Turkey intends to close access to Russian specialists to deployed S-400 air defense system

Russian experts will not have access to the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system deployed in Turkey. This was stated by the head of the Department of Defense Industry of Turkey Ismail Demir.

According to Demir, the Turkish military are deploying the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system acquired from Russia, some of its elements have already been commissioned. However, he did not specify which ones. He also did not name the timing of the final deployment of the anti-aircraft system.

The S-400 deployment process continues, and some systems have already been commissioned.

- said Demir.

At the same time, he emphasized that despite the Russian-Turkish agreement, which provides for the training of Turkish troops, as well as maintenance and support, Russian specialists will not have free access to the S-400 anti-aircraft system. Full access, according to Demir, will be available only to "Turkish companies and the Turkish Air Force."

Earlier, Ankara announced plans to deploy S-400 air defense systems in April 2020 and bring the system to full combat readiness by May-June of this year.

Recall that Russia supplied Turkey with four S-400 air defense divisions. Currently, the parties are discussing the terms of the additional supply of the Russian anti-aircraft system.

Comments

[pereselenec]

Turkey intends to close access to Russian specialists to deployed S-400 air defense system

The master is the master

[Teberii]

This was most likely done to soften relations in NATO, but then it will be seen when all the hype has subsided.

[Yar_Vyatkin]

Exactly. Application to mitigate the bubbling of various masses. Especially after the recent battles in Idlib, when the Turks flew in from the Russians fairly, and they blamed everything on the Syrians, which also caused seething in the guts of the "patriots".

[hydrox]

It seems that the stupid official does not realize that the Russians have several remote
and methods independent of the maintenance team to disable this system, ranging from programming a "missing" error to burning out the input circuits of the locators.

[Blackmokona]

But now, US specialists will have free access to study

[cniza]

So the flag in their hands, S-300 in Greece for how many years and nothing ...

[Roman1970_1]

So the flag in their hands, S-300 in Greece for how many years and nothing ...

So learned up and down

[cniza]

And then after learning what?

[Zeev Zeev]

And then "unknown planes" in Syria bomb what is needed and when it is necessary. Including in the area of ​​action of the Syrian S-300 on alert.

[fider]

cniza
"C-300 in Greece for how many years and nothing ..."
So nothing?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: BlackMokona

But now, US specialists will have free access to study

It will be funny if the Americans do not find in the 400th complex, if the Turks let them dig deeper, "10 differences" from the S-300 system!

[hydrox]

It is excluded :: the most valuable blocks are self-destructing when trying to open them.

[Blackmokona]

Any self-destruction system can be disabled

[Thrifty]

There already for sure specialists from the USA are screwing up with might and main, they are studying technologies! I won’t be surprised if Jews there climbed before the Yankees. ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Thrifty

learn technology!

Yes, let them rustle and even try to study. Selling the S-400 to a NATO country (all the more so to such "friends" as Turkey), everyone knew very well that everyone would dig there for the purpose of studying. So, on this occasion, personally, I am not worried. Nothing significant, they won't dig up. The states buy the RD-180, but they cannot make their own. A very clear example. I will not be surprised that Russian specialists are not allowed (as an option), that they have already climbed, where they should not, and have broken something.

[AUL]

Quote: orionvitt

there, for the purpose of study, all and sundry will delve into.

I think nothing special will break off for the states there. An export version is delivered to Turkey, the main difference from the basic one is in software, which is the main highlight of the complex. And the states have their own hardware and electronics as well.

[opus]

Quote: orionvitt

everyone knew very well that there, for the purpose of study, everyone would delve into it.

why then sell?

Quote: orionvitt

The states buy RD-180, but they cannot make their own.

