Named the ships on which to place the Zircon GRK


Hypersonic cruise missiles (GRK) Zircon will go into service with frigates, the Admiral Nakhimov missile cruiser, and multipurpose nuclear submarines. The speed of this rocket is 9 Machs, that is, it is nine times the speed of sound. At the same time, she is able to achieve goals at a distance of up to a thousand kilometers.


On the transfer of new weapons to the Russian Navy the fleet told the magazine "National Defense" Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko.

The deputy minister said that the Zircon will enter the troops approximately at the turn of 2020 and 2021, and specified where exactly the new cruise missiles will be deployed:

Zircon is intended for arming nuclear submarines of projects 885, 885M, 949AM, surface ships of projects 22350, 23560, as well as re-equipment of the cruiser 1144.2 Admiral Nakhimov.

The first tests of the latest hypersonic weapons successfully passed in December last year. Shooting was carried out from the Admiral Gorshkov surface ship. In 2020, other frigates of project 22350, as well as nuclear submarines, will take part in the tests of Zircon.

Earlier, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin said that, in addition to the version of the Zircon hypersonic cruise missile for the Navy, there will also be an option for ground based.
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  1. Krasnoyarsk 8 May 2020 09: 33 New
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    It is gratifying. I hope for the successful completion of the program for setting up the Zircon
    1. Victor_B 8 May 2020 09: 47 New
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      Poor, poor liberalists!
      How much sarcasm was about Putin's cartoons!
      1. opus 8 May 2020 12: 35 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        How much sarcasm was about Putin's cartoons!

        1.3M22 Zircon in cartoons did not show

        2. Both T-14 and SU-57 have already been in the army for 5 or 6 years ... and things are still there
        Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexey Krivoruchko good
        - "National Defense"

        Editor-in-Chief is pepper
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        Quote: Author
        The speed of this rocket is 9 Machs, that is, it is nine times the speed of sound.

        with each publication about ZM22, the speed increases by 0,5M-1 M.
        I think by 2025 we will cross the line of the first space (7,8 km / s) and reach a range of more than 15000 km.
        The main thing is to publish more.
        PS. not liberal if
        1. bayard 9 May 2020 00: 07 New
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          “Zircon” speed gradually increased in testing. The range of operating speeds was prescribed by the technical specifications from 6 to 10M. Together with the speed, the range grew, with a constant volume of fuel - this is the result of an increase in the fuel efficiency of the ramjet depending on the increase in speed - everything is natural.
          The range at an air launch was generally planned at 1500 km.
          But plans to adopt the Zircon at the turn of 2020-21. pleasantly surprised, before the dates were indicated for 2022
          If we survive, we will rejoice. wink
          1. opus 9 May 2020 00: 18 New
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            Quote: bayard
            “Zircon” speed gradually increased in testing.

            .
            do you understand what you gave out?
            Did you know how many tests it was?
            Quote: bayard
            The range of operating speeds was prescribed by the technical specifications from 6 to 10M.

            Can I see this TK?
            Quote: bayard
            Together with the speed, the range grew, with a constant volume of fuel - this is the result of an increase in the fuel efficiency of the ramjet, depending on the increase in speed - everything is natural.

            please pass the exam again



            into a blunt resistance force (frontal), respectively, losses in speed / range or it is required to increase the mass directly PROPORTIONAL SQUARE SPEED BODIES IN THE ENVIRONMENT

            Quote: bayard
            The range at an air launch was generally planned at 1500 km

            Yes, I think you can get through the South Pole of the adversary.
            BELIEVE
            / straight 1940-1941 ....
            Quote: bayard
            If we survive, we will rejoice.

            Yeah
            Well, God forbid our calves and the wolf catch

            You damn VAAASche where you live?
            Have you heard Golikov for a long time?
            Compare the number of cases we have in Italy, in China and with gbplj, jkmcndjv dkfcntq & wink
            1. bayard 9 May 2020 00: 31 New
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              Read the comments above and don't be nervous. Even in aviation, for each cruising speed there is a working echelon, otherwise yes - environmental resistance. For the MiG-25, with a flight of 2500 km / h, the level was 20 m. For the Zircon, the level was announced both 000 and 40 m.
              And about the aerodynamic heating of the sock, take an interest in the Soviet program "Cold", due to which there was cooling. Not from banal circulation of fuel.
              1. opus 9 May 2020 00: 44 New
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                Quote: bayard
                Read the comments above and don't be nervous

                I am calm as a boa Kaa

                Quote: bayard
                For "Zircon" the train was announced and 40 000, and 50 000 m.

