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Why Stalin did not go to defeated Berlin

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To visit the capital of the defeated enemy and enjoy the triumph of the winner - what could be more pleasant for the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the army, who won the four-year bloody war? But Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin never went to Berlin, although in Germany he was forced to visit the same victorious forty-fifth.


Conference in Potsdam


On July 17, 1945, just over two months after the Great Victory and a month after the parade on Red Square, the Potsdam Conference began in Germany, in which the heads of the victorious countries took part. Although the Soviet leader was not a big fan of visits and rarely traveled anywhere, the Potsdam Conference could not do without his presence. Stalin went to Germany. On July 15, 1945, a train left the Belorussky Train Station, in which Joseph Stalin was the main passenger.

To ensure the safe passage of the Soviet leader to the country that had recently fought with the USSR, unprecedented security measures were taken. Stalin traveled to Germany by rail, which required special attention to the organization of his protection.

The armored train on which the Soviet leader rode consisted of several armored saloon cars, a staff car, a security car, a restaurant car, a food car, a car garage with two armored Packards and two platforms on which anti-aircraft installations were placed. There were 80 state security officers in the staff who provided security for the leader, and in all, 17 soldiers and officers and 1515 operational workers were involved in measures to ensure the safe passage of the Soviet leader.

In Potsdam, Stalin and his entourage settled in the Cecilienhof Palace in the elite village of Neubabelsberg, where the conference was held. The small town of Potsdam, the capital of the federal state of Brandenburg, is located just 20 kilometers southwest of Berlin. Even then, 20 kilometers was not a distance: half an hour's drive - and here it is, the capital of the defeated Third Reich. It would seem, who, if not Stalin, should come first to Berlin and see for himself the victory over the worst enemy of the Soviet state?


Enjoying destruction is not in the character of Stalin


Meanwhile, the Potsdam Conference is also called Berlin. Of course, the meeting of the leaders of the victorious states was to take place in the capital of Germany. But Berlin during its assault by Soviet troops suffered too much damage. There was simply nowhere to hold an event of such a level, as well as nowhere to place high-ranking conference participants.

In addition, Berlin was more dangerous than in small Potsdam. But holding a conference is one thing and another is a short trip, even for a few hours, in order to take a look at the defeated city. Winston Churchill and Harry Truman, having flown to Germany, individually traveled to Berlin and examined the capital of the Third Reich lying in ruins.

Stalin did not inspect the ruined Berlin. He could see the city only while traveling from the Berlin station to Potsdam. But he refused a special tour of the German capital. Now we can assume several reasons for this failure. The first, of course, is the big risks that would accompany this walk. Yet two and a half months ago, fights were fought in Berlin, the city might not have been completely cleared of those staunch Nazis who wished to continue to resist the victors.

But, most likely, the second reason is more likely: Stalin arrived in Potsdam to solve the problems of the post-war world, and not indulge in vain thoughts on the ruins of the German capital. Moreover, Soviet cities were also in ruins. Nothing good was that Berlin was destroyed, Stalin did not see, he was worried about other problems: how to restore the affected cities of the Soviet Union, how to maintain acquired control over Eastern Europe. And this behavior very distinguished the Soviet leader from the same Adolf Hitler, who, as soon as German troops captured Paris in June 1940, rushed to inspect the defeated French capital.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 10 May 2020 05: 40 New
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    rebuild the affected cities of the Soviet Union

    Correctly ! Which was done, as soon as possible.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 10 May 2020 05: 56 New
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      Stalin was an intelligent man! And smart people generally do not boast of themselves.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 May 2020 07: 00 New
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        Why Stalin did not go to defeated Berlin

        The author himself asked a question, and he himself answered him:

        Enjoying destruction is not in the character of Stalin
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 10 May 2020 07: 05 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Why Stalin did not go to defeated Berlin

          The author himself asked a question, and he himself answered him:
          Enjoying destruction is not in the character of Stalin

          Good article! An interesting historical nuance.
          The author asked a historically interesting and relevant question about Stalin and gave him a completely logically correct and therefore reliable answer.
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            1. BARKAS
              BARKAS 10 May 2020 07: 46 New
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              The ruins of the Reichstag, Stalin was quite satisfied without visiting Berlin. Now it was no longer up to Germany that there was enough business at home.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 10 May 2020 08: 45 New
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                Quote: BARKAS
                Now it was no longer up to Germany

                Just the question of Germany was one of the main issues on the agenda of the Potsdam Conference and of many subsequent negotiations. But they could not decide until the 1990th.
                1. Range
                  Range 10 May 2020 23: 49 New
                  +3
                  Yes, and now they have not decided. There are many contradictions between East and West Germany - a completely different mentality.
                  1. Armored beast
                    Armored beast 12 May 2020 01: 23 New
                    -1
                    And who created this mentality from 1945 to 1990?
            2. About 2
              About 2 12 May 2020 01: 40 New
              0
              On the eve of Victory Day, TV grew up and Zhukov managed to cheat with a film with "facts" collected from the public, the new government new false morality.
              1. novel66
                novel66 12 May 2020 08: 55 New
                +2
                he beat himself
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 10 May 2020 17: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Insurgent
          The author himself asked a question, and he himself answered him:

          Was ... But passing through.
      2. Walrus fang
        Walrus fang 10 May 2020 12: 26 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        Stalin was an intelligent man! And smart people generally do not boast of themselves.

