Second Lebanon War. Why there were few air raids

Second Lebanon War. Why there were few air raids

In one of my articles on the wars of Israel, I pointed out that wars are the result of accumulating contradictions. Wars ripen like fruits on a tree and do not start on their own. The legendary military leader and strategist Sun Tzu (VI-V centuries BC) in his treatise "The Art of War" noted:


"The reasons for future wars are always laid in the results of previous wars."

After completion, they are scrupulously researched, studied and analyzed by military experts and historians for years. From past wars, government leaders are required to draw appropriate conclusions. Those who do not draw appropriate conclusions, do not learn from the military and political mistakes of the past, are doomed to new mistakes and new defeats.

Readers familiar with my publications apparently noticed that the wars of Israel are not very easy to understand. The second Lebanese was no exception in this regard. When preparing the article, it was found that there is not so much quality material from reliable sources, scientific papers and studies. More than once I came across texts moving from one article to another, going far beyond the scope of reality, digital data, some stories that have nothing to do with reality, etc. In the end, I got a decent amount of interesting material, quite clearly and fully describing the events of those days, and not only on the battlefields, but also in politics, diplomacy and Israeli society. I hope that readers will find my selection interesting.

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Leaving Lebanon in May 2000, Israel fully complied with UN Security Council Resolution No. 425, but Lebanon, unlike Egypt and Jordan, never signed a peace treaty with Israel, although it was not difficult to do so: it would have been enough to ratify The peace agreement ratified (under pressure from Syria), concluded by Menachem Begin and Amin Gemayel on May 17, 1983.

When Ehud Barak withdrew Israeli troops from southern Lebanon beyond the UN-recognized state border, it was assumed that now the militant Lebanese Shiite organization Hezbollah would lose its slogan of fighting the invaders and transform from a military organization into a political party.


Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel. Amin Gemayel, President of Lebanon


Ehud Barak

This did not happen. Hezbollah has been represented in the Lebanese parliament since 1992, when Hassan Nasrallah became its leader, and in 2005 its members even entered the government.


Hassan Nasrallah

Everything was in order with politics, but according to the logic of things, after the Israelis left Lebanon there’s nothing more to fight for and you can disarm. But such logic in the East does not work. Since Iran pays money for the armed struggle with Israel, then we must continue to fight. And for what now? And Nasrallah put forward two new reasons. Firstly, we must continue to help the Palestinian brothers, and secondly, the Israelis did not completely leave Lebanese territory. If everything is clear with the Palestinian brothers, then the border issue needs clarification.

Once upon a time, in the legendary 1967, the IDF advanced along the Golan Heights and captured Mount Hermon from the Syrians. One of Hermon's spurs went west and rested on the Lebanese border. The Arabs called him Jabal Ras, in Israel he became known as Mount Dov (har Dov), by the name of the captain Dov Rodberg who died in this place, and in the rest of the world - as the farms of Shaba (or Shaab), as it really was on this slope several arab farms. Since then, this range began to belong to Israel as part of the Golan Heights.


But in 2000, when the Israelis left southern Lebanon, then Lebanese president Emil Lahoud suddenly “remembered” that Shaba's farms belong to Lebanon.


Emil Lahoud

He cited some confusing evidence, but the Israelis quickly found out that according to the census, paying taxes and participating in elections, the inhabitants of the farms were Syrian citizens.

The UN had another 10 maps issued after 1966 by various Lebanese government agencies, including the Ministry of Defense, which placed these sites inside the Syrian Arab Republic. The UN also examined six maps issued by the government of the Syrian Arab Republic, including three maps of 1966 that housed these farms within the Syrian Arab Republic, and Anglo-French maps of 1923, and the 1949 armistice agreement that hosted the area in Syria.

On June 18, 2000, the UN Secretary General confirmed that Israel had implemented Resolution No. 425 and that the UN-recognized border, the so-called blue line, did not include Shebaa Farm in Lebanese territory. United Nations considers this land Syrian territoryoccupied by Israel, the question of which should be decided by Syria and Israel among themselves.

The UN agreed, but Hezbollah did not. So there was a reason to continue the "struggle with the invaders."

Throughout the period 2000-2006, this struggle was conducted sluggishly and carefully. Some “rules of the game” were established: gunmen with border guards could shoot, but without kidnapping soldiers and without attacking Israeli civilian settlements. Israel also responded sluggishly and carefully. But intelligence knew Hezbollah was loading weaponsincluding rockets that digs bunkers and trains. Scratched hands to stop all this. But from March 2001 to January 2006 in the prime minister’s chair in Israel sat a man who could not afford to give the order for a military operation in Lebanon, Ariel Sharon.


For many people in the world, Israel’s first war in Lebanon in 1982 was associated with his name. He was accused of not preventing the massacre of Muslim residents of the Palestinian camps of Sabra and Shatil, faithful Christian phalangists, who blamed the death of the newly elected President of Lebanon, Bashir Zhmayel, the Palestinians. How can he again lead the IDF to Lebanon?

The only thing he could afford was to raise the issue of installing Hezbollah missiles along the Israeli border and the presence of the Syrian military in Lebanon at every meeting with foreign leaders. In the end he was heard. On September 2004, 1559, the UN adopted resolution No. XNUMX, which demanded the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Lebanon, the disarmament of all militarized groups, the spread of control of the Lebanese government and army throughout the country, and the holding of presidential elections free of foreign influence.

The Syrians left Lebanon in April 2005, and the Hezbollah leader Nasrallah did not want to disarm. Entering the political arena, he promised to achieve the release of the Lebanese in Israeli prisons (and there were only two). One of them is Samir Kuntar.


He had been sitting since 1979, after a terrorist attack in the region of Nahariya, where he shot a man point blank and killed a child, breaking his skull with several blows of the butt (sentenced to five life sentences plus 47 years in prison).

The second, Nisim Nasser, an Israeli citizen, an Arab, was arrested in 2002. Convicted of spying for Hezbollah and sentenced to six years in prison.

During the 2005 Lebanese elections, Nasrallah personally promised the Kuntar family to attend to the rescue of their son. With this promise, he drove himself to a dead end, from which he began to look for a way out. He scratched his black beard for a long time, but he came up with only one way: Hezbollah abducts an Israeli soldier, and then exchanges him for Lebanese and Palestinians. The Nasrallah fighters made such an attempt on November 21, 2005, but were left with nothing, having lost three people in battle. After that, the Shiites subsided and temporarily stopped climbing on the rampage.

We got used to this situation, and so it continued until June 2006. But, at about 9 a.m. on June 12, Hezbollah fighters attacked a border patrol of two Humvi jeeps, rocket-fired mortar shells at the fortified Nurit village and the Shlomi border village. During the shelling, 11 civilians were injured. The attack killed eight and injured three Israeli soldiers. Two servicemen, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, were captured.


It is difficult to say whether these soldiers were alive at the time when they were in the hands of Hezbollah, but back Israel received only sacks of bones. (Their remains will be returned to Israel on June 16, 2008 during the exchange of prisoners.) There was a violation of the rules of the game - an attack on the civilian population and the abduction of soldiers. It was necessary to react ...

Here I am forced to take a break and explain what Israel was politically like in 2006 and headed by whom it approached the very line that was followed by a war.

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Due to Ariel Sharon's unexpected serious illness, Ehud Olmert, a man who could see this chair only in pink dreams, ended up in the chair of the head of state.


Olmert was not a former general, like Rabin, Barack or Sharon, but in the First Lebanese he served as an officer. A man with higher education, a lawyer, was elected to the Knesset in 1973, becoming at 28 the youngest deputy in stories Israeli parliament. He constantly grew, held the posts of ministers, members of important state commissions. In 1993, he was elected mayor of Jerusalem. Olmert was impressed by Ariel Sharon, who seduced him with a new career in the Knesset and did not deceive him. In March 2003, Olmert became deputy head of government and received a portfolio of Sharon's Minister of Industry and Trade. In August 2005, he was appointed Minister of Finance, continuing to be Minister of Trade and Industry. In these positions he was met by an unexpected twist of fate.

In different ways, people meet such turns. Olmert was not a charisma brilliant orator and unbending leader. Rather, he was a good performer, a workhorse of politics, an apprentice, but an initiative and experienced apparatchik. An unexpected take-off did not plunge him into prostration. Easily enough, he formed a ruling coalition (in Israel, a multi-party system and the creation of a coalition is not an easy task, which was often broken by teeth and not such beavers), losing to the allies twelve ministries out of twenty-four.

At the same time, the Ministry of Defense went to the socialist leader, the former head of the trade unions Amir Peretz.


A 54-year-old native of Morocco, Peretz was not a general. He ended his army service with an airborne officer after being seriously wounded in Sinai in 1974. Over the past 22 years since then, he has become a completely civilian. He was the mayor of Sderot, and in 1995 became the leader of the "General Federation of Workers of the Land of Israel" - the Israeli trade union, and for almost 10 years he haunted the country with partial and general strikes. Moreover, he sought for the local “proletariat and labor intelligentsia” to raise the level of wages and improve social conditions and the mandatory pension contributions of the employer in favor of the employee. In general, Amir Peretz would be very fond of Russians who like to recall the times of the USSR. He is a solid socialist with a communist bias, a consistent fighter for social justice in society, for the equal distribution of benefits. At the same time he is a modest and a wonderful family man. He has four children and a bunch of grandchildren. This government led the country towards a new war.

The situation at Olmert and Peretz was unenviable. The recent complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza has not stopped the shelling of Sderot and Ashkelon rockets. And in January 2006, Hamas gained control of Gaza after completely democratic elections. It was inconvenient to criticize the comatose Sharon, but the non-comatose Olmert was a convenient whipping boy for all newspaper men. Moreover, 18 days before the Hezbollah’s sortie, Palestinians from Gaza, either Hamas, or the Committees of Popular Resistance, or the Islamic Army, or anyone else, abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.


Palestinians made a dig near the Kerem Shalom checkpoint, attacked the soldiers, killed two and captured one.

The IDF rushed to Gaza, fired (Operation Summer Rains), but did not return the soldier. The confidence of the Israelis in the Prime Minister and Minister of Defense was low, and they knew about it. And against this background is a new test.

At 10:15 in the morning, the Hezbollah television station Al Manar aired news about the "successful abduction of two Israeli soldiers." It was reported: "We will keep our promise to release our prisoners."

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Signora called to his adviser Nasrallah Hussein Khalil.
“What the hell are you starting to buzz at the height of the tourist season?” He attacked Khalil.
He calmly replied that everything would calm down in a day or two.

Representatives of the Red Cross wanted to examine the captured soldiers. They were not given ...

At 10 a.m., Olmert was just talking in Jerusalem with the parents of Gilad Shalit, abducted in Gaza. In the middle of the conversation, he was informed of news from the Lebanese border. Assistants came running, began to figure out what to do next. Everyone focused on Hezbollah, quickly began to change the schedule of meetings, and then suddenly remembered that Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi was visiting Israel.


And at 12:30 a joint press conference is scheduled. Olmert turned green, but then pulled himself together, cut a polite smile on his face and went to the Japanese. But at a press conference he suffered:
"We do not succumb to blackmail and are not going to negotiate the life of IDF soldiers."

So he waved his fists before the general government meeting.

Pepper found out news from the border even earlier than Olmert. He had just held a meeting with the generals in his ministry regarding the situation in Gaza. By noon, the entire Ministry of Defense had switched to Lebanon. At 12:45, Pepper called the whole color of the army and intelligence to the council. Serious people gathered: Chief of General Staff Dan Halutz, Head of Army Intelligence General Amos Yadlin, Head of Intelligence Mossad Meir Dagan.


