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How Soviet soldiers-liberators turned into "rapists"

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How Soviet soldiers-liberators turned into "rapists"

The commander of the machine gun crew of the 902th rifle regiment of the 248th rifle division of the 9th rifle corps, the foreman of the 1st Belorussian Front, the foreman, Viktor Nikolayevich Levin (b. 1923) with a light machine gun DP at the Reichstag


In the West, so rewrote history World War II, that Russia became the main culprit of war crimes against European peoples. The Russians were transformed from the liberators of Europe into "invaders, looters and rapists."

History winners write


“We will avenge the Russians for Hiroshima!” - so say the Japanese students. A significant part of the current youth of the Land of the Rising Sun does not know that Japanese cities were destroyed not by Russians, but by Americans. In the XNUMXst century, the media can make black white and vice versa. In the West and practically all over the world, perhaps, except for Russia (and even active attempts to make Vlasov and Krasnov heroes are being made) and Belarus, the history of the Second World War has already been rewritten as it suits Western rulers.

Western media have long assured the whole world that Germany was defeated by strategic aviation USA and Britain, the defeat of Rommel at El Alamein in Africa and the landing of the Allies in Normandy. Unfortunately, the vast majority of residents of the United States and Europe believe in this myth. No one is interested in the fact that the Red Army defeated most of the German divisions; that the Russians liberated almost all the capitals of Europe from the Nazis; that the Russians took the German capital - Berlin. Facts and analysis are the destiny of a few; consumers believe in a beautiful picture.

Moreover, in the West, the history of the world war was already rewritten so that Russia became the main culprit of war crimes against European peoples. The USSR and the Third Reich, Stalin and Hitler, communism and Nazism are put on the same line. In addition, the promising development of the theme “Hitler is the defender of Europe against the Russian communist threat” is already being traced. The Russians were transformed from the liberators of Europe into "invaders, looters and rapists."

How liberators turned into "rapists"


This has not always been the case. In May 1945, and in the first decades after World War II, Russians, in the minds of Europeans, and Americans, were liberators of Europe, great victorious soldiers. So, on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory, specialists of MIA “Russia Today” have studiedthat the leading newspapers of Britain, the USA and France wrote in May 1945 about the Red Army and the USSR: The Times, The New York Times and Le Monde.

It is not surprising that then Russia and Russian soldiers were rated at least moderately positive or enthusiastic. Honor reigned in the West, universal respect and gratitude to the Red Army and the Russian soldier.

Le Monde:

“The contribution of the great Russian ally is invaluable: it was the Russian side that for three years endured almost all the pressure from the Wehrmacht.”

May 9, 1945, Times, Winston Churchill:

“Tomorrow we will pay special tribute to our Russian comrades, whose skill on the battlefield has become one of the main contributions to the common victory ... on this day, Western nations will proudly express their respect to the invincible ally, Russia, which, sacrificing its lives and suffering material destruction , took upon itself the heaviest burden of all united nations. ”

In other articles of these publications and in other newspapers during this period they expressed admiration for the “great Russian ally”, spoke about the “invaluable” contribution to the victory of the USSR and the Soviet people, the “unthinkable victims” that the Russians made to win, about “courage and insights ”that led Russia to victory, etc.

It is clear that after the outbreak of the Cold War (hybrid third world war) the tone of the Western press has changed. Western leaders began to reformat the image of the USSR from a "liberating power" into an "evil empire" that wants to enslave a free Europe and destroy "democracy and freedom." True, this could not be done quickly. For years, Russians have been shown as liberating heroes who have broken the backbone of Nazism and fascism in Europe. Firstly, the possibilities of the media were then significantly inferior to modern ones. The process was lengthy.

Secondly, all the inhabitants of Europe were witnesses, participants and victims of the war. They witnessed how Russian soldiers liberated Bucharest, Sofia, Warsaw, Budapest, Bratislava, Vienna and Prague. The Poles, the Dutch and the French remembered the horrors of the German occupation. The British remembered the enemy air raids, the struggle at sea, the Arctic convoys and the stories of the Russian military successes on the radio. For hundreds of thousands of Jews around the world, including Americans, Russian soldiers were genuine liberators and savior. American veterans remembered the Soviet allies, the meeting on the Elbe.

That is, it was impossible to rewrite history immediately. Objective reality was in the memory of the overwhelming majority of the planet's population in 1950-1960. In 1970-1980, the situation began to change, but it was still far from a radical turn. The “wrong hero” in the world, a Russian soldier, had to endure for many decades until the old generations left, who saw everything with their own eyes, until they rewrote history books in schools and institutes, until the media completely processed the consciousness of the “world community”.

Who enslaved Europe


Step by step, drop by drop, but at the beginning of the XXI century the information agenda was completely reformatted. A major role in this process was played by the “thaw” of Khrushchev, who himself gave the West an informational occasion to persecute the Russians. The "World Community" did an excellent job of the liar Solzhenitsyn map (“Why did they create the myth of the great writer, the Pravdorub Solzhenitsyn?”) During the "perestroika" in the USSR, in the footsteps of Solzhenitsyn, the "crimes of the bloody Stalinist regime", the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, which allegedly led to the "Soviet occupation" of the Baltic states, Eastern Europe and the "unjust" Soviet-Finnish war, were hanged. Poland was declared "Hitler's first victim", although the Poles, together with the Fuhrer, arranged a division of Czechoslovakia. The “best German” Gorbachev hanged Katyn on Russia, although the facts show that the Polish officers were shot by the Nazis.

In the 1990-2000s, when all dogs could be hung on Russia, in the West they were no longer embarrassed at all. A monstrous myth arose that the Russian soldiers "raped in Germany all Germans aged 8 to 80 years." There are no real facts, but the intellectual, educational level of the consumer of the “world community” has sagged so much that the media can already sculpt anything. Since the second half of the 2010s, after the coup and the war in Ukraine, the image of the Russian soldier-liberator was almost destroyed. Now you can come up with almost anything, the average man will eat. In particular, to tell that only Ukrainians fought on the Ukrainian fronts, that Ukraine is “a victim of the Stalin and Hitler occupation”. That Bandera fought for freedom and independence, fighting against the Nazis and the Red Commissars.

Thus, the “world community” has completely revised and rewritten the results of World War II. The following topics dominate in the global information space: the Hitler-Stalin agreement on the division of Europe, “the Russian occupation of Eastern Europe”; occupation of Poland by Germans and Russians; USSR war against “peace-loving” Finland ("The myth of the aggression of the" criminal Stalinist regime "against the" peaceful "Finland"; Part 2); Battle of Britain and the Pacific, African Campaign and Allied Landing in France; the liberation of Europe by the allied armies and the "occupation by Russian barbarians" of Eastern Europe. The current “victory” of the Prague town politicians over Marshal Konev is only a fraction of the information war of the West against Russia.


"Liberator Warrior" - a monument in the Treptower Park in Berlin. Sculptor E.V. Vuchetich, architect J. B. Belopolsky, artist A. A. Gorpenko, engineer S. S. Valerius. Opened May 8, 1949. The monument “Warrior-Liberator” is a symbol of the victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic and World War II and the liberation of the peoples of Europe from Nazism
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 8 May 2020 06: 10 New
    +7
    Well, everyone knows how to lie in Europe for a long time, EVERYONE, even those who lie. The revelations of European media figures are no secret, they seem to purge their conscience periodically and then lie again, if only to pay.
    Pay attention to the lies of Europe should, but criminal proceedings for defamation and lies should still be brought. Impunity corrupts.
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 8 May 2020 06: 25 New
      15
      No one is interested in the fact that the Red Army defeated most of the German divisions; that the Russians liberated almost all the capitals of Europe from the Nazis; that the Russians took the German capital - Berlin. Facts and analysis are the destiny of a few; consumers believe in a beautiful picture.


      It would not hurt the author himself to stop doing the substitution of concepts. Soviet soldiers liberated the capital from the Nazis, Soviet soldiers captured the German capital.
      And why blame the amers and ungrateful Europeans? Are we better? Kolya from Urengoy flew to us from Mars?
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 8 May 2020 07: 02 New
        +7
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        No one is interested in the fact that the Red Army defeated most of the German divisions; that the Russians liberated almost all the capitals of Europe from the Nazis; that the Russians took the German capital - Berlin. Facts and analysis are the destiny of a few; consumers believe in a beautiful picture.


        It would not hurt the author himself to stop doing the substitution of concepts. Soviet soldiers liberated the capital from the Nazis, Soviet soldiers captured the German capital.
        And why blame the amers and ungrateful Europeans? Are we better? Kolya from Urengoy flew to us from Mars?

        Here we are, blaming on the Europoids.
        And we have our youth
        doesn’t know the story. No, the fact that our grandfathers defeated the Nazis
        - they know it, but ask about that
        Hiroshima and Nagasaki and ... will begin.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 8 May 2020 07: 10 New
          11
          Everything that Western propaganda lies about us, rewriting the history of WWII / WWII, is an elementary preparation of the "collective West" for a war against the Russian Federation.
          Namely.

          According to the theory of preparation and warfare, it is necessary for an aggressor to attack a victim to fulfill only 3 conditions. Namely.
          1. The aggressor needs to have the material and technical base for stockpiles of weapons and its logistics, as well as for manpower.
          2. One must have the support of the Allies in the war of aggression. To promise allies pieces of the pie after the victory of the aggressors over the victim country.
          3. MOST IMPORTANT. The authorities of the aggressor country must obtain permission from their own population to start an aggressive war against the victim country and the destruction of its people.
          To do this, it is necessary to give this aggressive war an allegedly just character. And for this it is necessary to demonize the future victim of aggression in the eyes of their own population. What is now being done by the West under the leadership of the USA / Pentagon.

          Based on this, I believe that the blackening of Russia and its historically state of forming the Russian people with rewriting the history of the Second World War / WWII is nothing more than an obvious preparation for a new world war between NATO countries and the Russian Federation.

