Military Review

The Ministry of Defense announced the delivery time to the air force of Su-57 fighters with engines of the 2nd stage

56

Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko spoke about the timing of the delivery of new stage engines for Su-57 fighters. Recall that according to the original plan, 5th generation fighters were supposed to enter the arsenal of the Russian Air Force by the end of 2019. However, during the tests, the Su-57 fell, which is why the arming was postponed.


According to the representative of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, until the mid-2020s, Su-57 fighters with engines of the 4th generation (the so-called first stage) will be delivered to the Russian Air Force for the first time, after - with engines of the 5th generation (2nd stage).

This statement was made by Aleksey Krivoruchko specially for the National Defense magazine.

According to the official of the Ministry of Defense, the start of serial deliveries of the Su-57 to the troops is significant.

If you start from the words of the Deputy Minister of Defense, it turns out that the Su-57 with the engines of the second stage will appear in the Russian Aerospace Forces no earlier than 2025.
Recall that the 5th generation engines differ from the 4th generation engines in several ways. In particular, in terms of fuel efficiency, lower cost of the “life” cycle, in terms of traction, including afterburner.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the manufacturer for the purchase of 76 new-generation Su-57 fighters for the Russian Air Force. It is expected that the first aircraft may appear in the troops this year.
56 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 8 May 2020 08: 05 New
    +8
    Well already some kind of clarity.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 8 May 2020 08: 07 New
      +8
      Recall that 5th generation engines are different from 4th generation engines

      5th generation engine! yes
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 8 May 2020 18: 58 New
        +1
        For a day, they announced the replacement of hydraulic actuators with electric ones on the Su-57.
        Apparently after the accident they thought about it.
        How long does this revision take?
        Apparently by this moment the engines will arrive.
        All together - it will be very cool. hi
    2. Pvi1206
      Pvi1206 8 May 2020 08: 10 New
      31
      Clarity will be when the planes appear in the army ... but for now only la-la ...
      1. ancient
        ancient 8 May 2020 12: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Pvi1206
        In the meantime, only la-la ...

        But what about .... without .. "slogans" ..... THEY must somehow justify a high position - Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko.
        Short excursion: Aleksei Yuryevich Krivoruchko (born July 17, 1975, Stavropol, RSFSR, USSR) - Russian statesman, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation since June 13, 2018. Acting State Advisor to the Russian Federation, Class 2.
        He graduated Institute of Management, Economics, Law and Informatics (2005), Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation (2010).
        Well, to whom is he .. "close" ... read for yourself bully
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 08: 10 New
      10
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Well already some kind of clarity.

      If you start from the words of the Deputy Minister of Defense, it turns out that the Su-57 with the engines of the second stage will appear in the Russian Aerospace Forces no earlier than 2025.

      Naturally. Already dawned - and saw everything. For example, it reminds me of buying a TV with the “3D” function, when glasses for this TV will be released in five years ... belay
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 8 May 2020 08: 57 New
        14
        It was necessary not to release the T-34, because after some 5 years the T-54 appeared.
      2. DVR
        DVR 8 May 2020 10: 53 New
        12
        Naturally. Already dawned - and saw everything. For example, it reminds me of buying a TV with the 3D function, when glasses for this TV will be released in five years ... belay

        As far as we know, now only one country has competencies in the full production cycle of fifth-generation engines for fighters. This is the United States with its F119 (for F-22) and its development - F135 (for F-35). The development of the first lasted 14 years. Even China now, with its unlimited financial and human resources, cannot yet make an engine with the characteristics that even our fourth-generation engines have (having their models in their hands). Long terms reflect the peculiarity of the development and production of such products. Our product will have better specific characteristics than F135. T.O. at the moment we are entering the top 2 of the world with the prospect of reaching the first place. The product is tested for LI.
        1. DVR
          DVR 8 May 2020 17: 36 New
          +5
          Typo, LL of course, which is actually visible on the vertical plumage.
        2. Arpad
          Arpad 9 May 2020 12: 04 New
          -3
          Quote: DVR
          Product developed by us will have specific characteristics are better than F135. T.O. at this moment we enter the top 2 of the world with the prospect of reaching the first place. The product is tested for LI.

