Turkey announces “breakthrough” in UAV production

The Turkish media published an article reporting on the significant progress of Turkish production in the field of military drones. The development of the program of operational-tactical medium-altitude UAVs is noted, among which the Banner Bearer (Bayraktar) occupies a special place. These drones are actively used by the Turkish armed forces in the Syrian Arab Republic (in the province of Idlib), as well as in Libya, where they strike at the positions of the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar.

The Turkish TRT information service regarding the development of military drones programs cites excerpts from the Danish press, which states that Turkey, having bought drones from Israel at one time, decided to eventually abandon mass import and develop its own production of such aircraft.

In TRT Material:

Turkey climbed to third place in the world in military unmanned aerial vehicles.

It is noted that there has been a "breakthrough" in fact over the past few years.

From the material:

If earlier Turkey was positioned as an importer of UAVs, now it is already widely exporting its aviation unmanned vehicles.

An example is the export of Turkish-made UAVs to Ukraine, Qatar and Tunisia.

From the article:

In Europe, Turkey is called a UAV superpower throughout the Middle East.

And again, the Danish publication is cited as an example.

An agreement to acquire Turkish “Bayraktarov” was signed while in office as President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. The total value of the contract, which was reported in the press, is $ 69 million.

Some characteristics of Bayraktar TB2

Wingspan: 12 m, maximum take-off weight - 650 kg, load capacity (non-upgraded version) - up to 60 kg. The autonomy of the flight is 24 hours, the range is about 180 km, the maximum speed is about 225 km / h. Ceiling - 8,2 km. As weapons can use UMTAS missiles.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

Turkey announces “breakthrough” in UAV production

Well, if you just do it and invest, then the result will always be.

Turkey climbed to third place in the world in military unmanned aerial vehicles.

And here clarification is required. Quality or quantity. I think 3rd place is still the number.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Turkey announces “breakthrough” in UAV production

And here clarification is required. Quality or quantity. I think 3rd place is still the number.

In Idlib, their UAVs launched long-range artillery, allowing them to destroy armored vehicles with a single shot.
So with the quality they are doing well.

[g1v2]

In Idlib, their UAVs were simply not shot down at first. According to the agreement, the Turks had the right to patrol territory with reconnaissance drones. Yes, and the first anti-Saa group did not have the means of defense. As soon as the air defense was pulled up and gave the green light to the destruction of Turkish drones, the evening immediately ceased to be languid. And Libya is an even more vivid example. Only the Turks themselves recognize the loss of 17 UAVs there. Haftarovts count more than 30. The truth is somewhere in between. As soon as air defense systems appear, the effectiveness of Turkish drones immediately drops, and the losses increase sharply. Another thing is that for an army of this level it is still a good replacement for attack aircraft. At least valuable pilots do not die.

[TermNachTer]

The descendants of the Janissaries somehow forget that they either import engines for their UAVs or buy components, so that at any moment their 3rd place can be covered with a copper basin.

[Oquzyurd]

Starting this year, they are independent of the import of engines. They themselves began to mass-produce local PD170 engines for UAVs.

[TermNachTer]

Full cycle? Including casting parts? For which UAV?

[Cyril G ...]

And what is the fundamental problem there, e \ the same is not a ship gas-turbine engine and not a modern turbofan engine. Take the motor and fit. It is rumored that we are planning a motor from the motorcade as an engine on the Yak-152 and Altius

[TermNachTer]

Not so simple. A small UAV can be equipped with a conventional internal combustion engine, but fuel consumption and power are the question. On the "bayraktar" there were Canadian turbojet engines, when the Canadians didn’t get involved, the Banderlog were harnessed. But if tomorrow the banderlog will be told no way - who will be next?