          What kind of war will be, I can not judge. But the fact that the United States and NATO countries are unequivocally preparing for a war with Russia is absolutely certain!
          We cannot - we do not have the right - to ignore this fact of a military threat and just watch it passively! There must be a definitive response!
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 8 May 2020 08: 30 New
            0
            To warn all NATO, and especially the "new members", that we will no longer forgive them for a new collective campaign against us. The demolition of monuments is a lesson for us.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 8 May 2020 09: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            Everything that Western propaganda lies about us, rewriting the history of WWII / WWII, is an elementary preparation of the "collective West" for a war against the Russian Federation.

            And so that they do not write, and no matter how they get out of their skin, the 100-year-old veteran said yesterday on Ren TV, "We won, and the others only helped us. Our flag was over the Reichstag."
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 8 May 2020 15: 41 New
              +2
              If we talk about violence against Germans. then you need to be objective and not blame everyone and everything on the head of the Red Army. Namely.

              After the 45th year, on both sides of Berlin, as you know, thousands of Germans lost their honor. AND Allied forces fighting Nazism in WWII contributed to this.
              However, traditionally the biggest blame for such abuse, with a light hand the FEAR of Goebbel propaganda, was entrusted to Soviet soldiers.
              And rape of German women in the West is called contact between the winner and the defeated VOLUNTARY act.

              However, the historian Miriam Gebhardt proposed a new look at the problem of violence in post-war Germany.
              According to the results of her research, Gerhard released a book in which she talks about what role the Yankees played in the history of Germany in the second half of the 40s.
              According to the researcher, Americans defamed about 200 thousand Germans and in no way inferior to their allies on the front of violence. One of the main sources for the work of the historian was the data of the Bavarian priests. Attempts to look at how the Americans fought against the Nazis have been made before. So, in 2003. forensic professor Robert Lilly discovered that by November 1945 the tribunals had examined more than 11 thousand cases of sexual crimes.

              Allied forces raped tens of thousands of Germans • Mar 31. 2015 year
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 8 May 2020 16: 33 New
                0
                The mythical Goebbel propaganda against the USSR / Russia still lives in the West and wins there!

                The Goebbels case in the same 1945 was continued by the Allies, then the first publications appeared, where the Red Army was already being tried to be presented as an army of marauders and rapists, while being completely silent about the outrages that were happening in the western zone of occupation.
                With the beginning of the Cold War, the topic was exaggerated, but not as aggressively and massively as it began to happen in the last 20-30 years.
                The figures of "raped" were initially modest: from 20 thousand to 150 thousand throughout Germany.
                But in 1992, after the collapse of the Union, a book of two feminists was published in Germany, Helke Zander and Barbara Yor, "Liberators and the Liberated ”, where for the first time the figure of 2 million was deduced. Moreover, it was deduced on the basis of a completely incorrect premise: the standard ones were taken in one Berlin hospital from 1945-1946, where about 500 children a year were born, and for about 15-20 people, the column “father's nationality” indicated “ Russian". Moreover, only in two or three such cases it was indicated "raped."
                What do these "researchers" do? They considered that in all cases when the father is Russian, there was rape.
                Then the Goebbels form “from 8 to 80” was taken and simply multiplied.
                However, this figure has become widespread since 2002, with the publication of Anthony Beevor's book The Fall of Berlin, which was published here in 2004. And the mythical "2 million", on the eve of the Victory Day, went for a walk through the liberal media ...

                Indeed, there were sexual crimes against Germans in Germany, but they were also committed by local residents, as well as prisoners released from counterattacks.

                As for the KA, in relation to the Red Army men "from above" a clear instruction was given about the punishment for the committed looting and violence against local residents up to execution on the spot, despite the past heroism and military awards of the guilty.
                In the troops of the ALLIES for such acts against the Germans were not punished.

                What punishment threatened the Red Army for violence against the Germans. • Oct 23. 2019 year
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 8 May 2020 19: 51 New
                  0
                  In the troops of the ALLIES for such acts against the Germans were not punished.


                  Exposed, how!
                  You yourself wrote in a previous post:

                  So, in 2003. forensics professor Robert Lilly discovered that by November 1945 tribunals examined more than 11 thousand cases of sexual crimes.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 8 May 2020 20: 09 New
                    0
                    Compare!
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    According to the researcher, the Americans discredited about 200 thousand Germans
                    и
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Attempts to look at how the Americans fought against the Nazis have been made before. So, in 2003. forensic professor Robert Lilly discovered that by November 1945 the tribunals had examined more than 11 thousand cases of sexual crimes.

                    200 thousand Germans raped by Germans against 11 thousand cases of recruited American rape perpetrators, whose cases were considered in the tribunal.
                    This is only 5,5% of those prosecuted of the total number of cases of German rape by Americans. We can say that nothing is insignificant!
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 8 May 2020 20: 27 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      200 thousand Germans raped by Germans against 11 thousand cases of recruited American rape perpetrators, whose cases were considered in the tribunal.

                      What's the problem?
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      This is only 5,5% of those prosecuted of the total number of cases of rape of Germans by Americans

                      Not from the total number of cases, but from the figure of the next crazy person based on a fantasy sample. The selection for the "second half of the 40s", that is, from the formation of the Rhine to the restoration of the FRG, and the smaller figure was about military tribunals, that is, only spring. If 10 thousand were raped every 3 months, then the figure beats.

                      Counting raped Germans is such a sport for people of a certain plan.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 8 May 2020 17: 34 New
                0
                The bulk of the wear on the Moroccan and Algerian Arabs, who served in the French units.
                1. Range
                  Range 8 May 2020 20: 08 New
                  0
                  I wonder if the West will ever be punished for the lies that it brings to the whole World. According to the law of the genre, the lie empire must be exposed and punished. Dreams Dreams ...
                  1. Sergey Zhikharev
                    Sergey Zhikharev 12 May 2020 11: 55 New
                    0
                    When the Asians (Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Thais) come over the West and remember to the Europeans all their "white man's burden". Then the Europeans will face another truth about which they would not like to know. Maybe in 50 years this will happen.
                2. Octopus
                  Octopus 8 May 2020 20: 36 New
                  0
                  )))
                  By the way, in those years the Americans were not particularly politically correct, and the Negroes were still hanged, even their own. So after the news of such a multi-stump appeared, Aiki called the French and urged them to take these hot black men back to Africa, where they belong.
              3. About 2
                About 2 12 May 2020 01: 53 New
                +1
                Even if we assume that our soldiers raped German women, it’s worth asking these talkers how many Soviet women were raped and killed by German soldiers? Why doesn’t our propaganda work here because there are so many archival photographs and filming of the consequences of such acts, as well as eyewitness accounts. However, recently it is considered that these are too traumatic things and Western false propaganda blooms in a stormy color.
          3. awdrgy
            awdrgy 8 May 2020 15: 39 New
            -2
            So it is and there will be no more prisoners But this is scary (especially not when you but when you) Are we ready? Spirituality? Humanism? Nationalism? Where to look for answers? How then to return home and look in the eyes? And they are ready (many of them) - Dur-ki of course, but what does it change Prevent the slaughter? Where are the recipes? -They don’t. How to prepare? What are the retaliatory measures? And then what?
          4. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 8 May 2020 19: 45 New
            +2
            But the fact that the United States and NATO countries are unequivocally preparing for a war with Russia is absolutely certain!


            Have they collapsed from oak? The Americans cannot cope with North Korea alone, with its antediluvian weapons and two (approximately) atomic bombs, but what makes you think that someone will fight with Russia, with its nuclear weapons and means of delivery that are not inferior to amers?

            Hare to carry nonsense. Otherwise, the Americans will really crush you without a single shot, if you do not create a powerful economy and rich people. The rich and satisfied at least to the level of the USSR.
        2. nikvic46
          nikvic46 8 May 2020 08: 20 New
          +2
          Once at school I was asked to give material about my father during the war years. It turned out well. And suddenly I heard a monstrous question: "Who were we fighting with?"
        3. Moon
          Moon 8 May 2020 22: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: Doccor18
          they know it, and ask about that
          Hiroshima and Nagasaki and ... will begin.

          I saw a video question of teenagers on the street - who won the Second World War (RF)
          and the answer that Putin defeated Hitler is not the worst ...
          by the way the page of the Japanese textbook on the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

          That's what the Japanese need to write more for themselves, and not as a line, these are events like the Nanjing massacre ..
          Although it is clear that everyone is silent about their sins.
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      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 May 2020 08: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        And why blame the amers and ungrateful Europeans? Are we better? Kolya from Urengoy flew to us from Mars?

        And there is
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 8 May 2020 13: 44 New
          +5
          And there is such a thing.

          But what does the first photo about the repression of Russian Germans have to do with it?
          For your information, almost the entire adult population of the Germans was "drafted" into the Trud Army. And a very large part of them died there, or died, it is as you like. This is not to mention the liquidation of the Republic of the Volga Germans.
          And I do not know a single case that the Russian Germans would oppose the Soviet regime.
          Very hardworking and (mind you) law-abiding people.
      4. snake
        snake 8 May 2020 11: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        It would not hurt the author himself to stop doing the substitution of concepts.

        That's it. Samsonov himself does not disdain to support the distortion of history:
        “We will avenge the Russians for Hiroshima!” - so say the Japanese students. A significant part of the current youth of the Land of the Rising Sun does not know that Japanese cities were destroyed not by Russians, but by Americans.

        It would be nice to confuse who bombed whom in the DPRK, but the Japanese are open enough for the rest of the world to know from many sources who dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And only stubborn propagandists in Russia continue to spread this nonsense.

        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 8 May 2020 12: 54 New
          -1
          I had a chance to communicate with Japanese students and graduate students (when they were still in these roles), so: in teaching history at school at that time, they are very colorfully presented with the training of amphibious assault forces in Japan, then - the fact of dropping yadryon loaves on cities, and they do not say at all who did it, and then they present the American bases as "a necessary measure to defend against the USSR."

