The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation. Reconciliation with whom?

May 8-9, 1945 - Nazism fell, got what it deserved "the millennial Reich", which lasted 12 years. This is truly the greatest victory that was obtained by the blood of millions of people, including 27 million citizens of the Soviet Union.

What date does the United Nations suggest recalling on May 8-9 with its resolution of 2005? Perhaps all together celebrate Victory Day over Nazi Germany and its henchmen from other countries, which are now making victims? No. The UN resolution, which is 15 years old, proposes to consider these days exclusively as "Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation."

The memory of those who died in that war is certainly sacred. But reconciliation ... Who with whom? To put up with those who take to the streets of Kiev, Riga, Tallinn, servants from the battalions of the Waffen-SS? Or, perhaps, to reconcile with the young men who actually deny the results of the Nuremberg trials, arranging their torchlight processions under Nazi slogans and corresponding symbols? Or, rejoice and rush to cuddle with those who, at the annual UN mentioned, vote against a resolution condemning Nazism?

Today they actively continue to impose an ideology of reconciliation with such, so to speak, people. Tomorrow they will adopt a resolution that it is possible to reconcile with everyone, but not with those who honor the memory of Soviet soldiers, since they "represented the barbaric communist regime." Well, and then - what has been pushed all the last time: the establishment of the sign of identity between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

That is why the very attempt to turn Victory Day into a slurred day of "reconciliation" looks like a desire to distort history, dying out its great importance for our country.

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[Shooter22]

They would have told my Grandfather about this when he took Berlin in 945th ...

[gridasov]

That's it ! Therefore, this is the day of trying consciousness and perception of historical events by people of different age generations, first of all. Young people will never understand and will not be imbued with the time that was prepared for our ancestors. And this is not a condemnation. This is a simple psychophysics of consciousness.

[Incvizitor]

in June 1933, Schacht met with the head of the British Bank, N. Montague, after which London granted loans to Berlin for a total amount of two billion dollars. https://topwar.ru/155681-kak-amerikanskie-korporacii-podderzhivali-gitlera.html

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

World backstage （ordinary nonhumans ,,) and the bad people who joined them, and ordinary people, with big wallets, already in 1929/30. They firmly decided to organize WWII after some time.
As in the case of the PMV, the guys -... decided to earn a lot of money on the job. Well, let the krovushku. Bloody delusional CHAOS they like horror as they love! Just like their ,, spiritual leader, ”is Satan.
They premeditated routes, addresses and appearances, settlements between, adversaries. Created appropriate structures in Europe, in particular in Switzerland. ,, appointed ,, the main opponents in a future war ... And the work began to boil! A very recognizable blitzkrieg plane is the U-87. Whose engine stood on the prototype of the Natsik? Correctly! British! And which tank will Soviet Russia take as a prototype? Right, british! And where will the young state of the USSR take parachutes for the Air Force? Good America is happy to sell! But nothing that there is no diplomatic relations? No problem! Is this a problem for ,, business people ,, ...
And who taught, the insidious Japanese, attacks on the naval base, who generously shared the experience of sudden attacks by torpedo bombers? Britannia!
... So much information that is IMPOSSIBLE to hide! But ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, （very sensible, and convenient, and since we are good - ,, ufo ,,）, especially, are not, are encrypted, in this century. They MAKE to believe in stupidity, nonsense, nonsense. For example, they make their civil servants believe in the undermining of skyscrapers, in the attack by the Pentagon AIRPLANE. Do not believe? Dismiss, ,, without severance pay ,,! Impudent, rude FORCING people to lie to others, to lie to themselves. For them, the concept of conscience is alien. They are different. Not people.
Just as cockroaches are afraid of the lights turned on, so are they afraid of the TRUTH. They don’t need her! They do not need freedom-loving, competent, honest PEOPLE. They need dull, lustful, cattle-like ,, little people ,, for almost free labor on them, on ,, the masters of the world ,,. Hence the falsification of everything and everything, the evil rejection of the heroic, great, worthy. Others about them, these CREATURES （in Ukrainian sounds good, right?) Will NEVER. Nothing special to be surprised

[kit88]

As long as the veterans of the front were alive, as long as the defeated accomplices of Nazi Germany in all Europe felt that they owed the Soviet people in life, there was not any speech, no hint of "fitting".
I passed the MSG to the Soviet Union, and with it the Victory.
And the winners are known to write the story. So now they are writing, scribbling a new story in four hands, where there is no place for the Soviet people to conquer, but they have been assigned the role of enslaver of Europe.

[zenion]

The Soviet people have been gone for thirty years. He was replaced by feudalism, which has nothing to do with victory, except that it is in the territory they plundered.

[zenion]

So you need to come to terms with the fact that imperialism created Hitler to destroy the USSR, not out of spite, but it's just business and nothing personal.

[Fuethe]

Well, it was anger, personified, hidden in some, not without it, but yes - business, The main slogan of the present time (and capitalism and its highest form - imperialism) - sorry brother, nothing personal, just business. And you can dress this monster in any clothes - then - in National Socialism, now - in liberalism. This moloch needs a space, filling which he must certainly begin to expand further, otherwise death for him. At 41 he failed to master the territory, at 90 he did it. For some time he had enough to digest the USSR, but now he needs to grow further, but nowhere, everything that can be borrowed has taken. And now interesting times come. Oh, and "it will be fun" As in the eastern proverb they wished the enemy - to live in an interesting time. Here it comes. Nothing personal, just business. For business, we are the starting material, the fodder. He cares about us just as much as he needs us, no more and no less. Everything else - to him and only to him. Expansion (territorial - this is both an expansion of the consumer and raw material base), and implicit financial - for him it is a matter of life and death, and here he knows no limits, any means are good, any.

[gridasov]

It is terrible that the new herd is ready to fight to the death of another herd. Our fathers and grandfathers fought with a visible enemy. But you cannot live only in the past. No one calls to forgive the enemy of his crime. But now you need to clearly and clearly understand that the force and the army are the defenders of the peaceful life of the people who should not take revenge on the children of opponents, if they also want to live in peace and cooperation.

[Vend]

Europe has long been trying to forget its shame and reconcile, or I would say to equalize our veterans and those who brought sorrow to our land.

[Potomac]

Quote: Wend

Europe has long been trying to forget its shame and reconcile, or I would say to equalize our veterans and those who brought sorrow to our land.

Well, not all of Europe is a shame. Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. Yes, most of Europe submitted or sided with Nazism, but still, there is Britain, which was the first bone in the throat of the Reich.

[Was mammoth]

Is it that Britain that approved the capture of Austria and Czechoslovakia? Not only Germany, but also Poland and Hungary. Snout in the gun. The start date of World War II in Europe is not September 1, 1939. The Austrians seem to remember. And the Czechs had already forgotten when the war began for them. They even offer to put up after the demolition of the monument.
"The Czech Foreign Ministry offered the Russian side to start negotiations on the settlement of disputes, said Foreign Minister Tomáš Petříček."
https://news.mail.ru/politics/41662484/?frommail=1
It turns out that it was just a "controversy".
Not by bone they were sponsors.

[Courier]

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Courier

These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.

Well yes!!! Two dictators had a fight. Profitable version. Look for the true causes of world war. Suddenly, lucky.
In the free access materials, and about what is called bashfully "Anschluss", and about the "Munich Agreement". And about the "strange" war.
At the same time, ask for what kind of shishi Hitler paid for, say, for Swedish ore. "Opel" who owned .... There are many facts. Naturally, this was not the case in the alternative.
PS I'm not ordinary Britons.

[Fuethe]

It is worth noting that if Hitler decided to attack Czechoslovakia, Germany would inevitably await defeat. As noted by Oleg Budnitsky, the military forces of the Reich were insignificant even in comparison with the army of France alone, which had an agreement on mutual assistance with Czechoslovakia. But there were also England and the Soviet Union, which signed a cross-agreement on mutual assistance with France and Czechoslovakia. Although the Soviets openly declared their support for Czechoslovakia, Poland lay between them and this country, who played their game in that situation and did not intend to provide a corridor for the Red Army. In addition, the position of the USSR was not taken seriously. The statement of the Soviet People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs Maxim Litvinov in the League of Nations on September 21 about the readiness of the USSR to fulfill its obligations under the Franco-Soviet-Czechoslovak pact was ignored. But the problem lay deeper - many European politicians saw a greater threat in Bolshevik Russia than in Nazi Germany.