Chief of General Staff Dan Halutz


Head of Army Intelligence General Amos Yadlin


Head of Intelligence Mossad Meir Dagan

The chief of the planning department, General Yitzhak Harel, and the brigadier general Miri Regev arrived.

You should be aware that the principle of a mandatory response has acted and is still in force in the Israeli army. Simply put, any artillery attack, any sabotage, any shelling should be punished. And as fast as possible. Moreover, the answer should be sharp, strong and, as they like to say now, “disproportionate”. This is due to the mentality (read, concepts) of the local opponents of Israel. The slightest indecision, delay or gentleness is instantly perceived by them as weakness and leads to the futile hopes of the enemies to win, from here to the escalation of the conflict and its delay in time.

And let's bomb Lebanon in such a way that it would be more disagreeable to them! Such was the general tone of the military. They began to think that it was best to bomb: either the international airport, or all the power plants, or the Hezbollah long-range missiles, or all at once. Or maybe bomb the Syrians just in case? Then Halutz said that he did not want to bomb the Syrians, since they had been quiet for a long time. Pepper said it’s not worth bombing a power plant either. If you turn off all the lights in all of Lebanon, the local population will suffer greatly, and this is a loss of billions. But what if in response they fire at Haifa? Pepper hesitated. In the end, they decided to bomb the Hezbollah airport and missile launchers.

Concurrently Rice, US Secretary of State, called Olmert at the same time. Want to bomb? For God's sake, but not civilian infrastructurenot the house of Fuad Signora, protect civil!


Many Lebanese did not like Nasrallah’s trick. Former president of the country, Amin Gemayel, quickly understood everything: Hezbollah dragged all of Lebanon into a military conflict of a size that it itself could not overpower. Lebanese Information Minister Razi al-Aridi quickly said:

"The Lebanese government did not know anything about the morning incident and is not responsible for it."

After that, everyone sat down to wait for the sound of falling bombs ...

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Once, in the distant 1870, France and Prussia intended to solve the pressing issues of European politics by military means. Prussia Bismarck prepared well for war, and France of Napoleon the Third badly. But Napoleon himself did not know this. His military claimed that the army was ready for war to the last button of the last soldier. Accordingly, Napoleon decided to fight, suffered a terrible defeat and lost the French crown.

After 136 years in Israel, the country was led by civilian Ehud Olmert, and the ministry of defense was no less than civilian Amir Peretz. Of course, when deciding on the start of hostilities in Lebanese territory, they also inquired about the opinion of the regular military about the combat readiness of the army. Apparently, Israeli generals also replied that the army was ready to the last button. In accordance with this information, Olmert decided to fight and plunged the country into the most incomprehensible war for her. Analyzing the facts that are known today, it is difficult for me to assess the decision of the Prime Minister as incorrect. Olmert made mistakes later when he led the government after the outbreak of war.

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The Israeli government gathered to discuss the news from the Lebanese border at 8 pm. The government had no alternative. At the meeting, the military made recommendations. They set six goals for a future military operation:

1. Move Hezbollah away from the border with Israel.
2. To deliver a crushing blow to the military power of Hezbollah and thereby free the north of Israel from the threat of terrorism.
3. Apply scare tactics.
4. To force the Lebanese government and state army to control the entire territory of the country or to involve additional international forces in this.
5. Create conditions for the release of abducted Israeli soldiers.
6. Try to keep Syria out of the emerging war.

“Our passivity will not prevent another kidnapping of soldiers,” said Halutz.

It further explained how and by what means all this will be achieved: air raids and operations of the Northern Front. These recommendations could either be accepted or not accepted.

Not accepting meant inaction, which now could not be afford, as a result, they decided to fight.

In a sense, the government’s decision to fight surprised the military, but they didn’t give a look. The operation received the code name “Worthy Retribution”.

When Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni directly asked Halutz at a government meeting how long the operation would last, he replied that everything would end this night, tomorrow morning at most.

More recently, elected government ministers, like Olmert himself, believed that everything was reliable with the army. But since March 2003, the Kela modernization plan began to work in the army. The new military strategy proceeded from two facts:

1) all the time, while the IDF (the last five years) dealt with the armed uprising of the Palestinian Arabs against the Israeli authorities in Samaria, Judea and the Gaza Strip, not a single Arab state even moved;
2) American troops are in Iraq.

Conclusion: the war does not threaten Israel, and if the situation changes (regime change in the Arab country, Americans withdraw from Iraq, etc.), then Israel will have several months to prepare.

The budget to the Ministry of Defense began to be allocated so that every year the military lacked about 2,5 billion shekels (about 700 million dollars) before they could really be ready to the last button. A lot of money. In a developing country there are always places where they can be invested, it would seem, with greater benefit: here, and education, and health care, and an increase in benefits for the disabled, who knows! This was reflected in the supply, technical equipment and training of troops.

The decision of the Israeli government surprised Hezbollah. After the fight and the abduction, Hezbollah proposed a “deal” to the Israelis: three groups would release Shalit, and Hezbollah would send two IDF troops abducted on the Lebanese-Israeli border if Israel released several thousand Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners from prison. Immediately on the day of the abduction, at 5 pm, Nasrallah spoke at a press conference:
“The abducted soldiers are safe and far from here. The only way to get them back is through indirect negotiations on exchanging them for prisoners. ”

And although, I repeat, Israel kept only two Lebanese citizens in prison - Samir Kuntar and Nisim Nasser, Nasrallah was enough. In response, explosions of bombs and rockets.

The early hours of July 13 turned into the completion of many years of army intelligence work, Mossad and Shin Bet, by definition, the deployment of large Hezbollah missiles. The Syrians and Iranians delivered to Lebanon the serious Fajr missiles weighing up to 175 kg with a range of 70 km and Zelzal weighing up to 600 kg with a range of 200 km. The Fajr missiles were up to a thousand, and the Zelzalov - a few dozen. And these engines would have flown to the heads of the Israelites if the pilots had not bombed all or almost all of these missile launchers in the first 34 minutes of the war. These launchers were large and harder to hide than the small Katyushas, ​​which Israel subsequently shelled. Only one major Iranian Fajr-3 missile was launched in Haifa during the entire war.


This is a short video that gives an idea of ​​what the Fajras and Zelzaly looked like:


An alarm was announced in the Lebanese army units in the south of the country, but none of these official soldiers reached the trenches.


Members of the UN Interim Force (UN Interim Force in Lebanon, UNIFIL, United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon) - UN peacekeeping forces deployed in southern Lebanon (Nakura city), on the border with Israel in accordance with UN Security Council resolution No. 425, engaged exclusively in patrolling and surveillance in the Lebanese-Israeli border, grabbed binoculars. The hostilities on the Lebanese-Israeli front began unexpectedly for everyone: there was no mention of any escalation of tension, like the one that preceded, for example, the Six Day War or the Sinai Campaign.

Hezbollah made good use of the six years it provided. If before the IDF left southern Lebanon, it fought on the principle of “hit - fled”, but now its combat wing has changed tactics. Firstly, an army with good organization, communications and a smart command was created from partisan detachments, which the Israeli army was not able to reach throughout the war. Secondly, this army was well trained in the camps of Syria and Iran. Thirdly, instead of “hit-run”, the tactics of building bunkers and firing points in rocky ground for static defense was adopted. Fourth, Iran and Syria pumped Hezbollah with modern weapons. Kill the tank? No problems. Here's a set of Russian-made anti-tank missiles, from the 11-pound Baby to the 27-pound Cornet-E.

Since military pilots did not set each buried bunker separate for 50 meters into rocky ground for a possible target, they flew to bomb Lebanon in a big way - an international airport, some power plants, the Beirut quarter, where the Hezbollah headquarters was located. Seeing what everything was pouring out, representatives of Hezbollah cried out that the Lebanese government was really not involved in its attack, did not give permission to it and did not know about it. But Olmert already bit the bit:

“Israel is going through hard days. In the south and north there are some elements that want to test us for strength. Failure awaits them, our reaction will be tough, and we will make them pay a high price. ”
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Olmert then stated that he regarded the attack by Hezbollah militants on Israeli soldiers not as a terrorist attack, but as a manifestation of Lebanese state policy, as a declaration of war on Israel without any reason:

“The Lebanese government, which includes Hezbollah, is trying to upset the stability of the region. Lebanon is responsible for what happened, and Lebanon will have to pay for it. ”

He could not have said otherwise before the impending bombing of Beirut. Indeed, if the Hezbollah ministers are members of the government, then Signora’s cry for the government’s innocence is hard to understand. Let the bandits into the government - bear the responsibility.

Already on July 13, the Lebanese authorities called on Israel to a truce, repeating like a spell that they did not know about the upcoming Hezbollah action, but it was too late ...

At about 7 a.m. local time, rocket bombardment of the northern border cities of Israel began. One woman in the city of Nahariya died from a direct hit by a shell. Miraculously, numerous casualties were avoided when the rocket fell near a gas station. Eleven people were injured in a rocket attack on the city of Safed. Missiles exploded in a hostel for new immigrants. Around the same time, Hezbollah fighters fired on the Arab village of Maj al-Krum in the area of ​​Karmiel, 40 km from Haifa. Three people were injured. Israel blocked the airspace and seaports of Lebanon. A raid on Beirut International Airport damaged all three runways.






Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister, honestly believed, as the generals told her, that the bombing of Lebanon should end any minute, which means that a diplomatic victory must be sought. She met with US Middle East coordinators David Welch and Eliot Abrams. Is it possible to deploy a Lebanese army in the south of the country? Silence. Can NATO troops be sent to southern Lebanon? Silence. Then Livni prepared a document with Israeli requirements:

1. No armed bandits in southern Lebanon.
2. Let the UN troops (UNIFIL) finally go about their business.
3. Let the Lebanese state army come to the south of the country.
4. Let there be a demilitarized zone from the Israeli border to the Litani River.
5. Let Hezbollah disarm (UN resolution 1559).
6. Let the UN announce an embargo on the delivery of weapons to Lebanese bandits.
7. Let the UN Secretary General watch over all this.
8. And then we announce a ceasefire.

All day israeli aviation attacked Hezbollah bases, highways, and mobile communications towers. Black-bearded Hassan Nasrallah in a turban declared "open war" to Israel, after Israeli troops fired on his headquarters and his private home in Beirut, in the southern suburbs of Dahiya. 24 hours before the raid, the inhabitants of Dahiya were warned: we are flying to bomb, who did not hide, we are not to blame.

The government was deciding whether to bomb Dahiya or not, and most of the ministers, including Peres, spoke in favor, Livni and Avi Dichter opposed. Many criticized these raids from a purely military point of view as ineffective in the war against partisans. However, the General Staff has been headed since 2005 by 57-year-old General Dan Halutz, a military pilot who has established himself since the 1973 war. He got to this post almost by accident, when in February 2005 Sharon fired General Yaalon, who was unhappy with the plan to evacuate settlements from Gaza. Ariel Sharon, his son Omri and Halutz had friendly relations. At one time, Omri served as a reserve officer under the command of Halutz. A lieutenant general with Iranian roots, Halutz commanded the country's air force from 2000 to 2004. He was deeply impressed by the doctrine of non-contact war, shelling from a distance, the “standoff firepower”, which the Americans used in Kosovo and Iraq and achieved success. But in Yugoslavia and Iraq, the Americans fought against the states, and the decision to surrender at the mercy of the winner was made by the heads of state there and there. Halutz did not take into account this difference. He did not hide his one-sided views, but while the former military Shaul Mofaz was the Minister of Defense,


and in the prime minister’s armchair sat Arik, there was someone to keep him in check. But when the hour of severe trials really approached, neither Mofaz nor Sharon was gone, and Dan Halutz suffered.