[Oquzyurd]

For new UAVs, "Aksungur" (2 x 170 liters) and "Akinci" (2 x 220 liters) There is a video report, which says that these engines can be installed on Bayraktar, if necessary. It is also said that Turkey is to produce those elements and engine parts that will protect against sudden sanctions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yjuREVsui0

[svp67]

Turkey really made a huge breakthrough in the design and manufacture of its own UAVs and weapons for them. It must be admitted. And the way they massively applied them in Syria was a big surprise. But there is Israel nearby, which in this matter has surpassed not only Turkey, but also the USA.

[Siberian 66]

Unfortunately, the use of the BLAA against us has been a surprise since 1982 ... And so far, it has been unexpected for us and our allies.

[Interlocutor]

Is it a surprise against us? Come on.

[edmed]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Unfortunately, the use of BLAA against us is a surprise since 1982 ...

Quote: Interlocutor

Is it a surprise against us? Come on.

Unfortunately, yes, Soviet air defense in Syria was opened by Israel using UAVs.

[Cyril G ...]

The issue is not an autopsy, the problem is that according to our instructions, immediately after the shooting, a change of positions was envisaged, for which equipment of several reserve positions was envisaged. The Syrians didn’t do that, laziness. The divisions in the Bekaa Valley have grown corny in the ground. Compare with the air defense forces of northern Vietnam, yes. Plus, a technical point, in the 70s - 80s in the export version there are banal fewer letter frequencies of wartime in air defense systems, for example.

[edmed]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Cyril G ... (Cyril)

I cannot challenge your judgment, dilettante, but from what I read, the Soviet specialists did not pay attention to any "buzzers" from the Israeli side, and were punished

[Cyril G ...]

Everything was wrong (p.). About drones and their use in Vietnam as false targets could be read even in ZVO. Arabs, regardless of the cartridge, always lose the modern one. They can only win the civilian.

[edmed]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Everything was wrong (p.)

I don’t argue! BUT, there was a lesson in Syria, did we not learn it or skipped it? Today, the percussionists smack at everything that moves, the reconnaissance transmit, everything that they see, the result is a loss, but you can somehow teach them, somehow ISIS, too, "local lads", were able to take shape into something effective, and others graze goats.

[Doccor18]

"Breakthrough is announced in Turkey
in the field of UAV production "
And what is the breakthrough?
Routine UAVs.

[Alexey from Perm]

we and those are not yet in service

[Doccor18]

Yes, especially there are not any obstacles to this, except organizational.

[Snail N9]

I like the jingo-chants of the hats from the especially stubborn patriots. They always have something to respond to the next obvious breakthrough in the military-technical progress of neighboring countries clearly overtaking Russia. Here is the algorithm of their actions: 1) at first to shout that nothing new was invented there, and in the USSR-Russia this was developed back in 198 ... year, 2) to shout that they did not invent it themselves, but copied it from someone, 3) screaming about what quality this development can have - complete garbage, 4) screaming that this is just development, prototypes, and when it comes to mass production, 5) shouting that mass production is underway slowly and until the troops are saturated with this technology, science will go ahead and all this will become obsolete, 6) shout that such technology is not enough and it is expensive and therefore does not pose a serious threat ... But here we are! everything is only "the most reliable", "no analogue in the world", "wunder-whale-like" - from which, all our enemies "will simply die"!

[VicktorVR]

Well, they didn’t know how to do these. And now on stream in production and is actively used.

[alone]

Quote: VicktorVR

Well, they didn’t know how to do these. And now on stream in production and is actively used.

And they are not only using, but have already begun to enter the market, they are selling these BLPA ... Soon they will start up the production of BLPA "Akyndzhy" ... And this is already from the class of all-weather heavy shock BLPA

[Dmitry from Voronezh]

In general, there are no grounds to consider the characteristics of "Bayraktar" as outstanding. The payload is small, the radius is small. So, in general, a reconnaissance UAV with the ability to strike. Our Orion has even better characteristics, although, of course, it is not yet in the series. In general, it is expensive and ineffective to use such UAVs to deliver strikes, even though Bayraktar or Orion. They cannot be compared to helicopters or attack aircraft. So their impact use is justified mainly by gaining experience in use.