                can "read" this sound? (I guess Damantsev?)
                and think so lightly
                -what (what limbs) will create a lifting force of 50m
                the echelon of "non-opulence" for modern air defense / missile defense systems is 60-80 km
                Quote: bayard
                take an interest in the Soviet program "Cold", due to which there was a cooling

                why should I be interested in it if I held it in my hands?
                Threat. I recommend hearing Vovka Solovyov, it “strengthens” and “tones”.
                Sawmill - relaxes like a purgen.
                and it will be normal.
                By August 2020, as the economy of kirdyk and oil will be hanging around $ 25 +/- $ 5, feel the SU-57 and Zircon and T-14 and other benefits of our social state
                PS. there is an idiotic book: "The War of 2020": if you don’t pay attention to American mantras about bad dentistry in Russia, the essence is true: who will drive someone for slaughter and for what.
                1. bayard 9 May 2020 01: 47 New
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                  Quote: opus
                  there is an idiotic book: "The War of 2020":

                  We have a war in Donbass for 6 years - we’ve got used to it.
                  Quote: opus
                  (I guess Damantsev?)

                  Unless in VO comes across, but certainly not credibility. smile
                  Quote: opus
                  -what (what limbs) will create a lifting force of 50m

                  At such speeds, the body itself must hold it; it has an appropriate shape.
                  Quote: opus
                  why should I be interested in it if I held it in my hands?

                  Commendable (that he kept, except for jokes). So why sarcasm? The topic is old, it took a long time, it has been tested for a long time, the Americans also tried (X-51), abandoned - it didn’t work. What is impossible here? Theoretically, this topic has been studied since the 60s. request Moreover, the wait is not long - a maximum of a year. Why then break the spears in doubt?
                  Or Ukrainian jealousy?
                  So you have Yuzhmash there, too, there is something to be proud of ... in the past. I knew many of him ...
                  Quote: opus
                  Threat. I recommend hearing Vovka Solovyov,

                  I’m not listening for several months ... not inspiring.
                  Quote: opus
                  By August 2020, as the economy of kirdyk and oil will hang around $ 25 +/- $ 5, feel the SU-57 and Zircon and T-14 and other preferences

                  Do you think it will be better?
                  But I’m not happy for someone else’s grief.
                  Parenting.
                  And why are you so overwhelmed?
                  T-14 and for nothing in the troops is not needed. Need T-90MS.
                  There will be no Su-57? (And he will)
                  There will be an extra hundred Su-35s.
                  But Zircon is needed, and it means it will be - both in the Navy, and in the MRA, and as part of coastal missile systems, and as part of Iskander brigades. They are even going to integrate it into the armament of the new Tu-160 ...
                  Well, if "tomorrow is the war" (we have it already yesterday ... today and tomorrow will also be), we will not get used to it (even though I’m already late in age), but you will probably get more.
                  So why such black optimism?
                  Yes, and on such a day? (Or rather, until the night ...) request
                  1. opus 9 May 2020 13: 07 New
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                    Quote: bayard
                    Or Ukrainian jealousy?
                    So you have Yuzhmash there, too, there is something to be proud of ... in the past.

                    Quote: bayard
                    Do you think it will be better?
                    But I’m not happy for someone else’s grief.

                    belay
                    I’m sitting in the swamps of the Leningrad Region, I’m making a greenhouse for tomatoes, I hear over the speakerphone how my 80-year-old mother tells her that Drozdenko gave her 5000 rubles for May 9 and looks around: where is that Yuzhams and the warm one in Ukarina (we have only +12 , wind, but sunny)
                    Quote: bayard
                    So why such black optimism?

                    zist teaches me. it’s just that I rubbed with the doctor *****, who, after 25 days of imprisonment, was released from Wreden.
                    Fuflomycin in healthcare, and he is in the defense industry
                    1. bayard 9 May 2020 14: 53 New
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                      Quote: opus
                      I’m sitting in the swamps of the Leningrad Region, I’m making a greenhouse for some tomatoes, I hear on the speakerphone how my 80-year-old mother tells her that Drozdenko gave her 5000 rubles for May 9

                      Glad for your mom, sincerely. hi Mine, as it died, could not even get to the funeral - war ...
                      Well, for Victory Day! drinks
                      You feel good - you have the Sun ... and we have which day - rain. And today ... kebabs fell off, we celebrate at home. drinks hi
    2. Mountain shooter 8 May 2020 09: 55 New
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      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      It is gratifying. I hope for the successful completion of the program for setting up the Zircon

      Slowly, slowly. Step, step ... But steadily. Striped ears will be afraid of us (“Zircons” against them, mainly) or not - their business ... but, most likely, they will ... means the goal has been achieved!
    3. haanan 8 May 2020 11: 19 New
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      They will do it if oil costs more than 100 dollars. Another option is to raise taxes, because we have all the people of the "middle" class and above.
  2. Nikolaevich I 8 May 2020 09: 38 New
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    It is a pity that "conversations", "talk" about the aviation version of the hypersonic "product" (GZUR) ... request
    1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 09: 56 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      It is a pity that "conversations", "talk" about the aviation version of the hypersonic "product" (GZUR) ...