At the beginning of the war, he believed that he would solve everything by air raids, like NATO in Yugoslavia in 1999. More specifically: he improperly developed the balance of contact and non-contact strokes. Nasrallah is not Milosevic, he was not responsible for the safety of power plants and bridges in Lebanon. Moreover, according to the logic “the worse - the better” he could point out and exclaim pathetically from every Israeli bomb: do you see what these bastards are doing ?!

He did just that, appearing on the air, despite shelling. He had something to say. Near Beirut, Israeli ships were at sea. A few minutes before his performance on the brand new Khanit rocket carrier, an Iranian missile was launched, which hit the ship, killing four sailors, but the Khanit remained afloat. (An investigation will later establish that the missile defense was simply not included!)

Nasrallah wanted to gain the glory of the great fighter, but the words of the government of Saudi Arabia sounded to him with a cold shower:

"There is a difference between justifiable resistance and adventures that the government did not know about."

Some other Arab countries also made it clear that they were not thrilled.

As a result, on July 15, aviation continued air raids in Lebanon, striking bridges, gas stations in the south and east of the country. In the center of Lebanon, the Beirut neighborhoods of Haret Horeyk and Gubeiri, the stronghold of Hezbollah, were the most affected. The buildings in which the leading military and religious-political structures of this organization were located were completely destroyed.






The cities of Tripoli, Pollock, and also Junia, Amshit and Batrun were bombed. Twice strikes were made against Baalbek, the second most important Hezbollah center in the eastern part of the Bekaa Valley. Not a single bridge remained over the Litani River, separating the south of Lebanon from the rest of the country. All strategic highways of Lebanon were damaged. The number of refugees from the south of the country and from the southern suburbs of Beirut was in the thousands.

In response, Hezbollah fired rockets at the cities of Haifa, Safed, Karmiel, Nahariya, Pkiin, Hazor ha-Glilit and Tsureili, as well as moshav Miron and kibbutzim in the Galilee. They shot Katyusha rockets. The thrifty Nasrallah accumulated 13 of these missiles. They weighed from 7 to 21 kg, flew 7, 20 or 40 km and were easy to handle. You could hide them almost anywhere. Very often they were in civilian buildings and residential buildings and were practically invulnerable to pilots.


Ground combat has so far remained minimal. However, Hezbollah stated that seven fighters of the Israeli army were killed during the hostilities and as a result of rocket attacks from Lebanon. Eight more Israeli soldiers were injured ... All this was little like a good start to the rescue of two captured soldiers.

Indeed, ground forces raids on Lebanon began quite early, long before the entire army crossed the border. Fighters from the Shalag, Egoz, and Yamam special forces went several kilometers inland into Lebanese territory, made small sweeps, and probed the enemy’s defenses.

And here are stories about how the Israelis are right in hot pursuit on tank rushed to save captured soldiers, and the tank was hit (option - it was blown up by a mine) turned out to be tales. To carry out the attack, the militants had to climb, and then go back along a very steep slope, you can’t go behind them on tanks.

Seeing how the flywheel of hostilities spins up, questions flew from everywhere to the Israeli government: “What do you really want?” Putting aside the broad thoughts of Livni, Olmert had to voice briefly:

1) the release of two abducted soldiers;
2) the cessation of rocket attacks on Israel;
3) the implementation of UN Security Council resolution 1559 on the disarmament of irregular armed groups in Lebanon and the control of the Lebanese government over all Lebanese territory.

If the first two demands could be considered real, the third was not feasible in the near future, since the central Lebanese government was weak. And here the question arose of setting the goals and objectives of the war.

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In the 1920s and 1930s, Italy tried to turn Libya into an obedient colony and actively fought with the national partisan movement. Years of hunting for partisans did not lead to anything until the new Italian commander, General Graziani, pulled the barbed wire along the entire length of the Egyptian-Libyan border to stop the supply of weapons to the partisans, and drove all the sympathetic population to concentration camps. After that, he gradually squeezed the partisans, who had no support, into the mountains, where he destroyed them. This is a rare example of a successful struggle against the partisan movement, but the Israelis could not use this experience, since Israel could not act in Lebanon, as the Italians of the time of Mussolini behaved in Libya. There were more than enough examples of the unsuccessful struggle against partisans: France and then the United States in Vietnam, Portugal in Angola, the USSR in Afghanistan, Turkey and Iraq in Kurdistan, etc.

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This means that Hezbollah will not be completely destroyed. Then what should be the goals and objectives of the war?

Circumstances demanded to drive Hezbollah away from the border and block the arms delivery channels to it. This, however, meant the IDF returned to southern Lebanon on an ongoing basis, as it was before 2000, and control of the Lebanese-Syrian border and sea routes to Lebanon. Again unrealistic. The real goal could only be the intimidation of Hezbollah, and not its destruction, which could be achieved by a short, a few days, operation. And immediately after that, a certain political process was to begin in order to translate military successes into political benefits as quickly as possible. Olmert, however, set such ambitious and impossible goals for the war that complete victory became unattainable in principle.

On July 16, the ubiquitous EU foreign policy coordinator, Javier Solana, flocked to Lebanon to negotiate with the Lebanese Prime Minister.


The representative of the UN Secretary General was already here. They did absolutely nothing, but they could not come and light up - they had to make an important appearance. The UN Secretary General Kofi Annan himself was in St. Petersburg and suggested that peacekeeping forces be brought into Lebanon ... when it is all over.


Hizbullah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah, in his first televised address since the outbreak of the war, sprayed saliva:

"If the enemy does not stop at anything, we will not stop at anything either."

The battle against Israel, he said, is "just beginning."

On the other hand, on the same day, the generals reported to Olmert that they had already bombed everything they needed and could bomb, the goals had been achieved and it was time to get out of the war ...

On this day, Hezbollah fighters literally bombarded Haifa with rockets. Killed eight Israelis. Hezbollah fired from Grad multiple rocket launchers from various areas of northern Israel. The Israelis notified the inhabitants of southern Lebanon on the subject of leaving their homes, warning of massive strikes. Refugees reached north, but many did not leave — Hezbollah fighters did not allow it.

At the same time, the Israeli Air Force finally destroyed the Jie power station, which supplied electricity to southern Lebanon. In the evening, Israeli aircraft again bombed Beirut International Airport.

The next day, Hezbollah fighters again launched a missile strike against Haifa, Acre, Safed and Karmiel. According to Haifa, at least five rockets were fired. Missile strikes were also reported in the southern Golan. As a result of the collapse of a three-story house in Haifa, five people were injured. The house collapsed as a result of a rocket falling into it. The people were densely seated in bomb shelters, and many reached south, to relatives and friends.

I witnessed these events and to some extent a participant. At that time I lived in a small town between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Several families of our friends with children and elderly parents came to us from Haifa and its environs. Placed them all, the good was the place.

For some reason, Israeli aircraft flew to strike in the northern regions of Lebanon. Seven Lebanese soldiers died as a result of an air raid in the port of Abdeh near Tripoli. The normal life in small Lebanon as a result of airstrikes was actually paralyzed. All major highways were destroyed, various parts of the country were cut off from each other. Beirut could face famine, as there were problems with the delivery of food to the city from the Bekaa Valley.

Weapons from Iran rushed in bulk from Syria to northern Lebanon. By planes he was transferred to Damascus, and from there - by trucks to the Lebanese border. Hassan Nasrallah and his associates left Beirut bombed on July 15 and took refuge in underground bunkers near the city of Al-Khirmil in northeastern Lebanon.

After a few days of fighting, Olmert still believed that victory was not far off, and again hit broad politics. June 18, he said that Iran was involved in the aggravation of the Middle East conflict, which was necessary for Tehran in order to divert the attention of the world community from the problems associated with its nuclear program. Few doubted this, since the connection between Nasrallah and Iran was sewn with white thread. Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has already talked loudly about her readiness for a political solution to the crisis. Apparently, she still believed that the war would end soon. After meeting with representatives of the delegation of the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, she voiced her idea that, in certain circumstances, “Israel will support the introduction of peacekeepers to southern Lebanon.”

At the same time, Lebanese President Emil Lahoud, an ally of Syria and Hezbollah, blurted out that his government would not take any action against the Hezbollah leader, who “helped liberate Lebanon.”


With this, he put his prime minister Fuad Signora in an uncomfortable position, since the latter more emphasized the inability to control Nasrallah.


It turned out that Lebanon from an innocent victim really, as Olmert said, turned into an accomplice of terror, and he could be beaten, as Afghanistan was beaten for harboring Osama bin Laden.

Meanwhile, militants continued rocket fire on Israeli cities in Western Galilee. As a result of a direct hit of a rocket in a residential building in Nahariya, one person died. The Israelis also continued to bomb. On the night of July 18, an Israeli missile hit the barracks of the Lebanese army in the vicinity of Beirut. Killed 12 soldiers. In total, over 200 Lebanese citizens died during the week of bombing.

Over a thousand Israeli reservists (three battalions) were drafted into the army to replace the regular units stationed in the center of the country, the latter sent to the border with Lebanon.

Foreigners rushed from Lebanon to their homes. They had a problem. The airport has not been working since July 12, about 17 thousand fled to Syria through the Al-Masna checkpoint, many on foot, as the Beirut-Damascus highway was also destroyed. During the day, France and Italy evacuated 1600 Europeans by sea to Cyprus. Russia also took its citizens by sea. British warships took aboard 12 thousand British and another 10 thousand people with dual British and Lebanese citizenship. Drama was played out on the pier: the wife has a British passport, the husband does not, what to do? The English newspapers were full of such heartbreaking stories, and the general tone of the press was clearly pro-Liban. Television showed almost exclusively the ruins of Lebanese cities. The BBC, for example, could give a five-minute report on the Lebanese suffering, only mentioning in passing that it all began "because of the abduction of two Israeli soldiers." The American CNN tried to show a more balanced picture of the war.

The next day, July 19, about 70 rockets were fired from Lebanese territory in just one hour - again in the cities of Haifa, Karmiel, Tiberias, Safed, Kiryat Shmona, Nazareth, Afula and Nahariya. In the morning, rockets burst in Western Galilee, the Hula Valley and Haifa, in the afternoon another massive missile strike fell on Haifa, Tiberias and Karmiel. Further, shelling continued every day and night with enviable regularity, and these cities practically did not disappear from the news bulletins. In the evening, terrorists attacked Arab Nazareth, which is located about 60 km from the border with Lebanon. One of the missiles hit the apartment exactly, as a result of which three people were killed, including two children.

Now, after a week of fighting and shelling, the Israelis, dumbfounded by such a powerful and previously unexperienced pressure on the rear of the country, have a concrete question: where is our civil defense and rear service? There were no complaints to the medical service. Ambulances, hospitals, operating table, breathe deeper - it all worked like a clock. And the rear service?

The preparation of the State of Israel for a state of emergency includes two levels of protection - active and passive. Active defense of the country is provided by the Air Force, missile defense systems "Hets" and "Patriot" and the general power of the Israeli army. The passive protection for which the rear command is responsible includes an alarm notification system, rescue services, protective kits for citizens, a medical care system and protective rooms (an accessible bomb shelter or a sealed room).