        Exactly the same cult, as Simonov put it: “There was a cult, but there was a personality ..” And as Stalin said, I am Russian, of Georgian origin !!!

        With the Great Victory, comrades, at the head of Stalin!
        These are the things Tatyana is our clever hi love
        1. cost
          cost 10 May 2020 14: 36 New
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          Walrus Fang: as Simonov put it, "There was a cult, but there was a personality.

          These words are not Simonov, but M. Sholokhov. He uttered them in an interview in 1958 in Sweden when he was nominated for the Nobel Prize.
          By the way, then he did not receive it. And he received it only in 1965, after in 1964, the French writer and philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre refused the Nobel Prize in literature. In his statement, in addition to personal reasons for refusing the prize, he also indicated that the Nobel Prize had become the “western highest cultural institution” and expressed regret that the prize was not awarded to Sholokhov and that “the only Soviet work that received the prize was a book published abroad and banned in his native country "
          1. Astra wild
            Astra wild 10 May 2020 18: 19 New
            +4
            Dmitry "Rich", you are an informed person. I had no idea that these were the words of Sholokhov.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 11 May 2020 11: 38 New
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              Faith! I wrote to you about these words of Sholokhov!
              1. Astra wild
                Astra wild 13 May 2020 16: 56 New
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                Sorry, but I forgot. My hands didn’t reach the tablet, but to remember the quotes you have too good opinions about my person.
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild 10 May 2020 18: 14 New
          +5
          Walrus fang, do you think: would Stalin like to be attributed to someone else's words?
          Unfortunately, there is a lot of nasty things on the Internet, and using the images of the leaders of the revolution to say all nonsense is blasphemy! Somewhere I saw a condom advertisement portrait of Lenin. This is not the top of decency
        3. Astra wild
          Astra wild 10 May 2020 18: 25 New
          +3
          Walrus Fang, Have you read The Living and the Dead for a long time? I read a long time ago, but I noticed Simonov's hidden anti-Stalinism.
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 11 May 2020 04: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: Astra wild
            Walrus Fang, Have you read The Living and the Dead for a long time? I read a long time ago, but I noticed Simonov's hidden anti-Stalinism.

            It’s not even hidden, but quite obvious.
        4. fider
          fider 11 May 2020 09: 24 New
          +3
          Walrus
          "With the Great Victory, comrades, at the head of Stalin!"
          I am amazed at illiteracy! Led by Stalin.
      3. iouris
        iouris 10 May 2020 22: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Tatiana
        Stalin was an intelligent man!

        Almost everyone on this forum can say this about himself.
        I.V. Stalin was a brilliant leader. The authority of "Marshal Stalin" was unconditionally recognized, for example, by such outstanding leaders of the UN founding states as F. D. Roosevelt, W. Churchill, de Gaulle, Chiang Kai-shek, Mao-Dzedun.
        And how he was a “man”, only those who spoke with him know this.
        And the question asked in the title is meaningless. The fact of traveling anywhere is not a criterion. Great people do not need cheap PR. However, let me remind you that the director Gelovani produced the movie "The Fall of Berlin" in which Stalin visits Berlin, so the Soviet people were sure that Stalin went to Berlin. In addition, the Potsdam Conference was held in Potsdam, i.e., well, very close to Berlin, almost a suburb.
      4. ser56
        ser56 11 May 2020 21: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Tatiana
        And smart people generally do not boast of themselves.

        that is why he was so glorified in the USSR during his reign? bully
    2. Walrus fang
      Walrus fang 10 May 2020 12: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      rebuild the affected cities of the Soviet Union

      Correctly ! Which was done, as soon as possible.

      It is on the enthusiasm of the Soviet people! And the scale of the restoration was grandiose .. The result of the first man launched into space !!!!! No country in the world has been able to make such a breakthrough .. hi The same China with their economy and money .. Yes, and the United States on our manned spacecraft still fly to the ISS!
      1. iouris
        iouris 11 May 2020 18: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Walrus Fang
        It is on the enthusiasm of the Soviet people!

        Yes, there was enthusiasm. Probably. But not everyone and everyone, so do not overestimate this factor. Resource and organizational support also have "some" meaning. Watch the film "Chairman" in which the main role was played by M. Ulyanov. There is a moment and enthusiasm in it: "Well, grandmothers, close your ears!"
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 10 May 2020 06: 19 New
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    To ensure the safe passage of the Soviet leader to the country that had recently fought with the USSR, unprecedented security measures were taken. Stalin traveled to Germany by rail, which required special attention to the organization of his protection.