      In the Navy, it would be a miracle to begin with. Anyway, at least somewhere. And then it will be possible to think of other options.
    2. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 12: 01 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      about the aviation version of the hypersonic "product" (GZUR) ...

      Nikolaitch! You, the one with the acronym, is easier ... laughing
      G SAM is a hypersonic anti-aircraft guided missile.
      And what you are talking about will be the RPGM - an aviation hypersonic missile system (carrier + GZR). yes
      And the fact that 3M22 will be universal in terms of carriers (LA, NK, PLA) you can not even doubt, more MRA (k) bully will be revived soon. This is the command of the times, and without it (DARKNESS) it will be difficult for us to overcome the adversary.
      The experience of the Soviet Navy is not so easy to drink! Today it is also necessary to fight with the AUSs, but without aviation alone SSGNs and missile NKs cannot solve this problem.
      But.
      PS MRA / DARKNESS is a pun, a joke, so to speak. I explain for the most scrupulous and gloomy orthodox. Yeah laughing
      1. Nikolaevich I 8 May 2020 12: 29 New
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        Quote: BoA KAA
        with the abbreviation something easier ...
        G SAM is a hypersonic anti-aircraft guided missile.
        And what you are talking about will be the RPGM - an aviation hypersonic missile system (carrier + GZR).

        G SAM - a hypersonic anti-aircraft guided missile ... well, maybe this can be .... but did I talk about G SAM? There was no such thing! I mentioned HLD (HyperSound Guided Missile = HLD)
        Very interesting information appeared on the network about a new rocket being developed in Russia. It is designed to operate in conditions of strong enemy air defense and is a new operational tactical hypersonic missile, developed jointly by the parent company Tactical Missile Arms Corporation JSC in Korolev and the Raduga State Municipal Design Bureau in Dubna as part of the Hypersonic Guided Missile program ( GZUR). The military designation of this rocket to this day remains unsolved.
        According to reports, GZUR is a missile with a speed of M = 6 and with a flight range of 1500 km when flying along a high-altitude profile. The length of the rocket is 6 m, and the weight is about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has mainly anti-ship assignment. The missile will be equipped with the Item 70 ramjet engine developed by PJSC Soyuz TMKB in Turaevo and will be equipped with a combined active-passive homing radar known as Gran-75, which is being developed by Ural Design Bureau "Detail" in Kamensk-Uralsky; the broadband passive channel (Gran-75PK) for this homing head is being created by the Central Design Bureau of Automation JSC (TsKBA) in Omsk. “Fringe-75” refers to the modification of the homing head “Fringe-K” used in the tactical anti-ship missile X-35U

























        1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 13: 04 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          I mentioned GZUR

          I know it. Yes, the lecture of g / p Zelina 2013 is informative, but partly already outdated. And the data in it is given for the 3M22 Aviation prototype, developed for the Tu-22M3 and Su-34. Therefore, it is in a “trimmed” version both in weight and in length. Shipboard will be heavier and longer.
          And further - fantasies "according to Jane's Missiles & Rockets" ...
          Comment further, or is everything clear already?
          1. Nikolaevich I 8 May 2020 14: 03 New
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            Quote: BoA KAA
            Comment further, or is everything clear already?

            Yes, thank you, don’t ... I read all sorts of comments in due time! But sometimes I want to share that "option" that is more impressive to you ...
            1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 15: 10 New
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              But sometimes I want to share that "option" that is more impressive to you ..

              As I understand you!
              1. Nikolaevich I 9 May 2020 03: 10 New
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                And what? Very "hot topic"! There was a story ...: the brow was taken after a surgery to the intensive care unit ... But something happened that there was no place in the intensive care unit (male ward ...) and he was taken to the female ... He woke up ... condition heel .. begins to fall into the darkness ... And then, suddenly, he hears an indignant female voice: "What the hell they brought here! Well, now I have to put on a dressing gown!? I can’t lie down on the bases of the dressing gown now!? ..." And this brow was so outraged that the "coming gloom" began to dissipate, and he said: "If you continue to scribble like this, then I will gather my strength ami and I look out from behind the curtains to look at your charms ... to understand: are they worth it to value them so much ...! "... He did not manage to fulfill his" threat ", but there was laughter in the room and then when he was taken to the men's ward ... 5 minutes after the "scandal" ... hi
      2. opus 8 May 2020 12: 40 New
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        Quote: BoA KAA
        G SAM is a hypersonic anti-aircraft guided missile.

        I give another option-
        Hyper Sound Controlled Missile.
        everything's Alright

        Quote: BoA KAA
        there will be AGZRK - an aviation hypersonic missile system (carrier + GZR).

        Does this also mean creating a carrier?
        1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 13: 11 New
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          Quote: opus
          Does this also mean creating a carrier?