Air raid sirens - yes, bomb shelters for the first time since the second war in Iraq washed and cleaned - yes. What about organized evacuation? And the supply of water and food to those sitting in the basement? And information, control, psychological help? Those who had cars - they left for the center of the country themselves. Whose relatives or friends live in Tel Aviv, they left by bus themselves. And the rest?

The question "who will deal with us?" hung in the air. This does not mean that the government “forgot” about the citizens of the north. But even when the government meets at the right time, on the right occasion and makes the right decision, there must be someone next who will begin to implement this decision. The government showed concern for the inhabitants of the north of the country, but did not indicate exactly who would practically implement this concern. There were three options for the executor: the Ministry of the Interior (in Israel, this department deals with city halls, local councils, issuing passports, visas, censuses and counts according to the type of registry office known to everyone), the Ministry of Internal Security (in charge of the police), and the Ministry of Defense. The Ministry of the Interior could deal with residents of frontline cities through its control of local councils. It was also logical for the Ministry of Internal Security to deal with such a violation of security as flying missiles out the window, all the more so since the country's police subordinate to the Ministry were organized and mobile. The Ministry of Defense simply commanded the “rear front”, and its involvement in the fate of those suffering from the bombing was also logical.

But the government did not appoint a specific executor and responsible. In this state of affairs, Olmert himself became responsible. But the Prime Minister’s office is not an executive body, as a result of every, generally reasonable decision, there was a long debate: who exactly will implement it? So procrastination was born, which every day more and more nervous the inhabitants of the north of the country, to put it mildly.

A few days after the outbreak of hostilities, the newspaper “Yediot Aharonot” (“Latest News”) ordered a public opinion poll and published this opinion on July 18. It turned out that the vast majority of Israelis fully support the actions of the army in Lebanon, and also express satisfaction with the work of the country's political leaders. 86% of citizens considered the actions of the Israeli military in Lebanon justified. 56% expressed the view that the operation should continue until Sheikh Nasrallah was destroyed.

Olmert squared his shoulders and decided to continue the war. Since the start of the war, some generals have advised Olmert to declare a call for reservists. But Olmert was pulling with this, because Dan and Halutz promised him to break the spirit of Hezbollah only with air strikes. That did not happen. Nothing to do, I had to prepare the ground army ...

To be continued ...

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Klyuchnikov V., colonel, candidate of military sciences; Yanov O., Colonel. An Analysis of Some Military Aspects of the Lebanese-Israeli Conflict, 2006.
Malyshkin K.A. Conducting information warfare operations by participants in the Lebanese-Israeli armed conflict (July – August 2006).
Israel and Lebanon: Problematic Proximity. J. Spyer, 2015.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 06: 02 New
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    Whatever the policy of Israel, even the title of the article makes it clear that there is little that can be done without infantry, in the broad sense, with a close and resolute adversary.
    1. Mitroha 16 May 2020 06: 18 New
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      In the morning, reading an article, he looked out the window twice expecting to see the expanse of the Dead Sea. Yes nooo, Russia, at home, it seemed laughing Just for a minute of Israeli political information. hi
      "-And God save you, do not read the Soviet newspapers before dinner. .." © Dog’s heart. M. Bulgakov

      And the article is good, voluminous .. Qualitatively introduces the reader to the point of view of Israel.
      1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 06: 25 New
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        I miss the Soviet newspapers a bit, though Shpakovsky sometimes throws up. laughing
      2. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 08: 07 New
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        Quote: Mitroha
        And the article is good, voluminous .. Qualitatively introduces the reader to the point of view of Israel.

        It is interesting to know the louse point of view when looking from far away, but in general there is no need for hezbahl, the ksir are friends.
        1. Mitroha 16 May 2020 08: 13 New
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          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Quote: Mitroha
          And the article is good, voluminous .. Qualitatively introduces the reader to the point of view of Israel.

          It is interesting to know the louse point of view when looking from far away, but in general there is no need for hezbahl, the ksir are friends.

          Sudden changes in mood and desire vectors are an occasion to visit a psychiatrist. Protect your health
          1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 08: 25 New
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            Quote: Mitroha
            Sudden changes in mood and desire vectors are an occasion to visit a psychiatrist. Protect your health

            Are you not a robot?
            It is constantly repeated regardless of the topic and comment.
            1. Mitroha 16 May 2020 14: 58 New
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              Milman, you yourself asked, immediately abandoned the question, but made conclusions for me and answered. And then they called the robot. I’m looking at you, no one is needed at all. So go to dohtur.
              1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 19: 39 New
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                Quote: Mitroha
                Milman, you yourself asked, immediately abandoned the question,

                I am the master of my word, I gave it and took it and took it away, understanding your answer.
        2. Plantagenet 16 May 2020 08: 47 New
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          "but in general you don’t need hezbahl, ksir are friends."

          “Colonel Perfiliev met with Hezbollah’s spiritual leader Sheikh Seyid Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, who was approved by Iran. Perfiliev said that he actually threatened the sheikh:
          “A great power cannot wait forever for the release of hostages.” The consequences can be unpredictable not only for the groups in Lebanon, but also for those who stand behind them. There can always be a mistake when launching a rocket, but Tehran and Qom are not so far away.
          The threat worked. The hostages were released.

          Abductions have long been the standard method of struggle in Lebanon, only the Americans usually become their victims, and this was called the struggle against imperialism ... The abduction of Soviet people and the murder of one of them was an alarming signal for Moscow. Soviet people have lost their immunity from terrorist acts. ”"

          "Leonid Mlechin" Empire of Terror "
    2. Uncle Izya 16 May 2020 09: 11 New
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      By the way, Netanyahu served in the special forces and when the plane was liberated from the terrorists in Lod. One of the terrorists went to the toilet and closed it was liquidated by shooting through the door, Bibon told Putin about this story, and he says it means we will kill the terrorists in the toilet
      1. Boris Arbel (Latuha) 19 May 2020 22: 21 New
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        by the way in this operation Bibi got a bullet in the ass
        1. Uncle Izya 22 May 2020 12: 02 New
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          Have you personally been there?
          Bullets in the hand
  2. nikvic46 16 May 2020 06: 08 New
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    A good article. And I will re-read it. Besides the reasons that the author has pointed out, there is another good reason why Israel moved to Lebanon. For some time, Lebanon has become a refuge for migrants. And among tourists it was considered the “Pearl of the East.” I think that this also played a role in the desire to attack Lebanon.
    1. Vladimir_2U 16 May 2020 06: 21 New
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      Quote: nikvic46
      And already among tourists, he was considered the “Pearl of the East." I think that this also played a role in the desire to attack Lebanon.
      Do you also think shekels of guilt? Not excluded.
      1. Cyril G ... 16 May 2020 07: 46 New
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        Shekels are always to blame. Well, almost always. Sometimes the truth is because of women.
        "Senya, if you don’t understand why they killed him, it means because of money" (Ts.) Old Opera.
    2. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 08: 14 New
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      Quote: nikvic46
      And among tourists, he was considered the "Pearl of the East."

      You have a good memory but selective
      It all ended with the outbreak of civil war between Muslims and Christians, which lasted from 1975 to 1990. The situation was complicated by the intervention of Syria and Hizbullah, and instead of an earthly paradise, devastation and scorched earth remained. 14 years since this war went, you can compare modern Israel and Lebanon.
      1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 09: 18 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        The situation was complicated by the intervention of Syria and Hizbullah, and instead of an earthly paradise, devastation and scorched earth remained.

        And why lie? Hezbollah is the “product” of the Israeli invasion
        Syrians and Palestinians intervened in the conflict, preventing Muslims from being cut out.
        Hezbollah appeared later
        1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 09: 48 New
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          Quote: Spade
          And why lie?

          It all ended with the outbreak of civil war between Muslims and Christians, which lasted from 1975 to 1990 year
          The Hezbollah Movement was created in 1982 in Lebanon with the assistance of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps
          The area adjacent to the northern border of Israel was fully controlled by the PLO. Speaking at a meeting of the UN General Assembly on October 14, 1976, the Ambassador of Lebanon said that “PLO destroys his country” and “usurped power belonging to the Lebanese government”. By the beginning of Operation Peace of Galilee, the PLO with Soviet help was able to accumulate a significant amount of weapons, including long-range artillery, rocket launchers, and anti-aircraft guns.
          Hizbalah Replaces Exiled PLO from Lebanon
          But horseradish radish is not sweeter.
          1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 10: 06 New
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            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            But horseradish radish is not sweeter.

            The blacksmiths of their own happiness ....
            There was nothing to organize a massacre in Sabra and Chatil.
            1. Arpad 16 May 2020 12: 00 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              But horseradish radish is not sweeter.

              The blacksmiths of their own happiness ....
              There was nothing to organize a massacre in Sabra and Chatil.

              again you Lopatov are lying, who cut and whom in Sabra and Chatil, and why?
              1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 12: 31 New
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                Quote: Arpad
                again you Lopatov are lying, who cut and whom in Sabra and Chatil, and why?

                Are you having trouble reading again?
                Although it is more likely to "spoil the air and the loudest outrage"
                After all, it’s you lying, accusing me of “lying”.
            2. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 12: 04 New
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              Quote: Spade
              There was nothing to organize a massacre in Sabra and Chatil.

              A common, but alas, erroneous opinion.
              The Sabra and Shatila massacre was organized and carried out by units of Lebanese right-wing Christian phalangists under the command of Ili Hobeika, in revenge for the assassination of Lebanese President Christian Bashir Gemayel.

              In the wake of these events, a special commission was created:
              The Commission considered that Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon was negligent, not taking into account the possibility of revenge on the part of Christian phalangists and giving their armed groups the opportunity to freely and uncontrolledly move around the territory. The commission recommended that Sharon "draw personal conclusions."
              The commission also found unsatisfactory the actions of the chief of the General Staff Rafael Eitan, the chief of military intelligence Yehoshua Sagi (dismissed from his post) and the director of the Mossad Nakhum Admoni. The guilt of the latter was deemed insignificant.
              In addition, the commission made claims against Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who did not pay attention to the information transmitted to him by Minister Mordechai Tzipori immediately after the massacre in Sabra and Chatil.

              After the commission’s report, the cabinet voted in favor of Sharon’s resignation as defense minister.

              The commission’s report was rated in the US and Western Europe as a significant example of self-criticism in a democracy.

              The French Minister of the Interior noted:

              “This report honors Israel and gives the world a new lesson in democracy.”

              "La Stampa":
              “It’s hard to find another nation in a state of war that would allow itself to be the subject of such open self-criticism.”
              1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 12: 28 New
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                Quote: A. Privalov
                The Sabra and Shatila massacre was organized and carried out by units of Lebanese right-wing Christian phalangists under the command of Ili Hobeika, in revenge for the assassination of Lebanese President Christian Bashir Gemayel.

                I didn’t write that they “cut”, I wrote “organized the massacre”

                It is in the organization that Israel’s "merit" is indisputable.
                1. Arpad 17 May 2020 10: 45 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  I didn’t write that they “cut”, I wrote “organized the massacre”

                  Will you bring the relevant documents - or, as always, the grandmother from a nearby shop told you a terrible secret?
            3. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 13: 07 New
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              Quote: Spade
              There was nothing to organize a massacre in Sabra and Chatil.

              The massacre occurred after the president of Lebanon was killed on September 14, 1982 - Christian Bashir Gemayel and another 26 people killed by their members Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
              In September 1982 Christian fighters in retaliation from the "Lebanese phalanges", led by pro-Syrian agents, several hundred Palestinians, Pakistanis, Algerians were cut out in two Muslim districts of the Lebanese capital Beirut - Sabre and Chatile.
              Israeli troops were in the area, but they did not intervene in their dismantling. The Russian military today in Syria, too, do not climb into different showdowns because they have other tasks. But to blame the Jews is not important what (in the tap and in the water), many consider for themselves the goal of their life.
              1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 28 New
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                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Quote: Spade
                There was nothing to organize a massacre in Sabra and Chatil.