Nevertheless, the ideologist of concessions to Hitler on the Sudetenland issue was, first and foremost, Great Britain, whose prime minister at that time was Neville Chamberlain. The British really did not want to fight, and they were ready to go to any advances with the aggressor. This is how the historian Leonid Mlechin describes the attitude to the problem among the British political elite.
The ambassador of Czechoslovakia to London, the son of the country's first president, Jan Masaryk, bitterly joked that his main task was to explain to the British that Czechoslovakia was a country, not an exotic disease. “There are so few deputies in the House of Commons who know where Czechoslovakia is located,” the diplomat complained. - During a conversation with influential politicians, I showed them on the map our country. One of them thoughtfully remarked: “What a funny form your state has. You might think that in front of you is a big sausage "".
And here are the well-known words of the Prime Minister of Great Britain addressed to his colleagues: “Think, do we have an excuse to start a war? I think no. This morning I flew over the Thames and with horror imagined that a German bomber could appear in our sky. We have no choice. We will have to allow Germany to occupy the Sudetenland, because we do not have the strength to prevent this. ”

Speaking on the radio, he spoke in the same spirit: “How terrible it is that we have to dig trenches because of a clash in a country far from us between nations that we know almost nothing about. No matter how we sympathize with a small country, faced with a large and powerful power, under no circumstances can we allow the British Empire to be involved in the war only for this reason. War is a nightmare. ”
https://www.znak.com/2019-09-30/myunhenskiy_sgovor_1938_goda_pochemu_zapad_reshil_igrat_s_gitlerom_v_umirotvorenie

[Courier]

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.

[Alena Frolovna]

UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation

Firstly, the UN was still just being formed.
Secondly, and this is the main thing: now let them reconcile with themselves, or rather, let SWEET with the fact that Germany and its singers CAPITALIZED YOURSELF !!!

For us it is a GREAT AND LONG-WAITED VICTORY DAY.

A 1418-day road led to the Reichstag in Berlin and gave the right to lift
Victory Banner

и

God grant, thankful memory to us living ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Courier

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich.

In words. The losses of Britain and the Reich can you name?

[strannik1985]

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich.

Until May 10, 1940, she did not fight, but "fought". Like France.

[victor50]

Quote: Courier

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda

Parrot? Well, to her Guinness Book of Records! Is it possible to compare how she fought 5,5 years, or are we almost 4? No one belittles the merits and determination of the British and their allies since September 39th. Just do not put this record at the forefront. It would be better if she fought less, but more decisively in 1939 and until June 1940, together with the disgrace - France (I’m not about those who resisted even after the surrender, but about the state), then, perhaps, I would not have to sigh with relief in June 22, 1941 .

[Procyon lotor]

Well, actually it’s not that the USSR fought, but on the back, supplied Germany and occupied Poland together.

[Reserve officer]

If this is understood as a day of remembrance of OUR VICTORY and the reconciliation of Europe with its defeat, then everything is correct.
But only this way and not otherwise.

[Kisa]

so who argues that ... it is sad when this is the only thing left to be proud of. evened these Germans and they again rule Europe

[victor50]

Quote: kitty

these germans

NOT THESE won, and we are not the current ...

[gridasov]

Do not confuse simple but opposite concepts. the current generation should not live in a consciousness of revenge. History should be remembered as a lesson, not a reason for enmity. And if monuments to our heroes are destroyed in the Czech Republic, this does not mean that the whole nation thinks and supports such actions. So you need to find solutions in the spirit of what the Russian defense minister did.

[silverura]

They would have told my Grandfather when he took Berlin in 1945 ...

Your grandfather would know that the USSR would be a pro-boot and appear-free Russia, the rest would not want to listen.

[Valery Valery]

Brad!
Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

[Wolverine]

Quote: Valery Valery

Brad!
Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

Maybe it's time to remind the UN of the Hague Tribunal? Lavrov swallows everything again?

[Million]

He just does what he swallows ...

[gridasov]

Lavrov is a great and wise diplomat. The basis of the work of the state leader is endurance and thoughtfulness of actions, and not spontaneous and emotional. You need to understand that any action causes an algorithm for subsequent events. Therefore, it’s better to skip the answer to many nonsense of non-smart people than to get involved in provocation

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Wolverine

Maybe it's time to remind the UN of the Hague Tribunal? Lavrov swallows everything again?

How does the demolition of a monument intersect with the Hague Tribunal?

[Wolverine]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Wolverine

Maybe it's time to remind the UN of the Hague Tribunal? Lavrov swallows everything again?

How does the demolition of a monument intersect with the Hague Tribunal?

The revival of fascism around the world begins, turning history, monuments, torchlight processions, attacks on foreigners and so on, and the UN supports it. The voice of Nebenzi in this organization sounds like an echo, but no one hears.

[Skay]

after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

Europe is pathologically irreconcilable.

[AU Ivanov.]

So we actually fought against a united Europe. Even neutral Swedes supplied Germany with strategic materials.

[edmed]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Even neutral Swedes

Who even after the Soviet-Finnish war served in the "volunteers", what to take from them

[AU Ivanov.]

All countries of Western Europe, except Great Britain and most of Eastern, were marked by the presence of their citizens in SS divisions. Or their national armies were allies of Germany. And their industry worked for Hitler. We fought not with Germany, but with the European Union, whoever said anything there.

[edmed]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

AU Ivanov.

I am extremely disagreeing with you in questions of idiology, but here I will fully support, by the way, about VB, there is also not everything so unambiguous, some islands of VB were under the protectorate of the 3rd Reich. They resisted, no, they took on -ura, the "burden of the" white "man." Here's a story with geography.

[AU Ivanov.]

And the French resisted. Some. But in the SS Charlemagne division there were more Frenchmen than they participated in the Resistance Movement, and there were probably more White emigrants in it than French citizens.

[edmed]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

AS Ivanov. (Andrey) Today, 13:24
+1
And the French resisted. Some. But in the SS Charlemagne division there were more Frenchmen than they participated in the Resistance Movement, and there were probably more White emigrants in it than French citizens.

But how did it happen?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

And the French resisted. Some. But in the SS Charlemagne division there were more Frenchmen than they participated in the Resistance Movement, and there were probably more White emigrants in it than French citizens.

White emigrants, Jews, Communists and ultra-right French Catholics who did not like the first, second and third - but more Germans than fellow citizens)).

[tatarin1972]

Well, yes, they "resisted", spitting after the patrol of the Germans was considered a "feat".

[PSih2097]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

All countries of Western Europe, except Great Britain and most of Eastern, were marked by the presence of their citizens in SS divisions.

come on...
Americans and British in the service in the Wehrmacht and the SS
https://topwar.ru/89434-amerikancy-i-anglichane-na-sluzhbe-v-vermahte-i-ss.html
British Volunteer Corps

[avg]

Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

Did the UN Secretary General express his support? Maybe you confused the NATO Secretary General?

[hagen]

The withdrawal of the United Nations from the United States to some kind of Cyprus, Malta has long matured ... The United States has long subordinated the UN bureaucracy to its influence

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Hagen

The withdrawal of the United Nations from the United States to some kind of Cyprus, Malta has long matured ... The United States has long subordinated the UN bureaucracy to its influence

And you can create a UN Eastern and Western hemisphere ...
Are 300 million Americans trying to make the world dance to the saxophone? A parody of ...

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

And you can create a UN Eastern and Western hemisphere ...

The League of Nations died in due time. Why can't the UN befall the same fate? Everything is in development ... Today it is clear that it actually exists as a platform for negotiations, but is no longer able to form international relations. Somehow it is slowly reaching a dead end ... What it can degenerate into while there are no ideas. But it is clear that a "living corpse" is not the best helper for the world.

[avg]

Quote: Hagen

The withdrawal of the United Nations from the United States to some kind of Cyprus, Malta has long matured ... The United States has long subordinated the UN bureaucracy to its influence

This is at least, but it is better to buy out some island, give it the status of "UN Territory" and place international organizations there.

[hagen]

Quote: avg

buy some island, give it the status - "UN Territory"

I think this is difficult. The state is the highest form of social organization of people's lives. To organize a new state for the sake of one organization is not reasonable.

[avg]

Quote: Hagen

I think this is difficult. The state is the highest form of social organization of people's lives.

There is no need to invent anything new. In international law there is a concept - international territory.

To organize a new state for the sake of one organization is not reasonable.

I am not talking about the state, I am not talking about one organization. I am talking about the deployment of international organizations.

[hagen]

Quote: avg

I am not talking about the state, I am not talking about one organization.

Let them first decide to leave FD Roosevelt Street, then they will figure out how to organize.

[Svetlana]

You are proposing to discuss that resolution neither by citing a specific or even a single quote from this resolution. It is, as it were, not so much, more than 99,999% of people (us) did not know this thing as a keepsake.

They didn’t read it, but we condemn it ... right? But if the resolution is adopted, then Russia also supported it.

In anticipation of the Great Victory, you appeal to emotions against the UN, despite the fact that Russia is one of its most important members.

[rocket757]

That is why the very attempt to turn Victory Day into an indistinct day of "reconciliation" looks like a desire to distort history, to obliterate its enormous significance for our country.

We must and will celebrate the VICTORY !!! We don’t have to put up with someone, they were all defeated and there’s nothing in vain \ kat \ sku \ pour now !!!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: rocket757

We must and will celebrate the VICTORY!

It is right.

Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz sent a message to his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany, the press service of the Israeli Foreign Ministry said. 
"The people and government of Israel will always remember the contribution of the Red Army and the peoples of the USSR to the defeat of the inhuman Nazi regime and their role in the liberation of death camps in Europe," the message says. "We also remember the gigantic sacrifices that were made in the name of Victory." 
The message also contains Katz's personal gratitude to the Red Army, which liberated the Auschwitz (Auschwitz) -Birkenau death camp, where his mother, Malka Katz, was. "The feat of thousands of Red Army veterans who fought alongside their comrades in World War II and currently live in Israel will forever remain in our hearts," Yisrael Katz said.