          Carriers are already there: Tu-22M3 and Su-34 with an eye on the sea. Dimensions and weight allow them to stick into the compartments.
      3. mvg
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        You can not even doubt that MRA (k) bully will soon revive

        Yes, yes, we believe that Onyx did not fly with the Su-30SM. Only with the Tu-22M and that is doubt.
    3. bayard 9 May 2020 00: 13 New
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      It is a pity that "conversations", "talk" about the aviation version of the hypersonic "product" (GZUR) ...

      Conversations on this subject are really not enough, but plans for other basing options remained. The task of creating a ground-based complex under the Zircon was announced personally by Putin. And basing on the Tu-22M3M is also planned, only the planes themselves are not yet available, but just the “Dagger” and “Zircon” are prescribed for them. There are opinions on the deployment of Zircon on the Tu-160M ​​\ M2, but this is already evident for the sides of the new building.
  3. Kalmar 8 May 2020 09: 42 New
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    Zircon is intended for arming nuclear submarines of projects 885, 885M, 949AM, surface ships of projects 22350, 23560, as well as re-equipment of the cruiser 1144.2 Admiral Nakhimov.

    And the 949th as a result began to be remade under "Caliber" and "Onyx"? Corvettes (20385) and RTOs, as I understand it, will not receive Zircons?
    1. NEXUS 8 May 2020 10: 01 New
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      Quote: Kalmar
      And the 949th as a result began to be remade under "Caliber" and "Onyx"?

      In fact, there are universal PUs that are suitable for Onyx and Caliber and Zircons.
      1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 10: 11 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        In fact, there are universal PUs that are suitable for Onyx and Caliber and Zircons.

        As far as I know, they are armed with Granites. There was a modernization project with the replacement of Granit launcher with Kalibrov launcher, but I can’t find any information about which boats underwent this modernization.
        1. CSKA 8 May 2020 11: 13 New
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          Quote: Kalmar
          As far as I know, they are armed with Granites. There was a modernization project with the replacement of Granit launcher with Kalibrov launcher, but I can’t find any information about which boats underwent this modernization.

          Upgraded Orel, Omsk and Tomsk. Chelyabinsk and Irkutsk are undergoing modernization.
          1. Sky strike fighter 8 May 2020 11: 33 New
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            Upgraded Orel, Omsk and Tomsk. Chelyabinsk and Irkutsk are undergoing modernization.

            Upgraded to level 949AM as I understand it?
            Earlier it was reported that the multipurpose nuclear submarine of project 949A (Antey) Irkutsk will be upgraded to 949AM. During the modernization, new universal launchers for modern Caliber or Zircon cruise missiles will be installed on the submarine, which will replace Granit anti-ship missiles. The return of the submarines to the Pacific Fleet is planned in 2022.

            https://topwar.ru/164499-modernizirovannye-apl-irkutsk-i-bpk-marshal-shaposhnikov-poluchat-cirkony.html
            1. CSKA 12 May 2020 17: 41 New
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              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              Upgraded to level 949AM as I understand it?

              I read in a number of sources that up to the level of 949AM.
          2. Kalmar 8 May 2020 11: 38 New
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            Quote: CSKA
            Upgraded Orel, Omsk and Tomsk

            According to media reports, Tomsk shot Granites in 2017 (https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/afb72842ad2bf129db69dfb3fa9750ccfddc0506e7533decbc3ff07361589f32) and did not undergo any more modernization. About the "Eagle" and "Omsk" clear evidence of rearmament on the "Onyx" and "Caliber" has not yet seen. Say, in the article https://topwar.ru/159563-zavershena-modernizacija-atomnogo-podvodnogo-raketnogo-krejsera-omsk.html about "Caliber" there are no references.
            1. Sky strike fighter 8 May 2020 11: 57 New
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              Quote: Kalmar
              Quote: CSKA
              Upgraded Orel, Omsk and Tomsk

              According to media reports, Tomsk shot Granites in 2017 (https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/afb72842ad2bf129db69dfb3fa9750ccfddc0506e7533decbc3ff07361589f32) and did not undergo any more modernization. About the "Eagle" and "Omsk" clear evidence of rearmament on the "Onyx" and "Caliber" has not yet seen. Say, in the article https://topwar.ru/159563-zavershena-modernizacija-atomnogo-podvodnogo-raketnogo-krejsera-omsk.html about "Caliber" there are no references.

              This is approximately the case. The first 949AM fleet will receive in 2021-2022.
              Thus, in recent months, the command of the Navy and the leaders of the Ministry of Defense have disclosed some of the information on current plans, as well as supplemented or corrected the previously announced information. From last year's statements, it follows that the modernization of nuclear submarines with cruise missiles of the 949A project has already started. The first submarine with new weapons will have to return to the fleet no earlier than 2021 of the year. Earlier it was claimed that the modernization of all existing Anteyev will continue until the mid-twenties.

