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The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation. Reconciliation with whom?

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May 8-9, 1945 - Nazism fell, got what it deserved "the millennial Reich", which lasted 12 years. This is truly the greatest victory that was obtained by the blood of millions of people, including 27 million citizens of the Soviet Union.


What date does the United Nations suggest recalling on May 8-9 with its resolution of 2005? Perhaps all together celebrate Victory Day over Nazi Germany and its henchmen from other countries, which are now making victims? No. The UN resolution, which is 15 years old, proposes to consider these days exclusively as "Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation."

The memory of those who died in that war is certainly sacred. But reconciliation ... Who with whom? To put up with those who take to the streets of Kiev, Riga, Tallinn, servants from the battalions of the Waffen-SS? Or, perhaps, to reconcile with the young men who actually deny the results of the Nuremberg trials, arranging their torchlight processions under Nazi slogans and corresponding symbols? Or, rejoice and rush to cuddle with those who, at the annual UN mentioned, vote against a resolution condemning Nazism?

Today they actively continue to impose an ideology of reconciliation with such, so to speak, people. Tomorrow they will adopt a resolution that it is possible to reconcile with everyone, but not with those who honor the memory of Soviet soldiers, since they "represented the barbaric communist regime." Well, and then - what has been pushed all the last time: the establishment of the sign of identity between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

That is why the very attempt to turn Victory Day into a slurred day of "reconciliation" looks like a desire to distort history, dying out its great importance for our country.
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  1. Shooter22
    Shooter22 8 May 2020 09: 07 New
    30
    They would have told my Grandfather about this when he took Berlin in 945th ...
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 8 May 2020 10: 30 New
      -25
      That's it ! Therefore, this is the day of trying consciousness and perception of historical events by people of different age generations, first of all. Young people will never understand and will not be imbued with the time that was prepared for our ancestors. And this is not a condemnation. This is a simple psychophysics of consciousness.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 8 May 2020 11: 56 New
        10
        in June 1933, Schacht met with the head of the British Bank, N. Montague, after which London granted loans to Berlin for a total amount of two billion dollars. https://topwar.ru/155681-kak-amerikanskie-korporacii-podderzhivali-gitlera.html
        1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
          evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 9 May 2020 22: 22 New
          -1
          World backstage (ordinary nonhumans ,,) and the bad people who joined them, and ordinary people, with big wallets, already in 1929/30. They firmly decided to organize WWII after some time.
          As in the case of the PMV, the guys -... decided to earn a lot of money on the job. Well, let the krovushku. Bloody delusional CHAOS they like horror as they love! Just like their ,, spiritual leader, ”is Satan.
          They premeditated routes, addresses and appearances, settlements between, adversaries. Created appropriate structures in Europe, in particular in Switzerland. ,, appointed ,, the main opponents in a future war ... And the work began to boil! A very recognizable blitzkrieg plane is the U-87. Whose engine stood on the prototype of the Natsik? Correctly! British! And which tank will Soviet Russia take as a prototype? Right, british! And where will the young state of the USSR take parachutes for the Air Force? Good America is happy to sell! But nothing that there is no diplomatic relations? No problem! Is this a problem for ,, business people ,, ...
          And who taught, the insidious Japanese, attacks on the naval base, who generously shared the experience of sudden attacks by torpedo bombers? Britannia!
          ... So much information that is IMPOSSIBLE to hide! But ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, (very sensible, and convenient, and since we are good - ,, ufo ,,), especially, are not, are encrypted, in this century. They MAKE to believe in stupidity, nonsense, nonsense. For example, they make their civil servants believe in the undermining of skyscrapers, in the attack by the Pentagon AIRPLANE. Do not believe? Dismiss, ,, without severance pay ,,! Impudent, rude FORCING people to lie to others, to lie to themselves. For them, the concept of conscience is alien. They are different. Not people.
          Just as cockroaches are afraid of the lights turned on, so are they afraid of the TRUTH. They don’t need her! They do not need freedom-loving, competent, honest PEOPLE. They need dull, lustful, cattle-like ,, little people ,, for almost free labor on them, on ,, the masters of the world ,,. Hence the falsification of everything and everything, the evil rejection of the heroic, great, worthy. Others about them, these CREATURES (in Ukrainian sounds good, right?) Will NEVER. Nothing special to be surprised
      2. kit88
        kit88 8 May 2020 13: 44 New
        17
        While the veterans of the front-line soldiers were alive, while the defeated accomplices of fascist Germany in all Europe felt that they owed their life to the Soviet people, there was no talk, no hint of "trying on."
        I passed the MSG to the Soviet Union, and with it the Victory.
        And the winners are known to write the story. So now they are writing, scribbling a new story in four hands, where there is no place for the Soviet people to conquer, but they have been assigned the role of enslaver of Europe.
        1. zenion
          zenion 9 May 2020 19: 59 New
          +1
          The Soviet people have been gone for thirty years. He was replaced by feudalism, which has nothing to do with victory, except that it is in the territory they plundered.
      3. zenion
        zenion 9 May 2020 19: 57 New
        +1
        So you need to come to terms with the fact that imperialism created Hitler to destroy the USSR, not out of spite, but it's just business and nothing personal.
        1. Fuethe
          Fuethe 10 May 2020 20: 31 New
          0
          Well, it was anger, personified, hidden among some, not without it, and yes - business, The main slogan of the present time (and capitalism and its highest form - imperialism) - sorry brother, nothing personal, just business. And you can dress this monster in any clothes - then - in national socialism, now - in liberalism. This moloch needs space, filling which he must certainly begin to expand further, otherwise death is for him. In 41, it did not work out to master the territory; in 90, he did it. For some time, it was enough for him to digest the USSR, but now he needs to grow further, but nowhere to go, he has taken everything that can be taken. And here come the interesting times. Oh, and “it will be fun” As in the eastern saying they wished the enemy to live in an interesting time. So it comes. Nothing personal, just business. For business, we are the source material, feed. He cares about us just as much as he needs us, no more and no less. Everything else is for him and only him. Expansion (territorial - this is both an expansion of the purchasing and raw materials base), and implicit financial - for him it is a matter of life and death, and here he knows no limits, any means are good, any.
      4. gridasov
        gridasov 9 May 2020 20: 18 New
        -1
        It is terrible that the new herd is ready to fight to the death of another herd. Our fathers and grandfathers fought with a visible enemy. But you cannot live only in the past. No one calls to forgive the enemy of his crime. But now you need to clearly and clearly understand that the force and the army are the defenders of the peaceful life of the people who should not take revenge on the children of opponents, if they also want to live in peace and cooperation.
    2. Vend
      Vend 8 May 2020 10: 32 New
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      Europe has long been trying to forget its shame and reconcile, or I would say to equalize our veterans and those who brought sorrow to our land.
      1. Potomac
        Potomac 8 May 2020 10: 45 New
        -32
        Quote: Wend
        Europe has long been trying to forget its shame and reconcile, or I would say to equalize our veterans and those who brought sorrow to our land.

        Well, not all of Europe is a shame. Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. Yes, most of Europe submitted or sided with Nazism, but still, there is Britain, which was the first bone in the throat of the Reich.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 8 May 2020 11: 20 New
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          Is it that Britain that approved the capture of Austria and Czechoslovakia? Not only Germany, but also Poland and Hungary. Snout in the gun. The start date of World War II in Europe is not September 1, 1939. The Austrians seem to remember. And the Czechs had already forgotten when the war began for them. They even offer to put up after the demolition of the monument.
          "The Czech Foreign Ministry invited the Russian side to start negotiations on the settlement of disputes, said Foreign Minister Tomas Petrzycek."
          https://news.mail.ru/politics/41662484/?frommail=1
          It turns out that it was just a "dispute."
          Not by bone they were sponsors.
          1. Courier
            Courier 8 May 2020 11: 51 New
            -36
            Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 8 May 2020 12: 13 New
              10
              Quote: Courier
              These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.