          Well, for the sake of justice - using the word WILL - = you note the fact that this engine is not available.
          Therefore, the message is not quite clear - INCLUDES in the top -2.?
          If not, how does it come in?
          1. DVR
            DVR 9 May 2020 12: 10 New
            +2
            I wrote that with the existing 4th generation engines Russia is in the top 2. Upon completion of work on product 30, Russia will be in the top-1. What is incomprehensible here?
            In general, he is, you can see him in the photo and video. Not yet completed, long trials and improvements ahead.
            1. Arpad
              Arpad 9 May 2020 12: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: DVR
              I wrote that with the existing 4th generation engines Russia is in the top 2. Upon completion of work on product 30, Russia will be in the top-1. What is incomprehensible here?
              In general, he is, you can see him in the photo and video. Not yet completed, long trials and improvements ahead.

              Sorry, I misunderstood. hi
    4. Civil
      Civil 8 May 2020 08: 18 New
      -9
      No money, everything is simple.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 9 May 2020 13: 20 New
        -1
        Well, while at the helm there are different "krivoruchki", where do they come from?
        I read the biography, gasped ...
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 May 2020 08: 22 New
      -6
      Aron, what a clarity! More fog has been let in! Either the engine is still missing, and there are only its prototypes with different characteristics, or money was trivially clamped on the creation and refinement of the engine!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 11: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Or the engine is still missing

        Do you doubt it? People on their knees for their own pennies make such inventions, and here the existing scientific and technical idea inscribed on paper (electronic media), as it turned out, embodied in metal is a problem ... belay
        All these shifts to the right can root the assumption that the new engine exists only in the animated version.
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 May 2020 09: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Well already some kind of clarity.

      There was no clarity, and no ... the terms will change another hundred times. And to grind the tongue of our bureaucrats is such a fetish.
      1. allegro
        allegro 8 May 2020 13: 33 New
        0
        I agree with you, one bravado, because by and large everything breathes in the air, there are practically no developments, I won’t be surprised if this aircraft is one of the last Soviet developments in the future, civil aviation was knocked down and the same fate awaits military, I would like to be mistaken but not it turns out
    7. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 May 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Well already some kind of clarity.

      And what is this clarity about? request
      The title of the article reads
      The Ministry of Defense announced the delivery time to the air force of Su-57 fighters with engines of the 2nd stage

      And where did you see these terms from the MO? So far, only the next "thoughts" of the local expert-analyst:
      If you start from the words of the Deputy Minister of Defense, it turns out that the Su-57 with the engines of the second stage will appear in the Russian Aerospace Forces no earlier than 2025

      Have you taken his statements for the truth? How he pushed off and from what, on his conscience. hi
    8. opus
      opus 8 May 2020 22: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Well already some kind of clarity.

      from krivoruchko?
      words from the "song" can not be denied
      Lada does not go, jammed "Kalash", Chemezova tribe took up the matter.

      AVTOVAZ WAS, WAS AND A CONCERN OF KALASHNIKOV, NOW DEFENSE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE
      Forgive me tutka .. on what basis is this form worn


      and what awards do we hire and for sho
      Threat
      He graduated from the Institute of Management, Economics, Law and Informatics (2005), the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation (2010).
      the most for the Deputy Minister of Defense
      1. maratkoRuEkb
        maratkoRuEkb 21 May 2020 07: 54 New
        0
        The Class 2 State Counselor of the Russian Federation is a class rank of the highest group of federal state civil servants. In the bodies of the prosecutor's office and justice, he corresponds to the class rank of justice - “Valid State Counselor of Justice of the Russian Federation, Class 2”.

        The class rank corresponds to the military rank - lieutenant general and vice admiral.
        1. opus
          opus 21 May 2020 10: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: maratkoRuEkb
          Valid state

          Why are you quoting me Wikipedia?
          Quote: maratkoRuEkb
          The class rank corresponds to the military rank - lieutenant general and vice admiral.