    The armored train on which the Soviet leader rode consisted of several armored saloon cars, a staff car, a security car, a restaurant car, a food car, a car garage with two armored Packards and two platforms on which anti-aircraft installations were placed. There were 80 state security officers in the staff who provided security for the leader, and in all, 17 soldiers and officers and 1515 operational workers were involved in measures to ensure the safe passage of the Soviet leader.

    And what prevented, so as not to spend such crazy resources, to fly by airHow did the same Americans and Angles do it?
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 10 May 2020 07: 20 New
      +3
      possibly security concerns
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 May 2020 07: 23 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        possibly security concerns

        on the land where the war has just passed, I think there are many more dangers: look at the armored train, etc.
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 10 May 2020 07: 26 New
          +2
          What do you think is how difficult it is to hide the heels of aircraft and arrange an attack and to bring down a transport aircraft is much easier than an armored train
          1. Avior
            Avior 10 May 2020 09: 40 New
            -1
            It is impossible if he flies under the protection of a pair of four fighter jets
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 10 May 2020 10: 52 New
              +2
              like two fingers, four planes tied a couple in battle and one stupidly shot a vehicle, even if only a 50% probability of success is an unjustified risk, and given that attackers ALWAYS have an advantage due to surprise, then 50 calmly grow to 70-90
              1. Avior
                Avior 10 May 2020 13: 39 New
                +5
                For this need in squadron, knowledge of the route and time
                And everything should be on the first try
                Unreal
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 10 May 2020 13: 43 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Avior
                  For this need in squadron, knowledge of the route and time
                  And everything should be on the first try
                  Unreal

                  Well, in Tehran they knew there would be a desire, and neglecting even a small opportunity is the height of stupidity
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 10 May 2020 13: 45 New
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                    In Tehran, it was known about the attempt of the Germans
                    And after the war, another thing, no one already
                    1. Barmaleyka
                      Barmaleyka 10 May 2020 14: 36 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Avior
                      And after the war, another thing, no one already

                      are you serious right now? !!!
                      this is after the plans of the "allies" to attack the USSR, as they say, without leaving the box office
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 11 May 2020 14: 07 New
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                        What are the plans?
                      2. Barmaleyka
                        Barmaleyka 11 May 2020 14: 10 New
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                        Quote: Avior
                        What are the plans?

                        ??!
                        this is a joke?
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 11 May 2020 17: 07 New
                        +1
                        I know about Churchill’s ridiculous inconceivable plan, which he tried to develop secretly not only from the Allies, but even from his headquarters, and which he himself called
                        "A preliminary sketch of the fact that, I hope, is still a purely hypothetical probability" and his own analysts immediately pointed out the stupidity and unrealizability of this plan to him, but so that the Allies could together develop a serious plan of attack on the USSR immediately after the end of the war, I never heard of this , therefore, I asked.
            2. albert
              albert 11 May 2020 13: 35 New
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              Quote: Avior
              For this need in squadron, knowledge of the route and time
              And everything should be on the first try

              Admiral Yamamoto disagrees with you.
              1. Avior
                Avior 11 May 2020 14: 08 New
                -1
                During the war, and after the war, quite the same
        2. siog2009
          siog2009 10 May 2020 12: 14 New
          +4
          Failures of motors, equipment do not count? And then, did we have special boards for these purposes?
          1. Avior
            Avior 10 May 2020 13: 39 New
            +3
            Yes they were
            High altitude flight gear
            Molotov England flew in the midst of war
            1. ser56
              ser56 11 May 2020 21: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              Molotov England flew in the midst of war

              Yes, and ITT flew to Tehran ...
      2. ser56
        ser56 11 May 2020 21: 37 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        what do you think how difficult it is to hide the heels of aircraft

        and also an airfield, a radar for guidance, spies in Moscow - so that the time and route are reported ... not cool? fool
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 07: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      on the land where the war has just passed, I think there are many more dangers: look at the armored train, etc.

      During the war, the plane on which Stalin could supposedly be located was blown up.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 May 2020 07: 47 New
        +7
        Quote: Olgovich
        on the land where the war has just passed, I think there are many more dangers: look at the armored train, etc.


        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        During the war, the plane on which Stalin could supposedly be located was blown up.


        In Tehran, Stalin arrived by plane, and according to the flight navigator,
        Hero of the Soviet Union S.F. Ushakova, later Colonel General of Aviation, in Tehran and Iran in general, took unprecedented security measures:

        Throughout the work of the Tehran Conference, the capital of Iran was completely cut off from the outside world - except for the planes that delivered the meeting participants, the air service was stopped. Likewise, trains didn’t go either. All roads were blocked at the approaches to the city. The telegraph did not work in Tehran, radio broadcasts were stopped. Moreover, the Iranian border was closed along its entire length.