              Well yes!!! Two dictators had a fight. Profitable version. Look for the true causes of world war. Suddenly, lucky.
              Materials are freely available, both about what is shamefully called the "Anschluss" and the "Munich Agreement". And about the "strange" war.
              At the same time, take an interest in what kind of shisha Hitler paid for, say, for Swedish ore. "Opel" to whom belonged .... There are many facts. Of course, this was not an alternative.
              PS I'm not ordinary Britons.
            2. Fuethe
              Fuethe 10 May 2020 20: 41 New
              +1
              It is worth noting that if Hitler decided to attack Czechoslovakia, Germany would inevitably await defeat. As noted by Oleg Budnitsky, the military forces of the Reich were insignificant even in comparison with the army of France alone, which had an agreement on mutual assistance with Czechoslovakia. But there were also England and the Soviet Union, which signed a cross-agreement on mutual assistance with France and Czechoslovakia. Although the Soviets openly declared their support for Czechoslovakia, Poland lay between them and this country, who played their game in that situation and did not intend to provide a corridor for the Red Army. In addition, the position of the USSR was not taken seriously. The statement of the Soviet People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs Maxim Litvinov in the League of Nations on September 21 about the readiness of the USSR to fulfill its obligations under the Franco-Soviet-Czechoslovak pact was ignored. But the problem lay deeper - many European politicians saw a greater threat in Bolshevik Russia than in Nazi Germany.

              Nevertheless, the ideologist of concessions to Hitler on the Sudetenland issue was, first and foremost, Great Britain, whose prime minister at that time was Neville Chamberlain. The British really did not want to fight, and they were ready to go to any advances with the aggressor. This is how the historian Leonid Mlechin describes the attitude to the problem among the British political elite.
              The ambassador of Czechoslovakia to London, the son of the country's first president, Jan Masaryk, bitterly joked that his main task was to explain to the British that Czechoslovakia was a country, not an exotic disease. “There are so few deputies in the House of Commons who know where Czechoslovakia is located,” the diplomat complained. - During a conversation with influential politicians, I showed them on the map our country. One of them thoughtfully remarked: “What a funny form your state has. You might think that in front of you is a big sausage "".
              And here are the well-known words of the Prime Minister of Great Britain addressed to his colleagues: “Think, do we have an excuse to start a war? I think no. This morning I flew over the Thames and with horror imagined that a German bomber could appear in our sky. We have no choice. We will have to allow Germany to occupy the Sudetenland, because we do not have the strength to prevent this. ”

              Speaking on the radio, he spoke in the same spirit: “How terrible it is that we have to dig trenches because of a clash in a country far from us between nations that we know almost nothing about. No matter how we sympathize with a small country, faced with a large and powerful power, under no circumstances can we allow the British Empire to be involved in the war only for this reason. War is a nightmare. ”
              https://www.znak.com/2019-09-30/myunhenskiy_sgovor_1938_goda_pochemu_zapad_reshil_igrat_s_gitlerom_v_umirotvorenie
          2. Courier
            Courier 8 May 2020 11: 51 New
            -31
            Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 8 May 2020 12: 25 New
              +9
              UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation

              Firstly, the UN was still just being formed.
              Secondly, and this is the main thing: now let them reconcile with themselves, or rather, let SWEET with the fact that Germany and its singers CAPITALIZED YOURSELF !!!

              For us it is a GREAT AND LONG-WAITED VICTORY DAY.

              A 1418-day road led to the Reichstag in Berlin and gave the right to lift
              Victory Banner

              и

              God grant, thankful memory to us living ...
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 8 May 2020 15: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Courier
              Britain was the longest at war with the Reich.

              In words. The losses of Britain and the Reich can you name?
            3. strannik1985
              strannik1985 8 May 2020 16: 03 New
              +7
              Britain was the longest at war with the Reich.

              Until May 10, 1940, she didn’t fight, but “fought”. Like France.
            4. victor50
              victor50 8 May 2020 20: 23 New
              +4
              Quote: Courier
              Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda

              Parrot? Well, to her Guinness Book of Records! Is it possible to compare how she fought 5,5 years, or are we almost 4? No one belittles the merits and determination of the British and their allies since September 39th. Just do not put this record at the forefront. It would be better if she fought less, but more decisively in 1939 and until June 1940, together with the disgrace - France (I’m not about those who resisted even after the surrender, but about the state), then, perhaps, I would not have to sigh with relief in June 22, 1941 .
              1. Procyon lotor
                Procyon lotor 9 May 2020 23: 29 New
                -2
                Well, actually it’s not that the USSR fought, but on the back, supplied Germany and occupied Poland together.
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 8 May 2020 12: 53 New
        +7
        If this is understood as a day of remembrance of OUR VICTORY and the reconciliation of Europe with its defeat, then everything is correct.
        But only this way and not otherwise.
        1. Kisa
          Kisa 8 May 2020 17: 42 New
          -2
          so who argues that ... it is sad when this is the only thing left to be proud of. evened these Germans and they again rule Europe
          1. victor50
            victor50 8 May 2020 20: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: kitty
            these germans

            NOT THESE won, and we are not the current ...
      3. gridasov
        gridasov 9 May 2020 20: 23 New
        0
        Do not confuse simple but opposite concepts. the current generation should not live in a consciousness of revenge. History should be remembered as a lesson, not a reason for enmity. And if monuments to our heroes are destroyed in the Czech Republic, this does not mean that the whole nation thinks and supports such actions. So you need to find solutions in the spirit of what the Russian defense minister did.
    3. silverura
      silverura 8 May 2020 13: 49 New
      +2
      They would have told my Grandfather when he took Berlin in 1945 ...
      Your grandfather would know that the USSR would be a pro-boot and appear-free Russia, the rest would not want to listen.
  2. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 8 May 2020 09: 07 New
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    Brad!
    Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....
    1. Wolverine
      Wolverine 8 May 2020 09: 15 New
      +7
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Brad!
      Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....


      Maybe it's time to remind the UN of the Hague Tribunal? Lavrov swallows everything again?
      1. Million
        Million 8 May 2020 11: 11 New
        +6
        He just does what he swallows ...
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 9 May 2020 20: 28 New
          -3
          Lavrov is a great and wise diplomat. The basis of the work of the state leader is endurance and thoughtfulness of actions, and not spontaneous and emotional. You need to understand that any action causes an algorithm for subsequent events. Therefore, it’s better to skip the answer to many nonsense of non-smart people than to get involved in provocation
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 May 2020 14: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Wolverine
        Maybe it's time to remind the UN of the Hague Tribunal? Lavrov swallows everything again?

        How does the demolition of a monument intersect with the Hague Tribunal?
        1. Wolverine
          Wolverine 10 May 2020 09: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Quote: Wolverine
          Maybe it's time to remind the UN of the Hague Tribunal? Lavrov swallows everything again?

          How does the demolition of a monument intersect with the Hague Tribunal?


          The revival of fascism around the world begins, turning history, monuments, torchlight processions, attacks on foreigners and so on, and the UN supports it. The voice of Nebenzi in this organization sounds like an echo, but no one hears.
    2. Skay
      Skay 8 May 2020 10: 00 New
      +1
      after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

      Europe is pathologically irreconcilable.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 10: 59 New
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        So we actually fought against a united Europe. Even neutral Swedes supplied Germany with strategic materials.
        1. edmed
          edmed 8 May 2020 12: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Even neutral Swedes

          belay Which, after the Soviet-Finnish war, served in the "good workers", "volunteers", what to take from them lol
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 56 New
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            All countries of Western Europe, except Great Britain and most of Eastern, were marked by the presence of their citizens in SS divisions. Or their national armies were allies of Germany. And their industry worked for Hitler. We fought not with Germany, but with the European Union, whoever said anything there.
            1. edmed
              edmed 8 May 2020 13: 21 New
              -1
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov.