          And this - as of ten years ago, as it is now - I do not know, but I suspect that it is the same.

          This is Japan, parents there do not climb into the process of schooling, it is not accepted. Children do not ask their parents questions about school.
      5. zenion
        zenion 12 May 2020 16: 59 New
        +1
        Of course patriotism is good, but lying to what others see is bad. Japanese schoolchildren answered polls in Japan who dropped nuclear bombs on their cities and they all answered - Americans. So why did the opening words of the author of the article turn out to be false?
    2. Mussasi
      Mussasi 8 May 2020 06: 31 New
      -2
      It was a war, and according to the canons of war there should be everything, murder, death, violence, mockery ... and that someone has doubts that this was not, of course it was. But to emphasize this is rather strange ....
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 8 May 2020 06: 49 New
        +3
        Well, in the West, the townsfolk are accustomed to the fact that if they carry democracy, then not with bombs, but only with flowers. And then Russian European people were killed to death. Wild and not at all tolerant. They forget the truth THAT these European nonhumans did in occupied countries.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 May 2020 09: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Mussashi
        It was a war and according to the canons of war

        War never had canons. War is eating your own kind, where there are no laws and canons.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 8 May 2020 11: 58 New
          0
          In general, if it is not a war of the cannibalistic tribes. Even in antiquity there were some laws and customs
    3. Mitroha
      Mitroha 8 May 2020 06: 36 New
      22
      First of all, you need to deal with your copyists of history, and the vast majority of films about the war of recent years show such heresy that even our younger generation may have the impression that they won exclusively by filling up with corpses and thanks to detachments. And the top management was exclusively looking for victims.
      Such should be condemned so that they would not have the desire to shoot more.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 8 May 2020 07: 22 New
        17
        The main rewriters of history sit in the Russian government, and with his approval, Solzhenitsyn-Vlasov is studied in schools as a classic.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 May 2020 06: 14 New
    16
    "Ordinary Fascism", a film by Mikhail Romm, should be shown regularly to all Western and Eastern countries in films and on TV. And then they began to forget who they were under Hitler.
    1. Mussasi
      Mussasi 8 May 2020 06: 36 New
      +8
      I can only recommend one war movie, Come and See!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 May 2020 06: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Mussashi
        "Go and look "!

        I agree !
      2. Alf
        Alf 8 May 2020 18: 02 New
        -1
        Quote: Mussashi
        I can only recommend one war movie, Come and See!

        Now the Star is another wonderful documentary series Eternal Patriotic. And he would be driven away by ORT on May 9, all series at once.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 8 May 2020 06: 39 New
      -10
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      "Ordinary Fascism", the film by Mikhail Romm should be shown regularly to all Western and Eastern states in films and on TV

      How interesting.

      Firstly, what can be the case of Western and Eastern states before the Soviet propaganda of the Khrushchev years?

      Secondly, it seems that Romm’s film, Comrade Suslov considered terry anti-Soviet. I will tell you more, the analogy between the USSR and the Reich was a traditional fig in the pocket of Soviet cinema, the same, I recall, was a big fan of the aesthetics of SS Lioznova. Do not remember?
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 8 May 2020 07: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Octopus
        engaged in a big fan of aesthetics SS Lioznova. Do not remember?

        fool
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 8 May 2020 07: 43 New
          -8
          ))
          Although about "how it was possible to shoot" I, of course, got excited: they were shooting and shooting not that. Why was it not to be removed - if you managed to break through the order and find support at the Lubyanka? There is no doubt that the creators of the boring saga about Stirlitz felt themselves on the set as freedom fighters and almost - if not almost without - geniuses. Who, apart from geniuses, can do it: pull it out on the TV screen and shout it into the eyes of the whole country that not everyone was whispering in their kitchens - that Hitler and Stalin's regimes are indistinguishable in many respects. That, for example, empty chatter at party meetings pestered the members of the NSDAP in the same way as the members of the CPSU. That the basis of the omniscience of the Gestapo was also an ocean of denunciations. That the citizens of the Third Reich, like the citizens of the Soviet Union, preferred any product, except perhaps bread, in imported versions - and so on. A special charm lay in the fact that all this frustration was being dragged through the "consultants" from the GB. The filmmakers must have chuckled quietly at their stupidity.

          In vain they laughed. The Lubyanka curators knew perfectly well what they were doing and turned out to be immeasurably more far-sighted. The filmmakers got what was the only thing that could have happened with such an external and such an internal task (and, of course, with such a screenwriter) - it turned out to be a disgustingly sincere ode to the secret police, an ode to butchery and sadism. For the KGB officers it was even better that the ode was apparently sung not by them, but by their counterparts from Prinzalbertstrasse: ours did not have such uniforms. The infernal sophistication of the SS uniform is exactly what the CheKGB lacked for the final lightening of the image. “The leaders of the Reich and the party (resp. The party and the state), perhaps - perhaps! - miscalculated in some way, leading the German nation (resp. The Soviet people) to a brighter future - just ask them. And we are draft horses; our destiny is to work until we faint and get stuck by the authorities, "- this could be said by people in baggy tunics. But when one-legged black angels say this, it also comes out touching, and therefore not an example stronger and more convincing. "Müller", who, along with the usual Julian-Semenovskaya nonsense, accidentally got into the role of two or three phrases vaguely similar to human ones, has become just a popular favorite. The moved affection for him was exactly the same type as now - for Masyana, but thousands of times wider and deeper.

          Only Muller is not Masyanya. The chief of the Gestapo is a figure of such pitch that in the entire bleak history of mankind there are not so many of them. How did the creators of "Moments" manage to rub it into the favorites of the public? It's very simple ...


          In parentheses, I note that Lioznova did not use the historical gray SS form, but pre-war black. Well, clean, it’s more convenient from the point of view of illuminators, yes.
          1. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka 8 May 2020 08: 07 New
            +9
            Quote: Octopus

            In parentheses, I note that Lioznova did not use the historical gray SS form, but pre-war black.

            42 photo of the year
            1. Avior
              Avior 8 May 2020 08: 37 New
              +4
              They finished it, found a lot
              . . By 1944, the wearing of this black uniform was officially canceled, although in fact by 1939 it was only used for special occasions.
              1. martin-159
                martin-159 13 May 2020 18: 31 New
                +1
                Himmler had to finish.
          2. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka 8 May 2020 08: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Octopus
            not the historical gray form of the SS, but the pre-war black.


          3. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 8 May 2020 08: 40 New
            13
            Octopus. There are now many accusers of Soviet power. especially among the intelligentsia. It turns out that even then they were whispering about the similarity of the regimes in the kitchen. A reasonable question arises - why were they whispering? Or the soundproofing is poor. Under Soviet rule, I just ate in the kitchen. Well, sometimes I cooked scrambled eggs and sausage, there is nothing to lie - I have always had 2.20 in the Leningrad region. And I lived normally for myself - I had an interesting job, I had no worries about how to feed and educate children.As for the tediousness of party meetings, I don't know either the NSDAP or the CPSU, apparently the author of the quoted source was present in both places - why not Stirlitz?
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek 8 May 2020 13: 00 New
              -7
              Excuse me, but how could they not whisper when Soviet socialism and German National Socialism - half of the words in the phrase have "socialism"?

              And yet, yes, in the pre-war period there are a lot of similarities.

              But.

              The whisperers in the kitchens could not know such details, we are spoiled for facts, speculation, and so on.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 8 May 2020 13: 57 New
                +3
                They didn’t have anything similar.
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek 8 May 2020 14: 44 New
                  -6
                  I am begging you...
                  Even the May demonstrations coincided.
                  The cult of a healthy body and parades with its demonstration on holidays.
                  The cult of labor.
                  Children and teenagers and youth organizations of the type of scout, but without fail.
                  War games for youth such as "Zarnitsa".
                  Free technical circles for young people, again.

                  Or maybe you did not know that the word "Fuhrer" literally translates as "leader".

                  The main difference in all these points - the equality of men and women did not bother.

                  And by the way, yes, the dominant architectural style is also based on empire.
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 8 May 2020 14: 48 New
                    +3
                    This is not a similarity. The similarities were political and economic, and so it can be sketched that the 3rd Reich was similar to the USA
                    1. AllBiBek
                      AllBiBek 8 May 2020 14: 53 New
                      -5
                      The economic similarities are huge.
                      Mass construction projects saturated with the spirit of romance.
                      Bet on the development of heavy industry.
                      Industrial development plans in years.

                      Note, when the world was in a fever with the "Great Economic Depression" - it did not affect either the USSR or Germany at all. On the contrary, they have the most impressive economic growth there.

                      Here are the political differences - yes, in everything.

                      But the approach to the role of the state in the life of an individual is almost the same, except that the USSR moved away from eugenics by the beginning of the 30s, and they didn’t really bother with it.
                      1. Kronos
                        Kronos 8 May 2020 14: 55 New
                        +2
                        You probably don’t know, but Germany, too, was affected by the crisis under Hitler’s economic prosperity. These were loans that had nothing to give back by the year 40, from which they started the war.
                      2. AllBiBek
                        AllBiBek 8 May 2020 15: 07 New
                        -1
                        I am aware of the Dawes plan and who gave Germany what money in the 20s and early 30s, and what kind of concessions the Nazis made when they came to power.

                        But - and where is the eve of the economic collapse of Germany by the 40th year?
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 May 2020 17: 41 New
                        0
                        In the 38th economy of Germany, which was overloaded with state projects, a kayuk began to come. Of the memoirs of Guderian - Hitler justified his generals annexation of Austria, the occupation of the Czech Republic and the outbreak of war against Poland for economic reasons.
                      4. AllBiBek
                        AllBiBek 8 May 2020 18: 08 New
                        -2
                        And what other excuses did they have to sculpt? That the Sudetenland annexed it because it was so demanded by the doctrine of National Socialism, which at that time was adhered to by all these generals (mainly the German population lived there), and the attack on Poland is the conquest of living space for the higher race, followed by the elimination of most of the local population , and the conversion of those remaining into slavery, as follows from the same doctrine, and of which justice then they did not doubt?