[rocket757]

Not that there is a friend who always assents you!
Not the one who has the courage to tell you the whole truth!
Many try to circumvent, forget, a simple but eternal truth .... what follows then, it is impossible to explain to someone, they themselves will find out, often too late!

[Alexga]

For all my difficult attitude towards the State of Israel, I have great respect for you for the fact that Victory Day on May 9 is celebrated only by Russia, Israel and Belarus. But only! We all in our own way fought against fascism for Victory. Accidentally came across the memories of the partisan "Tolik", you know him as Yitzhak Arad (Rudnitsky is his surname in our places). He carried his medal "Partisan of the Great Patriotic War" across all borders, reaching Palestine.

[Avior]

Victory in Europe Day (Israel) is the national day of remembrance of the Israelites, which is celebrated annually on May 9 to mark the victory over the Nazis and the end of World War II in Europe.

Victory Day in Europe was created by the Israeli Knesset on July 26, 2017 as part of the Victory Day in Europe Act. According to the law, the Victory on Europe Day is held once a year, on May 9, to mark the official recognition of Nazi Germany's unconditional surrender from the Allied armed forces in World War II. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_in_Europe_Day_(Israel)
Sorry, machine translation, slightly clumsy
and compare with

Victory Day over Nazism in the Second World War (Ukrainian. Day overtake Nazism at the other svіtіvі vіyіnі) - a state holiday and a day off in Ukraine, which is celebrated on May 9

[Alexga]

But here we have Victory Day - a celebration of the victory of the Red Army and the Soviet people over Nazi Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.

[Avior]

Where do you have it?
If in Russia, then the official name is Victory Day.
In most post-Soviet countries, also, without specification, on May 9.

Victory Day is celebrated and is a day off almost throughout the CIS: in Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, as well as Georgia

in Ukraine
Victory Day over Nazism in World War II
also May 9
Everywhere an official holiday is a day off.

in Israel
Victory Day for Nazi Germany is the official name.
Official holiday by law of 2017

Task 1. The purpose of this law is to designate a day to mark the victory of the Allies over Nazi Germany and mark it
...

https://fs.knesset.gov.il/20/law/20_lsr_390429.pdf
also May 9th.
not a day off
In the USA, England and Europe

Victory Day in Europe (VE Day, or Victory in Europe Day) - a holiday during which the United States, Britain and most countries of Western Europe celebrate the day of the surrender of Germany and, accordingly, the end of World War II in Europe. It was officially celebrated only once - on May 8, 1945.

May 8th, not a day off.
Just do not quite understand why you only identified three countries?

[Alex66]

What a reconciliation, we can only control ourselves when dealing with the descendants of sadists and savages. But we cannot set the brains of the whole world, we need to save our own, and the teaching of history is allotted to this, not only disassembling the course of the war, but also disassembling its origins, explaining to children who brought Hitler to power, who financed him, what agreements were concluded before the war who were allies of Hitler. That there was not only Norman Neman, but also the SS Charlemagne division, and there were many of their minions.

[Shuttle]

A real reconciliation with the Germans, however strange it may seem, was not officially announced by the Soviet leadership on February 23, 1942 in honor of the 24th anniversary of the Red Army.

So, the Soviet people did not have any hatred for the Germans and other peoples as peoples. Yes, the task was to destroy the invaders, occupiers in their own den. But the task of annihilating peoples has never been set. Yes, and could not be delivered. Because it was a state of workers. So where would any reconciliation come from now? Who really and with whom has not been reconciled to this day?

[Viktor Sergeev]

There was hatred and it was justified. not Hitler hanged and killed people in concentration camps, not Hitler went to the USSR to fight with subhumans, not Hitler mocked prisoners of war and civilians, as did the Hungarians in Voronezh. They (most) believed in all this, they threw up their hands in hysteria, they bought slaves from the USSR for themselves and used them on their plots, they fed their children gifts from the Eastern Front when the children in Leningrad were starving to death.
Passing through the burned villages and cities, seeing the atrocities of the Germans and their allies, the soldiers felt hatred, filled with it and drove the "Aryans" and the rest of the EU from their land.
We did not reconcile and did not forgive those cattle, and there were few of them left, and with the current, following the crusaders, Napoleon and Hitler, we still have to put up early, if they climb, they will rake and we will make peace somewhere in Paris.

[Viktor Sergeev]

I am not reconciled. I lost two grandfathers in 1942. These .... are now repeating what happened in the early 30s, everyone wants to "democratize" Russia. They were enemies and will remain forever.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Shuttle

So where would any reconciliation come from now? Who really and with whom has not been reconciled to this day?

Almost a philosophy: from "Hitlers come and go ..." follows, alas, and "Hitlers go and come ...".
You need to be prepared for this.

[Slipper 2]

And that same slurred day of reconciliation instead of the Great October holiday?

[Viktor Sergeev]

November 4 is really a holiday of reconciliation, when all of Russia, spitting on disagreements, reconciled to the personal and went to the common enemy. But November 7 is the day of betrayal, the day of separation, the day of the beginning of the civil war of everyone with everyone.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

November 7 is a day of betrayal, a day of separation, the day of the beginning of the civil war of everyone with everyone.

Learn the story before writing such nonsense. If you don’t know something, then it’s better not to write anything, you’ll be a smart guy.

[AU Ivanov.]

And you have some advice: do not learn history from Soviet textbooks, there are a lot of things distorted. The winner writes the story.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And you have some advice: do not learn history from Soviet textbooks, there are a lot of things distorted. The winner writes the story.

Read the source and you will see who the majority of the people of Russia were with.

[victor50]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And you have some advice: do not learn history from Soviet textbooks, there are a lot of things distorted. The winner writes the story.

And you have some advice: do not learn history from Russian textbooks. There are many things distorted. And you regularly add, starving in the USSR. The winner writes the story. In this case ... tell me who?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

November 4 is really a holiday of reconciliation, when all of Russia, spitting on disagreements, reconciled to the personal and went to the common enemy. But November 7 is the day of betrayal, the day of separation, the day of the beginning of the civil war of everyone with everyone.

November 7 marks the beginning of granting equal rights to all residents of the Russian Empire, when our great-grandfathers, with weapons in their hands, forced the "hereditary elite" to consider themselves human.

[AU Ivanov.]

Not everyone accepted the red ideas. November 7 is a holiday of separation.

[iouris]

Especially for you: watch a video about the parade, which took place in the city of Pskov on May 22.05.1943, 1945, those who "did not receive". Many of them were hanged in May XNUMX.

[AU Ivanov.]

Most of those who did not accept, fell the death of the brave, fell not for ideas - for the Motherland. And the same communist Vlasov, who accepted, fought in the civil war on the side of the Reds, went into the service of Hitler voluntarily and with a song. The entire top of the ROA consisted of those who "accepted". Denikin flatly refused to cooperate with Hitler.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Most of those who did not accept, fell the death of the brave, fell not for ideas - for the Motherland. And the same communist Vlasov, who accepted, fought in the civil war on the side of the Reds, went into the service of Hitler voluntarily and with a song. The entire top of the ROA consisted of those who "accepted". Denikin flatly refused to cooperate with Hitler.

I’ll tell you a secret, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and even your idol Putin once wore school tickets. In your opinion, can they be called communists? In my opinion, they can be called, at best, opportunists, and there have been enough of them at all times, anywhere.

[AU Ivanov.]

They were Communists, and high-ranking ones. Party elite. Okromya Putin, he was a petty party in the party. There are simply patriots, but there are scum. Regardless of ideology. The communist went to Hitler to serve, and the former fist, who did not have any sympathy for the Soviet regime, came with a grenade under the tanks. Why is that? One of them loved his homeland.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

They were Communists, and high-ranking ones. Party elite. Okromya Putin, he was a petty party in the party. There are simply patriots, but there are scum. Regardless of ideology. The communist went to Hitler to serve, and the former fist, who did not have any sympathy for the Soviet regime, came with a grenade under the tanks. Why is that? One of them loved his homeland.

They were not communists, they were enemies. And you can name yourself as you like.

[iouris]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

the same communist Vlasov

Stop talking nonsense! (If you do not understand the hints.) Denikin did not participate in the defeat of the Hitler Reich. He was defeated by the state, the USSR, the people led by the Communists. Under the red banner with the hammer and sickle, and not under the flag of the ROA, as in that parade.

[AU Ivanov.]

Denikin, hating the Soviet regime, did not go to betray his homeland. Although offered repeatedly. The communist comrade Vlasov voluntarily offered his services to Hitler. A communist does not mean a patriot, and there are many examples of this.