              I strongly disagree on issues of dialogue with you, but here I fully support, by the way about VB, there is also not so simple, some islands of VB were under the protectorate of the 3rd Reich. They resisted, no, they took on-ur, the "burden" of the "white" man. Here is a story with geography.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 13: 24 New
                +8
                And the French resisted. Some. But there were more Frenchmen in the SS Charlemagne division than participated in the Resistance Movement. There were probably more white emigrants than French citizens in it.
                1. edmed
                  edmed 8 May 2020 14: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  AS Ivanov. (Andrey) Today, 13:24
                  +1
                  And the French resisted. Some. But there were more Frenchmen in the SS Charlemagne division than participated in the Resistance Movement. There were probably more white emigrants than French citizens in it.

                  But how did it happen?
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 May 2020 16: 50 New
                  -2
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  And the French resisted. Some. But there were more Frenchmen in the SS Charlemagne division than participated in the Resistance Movement. There were probably more white emigrants than French citizens in it.

                  White emigrants, Jews, Communists and ultra-right French Catholics who did not like the first, second and third - but more Germans than fellow citizens)).
                3. tatarin1972
                  tatarin1972 10 May 2020 08: 42 New
                  0
                  Well, yes, they "resisted", spitting after the Germans patrol was considered a "feat".
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 8 May 2020 23: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              All countries of Western Europe, except Great Britain and most of Eastern, were marked by the presence of their citizens in SS divisions.

              come on...
              Americans and British in the service in the Wehrmacht and the SS
              https://topwar.ru/89434-amerikancy-i-anglichane-na-sluzhbe-v-vermahte-i-ss.html
              British Volunteer Corps
    3. avg
      avg 8 May 2020 11: 13 New
      0
      Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

      Did the UN Secretary General express his support? Maybe you confused the NATO Secretary General?
  3. Hagen
    Hagen 8 May 2020 09: 08 New
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    The withdrawal of the United Nations from the United States to some kind of Cyprus, Malta has long matured ... The United States has long subordinated the UN bureaucracy to its influence
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 09: 29 New
      -3
      Quote: Hagen
      The withdrawal of the United Nations from the United States to some kind of Cyprus, Malta has long matured ... The United States has long subordinated the UN bureaucracy to its influence

      And you can create a UN Eastern and Western hemisphere ...
      Are 300 million Americans trying to make the world dance to the saxophone? A parody of ...
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 8 May 2020 09: 57 New
        14
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And you can create a UN Eastern and Western hemisphere ...

        At one time, the League of Nations died. Why cannot such a fate befall the UN? Everything is in development ... Today it is clear that it actually exists as a platform for negotiations, but is no longer able to form international relations. Somehow, slowly comes to a standstill .... What it can degenerate while there are no representations. But it is clear that the "living corpse" is not the best assistant to the world.
    2. avg
      avg 8 May 2020 11: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Hagen
      The withdrawal of the United Nations from the United States to some kind of Cyprus, Malta has long matured ... The United States has long subordinated the UN bureaucracy to its influence

      At a minimum, it’s better to buy some island, give it the status of “UN Territory” and place international organizations there.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 8 May 2020 11: 29 New
        0
        Quote: avg
        buy some island, give it status - "UN Territory"

        I think this is difficult. The state is the highest form of social organization of people's lives. To organize a new state for the sake of one organization is not reasonable.
        1. avg
          avg 8 May 2020 11: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Hagen
          I think this is difficult. The state is the highest form of social organization of people's lives.

          There is no need to invent anything new. In international law there is a concept - international territory.
          To organize a new state for the sake of one organization is not reasonable.

          I am not talking about the state, I am not talking about one organization. I am talking about the deployment of international organizations.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 8 May 2020 12: 37 New
            0
            Quote: avg
            I am not talking about the state, I am not talking about one organization.

            Let them first decide to leave FD Roosevelt Street, then they will figure out how to organize.
  4. Svetlana
    Svetlana 8 May 2020 09: 09 New
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    You are proposing to discuss that resolution neither by citing a specific or even a single quote from this resolution. It is, as it were, not so much, more than 99,999% of people (us) did not know this thing as a keepsake.

    They didn’t read it, but we condemn it ... right? But if the resolution is adopted, then Russia also supported it.

    In anticipation of the Great Victory, you appeal to emotions against the UN, despite the fact that Russia is one of its most important members.
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  5. rocket757
    rocket757 8 May 2020 09: 10 New
    +9
    That is why the very attempt to turn Victory Day into a slurred day of "reconciliation" looks like a desire to distort history, to dying out its great significance for our country.

    We must and will celebrate the VICTORY !!! We don’t have to put up with someone, they were all defeated and there’s nothing in vain \ kat \ sku \ pour now !!!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 8 May 2020 09: 23 New
      11
      Quote: rocket757

      We must and will celebrate the VICTORY!

      It is right. soldier

      Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz sent a message to his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany, the press service of the Israeli Foreign Ministry said.
      "The people and government of Israel will always remember the contribution of the Red Army and the peoples of the USSR to the defeat of the inhuman Nazi regime and their role in the liberation of the death camps in Europe," the message says. "We also remember the gigantic sacrifices that were made in the name of the Victory."
      The message also contains personal thanks to Katz of the Red Army, who liberated the death camp Auschwitz (Auschwitz) -Birkenau, in which his mother, Malka Katz, was located. “The feat of the thousands of veterans of the Red Army who fought along with their comrades in World War II and currently live in Israel will forever remain in our hearts,” said Israel Katz.




      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 May 2020 09: 48 New
        +2
        Not that there is a friend who always assents you!
        Not the one who has the courage to tell you the whole truth!
        Many try to circumvent, forget, a simple but eternal truth .... what follows then, it is impossible to explain to someone, they themselves will find out, often too late!
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 8 May 2020 11: 10 New
        11
        With all my complicated attitude towards the State of Israel, I have great respect for you because we celebrate May 9 Victory Day only in Russia, Israel and Belarus. Only! We all fought in their own way with fascism for the Victory. It is no coincidence that the recollections of the partisan “Tolik” came across, you know him as Yitzhak Arad (Rudnitsky is his surname in our places). He drove his medal "Partisan of the Great Patriotic War" across all borders, reaching Palestine.
        1. Avior
          Avior 8 May 2020 13: 18 New
          -1
          Victory in Europe Day (Israel) is the national day of remembrance of the Israelites, which is celebrated annually on May 9 to mark the victory over the Nazis and the end of World War II in Europe.

          Victory Day in Europe was created by the Israeli Knesset on July 26, 2017 as part of the Victory Day Act in Europe. According to the law, Victory on Europe Day is held once a year, on May 9, to mark the official recognition by Nazi Germany of unconditional surrender from the Allied forces in World War II. "

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_in_Europe_Day_(Israel)
          Sorry, machine translation, slightly clumsy
          and compare with
          Victory Day over Nazism in the Second World War (Ukrainian. Day overtake Nazism at the other svіtіvі vіyіnі) - a state holiday and a day off in Ukraine, which is celebrated on May 9

          1. Alexga
            Alexga 8 May 2020 13: 34 New
            +4
            But here we have Victory Day - a celebration of the victory of the Red Army and the Soviet people over Nazi Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.
            1. Avior
              Avior 8 May 2020 14: 05 New
              -2
              Where do you have it?
              If in Russia, then the official name is Victory Day.
              In most post-Soviet countries, also, without specification, on May 9.
              Victory Day is celebrated and is a day off almost throughout the CIS: in Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, as well as Georgia

              in Ukraine
              Victory Day over Nazism in World War II
              also May 9
              Everywhere an official holiday is a day off.

              in Israel
              Victory Day for Nazi Germany is the official name.
              Official holiday by law of 2017
              Task 1. The purpose of this law is to designate a day to mark the victory of the Allies over Nazi Germany and mark it
              .

              https://fs.knesset.gov.il/20/law/20_lsr_390429.pdf
              also May 9th.
              not a day off
              In the USA, England and Europe
              Victory Day in Europe (VE Day, or Victory in Europe Day) - a holiday during which the United States, Britain and most countries of Western Europe celebrate the day of the surrender of Germany and, accordingly, the end of World War II in Europe. It was officially celebrated only once - on May 8, 1945.