                        Yes, the economy was urging you to pay loans to you, gentlemen, the Americans, and we have nothing to do with it, and any Austrian artist with the rank of corporal at least in matters of economics understands the level of the best economists of his time, yes ...
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 8 May 2020 14: 37 New
          +6
          Anatoly! Comparison is not proof. In China, the CCP successfully rules, in the USSR, the rules of the CPSU - the names are carbon copy so what? Only outward resemblance. But it's not that. The fact is that I worked during stagnation in the engineering and scientific environment and am ready to testify that whisperers, if they were not met by me. The vast majority are ordinary people from advance to salary. Political conversations did not extend beyond criticism of the rise in price of vodka. . But no one shied away from work, the vast majority worked honestly and efficiently, although regular smokers also met - these were scolded, but not by the CPSU, but by the authorities, but there was little use from them.
          1. AllBiBek
            AllBiBek 8 May 2020 14: 48 New
            -2
            So you are a technical intelligentsia, but here - KMK - by default humanitarian-"creative".

            Again, regional specifics. Although, I can understand how it became possible in the same Baltic States or in the west of Ukraine, there were enough collaborators there, and not everyone was finished off, but this is how it took root in Leningrad ... For me this is a mystery.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 8 May 2020 18: 52 New
              0
              but this is how it took root in Leningrad ...

              Peter is the same Baltic, even cooler.
              The most European city in Russia, founded by the idol of Westerners Peter, who for 300 years introduced an incredible amount of personalities alien to the spirit of the people in the country's leadership.
              Naturally for the city of three revolutions.
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 8 May 2020 13: 27 New
        -7
        ))
        У You - did not cause analogies. Yes, almost no one called, frankly.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 May 2020 09: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Octopus
      In parentheses, I note that Lioznova did not use the historical gray SS form, but pre-war black.
      In 1934, black uniforms designed by Dibich-Heck were introduced; from the time of the first SS troops there was only a red armband with a swastika left for the SS. Berlin Academy, author of the cult painting "Mother" Karl Diebitsch (Karl Diebitsch). When creating the final version, the designer and fashion designer of the SS uniform Walter Heck collaborated with him. And the uniform was sewn at the factories of the then-little-known fashion designer Hugo Boss (Hugo Ferdinand Boss), and now his brand is famous all over the world.The black uniform was the uniform of the SS organization specificallyand not troops: only SS members had the right to wear this uniform; the transferred Wehrmacht troops were not allowed to use it. By 1944, the wearing of this black uniform was officially canceled, although in fact by 1939 it was used only for solemn occasions. When changing in 1939, Algemein SS to Waffen SS (a purely “party army” was reorganized into military forces under the nominal high command of the General Staff of the Wehrmacht) with the form of SS men the following changes occurred, during which they were introduced:
      field form of gray (the famous "field dog") color;
      ceremonial white uniform for officers;
      black or gray overcoats, also with armbands.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 8 May 2020 13: 00 New
        0
        Thanks for the detailed explanation.

        The bottom line in my post is correct. The black form of the central apparatus of the SS in the 45th is unhistorical.
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 8 May 2020 12: 01 New
      +5
      As evidence, give a private opinion of a person about the film. Are all anti advisers so stupid?
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 8 May 2020 13: 05 New
        -1
        Firstly, I didn’t prove anything to you.
        Secondly, yes, you need to know the opinions about the film of Soviet people. Non-Soviet will not see it. Yes, I am aware that Soviet people had different opinions about the film.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 8 May 2020 19: 23 New
          -2
          need to know opinions about the film of Soviet people

          The opinion of Soviet people is enthusiastic. And this is natural.
          The main consultant to the film was the KGB colonel Pipia, so the characters and the system of relations between the characters in the film are not like the Gestapo’s, but like our Chekists. There, even the prison is Butyrka’s native, and cadets from the Golitsinsky border school stood as extras of the bunker guards.
          Therefore, despite the irregular shape, we love them all, they are our relatives, the Soviet. laughing

          The real Müller is not your sweet darling Armor; in fact, he is like this:

          1. Octopus
            Octopus 8 May 2020 20: 12 New
            -2
            Quote: Arzt
            Therefore, despite the irregular shape, we love them all, they are our native, Soviet

            Well, you see. And you, in principle, do not mind.

            Clever Schellenberg and dad Muller are the positive, negative or neutral characters of the film?
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 8 May 2020 20: 20 New
              -1
              Clever Schellenberg and dad Muller are the positive, negative or neutral characters of the film?

              In the film - perhaps the positive laughing
              The form is not a hindrance, Stirlitz is also in shape!
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 8 May 2020 20: 32 New
                -1
                Ugums.

                This was the old sketch of A.N. Privalov, which I quoted. It is strange to recall, but 15 years ago in an absolutely loyalist, pro-Putin publication, the arguments about the Soviet people beloved by the Soviet people and Gestapo seemed completely banal. And now this is horror-horror.
            2. Nekarmadlen
              Nekarmadlen 8 May 2020 22: 39 New
              0
              They said that even Schellenberg’s relatives in Germany thanked the creators of the film “Seventeen Moments of Spring” and Oh. Tabakova for a well-played role ..)
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 May 2020 07: 45 New
    +8
    Quote: Octopus
    Soviet propaganda
    Well yes ! There was no fascism, there was no Nazism, there were no concentration camps, there were no extermination of the Slavs, Jews, Gypsies, there were no Majdanek and Buchenwald stoves, and 27 million Soviet citizens were not killed! Is this all "Soviet-era Khrushchev propaganda"?
    Your views are clear to me ....
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 8 May 2020 13: 06 New
      -4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      There was no fascism, there was no Nazism, there were no concentration camps, there were no extermination of the Slavs, Jews, Gypsies, there were no Majdanek and Buchenwald stoves, and 27 million Soviet citizens were not killed! Is this all "Soviet-era Khrushchev propaganda"?
      Your views are clear to me ....

      If all this was, then there was no Soviet propaganda, did I understand you correctly?
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 8 May 2020 13: 58 New
        0
        Was true
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 May 2020 14: 24 New
        +5
        You are a strange person .... You look at everything from a distorted, inverted angle. Then I write specifically: You have turned everything so that fascism, Nazism and all their crimes are propaganda of the Khrushchev times. And all these horrors of war simply did not exist .... So, all the German newsreel collected by Romm is "Ordinary Fascism"!
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 8 May 2020 18: 40 New
          -4
          No. Read carefully.
          Quote: Octopus
          Firstly, what can be the case of Western and Eastern states before the Soviet propaganda of the Khrushchev years?

          The words "Soviet propaganda" refer to a specific film. What makes you think that Soviet propaganda cannot be filmed on the basis of documentary filmmaking is a mystery to me.

          The propaganda is that all these horrors of war Romm combines the theme of "fascism". Although they have nothing to do with fascism, in any endless African massacre, the horrors are more or less the same. Well, yes, they do not kill in gas chambers, but simply with mates. Romm takes all sorts of nervous pictures and puts them in a politically correct series for an obvious purpose.

          Any other propagandists do exactly the same thing, taking off their crafts, yes, less talented.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 9 May 2020 01: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Octopus
            crafts

            I wrote about crimes against humanity and atrocities of the Nazis and fascists, and that this should be remembered and reminded by the film "Ordinary Fascism" thereby taking aside the very essence of the issue. I don't care about the color of the Gestapo uniform, but their crimes cannot be forgotten.
            Then watch "Hitler Kaput" or the painted Gestapo in "Big Difference"
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 May 2020 08: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Octopus
    Secondly, it seems that Romm’s film, Comrade Suslov considered terry anti-Soviet.
    To this, I’ll just tell you that you don’t confuse people, and yourself, because, documentary the film "Ordinary Fascism" was filmed by Mikhail Romm in 1965 from German archives and photographs left by the Nazis themselves. There is no ideology or Soviet propaganda here. The Nazis themselves shot this film about German fascism. Mikhail Romm only summarized everything in one tape.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 8 May 2020 13: 09 New
      -3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      To this I will simply tell you so that you do not confuse people, and even yourself, because the documentary "Ordinary Fascism" was shot by Mikhail Romm in 1965 using German archives and photographs

      First, I seem to be interested in the opinion of Comrade. Suslov. Did you find it out?
      Secondly, are you seriously talking this nonsense? From documentary materials, you can shoot anything you want. The most honest television in the world knows this well, now, and in the terrible 90s.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 8 May 2020 07: 48 New
    10
    Not only "Ordinary Fascism", then many, many, many films about the war from the archives of the State Film Fund, and show constantly, and not only on May 9, when we begin to remember ourselves, who we are and what we have done. The rest of the time TV makes a fool of our people and our children with endless stupid serials like "Milkmaids from Nahapetovka", "Pointe Shoes for Bun", etc. such nonsense ... And then we wonder where they come from, frying kebabs on an eternal fire ...
  • apro
    apro 8 May 2020 06: 15 New
    15
    It is clear that Europeans and Amers are propagandizing their own ... but whose new Russians are ??? Films bastard. Fine. 4 days in May, what is this for ????
  • Hagen
    Hagen 8 May 2020 06: 19 New
    +2
    In connection with the above facts, the statement of one of the political scientists that today prevails in the West is “Banderlog journalism, professing the principle -“ we all say so, it means it’s true. ”This means that it makes no sense to prove to these journalists that they are wrong However, it is necessary to bring the historical truth to the population of Western countries in any way possible on compelling facts. This is an ideological war for the minds of the population. The Western propaganda machine will go to any falsification of history in order to destroy the brain of both our and our voters (i.e. us and our children.) But which side should we take is the choice for us. We need to help our children to penetrate the historical truth that is lacking in school.
  • Eug
    Eug 8 May 2020 06: 25 New
    +5
    It is necessary to convey to a wide audience as much as possible the truth about Hitler's coming to power, about his sponsors, about investors in the economy of pre-war Germany, about the abolition of the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles, about the pre-war behavior of Poland, etc. All this sounds, but somehow very quiet and more for a professional audience than for a mass audience. Too many who did not deserve it after the Great Patriotic War were registered as allies. But the current government has a clear fear of offending "partners" and shareholders - what if they won't buy gas later ...
  • Octopus
    Octopus 8 May 2020 06: 56 New
    -3
    The author, as often happens with him, exposes his own delusional statements, like German women from 8 to 80. Particularly good (although everyone is good), a trip about Katyn.

    facts indicate that the Nazis shot Polish officers.