        Here, apparently, based on security capabilities, the ground route of the trip to defeated Germany was chosen ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 07: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          In Tehran, Stalin arrived by plane, and according to the flight navigator,
          Hero of the Soviet Union S.F. Ushakova, later Colonel General of Aviation, in Tehran and Iran in general, took unprecedented security measures:

          I read about this in the memoirs of Golovanov, the commander of the ADD.
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 10 May 2020 18: 16 New
            +4
            Recently, he accidentally stumbled upon a book by Golovanov in the library. I read it in one breath! What people were .. GREAT PEOPLE!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 May 2020 18: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              I read it in one go!

              For me, too, she became a revelation after the tons of dirt that piled on Stalin.
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 10 May 2020 20: 01 New
                +4
                As far as I heard, two people, Zhukov and Golovanov, firmly refused to slander Stalin under Khrushchev. Even K.K. Rokossovsky also refused.
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 11 May 2020 04: 25 New
                  +4
                  At the Plenum of the Central Committee on questions of the anti-party group, Zhukov talked a lot about the repressions and blamed Molotov, Malenkov, Kaganovich on them.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 10 May 2020 07: 38 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    And what prevented us from flying such crazy resources to fly by plane, as the same Americans and Angles did?

    Passing by train, even just looking out the window, it was possible to assess how much everything was destroyed in our country and in Europe. Accordingly, to draw conclusions what else can be required and what will need to be done IMHO
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 May 2020 07: 42 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    And what prevented us from flying such crazy resources to fly by plane, as the same Americans and Angles did?

    fool He is a dictator! And they are all on armored trains. repeat Hitler
    Hitler’s special train consisted of 15 cars: a Hitler’s car, an imperial press director’s car, a car with a communications center, two saloon cars and a bath car, two carriages for retinues and military units, two sleeping and two luggage cars, a security carriage and two armored sites with anti-aircraft quick-fire artillery mounts of 20 mm caliber, which had a telephone connection between themselves.
    Although they say that Hitler had a train with weak armor, is it worth trusting? Kim Chen In. repeat
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 10 May 2020 08: 34 New
    +4
    Maybe a person did not trust the planes, that such and such.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 10 May 2020 10: 15 New
      -7
      Quote: Deniska999
      Maybe a person didn’t trust airplanes that such and such

      I think that's the point
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 10 May 2020 12: 09 New
    -4
    Probably the fact that Churchill and Roosevelt would also probably have read the armored train, but for objective reasons it did not grow together.

    And on the battleship, Roosevelt would have sailed ...
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 10 May 2020 12: 23 New
    +4
    Stalin did not like to fly.
  • victor50
    victor50 10 May 2020 13: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    to fly by plane, as the same Americans and Angles did?

    And they had the opportunity to arrive by rail ?! lol
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 10 May 2020 17: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    And what prevented us from flying such crazy resources to fly by plane, as the same Americans and Angles did?

    Then He would not have been to Berlin.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 10 May 2020 22: 53 New
    +3
    Stalin did not like to fly by plane; he always traveled by train. His only flight was to the Tehran Conference, but otherwise there was no opportunity to get there.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 13 May 2020 08: 58 New
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      ... no one knows how Stalin ended up in Tehran ...
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  • Armored beast
    Armored beast 12 May 2020 01: 45 New
    +1
    That's right, Kim Jong-un is still riding an armored train. lol Probably knows something.
  • ver_
    ver_ 13 May 2020 08: 53 New
    -1
    ... this was prevented by his illness - paranoia .. He had never been at the front (unlike Hitler Churchill ..., had several doubles ...)
  • poddv1ktor
    poddv1ktor 13 August 2020 00: 13 New
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    Stalin did not tolerate the plane very well (according to data from Stalin's correspondence with Ink and Roosevelt).
    1. poddv1ktor
      poddv1ktor 13 August 2020 00: 16 New
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      I wrote with Ink, not Ink
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 10 May 2020 07: 14 New
    -1
    Why Stalin did not go to defeated Berlin

    Why, why? What a curious person you are. He asks, asks ... It’s better to tell me something interesting yourself.
    S.Ya. Marshak

    Why, for example, did Putin come to Syria in 2017? Declare victory over ISIS or something else? Didn't you announce a crushing defeat early?

    THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED ???
    1. Fat
      Fat 10 May 2020 11: 02 New
      -1
      And 7.01.2020 why did Putin fly to Damascus? Yuri Vasilyevich, why should Putin and 2017 be pulled by the ears?
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 10 May 2020 07: 27 New
    +1
    [quoteEnjoy the devastation is not in the character of Stalin
    ] [/ Quote]
    compare with the current government ...
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 10 May 2020 12: 11 New
      -3
      Is your city in ruins? City-forming homeless metal dopili? Pits on the roads - how after the bombing? Is the house falling apart before our eyes?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 10 May 2020 12: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Is your city in ruins? City-forming homeless metal dopili? Pits on the roads - how after the bombing? Is the house falling apart before our eyes?