                The massacre occurred after the president of Lebanon was killed on September 14, 1982 - Christian Bashir Gemayel and another 26 people killed by their members Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
                In September 1982 Christian fighters in retaliation from the "Lebanese phalanges", led by pro-Syrian agents, several hundred Palestinians, Pakistanis, Algerians were cut out in two Muslim districts of the Lebanese capital Beirut - Sabre and Chatile.
                Israeli troops were in the area, but they did not intervene in their dismantling. The Russian military today in Syria, too, do not climb into different showdowns because they have other tasks. But to blame the Jews is not important what (in the tap and in the water), many consider for themselves the goal of their life.

                The PLO was accused - they were killed by the pro-Syrian Nazis from the Lebanese SSNP
            4. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 26 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              But horseradish radish is not sweeter.

              The blacksmiths of their own happiness ....
              There was nothing to organize a massacre in Sabra and Chatil.

              There was nothing to decide Christians in Damur
        2. Uncle Izya 16 May 2020 11: 36 New
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          And here I am sorry the indigenous population of Lebanon, Christians are considered in the minority
        3. Arpad 16 May 2020 11: 59 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Syrians and Palestinians intervened in the conflict, preventing Muslims from being cut out.

          with the Palestinians and the conflict began.
          Before the Palestinians arrived in Lebanon, everything was calm in Lebanon.
          Now there is a question of what conflict the Palestinians (in your opinion) intervened between between whom and whom.
          1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 12: 30 New
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            Before the Palestinians arrived in Lebanon, everything was calm in Lebanon.

            Very, very controversial.
            The absence of visible conflicts between Christians and Muslims is possible only with a strong state. But in Lebanon he was not.
            1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 19: 50 New
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              The absence of visible conflicts between Christians and Muslims is possible only with a strong state. But in Lebanon he was not.

              And now you are right.
            2. Arpad 17 May 2020 10: 40 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Very very controversial

              Lopatov, as any fact can be said, is very, very controversial.
              Here you are positioning yourself as a former military, I would say - very, very controversial.
              Quote: Spade
              The absence of visible conflicts between Christians and Muslims is possible only with a strong state

              Your new theory, well - well.
              Do we just have to take your word for it, or refer to someone more authoritative?
              Quote: Spade
              But in Lebanon he was not

              There is only one question - was there a civil war before the Palestinians arrived or not?
              Answer, and then we can talk.
        4. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 25 New
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          lol
          The conflict began because of the Syrians, who, after the fiasco with the seizure of power in Jordan, fled to Damascus. It’s just that their armed groups decided to transfer to Lebanon, along with their families, because in their territory the Syrians did not want to endure them. In Lebanon, the Arafatovs were left without dough, so they began to set up impromptu roadblocks on the roads, knocking down local money for the Palestinian revolution. After the gopstop ended with several corpses of Christians, the Lebanese began to stop cars heading towards the Palestinian refugee camps, pulled people out and found a Palestinian, shot them on the spot. In response, the Arafatites massacred the Christian town of Damur. And away we go.
          1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 20: 08 New
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            The conflict began because of the Syrianswho, after the fiasco with the seizure of power in Jordan, fled to Damascus

            laughing
            They completely lied ....
            1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 20: 14 New
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              That's right - I’m lying. Conflict because of the SyriansThat allowed the Palestinians fled after the fiasco with the seizure of power in Jordan ... etc.
      2. nikvic46 16 May 2020 15: 20 New
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        I refer to the situation of Lebanon until 1967.
    3. Peter is not the first 16 May 2020 09: 17 New
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      And among tourists, he was considered the "Pearl of the East."

      I don’t know, I don’t know, but if you make a choice where to go and see antiquities with your family, in Egypt, Israel or Lebanon, the choice will be unequivocal: Israel is both the safest and fewest problems with the language.
      And as for the article: We definitely need to know the opinion of both sides of the conflict, and this article made it possible to highlight the point of view of Israel, it remains only to wait (which of course will not) be an article on the perception of this war in Lebanon.
      1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 10: 08 New
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        Quote: Peter is not the first
        We definitely need to know the opinion of both sides of the conflict, and this article made it possible to highlight the point of view of Israel, it remains only to wait (which of course will not) be an article on the perception of this war in Lebanon.

        You are right all that is not historically reviewed, but political and propaganda.
    4. really 16 May 2020 10: 36 New
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      What kind of migrants are you talking about? Please explain.
  3. Bykov. 16 May 2020 06: 47 New
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    Everything was in order with politics, but according to the logic of things, after the Israelis left Lebanon there’s nothing more to fight for and you can disarm. But such logic in the East does not work. Since Iran pays money for the armed struggle with Israel, then we must continue to fight. And for what now? And Nasrallah put forward two new reasons. Firstly, we must continue to help the Palestinian brothers, and secondly, the Israelis did not completely leave Lebanese territory.

    Wow, how bad these Iranians are and what pretty Jews. I got it right?
    1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 08: 18 New
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      Quote: Bulls.
      Wow, how bad these Iranians are and what pretty Jews. I got it right?

      No, all are good, but let them graze in their pasture, there’s nothing to look at the green grass of a neighbor all the time thinking how to graze there.
      1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 09: 21 New
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        No, all are good, but let them graze in their pasture, there’s nothing to look at the green grass of a neighbor all the time thinking how to graze there.

        Why can't they do what Israel does?
        For example, in the Golan, they not only “looked and thought how to graze”, but simply selected the pasture.
        1. Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 09: 58 New
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          Why can't they do what Israel does?

          Defend your country? YOU ARE WELCOME!
          And why Egypt and Jordan no longer want to do this anymore?
          And the rest remember well how it ended, but they always try to bite. Only there is no that trainer who trained them on.
          1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 10: 04 New
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            Defend your country? YOU ARE WELCOME!

            Yeah ..
            That is, to select a pasture from a neighbor is a "defense of the country"?
            As well as creeping expansion into the already limited territory of the Palestinians ...

            And, I realized, a country cannot live without robbery, and therefore robbing neighbors is "protecting the country"
            Thank you for clarifying this point.
            1. ender 16 May 2020 11: 15 New
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              not so many countries, managed in the 21st century to profit from the territory of its neighbors. but they will be rewarded ..
              1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 11: 39 New
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                Quote: ender
                not so many countries, managed in the 21st century to profit from the territory of its neighbors. but they will be rewarded ..

                Here, from now on, in more detail, please.
                1. ender 16 May 2020 12: 11 New
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                  Country area in sq. km date information
                  Russia 17 098 242 January 1, 2014

                  Russia 17 125 191 January 1, 2017
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                    Quote: ender
                    Russia 17 125 191 January 1, 2017

                    But can you condemn the inhabitants of Crimea for unwillingness to live in a state hostile to them?
              2. Lopatov 16 May 2020 12: 37 New
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                Quote: ender
                not so many countries, managed in the 21st century to profit from the territory of its neighbors. but they will be rewarded ..

                Already paid off. The territory and the population loyal to Russia.
                To live with wolves, howl like a wolf.
                1. ender 16 May 2020 12: 58 New
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                  howl like a wolf.


                  Well - you can, when you want))
                  and the second question directly follows from this - is it worth paying attention to someone else's howl?
                  1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 12: 59 New
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                    Quote: ender
                    Well - you can, when you want))
                    and the second question directly follows from this - is it worth paying attention to someone else's howl?

                    We are studying. We are becoming more democratic. Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea ....
                    The teachers are good.
                    1. ender 16 May 2020 13: 06 New
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                      I was always touched by your persistent desire to imitate those whom you hate))
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                        Quote: ender
                        I was always touched by your persistent desire to imitate those whom you hate))

                        Do not "imitate," learn. Mimic.
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                        in the "first students" mark? but didn’t you try to learn good?
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                        Quote: ender
                        but didn’t you try to learn good?

                        Is there something good there?
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                        familiar picture? )))
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                        Quote: ender
                        familiar picture? )))

                        I like it more
                        And for their teachers
                        The cup goes well ...
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                        somewhere else in the 7th grade pass that the meaning of this phrase is to recognize respect for worthy opponents.
                        and Peter himself, learned to build ships in Holland, not to trade slaves in the colonies. feel the difference..
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                        Quote: ender
                        somewhere else in the 7th grade pass that the meaning of this phrase is to recognize respect for worthy opponents.

                        It is not right.
                        It's about enemies. From whom you need to learn to excel.
                        Which was done.
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                        Quote: ender
                        and Peter himself, learned to build ships in Holland, not to trade slaves in the colonies. feel the difference..

                        Well, as if before Peter we did not sell serfs ...
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                        you serfdom te te slavery was recently abolished in 1861
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                        In Europe, it was canceled only 13 years before that, so what?
                        This is not to mention that we introduced it much later.
                        Moreover, slavery before Peter, serfdom was not.
  • Aaron Zawi 16 May 2020 11: 53 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Defend your country? YOU ARE WELCOME!

    Yeah ..
    That is, to select a pasture from a neighbor is a "defense of the country"?
    As well as creeping expansion into the already limited territory of the Palestinians ...

    And, I realized, a country cannot live without robbery, and therefore robbing neighbors is "protecting the country"
    Thank you for clarifying this point.

    Pot calls the kettle black...
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Pot calls the kettle black...

      laughing
      That's it!
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        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Pot calls the kettle black...

        laughing
        That's it!

        And yours would be silent.
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          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          And yours would be silent.

          Indicate this to your colleagues. Specifically, "Vitaly Gusin"
          He raised this topic, not me ...
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            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            And yours would be silent.

            Indicate this to your colleagues. Specifically, "Vitaly Gusin"
            He raised this topic, not me ...

            No, about the increase in the territory of the state due to the war, you raised the topic.
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              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              No, about the increase in the territory of the state due to the war, you raised the topic.

              Just do not lie ...
              This is not what I wrote:
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              No, all are good, but let them graze in their pasture, there’s nothing to look at the green grass of a neighbor all the time thinking how to graze there.
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            Quote: Spade
            Specifically, "Vitaly Gusin"
            He raised this topic, not me ...

            Yes, I wrote an answer to
            Quote: nikvic46
            And among tourists, he was considered the "Pearl of the East."

            You have a good memory but selective
            It all ended with the outbreak of civil war between Muslims and Christians, which lasted from 1975 to 1990. The situation was complicated by the intervention of Syria and Hizbullah, and instead of an earthly paradise, devastation and scorched earth remained. 14 years since this war went, you can compare modern Israel and Lebanon.

            And you pulled out everything that you have left of the political information in the USSR ..
  • Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 31 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Defend your country? YOU ARE WELCOME!

    Yeah ..
    That is, to select a pasture from a neighbor is a "defense of the country"?
    As well as creeping expansion into the already limited territory of the Palestinians ...

    And, I realized, a country cannot live without robbery, and therefore robbing neighbors is "protecting the country"
    Thank you for clarifying this point.

    The Golan heights in FIG would have fallen - just from 1948 to 1967 they were fired at by Israeli civilians. And what would be happening there now - you can imagine, so they did the right thing that took away.
  • Vitaly gusin 16 May 2020 20: 20 New
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    Quote: Spade
    That is, to select a pasture from a neighbor is a "defense of the country"?

