Quote: Revival

The National Guard, when one name is enough ..

What does it mean? Like: ugh? Or like: Revival, when one name is enough? Shout from the bushes: "Kazly cops" and headlong, with a heart sinking with sweet horror, run to the caches behind the garages, brag about your "feat" in front of the same "heroes"?
Though Ros, even Nat, but these are the Internal Troops. Whatever you call it. They were, are and will be. ALL and ALWAYS. Although the "police" State, though not.

[Revival]

Generally the National Guard.
Law chtoli take a look, even the name ..

[Tagan]

Quote: Revival

Well, yes, that's right, that's it, under the good pretext of your peace, we will forbid everything, otherwise it will not work.
But, if suddenly a meeting is approved, then everything is possible, such a meeting is immediately useful.
Double standards, yes no, of course ...

You have double standards. Why do not you squeal that in Germany the protesters were given snot "for nothing"?

[GLUHOI]

https://youtu.be/VdxqEyNNlzE

[GLUHOI]

https://youtu.be/VdxqEyNNlzE

[Revival]

(Russian newspaper 28.04.2020 12:02).
Shooting ranges in the US opened contrary to quarantine
A group of activists for the right to use weapons in the US in a judicial proceeding has opened shooting ranges in spite of the quarantine introduced in the country. According to The Hill, previously firearms in Virginia sued the local governor, who banned all non-vital enterprises, including shooting galleries, during the coronavirus epidemic.
The defendant was the head of Virginia Ralph Northam. He was accused of violating his constitutional rights and won this process.
By decision of the state judge, the Virginia shooting range will now work even during the COVID-19 pandemic, as local authorities cannot violate the basic rights of American citizens. In particular, we are talking about the second amendment to the country's constitution guaranteeing the right to arms to US citizens.

[vadivm59]

here is the AK divorced any series! and "black" and the 100th, and the 200th, and the 400th. and the new 12,15, maybe there are still some. I personally have already stopped following the AK's new products. You can go crazy.

[Tagan]

Quote: Korax71

Finally, the National Guard https://rosgvard.ru/не поленитесь перейти по данному адресу и удивитесь:росгвардия-это федеральная служба войск национальной гвардии Российской Федерации.

Actually, the Rosguard. What is the main official name? Not the National Guard. This is visible to the naked eye. And from the same site name in particular.

[Revival]

By decree of the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Of April 5, 2016, No. 157, "Issues of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation" in order to ...

[Revival]

The name of the site is not an official name ..
So in the law, the National Guard

[Comrade Michael]

I think this structure will be reduced soon, and the money will be given to the real armed forces. And that will be right. Yes, and officials need to be reduced at times, there is not enough money for weapons programs.

[Comrade Michael]

We are a poor country. And our economic crisis will be severe. In such quantities, these structures are not needed. I think they will not be able to give a full rebuff to the real riots and will not be able to withstand a real armed and trained enemy. And here neither a beautiful uniform, nor new machine guns with grenades will help .... Against unarmed peasants this is too much, against an armed enemy this is the last century. I do not see any benefit in such a numerous structure. Money must be invested in a real, full-fledged army. I could be wrong, but we have more gendarmes of all kinds per unit of civilian population than in France or Italy. Do you seriously believe that conscripts of the Russian Guard will be able to stop riots without firearms? And the use of a firearm will entail an avalanche of other problems. In my opinion, it's all just just on the paper of the authorities ... But in life porridge turns out ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Comrade Michael

I think this structure will be reduced soon, and the money will be given to the real armed forces. And that will be right. Yes, and officials need to be reduced at times, there is not enough money for weapons programs.

Come on. Vovan were always - under the Empire, and under Soviet rule, and in "democratic Russia". Only the signs are changing - the internal guards, gendarmes, internal troops, now - the Russian Guard.

In blessed Soviet times, when power seemed to be people's, VV had its own tanks, its own artillery and its own aviation. And three dozen divisions.

[Comrade Michael]

There is little sense from them. And they are not needed in such quantity. A normal army is needed, and they are only for the protection of objects. A waste of money tanks and artillery and aviation for them. But they do not fight terrorists anyway, but specialists are normal. And what, did they save the USSR? Or did they manage in Chechnya without an army?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Comrade Mikhail

A normal army is needed, and they are only for the protection of objects.

The army does not have the right to be used on the territory of the country without declaring a state of emergency (this was done to avoid attempts to use army units in internal political squabbles). In fact, the same Chechen campaigns were to be carried out exclusively by the forces of the explosives.
In addition, the army has excessive firepower to operate on its own territory, and the tactic of "sprinkling with chalk" on its own population is somehow not particularly desirable.

Quote: Comrade Mikhail

But they do not fight terrorists anyway, but specialists are normal.

They don’t fight at all? And then who is working on the UK now? Really one FSB with its scanty forces? Or an army to which it is generally prohibited?

Quote: Comrade Mikhail

And what, did they save the USSR?

From a lot of blood? Yes. If not for explosives, then in the national republics of the blood would be even more.

[tolmachiev51]

Directly bursting with pride for our "guard" -will be snickering at the people of the 200 series. What a "caring" leadership in the country.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tolmachiev51

Directly bursting with pride for our "guard" -will be snickering at the people of the 200 series. What a "caring" leadership in the country.

Oh, one more sympathizer for the bearded children.

[Tagan]

Quote: tolmachiev51

Directly bursting with pride for our "guard" -will be snickering at the people of the 200 series. What a "caring" leadership in the country.

Watching whom you call people. If you mean hamadryl with inverted eyes, arranging provocations and smashing everything in its path, then let it be fun. These fascists / extremists, oh, sorry, the liberal public (people, in your opinion) should know their place. ;)

[Super]

Good news! Work brothers!