        Are you in your right mind? In the twenty-eighth year of the creation of the “bright capitalist community”, did you want the cities to be in ruins? And what were the bombings? It wouldn’t be enough for houses to fall. So we have enough sloppiness with gas, without gas, holes in the entire roadway; you just need to go to YuoTube and dial the desired one.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 10 May 2020 14: 09 New
          -1
          I disdain to go into that garbage dump which YouTube has turned into.

          Well, if you build your knowledge of the current state of affairs in Russia on the basis of commercials on YouTube, what can we talk about?

          Yes, in the country a lot of things are not quite smooth, there are enough problems everywhere.

          Which one is wrong?
      2. victor50
        victor50 10 May 2020 13: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Is your city in ruins? City-forming homeless metal dopili? Pits on the roads - how after the bombing? Is the house falling apart before our eyes?

        How do you know? belay Very accurate description! love
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 10 May 2020 14: 10 New
          -2
          And what is this wonderful town called, and where is it located?
          1. victor50
            victor50 10 May 2020 21: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: AllBiBek
            And what is this wonderful town called, and where is it located?

            In Russia. What did you think? laughing ?Kirov region. It's nothing .. There are worse pictures
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 May 2020 08: 20 New
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    Great country - Great leader.
    The entire western part of the country, lying in ruins, quickly
    rebuilt, cards canceled
    1,5 years after such a war.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 May 2020 09: 55 New
    +8
    At present, a lot of politicians like to discuss I.V. Stalin. Especially on TV and in the media. They earn political points and fame for participating in the next TV shows and getting their medals for it. (I'm talking about politicians who give a negative assessment of the times of the reign of I.V. Stalin)
    Of course, Stalin will no longer be able to speak up in defense, present his arguments and present events honestly and objectively. The man has died. Why, why not cheaply promote on behalf of the leader who ruled the state during the most difficult years of his existence and who earned the authority of politicians such as Churchill and Roosevelt? At the same time and earn a pretty penny. But what did these “experts and political scientists” manage, what were they responsible for and what was the result of their activity ?. I am sure that the “result” is simple and unequivocal -: a summer house, a car, gold jewelry on my wife .. That's all ......
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 10 May 2020 11: 12 New
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    About Stalin's dislike of flying. In the 20s and 30s, he had seen enough of numerous air crashes, in which many party and business leaders perished. Stalin's cup of patience was filled with tragedy on September 5, 1933:
    September 5 at 9 o’clock. 20 minutes. south of Podolsk, near the Lopasnya station, the following were killed in an airplane accident: Deputy People's Commissariat for Industry, Head of the Main Directorate of the Aviation Industry, T. Baranov, Head of the Main Directorate of Civil Air Fleet, T. Goltsman, Director of Plant No. 22, S. Gorbunov, S. P ., deputy Commander of the Main Directorate of Civil Air Fleet, Comrade A. Petrov, Member of the Presidium of the State Planning Commission of the USSR, Comrade Zarzar V.A., Chief Pilot, Comrade I. Dorfman, Flight Mechanic N. Plotnikov, and Comrade B. M Baranov The government has granted personal pensions to the families of the victims.

    Stalin was then in Sochi and immediately wrote to Kaganovich: “It is necessary to prohibit, under pain of expulsion from the party, the flights of non-flight responders without the permission of the Central Committee. It is necessary to strictly enforce the ban and be sure to exclude the guilty, regardless of their faces.”

    The Politburo urgently compiled and approved with Stalin a list of posts whose owners lost their free flight rights - from members of the Central Committee to the heads of the main departments of the people's commissariats.

    So Stalin himself did not fly and did not let others risk his life once again.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 10 May 2020 12: 18 New
      +6
      Nevertheless, his son and a number of sons of his inner circle - were military pilots, and really fought. On a par with everyone.

      And this also characterizes the IVS not quite in the same vein in which they are trying to bring it to us.
  • veritas
    veritas 10 May 2020 11: 28 New
    +4
    And what was he to do there. He was already thinking about the future. The USSR needed to be restored.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 10 May 2020 12: 13 New
    +7
    Author:
    P P 'SЊSЏ RџRѕR "RѕRЅSЃRєRёR№
    The first, of course, is the big risks that would accompany this walk.

    That's right - security issues came first.
    But, most likely, the second reason is more likely: Stalin arrived in Potsdam to solve the problems of the post-war world, and not indulge in vain thoughts on the ruins of the German capital.