[Alexey from Perm]

totally disagree. Very effective and very justified, in the case of a downed UAV, no one dies. and an UAV kills crews and equipment. Living people die. If you increase the series to reduce costs will be even more effective.

[V.I.P.]

If it is expensive, then there are loitering ammunition. Small, inexpensive, found a target and destroyed. In Israel, there is even a loitering ammunition, it can be equipped with reconnaissance equipment or as a strike. At the same time, he can return back if he did not hit the target (there is even an indication that he flew out as a shock one, so that people would treat him accordingly). ..Well, or "Tamuz" is Israeli-efficient and not expensive)) ……… ..In the Russian Federation, the loitering "Lancet" is rolled around exhibitions, but as usual foreigners do not buy. And the RF Ministry of Defense does not need this. They have guns "Rapier")))))))) .. not having analogs in the world)))

[Thrifty]

The first and main difference between Turkey and us is that they adopted drone drone armaments, no matter how good they turned out. The main thing is that they have them and are mass gathering. And for many years we have been pulling the cat for genetics, having created a total of more than 20 prototype drone, there are no shock options in the arsenal of Russia from the word at all!

[Alexey from Perm]

The quality of Turkish UAVs is very decent. They proved it to everyone in Syria

[Interlocutor]

The hands of the Syrian air defense fighters are very clumsy. Bosko stupid. They also proved it.

[really]

Do not forget that the Syrian air defense is opposed by worthy opponents, which may therefore be difficult for them.

[hagen]

Quote: Thrifty

And for many years we have been pulling the cat for genetics, having created a total of more than 20 prototype drone, there are no shock options in the arsenal of Russia from the word at all!

"..... Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov noted that about 60-70 Russian drones (light Orlan-10 and Eleron-3 vehicles, heavy Forposts) are in the Syrian sky every day, conducting reconnaissance, They carry out electronic suppression missions and a number of others.During the hostilities of the Russian group in Syria, the drones performed over 15 thousand tasks and spent about 100 thousand hours in the sky.
Earlier, American media reported that Russian troops in Syria had been blocking the GPS satellite navigation signals of American drones for several weeks. And this significantly affects the operations of the US Armed Forces. According to sources, interference is created for relatively small reconnaissance drones, and the means for jamming are able to overcome the protection from jammers .... "As for the shock ... Their absence, perhaps, is compensated by cheaper elements of systems such as RUK-ROK.

[donavi49]

Well, you can watch the same ANNA news videos from the time of the onset of Sukhel and broken counterattacks. Everything is perfectly visible there.

Outpost or Orlan flies - fixes. The Babahs disembarked and deployed rockets on rails in the garden. The Baha'is fired back. The babahs got into the truck and dumped. Then bang bang in the garden of the FABs. Then bang bang around the house, where they were supposedly unloaded by the FABs.

An impact UAV, even with a pair of crackers, could:
- blow up their truck full of missiles, closing their cell immediately.
- scare, blowing up the truck when they are already unloaded.

Total strike UAV in the area could effectively prevent missiles from the Garden + destroy the cell, vehicles and ammunition.

Well, a bunch of such moments. The UAV sees the level of crowded, loaded into BMPhU, go. Hiding in the village. An impact UAV would close this BMPhu. And as a result of the blow to the village, it is not clear whether the BMP was closed, and if it was, then the assault cell could well survive in another house.

As for the price - the departure of the Su-24/34 with a couple of Fabs is very, very expensive. Impact UAV can perform the functions of reconnaissance no worse than pure reconnaissance. That is, one does not interfere with the other. Just what kind of Anka / TV / Reaper provides another, additional tool, to quickly strike when the enemy is in the most vulnerable position.

[Private-K]

The Russian military, in principle, does not believe in aircraft that go astray as soon as the pr-ka has at least some adequate air defense. Bayraktar UAVs are an exclusively counterguerrilla weapon.
But for reconnaissance patrols in peacetime, such UAVs are convenient, yes.