[victor50]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Denikin, hating the Soviet regime, did not go to betray his homeland. Although offered repeatedly. Communist comrade Vlasov volunteered

General Krasnov voluntarily offered his services to Hitler, and the Komsomol member Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was silent during interrogations. What are you trying to prove with your only example ?! Or were the facts you quoted were overwhelming? The communists betrayed, and the kulaks and White Guards threw themselves under the tanks with grenades? As much as you would like, the opposite was the rule. And not only the communists, of course. But it’s not just an idea - "I want to go into battle as a communist." Defended, of course, the Motherland. And it was the Soviet Union. Whatever you come up with about this.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Not everyone accepted the red ideas. November 7 is a holiday of separation.

Not everyone, on the Kulikovo field, in the Battle of Poltava and in many other places, went out to fight for Russia (Rus), some of them took the side of the enemies, these are the same days of "disunity"?

[AU Ivanov.]

There are patriots and there are traitors. You confuse Civil, where each side fought for its truth, where traitors, as such, were not on both sides (there were, of course, those who ran across to the other side, but their language does not turn into traitors) and the war with an external enemy, where everyone He who has sided with the enemy is a traitor.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

There are patriots and there are traitors. You confuse Civil, where each side fought for its truth, where traitors, as such, were not on both sides (there were, of course, those who ran across to the other side, but their language does not turn into traitors) and the war with an external enemy, where everyone He who has sided with the enemy is a traitor.

Hetman Mazepa also had "his own truth" and his actions were no different from those of General Krasnov (from independence to serving the enemy). Ukrainian fascists Mazepa is the same hero and patriot as Bandera.

[AU Ivanov.]

Ukraine has its own atmosphere. From my point of view, Krasnov is a traitor, twice a traitor. Bandera was not our citizen - this is the enemy. Hetman Mazepa was in Russian service, therefore he is a traitor. The whites did not swear allegiance to the Bolsheviks; they saw a different future for Russia, therefore they cannot be called traitors.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The whites did not swear allegiance to the Bolsheviks; they saw a different future for Russia, therefore they cannot be called traitors.

I have never called white traitors.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The whites did not swear allegiance to the Bolsheviks; they saw a different future for Russia, therefore they cannot be called traitors.

I have never called white traitors.

Probably can’t be called traitors of the Russian princes, who called the Polovtsy to the Russian land, it’s also difficult to call the traitors representatives of the white movement who called the interventionists on Russian land, right?

[AU Ivanov.]

In what category do you classify Alexander Nevsky? Which holy noble prince? To accomplices to the invaders in the form of the Horde?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

In what category do you classify Alexander Nevsky? Which holy noble prince? To accomplices to the invaders in the form of the Horde?

Church titles of anyone, as you already understood, do not impress me. It is very difficult to answer shortly. The role of the horde was much more complex than the role of mere "occupiers". The head of the Horde had the title "Tsar" (in Russian pronunciation), the same title had the head of the Byzantine Empire and the head of the Roman Empire (to put it simply). At that time, Russia was one of the ulus (administrative units) of the Golden Horde (part of the Horde). Among the Russian princes there was constant rivalry for the "great table", i.e. for the right to represent the Russian lands in the Horde. Any attack on Russia from outside was considered an attack on the Horde (simplified), because the Horde gave the Grand Duke (the one who "sat on the great table") troops, if necessary. The Horde also gave troops, in the event of mutinies against the Horde, (and therefore against the Grand Duke), the Grand Duke and the Grand Duke suppressed the rebels (this was anything better than the Horde themselves would suppress). Those. Alexander Nevsky acted "in his own right", fought against an external enemy and was the protector of the tsar (not forgetting about his interests). Something like this, but it's all very simplified.

[iouris]

With collaborators, Vlasovites and Bandera.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: iouris

With collaborators, Vlasovites and Bandera.

This is the commandant of Auschwitz Höss

And these are the "non-brothers" guards of the koz camp

[for]

True, why is this holiday, so we have long been reconciled.

[Viktor Sergeev]

You may be reconciled, I am not. For me, the West was, is and will be the enemy. They follow the same path that they walked for a thousand years, since the time of the Crusaders: everyone is trying to "democratize" us, and every time they rake and hate us.

[for]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

You may have reconciled, I do not.

But I’m not writing to myself, the perpetrators were punished at the Nuremberg trials, they created the GDR and were friends with her (at school they corresponded with schoolchildren, exchanged ties, badges, postcards, etc.) As a system, they are enemies and we now have capitalism, even though We are not friends, but we conduct business together. We must remember, not vindictively, remember our grandmothers, mothers who fed prisoners. Russian is not inherent in vindictiveness.

[Incvizitor]

The West, as it was a stronghold of militarism and fascism, has remained so; reconciliation is possible with those who regret those who are ashamed and not those who continue.

[for]

Quote: Incvizitor

The West as a stronghold of militarism and fascism

The family has its black sheep, do not we have such? We cooperate with our regular partners, no matter what. In the USSR, there was more hostility towards us anyway somehow smoothing out our relations.

[Incvizitor]

We did not create "Hitler" out of Erdogan, we did not sponsor his party, these same Hitler nurtured and, in fact, created fascist Germany, as time passes they begin to support terrorists and thugs around the world, it is not necessary to go far, the same "Ukraine" tried to turn against Russia into a semblance of "Hitler's Germany" only now she has no opportunities for war.

[for]

Quote: Incvizitor

We did not create "Hitler" from Erdogan

We started selling weapons, the invasion of Syria and Libya, nothing reminds.

[Dart]

why do you need such a crap that you write such a flag ... hang up Fashkomovsky right away ..

[for]

You are the avenger hero, how many fascists - Bendera destroyed. You’re scribbling here not our gadgets, the car is not Moskvich standing at the entrance. And the flag I served under it!

[Dart]

yes. not Moskvich, I’m writing from a computer, served in the SA ... but I don’t write about my country as disgusting as you ..
and where does the heroism, vengeance and fascists ... everything has become entangled ... you wrote above that you are almost ready to gum with them, you are going to forgive ... ugh!

[for]

Quote: Dart

such nasty things as you, I do not write about my country.

Authorities have been cooperating With Germany since the age of 45 they helped to restore, and I write nasty things. It is disgusting to write about hatred towards them and at the same time to buy and use their goods. (and do not they are made with us or in China)

[Dart]

cheap demagoguery ..

[for]

Quote: Dart

cheap demagoguery ..

There is no worse than cheap "patriotism"

[Dart]

worse than compromise, only betrayal .. you only have one step ...

[for]

Quote: Dart

you have one little step left ...

You made it in the 90s.

[Dart]

along the way, there’s nothing more to tell you ... you attribute to me that you yourself confirm every post with your own writings ... Kolya-Urengoy.

[for]

Here is your essence. I have a neighbor who is the same patriot to the marrow of the bones; they put me for a bribe. And what else can you write, You won’t prove to the Two-Faced Anuses, if only you would scream slogans.

[Dart]

nda ... but in fact, that you are a compromiser and almost a traitor, what do you say ... except insults and pictures from the demotivator, Kolya ...
-And in response, all the same demagogy and calls for mercy ....
I won’t fall to your methods.

[for]

Quote: Dart

I won’t fall to your methods.

So you went down from the first comment.

[for]

Are you not one of them?

[Shuttle]

Quote: for

True, why is this holiday, so we have long been reconciled.

May 9th, Moscow time and 8th Berlin, is the day of the final surrender of Nazi Germany. This is the day the new Germany began.

[zoland]

What's the difference with Moscow and Berlin
24 hours?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: for

True, why is this holiday, so we have long been reconciled.

We did not try on, it was the authorities reconciled.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The UN knows the authority in the world, lower than that of a grandmother, a thrush, from a neighboring yard. Iraq, Yugoslavia, Syria - confirmation of this. And do not tell them to us.

[Herman 4223]

Tell us how they can live. Article 15 paragraph 4 of the Constitution

[Amateur]

Victory Day on May 9 is celebrated as a holiday in Russia, Israel and several CIS countries. Well, the fellahu from Libya or Yemen, on whose heads bombs are rained every day, II MV "to the light bulb." In Latin America, hardly anyone remembers who fought with whom and who won.
May 9th is OUR holiday.
Well, let the respective peoples remember the "Battle of El Alamein" or the victory in the "football war" between El Salvador and Honduras in 1969.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Amateur

May 9th is OUR holiday.

That's exactly OUR holiday, and the rest only helped us. So said our 100 year old veteran Jacob.

[Viktor Sergeev]

This is the victory of the USSR and allies over the second EU under the leadership of Hitler.
It is time to remove from the history the very mention of WW2, it was not there, it was a series of wars, for us there are two: the Great Patriotic War and the war with Japan.

[ZaharoFF]

First they rewrite history, and then they rewrite property.
In the original, the statement does not quite sound that way, but it is appropriate here.

[To be or not to be]

Reconcile and forget the gas stoves, the villages and people burned alive .. the ruined cities and broken lives .... Forget that the Soviet soldier destroyed fascism and raised the Victory Banner over Restag .. He will reconcile and go about those who rewrite history and from the conquerors do culprits ..
Reconciled - it means waiting again in the future campaign to the east and again the same thing - gas stoves. Burnt cities and villages ...
The philosophy of war and revanchism is well shown in Shakhnazarov's film The White Tiger. "Spring 1945. After the surrender of Germany, Fedotov, already in the rank of colonel, tries to convince Naidyonov that the war is over, but he does not agree. Until the White Tiger is destroyed, the war will not end, - Naydenov is convinced, - he is ready to wait twenty years, fifty, a hundred, but he will definitely appear again and strike. ”Colonel Fedotov walks away to his car and, turning around, sees only a small haze in the place of the tank ...