              May 8th, not a day off.
              Just do not quite understand why you only identified three countries?
              hi
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  6. Alex66
    Alex66 8 May 2020 09: 10 New
    +5
    What a reconciliation, we can only control ourselves when dealing with the descendants of sadists and savages. But we cannot set the brains of the whole world, we need to save our own, and the teaching of history is allotted to this, not only disassembling the course of the war, but also disassembling its origins, explaining to children who brought Hitler to power, who financed him, what agreements were concluded before the war who were allies of Hitler. That there was not only Norman Neman, but also the SS Charlemagne division, and there were many of their minions.
  7. Shuttle
    Shuttle 8 May 2020 09: 13 New
    +7
    A real reconciliation with the Germans, however strange it may seem, was not officially announced by the Soviet leadership on February 23, 1942 in honor of the 24th anniversary of the Red Army.


    So, the Soviet people did not have any hatred for the Germans and other peoples as peoples. Yes, the task was to destroy the invaders, occupiers in their own den. But the task of annihilating peoples has never been set. Yes, and could not be delivered. Because it was a state of workers. So where would any reconciliation come from now? Who really and with whom has not been reconciled to this day?
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 8 May 2020 09: 36 New
      +8
      There was hatred and it was justified. not Hitler hanged and killed people in concentration camps, not Hitler went to the USSR to fight with subhumans, not Hitler mocked prisoners of war and civilians, as did the Hungarians in Voronezh. They (most) believed in all this, they threw up their hands in hysteria, they bought slaves from the USSR for themselves and used them on their plots, they fed their children gifts from the Eastern Front when the children in Leningrad were starving to death.
      Passing through the burned villages and cities, seeing the atrocities of the Germans and their allies, the soldiers felt hatred, filled with it, and drove the “Aryans” and the rest of the EU from their land.
      We did not reconcile and did not forgive those cattle, and there were few of them left, and with the current, following the crusaders, Napoleon and Hitler, we still have to put up early, if they climb, they will rake and we will make peace somewhere in Paris.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 8 May 2020 09: 42 New
      10
      I did not reconcile. Two grandfathers died in 1942. These .... are currently repeating what happened in the early 30s, everyone wants to "democratize" Russia. They were enemies and will remain forever.
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 8 May 2020 10: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Shuttle
      So where would any reconciliation come from now? Who really and with whom has not been reconciled to this day?

      Almost a philosophy: from "Hitlers come and go ..." follows, alas, and "Hitlers go and come ...".
      You need to be prepared for this.
  8. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 8 May 2020 09: 13 New
    10
    And that same slurred day of reconciliation instead of the Great October holiday? am
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 8 May 2020 09: 38 New
      -21
      November 4 is really a holiday of reconciliation, when all of Russia, spitting on disagreements, reconciled to the personal and went to the common enemy. But November 7 is the day of betrayal, the day of separation, the day of the beginning of the civil war of everyone with everyone.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 10: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        November 7 is a day of betrayal, a day of separation, the day of the beginning of the civil war of everyone with everyone.

        Learn the story before writing such nonsense. If you don’t know something, then it’s better not to write anything, you’ll be a smart guy.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 10: 40 New
          -10
          And you have some advice: do not learn history from Soviet textbooks, there are a lot of things distorted. The winner writes the story.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 11: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And you have some advice: do not learn history from Soviet textbooks, there are a lot of things distorted. The winner writes the story.

            Read the source and you will see who the majority of the people of Russia were with.
          2. victor50
            victor50 8 May 2020 20: 35 New
            0
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And you have some advice: do not learn history from Soviet textbooks, there are a lot of things distorted. The winner writes the story.

            And you have some advice: do not learn history from Russian textbooks. There are many things distorted. And you regularly add, starving in the USSR. The winner writes the story. In this case ... tell me who? lol
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 May 2020 16: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        November 4 is really a holiday of reconciliation, when all of Russia, spitting on disagreements, reconciled to the personal and went to the common enemy. But November 7 is the day of betrayal, the day of separation, the day of the beginning of the civil war of everyone with everyone.

        November 7 is the beginning of the granting of equal rights to all residents of the Russian Empire, when our great-grandfathers with arms in their hands forced the "hereditary elite" to consider themselves human beings.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 09: 57 New
      -7
      Not everyone accepted the red ideas. November 7 is a holiday of separation.
      1. iouris
        iouris 8 May 2020 10: 41 New
        +7
        Especially for you: watch the video about the parade that took place in the city of Pskov on 22.05.1943 of those who "did not accept". Many of them were hanged in May 1945.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 10: 51 New
          -8
          Most of those who did not accept, died the death of the brave, and did not fall for ideas — for the Motherland. And the same communist Vlasov, who accepted, fought in the civilian side of the Reds, went to the service of Hitler voluntarily and with a song. The entire top of the ROA consisted of those who “accepted”. Denikin refused to cooperate with Hitler flatly.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 11: 15 New
            10
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Most of those who did not accept, died the death of the brave, and did not fall for ideas — for the Motherland. And the same communist Vlasov, who accepted, fought in the civilian side of the Reds, went to the service of Hitler voluntarily and with a song. The entire top of the ROA consisted of those who “accepted”. Denikin refused to cooperate with Hitler flatly.

            I’ll tell you a secret, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and even your idol Putin once wore school tickets. In your opinion, can they be called communists? In my opinion, they can be called, at best, opportunists, and there have been enough of them at all times, anywhere.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 11: 23 New
              -4
              They were Communists, and high-ranking ones. Party elite. Okromya Putin, he was a petty party in the party. There are simply patriots, but there are scum. Regardless of ideology. The communist went to Hitler to serve, and the former fist, who did not have any sympathy for the Soviet regime, came with a grenade under the tanks. Why is that? One of them loved his homeland.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 14: 02 New
                +3
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                They were Communists, and high-ranking ones. Party elite. Okromya Putin, he was a petty party in the party. There are simply patriots, but there are scum. Regardless of ideology. The communist went to Hitler to serve, and the former fist, who did not have any sympathy for the Soviet regime, came with a grenade under the tanks. Why is that? One of them loved his homeland.

                They were not communists, they were enemies. And you can name yourself as you like.
          2. iouris
            iouris 8 May 2020 12: 36 New
            +7
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            the same communist Vlasov

            Stop talking nonsense! (If you do not understand the hints.) Denikin did not participate in the defeat of the Hitler Reich. He was defeated by the state, the USSR, the people led by the Communists. Under the red banner with the hammer and sickle, and not under the flag of the ROA, as in that parade.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 49 New
              +1
              Denikin, hating the Soviet regime, did not go to betray his homeland. Although offered repeatedly. The communist comrade Vlasov voluntarily offered his services to Hitler. A communist does not mean a patriot, and there are many examples of this.
              1. victor50
                victor50 8 May 2020 20: 46 New
                +2
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Denikin, hating the Soviet regime, did not go to betray his homeland. Although offered repeatedly. Communist comrade Vlasov volunteered

                General Krasnov voluntarily offered his services to Hitler, and Komsomol member Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was silent during interrogations. What are you trying to prove with your only example ?! Or were the facts you cited overwhelming? The Communists betrayed, and the fists and White Guards rushed under tanks with grenades? No matter how you like it, the rule was still the opposite. And not only communists, of course. But not the notion - “I want to go into battle as a communist”. Defended, of course, homeland. And it was the Soviet Union. Whatever you come up with about this.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 11: 20 New
        0
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Not everyone accepted the red ideas. November 7 is a holiday of separation.

        Not everything, on the Kulikovo field, in the Battle of Poltava and many others where they went out to fight for Russia (Russia), some who spoke on the side of the enemies, these are the same days of "separation"?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 11: 42 New
          0
          There are patriots and there are traitors. You confuse Civil, where each side fought for its truth, where traitors, as such, were not on both sides (there were, of course, those who ran across to the other side, but their language does not turn into traitors) and the war with an external enemy, where everyone He who has sided with the enemy is a traitor.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 13: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            There are patriots and there are traitors. You confuse Civil, where each side fought for its truth, where traitors, as such, were not on both sides (there were, of course, those who ran across to the other side, but their language does not turn into traitors) and the war with an external enemy, where everyone He who has sided with the enemy is a traitor.