[really]

And with whom are they fighting in Syria, with partisans

[NN52]

Thrifty
And then this is "what"?

[rotmistr60]

Turkey is called in Europe superpower UAVs throughout the Middle East.

The question immediately arises: why does the "superpower" export its UAVs only to Ukraine, Qatar and Tunisia? It is a fact that in recent years Turkish drones have become frequently featured not only in the media, but also in hot spots. But nevertheless, one should probably not forget that there is Israel in this region, which is far ahead of Turkey in this direction.

[Alexey from Perm]

We have seen this in Syria, it is. Where is the import substitution, which we have so much to say. In Turkey they do, and then they say.

[501 Legion]

"superpower", thank you. Apparently in every country there is such a media that has everything the coolest and unparalleled

[Karaul73]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Turkey announces “breakthrough” in UAV production

Well, if you just do it and invest, then the result will always be.

Turkey climbed to third place in the world in military unmanned aerial vehicles.

And here clarification is required. Quality or quantity. I think 3rd place is still the number.

Envy silently. In Turkey, at least it is clear that they are engaged in drones. And very seriously. Russia still has to go this thorny path.

[Dmitry from Voronezh]

It is not yet seen that the Turks have created something extraordinary. Here you still need to figure out how Turkish UAVs are really "Turkish". What kind of engines are there? What kind of electronics? It may well be that all this is imported. They have access to the technology of their NATO allies. We have a different situation - we are creating UAVs on our own technological base. Maybe we would be glad to buy technology, but no one will sell it. And so, if the Turks created something like "Riper", one could speak of a breakthrough, but the characteristics of "Bayraktar" are very modest. So the Turks are just boasting to promote their product.

[donavi49]

Well, take the same Orion - the Rotax 914 engine from Austria is there. And it was already set, which they could get. Far from optimal. For example, a TV2 that is lighter and less worth a similar one is Rotax 912.

The first anchors came with Chinese engines, now they produce PD170 turboprops at TEI in Turkey.

Similarly, the flagship - the heavyweight Aksugur (500kg of bombs and missiles is lucky), only a slightly different version of the PD170 with an emergency mode of 220 hp

As you can see, the Turks completely replaced import by force

[Oquzyurd]

On Bayraktar-TV2 there are 6 control units for all systems, from automatic flight and landing to fire control. All of them were developed by the Baykar company with the support of the Aselsan companies, Roketsan and Havelsan, programmed and encrypted. This is what makes them real Almost every country can create a flying box, a pipe with wings, etc. That is why not everyone can make smart and safe control units.

[Oquzyurd]

At the end of the summer there will be the first flight of the civilian version of the "Cezeri" from the Baikar company. The goal is to create a fully automated apparatus, to be ready for the boom in requirements for such machines in 2030-40. People work thinking 15-20 years ahead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8iWiQBFENI

[Nikolaevich I]

The Turks have a "breakthrough" ... the Iranians have a "breakthrough" ... but why is it so bad for us? Do they really have more "kickbacks"?

[donavi49]

When the Iranians were already raising the first drone UAVs, the MO considered it unnecessary toys, investing in response to the African X47. When they realized that the toys needed, time was lost. Hence the unavailability of allies, dvigatelist. Plus, the designers have different problems.

[rocket757]

UAVs will develop, expand the range of tasks. Methods and means of dealing with them will also develop.
So far, protection methods can effectively level the threat from UAVs ... where they are and are applied as they should.
The standard opposition of the sword and shield. We will look at the further development of both.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

applied as it should.
The standard opposition of the sword and shield.

The Turkish drone made a rustle when they were used en masse and unexpectedly. The panic started real. They pulled up the air defense, worked out the tactics of use - and knocked them down to the utter paralysis of the use of these devices. In Syria. With the right air defense, the effectiveness of such large and expensive UAVs as drums seems not too justified ...