In the final scene of a dinner in a dark office, Adolf Hitler makes excuses to a mysterious stranger about the war:

“But we just found the courage to realize what Europe dreamed of!… Haven't we realized the secret dream of every European inhabitant? They never liked the Jews! All their lives they were afraid of this gloomy, gloomy country in the East ... I said: just let's solve these two problems, solve them once and for all ... Mankind has become what it is, thanks to the struggle! Wrestling is a natural, everyday thing. She goes always and everywhere. The struggle has no beginning or end. Struggle is life itself. War is the starting point” (from Wikipedia).
The "White Tiger" as a symbol of revanchism and war has not been destroyed. He hid for a while in the fog of a swamp and is always ready to appear again and again and bear death ..

[BIABIA]

"White Tiger" is an interesting film.
And about reconciliation ...
They would have told my grandfathers about this, which went through the whole war from and to (infantry, artillery). I think at first they would not understand what it was all about, and then run the guys while they are alive ...
ps
- Grandfather, did you kill people in the war?
- There are no people, he killed the fascists ...

[Prisoner]

With those who climbed on us in 1941, with those who are now barking at our country, erecting monuments to Bandera geeks, Vlasovites, white Cossacks who have sniffed with the Nazis, smashing monuments to Soviet soldiers, we have no reconciliation.

[Avior]

In my opinion, the article is only misleading.

. On November 24, 2004, the UN General Assembly, by its resolution No. A / RES / 59/26, proclaimed May 8 and 9 as the Days of remembrance and reconciliation.

Recognizing that Member States can have their Victory, Liberation, and Celebration Days, the UN invited all Member States, organizations of the United Nations system, non-governmental organizations and individuals to annually celebrate one of these days or both of these as a tribute to all to the victims of World War II

https://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/1879/
It seems everything is clear, Victory Day is a separate holiday.
The delegation of the Russian Federation supported this resolution

[thinker]

And calend.ru is misleading - Resolution adopted by the General Assembly November 22 2004 years
https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=ru/A/RES/59/26

[Avior]

I gave a link to the resolution below.
I don’t see that this changes in essence

[DMoroz]

The delegation of the Russian Federation supported this resolution

not only supported but was also one of the initiators
(RIA Novosti 2004)

NEW YORK, November 22 - RIA Novosti, Andrey Loshchilin. The UN General Assembly declared May 8 and 9 Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation.

The resolution, adopted on Monday by consensus on the initiative of Russia and other CIS countries, recalls that the victory over fascism, the 60th anniversary of which will be celebrated in 2005, created the conditions for the establishment of the United Nations.

In commemoration of this date, the General Assembly proclaimed May 8 and 9 as the Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation, which will be celebrated. annually, and also decided to hold a special solemn meeting of the GA on May 9, 2005 in memory of the victims made during the war.

The resolution calls on the states of the world to join forces in the fight against new challenges and threats with the central role of the UN and to resolve all disputes exclusively by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter of the Organization.

https://ria.ru/20041122/740371.html
This has been observed annually since 2005 and only now someone in 15 years has decided to remember this ...

[Barmaleyka]

The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation.

completely stunned? !!!
it is they swat offer to be reconciled with these? !!!!!

or with these?

maybe with these? !!!

I want to quote Lavrov

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Barmaleyka

it is they swat offer to reconcile with these? !!

Or maybe they forgot this?

[Pereira]

Is there a text of the resolution itself? I could not find. Drop someone link.
What I came across does not contain a word about reconciliation with war criminals.

[Avior]

https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FRES%2F59%2F26&Language=R&DeviceType=Mobile
Text in UN languages ​​on the UN website
https://daccess-ods.un.org/TMP/6944159.86537933.html
In Russian. PDF file

[Pereira]

Sergey, thanks.
A good article should begin with this text.
But in fact it is about the memory of the victims.
But if anyone wants to make a victim of the Austrian artist, brought to suicide by the bloody tyrant Stalin, then the UN has nothing to do with it. This is a matter of conscience.
And the one who writes the executioners as victims is acting contrary to the formal text of the resolution.
As for trying, I am ready to reconcile with today's Germans, but not with their authorities. The authorities are not going to come to terms with me. Again, contrary to the UN resolution.
A separate topic is that the descendants of the victims and the descendants of the executioners understand the term trying on differently. Therefore, it will not be in the foreseeable future.
You need to understand this. But there is no hysteria.
In the end, we won this.
Therefore, we will celebrate the Victory, and they will be sad and reconciled.
But again, the UN resolution did not call for this.

[tihonmarine]

Reconciled with fascism ??? It’s not at any gates. Fascism needs only to be destroyed and squeezed out with a hot iron.

[tlauicol]

What does "UN thinks" mean? Do we already have no veto right? Or do our diplomats agree with the decision?

[Avior]

In 2004, the Russian delegation supported this resolution.

[Kondratko]

The UN Resolution, which turns 15 years old, proposes to consider these days exclusively as "Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation"

So after all, for "them" (former and present accomplices of Nazism, enemies of socialism / communism), these days should be considered as "Memory" that the USSR and our people once again, contrary to everything, knocked out their teeth, broke their backbone, and this is their "Reconciliation" with what happened! For us, these days have always been and will be DAYS OF THE GREAT VICTORY!

[AU Ivanov.]

On May 9, 1945, no reconciliation act was signed. An act of unconditional surrender of Germany was signed. This is what we are celebrating.

[samarin1969]

Many Western leaders, historians, politicians, and ordinary people suggest "forgetting the past." They are offered constantly and selectively. There are many states and peoples whose "their" historical memory in relation to Russia is the basis of a hostile policy. And even they are constantly trying to convert "Russia's guilt" into money, territories, court decisions ...
There can be no reconciliation. Europeans and Japanese remained the same, they themselves did not forget anything, but they require oblivion of the peoples of the Russian Federation.

ps Scary family martyrology and archives will not let you forget.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Valery Valery

Brad!
Although, after the support of the UN Secretary General of the Prague authorities regarding the demolition of the monument to Konev, there is nothing to be surprised ....

Trying on peoples. What is the Ukrainian people to blame for the fact that the government pursues such an ideology? It’s not the people who wage war, but the government. It can be angry with everyone around, but it’s counterproductive. The Germans have repented and paid compensation a hundred times. Or do you think that everything is in your life should all countries coexist peacefully for a long time, only we continue to wave our saber. Israel has been fighting for the past 50 years, and is living better than ours. All of our state’s policies are built to shift attention from internal to external problems.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Who suggested this? Watch !!!! On the initiative of the Russian Federation, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Cambodia and other countries, the UN Resolution on the Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation of the peoples who fought in the Second World War was adopted.
Who then headed the Russian Federation? - remember ... So why "blame the mirror" ???
Why did the President of the Russian Federation congratulate us and the Great Patriotic War veterans on Victory Day, and in the world supported (?) Or did not mind, what would this day be called reconciliation in history ?????
For me and my family there is one holiday - May 9, 1945 VICTORY DAY !!!! The victories of my grandfather Pavel Timofeevich Tsymbal, a front-line driver who died (missing) at the end of February 1943, delivering ammunition to the front line, my grandfather Vorobyov Pavel Feoktistovich, a sapper who, together with his fellow Nazis, built bridges and crossings from Stalingrad to Berlin, and ending the war on Sakhalin. It is a pity that people, for political purposes, forget and rewrite history, but we - remember, we - are proud !!! We are proud of the Victory over the fascist beast, and not reconciliation. Our ancestors on May 9, 1945 accepted CAPITULATION from the Germans, and not reconciliation !!!!

[APASUS]

The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
Already reconciled:

[Pilat2009]

Quote: tihonmarine

Reconciled with fascism ??? It’s not at any gates. Fascism needs only to be destroyed and squeezed out with a hot iron.

In which country is fascism officially supported at the state level? Not ideologically the permission of processions of veterans?

[Uma palata]

Reconciliation, they say, everything was long ago, let's live, consume, and enjoy it. Yes, neither I nor my family will ever accept, none of our relatives will accept such a thing for themselves. All of Europe went to rob and kill us, the Nazis even very happy with them as leaders. Forget Nazism? Forget what they did here? No. Look, they reconciled in Ukraine, so there the Nazis now walk in rows in the center.

[pereselenec]

The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation. Reconciliation with whom?