1. Oxygen-kerosene liquid propellant rocket engine, which can only be used in civilian life (if you do not return to the R-7 ICBMs) is not the main one, it’s only used by the Russian Armed Forces.
It's like a priest and a finger ... do you really not understand the difference between a commercial liquid-propellant rocket engine, which is not used in the country by a developer / manufacturer and an air defense system, one of the most modern at the moment?
2. The BE-4 is ready, the Raptor is ready. They will leave on Merlin too. Delta-4 flies beautifully on the RS-68A

Quote from AUL

An export variant is delivered to Turkey, the main difference of which from the basic one is in software

where do these legendary firewood from the USSR come from?
Yes, and checkmate.
Have you watched the equipment?

[Cyril G ...]

That's life. Export appearance is formed regardless of its own. And always simplified.

[opus]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Export appearance is formed regardless of its own. And always simplified.

appearance is generally formed from available resources
the country can’t do any shorts without China ..

fuflomycin everywhere and in everything

[Cyril G ...]

Excuse me, the global division of labor, did not hear? A lot of China, for example, for export supplies military aircraft? And the ghoul of Navalny as a source is strong.

Why aren't you up to date too? Trite worse for.

[opus]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Excuse me, the global division of labor, did not hear?

1.Something we went down to "you". I'm not offended. Come on
2. As I have not heard, I use it, personally. A small "candle factory" in China, for your own needs. Shopping mall at home is not profitable.
3. The global division of labor is in NATO and Japan, Israel and South Korea that have joined it. On defense orders, I have not seen a "global division" Why are we Russia "globally divided" and with whom?
We buy civilian products in the basement from China. We make a nameplate. Made in Russia?
We give it out for the categories millitary (5 \ 6) and space (7), and then the LVs do not reach the calculated orbit, the GLONAS satellites fall and do not work, and the SU-57 cannot fly away from the manufacturer.
Yes .. it's global

Quote: Cyril G ...

A lot of China, for example, for export supplies military aircraft?

BURNERS
30 pieces L-15
more than 200 pieces Chengdu J-7 *
85 pieces Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong
ok 100 Nanchang Q-5
36 pieces Chengdu J-10
etc.
even the UAV Wing Loong, like 70 pieces bought

Quote: Cyril G ...

And the ghoul of Navalny as a source is strong.

- not sure he's a ghoul
-This is not a source, it’s just dousing, it’s more fun
-about a scam with timati panties and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, easy to everywhere

[Cyril G ...]

BURNERS
30 pieces L-15
more than 200 pieces Chengdu J-7 *
85 pieces Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong
ok 100 Nanchang Q-5
36 pieces Chengdu J-10
etc.

Yeah of course. Over the past 20 years, not a single 4th-generation Chinese fighter has been exported. Remember. Not interesting to anyone. About the J-10 lies. Only Thunder (MiG-21 upgrade) to Pakistan, with the Klimovsky RD-93 engine, was exported. J-7 and Q-5 is if you do not know the Chinese MiG-21 and MiG-19 were delivered mainly in the 80s and 90s. L-15 is again exported with imported engines. With Ukrainian .....

Is this bastard? We only Hindus and only Su-30x delivered ready-made or in assembly kits for about 270.

PO Su-57, comparable to the Raptor. At the stage of testing and mastering the series, 2 devices were disassembled, 3 were decommissioned after damage and fires. We have 1 broken and 1 damaged and repaired ..

Navalny specially studied in the United States, which means a ghoul.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: orionvitt

I will not be surprised that Russian specialists are not allowed (as an option), that they have already climbed, where they should not and have broken something.

There is a joke on this topic:
A man calls a service center
-Hello. My printer is broken. It stands, buzzes and does not print.
-Bring it. In the presence of spare parts, we will repair it within 3 days.
-And you can faster? And how much will the repair cost?
-Listen, why do you even have to wait and pay? Do your hands grow from the right place? Remove the back cover, take a Phillips screwdriver and tweezers ...
- Tell me, does your director know that you are losing work volumes like this?
- Actually, it’s his idea how to raise the prices for repairs.