    Cheated liberals commander in chief. Well, the old woman also has a breakthrough.

    But the truth is simple.

    For many years, the WWII theme was crushed by the winners, the Big Three. Naturally, they - all of them - tried to avoid those uncomfortable topics. Here is this story about the Iron Curtain, from Stetzin in the Baltic Sea to Trieste in the Adriatic. And where were you 9 months ago, so smart, dear sir? Why didn't you say all this in Potsdam? Yalta? Tehran? Huh? What did you not know about the Soviet regime since 1917?

    So the winners were lied to a relatively consistent construct of the struggle of the forces of heaven against the forces of hell. How and when Comrade Stalin turned out to be on the side of paradise, and what went wrong afterwards (like Khrushchev was a big democrat, but almost wandered under him, on paradise) was not covered.

    Everything would be fine, but in the 00s a voice came from beneath the key. It turns out that Britain and the United States by and large do not give a damn about WWII, who was good there, who was bad. But the Poles did not give a damn, they really have something to say, accumulated under the Soviet regime.

    And so it happened that some Poles say (the rest simply do not care). So it turns out that the official position of Europe on WWII is shifting from "the war of France, Britain and the USSR against Germany," to "the war of Germany and the USSR against Poland" (regardless of the historical adequacy of such a presentation).

    Naturally, the role of the USSR in such optics is very different.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 8 May 2020 07: 09 New
    +6
    That's probably who rewrites history and distorts reality. so these are such writers. In Japan, they know perfectly well that the Americans dropped bombs, they pass this in schools, there are memory lessons. Dozens of museums. In Germany, all the monuments to the SOVIET WARRIORS are kept in exemplary order. A monstrous myth about raped Germans, and such writers came up with it, then neo-Nazi editions were copied from such inventions of ours, ours. In the West, they honor and remember Soviet soldiers. Previously, our media sometimes showed neo-Nazi processions. but they were always beaten by communist youth, but now it’s impossible to write about communists. All with a HOLIDAY OF VICTORY.
  • Tycoon
    Tycoon 8 May 2020 07: 22 New
    -3
    the facts of violence were unequivocal and unfortunately there were a lot of them, so you have to admit that to judge something - open all the archives of the Russian Federation on the Second World War and let's see what is written there .... and only when there is complete information you need to do final conclusions
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 8 May 2020 14: 05 New
      +1
      the facts of violence were unequivocal and unfortunately there were many
      ,,, yes they were and fought with it.
      That's a lot or not request
      open all archives
      ,,, even in the open you can find information.








      1. Tycoon
        Tycoon 8 May 2020 14: 38 New
        0
        they definitely fought with them .......
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 8 May 2020 08: 11 New
    +3
    I read the article. There was a double impression. On the one hand, everything is written correctly. But it all really looks pitiful. Usually the sins of the enemy are listed before going on the attack. And if this does not happen, then it resembles the complaints of a boy who was beaten by yard hooligans. After all, do not consider Putin's pathetic statements that we will not allow history to be rewritten as an answer. Already rewrote and do what they want. Putin, on the other hand, resembles the cook from Krylov's fairy tale. For me or be silent. if you have nothing to answer, or hit in the face once to discourage the hunt. Well, yes, if something needs to be settled with oil, Trump will call and congratulate, especially since he has a congress at a distance, "so he feels more free in words. But the price is not worth it.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 May 2020 08: 30 New
    +5
    In our peacetime, you can write anything. Moreover, there are no rules in the information war. We must show an example of how to teach children of history. For 75 years, so many myths have accumulated about the war that one wonders. Concerning violence. There was an order from the looting command. violence. And everything was according to the laws of wartime. There was also an officer court. And its severity was high. It cannot be said that there were no such cases. But there were much fewer than those from the Allies.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 8 May 2020 11: 05 New
      +2
      Nikolay! That's right, I put you a bold plus. It so happened that of all the zones of the post-war occupation of Germany, he lived and worked only in French. So the old people told me there what the occupiers from the former French colonies (blacks and Arabs) did. Women went out of the street cautiously. But about this on German TV - silent, not politically correct. But when on TV they start showing a film about the GDR, Frau always appears and in a grave voice begins to broadcast what horror was allegedly going on there. about soldiers hung with watches, etc. so there propaganda works. Although something positive about the Russian Federation at least once I read in the newspapers there? Never!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 8 May 2020 08: 46 New
    -2
    How to protect the truth ??? Our truth ???
    We must save it ourselves, first of all, Schaub did not have our boys Kolya and other nonsense ....
    We will be strong in our faith, in our truth, in everything else, they will not succeed beyond the hill !!! because we will be able to REMIND everyone and always how it was, because we are sure how it will be, if there are people who want to test our faith, our strength again!
  • Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 8 May 2020 08: 48 New
    +2

    Secondly, all the inhabitants of Europe were witnesses, participants and victims of the war. They witnessed how Russian soldiers liberated Bucharest, Sofia, Warsaw, Budapest, Bratislava, Vienna and Prague.


    But there were no Belarusian, Georgian, Jewish (and dozens of other peoples of the USSR) soldiers?
    The author decided, others rewrite history, the author criticizes them and rewrites them.
    Start with yourself.
    A Soviet soldier freed
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 8 May 2020 15: 21 New
      -1
      Excuse me, but what officers considered themselves until 1917, for example, Mannerheim or Pilsudsky? Or the same Ungern? Russian, or still Russian?

      But yes, you are raising an initially complex and extremely controversial question, to which it is impossible to find the only right answer.

      And then why raise it?

      In those days and in that cultural environment - "Russian" and "Soviet" are practically synonyms.

      Our bosom Western "friends", to beat them by the leg, absolutely the entire population of the former USSR, out of habit, is still called "Russians".
      1. DDT
        DDT 8 May 2020 19: 01 New
        -1
        Quote: AllBiBek
        In those days and in that cultural environment - "Russian" and "Soviet" are practically synonyms.
        Our bosom Western "friends", to beat them by the leg, absolutely the entire population of the former USSR, out of habit, is still called "Russians".

        Anatoly, what do you think? For example, my acquaintances, all of them are from the former "sovok" and all the polls say - "Russian victors", "Russian soldier", although half of them, the descendants of the kulaks and the repressed, did not fight their grandfathers. As an Uzbek, a Soviet person who lost most of the male part of my family in the war, I am unpleasant to hear this. Now, if Comrade. Churchill, then at the official level, Comrade. Stalin, Comrade Molotov, etc. what they say, it’s not good Lord Admiral not to know, SOVIET soldier. Soviet Union. SOVIET man. You quit daydreaming, they say you are Russian with RI, we will agree.
        That would not be today such an impudent, boorish attitude towards the GENERAL history of all the peoples of the Soviet Union. And the Russian neo-Natsik is the best, main and FREE ally, the European Natsik.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 8 May 2020 19: 31 New
          0
          Well, and now I am cut in the ears by the modern-politically correct "Russians", as well as the fact that under the concept of "German troops" there was no less hodgepodge of everything possible, which is why all the descendants of this same hodgepodge (except for the Germans) believe that that their ancestors had nothing to do with it.

          If they are jarred by the word "Russian soldier" - I think my late grandfathers will not mind, although there for two - only one Russian blood, and then 1/8, and then this is not certain.

          For internal use - yes, it would be better "Soviet".

          For external - kmk is better "Russian". In order not to relax from the fact that the USSR collapsed.

          And then all of a sudden fear will be lost again, and tucked into a united front: as practice shows, hundreds of years are enough for this.

          By the way, Russian troops also entered Paris in due time, and - whom only in them were not entire ethnic units ...

          Somehow I reason.
          1. DDT
            DDT 9 May 2020 01: 21 New
            -2
            That is, by and large you side. Like, now Russia is the only one and there is nobody to hope for. Well then, with us, the Soviet people, bribes are smooth. Deal with Europe yourself. And we are Soviet, etc. dismiss. We have our own problems.
  • Million
    Million 8 May 2020 08: 50 New
    0
    If our authorities are silent, then this situation suits them.
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 8 May 2020 08: 51 New
    0
    If the thief shouts loudest than anyone else: "Stop the thief!", Then the rapist shouts: "Help, they are raping!"
  • Avior
    Avior 8 May 2020 08: 53 New
    +2
    More recently, they cited a video that clearly showed that something is wrong with the memory of the war, not only in the West