            Hetman Mazepa had the same “own truth” and his actions were no different from the actions of General Krasnov (from independence and serving the enemy). The Ukrainian fascists Mazepa has the same hero and patriot as Bandera.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 14: 00 New
              +2
              Ukraine has its own atmosphere. From my point of view, Krasnov is a traitor, twice a traitor. Bandera was not our citizen - this is the enemy. Hetman Mazepa was in Russian service, therefore he is a traitor. The whites did not swear allegiance to the Bolsheviks; they saw a different future for Russia, therefore they cannot be called traitors.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 14: 04 New
                +2
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                The whites did not swear allegiance to the Bolsheviks; they saw a different future for Russia, therefore they cannot be called traitors.

                I have never called white traitors.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 14: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  The whites did not swear allegiance to the Bolsheviks; they saw a different future for Russia, therefore they cannot be called traitors.

                  I have never called white traitors.

                  Probably can’t be called traitors of the Russian princes, who called the Polovtsy to the Russian land, it’s also difficult to call the traitors representatives of the white movement who called the interventionists on Russian land, right?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 14: 33 New
                    -3
                    In what category do you classify Alexander Nevsky? Which holy noble prince? To accomplices to the invaders in the form of the Horde?
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 8 May 2020 15: 23 New
                      +3
                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      In what category do you classify Alexander Nevsky? Which holy noble prince? To accomplices to the invaders in the form of the Horde?

                      The church titles of anyone, as you already understood, do not impress me. It is very difficult to answer shortly. The role of the horde was much more complicated than the role of simply "invaders." The head of the Horde had the title "king" (in Russian pronunciation), the same title had the head of the Byzantine Empire and the head of the Roman Empire (in simple terms). At that time, Russia was one of the uluses (administrative units) of the Golden Horde (part of the Horde). Among the Russian princes there was constant rivalry for the "great table", i.e. for the right to represent Russian lands in the Horde. Any attack on Russia from outside was considered an attack on the Horde (simplified), because the Horde gave the Grand Duke (the one who "sat on the great table") troops, if necessary. In the same way, the Horde gave troops, in case of rebellions against the Horde (and, therefore, against the Grand Duke), the Grand Duke and the Grand Duke suppressed the rebels (this was all better than the Horde would suppress). Those. Alexander Nevsky acted “in his own right”, fought against an external enemy and was the defender of the tsar (not forgetting his interests). Something like this, but it's all very much simplified.
  9. iouris
    iouris 8 May 2020 09: 14 New
    +5
    With collaborators, Vlasovites and Bandera.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 May 2020 10: 21 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      With collaborators, Vlasovites and Bandera.
      This is the commandant of Auschwitz Höss

      And these are the "non-brothers" guards of the socialist camp
  10. for
    for 8 May 2020 09: 18 New
    -14
    True, why is this holiday, so we have long been reconciled.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 8 May 2020 09: 40 New
      11
      You may have reconciled, I do not. For me, the West has been, is and will be the enemy. They follow the same path that they have walked for a thousand years, since the time of the Crusaders: everyone is trying to "democratize" us and each time raking and hating us.
      1. for
        for 8 May 2020 10: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        You may have reconciled, I do not.

        But I’m not writing to myself, the perpetrators were punished at the Nuremberg trials, they created the GDR and were friends with her (at school they corresponded with schoolchildren, exchanged ties, badges, postcards, etc.) As a system, they are enemies and we now have capitalism, even though We are not friends, but we conduct business together. We must remember, not vindictively, remember our grandmothers, mothers who fed prisoners. Russian is not inherent in vindictiveness.
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 8 May 2020 12: 15 New
          +4
          The West, as it was a stronghold of militarism and fascism, has remained so; reconciliation is possible with those who regret those who are ashamed and not those who continue.
          1. for
            for 8 May 2020 14: 01 New
            -2
            Quote: Incvizitor
            The West as a stronghold of militarism and fascism

            The family has its black sheep, do not we have such? We cooperate with our regular partners, no matter what. In the USSR, there was more hostility towards us anyway somehow smoothing out our relations.
            1. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 8 May 2020 15: 01 New
              +2
              We did not create Hitler from Erdogan; we did not sponsor his party; these same Hitlers nurtured and, in fact, created fascist Germany, as time passes, they start supporting terrorists and scumbags around the world, they don’t have to go far to try to turn the same “Ukraine” into Russia the semblance of “Hitlerite Germany”, but it has no possibilities for war.
              1. for
                for 8 May 2020 17: 04 New
                -2
                Quote: Incvizitor
                We did not create Hitler from Erdogan

                We started selling weapons, the invasion of Syria and Libya, nothing reminds.
                1. Dart
                  Dart 9 May 2020 11: 51 New
                  -1
                  why do you need such a crap that you write such a flag ... hang up Fashkomovsky right away ..
                  1. for
                    for 9 May 2020 13: 59 New
                    -1
                    You are the avenger hero, how many fascists - Bendera destroyed. You’re scribbling here not our gadgets, the car is not Moskvich standing at the entrance. And the flag I served under it!
                    1. Dart
                      Dart 9 May 2020 22: 38 New
                      0
                      yes. not Moskvich, I’m writing from a computer, served in the SA ... but I don’t write about my country as disgusting as you ..
                      and where does the heroism, vengeance and fascists ... everything has become entangled ... you wrote above that you are almost ready to gum with them, you are going to forgive ... ugh!
                      1. for
                        for 9 May 2020 22: 55 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Dart
                        such nasty things as you, I do not write about my country.

                        Authorities have been cooperating With Germany since the age of 45 they helped to restore, and I write nasty things. It is disgusting to write about hatred towards them and at the same time to buy and use their goods. (and do not they are made with us or in China)
                      2. Dart
                        Dart 9 May 2020 22: 58 New
                        0
                        cheap demagoguery ..
                      3. for
                        for 9 May 2020 23: 03 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart
                        cheap demagoguery ..

                        No worse than cheap "patriotism"
                      4. Dart
                        Dart 9 May 2020 23: 03 New
                        +1
                        worse than compromise, only betrayal .. you only have one step ...
                      5. for
                        for 9 May 2020 23: 16 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart
                        you have one little step left ...

                        You made it in the 90s.
                      6. Dart
                        Dart 9 May 2020 23: 30 New
                        +1
                        along the way, there’s nothing more to tell you ... you attribute to me that you yourself confirm every post with your own writings ... Kolya-Urengoy.
                      7. for
                        for 9 May 2020 23: 54 New
                        -1

                        Here is your essence. I have a neighbor who is the same patriot to the marrow of the bones; they put me for a bribe. And what else can you write, You won’t prove to the Two-Faced Anuses, if only you would scream slogans.
                      8. Dart
                        Dart 10 May 2020 00: 32 New
                        +1
                        nda ... but in fact, that you are a compromiser and almost a traitor, what do you say ... except insults and pictures from the demotivator, Kolya ...
                        -And in response, all the same demagogy and calls for mercy ....
                        I won’t fall to your methods.
                      9. for
                        for 10 May 2020 00: 48 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart
                        I won’t fall to your methods.

                        So you went down from the first comment.
      2. for
        for 9 May 2020 22: 59 New
        -1
        Are you not one of them?
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 8 May 2020 09: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: for
    True, why is this holiday, so we have long been reconciled.

    May 9th, Moscow time and 8th Berlin, is the day of the final surrender of Nazi Germany. This is the day the new Germany began.
    1. zoland
      zoland 8 May 2020 11: 17 New
      -2
      What's the difference with Moscow and Berlin
      24 hours?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 May 2020 10: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: for
    True, why is this holiday, so we have long been reconciled.