          You are the general / admiraluu this, not dressed up please explain.
          ask how much he spent himself at the General Staff Academy, first from lieutenant colonel (major) to colonel, and then the general’s attack
          Threat.
          1. maratkoRuEkb
            maratkoRuEkb 21 May 2020 10: 28 New
            -1
            The State Councilor is that (well, here the site removed the word obscene) with oil in your opinion? this is a rank which, if anything, can be ordered to the military when necessary! The confidant of the president.
            It means that the state adviser says it is necessary to do so, and a real colonel will answer him like "yes, who are you such a disguised horseradish, your orders don't bother me?"
            What a mess it will be if a military man is waiting for an order from a "real military man".
            Or specifically do you consider yourself smarter than the rest and know how best to arrange a system ??
            1. opus
              opus 21 May 2020 11: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: maratkoRuEkb
              It means that the state adviser says it is necessary to do so, and to him a real colonel is

              1. there is nothing to dress up in the general form (or very similar to it)
              2. the same thing: there is nothing to hang trinkets on yourself (iconostasis)

              1 + 2 there will be no confusion
              Quote: maratkoRuEkb
              What a mess it will be if a military man is waiting for an order from a "real military man".

              will not, but will be as it should. The military should not execute orders not from his immediate leadership.
              Quote: maratkoRuEkb
              Or specifically do you consider yourself smarter than the rest and know how best to arrange a system ??

              1.when there is nothing to argue, go to the person
              2. I do not think
              3. I have the right (according to the same Constitution of the Russian Federation), and according to sound logic, to express my opinion.
              And there’s nothing to arrange a nightingale litter. not everyone (including myself) wants to blow into the dudu into which you blow
              1. maratkoRuEkb
                maratkoRuEkb 22 May 2020 07: 22 New
                0
                1. By law, a state adviser is a civil servant, equated to a certain rank.
                2. advisers have a uniform with accompanying insignia including shoulder straps.
                3. the advisor has the right to give orders to a lower rank, even if it is a "real military"
                4. Advisers just do not become like that, which means that people have certain responsibilities and knowledge necessary to carry out these duties.
                5. There are many awards that are given to civilians, have every right to wear award straps, if any.
                6. You, for comparison, the situation: a student who graduated from the university is awarded the rank of lieutenant, but he "did not smell gunpowder, did not serve as real warriors", he has the right to lead the gray-haired warrant officers, seasoned sergeants and privates. Does that seem strange to you too?
                7. my opinion: I think that you throw on the fan for nothing, let's end the conversation and stay with our own. I wish you success.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 8 May 2020 08: 08 New
    -2
    And how many are going to do them a year?
    And I would like to be able to remotorize combat units without problems.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 8 May 2020 09: 22 New
      +4
      And how many are going to do them a year?

      First, a few pieces, then they plan to increase the quantity to the current supply rate of SU-35
      And I would like to be able to remotorize combat units without problems.

      As I understand it, that was the original plan.
  3. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 8 May 2020 08: 12 New
    +5
    I can’t grasp when the first production board will be delivered? All is obscured by the darkness of the unknown. And how many were there supposed to be this year? There is simply no concrete information about this.
    Tricky thoughts creep in. I feel that because of the accident in December 2019, everything can again move to the right.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 May 2020 08: 24 New
      +1
      "Wait for an answer ... ... wait for an answer ... ... wait for an answer ..." negative
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 8 May 2020 08: 47 New
      0
      The first batch was supposed to be from two aircraft. The first crashed in December. The second was promised
      In May.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 09: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      Tricky thoughts creep in.