              According to known data, of the eight Antey-type submarines available in the Navy, only five are currently in service. Three more ships are under repair. "Irkutsk", "Omsk" and "Chelyabinsk" are on the stocks of the factory "Zvezda" and receive the required equipment. The submarine "Omsk" should return from repair in the near future; work on other submarines will end later.

              While three “Antheus” of the Pacific Fleet are under repair, two similar submarines continue to serve. These are K-150 "Tomsk" and K-456 "Tver". In the medium term, these submarines will also have to go to the ZVEZD DVZ for the passage of the next scheduled repair with modernization, providing for the replacement of one or another equipment, as well as weapons.

              The three remaining submarines pr. 949A "Antey" serve as part of the Northern Fleet. These are the ships K-119 "Voronezh", K-266 "Eagle" and K-410 "Smolensk". In the recent past, from 2011 to 2017, these ships underwent a scheduled repair at the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, which allowed them to continue their service. In the distant future, the submarines of the Northern Fleet will have to go back to the "Star". It is this company that will have to upgrade them on the 949AM project and install new weapons.

              https://topwar.ru/152859-novye-rakety-dlja-anteev.html
        2. Sky strike fighter 8 May 2020 11: 18 New
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          Quote: Kalmar
          Quote: NEXUS
          In fact, there are universal PUs that are suitable for Onyx and Caliber and Zircons.

          As far as I know, they are armed with Granites. There was a modernization project with the replacement of Granit launcher with Kalibrov launcher, but I can’t find any information about which boats underwent this modernization.

          The un-upgraded Antey 949A is armed with Granites, and after the modernization and replacement of launchers for RCC Granite with launchers for Caliber, Onyx, Zircon, 949AM are obtained.
      2. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 12: 15 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        there are universal PUs that are suitable for Onyx and Caliber and Zircons.
        Andrew, hello! hi
        The thing is that one 3C14 will not be enough. We also need the equipment of the complex for 3M22, and it can be placed on carriers of over 5 Kt. (Weight and dimensional constants TTZ)
        For this reason, Kalmar’s colleagues do not pass the offer.
        Quote: Kalmar
        reinforce the same frigate with a couple of three RTOs (which we can objectively build faster), already something
        I'd love to, but alas ...
        (- MRK? - However, it will not be enough!)
      3. Charik 8 May 2020 13: 11 New
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        in 949-3С14? and Granite sloping pu where did it go?
    2. Tiksi-3 8 May 2020 10: 51 New
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      Quote: Kalmar
      Corvettes (20385) and RTOs, as I understand it, will not receive Zircons?

      and fig goat button accordion? ..... meaning ?????????????
      1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 10: 58 New
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        and fig goat button accordion?

        A missile needs a carrier, and this is sad in the Navy right now: one submarine 885 and one frigate 22350 are still in service. Another submarine and one frigate are expected by the end of the year. Not enough to seriously threaten the US Navy. But if you strengthen the same frigate with a couple of three RTOs (which we can objectively build faster), something will already begin to emerge.
        1. Tiksi-3 8 May 2020 10: 59 New
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          Quote: Kalmar
          Not enough to seriously threaten the US Navy

          ? is everything okay? .... threaten MRK ??? ... coronavirus? .... why threaten when there is a Strategic Missile Forces ??
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            Quote: Tiksi-3
            is everything okay? .... threaten MRK ??? ... coronavirus? .... why threaten when there is a Strategic Missile Forces ??

            I did not understand this comment. Like, why do something if you already have a Strategic Missile Forces? Or how?
            1. Tiksi-3 8 May 2020 12: 03 New
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              Quote: Kalmar
              I did not understand this comment.

              you are trying to shove it into the unapproachable, translate-put on the MRC Buyan Zircons, so that, as you said, threaten the Amers ...... this is nonsense ..... threaten the Small Rocket Ship, in the presence of strategic missile forces. And if you just think about it, why do zircons on RTOs ??? this is a dead end branch, the cost of these troughs will increase at times, and the combat stability as it was 0, it will remain 0
              1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 12: 14 New
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                Quote: Tiksi-3
                threaten with a Small Missile Ship, in the presence of strategic missile forces

                According to this logic, larger ships are also not needed: why some Peter the Great, if there is a Strategic Missile Forces? And Chinese fishermen and Somali pirates can be easily driven by kayaks. About in which situations the Strategic Missile Forces really come into play, we modestly keep silent.

                Quote: Tiksi-3
                And if you just think about it, why do zircons on RTOs ??? this is a dead end branch, the cost of these troughs will increase at times, and the combat stability as it was 0, it will remain 0

                At a cost. It is stated that pr. 22800 can do Onyxes, so perhaps adapting to these very Zircons will not be that expensive (it’s hard to speculate here: missiles so far, consider it not).