To Turks - success in the operation, repair and maintenance of the S-400. Everything is simple there: tweezers, a screwdriver ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Polite Elk

To Turks - success in the operation, repair and maintenance of the S-400. Everything is simple there: tweezers, a screwdriver ...

Hmmm ... I do not envy the masters of others in our electronics.
Are there people here who met the progenitor of modern modems "Accord-M" in the distant stagnant years? With a staggering 1200 baud processing speed?
I didn’t serve this, but I was sorting it out according to the write-off - "Drag a hippo out of the swamp!" - not otherwise.
At least a dozen rack-mount units, from 5-6 kg to 16 each, boards with discrete elements, linked by numerous bundles, no connectors, only soldering. And everything is covered with at least 2 layers of varnish! And now go and repair in case of failure! THING !!!

[flicker]

Yes, let them rustle and even try to study

That is yes. Let them study, there is KOVID-19 who just does not study and ?
This is a system, i.e. to understand the S-400, you must first understand the S-300, and to understand the S-300, you need to study the S-200, etc.
Let them understand, until they understand the S-700 will appear.

[Cyril G ...]

Why is it for the Turks?

[Civil]

Quote: pereselenec

Turkey intends to close access to Russian specialists to deployed S-400 air defense system

The master is the master

The owner is a member of NATO since 1952.

[svp67]

Quote: pereselenec

The master is the master

The main thing is that he would pay all the money and what would spoil he was ready to repair "for a fee"

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: svp67

The main thing is that I would pay all the money

And there even though the grass does not grow, right?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

though the grass does not grow

The ancients said: Fear Danians bringing gifts!
And now: Fear Danians who accept gifts!

[Peter is not the first]

The article itself contradicts itself. First:

Turkey intends to close access to Russian specialists to deployed S-400 air defense system

And then:

Russian specialists will not have free access to the S-400 anti-aircraft system.

So there will be no access at all or there will not be full access?
I think that we do not have full access to any export product, and not just the S-400, and there are never such agreements in contracts. It is not our task to decide where the weapons sold by us will be used. Access is only needed for commissioning, maintenance and repair.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: pereselenec

The master is the master

The master is the master, the hand is the lord.
In connection with the supply of our anti-aircraft enemy such anti-aircraft guns ---- they will deploy them against Greece, because. NATO countries have wooed their systems. ALL are unsuitable, because Under the terms of this union, all countries must maintain good neighborly relations. Therefore, 300 were swept away in due time, first where? But by the way, it’s like the M-16 in the hands of Soviet designers — you are holding it in your hands, and then what. Do you have to keep the ballistics and ergonomics?
Anyone who relies purely on air defense without 3-4 regiments of destroyers per District or Command, is a sutrapian, because the strategy, and even more so the tactics of suppressing anti-aircraft defense, has even been demonstrated, but they don’t take anything from pick-up helmet throwers, in their opinion. In their desires, the division or system of the division is not destroyed by one successful hit of the PRR .. Yes, I can answer that the S-300 brigade can deploy coverage of the whole of Hungary, but two regiments of fighter should support it. And this is not observed now, if there is a mass take-off, then such AWACS and only 5 F-15s landed in the Baltic states and Ga-Ga-Ga !!! Only five, a record of how they fit in there))) And the fact that during these exercises in Poland 4 F-1sixteen airfields scored, and American fighters, /// and not even the National Guard, got up from neutral Finland and Sweden, not a reserve /// from a German base pulled into neutral countries and used to the fullest.

[paul72]

Will American specialists have access?

[Cyril G ...]

unlikely. They insure themselves from them

[Svarog]

Quote: paul72

Will American specialists have access?

Of course not, otherwise they would not have bought C 400 from us

[letinant]

Quote: paul72

Will American specialists have access?

Of course there will be not only Americans but all, all, all. Like the Indians, whom, from time immemorial, they were led to boast of the nuclear submarine pr.971. There is only speculation that after such actions something may break and not be repaired.