Resolution A / RES / 59/26 of the UN General Assembly was adopted in 2004. Russia voted in favor of:
https://undocs.org/ru/A/RES/59/26

Now, let Russia, which 16 years ago voted for the resolution, answer for itself.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal

Who suggested this? Watch !!!! On the initiative of the Russian Federation, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Cambodia and other countries, the UN Resolution on the Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation of the peoples who fought in the Second World War was adopted.
Who then headed the Russian Federation? - remember ... So why "blame the mirror" ???
Why did the President of the Russian Federation congratulate us and the Great Patriotic War veterans on Victory Day, and in the world supported (?) Or did not mind, what would this day be called reconciliation in history ?????
For me and my family there is one holiday - May 9, 1945 VICTORY DAY !!!! The victories of my grandfather Pavel Timofeevich Tsymbal, a front-line driver who died (missing) at the end of February 1943, delivering ammunition to the front line, my grandfather Vorobyov Pavel Feoktistovich, a sapper who, together with his fellow Nazis, built bridges and crossings from Stalingrad to Berlin, and ending the war on Sakhalin. It is a pity that people, for political purposes, forget and rewrite history, but we - remember, we - are proud !!! We are proud of the Victory over the fascist beast, and not reconciliation. Our ancestors on May 9, 1945 accepted CAPITULATION from the Germans, and not reconciliation !!!!

Of course, in the history of mankind there have been thousands of wars, people have been slaughtering each other for centuries, but that doesn’t prevent them from coexisting peacefully. It’s foolish to hate the German people, who suffered from two wars for the actions of their politicians. The Germans live quietly and at times better than ours, although they so cut your anger at the one who brought the USSR and Russia to the current state

[Vasyan1971]

That is why the very attempt to turn Victory Day into an indistinct day of "reconciliation" looks like a desire to distort history, to obliterate its enormous significance for our country.

Attack on all fronts.
https://ria.ru/amp/20200507/1571063106.html

[Million]

Well, if our diplomats and politicians are silent, then our enemies say ..

[NordUral]

Vague doubts torment me ...

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

UN - with whom to try on? What the hell do you need this office of balabol loafers, what did she decide? Aloizych-he applauds from the other world.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: APASUS

The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
Already reconciled:

No one is obliged to you to preserve the monuments of someone else's ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. But what a long way to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And attached a sign "from Putin, Sobyanin and K"

[Pilat2009]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Amateur

May 9th is OUR holiday.

That's exactly OUR holiday, and the rest only helped us. So said our 100 year old veteran Jacob.

He must have repeatedly mentioned assistants with a kind word, gobbling up a stew or moving around in a studentbacker

[NordUral]

It was, is and will be Victory Day over fascist Germany and its satellites!

[avia12005]

A long way to you guys from the UN, along a long road with your reconciliation with the SS and the Gestapo.

[T.Henks]

What is the name for the erased holiday on November 7? Who agreed and reconciled there? The road is not far from oblivion to perversion. Under the Vlasov flag forward to ...... What?

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: APASUS

The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
Already reconciled:

No one is obliged to you to preserve the monuments of someone else's ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. But what a long way to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And attached a sign "from Putin, Sobyanin and K"

With the inscription: The monument was created transferred to the city of Moscow by Russian patriots Vladimir Putin Sobyanin? "Architectural excesses", the monument to Marshal is removed and will be replaced with a new one. And judging by the photos published by eyewitnesses in social networks, it has already been replaced (in the photo you can see two monuments at once: one on the ground, the other on the pedestal). Commentators joke: "And do not forget the monument to Peter."

It is not that the Muscovites somehow particularly loved the monument to Zhukov and his horses, but rather got used to it. When it was installed in 1995, everyone was also very indignant. At first they wanted to put the marshal in general on Red Square, but UNESCO representatives said that if the appearance of the main square changes, it will be excluded from the World Heritage List. So the monument appeared on the other side of the Historical Museum - on Manezhnaya. The professional and non-professional community - that is, everything in a row - scolded the monument. This is the work of the sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov, and even he himself acknowledged the creative failure.

“The monument to Zhukov was Klykov’s pain. He always expressed regret that he would be remembered for his unsuccessful work and wanted to remove it, correct it and put it in place, ”said Evgeny Korolev, director of the Art Project workshop created by Klykov several years ago. Then the replacement of the monument was actively discussed. The dismantled was proposed to be taken to the home of the marshal in Kaluga. It is possible that this is exactly what will happen now. So your post looks to put it mildly how miserable.

[amr]

Quote: Courier

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda.

Well, yes, Hitler landed on their islands and popped to London?
or maybe Great Britain took Berlin?

and the fact that she fought with Hitler for the longest time on reference information, so no one argues with that!

[Vitauts]

The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
- unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
- Annexation of the Baltic countries
- war against Poland
These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.

[Oleg Skvortsov]

Vitasik. You’re definitely the first to run the Fritz’s boot to lick your boots - you won’t get used to the Chukhites under someone else’s whip to live

[Vitauts]

OLEGUSEK - the facts show something else - you Russians cannot do without the king.
You have an abnormal hatred of the Baltic states that we live better than you, without you.

[svp67]

The UN considers May 8 and 9 days of remembrance and reconciliation. Reconciliation with whom?

Not with anyone, but with what ... with his conscience ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Lyudmila Kostargina

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: APASUS

The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
Already reconciled:

No one is obliged to you to preserve the monuments of someone else's ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. But what a long way to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And attached a sign "from Putin, Sobyanin and K"

With the inscription: The monument was created transferred to the city of Moscow by Russian patriots Vladimir Putin Sobyanin? "Architectural excesses", the monument to Marshal is removed and will be replaced with a new one. And judging by the photos published by eyewitnesses in social networks, it has already been replaced (in the photo you can see two monuments at once: one on the ground, the other on the pedestal). Commentators joke: "And do not forget the monument to Peter."

It is not that the Muscovites somehow particularly loved the monument to Zhukov and his horses, but rather got used to it. When it was installed in 1995, everyone was also very indignant. At first they wanted to put the marshal in general on Red Square, but UNESCO representatives said that if the appearance of the main square changes, it will be excluded from the World Heritage List. So the monument appeared on the other side of the Historical Museum - on Manezhnaya. The professional and non-professional community - that is, everything in a row - scolded the monument. This is the work of the sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov, and even he himself acknowledged the creative failure.

“The monument to Zhukov was Klykov’s pain. He always expressed regret that he would be remembered for his unsuccessful work and wanted to remove it, correct it and put it in place, ”said Evgeny Korolev, director of the Art Project workshop created by Klykov several years ago. Then the replacement of the monument was actively discussed. The dismantled was proposed to be taken to the home of the marshal in Kaluga. It is possible that this is exactly what will happen now. So your post looks to put it mildly how miserable.

And when it was designed, what were you thinking about? By the way, it was cut, so it’s unlikely to be preserved

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vitauts

The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
- unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
- Annexation of the Baltic countries
- war against Poland
These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.

The war with Finland and Poland is the return of Russian lands depressed when the bear was sick. And the Baltic states were not observed in history before the revolution. These formations were created artificially

[Vitauts]

By your silly logic, Russia is also part of Mongolia, it was such a stage in history.
Let's look at the time when the borders of Lithuania were on the Black Sea ....
You're funny

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vitauts

By your silly logic, Russia is also part of Mongolia, it was such a stage in history.
Let's look at the time when the borders of Lithuania were on the Black Sea ....

Russia was never part of Mongolia. Tribute paid, yes. Well, Rome paid tribute to the Huns and Byzantium.

[Oleg Skvortsov]

Vitasik. September 10, 1721 Russia bought the Baltic States for 2 million Yefimkov. The entire Baltic states belong to Russia under the Nistad peace treaty with Sweden. you are just a purchase and nothing more

[Vitauts]

then, by your logic, you are a Mongol vassal, nothing more

[Incompetent]

To put up with those who take to the streets of Kiev, Riga, Tallinn, servants from the battalions of the Waffen-SS? Or, perhaps, to reconcile with the young men who actually deny the results of the Nuremberg trials, arranging their torchlight processions under Nazi slogans and corresponding symbols?

And then those who know right away will tell you that in Russia there are also a lot of fascists and a million videos from YouTube will be dropped, so if we ourselves have plenty of them, then to whom can we make a complaint?

[Vitauts]

In Latvia, Nazi symbols and idiology are prohibited by law, as are the symbols of the USSR

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Vitauts

The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
- unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
- Annexation of the Baltic countries
- war against Poland
These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.

Did the Americans get out of Germany? Ramstein Airbase is located 16 kilometers from Kaiserslautern, just east of Ramstein, Germany.

The base performs several functions:
1) US Air Force Base
2) US Air Force Europe Headquarters - Africa Air Force (USAFE-AFAFRICA)
3) NATO Allied Air Command Base

The main units of the US Air Force Ramstein Air Base:
- 86 wing
- 435th wing of air-ground operations (435th Air Ground Operations Wing,)
- 521st wing of the Air Operations Management (521st Air Mobility Operations Wing)
- 21st TSC / 39th Movement Control BN

Features of functioning and legal status:
Despite the fact that the base is located on German territory, German officials and politicians need permission from the US command to enter it.

[Vitauts]

This is only a military base, the USSR was not limited to this.