    I do not presume to talk about the reasons for this, but the result is on the face.
    I looked - this video is not unique at all, unfortunately, there are enough similar ones
    sad
    1. Assyrian
      Assyrian 8 May 2020 10: 06 New
      +2
      "unfortunately, there are enough similar ones." Nightmare! I am ashamed of these children.
      Such polls need to be removed and laid out. Cut funding for worthless war films, and send money to such polls.
      The author does not answer the eternal question - who is to blame? (although hinting).
      The answer is simple in my opinion. If, today, Russia had Soviet military and economic potential, there would be no rewriting of history.
      They write history, and then if they want to rewrite the strong.
      We are the children and grandchildren of the WINNERS to blame for the fact that they spit in our faces. This we, could not save the creation of several generations. And no need to deliver snot.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 11: 15 New
      +1
      Lord, recently in a conversation with his peer, he asked him a question: who commanded the 2nd Belorussian. Answer: Zhukov. A curtain. But he was born just 18 years after the Victory.
    3. begemot20091
      begemot20091 8 May 2020 12: 45 New
      +1
      Yesterday I looked with one eye "According to the laws of wartime" Another nonsense - they fought not with spies and saboteurs, but between the ministries. And as for love .... 200 films such as "Hot Snow" and "Battalions are asking for fire." For all the rest of the stupidity - in the same ranks with the "9th company", "Stalingrad", "T-34" and other multi-serial crap of recent years. It seems that the directors of the "coast" have lost and are competing. Well, like: dumb, dumber.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 14: 16 New
        +1
        T-34 movie is not bad. This is not a film about the war, this is an allegory film, a parable film. The struggle between good and evil, and good is also generous. This film does not pretend to historical truth. Like the White Tiger.
    4. Doctor
      Doctor 8 May 2020 20: 03 New
      0
      More recently, they cited a video that clearly showed that something is wrong with the memory of the war, not only in the West

      Yeah, half recorded the Americans and the British as allies to Hitler.
      Likely readers IN laughing
      1. Moon
        Moon 8 May 2020 23: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Arzt
        Yeah, half recorded the Americans and the British as allies to Hitler.
        Likely readers IN

        there’s a survey in Odessa for a holiday

        there for children and young people very tight ..
        although here a little later I looked similar in Nizhny Novgorod, Moscow, St. Petersburg ... the same ..
        girls generally feel bad, but the boys confuse this .... although something remains in my head ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 May 2020 09: 10 New
    +4
    Where is the droushka?
    "" We will avenge the Russians for Hiroshima! " - this is what Japanese schoolchildren say. A significant part of today's youth of the Land of the Rising Sun does not know that Japanese cities were destroyed not by Russians, but by Americans. "
    A bunch of notes living there Russians, chito is not so. And the "news" itself was allegedly invented by the Urya newspaper back in the 2000s. Since then, it has been repeated from time to time, creatively adding what is needed.

    And not a single word about our officials, for 30 years of capitalism, who have not concluded new agreements on the protection of monuments, memorials, cemeteries of the USSR over the hill. Well, they wrote that the part is protected by laws and agreements of those years.

    Here we have it too - from the monument to Krasnov (they wanted) to the German drawings on the monument to Kalashnikov (similarly). Kolya from Urengoy, his sister allegedly also noted ...

    Alas, alas. They lie both with us and with us ...
  • iouris
    iouris 8 May 2020 09: 18 New
    +1
    It's time to figure out who they will turn us into.
  • Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 8 May 2020 10: 50 New
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    As for our History, you don't have to go far. For example, let's take Mikhalkov, who collected what he could, dirt and abomination in the form of masterpieces "Citadel" and "Anticipation" and splashed it on our History, on all who fought and died. From these films, you NEED to learn lies at school.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 May 2020 11: 21 New
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    What are you surprised at?
    When in 1975 the UN adopted its resolution 3379, which stated that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination, special attention was paid to evidence racial discrimination cited by the Arabs: they claimed that Israeli soldiers don't rape arab women. And they do not do this, as they disdain and, accordingly, are racists. By the way, the USSR voted for this resolution with all three hands. hi
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 May 2020 17: 10 New
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      By the way, the USSR voted for this resolution with all three hands. hi


      I'm afraid to ask, and the third hand is how? or just for the red words, and which of the members of the forum read UN resolutions, any one could be sure that most of them do not understand what and why ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 May 2020 19: 34 New
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        Quote: cniza
        I'm afraid to ask, and the third hand is how?

        There is nothing to be afraid of.
        UN members can currently be only internationally recognized states - subjects of international law. But in 1945, 50 states signed the UN Charter at a conference in San Francisco on June 26. (then, for a number of reasons, Poland was absent there). These countries are called the original members of the UN.
        However, the USSR, quietly managed to push into this list and several territories that did not have formal independence: the Ukrainian SSR and the Belarusian SSR. The formal reason for this was several articles of the Constitutions of these republics.
        The Ukrainian SSR and the Belorussian SSR were the founding states of the USSR and, like all other union federal republics, according to the USSR Constitution of 1936 (as amended in 1944) had:
        1) limited sovereignty (Article 15);
        2) own Constitution (Article 16);
        3) the right to free secession from the USSR (Article 17);
        4) the right to foreign policy activities, including the conclusion of international treaties and the exchange of diplomatic missions with other states (Article 18-a);
        5) the right to own military formations (Article 18-b).

        From that moment, at all UN votes, the USSR raised not only one, his hand, but two more from the Union Republics. Well, if you consider that all the socialist countries met at the UN - Bulgaria, Poland, East Germany, etc., which, for obvious reasons, never went against the General Line, then the USSR was turning, at the right moment, in a very many-armed Shiva.
        and who of the members of the forum read UN resolutions, any one could be sure that most of them do not understand what and why ...

        I would not take UN resolutions too frivolously. When posed correctly, they are very effective. For example, the effect of the Resolution of the UN General Assembly 68/262 is felt personally by every Russian. hi
        1. cniza
          cniza 8 May 2020 20: 43 New
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          I understand you, then 4 hands ... hi
  • Altona
    Altona 8 May 2020 12: 01 New
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    The history of the USSR has already been rewritten in our country, as eyewitnesses die shock, let alone the Great Patriotic War. Yes, and congratulatory posters now a Finnish corporal with reindeer, a Japanese tank "Chi-Ha" instead of a T-34, or German pilots in a Henschel plane. In general, the trend already indicates intentional "mistakes", and not just "illiteracy". That is, the "designer" of the poster is just joking, "I'll give the scoop grandfathers a fish."
  • 1536
    1536 8 May 2020 12: 19 New
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    Is it necessary to scold the earthworm if it loosens the earth? No. He is so arranged. This is his habitat. But is it necessary to fight with the bark beetle, which slowly but surely undermines the walls of your house, or with the bug, which drinks blood from you at night? Certainly necessary, although for some reason these animals were invented by Nature.
    Is there a fight over the BBC, which is constantly lying about Russia, and if it doesn’t lie, it provides information about our country so that the truth becomes worse than a lie? Of course it is. Only with a foreign state corporation should the state fight, well, like with a foreign army, say.
    Is it necessary to fight the gray-haired, thoroughbred "teacher" who, for money, or by conviction, tells in the local history museum of some Russian town that it is necessary to erect a monument to the Italian military, fascists, who in 1941 captured this very town? And what about a writer who, in pure Russian, talks about his dreams of writing in the Life of Remarkable People series a biography of A. Vlasov, a traitor to the Russian people? S ... who regrets that today German troops are not standing near Moscow?
    “Yes - was there a boy, maybe there was no boy?”"- this expression was put into the mouth of one of the heroes of his novel" The Life of Klim Samgin "by the great proletarian Russian writer M. Gorky, who has been completely forgotten today. But he opened people's eyes to life in Russia under capitalism, he brought out and described, perhaps, all types of characters of Russian people. And there is no need to look round, to be surprised that among the strong, decent, good people, of whom the majority in our country, there are those who give their people and their interests. Traitors, alas, are cultivated. Our "partners", neighbors, enemies, what a sin to conceal, and in our own house a careless attitude towards these people. Breed bark beetles for the sake of experiment and see what happens.
  • cniza
    cniza 8 May 2020 17: 06 New
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    “We will avenge the Russians for Hiroshima!” - so say the Japanese students. A significant part of the current youth of the Land of the Rising Sun does not know that Japanese cities were destroyed not by Russians, but by Americans.


    Where did you get such data? They know very well that they were bombed by the United States, and 100%, because they are told about this from kindergarten to death, but they consider us enemies, this is yes, but for a completely different reason.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2020 17: 31 New
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    “We will avenge the Russians for Hiroshima!” - so say Japanese students

    Nonsense. In the Peace Memorial Museum in Hiroshima, where schoolchildren from all over the country are taken to, all the names of Enola Gay pilots who ordered and even participants in the Manhattan project are listed
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 8 May 2020 17: 39 New
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      Here everything is according to the classics: "Who are the judges?" Yesterday some Aleksey Chichkin and Artyom Alekseev slandered the Finns, indiscriminately accusing them of using gas chambers.
      Today, a certain Samsonov slandered the Japanese, accusing them of ignorance of the one who dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'm not talking about Samson delirious exertions about superethnos.
      It is necessary to fight the falsification of history, only such "fighters" should be kept out of this.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 May 2020 17: 44 New
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        As for the Soviet hyperetnos of ancient Tartaria - he used the archives of Atlantis, namely the works of the Hyperborean historian Darth Hirohito. hi
  • Kushka
    Kushka 8 May 2020 18: 03 New
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    Quote: Assyrian
    . Nightmare! I am ashamed of these children .....
    If, today, Russia had Soviet military and economic potential, there would be no rewriting of history ......
    They write history, and then if they want to rewrite the strong.
    This we, could not save the creation of several generations.