[Yar_Vyatkin]

No, this is expressly stated in the agreement.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Yar_Vyatkin

No, this is expressly stated in the agreement.

We already agreed with them in one agreement, what to do with bearded uncles in the territory under their control. And these uncles, beardless ones, will be more serious, they will certainly not want to refuse the Turks.

[Gray brother]

Do they know the phrase "non-warranty case"?

[Kronos]

The Chinese bring their "bullshit" to mind gradually

[Gray brother]

Quote: Kronos

The Chinese bring their "bullshit" to mind gradually

While they are finishing their bullshit, in Russia the S-500 is on its way.

[Yar_Vyatkin]

When they on their own, created, by the way, with the help of specialists from "A-A", will be able to shoot something down at least further than 110 km (not in advertising brochures, there is no limit to 150) - then tell us about it.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovnyak

Let the code crack

Useless.

in electronics it’s the whole thing and the whole thing

So yes - the logic at the hardware level is protected.

[Golovnyak]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Golovnyak

Let the code crack

Useless.

in electronics it’s the whole thing and the whole thing

So yes - the logic at the hardware level is protected.

Think All Right Gray Brother And you don’t need to talk and write about this anymore ..

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovnyak

And you don’t need to talk and write about this anymore ..

I can’t give out military secrets, because I don’t know nichrome.

[Golovnyak]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Golovnyak

And you don’t need to talk and write about this anymore ..

I can’t give out military secrets, because I don’t know nichrome.

But you provoke others It is so ?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovnyak

But you provoke others, right?

If someone's hands itch on the clave to knock, then my guilt is not here, let them bear it.
And anyway - who gives the correct answer, he will receive ten years))) And about the hardware level - so it’s gone from Soviet times.
Some manufacturers also scoffed at this subject.

Six hackers from different countries of the world responded to the call of the Moscow plant "Fizpribor" to try to hack security systems based on non-programmable, or "hard" logic, said the company's technical director Sergei Safonov.
The winner must receive 3 million rubles. But hackers have no chance, said independent cybersecurity expert Vadim Podolny.

Rigid logic was considered the rudiment of the pre-computer era, and it was remembered all over the world only now in connection with the highest hacker activity.

Hard logic systems cannot be hacked because there are no programmable elements in it.
Over the past decades, thanks to Fizpribor, Russia has been decades ahead of the United States, the European Union and Israel in this security sector.

Grandmas did not have to pay.

[mvg]

but in fact bullshit

Vocational schools then even mastered? Or did they go on the 2nd category?

[Tusv]

Quote: Gray Brother

Do they know the phrase "non-warranty case"?

By the way, now the "non-warranty case" is treated with 70% of the cost

[Gray brother]

Quote: Tusv

By the way, now the "non-warranty case" is treated with 70% of the cost

Refusal of service from an authorized dealer entails withdrawal from the warranty, after which any case becomes non-warranty.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Gray Brother

Do they know the phrase "non-warranty case"?

By the way, now the "non-warranty case" is treated with 70% of the cost

Well yes. It’s even more profitable for us.
I welcome the Turkish decision.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Golovnyak

Will roll over in the air if the US squeezes something

Already "pressed" trying to arrange a coup.
Now they don’t know what to do with it.

[KVU-NSVD]

They have the right, because now it is their air defense system. But does this not mean that some of the systems will be given for study to specialists from the USA and Israel? And then even what kind of White Sands will not be? Although, when they were selling, they envisioned a similar situation and did not see anything terrible in it. Probably ..

[V.I.P.]

On the Greek S-300s, Israeli pilots trained to bypass this air defense system. And also some of the NATO members. So, the S-400 is a good training stand for them, especially with electronic warfare systems (such as towed decoys, suspended electronic warfare containers, and all sorts of anti-radar missiles and gliding bombs can simulate attacks. The Turks will be able to test their electronic warfare "coral" ...

[Cyril G ...]