    And here, I think, you are mistaken, because Potsdam is the historical former capital of the Prussian electors. And Stalin chose this city on the basis of the symbolism that he forever ended the militaristic aspirations of the Germans by signing new agreements on the post-war world in a place so historically significant for the Germans. At least Stalin could not have known the history of our adversary, which means that his choice is more conscious than it seems at first glance.
  • Grafova Irina
    Grafova Irina 10 May 2020 13: 22 New
    +4
    Hitler went to Paris to look at the city, which was not damaged, at its beauty. In Berlin, there was nothing special to look at, except for the ruins. Consideration of this, except, perhaps, moral satisfaction, did not make much sense. Yes, and the risk, after all, existed.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 10 May 2020 15: 40 New
    +6
    Stalin was not conceited. He had the most difficult upcoming conference in history about the structure of the world (and how often did such a thing happen in history?), And this is a purely practical task, to which everything was subordinated: from a deep knowledge of the subjects discussed, to a physiological and psychological state and facial expressions. And Stalin defended and consolidated all his positions (where are the grateful Poles for 1/3 of the territorial increments?).
    And the fact that he did not climb onto the Raistag, did not utter historically instructive words ... Egorov and Kantaria, together with Chaldea, created this iconic image, and fixed it already - a soldier on the crown of a defeated enemy!
    Everyone can answer for himself: which person is more impressive both as an ally and as an adversary: ​​who is chatting, or who is doing?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 11 May 2020 14: 25 New
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      Everyone can answer for himself: which person is more impressive both as an ally and as an adversary: ​​who is chatting, or who is doing?
      Stalin wanted to make Germany an ally. It is not his fault that the traitor Gorbachev interrupted this successful process.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 10 May 2020 17: 08 New
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    Everything is very simple: Hitler the conqueror and the mystic. He longed to see the conquered territories, and Stalin was not going to conquer the "living space".
    The whole point is the fundamental difference between the Leninist ideology of CREATION and fascist-destruction
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 10 May 2020 17: 27 New
      +4
      ... Stalin was not going to conquer the "living space".

      Prally, I didn’t intend, but I won the floor of Europe, for which honor and glory, and universal gratitude, were won. It’s a pity that the “followers” ​​all fucked up.
  • Pavel Sogrin
    Pavel Sogrin 10 May 2020 17: 21 New
    +1
    Weird question. Berlin and Potsdam were literally close by, and the war in Berlin was well-known and what happened there, but not even that, but the fact that Stalin was already aged, which means that he understood and knew a lot. and life will make ......
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 May 2020 17: 56 New
    +2
    Stalin did not like to fly airplanes. Risks On the other hand, he did not leave Moscow even in November 41st, so he cannot be accused of personal cowardice.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 10 May 2020 18: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Quote: Olgovich
    And what prevented us from flying such crazy resources to fly by plane, as the same Americans and Angles did?

    fool He is a dictator! And they are all on armored trains. repeat Hitler
    Hitler’s special train consisted of 15 cars: a Hitler’s car, an imperial press director’s car, a car with a communications center, two saloon cars and a bath car, two carriages for retinues and military units, two sleeping and two luggage cars, a security carriage and two armored sites with anti-aircraft quick-fire artillery mounts of 20 mm caliber, which had a telephone connection between themselves.
    Although they say that Hitler had a train with weak armor, is it worth trusting? Kim Chen In. repeat

    And what about Ki Chem Eun? Did he inspect the armored train?
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 10 May 2020 20: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    ... Stalin was not going to conquer the "living space".

    Prally, I didn’t intend, but I won the floor of Europe, for which honor and glory, and universal gratitude, were won. It’s a pity that the “followers” ​​all fucked up.

    Clarification: Hitler was going to expand the millennium Reich, but the Soviet Union did not expand.
    In my opinion this is a significant difference.
    P
    S
    “It’s a pity that the“ followers “profaned everything 'there was a CONSCIOUS TRIENCY and, possibly, the deliberate murder of Stalin. I made this conclusion when I read Martirosyan. And this is much more serious than the stupidity of the leaders
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 11 May 2020 14: 22 New
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      Wow, how many minusculeers fled in the name of Stalin. Mongrel!
      1. Birch
        Birch 11 May 2020 14: 30 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        Wow, how many minusculeers fled in the name of Stalin. Mongrel!