                On combat stability. If RTOs operate independently, then yes, there is a distinct kamikaze spirit in this. But when he is covered by a large NK coming nearby (the same 22350), the MRC already has a chance to give the enemy a last shot.

                As appropriate. MRK 22800 is still planned to be built, they expect about eight pieces there, it seems. For better or worse, this is a separate issue, but since they will be, it makes sense to try to get the most out of them. This is especially true in light of the fact that the construction of pr. 22350 is still skidding (problems with the power plant).
                1. Tiksi-3 8 May 2020 12: 29 New
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                  Quote: Kalmar
                  According to this logic, larger ships are also not needed: why some Peter the Great, if there is a Strategic Missile Forces?

                  to "threaten" - yes you fool , what was created for "Petya"? ..... what would threaten? wassat The threat (in your childhood - to threaten) comes from the Strategic Missile Forces.
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  But when he is covered by a large NK coming nearby (the same 22350), the MRC already has a chance to give the enemy a last shot.

                  and who is covering the 22350 next to the anti-ship missiles, and the submarine? ... well, the order you came up with ... 22350+ 4 22800 + 2 Buyana + tugboat and oil carrier + sub halibut
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                    Quote: Tiksi-3
                    what would “threaten” - yes you, why was “Petya” created? ..... what would threaten? The threat (in your childhood - to threaten) comes from the Strategic Missile Forces.

                    Let's be rude to your desk partner. While we are not at war, one of the tasks of the fleet is to deter the enemy. To do this, the enemy must be at least some kind of threat ("threaten", yes, we will not cling to words). And let’s leave the Strategic Missile Forces alone.

                    Quote: Tiksi-3
                    and who is covering the 22350 next to the anti-ship missiles, and submarines?

                    It, unlike the RTOs, is packed with good SAM and anti-aircraft defense systems. Next is the question of the balance of power: it is obvious that sending one frigate with a pair of RTOs to destroy the AUG in a real war is stupid.

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                    Well, you came up with a warrant

                    No, well, if you have a couple of TARKR lying around under your bed, you can send them. Again, to talk about the composition of the order without reference to a specific task (who are we going to scare or drown?) Is a kindergarten.
        2. codetalker 8 May 2020 13: 40 New
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          Are you going to war right now?)
          1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 15: 18 New
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            Quote: codetalker
            Are you going to war right now?)

            Not, well, if all our potential opponents are willing to patiently wait until we pack all kinds of “Zircons” properly, then there are no questions.
  4. venik 8 May 2020 09: 45 New
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    "....Zircon is designed for arming nuclear submarines of projects 885, 885M, 949AM, surface ships of projects 22350, 23560, as well as re-equipment of the cruiser 1144.2 Admiral Nakhimov. ... "
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    Nothing is said about “Buyans” with “Karakurt” and “Varshavyanka” .... Although, in principle, everything is true: first the largest and most powerful ships of the 1st and 2nd rank, and then all the rest.
    The truth is incomprehensible, why else did the “Leader” (pr. 23560) be dragged? It seems to be “on the fly” and is not visible in development and procurement plans (whether it will be at all unclear).
    Well and so - we wait, with impatience! "Zircon" for the fleet and not only - an extremely necessary thing!
    1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 10: 15 New
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      About “Buyans” with “Karakurt” and “Varshavyanka” - nothing is said yet

      No one will say anything about Varshavyanka: in principle, they do not have PU under the Kyrgyz Republic; rockets are launched through torpedo tubes. Neither Onyx nor Zircon will fit into TA. There is nothing to talk about "Buyan" either: a ship for rivers and the coastal zone, where a priori will not be suitable for Zircons. With “Karakurt” it might be interesting, but for now yes, silence.
  5. Sailor 8 May 2020 09: 46 New
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    And what for pr.23560 who knows devote I will be grateful.
    1. KVU-NSVD 8 May 2020 09: 51 New
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      Project atomic destroyer "Leader". While there is at the level of conversations and models it is likely to stay there.
      1. NEXUS 8 May 2020 10: 04 New
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        Project atomic destroyer "Leader". While there is at the level of conversations and models it is likely to stay there.

        No longer ... they will not build the Leader in the foreseeable future or in the distant future. Expensive, long and appropriate shipyards are needed for it. I think so far the most powerful surface that they will build from scratch is the project of the Super-Gorshkov destroyer. After all, Shoigu clearly said that the backbone of our surface fleet will be project 22350 frigates and project 22350M destroyers.
        1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 12: 27 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          they will not build a Leader in the foreseeable future or in the distant future. Expensive, long and appropriate shipyards are needed for it.