      I’ll broaden your horizons a little. Tricky, that is, having a secret meaning (double meaning), more often are actions or questions. And thoughts at the same time appear scrupulous (indecent, obscene). And doubts, suspicions creep in ... And there is still such moment:

      And in sentences punctuation marks are put:
      KAZNZHNY DO NOT Pardon ...
      hi
    4. Tzar
      Tzar 8 May 2020 11: 55 New
      -1
      The same thoughts, some kind of mockery of the public with this fighter.
      They also laughed that the Europeans began the development of the sixth without a fifth. So, with these constant shifts to the right, the Europeans will roll out the 6th generation model earlier than we will have with the fifth generation engine. It's not funny anymore...
  4. Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 May 2020 08: 55 New
    0
    In general, everything is as always. Kirdyk engines, kirdyk supplies.

    But at least certainty, and then there is a roofing felts, there is no engine roofing felts in different posts ..
  5. EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 May 2020 08: 56 New
    +3
    Why is it published? Where is the information? They did not give any exact delivery schedules, because now they will collect a couple more pre-production ones, and then they need to create an assembly line, from 2023 there will be cars from it somewhere. Maybe since 2022.
  6. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 8 May 2020 09: 53 New
    0
    One can see serious problems, judging by the trends, if according to the plans of 2025, then by 2030 they may and will be in time
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 May 2020 10: 24 New
    +5
    God be with him, with the engine of the 2nd stage.
    The main thing is to transfer the first production aircraft to the troops.
    Already the middle of the year, is it time to roll out "board number 2" from the factory?
    1. bars1
      bars1 8 May 2020 10: 45 New
      0
      In August 2018 a contract was signed (first) for two cars. The term of the contract is 2018-2020. Somewhere in October they’ll roll out where to rush.
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 8 May 2020 23: 32 New
        0
        Quote: bars1
        In August 2018 a contract was signed (first) for two cars. The term of the contract is 2018-2020. Somewhere in October they’ll roll out where to rush.

        Almost 2 years have passed since the conclusion of the contract. So far, no aircraft have been delivered to the troops. What is it, his 2 people are being collected, who, at the same time, are leaving for many months of hard drinking?
    2. askort154
      askort154 8 May 2020 11: 11 New
      -3
      voyaka uh God be with him, with the engine of the 2nd stage.
      The main thing is to transfer the first production aircraft to the troops.


      The main thing is not to rivet "raw" products. Surely, the accident indicated this. And the question of the accident, apparently serious. You can't write off a mistake in piloting technique, or poor quality fuel. It's good that the pilot is alive.
      He, for sure, clarified the entire emergency situation in addition to the means of objective control. It’s better to postpone the series for 5-10 years than rivet 76
      potentially emergency, very expensive items.
      A good example of this is your "idol" F-35. Hastily riveted hundreds, now everyone is suffering with him. And the Japanese disaster was generally classified. hi
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 May 2020 16: 00 New
        +4
        "Hundreds have been hastily riveted, now everyone is suffering with him" ///
        ----
        But he does not fall. There are only two disasters for 500 pieces and 250,000 flight hours.
        Reliability record among fighters.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 16: 52 New
          +1
          A few more beaten, burned and decommissioned etc .. Forgot you go?
          For 110 Su-35s made in Russia, over the past 10 years there has not been a single disaster and decommissioned.
        2. askort154
          askort154 8 May 2020 16: 54 New
          -1
          voyaka uh .....But he does not fall. There are only two disasters for 500 pieces and 250,000 flight hours.
          Reliability record among fighters.


          We turn to arithmetic. 250: 000: 500 months (120 years) = 10 hours.
          That is, the average monthly flight time on a scheduled aircraft is only 4,16 hours! (or about 9 minutes a day). That is, 23 hours and 51 minutes a day, the plane is on the ground. How can he not be "a little emergency" ?!
          Now figure out what the pilots have, if you take at least two pilots on a plane. But seriously, where are the guarantees of the veracity of these statistics = 250 hours? Where is the guarantee that these figures are not PR
          manufacturer. The advertisement is engine of the trade ! So they like to say. hi
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 May 2020 19: 03 New
            +3
            For 10 years to divide is not correct. The plant increased output only in the last
            4-5 years. In Israel, 20 pieces of F-35, and they are used intensively in military operations.
            They are satisfied.
            I wish that the Su-57 in Russia also be pleased.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 20: 21 New
              -1
              And therefore, Israel wants to buy Needles? Funny .....
              That is, Israel was vparili Penguin, "The coolest fighter in the world" (p.), But the Jews themselves want Needles ..... Cool, well, cho.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 May 2020 20: 41 New
                +4
                Israeli F-15s are very old. Soon they will have to start writing off.
                Therefore, they decided, after receiving 50 F-35s, to buy a squadron of 25 F-15s.
                And then continue the purchase of F-35 - another 25 pieces.
                In total, it is planned to buy 100 F-35 instead of 200 F-16, which are already starting
                write off.
            2. askort154
              askort154 9 May 2020 06: 46 New
              0
              voyaka uh For 10 years to divide is not correct. The plant increased output only in the last 4-5 years.