    On this "pasture" artillery crews grazed and fired the entire territory up to Keneret, and then they decided to block the rivers. But even this seemed to them not enough, they decided to "get caught" throughout the territory of Israel. But their horns were broken off and taken away by “pasture”. There are no more people who want it. And if they appear, we also do circumcision.
  • igor67 16 May 2020 20: 57 New
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    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Quote: Spade
    Why can't they do what Israel does?

    Defend your country? YOU ARE WELCOME!
    And why Egypt and Jordan no longer want to do this anymore?
    And the rest remember well how it ended, but they always try to bite. Only there is no that trainer who trained them on.

    At the expense of Jordan, I would not be so sure Abdala is already practically threatening
    1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 21: 49 New
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      Quote: igor67
      At the expense of Jordan, I would not be so sure Abdala is already practically threatening

      He can. He is the king. lol
  • A. Privalov 16 May 2020 11: 38 New
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    Quote: Spade
    For example, in the Golan, they not only “looked and thought how to graze”, but simply selected the pasture.

    This does not apply to the topic of the article, I already spoke about this a hundred times, but for you, if you are not already in the know, I will repeat it again.
    Since the creation of the state of Israel, Syria has sought to destroy it - it attacked right on the day of Independence in May 1948. Since then, Israel has been at war with it. The Golan Heights is a territory of special strategic importance. With them, ordinary artillery shoots 2/3 of Israel. Hence the syrians daily fired at our cities and towns for almost 20 years. Snipers got closer and killed farmers right in these fields.

    The Syrians in the Golan kept a well-layered network of bunkers with artillery, machine guns and dug tanks on the crests of high-rises and hills.
    20 years is a long time. The longsuffering of Israel has come to an end. As a result of hostilities in 1967, the Syrians were driven out of their fortifications in the Golan. For this, the Israelis had to climb up the steep slopes with battles, through vast minefields.

    In 1973, Syria tried by military means to regain these lands, but received a very sharp rebuff.
    The sovereignty of Israel extended to the territory of the Golan Heights 40 years ago. As the saying goes, "What is taken in battle is holy."
    The last time, the UN whined about it in 2008 and calmed down quietly.
    The opinion of everyone else, Israel is not interested.
    I can only imagine what would be done in our country if all of these “basmachi” were in charge of the Golan today. About any return of their Syria, there is not even a word. hi
    1. demiurg 16 May 2020 12: 25 New
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      The sovereignty of Israel extended to the territory of the Golan Heights 40 years ago. As the saying goes, "What is taken in battle is holy.

      But for twenty twenty years, only the Syrians shot at the Jews? Straight 2/3 of Israel for twenty years were subjected to shelling?
      Tell me honestly that you needed water from the Golan. And there was an opportunity to overcome it. And then you tell tales about hydroponics and the suffering of the Jews.
      The whole tangle of contradictions in the BV wrapped up at the moment when people professing Judaism in Europe decided to organize their own state on the former Turkish territory.
      Following this logic, the Hungarians have the right to expel the Mongols from Mongolia. After all, their ancestors lived there.
      And the Germans, by the way, following your logic, genocide you absolutely logically. They are the same arias.
      1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 13: 01 New
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        Quote: demiurg
        The sovereignty of Israel extended to the territory of the Golan Heights 40 years ago. As the saying goes, "What is taken in battle is holy.

        But for twenty twenty years, only the Syrians shot at the Jews? Straight 2/3 of Israel for twenty years were subjected to shelling?
        Tell me honestly that you needed water from the Golan. And there was an opportunity to overcome it. And then you tell tales about hydroponics and the suffering of the Jews.
        The whole tangle of contradictions in the BV wrapped up at the moment when people professing Judaism in Europe decided to organize their own state on the former Turkish territory.
        Following this logic, the Hungarians have the right to expel the Mongols from Mongolia. After all, their ancestors lived there.
        And the Germans, by the way, following your logic, genocide you absolutely logically. They are the same arias.


        It is time to already know that from the Golan Heights the rivers do not flow into Syria. Only to Israel. So Nature decreed. See the map and you will be happy.
        Israel has long had no problems with water. He is in first place in the world in desalination technology. There is so much water today that the quota for the use of water from the Jordan River (the river once completely dried up) was canceled for Jordan, and today water is taken as needed. Surpluses descend into the Sea of ​​Galilee (Lake of Tiberias, Sea of ​​Galilee or Lake Gennisaret, as you wish). It has already reached the top level. So, you are late. Hydroponics is a good thing, but in 90% of cases Israel does not use it, but drip irrigation. He supplies this technology to almost 70 countries of the world.
        Your arguments about logic, Hungarians and Mongols are not interesting to me. As for the genocide fraud, God be with you judge. hi
        1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 13: 11 New
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          It is time to already know that from the Golan Heights the rivers do not flow into Syria.

          Could flow. And this is precisely what Israel was afraid of.
          Initially, he provoked the Syrians, then he shot reclamation equipment, then completely occupied the territories

          Israel simply considered this water its own. Well, the fact that she is on Syrian territory is a temporary misunderstanding.
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            Quote: Spade
            Could flow. And this is precisely what Israel was afraid of.
            Initially, he provoked the Syrians, then he shot reclamation equipment, then completely occupied the territories

            Indeed, somewhere in the very beginning of the 60s, the Syrians made an attempt to realize the great dream of the Soviet land reclamators - to turn the Siberian rivers back. However, she did this not in Siberia, but tried to divert and pump out the sources of the Jordan River and its three small tributaries - Al-Hasbani, Baniasi (Banias) and Liddani.
            Now, take a look at more Jordan River.

            Well, and when she became like this,


            and there is also Jordan, which is also lousy without the waters of the Jordan, what was left for Israel?
            At the same moment, this topic was resolutely closed and Syria never returned to it.
            1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 16: 36 New
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              Quote: A. Privalov
              Indeed, somewhere in the very beginning of the 60s, the Syrians made an attempt to realize the great dream of the Soviet land reclamators - to turn the Siberian rivers back.

              Well, yes.
              However, Israel did not allow Syria to use its water. For he considered the water on the site of the neighbor as his property. And therefore actively fired land reclamation artillery.
              1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 45 New
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                So in the early 60s, the Tverdian lake was the main source of water for the Israelis, the Euphrates was among the Syrians)), therefore, the turn of the sources of the Jordan harmed the Jews, because Syria in 1948, under the leadership of its National Socialist Party, attacked Israel and is at war with it to this day - who is it, dohtur? laughing Ophthalmologist? )))
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  therefore the turn of the origins of the Jordan harmed the Jews

                  Here I am about that. Somebody think money in someone else's pockets water on foreign territory with its inalienable property.
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                  Syrians and money? laughing Well, apart from Asad and enjoying the results of the privatization of the former state property by Bashar, things are incompatible)).
        2. Korax71 16 May 2020 20: 24 New
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          Lopatov, do not you think that sayings like: “could ....” are very similar to the search for male sexual characteristics in grandmothers? there is a good saying: "Take it on my own, so as not to fall when walking." In this case, Syria is the smith of her own "happiness." to conclude an agreement with him is also not burning with a desire. request
  • sevtrash 16 May 2020 17: 12 New
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    "What is taken in battle is holy"

    In other words: Whoever is strong is right. High moral principle, of course. Straight from the barbarian times. Although it is used very often now, especially by those who are just pressing on their - and exclusively on their own - high moral principles and foundations. Israel is not the first, though not the last.
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      I am wildly sorry, but Syria has been an aggressor in all wars. As a result of unsuccessful wars, it lost territory. So who is their doctor?
      1. sevtrash 16 May 2020 20: 43 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        I am wildly sorry, but Syria has been an aggressor in all wars.

        ... During the period between the invasion of Canaanite tribes and the conquest of Syria in 64 BC. e. By the Roman Empire, its territory was consistently ruled by the Hyksos, Hittites, Egyptians, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Macedonians, the Hellenistic power of the Seleucids, Great Armenia Tigran the Great ...
        ... In the XII century on the territory of Syria were formed the state of the Crusaders, which lasted less than a hundred years. From the 1400th century, Damascus became the provincial center of the Mamluk Empire. In 1517, Syria was attacked by the Timurids. Tamerlan defeated the Mamluk detachments, destroyed Damascus and took all his wealth to Samarkand. Since 4, Syria for XNUMX centuries became part of the Ottoman Empire ...
        1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 20: 46 New
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          We are about the latest history and Syrian-Israeli relations hi
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            We are about the latest history

            Well, yes, but in your previous phrase you can’t tell.
            But even so, there is something to object to:
            ... The latest time (recent history, modern history) is the period in the history of mankind from 1918 to the present ...
            ... In 1920, the Syrian Arab Kingdom was founded with a center in Damascus. The king was declared Faisal from the Hashemite dynasty, who later became king of Iraq. But Syrian independence did not last long. Within a few months, the French army occupied Syria, defeating the Syrian troops in the battle at the Meisalun Pass on July 23 ...
            ... France, in turn, receives the Mandate of the League of Nations on the territory of Syria in 1922. [13] In 1926, the mandated territory was divided into Lebanon and Syria ...
            ... In 1936, an agreement was signed between Syria and France, providing for the independence of Syria, but in 1939 France refused to ratify it. In 1940, France itself was occupied by German troops, and Syria came under the control of the Vichy regime (Governor-General Henri Denz). Nazi Germany, provoking the rebellion of Prime Minister Gailani in British Iraq, sent troops of its Air Force to Syria ...
            1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 04: 45 New
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              Ok then limit it to the Syrian-Israeli wars laughing hi
  • 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 17: 26 New
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    Thanks for the great stuff, Alexander!
    With them, ordinary artillery shoots 2/3 of Israel. I think you are exaggerating a little. Or the phrase is not built correctly.
    1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 18: 22 New
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      Quote: 3x3zsave
      With them, ordinary artillery shoots 2/3 of Israel. I think you are exaggerating a little. Or the phrase is not built correctly.

      You're right. The phrase should read like this: "With them, you can shell Israeli territory at 2/3 of the distance to Tel Aviv with conventional artillery."
      These are the dominant heights. The shelling was fought from a height of more than 1000 m above sea level. Next is a completely flat seaside lowland. Take a look at the map.
      1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 18: 29 New
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        Why do I need a card? I have been to Israel.
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          Why do I need a card? I have been to Israel.

          In this case, you are quite aware of what is at stake. hi
          1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 18: 54 New
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            Less than I would like. hi
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              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Less than I would like.

              What else bothers you?
              1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 19: 52 New
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                Me? Nothing! In addition to regretting the brevity of acquaintance with the country and its citizens on the spot. If I gave reason to suspect me of chronic anti-symmetry, then I apologize, this is far from being the case. The rest, in PM, if interested.
              2. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 20: 12 New
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Me? Nothing! In addition to regretting the brevity of acquaintance with the country and its citizens on the spot. If I gave reason to suspect me of chronic anti-symmetry, then I apologize, this is far from being the case.

                No way!

                Quote: 3x3zsave
                The rest, in PM, if interested.

                In PM, please, Without any problems.
                Those interested in the topic always receive a friendly and detailed answer to their questions. hi
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                Thank you for your trust, Alexander! This is very valuable! Thank!
  • Krasnodar 16 May 2020 20: 50 New
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    With them, ordinary artillery shoots 2/3 of Israel. I think you are exaggerating a little. Or the phrase is not built correctly.

    You're right. The phrase should read like this: "With them, you can shell Israeli territory at 2/3 of the distance to Tel Aviv with conventional artillery."