    We did not try on, it was the authorities reconciled.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 8 May 2020 09: 19 New
    +3
    The UN knows the authority in the world, lower than that of a grandmother, a thrush, from a neighboring yard. Iraq, Yugoslavia, Syria - confirmation of this. And do not tell them to us.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 8 May 2020 16: 23 New
      0
      Tell us how they can live. Article 15 paragraph 4 of the Constitution
  • Amateur
    Amateur 8 May 2020 09: 23 New
    10
    May 9 Victory Day is celebrated as a holiday in Russia, Israel and several CIS countries. But fellahu from Libya or Yemen, on whose heads bombs are being thrown every day, II MV "to the bulb." In Latin America, hardly anyone remembers who fought with whom and who won.
    May 9th is OUR holiday.
    But the “Battle of El Alamein” or the victory in the “football war” between El Salvador and Honduras in 1969 let the respective peoples remember.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 May 2020 10: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      May 9th is OUR holiday.

      That's exactly OUR holiday, and the rest only helped us. So said our 100 year old veteran Jacob.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 8 May 2020 09: 27 New
    -9
    This is the victory of the USSR and allies over the second EU under the leadership of Hitler.
    It is time to remove from the history the very mention of WW2, it was not there, it was a series of wars, for us there are two: the Great Patriotic War and the war with Japan.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 8 May 2020 09: 28 New
    +5
    First they rewrite history, and then they rewrite property.
    In the original, the statement does not quite sound that way, but it is appropriate here. hi
  • To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 8 May 2020 09: 32 New
    +9
    Reconcile and forget the gas stoves, the villages and people burned alive .. the ruined cities and broken lives .... Forget that the Soviet soldier destroyed fascism and raised the Victory Banner over Restag .. He will reconcile and go about those who rewrite history and from the conquerors do culprits ..
    Reconciled - it means waiting again in the future campaign to the east and again the same thing - gas stoves. Burnt cities and villages ...
    The philosophy of war and revanchism is well shown in Shakhnazarov’s film “The White Tiger.” Spring 1945. After the surrender of Germany, Fedotov, already in the rank of colonel, tries to convince Naydenov that the war is over, but he does not agree. Until the White Tiger is destroyed, the war will not end, ”Naydenov is convinced,“ he is ready to wait twenty years, fifty, a hundred, but he will certainly appear again and strike. ”Colonel Fedotov walks away to his car and, turning around, sees only a small haze in the tank’s place ...

    In the final scene of a dinner in a dark office, Adolf Hitler makes excuses to a mysterious stranger about the war:

    “But we just found the courage to realize what Europe dreamed about! ... Didn’t we fulfill the hidden dream of every European citizen? They always did not like the Jews! All their life they were afraid of this gloomy, gloomy country in the East ... I said: just let us solve these two problems, solve them once and for all ... Humanity has become what it is, thanks to the struggle! Fighting is a natural, mundane affair. She goes always and everywhere. The struggle has no beginning or end. Fighting is life itself. War is the starting point ”(from Wikipedia) ..
    "White Tiger" as a symbol of revenge and war is not destroyed. He hid for a while in the fog of the swamp and is always ready again and again to appear and bring death ..
    1. BIABIA
      BIABIA 8 May 2020 10: 51 New
      +4
      "White Tiger" is an interesting film.
      And about reconciliation ...
      They would have told my grandfathers about this, which went through the whole war from and to (infantry, artillery). I think at first they would not understand what it was all about, and then run the guys while they are alive ...
      ps
      - Grandfather, did you kill people in the war?
      - There are no people, he killed the fascists ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 May 2020 09: 33 New
    +6
    With those who climbed on us in 1941, with those who are now barking at our country, erecting monuments to Bandera geeks, Vlasovites, white Cossacks who have sniffed with the Nazis, smashing monuments to Soviet soldiers, we have no reconciliation.
  • Avior
    Avior 8 May 2020 09: 37 New
    +1
    In my opinion, the article is only misleading.
    . On November 24, 2004, the UN General Assembly, by its resolution No. A / RES / 59/26, proclaimed May 8 and 9 as the Days of remembrance and reconciliation.

    Recognizing that Member States can have their Victory, Liberation, and Celebration Days, the UN invited all Member States, organizations of the United Nations system, non-governmental organizations and individuals to annually celebrate one of these days or both of these as a tribute to all to the victims of World War II

    https://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/1879/
    It seems everything is clear, Victory Day is a separate holiday.
    The delegation of the Russian Federation supported this resolution
    1. thinker
      thinker 8 May 2020 10: 13 New
      +1
      And calend.ru is misleading - Resolution adopted by the General Assembly November 22 2004 years
      https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=ru/A/RES/59/26
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 May 2020 10: 20 New
        -1
        I gave a link to the resolution below.
        I don’t see that this changes in essence
    2. DMoroz
      DMoroz 8 May 2020 12: 17 New
      +1
      The delegation of the Russian Federation supported this resolution


      not only supported but was also one of the initiators
      (RIA Novosti 2004)

      NEW YORK, Nov 22 - RIA Novosti, Andrey Loshchilin. The days of memory and reconciliation were announced on May 8 and 9 by the UN General Assembly.

      The resolution, adopted on Monday by consensus on the initiative of Russia and other CIS countries, recalls that the victory over fascism, the 60th anniversary of which will be celebrated in 2005, created the conditions for the establishment of the United Nations.

      In commemoration of this date, the General Assembly proclaimed May 8 and 9 as the Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation, which will be celebrated. annually, and also decided to hold a special solemn meeting of the GA on May 9, 2005 in memory of the victims made during the war.

      The resolution calls on the states of the world to join forces in the fight against new challenges and threats with the central role of the UN and to resolve all disputes exclusively by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter of the Organization.
      https://ria.ru/20041122/740371.html
      This has been observed annually since 2005 and only now someone in 15 years has decided to remember this ...
  • Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 8 May 2020 09: 43 New
    10
    The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation.

    completely stunned? !!! am
    it is they swat offer to be reconciled with these? !!!!!

    or with these?

    maybe with these? !!!

    I want to quote Lavrov
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 May 2020 09: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Barmaleyka
      it is they swat offer to reconcile with these? !!

      Or maybe they forgot this?
  • Pereira
    Pereira 8 May 2020 09: 49 New
    +3
    Is there a text of the resolution itself? I could not find. Drop someone link.
    What I came across does not contain a word about reconciliation with war criminals.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 May 2020 09: 57 New
      +1
      https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FRES%2F59%2F26&Language=R&DeviceType=Mobile
      Text in UN languages ​​on the UN website
      https://daccess-ods.un.org/TMP/6944159.86537933.html
      In Russian. PDF file
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 8 May 2020 11: 05 New
        +2
        Sergey, thanks.
        A good article should begin with this text.
        But in fact it is about the memory of the victims.
        But if anyone wants to make a victim of the Austrian artist, brought to suicide by the bloody tyrant Stalin, then the UN has nothing to do with it. This is a matter of conscience.
        And the one who writes the executioners as victims is acting contrary to the formal text of the resolution.
        As for trying, I am ready to reconcile with today's Germans, but not with their authorities. The authorities are not going to come to terms with me. Again, contrary to the UN resolution.
        A separate topic is that the descendants of the victims and the descendants of the executioners understand the term trying on differently. Therefore, it will not be in the foreseeable future.
        You need to understand this. But there is no hysteria.
        In the end, we won this.
        Therefore, we will celebrate the Victory, and they will be sad and reconciled.
        But again, the UN resolution did not call for this.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 May 2020 09: 49 New
    +4
    Reconciled with fascism ??? It’s not at any gates. Fascism needs only to be destroyed and squeezed out with a hot iron.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 8 May 2020 09: 53 New
    -3
    What does "UN believes" mean? Do we already have a veto? Or do our diplomats agree with the decision?
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 May 2020 09: 57 New
      +1
      In 2004, the Russian delegation supported this resolution.
  • Kondratko
    Kondratko 8 May 2020 09: 55 New
    +1
    The UN Resolution, which turns 15 years old, proposes to consider these days exclusively as "Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation"