Well, yes, and then when shooting at the ancient Su-22, problems with the ARGSN AiM-120 got out. It happens. Cho.

[vkd.dvk]

The Turks, apparently, are afraid that we have something stolen from them. I mean the secrets of the system.

[knn54]

"Not by washing, so by rolling" - well, I really want to get the F-35 ...

[Lord of the Sith]

But the Turks heard about undocumented features, this is not a bug, but a feature, no?

[Black Colonel]

"Russian specialists will not have access to the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system deployed in Turkey."
But did someone cancel remote access to remove data from the equipment?

[kin]

Do you think Turkish experts are so stupid? Or what do you think remote access will look like?

[Titus_2]

I wrote about this before ... that our eyes are now in Turkey

[Klingon]

Quote: BlackMokona

But now, US specialists will have free access to study

and so what. This is a stripped-down version of "E" and probably goodies - surprises are hidden somewhere in the firmware of the chips

[Pvi1206]

there will be no physical access, so it will remain on-line ...

[Klingon]

Quote: kin

Do you think Turkish experts are so stupid? Or what do you think remote access will look like?

from satellite for example. Wireless satellite Internet. Need a satellite receiver. Perhaps this can somehow be implemented through the radar

[Shahno]

It has analogues .... Well, if for marketers. There are several more systems (that they cannot shoot down f 16).
Ps. Aliens can, but f 16 no way, for a conspiracy ...

[Old26]

Quote: Teberii

This was most likely done to soften relations in NATO, but then it will be seen when all the hype has subsided.

In any case, the access of our specialists will be closed. Even if the hype subsides. For no one will give a potential adversary access to the same system of state knowledge

Quote: BlackMokona

But now, US specialists will have free access to study

The system of state knowledge is most likely the same for NATO. So yes. can gain access ... Moreover, Russia is by no means an ally for Turkey. So situational, like Iran in Syria

Quote: Thrifty

There already for sure specialists from the USA are screwing up with might and main, they are studying technologies! I won’t be surprised if Jews there climbed before the Yankees. ...

It is unlikely. Turkey is not so closely connected with Israel as to enable such a study. It is possible that then the info will be shared, but then. And the one that is considered necessary

Quote: Svarog

Quote: paul72

Will American specialists have access?

Of course not, otherwise they would not have bought C 400 from us

The purchase of the S-400 is a political step. At one time we lost the competition for the S-300 in Turkey (the Chinese won). The Americans slowed down the deal, but offered nothing in return. And Turkey's air defense is, in principle, outdated. Ancient Nike Hercules and slightly less ancient Hawks. The United States refused to supply the Patriots at that time. Turkey decided to buy from Russia. Then problems began with the F-35. But Turkey has been and remains a NATO member. so the Americans and possibly other NATO members will have access ...

Quote: Golovnyak

They do not know the whole system and what is in there ..

Do you seriously believe there will be some kind of super-duper bookmarks? After all, once we have placed such bookmarks, it is enough to activate them - and that's it. It will be possible to put a big and fat cross on the sales of our equipment. No self-respecting "buyer" will buy a "pig in a poke". Who needs an air defense system that suddenly fails at the most inopportune moment?

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Kronos

The Chinese bring their "bullshit" to mind gradually

While they are finishing their bullshit, in Russia the S-500 is on its way.

True, for some reason, "Chinese" bullshit is bought, and not our supercomplexes. The Chinese have a very large range of air defense systems and are gradually picking up those countries that they used to buy from us. As a result, Chinese air defense systems are supplied to a dozen countries, and our S-400 is only in Algeria and Turkey. Here is such a "bullshit" among the Chinese and our "unparalleled" S-500 is on its way

[D16]

and our S-400 is only in Algeria and Turkey

But what about China and India?

True, for some reason, "Chinese" bullshit is bought, and not our supercomplexes.

They are simply not going to fight. What difference does it make that a parade rides there once a year. Moreover, it is similar to what is shown in the news.