[Avior]

Germany is the US ally for NATO.
No wonder there is a base.
At US bases in Germany, nuclear weapons are stored, which the United States has committed to transfer to Germany if a nuclear state attacks it.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Three US military bases will appear in Bulgaria: two air bases - Bezmer and Graf Ignatievo, as well as a training range and warehouses in Novo Selo. The corresponding agreement will be signed this week during the visit of US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Bulgaria. 2,5 thousand American soldiers, who will be permanently at the bases, can be used to deliver operational strikes on the countries of the Middle East. In Bulgaria, where the Muslim minority makes up a significant part of the population, the arrival of the Americans has caused discontent, according to the American newspaper The Washington Times. The rent of the US military bases will not pay for their maintenance, and all the military installations built by the Americans will be transferred to Bulgaria. The Bulgarians cannot count on the American military to give jobs to the local population. A US spokesman said, "We do not plan to hire many permanent workers. But Bulgarian companies will be able to get contracts if they can meet our requirements and standards."

On an ongoing basis, at least 2,5 thousand people will be housed at the base. At certain points in time, due to the rotation of the contingent, the number will be able to reach 5 thousand US troops.



More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/24apr2006/airbase.html

[Junior Private]

Europe was reconciled with the fact that it was almost completely, slavishly stooping, hunched over Hitler - this is a shame to admit. But Europe will never come to terms with the fact that it did not free itself from the Nazi yoke. So the holiday, according to European concepts, was rightly called. Europe has reconciled, reconciled and continues to live according to its genetic principles.

[Shahno]

He certainly authority ....

[Avior]

Victory Day over Nazi Germany by itself, and the day of memory and reconciliation, by itself.

[Oleg Skvortsov]

trying to sit on two chairs? Remember how it ends?

[Avior]

what kind of chairs?

[Shahno]

Ancient Lod and that one with you ...

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Vitauts

This is only a military base, the USSR was not limited to this.

Where were the USSR bases? in Alexandria and Mersa Matruh (Egypt), Latakia and Tartus (Syria), Dahlak (Ethiopia), Socotra and Aden (Yemen), Luanda (Angola), Conakry (Guinea), Tripoli and Tobruk (Libya), Bizerte and Sfax ( Tunisia), Split and Tivat (Yugoslavia), as well as Cam Ranh (Vietnam).Where is Europe? Study the subject, and then insert your conclusions.

[Vitauts]

Were there no USSR troops in East Germany?
Latvia was full of your bases

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

And tell us how Peter 1 bought you from the Swedes, and Dzhugashvili annexed part of the Vitebsk region from the city of Vilno and part of the Pskov province, finally return to the borders of 1939

[Vitauts]

yeah great. Bring Pitalova back to Latvia and we will go back to 1939.
I know that the USSR gave Lithuania a piece of Poland. You should be able to tell Latvia from Lithuania. At least as far as your country's borders are concerned, you should know the geography.
But I don't think anyone should thank the USSR for this

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Vitauts (Vitauts) thought for a long time and finally matured Hurray No one here is interested in your abstruse speeches, and your opinion is not interesting, how is the “fight against Russian imperialism” going? Continue to please with your conclusions. And a small addition will you review the results of the Yalta conference? THE HAT IS NOT GOOD FOR SENKA. As long as you are like you, there will definitely be no calls for use.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Lyudmila Kostargina

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: APASUS

The collective West (we will speak boldly, it is with Western money that Hitler built Germany) was defeated in that war, and now there is a banal attempt to rewrite history, erase crimes, and call for reconciliation!
Already reconciled:

No one is obliged to you to preserve the monuments of someone else's ideology. Better remember how many monuments the Bolsheviks demolished. But what a long way to go, recently in Moscow at night they replaced the monument to Zhukov. And attached a sign "from Putin, Sobyanin and K"

With the inscription: The monument was created transferred to the city of Moscow by Russian patriots Vladimir Putin Sobyanin? "Architectural excesses", the monument to Marshal is removed and will be replaced with a new one. And judging by the photos published by eyewitnesses in social networks, it has already been replaced (in the photo you can see two monuments at once: one on the ground, the other on the pedestal). Commentators joke: "And do not forget the monument to Peter."

It is not that the Muscovites somehow particularly loved the monument to Zhukov and his horses, but rather got used to it. When it was installed in 1995, everyone was also very indignant. At first they wanted to put the marshal in general on Red Square, but UNESCO representatives said that if the appearance of the main square changes, it will be excluded from the World Heritage List. So the monument appeared on the other side of the Historical Museum - on Manezhnaya. The professional and non-professional community - that is, everything in a row - scolded the monument. This is the work of the sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov, and even he himself acknowledged the creative failure.

“The monument to Zhukov was Klykov’s pain. He always expressed regret that he would be remembered for his unsuccessful work and wanted to remove it, correct it and put it in place, ”said Evgeny Korolev, director of the Art Project workshop created by Klykov several years ago. Then the replacement of the monument was actively discussed. The dismantled was proposed to be taken to the home of the marshal in Kaluga. It is possible that this is exactly what will happen now. So your post looks to put it mildly how miserable.

And when it was designed, what were you thinking about? By the way, it was cut, so it’s unlikely to be preserved

Of course you need to come with a report

[kig]

Since hardly any of us have read this resolution (I suspect that the author also only heard something about it), I suggest that you familiarize yourself with:

Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on November 22, 2004
[without referral to Main Committees (A/59/L.28/Rev.2)]

*59/26. Celebrating the sixtieth anniversary of the end of the Second World War

The General Assembly, recalling that the year 2005 will mark the sixtieth anniversary of the end of the Second World War, which brought untold suffering to humanity, emphasizing that this historical event created the conditions for the establishment of the United Nations, designed to save future generations from the scourge of war, calling on States -Members of the United Nations to join forces in combating new challenges and threats with the central role of the United Nations and to do everything possible to resolve all disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and in a manner that does not jeopardize international peace and security , Emphasizing the progress made since the end of the Second World War in overcoming its legacy and in the cause of reconciliation, international and regional cooperation and the promotion of democratic values, human rights and fundamental freedoms, especially within the framework of the United Nations, and the establishment of regional organizations and other relevant mechanisms,

1. Proclaims 8 and 9 May as days of remembrance and reconciliation and, recognizing that Member States may have their own days of victory, liberation and celebration, invites all Member States, organizations of the United Nations system, non-governmental organizations and individuals to commemorate annually accordingly one of these days or both of these days as a tribute to all the victims of the Second World War;

2. Requests the President of the General Assembly to hold a special commemorative meeting of the General Assembly during the second week of May 2005 in memory of all victims of the war;

3. Requests the Secretary-General to bring this resolution to the attention of all Member States and organizations of the United Nations system and to take the necessary measures for its implementation.
59th plenary meeting
November 22 2004 years

So, what seditious and terrible thing did the author see here? Is someone calling for forgiveness of the Nazis and those who joined them? Does he propose to rename this Day? Prohibits celebrating Victory Day? Someone will just remember that his grandfather laid down his head in the name of rotten misanthropic ideals.

By the way, who is our author? He brought up such an important topic and didn’t want to introduce himself.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Vitauts

In Latvia, Nazi symbols and idiology are prohibited by law, as are the symbols of the USSR

And the cheerful old men march sneezing and coughing without looking back at the local “authorities”

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

There are no more monuments to the Marshal of Victory in Odessa.

All. The headquarters of the Odessa district, which Zhukov at one time commanded. Literally across the road is the territory of the House of Trade Unions. If you look to the left of the bas-relief in the photo, literally in the next building there was once a Russian Consulate. This is the geography

[Avior]

I served Odessa in the 80s.
There were many monuments to Soviet soldiers in Odessa; I took the oath near the monument to the Unknown Sailor, but there was no monument to Zhukov in Odessa.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

There was a memorial plaque there, not a monument.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Ghouls need to be crushed, not grinned at. There must be reflection here, not sarcasm, if you want to live peacefully (in the Urals).

[Kushka]

Quote: Vitauts

The USSR was not an innocent victim. I do not deny the fault of Nazi Germany at the beginning of this war, but let's not forget other facts.
- unprovoked and illegal war of the USSR against Finland
- Annexation of the Baltic countries
- war against Poland
These are all pages of history that cannot be forgotten.
one must not forget the atrocities of the Nazis, but one must not forget what the USSR did before and after the war in the Baltic states and other countries of Eastern Europe.
And please remember - the liberators are sent to their homes after the war. If they remain in the liberated countries, they are no longer liberators, but occupiers.
I bowed my head to the people who died in this war and whose suffering was immeasurable.

Nazi Germany was defeated by those who fell in this war, hundreds of thousands of them lie in
the lands of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Poland, Czechoslovakia. Eternal Glory!
Everlasting memory! Eternal Gratitude! At the cost of their lives they came to Berlin and raised
above the Reichstag, the Victory Banner, survivors of these battles. Eternal Glory to them. Everlasting memory!
But the Central Committee of the CPSU and the VSVG came for them. Do you have an older brother? Let's imagine that he
He saved you when thugs attacked you and wanted to rape you in a perverted form.
Then he stayed to live in your apartment along with a whole arsenal of weapons and began
tell what portraits should hang on your walls and what you should do
May 1st, November 7th and April 22nd. He hung the whole yard first with Lenins, and then
flaxen portraits and stupid slogans. Streets, squares, and avenues demanded
rename in honor of dubious personalities and their cohabitants..
Moreover, if you behaved “wrongly”, you had no chance of success in your career, and
most specialties are not available at all. You were supposed to have relatives
only with his approval and you will be friends only with those whom he points to.
The question is, how would you rate such care from your brother, and in general, how long would you tolerate it?
How did your behavior change when he was near the arsenal and without it?