    So after all, for “them” (former and real accomplices of Nazism, enemies of socialism / communism) these days should be considered as "Memory" that the USSR and our people once again, contrary to everything, knocked out their teeth, broke their backbone, and this is their "Reconciliation" with what happened! For us, these days have always been and will be DAYS OF THE GREAT VICTORY!
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 10: 00 New
    +8
    On May 9, 1945, no reconciliation act was signed. An act of unconditional surrender of Germany was signed. This is what we are celebrating.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 8 May 2020 10: 08 New
    +4
    Many Western leaders, historians, politicians, ordinary people simply propose "forgetting the past." They offer constantly and selectively. There are many states and peoples which put their own historical memory in relation to Russia at the heart of a hostile policy. And even constantly trying to convert the "blame of Russia" into money, territory, court decisions ...
    There can be no reconciliation. Europeans and Japanese remained the same, they themselves did not forget anything, but they require oblivion of the peoples of the Russian Federation.

    ps Scary family martyrology and archives will not let you forget.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 10: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Valery Valery
    Brad!
    Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

    Trying on peoples. What is the Ukrainian people to blame for the fact that the government pursues such an ideology? It’s not the people who wage war, but the government. It can be angry with everyone around, but it’s counterproductive. The Germans have repented and paid compensation a hundred times. Or do you think that everything is in your life should all countries coexist peacefully for a long time, only we continue to wave our saber. Israel has been fighting for the past 50 years, and is living better than ours. All of our state’s policies are built to shift attention from internal to external problems.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 8 May 2020 10: 17 New
    +8
    Who suggested this? Watch !!!! On the initiative of the Russian Federation, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Cambodia and other countries, the UN Resolution on the Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation of the peoples who fought in the Second World War was adopted.
    Who then headed the Russian Federation? - Remember ... So why "blame the mirror" ???
    Why did the President of the Russian Federation congratulate us and the Great Patriotic War veterans on Victory Day, and in the world supported (?) Or did not mind, what would this day be called reconciliation in history ?????
    For me and my family there is one holiday - May 9, 1945 VICTORY DAY !!!! The victories of my grandfather Pavel Timofeevich Tsymbal, a front-line driver who died (missing) at the end of February 1943, delivering ammunition to the front line, my grandfather Vorobyov Pavel Feoktistovich, a sapper who, together with his fellow Nazis, built bridges and crossings from Stalingrad to Berlin, and ending the war on Sakhalin. It is a pity that people, for political purposes, forget and rewrite history, but we - remember, we - are proud !!! We are proud of the Victory over the fascist beast, and not reconciliation. Our ancestors on May 9, 1945 accepted CAPITULATION from the Germans, and not reconciliation !!!!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 8 May 2020 10: 17 New
    +4
    The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
    Already reconciled:
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 10: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Reconciled with fascism ??? It’s not at any gates. Fascism needs only to be destroyed and squeezed out with a hot iron.

    In which country is fascism officially supported at the state level? Not ideologically the permission of processions of veterans?
  • Uma palata
    Uma palata 8 May 2020 10: 24 New
    +1
    Reconciliation, they say, everything was long ago, let's live, consume, and enjoy it. Yes, neither I nor my family will ever accept, none of our relatives will accept such a thing for themselves. All of Europe went to rob and kill us, the Nazis even very happy with them as leaders. Forget Nazism? Forget what they did here? No. Look, they reconciled in Ukraine, so there the Nazis now walk in rows in the center.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 8 May 2020 10: 29 New
    +1
    The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation. Reconciliation with whom?


    Resolution A / RES / 59/26 of the UN General Assembly was adopted in 2004. Russia voted in favor of:
    https://undocs.org/ru/A/RES/59/26

    Now, let Russia, which 16 years ago voted for the resolution, answer for itself.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 11: 09 New
    -2
    Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
    Who suggested this? Watch !!!! On the initiative of the Russian Federation, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Cambodia and other countries, the UN Resolution on the Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation of the peoples who fought in the Second World War was adopted.
    Who then headed the Russian Federation? - Remember ... So why "blame the mirror" ???
    Why did the President of the Russian Federation congratulate us and the Great Patriotic War veterans on Victory Day, and in the world supported (?) Or did not mind, what would this day be called reconciliation in history ?????
    For me and my family there is one holiday - May 9, 1945 VICTORY DAY !!!! The victories of my grandfather Pavel Timofeevich Tsymbal, a front-line driver who died (missing) at the end of February 1943, delivering ammunition to the front line, my grandfather Vorobyov Pavel Feoktistovich, a sapper who, together with his fellow Nazis, built bridges and crossings from Stalingrad to Berlin, and ending the war on Sakhalin. It is a pity that people, for political purposes, forget and rewrite history, but we - remember, we - are proud !!! We are proud of the Victory over the fascist beast, and not reconciliation. Our ancestors on May 9, 1945 accepted CAPITULATION from the Germans, and not reconciliation !!!!

    Of course, in the history of mankind there have been thousands of wars, people have been slaughtering each other for centuries, but that doesn’t prevent them from coexisting peacefully. It’s foolish to hate the German people, who suffered from two wars for the actions of their politicians. The Germans live quietly and at times better than ours, although they so cut your anger at the one who brought the USSR and Russia to the current state
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 8 May 2020 11: 10 New
    0
    That is why the very attempt to turn Victory Day into a slurred day of "reconciliation" looks like a desire to distort history, to dying out its great significance for our country.

    Attack on all fronts.
    https://ria.ru/amp/20200507/1571063106.html
  • Million
    Million 8 May 2020 11: 13 New
    +6
    Well, if our diplomats and politicians are silent, then our enemies say ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 May 2020 11: 27 New
      -1
      Vague doubts torment me ...
  • Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 8 May 2020 11: 15 New
    -1
    UN - with whom to try on? What the hell do you need this office of balabol loafers, what did she decide? Aloizych-he applauds from the other world. laughing
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 11: 16 New
    -4
    Quote: APASUS
    The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
    Already reconciled:

    You don’t have to preserve monuments to someone else’s ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. Yes, what to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And they attached a plate "from Putin, Sobyanin and K."
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 11: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Amateur
    May 9th is OUR holiday.

    That's exactly OUR holiday, and the rest only helped us. So said our 100 year old veteran Jacob.

    He must have repeatedly mentioned assistants with a kind word, gobbling up a stew or moving around in a studentbacker
  • NordUral
    NordUral 8 May 2020 11: 25 New
    0
    It was, is and will be Victory Day over fascist Germany and its satellites!
  • avia12005
    avia12005 8 May 2020 11: 27 New
    0
    A long way to you guys from the UN, along a long road with your reconciliation with the SS and the Gestapo.
  • T.Henks
    T.Henks 8 May 2020 11: 33 New
    +3
    What is the name for the erased holiday on November 7? Who agreed and reconciled there? The road is not far from oblivion to perversion. Under the Vlasov flag forward to ...... What?
  • Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 8 May 2020 12: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Quote: APASUS
    The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
    Already reconciled:

    You don’t have to preserve monuments to someone else’s ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. Yes, what to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And they attached a plate "from Putin, Sobyanin and K."

    With the inscription: The monument was created transferred to the city of Moscow by Russian patriots Vladimir Putin Sobyanin? laughing "Architectural excesses", the monument to Marshal is removed and will be replaced with a new one. And judging by the photos published by eyewitnesses in social networks, it has already been replaced (in the photo you can see two monuments at once: one on the ground, the other on the pedestal). Commentators joke: "And do not forget the monument to Peter."

    It is not that the Muscovites somehow particularly loved the monument to Zhukov and his horses, but rather got used to it. When it was installed in 1995, everyone was also very indignant. At first they wanted to put the marshal in general on Red Square, but UNESCO representatives said that if the appearance of the main square changes, it will be excluded from the World Heritage List. So the monument appeared on the other side of the Historical Museum - on Manezhnaya. The professional and non-professional community - that is, everything in a row - scolded the monument. This is the work of the sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov, and even he himself acknowledged the creative failure.

    “The monument to Zhukov was Klykov’s pain. He always expressed regret that he would be remembered for his unsuccessful work and wanted to remove it, correct it and put it in place, ”said Evgeny Korolev, director of the Art Project workshop created by Klykov several years ago. Then the replacement of the monument was actively discussed. The dismantled was proposed to be taken to the home of the marshal in Kaluga. It is possible that this is exactly what will happen now. So your post looks to put it mildly how miserable. laughing
  • amr
    amr 8 May 2020 12: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Courier

    Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.