    Questions are posed incorrectly, conclusions accordingly.
    1. The potential of the USSR is no side here - in the West, the position on WWII
    and in the 50s and 60-70-80-90-00-10s is UNCHANGED.
    2.Children, propaganda - not special, but I never heard that in the United States children from 5
    years (October - Pioneers-Komsomol-Communists) wore Volodya - Abraham_
    John, from the age of 12 they were obliged to know the names of the members of the Politburo, from 15 to read
    in the class of political information and outline the "primary sources", including the service
    in the army (he himself wrote down a bunch of notebooks) On the contrary, I heard that a million Americans are not
    know nothing about the president, senate, congress and generally know nothing about the country
    (how many states, where are they, etc.) "American student answered the question about Russia
    - a tree, a bear and Moscow, and the Soviet - million people, sq. km., number of states, the entire fauna
    and flora, etc.).
    I think that the "cultivation" for 10 years of such zombies in a million.
    us (the USSR and Russia) and destroyed - we gave the enemy a double edged sword.
    Imagine that by suppressing you raised your son in complete control,
    pursuing of course, good goals. Evil, very cunning and inventive people
    worked with him and he ceased to be "yours". USSR FALLS-AND NOBODY KICKED !!!
    And would your son be a normal man, with a strong character (well, he didn’t smoke, it happened)
    And here is your house, where his grandfather, mother, father and sister have muddied set fire to! A fist at the butt,
    and at least five fell - five wet spots will only remain.
    And you are again for yours - give propaganda, but to a high level.
    In, in - the right films, viewing by entire factories and schools in an organized manner,
    passed. And as cancer hung down, liberoids, geyropery, and the country is downhill.
  • DDT
    DDT 8 May 2020 18: 45 New
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    I just thought it was a sinful thing ... maybe because of my role-playing games with a sexual connotation like "The Day of the Taking of Berlin" with my ex-German wives, initiated such slander? Babas, they won't do that to their neighbors ... wassat
    And so it began, "two million" German women ... Why not all of them? How many of them were there, "females of childbearing age", probably more than two? Why are they so modest, you have to write, they raped all German women, from 6 to 60. These are the say beasts and animals. And so, something is hard to believe, only two million ?!
    Happy Victory Day. hi
  • Kushka
    Kushka 8 May 2020 20: 55 New
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    Once stuck in a hole.
    Films on board are 4 months old. The sailors will understand - "Wait a minute!" 10 episodes back to front -
    and you stand watch in any storm. Our "fisherman" for a meeting - changing - bow and films.
    So there I saw 2 films. The first with Vysotsky is Belarus, partisanism and children.
    In the final, Vysotsky, having run into punishers, leads them away from the camp of children and women.
    The second is the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Czechoslovakia. The main character is an Alkash, in a wretched spirit
    is listed in the orchestra, moonlights at funerals. "Artist" - not washed, not shaved for weeks.
    In the coffin I saw Lenin, Marx, along with the Roosevelts. Lost in the clutter in town
    Soviet boy, about 6. He brings him home, in the house the mouse hanged himself, trying to feed.
    They talk all the time, but they don’t understand each other. In the morning he goes to town
    there is turmoil and desolation. On the wall of the garrison recreation center Wolf- "Wait a minute" - the child comes to life,
    he leads him there, and he searches, to no avail. Leads to his grandmother, feed. Grandma for
    column windows. One "Ural" stalled - only the soldier's ass from under the hood.
    After a while the soldier knocks on the door - water would - wash his hands. The boy lights up -
    RUSSIAN SPEECH! - the grandmother freezes - we do not understand. So here is the whole movie from
    monologues of this drunk - he very FUNELY explains why he does not want
    hang out the flag (and its manager (Mordyukova is resting) threatens to evict) on her
    the homeless loggia and, in general, a bunch of complaints AND THEY ARE WANT TO LISTEN TO.
    But since then I can’t find these films. If you help, I will be grateful.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 8 May 2020 22: 44 New
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      Quote: Kushka
      The first with Vysotsky is Belarus, partisanism and children.
      In the final, Vysotsky, having run into punishers, leads them away from the camp of children and women.

      ROOF WAR (1967)
      The second is the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Czechoslovakia. The main character is an Alkash, in a wretched spirit
      is listed in the orchestra, moonlights at funerals. "Artist" - not washed, not shaved for weeks.

      "Kolya" is a Czech film shot by director Jan Sverac in 1996.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 8 May 2020 22: 48 New
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        Thank!!! Is it with Vysotsky or about the Czechs?
        With Vysotsky, the title had something about "old people".
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          1. Kushka
            Kushka 8 May 2020 23: 24 New
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            Not that I watched this film while serving in the Baltic Sea, or in the fall of 1971,
            or in the spring of 1972 in one hole, then I was not there already.
            There was a musician - a funeral, a Russian boy, "Just wait a minute" in
            half-abandoned DC in the Soviet garrison was, the scene with the Soviet
            a soldier, a broken Ural and old Czechs I remember
            now. When I watched it until the 90s, it was another 20 years.
            Thank you for "Belarusfilm". I got it all wrong for a long time.
            The title does not include "old men", but sons, the main character is not Vysotsky-
            songs in the film Vysotsky sings. I looked there and then,
            several days in a row, sometimes alone.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 9 May 2020 00: 16 New
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              I will ask good people.
              Happy Holidays! drinks
              1. Kushka
                Kushka 9 May 2020 00: 18 New
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                Happy Victory Day!
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 9 May 2020 14: 53 New
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                  Consulted with experts. They literally unanimously say that you are confusing something, or even two different films were mixed in memory. Almost 50 years have passed, is it a joke to say!
                  The fact is that the Soviet Army left Czechoslovakia in the early 90s. So, at the beginning of the 70s, there could be no "half-abandoned DK" in the Soviet garrison.
                  So, you see some scenes from this film, maybe you will learn something, but I’m still interested.
                  1. Kushka
                    Kushka 9 May 2020 18: 16 New
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                    Firstly, I want to thank (did not expect, honestly). Secondly,
                    was late - started "Moskvich", took his wife and drove the front-line 100 g.
                    grandfather and father. Grandfather is a sniper, got a bullet in Bulgaria in the face (under
                    nose). Growth 1.90, one palm - my two, born in 1908 Saved him some
                    The facial surgeon god in Gorky said he was the only one in the thousands.
                    The bullet was taken out of the skull, the grandfather was without a mouth in the sky, he heard hard and
                    poorly seen. He lived to be 95 years old, raised my daughter and younger son
                    in the damned 90s, when I was bent for weeks on 4 works.
                    He washed and cooked himself. When completely sick, I have him in my arms
                    I wore the toilet at night. Everlasting memory! Eternal glory! Father
                    in Mariupol in the 41st received a certificate (red) without exams
                    along with the agenda - accelerated Chernovetsky artillery,
                    came to Berlin, then Prague and then the Red Barracks
                    in Tiraspol, deputy battery commander, captain (I was born there). Survived
                    until 89 years old, last year only sat. The wife will bring porridge
                    Calls- Tolya, I want 100 g, fat. I say, dad, what 100 g,
                    what fat? Kefir through a rag - pressure. You say
                    was dyr @ k and remained (and I am 60, 3 sons). 8 years gone.
                    I regret to tears, because dyr @ k was the same, I regretted the glass. Here
                    I took it today. Eternal Glory! Eternal peace! Now a tear
                    wipe, about the movie I’ll tell
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 9 May 2020 18: 50 New
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                      Quote: Kushka
                      Eternal peace!

                      Blessed be the memory of them ...
                  2. Kushka
                    Kushka 9 May 2020 18: 53 New
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                    I served in the Baltic since May 1971. At this time, part of the ships
                    went for repairs, including the flagship cruiser "October Revolution"
                    Sailors of "mechanical" specialties (CU 2) left with ships to the plant.
                    And the "little hands" (I am a signalman -BCH 4) who where - to the underground node in Primorsky,
                    to the headquarters of Kaliningrad and to the Tallinn crew. We sat there for a long time, alone
                    will be taken to the Black Sea Fleet, then others to the Pacific Fleet. There were 5-6 of us on the whole barracks.
                    Idleness full, found a movie booth. I'm a teenager in a village with projectionists
                    spinning. Scroll "Prisoner of the Caucasus" in the club, rewind 15 parts,
                    stick on a motorcycle and in a nearby village, in short a familiar thing. At first
                    found "Belarusfilm". You probably know what it was- Vysotsky
                    in the 70s. We watched it for a week - the impression is stronger than that of "Live
                    and the dead ", so hooked. And then they found this one - our little souls trembled.
                    Although they were jerks, they understood that Prague 1968 was not our business.
                    I don’t remember, it was 16 mm wider, but it seems b / w. Individual scenes
                    remember well. This homeless musician hasn’t been home for weeks (house -
                    Stalin-wide stairs). It appears, but the manager - why the flag is not
                    hung out, I'll tell you who needs it and you will go where you need to. Then brought
                    he thinks about how to feed the boy, he pulled the wine from the cemetery and says:
                    though you don’t understand a damn thing, but I’ll tell you - you are Russian guys
                    good, and let you into the house, so you are on the table with legs. Remember led
                    he’s a boy in a unit, and there are gates for plowing, cars there, from there.
                    And on the wall there is a wolf - Well, wait a minute "- the boy cheered up, drags him there.
                    And then I remember this aunt (maybe the mother is a bum). House type private.
                    He apparently brought the boy to feed, well, the grandmother and growls. And here at the window
                    the Soviet "Ural" got up, the soldier opened the hood and rummaged. Later
                    comes to the house and knocks - water, wash your hands. Boy already
                    a few days among people whose language he does not understand and they
                    him too. I remember his reaction to the Russian language, well, the reaction of the old
                    Czechs too. Let me remind you, it was in the spring of 1972, not later. More
                    I have never heard anything about this movie. Sometimes google
                    but to no avail.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 9 May 2020 18: 56 New
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                      "We will search ..." (c). wink
                      1. Kushka
                        Kushka 9 May 2020 19: 28 New
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                        I watched the video. Sounds like this swerke idea
                        then borrowed ("Well, wait a minute" even inserted)
                        Well, firstly, this is not about Prague 1968, but there it is
                        if not a red thread, but somehow convex.
                        Vicki writes, funny, musical- there
                        it wasn’t funny at all. I do not know why,
                        but I have never seen "Kolya" and have never heard
                        about him, now I learned from you.
                        In my head questions - parts of the USSR entered the spring
                        1968. What was the time? Where were they located?
                        How was it derived? Where did the boy come from? Who
                        made a "dissident" film in 1971? how
                        he ended up in a military unit ??? The military at the "fishermen"
                        exchanged? that is, "left" and got into the hands of the jerks?
                        Well in that courtyard it could be where I
                        further served, the special officer and the political officer were in place.
                        In short A. Semenov 333 fooling around that he had been
                        in the 90s, and then again came back and knew everything in advance.
                        So I - in 1971 I watched "Kolya", which was filmed in 1996.
                        I’m probably still a little capna.
                        Thanks again (I confused you) and again
                        Happy Holiday.
                      2. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 9 May 2020 22: 48 New
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                        Quote: Kushka
                        In my head questions - parts of the USSR entered the spring
                        1968. What was the time? Where were they located?
                        How was it derived?