          If they do not abandon NK with nuclear power plants, then 23560 will go to replace Peter and Nakhimov as the core of our KUG. Because building an AVU is even more expensive than TARKR. It seems to me that in the 30s a series of 4 units for Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet will begin. In addition to the MRL, it was also planned to place on it a soiled S-500, like a marine missile defense and an anti-satellite beater.
          Such ships can only be built in St. Petersburg or on Sevmash.
          So, we will wait and not rush to conclusions.
          AHA.
          1. NEXUS 8 May 2020 12: 33 New
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            If they do not abandon NK with nuclear power plants, then 23560 will go to replace Peter and Nakhimov as the core of our KUG.

            Sasha, I think that will be what ... they will rivet the Gorshkovs, and soon they will begin to build the Super-Gorshkovs. Well, in about five years, they will stupidly increase the displacement of Super-Gorshkov to 14-15 thousand tons, and put all the nuclear weapons on it. Forget about the Leader and don’t even remember, as it’s expensive, long and the shipyard ...
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            In addition to the GZR, it was supposed to place on it a soaked S-500,

            Quietly quiet, friend ... we still have no land Prometheus. At the same time, do you recall the story of Polent-Redoubt? How much did all this mess up?
            1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 13: 44 New
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              they will increase the displacement of Super-Gorshkov to 14-15 thousand tons, and put all the nuclear weapons on it.

              No, Andrey, this option will not work. And that's why. Have you seen the bell tower of layout 23560? Did it remind you of anything? And I looked so very even at the English Deering.
              The Egyptian pyramid ... But this is necessary to move the horizon.

              And ours is the same ...

              Therefore, the architecture of Gorshkov will need to be radically changed. And this is another project, for which the dough will be torn apart unintentionally, they will also receive awards with prizes.
              1. NEXUS 8 May 2020 15: 54 New
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                Have you seen the bell tower of layout 23560?

                You know what a hitch ... the construction time, taking into account the tests, refinement, and so on, well, nifiga is not short for such a project. From the bookmark to the transfer to the fleet of the lead Leader, at least 10 years will pass, or even all 15. See how much the same Nakhimov is modernizing, and there is only modernization, and not construction from scratch.
                Now, regarding the conversion of the Super-Gorshkov project to a displacement of 14-15 thousand tons ... if it starts now, when the 22350M starts laying, the cruiser project will be ready. And I suspect that by that time the new radars will arrive in time.
                1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 16: 51 New
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                  the cruiser project will be ready.

                  Andrey, not only the Yankees decided to abandon the cruisers, but we sinners too. Now the trick is a "multi-purpose" ship (frigate, corvette, destroyer). Therefore, after the battleships, the cruisers will apparently leave.
                  But.
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                    Andrey, not only the Yankees decided to abandon the cruisers, but we sinners too.

                    Take your time ... I think that light cruisers will not leave the stage ... and a displacement of 15 thousand tons, this is he himself)
              2. Alexey RA 8 May 2020 15: 58 New
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                Quote: BoA KAA
                Have you seen the bell tower of layout 23560? Did it remind you of anything? And I looked so very even at the English Deering.
                (...)
                And ours is the same ...

                The bell tower of pr. 23560 does not look like Daring, but rather the Raisin Pagoda. smile
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                  The bell tower of pr. 23560 does not look like Daring, but rather the Raisin Pagoda.
                  Japans designed raisins, but did not build them. I did not want 23560 to suffer the same fate!
        2. codetalker 8 May 2020 13: 42 New
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          In this regard, the mention of Deputy Minister Pr 23560 was surprising.
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      And what for pr.23560 who knows devote I will be grateful.

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      And this is the mythical "Leader" on which so far only a preliminary design exists ..... I wrote about it above!
  6. NEXUS 8 May 2020 09: 52 New
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    missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov

    Hmm ... not well zhivinko so everyone told. Only TARK Admiral Nakhimov fleet will see commercials in 7-8 years at best, taking into account sea trials, shooting, etc. ... as they say, a good spoon for dinner ...
    1. Kalmar 8 May 2020 10: 16 New
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      Only TARK Admiral Nakhimov fleet will see commercials in 7-8 years at best

      It is likely that the Zircon fleet will not get earlier.
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        It is likely that the Zircon fleet will not get earlier.

        Zircon is sure to appear in the troops earlier ... how many are already building Nakhimych? From the age of 13, for 6 years .... and at what stage of construction is this device? And now think what a financial hole it is for mastering budget money for bureaucrats of all stripes))
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          Zircon is sure to appear in the troops earlier ... how many are already building Nakhimych? From 13 years old, already 6 years old

          "Nakhimov" promised in 2022 to return to the system. Those. by the year 2025, perhaps, indeed, in some form will be given to the fleet. And in this regard, he has any advantage over the Zircons: there are at least some dates, and the ship itself objectively exists))

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          And now think what a financial hole it is for mastering budget money for bureaucrats of all stripes))

          Well, this is about the whole defense industry, so to speak: funds can be endlessly copied for all sorts of obscure projects that "have no analogues in the world." And instead of showing results, showing cartoons and it’s important to puff out your cheeks, they say, secretly, we will not show anymore. The beauty )
    2. Sky strike fighter 8 May 2020 12: 01 New
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      missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov

      Hmm ... not well zhivinko so everyone told. Only TARK Admiral Nakhimov fleet will see commercials in 7-8 years at best, taking into account sea trials, shooting, etc. ... as they say, a good spoon for dinner ...