[Cyril G ...]

Turkey will definitely not be divided with Israel.

[sergo1914]

They bought it to shoot or to ride?

[Pavel57]

NATO had access to both the S-300 and the S-300V of various modifications.

[APASUS]

Interesting information. How then will routine work from the manufacturer go? Remotely, as it is now fashionable ..............

[Yurahip]

Without appropriate maintenance by the manufacturer, all of this will very soon turn into simple iron. And rightly so!

[Shahno]

Quote: Starover_Z

Quote: BlackMokona

But now, US specialists will have free access to study

It will be funny if the Americans do not find in the 400th complex, if the Turks let them dig deeper, "10 differences" from the S-300 system!

Yes, maybe already?

[Tank hard]

At the same time, he emphasized that despite the Russian-Turkish agreement, which provides for the training of Turkish military personnel, as well as maintenance and support, Russian specialists will not have free access to the S-400 anti-aircraft system. Only "Turkish firms and the Turkish Air Force" will have full access, according to Demir.

Will they study remotely, online? In the trend however ...

[Old26]

Quote: D16

But what about China and India?

You're right. Forgot Kyaty. There is still no S-400 in India. Deliveries are scheduled to begin in late 2020 early 2021. Although the contract seems to have been signed. Besides, selling to China is a step to oneself. China will make a clone, albeit with worse performance characteristics, but cheaper and will start "pushing" it ....

Quote: D16

They are simply not going to fight. What difference does it make that a parade rides there once a year. Moreover, it is similar to what is shown in the news.

It is not sold in single copies, and most importantly, where our weapons have always been. And whether the Chinese complexes will fight or not - so far this cannot be predicted. In particular, the supply goes to Southeast Asia, and there will be something or not - HZ. But at least in several countries that took mainly our weapons - Myanmar, Kampuchea - now supplies are coming from China. Turkmenistan, the former Union Republic in general - Chinese air defense systems ...

[paco.soto]

I am amazed to ask: ... ... what did you turn my usual Russian into here?
It is impossible to read this newspeak!
Most commentators have name-calling, brats, silly distortions.
With horror I report: (even missing "Petrosyanshchina" in the content - and different there "we will incinerate everyone, clean up, SMERSH, etc.") VO forums have long been impossible to translate literally for a foreigner (without academic dictionaries of synonyms) - and he well will not believe that these are adults communicating!
Let's start here to express our thoughts here in Russian of educated people!

[Gnefredov]

"Hammer"
The world is flying in tarataras.
This is truly the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

[Fikys]

Quote: paco.soto

Let's get started sdes your thoughts in Russian by educated people!

Start with yourself, maybe the rest will catch up;)

[paco.soto]

Fikys, I agree - he made a grammatical mistake himself. The justification is small - he left Russia twenty years ago.

[ANB]

Naive Turkish young man.
Developer and will not have full access?

[Gnefredov]

This is completely normal. The country bought equipment.
She can and has every right to use it at her discretion.
—
Everything is fair.

[Cyril G ...]

There are many nuances for maintenance and repair

[Tagan]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

And then "unknown planes" in Syria bomb what is needed and when it is necessary. Including in the area of ​​action of the Syrian S-300 on alert.

Are you sure that the "unknown" and that they are bombing only for the reason that they masterfully counteract thanks to full awareness? Nothing of the kind is observed in the area of ​​our air bases, although some "partners" have long been trying to poke their noses there, periodically organizing provocations.

[Ros 56]

It is not necessary for the Turks to supply anything else, the best, it will stop at an incompletely deployed system to keep them on the hook.

[Chingachguk]

It hurts. Pay for the goods, and kurochte it as you want and with whom you want! With such calculations, they sold it to the Turks! And if he gets into his screwdriver, then the warranty repair kirdyk, then everything herself, herself ......

[5-9]

And before that, the axis asserted, that ours will lead as if at home?