[rocket757]

Everything must be properly planned and done, respectively.
Reputable countries already have a solid arsenal of various pieces, the use of which or attack must be provided for in ANY PLAN!

[voyaka uh]

"If you have the correct air defense" ////
----
Proper air defense is correctly destroyed by kamikadets shock drones and
gliding bombs.
All from a safe distance.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

Proper air defense is correctly destroyed by kamikadets shock drones and
gliding bombs.
All from a safe distance

This is all - in the conditions of an incomprehensible war, when strikes are delivered selectively, "don't go there, go there" ... Massive use of Drones in an "incomprehensible war"? Not logical. And when the war is serious, then they cover it too seriously ... do you suppose strikes on airfields? Using electronic warfare equipment at full capacity? And the air defense will work entirely, and not "selectively"!
Don't boast. This is not a war, but "muddy water" ... That's why you get a lot ...

[voyaka uh]

Israel is a practitioner. What kind of fighting is actually taking place,
new weapons are being fitted to those. Turks practice too
And the reasoning: "but if ..." This is for the general staffs and smart generals
in uniforms.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: rocket757

So far, protection methods can effectively level the threat from UAVs ... where they are and are applied as they should.

So far, the Turks used UAVs singly.
A dozen other UAVs are forced to use air defense for each of them even before they reach manned aircraft flying behind them. A UAV is necessary just once hit the radar or pu. No air defense effectiveness is foreseen.

[rocket757]

Ha, ha, another expert of air defense ....

[Sarcasm]

Quote: donavi49

When the Iranians were already raising the first drone UAVs, the MO considered it unnecessary toys, investing in response to the African X47. When they realized that the toys needed, time was lost. Hence the unavailability of allies, dvigatelist. Plus, the designers have different problems.

Domestic UAV systems were developed back in Soviet times. Such equipment was monitored and conclusions were drawn; another thing in the period before and after the collapse of the USSR was no means for R&D and production. The only model that, being developed by the Yakovlev Design Bureau back in the USSR, nevertheless entered the arsenal of our army was the Stroy complex with the Bee UAV.
That is, the design bureaus are competent enough to develop or modernize the existing UAV systems were and are, and everything else is a madhouse designed for cutting.
Stupidly there was no money, or rather they were, but they went to palaces, yachts and Courchevels of Families, "dear friends" and other monsters.

[alone]

Quote: Sarkazm

Stupidly there was no money

5 billion rubles were allocated for the development of the Russian BLPA. When the money "ran out" was acquired by the Israeli Starcher and an Outpost was created on its basis ...

[Maks1995]

Yes, they wrote, the Turks are advancing in many areas.

It is a pity, there is no comparison on the release of them, the USA, the Russian Federation, Israel and others. 3rd place - this is a serious application.

[nikvic46]

Military experts have already appreciated the role of these aircraft. It's time for politicians to say their word and conclude the necessary agreements.

[rocket757]

It is doubtful for many reasons!
1. serious guys have advantages in this direction, why should they limit themselves?
2. The military have not yet "played enough" with the novelty, especially since it is still intensively developing ... no, they won't!
3. And what agreements and who is now observing directly, directly, necessarily? with whom to negotiate ???
You can still find reasons ... not, politicians themselves will not want to, at least those who have this topic developing successfully! and any small shade is of no interest to anyone.

[APASUS]

Turkey has already risen to third place in the world in military unmanned aerial vehicles, a country of tomatoes, resorts and clothes. And we, as always, listen to the promises of Rogozin and Co.

[Yeraz]

Quote: APASUS

country tomato, resorts and clothes.

Turkey is no longer a country of tomatoes, resorts and clothes. For example, try to give Georgia an order to produce 937 parts and components for the F-35. Can it be because Georgia is a country of tourism and wine. And Turkey has long had its own developed industry, its scientists, engineers, etc. a good level.