        They will soon run away as soon as you pronounce Russia in a positive way ... There are already whole divisions of them! hi
        And our cause is right .. All the same! soldier
        They won’t kill everyone. No matter how much neolibers and other Zionists try
  • smaug78
    smaug78 10 May 2020 21: 04 New
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    Ilya Polonsky, not only is a tank analyst, he is also a subtle expert on the psychology of I.V. Stalin ...
  • iouris
    iouris 10 May 2020 22: 52 New
    +1
    Many former leaders of our state were not only in Berlin, but worked so well for Berlin that it is no longer clear who was defeated. Some never left for permanent residence. And after Stalin there were only worn-out boots, a jacket and a superpower.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 11 May 2020 09: 49 New
      +2
      Yes, you are right, with the restoration of capitalism there are no connections in evaluating the Victory and its perception by society more than enough. Curving, the bourgeois authorities are trying to connect the incompatible. One neighborhood of the White Guard and Vlasov flag, in victory parades, with the Red Banner of the socialist Power, which are worth. But it will pass, disappear with time. The new generation of bourgeois managers is not welcomed by the games of our current bonzes. They do not need to fasten the nation. The task of its lime and the remains to subordinate to the western master.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 11 May 2020 14: 20 New
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        They do not need to fasten the nation.
        Since the 91st, all these people have spread rot to the people and the country. What are you speaking about!
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 11 May 2020 15: 16 New
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          Putin and the company, quite sincerely, are trying to advance the idea of ​​victory in the Second World War and BB2 as a binding nation. Only it turns out not very. Everything seems beautiful, pompous, and in fact pronounced and made sometimes, like apartments by the last survivors, in the bacchanalia of profit, to veterans. But how to use opposite things that are not joined in sign. The victory of the Red Army and the Soviet People, under the leadership, and not otherwise, of the Bolshevik party over the bourgeois aggression of the West. Its main goal was to kill the communist idea and its main bearer of the USSR. Rob, it goes without saying. It is in geyrops in their blood, in the order of things, that their entire existence is built on expansion. First of all, erase, successfully developing, socialism. And what does our moneybags and the power serving them have to do with the victory of socialism over the bourgeois in 1945? Therefore, it turns out badly, farce and show. It will not work to build a fake ideology.
          I just peeked at the NTV discus about the poster, with a group of deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, about the banner of Victory - "They hoisted over the Reichstag, hoisted and over the Kremlin.
          When you equate Norkin, they say you equate the Russian Federation with a fascist state, a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (I don’t want to know my last name) began to mumble something, look for some excuses, instead of saying frankly the present burials the heirs of those who fought and defeated the Red Army.
          It is disgusting, not the Communists. Those who came out with this banner were not afraid of respect. Deputies’s crusts may not help either; a pocket state fool will deprive of impunity at the command of ATU. We’ll look at they will aggravate now, or they’ll worry about it.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 11 May 2020 15: 34 New
            +1
            Putin and company, sincerelyare trying to advance the idea of ​​Victory in WWII and BB2 as a holding nation together. Only it turns out not very.

            Are you serious about what I have highlighted in bold?
            And as for the Communist Party, I agree with you, it’s time for the party to take a clear and tough stance on this gang, which we naively call the state. In my opinion, this is how the state in our country ceased to exist with the shooting of the White House.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 11 May 2020 15: 49 New
              +1
              Yes, seriously. They still have a “scoop” and a subconscious fear that they will take everything away. They were formed during the power of the USSR and know what the system of real equality of citizens tastes like. From that and all these attempts of scrapings, a pathetic semblance, but still the presence of social programs. Those who are replacing are deprived of all this, by definition. They will cancel the entire social program as unnecessary to them, spontaneous riots will be drowned in blood.
              There is no doubt that the current bodies will execute the order. As an example, all the same video dated May 9 about the Communist deputies whom they tried to push into the bus, despite the ID shown.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 11 May 2020 15: 51 New
                +1
                Those who are replacing are deprived of all this, by definition. They will cancel the entire social program as unnecessary to them, spontaneous riots will be drowned in blood.

                I agree with these, and I myself constantly affirm that we may not have time to change the government to a popular one.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 11 May 2020 16: 04 New
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                  We must be in time!
                  Our Great October Socialist Revolution and the subsequent construction of the Great State of equal, working people are a unique phenomenon. In the history of petty-proprietary, selfish living, lackey allegiance to the owners, descendants of the bandyugan princes, barons, kings and their kodla, the inhabitants of the planet are not known. The current propagandists of bourgeois morality have no argument against this. The USSR is a community of equal, confident people tomorrow. One argument is a deficit, so again it’s about the stomach ... as they say, it doesn’t roll.
            2. vladcub
              vladcub 11 May 2020 19: 47 New
              +2
              Much earlier. At least since Stalin’s illness.
              Read: Martirosyan and the Kremlin. Then you will understand a lot
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 11 May 2020 20: 36 New
                +1
                I completely agree, Svyatoslav! Just in the framework of this discussion did not look so far. And in vain, however.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 11 May 2020 19: 42 New
            +1
            Once upon a time I say: this will continue until the ADEQUATE OPPOSITION LEADER appears. G. A. is least suitable for the role of leader of the opposition. Rather, he is a compromiser !!
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  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 May 2020 08: 56 New
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    A small but important historical detail.
  • Plate
    Plate 11 May 2020 12: 32 New
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    But how does enjoying your victory on the ruins of an enemy capital contradict the restoration of cities? No way. It’s better to say that Stalin simply didn’t want to, that's all. But it’s possible to write in one line, articles will not work out :)
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 11 May 2020 14: 18 New
      +1
      You are probably a plate for the second course.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 11 May 2020 14: 18 New
    +2
    Stalin thought how to make a loyal friend and ally out of a defeated enemy. And after all, he almost succeeded. GDR was closer and more reliable than all the countries of the Warsaw block. I think that even now, they recall the years of friendship between our countries.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 11 May 2020 14: 25 New
      +2
      Even as they recall, the problem of “Ozi” and “Carry” every year more and more distinctly, and the term “ostalgia” is heard.