    Tel Aviv itself)).
    Did you live in Beit Shemesh or in Modiin?
    1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 21: 01 New
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      The author wrote that he lived a little to the south.
      1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 04 New
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        South between Jerusalem and TA? Nothing comes to mind
        1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 21: 12 New
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          Your foot, Russian-speaking Jews! At least on this site, understand each other! Without creating a Knesset ...
          1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 13 New
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            Two Jews - 3 opinions))
          2. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 21: 42 New
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            “Two big differences! Or four small” Jews created the epic of Odessa! And Peter, forty percent
          3. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 43 New
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            I don’t know about Peter, for Odessa - the common work of all its inhabitants)).
          4. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 22: 07 New
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            "Sadness flew over
            Well, I'll go for a walk
            I share it
            Not with anyone
            The greenery of the alleys
            In the fluff of poplars
            I walk the land of Neva "(C)
            Jew wrote.
          5. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 22: 13 New
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            Rosewood wrote))
          6. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 22: 22 New
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            Right now, hurt! Unofficial anthem of the city. One of.
            And what do you have against Rosenbaum, well, except that he is a "Vepsian Cossack"?
          7. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 22: 25 New
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            At one time, uncle suffered from delusions of grandeur))
            I for Russia, I spoke like Michael Jackson for America ... not particularly understanding, while for the USA Michael was a threatening boy, a pop singer safe for girls)).
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            All "uncles" suffer from this mania, even Sid Vicious.
  • A. Privalov 16 May 2020 21: 37 New
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    Did you live in Beit Shemesh or in Modiin?

    In Beit Shemesh.
    1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 38 New
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      There live many Jewish Slavs from the Voronezh region - Ilyinka! )))
      1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 21: 44 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        There live many Jewish Slavs from the Voronezh region - Ilyinka! )))

        Of course, all three surnames: Matveev, Kozhokin and Piskaryov.
        1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 22: 14 New
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          And in numerical value is this?
        2. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 22: 32 New
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          And in numerical value is this?

          Hard to say. In the early 90's, it seems to me, there were about 70 souls - families 25-30.
          The fact is that they went to Israel in several visits. The first came "farmers." These are those who wanted to work on the earth. They received land plots in the area of ​​some moshavim and worked there for their pleasure.
          Beitshemeshskie - "urban", these are those who decided to live in the city. The old men were busy with the kids, the youth went to work at nearby enterprises. Girls married local ...
          How many are there today, it's hard to tell me. When I come to those parts, I meet them sometimes. There are no old people anymore, youth was practically absorbed without a trace. If you really need it, I can ask someone.
        3. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 22: 43 New
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          Dont need it, thanks. I knew one family living in Jerusalem. But, according to rumors, I thought there were about 1000 of them.
  • Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 46 New
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    2/3 of Israeli settlements
    1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 19: 58 New
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      ABOUT! That's more correct!
  • Arpad 16 May 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Why can't they do what Israel does?
    For example, in the Golan, they not only “looked and thought how to graze”, but simply selected the pasture.

    Syria attacked Israel and lost the Golan.
    What is the problem, Lopatov?
    1. Lopatov 16 May 2020 12: 42 New
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      Quote: Arpad
      Syria attacked Israel and lost the Golan.
      What is the problem, Lopatov?

      In that
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      there’s nothing to look at the green grass of a neighbor all the time thinking how to get there.
  • Uncle Izya 16 May 2020 09: 12 New
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    Yeah, for you and Turkey, as I understand it, good?
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      Yeah, for you and Turkey, as I understand it, good?

      And why not?
      In 2019, Turkey's exports to Israel amounted to $ 4,164 billion, and imports from Israel - 1,70 billion.
      1. Uncle Izya 16 May 2020 10: 22 New
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        Cucumbers are tomatoes?
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          Cucumbers are tomatoes?

          Yes, first there, and then back until the necessary turnover is reached. And the rest is worse quality in Russia.
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          Basically, I think, building materials. Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean are leading in this market segment.
          1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 49 New
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            Textiles, cement, seeds - nuts, fat additives for animal feed.
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              Hmmm ... Interesting ... But why cannot India deliver this to Israel through Eilat? Well, if you do not take into account logistics costs ...
              1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 20: 12 New
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                Exactly - logistics. Yes, and Turkish quality is better
                1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 20: 37 New
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                  Yes, the Turks have learned to produce quality goods. They would have Ataturk, instead of Erdogan ... However, like us.
                  1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 20: 39 New
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                    Ataturk intellectual and war hero. Erdogan is a populist and an official.
                    1. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 20: 52 New
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                      laughing
                      "There was a" cult ", but there was also a" personality "!" (C)
                    2. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 07 New
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                      Really a personality. And Erdogan makes a U-turn in the pre-Malysian period of populism for the sake of.
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                      Mink! hi Erdogan exactly follows the saying-All nae ... deceived and did not forget himself)
                    4. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 26 New
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                      Buna Syare!))
                      Erdogan - well, in general, yes - to him his wholesale market to open in Staropol is the most cymes. But to be the leader of such a country is already too much.
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                    Erdogan was caught his eye by the glory of Kemal, but the time of heroes remained in legends, the time of heroes-politicians passed. The time has come for politicians. That is, clowns. As a clown, I am better than Erdogan, and many others, unremarkable, I can laugh at myself
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                    Erdogan is best to grow greens in greenhouses - "I swear by my mother, I give myself to the detriment." Clown - for this you need more brains.
                  4. 3x3zsave 16 May 2020 21: 50 New
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                    Thanks Albert! Now I know for sure: Carlson is better than Erdogan !! laughing
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              Quote: 3x3zsave
              laughing
              "There was a" cult ", but there was also a" personality "!" (C)

              It is often difficult to understand how cult is the result of personality and how personality is the result of a cult)
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              Bravo! Good topic for discussion!
            4. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 21: 29 New
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              Ataturk knew seven languages, fought quite successfully in Galipoli, knew what and how to prevent the collapse of Turkey - turning it into another underdeveloped Middle Eastern hole. Well, the cult - in the east they do not know how differently, however, judging by the events of the 30s of the last century in Europe, not only in the East hi
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  • sevtrash 16 May 2020 10: 23 New
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    The source of the conflict, of course, lies in the very emergence of modern Israel, the numerous defeats of the Arab countries and the seizure of their territories. Everything else is a consequence and a second time. It is possible that the current and further progress of controls / espionage (mobile phones, drones) will reduce the level of possible actions against Israel. But, now it seems that while the Arab countries and Israel exist, there will be a conflict.
    1. really 16 May 2020 10: 42 New
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      The problem is that before the return of the Jews, it was a very deserted territory, especially no one needed with malaria from Kinneret and above to the Dutch heights, and only Jerusalem was of interest because of its role.
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        Quote: really
        Jerusalem, by virtue of its role, was of interest.

        For the Muslim world, too, was of no interest. The theory of his holiness was developed only after the emergence of the state of Israel, as a propaganda tool for the common people. The theologians of Islam deny its holiness for Muslims; their official statements in Arabic and English can be found on the Internet.
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    1. Arpad 16 May 2020 12: 08 New
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      Quote: Pytnik
      "come on halt, be objective, this is a good slap in the face of the navy of israel, from the hezbollah military group

      Of course, a good slap in the face, one of the consequences of such a careless attitude towards the enemy was the resignation of the commander of the Navy.
      Quote: Pytnik
      Did Hezbollah have a full army?

      Hezbollah’s sufficiently full-fledged combat potential is an order of magnitude higher than many armies in the BV.
      With this - they are not \ part of the armed forces of Lebanon and use it - like we are civilians.
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      and for a whole month, fighters, not fighters, as halts writes here

      they are considered militants or more correctly - not legitimate military formations.
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      held on and damaged the Israeli military

      well, it’s the most difficult thing to fight with - you have fought the same in the North Caucasus and are still fighting - how? there is something to remember.
      1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 19: 54 New
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        They are at the level of the Israeli reservists of the foot soldiers, there were few direct clashes (face to face), in all the losses of Hezbollah were like in a clash of the natives with the European army. In partisan activities, they showed themselves well, but the ratio of losses is not in their favor with the stupid command and control of the troops does not say anything good about them.
  • alone 16 May 2020 12: 10 New
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    Thanks to the author for the article. Here's what happens when an organization operates in the country that executes decrees from another country .. Well, they put rockets, weapons, and what? They turned the whole south of Lebanon into a military training ground .. The towns of the villages are in ruins just because Nasrallahu and its owners from the IRGC wanted to show the muscles in front of Israel .. Nasrallah was generally good, declared jihad and hid in the bunker laughing O Allah, protect us all from such unfortunate leaders .. Amen
  • Gust 16 May 2020 14: 57 New
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    Alexander, excellent article, balanced presentation of material. This is very difficult, taking into account all the accumulated contradictions;).
    Abstracting from the actual military-historical moments of the confrontation, I would also like to know your opinion about a possible solution to the conflict (as quick and effective as possible). For some reason, it seems to me that the solution for the most part lies in secret politics and diplomacy, and purely military aspects serve more in the hands of the army and military-industrial lobby (as elsewhere, however).
    1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 19: 16 New
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      Quote: Rafale
      Alexander, excellent article, balanced presentation of material. This is very difficult, taking into account all the accumulated contradictions;).
      Abstracting from the actual military-historical moments of the confrontation, I would also like to know your opinion about a possible solution to the conflict (as quick and effective as possible). For some reason, it seems to me that the solution for the most part lies in secret politics and diplomacy, and purely military aspects serve more in the hands of the army and military-industrial lobby (as elsewhere, however).