[APASUS]

Quote: Yeraz

Turkey is no longer a country of tomatoes, resorts and clothes. For example, try to give Georgia an order to produce 937 parts and components for the F-35. Can it be because Georgia is a country of tourism and wine. And Turkey has long had its own developed industry, its scientists, engineers, etc. a good level.

Nobody argues about the availability of high-tech industries in Turkey. The fact is that Turkey cannot be attributed to countries with high technological potential, here success is only in certain sectors. And at the same time, having enormous technological, financial, human, natural resources, we probably won’t even go to 10 countries that are armed with UAVs? We are good only officials are able to tell plans for the future, here we are certainly in the first place !!

[Oquzyurd]

"It will not work to attribute Turkey to countries with high technological potential, there are only successes in certain sectors." They have a fairly powerful base of technologies, knowledge, material and production base. I will give a simple example: a scarce, up-to-date ventilator. Just a month ago, Seljuk Bayraktar (chief in the Baykar company) took up the initiative to urgently let in a local ventilator, since many countries stopped selling these devices due to the virus, because they themselves needed it. Many local manufacturers and companies responded to him. countries such as Vestel-Arcelik, Aselsan, Havelsan, etc. In short, in just 15 days they developed and put into production the necessary ventilators. Design, body, all related elements were made by Vestel-Arcelik, electronic filling, programs, etc. were provided by other companies. Isn't this a prime example that when you have your own, there is interaction, you can do a lot. In this example, there is another example of useful, operational cooperation between civilian (Arcelik, household appliances) and military companies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3obiSiWil4 Delivery of the first batch of these serial ventilators

[APASUS]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Just a month ago, Seljuk Bayraktar (the main company at Baikar) took the initiative to urgently need to let in a local ventilation device, because many countries stopped selling these devices because of the need, as many local manufacturers and companies responded to it. countries such as Vestel-Arcelik, Aselsan, Havelsan, etc. In short, in just 15 days they developed and put into the series the necessary mechanical ventilation. Design, housing, all related elements made by Vestel-Arcelik, electronic filling, programs, etc.

An example is good enough, but the problem is that the production of UAVs is an order of magnitude more complicated, I'm not talking about the electronics and communication systems used.

[Oquzyurd]

"applied electronics and communication systems." Aselsan is one of the well-known companies in the world in this business. This two-year-old film briefly shows the opportunities and activities of this company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDHosNdwP10

[Kleon]

I would not want to be connected to a ventilator for the development and launch of a series of which took two weeks. It is better to die immediately and not to suffer. Believe in this hat can only those who have never had any relation to any development, especially medical equipment.

[Oquzyurd]

Of course, everything is not so simple. In one of the small companies there was development and knowledge in this direction. Just large companies took it together, completed it, launched it in a series. I wanted to show organization in a difficult situation, accumulated knowledge, material and production capabilities of the country .These devices are now shipped from the United States to African countries. These companies have already donated 1100 units of IVL to Turkish hospitals. 5000 units will be released in May for sale abroad.

[Oquzyurd]

Ethno-hatred is destroying you, slowly, slowly, but surely. Those units that do not fall into the trap of agitation of ethno-hatred will no longer save you from a bad end.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Sarkazm

Stupidly there was no money

5 billion rubles were allocated for the development of the Russian BLPA. When the money "ran out" was acquired by the Israeli Starcher and an Outpost was created on its basis ...

It seems that we speak the same language, well, we write for sure:
Stupidly there was no money more precisely, they were, but went to palaces, yachts and Courchevels of Families, "dear friends" and other freaks.

[Voltsky]

In Europe, Turkey is called a UAV superpower throughout the Middle East.

surprised and amazed

[alone]

Quote: Voletsky

surprised and amazed

In vain .... People work ...

[flicker]

And what is the breakthrough then?

If previously Turkey was positioned as an importer of UAVs, now it is already widely exporting its unmanned aerial vehicles.

An example is the export of Turkish-made UAVs to Ukraine, Qatar and Tunisia.

Ukraine
Is it called broadly?