      By the way, in East Germany and with the Arabs there are fewer problems, and the epidemiological one is much calmer. True, it is less densely populated, but even in percent per capita - the difference is visible.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 11 May 2020 14: 27 New
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        So the western tribesmen simply occupied, robbed and destroyed her.
    2. Plate
      Plate 11 May 2020 20: 34 New
      +1
      Yes, Wikipedia even has an article about it - "Ostalgia." It talks about nostalgic East Germans. But how would the creation of a faithful friend and ally be contradicted by a trip to Berlin to look at the red flag above the Reichstag?
  • faterdom
    faterdom 11 May 2020 15: 38 New
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    Quote: NordUral
    Everyone can answer for himself: which person is more impressive both as an ally and as an adversary: ​​who is chatting, or who is doing?
    Stalin wanted to make Germany an ally. It is not his fault that the traitor Gorbachev interrupted this successful process.

    He wanted or did not want, but the positions of the parties were as follows: the West is against the re-establishment of Germany in any form of statehood (position for this Conference). The idea is the complete de-industrialization of German lands, under the control of the "allies", their existence is only agricultural. Stalin did not share this point of view (he was for neutral Germany, non-aligned and under the collective control of the winners), but he could not push anything else against the united position of the West.
    But soon (four years later), the Western powers from their zones of occupation created the Federal Republic of Germany, impudently including West Berlin - we allocated the occupation zone there in the city taken by our troops by decision of Yalta. (We also did the same with Korea later - letting the overseas fox into the south of the peninsula there, the Americans didn’t notice with such scrupulous execution of the treaties - the promise of Hokkaido to us was blotted out)
    The hint was that it would be nice for us to get out of Germany altogether, and not to prevent the Germans from living under the wing of the Marshall Plan.
    In response, the GDR was created from our occupation zone, the Soviet Union began to invest in the restoration and development of which, for example, having forgiven many payments for reparations (at the same time for the "brotherly" Polish people)
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 May 2020 19: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Normal ok
    Quote: Astra wild
    Walrus Fang, Have you read The Living and the Dead for a long time? I read a long time ago, but I noticed Simonov's hidden anti-Stalinism.

    It’s not even hidden, but quite obvious.

    But Walrus Fang is not visible, perhaps he did not read this book?
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  • Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 11 May 2020 23: 28 New
    +1
    "arrived in Potsdam to solve the problems of the post-war world order, and not indulge in vain thoughts on the ruins of the German capital"
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 May 2020 23: 55 New
    +2
    Because Stalin was a figure of world scale however.
    And not Fedka from a neighboring yard ...
  • ager1751
    ager1751 12 May 2020 08: 19 New
    -4
    I was afraid to meet Ribbentrop there. He could remind him of August 39, secret protocols, the partition of Europe, the joint capture of Poland, Stalin's help to Germany with raw materials, food during the attack on France and Britain ... He could remind him of June 22, Stalin's personal mediocrity and miscalculation in assessing the pre-war situation .. . He didn’t want to remember it, he wanted to quickly forget.
  • Ragoz
    Ragoz 13 May 2020 00: 07 New
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    I.V. Stalin is not Putin, he thought more about his people and his country, about its restoration and the well-being of the people.
    Putin in his appeals paid much attention to families with children and doctors (which is very good), but not a word about specific assistance to the elderly pensioners locked in their homes without money and unable to go out to retire and to grocery stores without masks and gloves not small amounts for them.
    1. ANB
      ANB 14 May 2020 20: 19 New
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      . unable to go out for retirement

      Pensions have been transferring to the card for a long time, no need to go after them.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 13 May 2020 17: 57 New
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    [quote = ver _] ... his illness prevented this - paranoia .. He had never been at the front (unlike Hitler Churchill ..., had several doubles ...) [/
    It is possible that the doubles were in: Hitler, Churchill and Brezhnev. Somewhere on the net I saw that V.V. was already dead, and that was his double.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 17 May 2020 12: 40 New
    -1
    Hitler died in Berlin. Stalin had some kind of personal relationship with Hitler, perhaps he admired them somewhere and respected him. Stalin did not go to watch the ruined Berlin, so as not to stomp on the bones of his defeated opponent. Not in his character.
  • Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 19 May 2020 19: 01 New
    0
    There is a very interesting book - 'Stalin - the master of the Soviet Union,' by Yuri Mukhin. I advise everyone to read.
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 26 July 2020 11: 06 New
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    A man with dignity (Worthy Man) will not humiliate a defeated enemy, nor will he be touched by the defeat of the enemy! ...