                        In early September, troops were withdrawn from many cities and towns of Czechoslovakia to specially designated places of deployment. Soviet tanks left Prague on September 11, 1968. On October 16, 1968, an agreement was signed between the governments of the USSR and Czechoslovakia on the conditions for the temporary stay of Soviet troops in Czechoslovakia, according to which part of the Soviet troops remained in Czechoslovakia "in order to ensure the security of the socialist community." On October 17, 1968, a phased withdrawal of part of the troops from Czechoslovakia began, which ended by mid-November. In Czechoslovakia, the Soviet military presence continued until 1991.
                      3. Kushka
                        Kushka 9 May 2020 23: 24 New
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                        We entered on August 21. The contract of October 16 and partial withdrawal.
                        It is clear that at the first stage of family members and children
                        could not be. In "specially designated places
                        deployment "(long-term) probably have already been.
                        In addition, the author is an artist- has the right to "artistic
                        fiction ", go and figure it out now. As you understand, I'm not a movie buff.
                        Still, the greatest excitement in me was when movies
                        two Masters per frame and minimum volume, complete absence
                        multi-minute landscapes, sea views. Supreme acting
                        class, virtuoso operator work. You probably don't know
                        one such movie. In the one I'm talking about, that too was-
                        a minimum of actors, a minimum of nature, only the essence. Without pathos,
                        without propaganda - thoughts about sore, monologues before
                        a child who does not know the language. Why did the author "omit"
                        the bar of monologues about Prague 1968 at the children's level?
                      4. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 9 May 2020 23: 33 New
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                        Quote: Kushka
                        Why did the author "omit"
                        the bar of monologues about Prague 1968 at the children's level?

                        So far, I can’t answer anything intelligible. But my friends answer me. The overwhelming majority, after you rejected Kolya, are skeptical. For instance:
                        "It's enough to match the dates.
                        The contingent of troops, which in the sixty-eighth threw to suppress the Prague Spring, began to withdraw from the country in October of that year.
                        But the main forces that had been in Czechoslovakia since the war remained there until the nineties.
                        When additional troops were withdrawn at sixty-eight, no Soviet child could get lost there, because only officers of the main staff lived in families. They lived in closed towns; the child could not escape anywhere from this town.
                        And if he got lost, all the local police would be looking for him - the Czechs only lacked a scandal with the missing Soviet boy! "
                        "In the early seventies, these events were not possible, nor such a film would never have been released on the screen. They would not even have been able to make such a film!"
                        If you can find out something, if you will, I will write to you in PM. Otherwise, the Moderators will give us a hat, and they will do it right.
                        PS Apparently, we are almost the same age. I served 72-74.
                      5. Kushka
                        Kushka 10 May 2020 00: 02 New
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                        Born 1952, drafted 1971.
                        Do not bother too much, this is so, you yourself see that in Czech
                        the topic went, so I remembered. And so already everything, as Semenova 333.
                        But here's what the film saw in 1972 - exactly, and what "Kolya" did not see
                        never - also for sure.
                        Again, a holiday, at home with my wife, a quarantine of damn - not grandchildren to us,
                        nor are we to them. I have 4 of them and all the boys, grandfather like hot cakes. Garden Garden,
                        spring-only keep up and work more. Sometimes time is 30-40 minutes
                        in the evening - news, mail. In general, there is no time, like Semenov, for a story
                        write fables with fables. In PM I will be glad in any case.
  • Moon
    Moon 8 May 2020 22: 51 New
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    “We will avenge the Russians for Hiroshima!” - so say the Japanese students. A significant part of the current youth of the Land of the Rising Sun does not know that Japanese cities were destroyed not by Russians, but by Americans. In the XNUMXst century, the media can make black white and vice versa. In the West and practically all over the world, maybe only except Russia (and even then active attempts to make Vlasov and Krasnov heroes are being made)

    The author does what he blames others for.
    This famous fake (about the Japanese who do not know who bombed) was launched by Patrushev
    Most young Japanese are convinced that the Soviet Union carried out the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This was stated by Secretary of the Security Council of Russia Nikolai Patrushev in an interview with Izvestia.
    “I recall that the United States is the only country in the world that has used weapons of mass destruction. They dropped nuclear bombs on Japan, and today they have hooked up all the methods of propaganda so that the Japanese as soon as possible forget the tragedy of August 1945. As a result, the majority of young Japanese people believe that the nuclear bombing was carried out either by the Soviet Union or by another state, but not by the United States, ”Patrushev said.

    No mention of such polls was found in foreign sources, but in Russia for the first time this myth was launched, it seems, by the 70-year-old journalist of Komsomolskaya Pravda, who wrote back in his journal in 2009 that “according to one poll, a quarter Hiroshima’s schoolchildren are sure that the Soviet Union dropped bombs on their city ... ” A year later, on the propaganda website “Enemies of the People” it was already stated that half of Japanese schoolchildren believed so. In addition, it was argued that modern Japanese textbooks do not explicitly indicate that the United States dropped atomic bombs in August 1945. Now the publication is not available, but it was saved as a screenshot of the comment. (Can be found on the Internet)
    After publication, this false information was widely distributed among other propaganda resources, “patriotic publics” and traffic exchange systems.
    Samsonov, like many corny repeat this Patrushev fake. They broadcast it further on the air. Pass the fake to others.
    Of course, in school textbooks this information is. Yes, and there could not be, by definition, because the USSR at the time of the fall of the bomb on Hiroshima had not even declared war on Japan. In addition, the museums of Hiroshima and Nagasaki tell in great detail the history of this tragedy, and almost all Japanese students at least once visit them during their studies. In general, school education in Japan is considered one of the best in the world and, apparently, the Japanese 10-grader is significantly more erudite than the Secretary of the Security Council Patrushev.
    Patrushev is the author of the Albright fake about Siberia. And this fake is generally broadcast by many.
    The contribution of the great Russian ally is invaluable: it was the Russian side that for three years endured almost all the pressure from the Wehrmacht

    not well, if the author did not fight everywhere in the USSR, not Soviet citizens, not Soviet people, but only Russians and Russians ... then what can you argue with him, he is the same as others.
    The article needs to change all the terms of Russia in the USSR! And Russian to Soviet.
    For in 1941-45 (until 91) it was the Soviet Union! And it was he, and not Russia, who fought and died Soviet citizens! And they won!
    Disappointed by the author. Not only does it use fakes, it also roughly rubs the victory of the USSR, replacing it with a victory of Russia ....
    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics! Here is the country winner in the Coalition. (Or winner in the Second World War) ...
    And it’s not worth saying that in the West the USSR was called Russia ... We here and now condemn them, and we do it the same way ...
    1. DDT
      DDT 9 May 2020 01: 26 New
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      [quote = Σελήνη] [quote]
      not well, if the author did not fight everywhere in the USSR, not Soviet citizens, not Soviet people, but only Russians and Russians ... then what can you argue with him, he is the same as others.
      The article needs to change all the terms of Russia in the USSR! And Russian to Soviet.
      For in 1941-45 (until 91) it was the Soviet Union! And it was he, and not Russia, who fought and died Soviet citizens! And they won!
      Disappointed by the author. Not only does it use fakes, it also roughly rubs the victory of the USSR, replacing it with a victory of Russia ....
      Union of Soviet Socialist Republics! Here is the country winner in the Coalition. (Or winner in the Second World War) ...
      And it’s not worth saying that in the West the USSR was called Russia ... We condemn them right here and now, but we do it the same way ... [/ quote]
      I support. That's just, rsskim want to eat fish and ... sit down. They don’t understand ... What are they, the Soviet people, who are the Titans. They spread the Nazism, sent Gagarin into space, mastered the virgin lands, etc. Or they are Russian. And this, three, vodka, nashashka. The middle is not given.
  • DDT
    DDT 9 May 2020 01: 31 New
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    You know, guys, I’ll be very frank, or the time has come for the Uruses to realize that you are PART of the Soviet ethnic group, the Titan people who sent Gagarin into space, broke the back of Nazism, raised the virgin lands, rebuilt Tashkent together ... etc. Or you are Russian. Three, Vodka, Natasha. Choose you.
    But when you decide, you are welcome, in the USSR. And for the time being, we ask the rest of the Soviet people to leave us alone. hi
  • NordUral
    NordUral 9 May 2020 14: 44 New
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    That is, it was impossible to rewrite history immediately. Objective reality was in the memory of the overwhelming majority of the planet's population in 1950-1960. In 1970-1980, the situation began to change, but it was still far from a radical turn. The “wrong hero” in the world, a Russian soldier, had to endure for many decades until the old generations left, who saw everything with their own eyes, until they rewrote history books in schools and institutes, until the media completely processed the consciousness of the “world community”.

    So rewrite the Victory of grandfathers and fathers external enemies.
    But they also rewrite and throw mud over the Victory of the USSR with internal enemies, and at the very top, hoping for our bad memory.
    Will not work!
    Do not let lie to both! The truth will triumph both in our country and in the whole world!
    Happy Victory Day, dear forum users!
  • Plowman
    Plowman 9 May 2020 18: 51 New
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    Say thanks to the drunk Yeltsin and his henchmen, who are now deserved and personal. They quarreled with everyone, ruined everything, dispersed all the propagandists and counter-propagandists. And now they live in the West, and here grandmothers cut from our land.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 May 2020 10: 01 New
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    History is not a science, but an interpretation of historical and pseudo-historical facts. Unfortunately, we ourselves have made enough confusion in our history from ancient Russia to the twentieth century.