              Therefore, I wrote that the numbers 500 and 250 are the PR of the manufacturer.

              In Israel, 20 pieces of F-35, and they are used intensively in military operations.

              Intensively! What is it like ? 5 departures per day, or per month?
              And in what "combat operations"? He took off, entered Lebanese airspace illegally, fired a couple of missiles through Syria and quickly home.

              Happy Victory Day to all who honor it! drinks
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 9 May 2020 11: 50 New
                +1
                "He took off, entered Lebanese airspace illegally,
                launched a couple of missiles into Syria "////
                ----
                No. This is a simple job, and it is performed by the F-16.

                And you with Victory Day! drinks
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 8 May 2020 16: 59 New
      0
      And you look for a start characteristics with the motors of the 1st stage. They are quite worthy. The motor of the 2nd stage surpasses the American F-119 in power, and only not many reach the power of F-135. This is a breakthrough.
  8. jaroff
    jaroff 8 May 2020 18: 03 New
    +3
    Testing the new motor is really hard. One plane is a flying laboratory, where one engine is old, the other 30. People work, they dig out the flaws that are revealed in flights. Praise be to them, to those people who work with this motor.
    Separately, what the big bosses say. But we understand who is in the topic, how the big boss is preparing information, especially for the media.
    But it’s better to be silent.
  9. Vasily Ponomarev
    Vasily Ponomarev 8 May 2020 18: 05 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "Hundreds have been hastily riveted, now everyone is suffering with him" ///
    ----
    But he does not fall. There are only two disasters for 500 pieces and 250,000 flight hours.
    Reliability record among fighters.

    in comparison with the legendary f16, it does not fall at all
  10. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 8 May 2020 21: 23 New
    0
    Article FIRE winked One talker did not know what to say ... The second did not know what to write ... The result is an article with 500 characters. The plane will come to the troops. Such stories in aviation are a dime a dozen. Each aircraft has its own story. It seems that the plane is not right to call. This is a complex. He took off one, set another. Everyone is moving in such a scenario. Progressssss is also called technology development.
  11. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 9 May 2020 00: 15 New
    -2
    The engine began to be designed in the mid-2000s as the aircraft itself, in the mid-2020s it (the engine) may appear in the series.
    20 years. Apparently, this is the reality.
    Very, very sad. But it will be worse if he does not appear at all with the characteristics that are expected.
    The Su-57 itself is not needed without an engine, for it will not differ in any way from the already beautiful Su-35.
  12. Miron
    Miron 10 May 2020 07: 39 New
    0
    Just yesterday, one of the Su-57 testers reported that now a car with full tanks with ammunition is going to 2M in normal mode and 2,4M in afterburner.
    When these wild verbal antics about some stages of engines for PAK-FA finally end there.
  13. asr55
    asr55 17 October 2020 23: 07 New
    0
    The deliveries of the 5th generation Su-57 fighters to the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Armed Forces are planned in two stages: until the mid-2020s with a fourth generation engine (two fighters were built) despite the fact that the first Su-57 with a first stage engine crashed ... In the second half of 20220 - with a fifth-generation engine, said Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko. His words are quoted by RIA Novosti. Military review began to fall in my eyes. You need to take a close look at the authors of such articles.