[Alexfly]

It seems to me that this is not about us, but about Europe. It was the Europeans who reconciled and became friends in the huge EU. I hope it didn't turn out blasphemous. And the USSR, as it was an enemy, remains so...

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Khrushchev needs to say “thank you”
Under the Father of Nations, everything was strictly either straight to the wall or 58 and 25 years
Released from .... to the bastard after the death of Joseph Vissarionovich
So it has sprouted, another generation has grown up (censored)
The maize worker pushed through the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of September 17, 1955. “On the amnesty of Soviet citizens who collaborated with the occupiers during the Great Patriotic War in 1941-1945”
I hope in hell they gave him a separate frying pan and added firewood in time.

[Kushka]

You and I don’t need to bother ourselves with this. Export of corn to Russia 6 million tons,
Export of corn from Ukraine 29 million tons!!! That's a BILLION green-blue.
So he was a VOLUNTARYIST, everyone laughed at him - NO ONE WANTED
sow corn! So, these guys, into whose accounts these billions of dollars come,
YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL HIM THANK YOU every day!

[jaroff]

Export of corn from the USSR. This will be more accurate. Unified transport system. Gas, electricity, utilities, everything was connected and scheduled.
In the USSR, in fact, it was impossible to determine the contribution of each of the republics to the country's economy.
Yes, for statisticalists, there were standards-numbers, but in life, everything is not like that.

[Chever]

Well, there’s nothing new here - the UN likes to average everything out so as not to offend anyone... For me, May 9 is a kind of day of general unity in the country. And much bigger than some dull November 4th

[Reserve buildbat]

It’s just that these days the UN remembers how they worked for Hitler and comes to terms with the fact that their insolent face was smashed
The trouble is that they want to attack Russia again. But then it will not be the “Reich” or the “European Union” that will collapse, but the entire planet will cease to exist.

[Whirlwind]

What kind of reconciliation if, as a result of the Civil War of 1945-1991, they destroyed the USSR and are now standing on our borders, ready for new aggression as soon as they give up the slack..?

[Herman 4223]

And now the question is, why was this resolution not vetoed by our country?

[Oleg Skvortsov]

Let these blue boys from the UN make peace with each other. And the Russian, Soviet soldier is the WINNER. So it was, is and will be!

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Kushka

You and I don’t need to bother ourselves with this. Export of corn to Russia 6 million tons,
Export of corn from Ukraine 29 million tons!!! That's a BILLION green-blue.
So he was a VOLUNTARYIST, everyone laughed at him - NO ONE WANTED
sow corn! So, these guys, into whose accounts these billions of dollars come,
YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL HIM THANK YOU every day!

So take him for yourself, why is he hanging around with the Muscovites?

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Kushka

COMMENTS 

You will still harvest the next harvest

[Shahno]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: AU Ivanov.

And the French resisted. Some. But in the SS Charlemagne division there were more Frenchmen than they participated in the Resistance Movement, and there were probably more White emigrants in it than French citizens.

White emigrants, Jews, Communists and ultra-right French Catholics who did not like the first, second and third - but more Germans than fellow citizens)).

Good move: "White immigrants, Jews, communists and far-right French Catholics,"

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Vitauts

Were there no USSR troops in East Germany?
Latvia was full of your bases

Maybe in the LATVIAN SSR

[jaroff]

I repeat. Already wrote about this.
The representative of the Russian Federation to the UN should begin his report with a list of countries that officially declared war on the USSR in 1941.
And only after that talk about the topic of the report.
The President should do the same when starting his address.
Unfortunately, this is not yet the case.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: AlexFly

It seems to me that this is not about us, but about Europe. It was the Europeans who reconciled and became friends in the huge EU. I hope it didn't turn out blasphemous. And the USSR, as it was an enemy, remains so...

No, they are “partners” For they eat the bread of iniquity and drink the wine of theft...

Proverbs of Solomon 4:17

[7,62x54]

They lost that war against the USSR, and naturally they want to count on reconciliation and forgiveness.

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

Quote: Herman 4223

And now the question is, why was this resolution not vetoed by our country?

On November 24, 2004, the UN General Assembly, by its resolution No. A/RES/59/26, proclaimed May 8 and 9 Days of remembrance and reconciliation (Time of remembrance and reconciliation).Excerpt from the speech of the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN A.I. Denisova:

“We are proud that the peoples of our countries made a decisive contribution to achieving victory and saving humanity from Nazi enslavement. We pay tribute to the enormous role that all states of the anti-Hitler coalition played in the defeat of fascism. Many tens of millions of people gave their lives in the name of achieving Victory.

Today we bow our heads to the memory of those who died on the battlefields and in death camps, in cities and villages. We all owe a huge debt to those who fell in the just struggle for human freedom and dignity. We pay tribute to the veterans of the Second World War.” Where are the words of prayer?

[Lyudmila Kostargina]

And one last thing. Regarding "expressing respect to all fighters against Nazism." Unfortunately, even those who are not worthy to walk on this earth now fall under this formulation. Who became a “fighter” when he saw that the Third Reich was collapsing. Before this, these “fighters” ate German schnapps and followed the commands of their masters.

[Chingachguk]

I agree with you one hundred percent!!!!!!

[Chingachguk]

Ghouls all want to be on the same level as normal people.....

[vkd.dvk]

And who is the UN itself stuffed with? The same underdog fascists. From Americans to Ukrainians. Enumerating the letters is not enough. Didn’t the French fight alongside the Germans in the SS and defend the Reich Chancellery? Hundreds of thousands. Spaniards. Italians. all the bastards of Eastern Europe. From Czechs to Norwegians. Brothers, once freed from the yoke, and even then.... But won’t they make peace with themselves? If you laugh, of course they will make peace. Zhukov understood this mold well, saying that they would never forgive us for their liberation.

[PValery53]

In order to “reconcile” the fascists with their victims, the fascists (and their henchmen) must be buried in the ground.

[ork_333]

We have no one to reconcile with. We did not attack, but defended ourselves. Even with Finland they repeatedly tried to first come to an agreement in order to move the border a little further from Leningrad. So it’s pointless to make claims against the current generation of Germans, but there’s a whole load of claims against the fascists of the Great Patriotic War. And no one is going to put up with them.

[1536]

In the Czech Republic, in the country formations in the Baltic states, in lordly Poland and similar countries, no one is going to “reconcile” with Russia. And there is even less reason for the Russian Federation to reconcile with the main allied states in the anti-Hitler coalition, since together they beat the fascists and their henchmen. The UN simply does not want a conflict to arise again between any coalitions of countries, so that no one sets their sights on Russian territory and prepares an attack on it. The same applies to planned attacks on other countries that for some reason do not respond to the “demands” of various kinds of “democracies,” for example, Iran or Venezuela.
So let the various other Swedes not even think about trying on a new campaign to the East.

[keeper03]

There will be no reconciliation between the fascist vermin and European tolerance!!!
Great Victory Day and only like that!!!
UN It has long outlived its usefulness and has become a mouthpiece for the propaganda of World imperialism!!!

[kieferandreas]

Yes, send everyone who tries to do this away, all my life I celebrated the Victory Day of the Great Patriotic War on MAY 9 and I will celebrate on MAY 9, but I don’t want to know what they are celebrating.

[Procyon lotor]

Indeed, how can you put up with those NKVD thugs who shot the Poles in Katyn and tortured people in the Gulag. With those looters, Red Army soldiers who raped and robbed in the “liberated” countries? The question is extremely difficult.

[Growlers]

International organizations have been dominated by American officials since the 90s. That’s right, not the American state but American officials. They use them, international organizations, for their own selfish purposes. After all, both the Tribaltic nonentities and Ukraine are in the power of these officials.

[aglet]

Quote: Courier

Britain was the longest at war with the Reich. These are facts, not your Soviet propaganda

this is now called - fought? In what places, I wonder? From London to Berlin - 900 km, from London to Tripoli - 3000 km, but they fought in Tripoli, it’s easier and safer there, and there are very few Germans - that’s a fact

[aglet]

Quote: Procyon Lotor

Well, actually it’s not that the USSR fought, but on the back, supplied Germany and occupied Poland together.

The Soviet Union supplied Germany, according to the trade agreement, exactly until June 22, 1941. The USA supplied Germany until May 9, 1945 (through front men, of course - Sweden, Portugal, Spain), and we did not occupy Poland, we took back what the Poles captured during the years of unrest - 1918-1920, the Curzon line, you are familiar with this concept ?

[aglet]

Quote: victor50

I'm not talking about those who resisted even after surrendering

resistance in France began on June 6, 1944 in Normandy, and then, almost, the beginning spread throughout France