    Well, yes, Hitler landed on their islands and popped to London?
    or maybe Great Britain took Berlin?

    and the fact that she fought with Hitler for the longest time on reference information, so no one argues with that!
  • Vitauts
    Vitauts 8 May 2020 12: 21 New
    -5
    The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
    - unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
    - Annexation of the Baltic countries
    - war against Poland
    These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
    one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
    And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
    I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov 8 May 2020 15: 37 New
      +4
      Vitasik. You’re definitely the first to run the Fritz’s boot to lick your boots - you won’t get used to the Chukhites under someone else’s whip to live
      1. Vitauts
        Vitauts 12 May 2020 12: 57 New
        0
        OLEGUSEK - the facts show something else - you Russians cannot do without the king.
        You have an abnormal hatred of the Baltic states that we live better than you, without you. smile
  • svp67
    svp67 8 May 2020 12: 28 New
    -1
    The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation. Reconciliation with whom?
    Not with anyone, but with what ... with his conscience ...
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 12: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Lyudmila Kostargina
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Quote: APASUS
    The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
    Already reconciled:

    You don’t have to preserve monuments to someone else’s ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. Yes, what to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And they attached a plate "from Putin, Sobyanin and K."

    With the inscription: The monument was created transferred to the city of Moscow by Russian patriots Vladimir Putin Sobyanin? laughing "Architectural excesses", the monument to Marshal is removed and will be replaced with a new one. And judging by the photos published by eyewitnesses in social networks, it has already been replaced (in the photo you can see two monuments at once: one on the ground, the other on the pedestal). Commentators joke: "And do not forget the monument to Peter."

    It is not that the Muscovites somehow particularly loved the monument to Zhukov and his horses, but rather got used to it. When it was installed in 1995, everyone was also very indignant. At first they wanted to put the marshal in general on Red Square, but UNESCO representatives said that if the appearance of the main square changes, it will be excluded from the World Heritage List. So the monument appeared on the other side of the Historical Museum - on Manezhnaya. The professional and non-professional community - that is, everything in a row - scolded the monument. This is the work of the sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov, and even he himself acknowledged the creative failure.

    “The monument to Zhukov was Klykov’s pain. He always expressed regret that he would be remembered for his unsuccessful work and wanted to remove it, correct it and put it in place, ”said Evgeny Korolev, director of the Art Project workshop created by Klykov several years ago. Then the replacement of the monument was actively discussed. The dismantled was proposed to be taken to the home of the marshal in Kaluga. It is possible that this is exactly what will happen now. So your post looks to put it mildly how miserable. laughing

    And when it was designed, what were you thinking about? By the way, it was cut, so it’s unlikely to be preserved
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 May 2020 12: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: Vitauts
    The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
    - unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
    - Annexation of the Baltic countries
    - war against Poland
    These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
    one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
    And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
    I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.

    The war with Finland and Poland is the return of Russian lands depressed when the bear was sick. And the Baltic states were not observed in history before the revolution. These formations were created artificially
    1. Vitauts
      Vitauts 8 May 2020 12: 54 New
      -5
      By your silly logic, Russia is also part of Mongolia, it was such a stage in history.
      Let's look at the time when the borders of Lithuania were on the Black Sea ....
      You're funny
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 May 2020 14: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Vitauts
        By your silly logic, Russia is also part of Mongolia, it was such a stage in history.
        Let's look at the time when the borders of Lithuania were on the Black Sea ....

        Russia was never part of Mongolia. Tribute paid, yes. Well, Rome paid tribute to the Huns and Byzantium.
      2. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov 8 May 2020 15: 42 New
        +2
        Vitasik. September 10, 1721 Russia bought the Baltic States for 2 million Yefimkov. The entire Baltic states belong to Russia under the Nistad peace treaty with Sweden. you are just a purchase and nothing more
        1. Vitauts
          Vitauts 8 May 2020 16: 23 New
          -2
          then, by your logic, you are a Mongol vassal, nothing more
  • Incompetent
    Incompetent 8 May 2020 12: 38 New
    0
    To put up with those who take to the streets of Kiev, Riga, Tallinn, servants from the battalions of the Waffen-SS? Or, perhaps, to reconcile with the young men who actually deny the results of the Nuremberg trials, arranging their torchlight processions under Nazi slogans and corresponding symbols?

    And then those who know right away will tell you that in Russia there are also a lot of fascists and a million videos from YouTube will be dropped, so if we ourselves have plenty of them, then to whom can we make a complaint?
    1. Vitauts
      Vitauts 8 May 2020 12: 56 New
      -5
      In Latvia, Nazi symbols and idiology are prohibited by law, as are the symbols of the USSR
  • Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 8 May 2020 12: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Vitauts
    The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
    - unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
    - Annexation of the Baltic countries
    - war against Poland
    These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
    one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
    And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
    I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.

    Did the Americans get out of Germany? laughing Ramstein Airbase is located 16 kilometers from Kaiserslautern, just east of Ramstein, Germany.

    The base performs several functions:
    1) US Air Force Base
    2) US Air Force Europe Headquarters - Africa Air Force (USAFE-AFAFRICA)
    3) NATO Allied Air Command Base

    The main units of the US Air Force Ramstein Air Base:
    - 86 wing
    - 435th wing of air-ground operations (435th Air Ground Operations Wing,)
    - 521st wing of the Air Operations Management (521st Air Mobility Operations Wing)
    - 21st TSC / 39th Movement Control BN

    Features of functioning and legal status:
    Despite the fact that the base is located on German territory, German officials and politicians need permission from the US command to enter it. laughing
    1. Vitauts
      Vitauts 8 May 2020 13: 01 New
      -5
      This is only a military base, the USSR was not limited to this.
    2. Avior
      Avior 8 May 2020 14: 19 New
      -2
      Germany is the US ally for NATO.
      No wonder there is a base.
      At US bases in Germany, nuclear weapons are stored, which the United States has committed to transfer to Germany if a nuclear state attacks it.
  • Lyudmila Kostargina
    Lyudmila Kostargina 8 May 2020 12: 59 New
    +2
    Three US military bases will appear in Bulgaria: two air bases - Bezmer and Graf Ignatievo, as well as a training ground and warehouses in Novo Selo. An agreement will be signed this week during a visit by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Bulgaria. 2,5 thousand American soldiers, who will be constantly at the bases, can be used to launch operational attacks on the countries of the Middle East. In Bulgaria, where the Muslim minority makes up a large part of the population, the arrival of the Americans caused discontent, the American newspaper The Washington Times reports. Paying for the rental of US military bases will not pay for their maintenance, and all the military facilities built by the Americans will be transferred to Bulgaria. The Bulgarians do not have to rely on the US military to give work to the local population. The US spokesman said, "We do not plan to hire many full-time employees. But Bulgarian companies will be able to get contracts if they can meet our requirements and standards."

    On an ongoing basis, at least 2,5 thousand people will be housed at the base. At certain points in time, due to the rotation of the contingent, the number will be able to reach 5 thousand US troops.



    More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/24apr2006/airbase.html laughing
  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 8 May 2020 13: 00 New
    +2
    Europe was reconciled with the fact that it was almost completely, slavishly stooping, hunched over Hitler - this is a shame to admit. But Europe will never come to terms with the fact that it did not free itself from the Nazi yoke. So the holiday, according to European concepts, was rightly called. Europe has reconciled, reconciled and continues to live according to its genetic principles.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 8 May 2020 13: 02 New
    +2

    He certainly authority ....
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 May 2020 14: 23 New
      -1
      Victory Day over Nazi Germany by itself, and the day of memory and reconciliation, by itself.
      1. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov 8 May 2020 15: 44 New
        +2
        trying to sit on two chairs? Remember how it ends?
        1. Avior
          Avior 8 May 2020 16: 42 New
          -1
          what kind of chairs?
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 8 May 2020 15: 25 New
      0
      Ancient Lod and that one with you ...