      In my opinion, the Arab-Israeli conflict is one of the smallest in recent history, both in terms of territorial claims and the number of victims.
      Of course, any sacrifice is bad, and you can fight for a territory of 6 hundred parts.
      We are not talking about quick solutions, because there is a need to solve a number of problems. How to give birth to a baby quickly.
      In general, apparently I will have to write an article on this subject, but this is a completely different story.
  • Soveticos 16 May 2020 18: 35 New
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    Some kind of one-sided and propaganda article. Even the photos were so chosen that the photos of representatives of the Lebanese government (mainly Christians) and Hezbollah are disliked, and Israel is smiling and cheerful everybody ... I remember the response to the accusations of using civilian facilities to deploy Hezbollah rocket launchers. a monetary reward to anyone who can do this, and this proved the groundlessness of such accusations. They bombed Lebanon notably and drove them into the Stone Age, decided to punish the whole country, I even remember their president during the interview could not hold back tears. Killed more than one and a half thousand civilians. And they try to explain the actual loss by Olmert's "kindness" and the worthlessness of the Minister of Defense. It’s just that in the first years over many years, not "stone throwers" opposed Israel, but really trained fighters. This war also saved, or delayed, the death of, so to speak, many lives of ordinary Palestinians in Gaza. Indeed, at that very time there was a military operation against them. I think the wars in the Middle East will end just when Israel returns to the 1967 borders. If even then the Arabs and Iranians do not calm down, then the whole world, and not several pro-Israeli countries, will be on the side of Israel. PS: The notorious Hamas, I saw a fragment of an interview once on RTVi and read, it was organized by Israel, as a counterweight to Fatah. They still can’t agree. May God grant, peace will nevertheless ever come to this ancient land, unless they interfere from the outside and heat up the wars. The long-suffering people of Israel and Palestine are just pawns in the hands of backstage puppeteers both in these countries themselves and abroad. A bit naive look as it may seem, but still what it is.
    1. Krasnodar 16 May 2020 23: 33 New
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      1) These really trained fighters are not bad at partisan operations. All their "frontal" skirmishes with the IDF (that is, when they appeared in the field of view of the Israelis) ended for them in a very deplorable way. There were few such hassles, but they are indicative.
      2) Against the Palestinians from 2000 to 2004, for about a year, a database was conducted using firearms from the Arabs. Separate units were better prepared than the Jewish infantry - for example, Detachment 17, which was trained by the American Delta.
      3) I agree about the connection with Gaza - then 800 Palestinians died. It is significant that after 2006, with tougher operations against Gaza, Hezbollah sat quietly and peacefully.
      4) This is the East - a return to the borders of the 67th will lead to even greater escalation, being perceived as a weakness of the Jews
      5) Hamas is the combat wing of an organization that built mosques and helped the poor. Fatah - the socialists, were very unhappy with the distraction of their youth from the fight against the Jews, so they tried to slay her, which Israel did not allow them to. But later, the Muslim Brotherhood, banned in Russia, created a military wing there - that’s the whole story.
      1. Soveticos 17 May 2020 19: 48 New
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        With 1 and 2, I agree with you, but with 4 we cannot know in advance whether this will lead to even greater escalation. As I said this, one of the reasons for the ongoing conflict is this. If Israel completely, not symbolically, gave PART of East Jerusalem with a mosque on the Temple Mount, believe me, 70% of the problems would have been solved, because now the monarchs of the gulf are not particularly promoting the development of ties with Israel. But not because of hopelessness, but to spite Iran.
        1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 20: 57 New
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          Opponents have not yet repealed the Palestinian Charter - the destruction of Israel. The retreat to the borders of 1967 will be perceived by them as another victory, but not final.
          An example of mentality is that an Arab child of about 8 during the First Intifada approaches an Israeli soldier with a stone in his hands. A soldier pointedly points a rifle at him. The child raises his hand with a stone - the soldier naturally runs away. Israel’s conclusions - well, do not shoot the child, well done, tried to scare him - it didn’t work, he retreated. Conclusions of the Palestinians - an armed soldier was frightened of a child with a stone, which means there is a chance to finish off such cowardly Jews. That's all you need to know about the difference in mentality and perception of concessions.
          1. Soveticos 17 May 2020 21: 49 New
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            You are right, the warring parties have always used the image of children for propaganda.
            1. Krasnodar 17 May 2020 21: 54 New
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              Heh, compared. )) The zigzagging Hezbollah sent shells to the heads of these children - Palestinian and Lebanese children are taught to hate Jews from childhood, and it would be fine in the family - at school, according to the program. What is punishable in Israeli educational institutions, they have officially. Living 25 years in Israel, I did not understand the natives of the country - where did such Nazism humanism come from? The same Lebanon and Gaza can be rolled into concrete for two weeks ... but no ... negotiations, humanitarian aid, do not shoot at lighted windows, etc.
              1. Soveticos 17 May 2020 23: 43 New
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                Dear Krasnodar. They probably believe that Israel occupied their lands, killed their fathers and brothers, used phosphorus, cluster and other prohibited ammunition in combat operations, the war against them became a testing ground for the latest weapons systems ... Exactly, they would have been rolled into concrete , maybe in a week, if we could ourselves, without the help of the funds of the foreign diaspora and if there were enough resources. As for school curricula and textbooks, how can I say, one can directly call for hatred, or it can be veiled, emphasizing their superiority over others. Do not shoot at lighted windows, probably there are no such windows after the bombing of power plants and other infrastructures. Negotiations are only for negotiations, humanitarian aid and everything else is almost from the category of scenes from the movie "Do not mess with the Zohan." No one will go to serious negotiations from your government - they will kill you, as they killed the only courageous Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was killed by a fundamentalist.
                1. Krasnodar 18 May 2020 00: 01 New
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                  1) Occupied their land:
                  a) They really think so;
                  b) we believe that the Arabs occupied ours, having conquered them in the 7th century AD;
                  c) They started the war.
                  2) The use of ammunition of all kinds - well, yes, they simply killed, slaughtered and raped, well, they shot - first with shells, then with Katyusha and hailstones, Jewish n.p. including kindergartens, schools, etc. ;
                  3) Testing ground - the Arabs started the war, different and all kinds of systems were tested there by the USSR, France, England, the USA and later by the Israelis themselves. But all this was the result of Arab aggression.
                  4) The country has reserves of hundreds of billions of dollars, a hundred billion annual export - the dough is enough.
                  5) Emphasizing your superiority - how is it? laughing The fact that a small impoverished Israel without oil in the conditions of wars and defense spending has built itself a Western European standard of living - yes, it causes complexes and hatred. In general, even the children of the most bombarded city of Israel, Sderot, in an interview with Israeli television, called the residents of Gaza "unhappy people, hostages of Hamas."
                  6) Lighted windows - there are many. Both in Lebanon in 2006, and in Gaza, the beginning of the zero. They have never dealt a serious blow to civilian infrastructure.
                  7) Humanitarian assistance is given for reasons unknown to me - peace is probably bought and is a step in a propaganda war, but for the most part, citizens consider this to be normal.
                  8) He - Barak tried to give them most of what they wanted. Bibi was not opposed, until 2011, to give the Golan for peace with Syria - subject to their demilitarization, the preservation of cities and settlements, etc.
                  9) The only consensus on BV between different countries is hatred of Israel - it wouldn’t exist, it would be necessary to come up with hi
                  1. Soveticos 18 May 2020 00: 57 New
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                    I partially agree with you only on 7 points. Omar Sharif in one of his interviews said that he would very much like to see the peaceful coexistence of Israelis and Palestinians, but said that he was unlikely to live to see what happened, but did not live. I hope this will happen before the end of the century. It's all in God's hands. Good luck to you.
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                      Thank you - in twenty to thirty years, I hope it will be so.
    2. Maki Avellevich 17 May 2020 09: 40 New
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      Quote: Soveticos
      They bombed Lebanon notably and drove them into the Stone Age, decided to punish the whole country,

      we will see. for example, a fresh top view of Beiyrut.
      yes, many countries of the world will call us to bomb their cities to such a state.
      as Preobrazhensky said, don’t look so closely at the TV. they usually lie there.

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        yes, many countries of the world will call us to bomb their cities to such a state. All photos could not be uploaded.
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          Quote: Soveticos
          yes, many countries of the world will call us to bomb their cities to such a state. All photos could not be uploaded.

          Dear, photographs of your quarter "Dahiya". He belongs to Hezbollah.
          there they lodge their gang.
          and yes, in Beirut there were many satisfied with the fact of the bombing of parasitic individuals in the Lebanese state.
          for your information, Lebanon appeared as a Christian state and eventually turned into a haven for Shiite terrorists
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            Is South Lebanon a separate country? Is bombing of civilian objects acceptable? The vast majority of deaths in Lebanon were civilians. Perhaps the few remnants of the representatives of the so-called army of southern Lebanon were happy about the bombing, or what else did they call them? Believe me, I do not condone Hezbollah or anyone else. It's just a pity the killed civilians, women and children. It’s a pity in any war.
  • Aviator_ 16 May 2020 19: 03 New
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    An interesting article, given that the author is from there. If Hezbollah had a similar article, it would have been ideal.
    1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 20: 07 New
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      Quote: Aviator_
      An interesting article, given that the author is from there. If Hezbollah had a similar article, it would have been ideal.

      So what's the problem? Go to their site and read for your pleasure. hi
      1. Aviator_ 16 May 2020 20: 26 New
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        But what, has it already become an Israeli site?
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          Quote: Aviator_
          But what, has it already become an Israeli site?

          What’s the connection? For example, I have a Lebanese friend, a former TsADAL officer, he told me a lot about the Lebanon conflict, I wrote his story here before, but here you all perceive one-sided, Israel is an enemy, Hezbollah is fighting for Assad in Syria, it means friends, and it's useless to prove something, by the way, he is a Christian, but in my new job I have two Lebanese of former Tsadalniks, they are Muslims, this was new to me, I did not know that Muslims fought
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            but here you perceive one-sidedly, Israel is an enemy, Hezbollah is fighting in Syria for Assad means friends

            And where did you find this from me? Do not ascribe to me your thoughts.
            1. igor67 17 May 2020 06: 17 New
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              I wrote that in VO, it is useless to prove something to the contrary, you wanted the opinion of the other side, I am familiar with the Lebanese who were expelled from their homes, took the land, Hezbollah, and at the expense of the Cut out two settlements, the Lebanese told me that they took revenge for the Christian villages cut out atrociously, they were silent about the assassination of the President of Lebanon, and in his wallet he has photos of the Lebanese military, perhaps the 20 that are indicated by Privalov, the captured soldiers were brutally killed
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          Quote: Aviator_
          What, has already become an Israeli site?

          Do not even hope!
          But if you want to read about the heroic battles of the fighters against the Zionist aggressors under the guidance of the wisest of the wise - Seyid Hassan Nasrallah, the atrocities of the Zionist invaders who built their snake nest with the help of the American imperialists in the heart of the freedom-loving Middle East and other pleasures, then this is for you - to the site of the Lebanese Shiite militant organization Hezbollah.
          The only thing I can offer you so far is no one at the VO "just from there", these are my articles. How rich, how warm.
          By the way, a couple of years ago, I wrote a series of articles about the wars of Israel. So, one of the articles on the Six Day War was written only according to sources of opponents of Israel. You know, surprisingly, readers of VO did not like it at all. hi
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            I’ll definitely look
          2. sevtrash 16 May 2020 23: 02 New
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            Quote: A. Privalov
            The Six Day War was written solely by sources of opponents of Israel. You know, surprisingly, readers of VO did not like it at all.

            Surprisingly, they write completely different articles from the same sources. And the sources themselves can say very different things about the same thing. What and where to take, probably. Everything must be called into question. For truth, type.
            1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 23: 52 New
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              Quote: sevtrash
              Quote: A. Privalov
              The Six Day War was written solely by sources of opponents of Israel. You know, surprisingly, readers of VO did not like it at all.

              Surprisingly, they write completely different articles from the same sources. And the sources themselves can say very different things about the same thing. What and where to take, probably. Everything must be called into question. For truth, type.

              Not so simple.
              For example, when asked about what the Titanic sank from, the answer will be true: from the fact that its holds were filled with water.
              And what happened in Moscow on September 2, 1812? The true answer is:
              A complex physicochemical process of transformation of the starting materials during exothermic reactions, accompanied by intense heat generation, came into force. And what do you have to do with such truth?
              Actually, you can accept. What?
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                And what happened in Moscow on September 2, 1812? The true answer is:
                A complex physicochemical process of transformation of the starting materials during exothermic reactions, accompanied by intense heat generation, came into force. And what do you have to do with such truth?
                Actually, you can accept.

                These are examples of false answers. Get a little booze. And for journalism, sometimes the very thing is when you need to dig unnecessary facts deeper.
  • Normal ok 16 May 2020 19: 22 New
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    Good article. The decision-making environment is shown in an interesting way: the political situation, the actors (their biographies, characters).
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    Alexander hi Thank you for the article good as always great and interesting material. we will wait for the next part good drinks
    1. A. Privalov 16 May 2020 20: 22 New
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      Quote: Korax71
      Alexander hi Thank you for the article good as always great and interesting material. we will wait for the next part good drinks

      Thank! Preparation is in full swing. hi
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        Then I can only wish you success hi . The first part was really successful: the number of comments has already exceeded one hundred good
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    - The article is interesting.
    “Our passivity will not prevent another kidnapping of soldiers,” said Halutz.
    It would be interesting to read in the original.
    It is a pity that there are no links to online articles in Hebrew or English.