      Admiral Nakhimov will be handed over to the fleet in 2022.
  7. APASUS 8 May 2020 10: 13 New
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    In essence, it is necessary to achieve standardization of the launcher and to set the missiles depending on the tasks performed. What is not important to put on, at least on Buyan M
  8. Guards turn 8 May 2020 10: 21 New
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    Marine "Shells" are being tested. Marine "Shells" have been tested on the small missile ship "Odintsovo". The armament is designed to combat attack helicopters. With its advent, RTOs will be able to hit targets in the air within a radius of 20 km.

    Installation and commissioning works related to the installation of air defense systems have been fully completed. Immediately after this, tests were conducted on which the "Shell" confirmed the characteristics declared by the developers, write "Izvestia". Odintsovo will become part of the 1st Guards Division of the 36th Red Banner Order of Nakhimov, XNUMXst class, of the Baltic Fleet’s missile boat brigade.
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      "With his advent, RTOs will be able to hit targets in the air within a radius of 20 km."
      Who will tell you, and with what range "air targets" can hit RTOs?
      1. Guards turn 8 May 2020 13: 46 New
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        ZRPK "Shell-C1" reflected the Israeli attacks on Syria in the evening of April 20.

        According to the Syrian Arab News Agency, Syrian air defense systems repelled an Israeli attack, knocking down several "hostile targets." According to media reports, the sales were several Israeli rockets.

        In Israel, they refuse to comment on the situation.

        ZRPK “Pantsir-S” was developed by the Tula State Unitary Enterprise “Instrument Design Bureau”. It protects the defended object from ground and surface threats. It is capable of detecting targets within a radius of 75 km, and the missile range of the latest versions of the complex is 40 km. It is in service with Syria.
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          Quote: Guards turn
          ZRPK "Shell-C1" reflected the Israeli attacks on Syria in the evening of April 20.

          According to the Syrian Arab News Agency, Syrian air defense systems repelled an Israeli attack, knocking down several "hostile targets." According to media reports, the sales were several Israeli rockets.

          In Israel, they refuse to comment on the situation.

          ZRPK “Pantsir-S” was developed by the Tula State Unitary Enterprise “Instrument Design Bureau”. It protects the defended object from ground and surface threats. It is capable of detecting targets within a radius of 75 km, and the missile range of the latest versions of the complex is 40 km. It is in service with Syria.

          If you wrote this to me, then the question was different (sorry, apparently, did not clearly articulate).
          And at what range can a helicopter detect, hit an MRC?
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      - Come on. In Kamstigalle? I once served there ......
  9. Andrey Mikhaylov 8 May 2020 11: 13 New
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    It seemed to me alone? ships .project 23560, this is the Leader
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    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Kalmar
    And the 949th as a result began to be remade under "Caliber" and "Onyx"?

    In fact, there are universal PUs that are suitable for Onyx and Caliber and Zircons.

    Since when are universal launchers installed on Project 949A? If they redid it, then only on how many boats?
    How the launchers were rebuilt in the 949s is still unknown ...

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    But if you strengthen the same frigate with a couple of three RTOs (which we can objectively build faster), something will already begin to emerge.

    And what begins to loom? What can river-sea missile systems do without an air defense, anti-aircraft missile system and with an autonomy of 10-15 days for the American fleet ??

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    Zircon is sure to appear in the troops earlier ..

    You should not build such grandiose plans based on only one test. Ahead, at least, a test cycle with NK, and how the Zircon will behave when launched from a submarine is not yet known even to the designers. A test cycle will take place, then we will talk about the timing.
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      Since when are universal launchers installed on Project 949A?

      But I'm not talking about the 949th, but about the 855s and the Gorshkovs ...
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      You should not build such grandiose plans based on only one test.

      And by the age of 22, is Nakhimov not the fairy tales of the Vienna forest? fellow
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    But I'm not talking about the 949th, but about the 855s and the Gorshkovs ...

    No, Andrey. Read your post carefully
    Camrad Kalmar wrote
    And the 949th as a result began to be remade under "Caliber" and "Onyx"?

    What did you answer
    In fact, there are universal PUs that are suitable for Onyx and Caliber and Zircons.

    So it was about 949 (more precisely about 949A, since 949 is already gone)

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    And by the age of 22, is Nakhimov not the fairy tales of the Vienna forest?

    I do not know. It all depends on when it will be launched. Regarding the launch from NK, there was no test, but it was. Although today the only thing.