It became known about the three victims of a hard landing Mi-35 in the Crimea

From Crimea, there are reports of a hard landing by helicopter Mi-35. According to recent reports, a hard landing occurred in the area of ​​the city of Dzhankoy.

Information Service Interfax reports that the Mi-35 helicopter performed a planned flight. During a hard landing, the military personnel on board the rotorcraft were seriously affected. According to the latest data, three people are hospitalized. It is noted that their condition is serious.

The flight was carried out as planned. About how maintainable the helicopter after making a hard landing, is currently not reported.

It is known that a hard landing occurred on the territory of a military airfield. However, there is no data on at what stage of the flight this happened - at the initial or at the final.

According to the latest information, a commission is being formed that will find out all the circumstances of what happened. It is not reported what causes of the incident are considered as priority.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

It happens ... Technique ... Everyone is alive, and ladlets. Recovery soon.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I join in the wish for a speedy recovery.

[Pete mitchell]

Recovery and to families, full recovery.
It happens ... the piece of iron is also a pity

[UAZ 452]

The pilot, unfortunately, has died. God forbid, the list of losses will not increase.

[not main]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It happens ... Technique ... Everyone is alive, and ladlets. Recovery soon.

Unfortunately, one has already passed away. Condolences to relatives and friends.

[demchuk.ig]

Mountain shooter] It happens ... Technique ... Everyone is alive, and ladlets. Recovery soon.
Behind any failure of technology is a man.

[Pvi1206]

something too often our helicopters make a hard landing ... equipment failure or inept pilots? ...

[alone]

Quote: Pvi1206

equipment failure or inept pilots? ...

You never can tell

[Bshkaus]

You never can tell

In conclusion about the reasons for LP, you suggest writing down "anything can happen."
Such "Anything" should not happen!
It is necessary to burn out these "reasons" with a hot iron in order to save lives

[alone]

Quote: Bshkaus

In conclusion about the reasons for LP, you suggest writing down "anything can happen."

I am not suggesting to write down "anything can happen" .. A question was asked .. about the reasons for a hard landing .. Equipment failure and inept pilots .. And I answered: Anything happens. Nobody knows the true reason yet. Do you know?

[Bshkaus]

And I answered

I have to publicly apologize, I read your "anything can happen" with the wrong intonation))).

[alone]

Apologies are accepted... I wish all the best

[Terenin]

Quote: Pvi1206

something too often our helicopters make a hard landing ... equipment failure or inept pilots? ...

Of course, where there is little equipment, or it is in the hangars, and there are fewer incidents.

[Pvi1206]

everything is known by comparison ... when a flight accident occurs in the USA, we find out almost the first ... but such messages are rare ... and we have it several times a year ...

[bober1982]

Quote: Pvi1206

everything is known by comparison ... when a flight accident occurs in the USA, we find out almost the first ... but such messages are rare ... and we have it several times a year ...

29.04.2020/124/XNUMX, that is, a little over a week ago, the Canadian Sikorcky CH-XNUMX helicopter, NATO-owned, crashed in the Ionian Sea, killed six people, heard about this news?

[UAZ 452]

The Yankees also have enough air crashes in the Air Force, not everyone, as you think, is written about us.

[orionvitt]

I am not a pilot (pilots only in civil aviation, in the army there are pilots), but in the process of testing aircraft engines (my specialty), I have seen enough of everything, good without a large number of deaths. And what can we say about those who fly, how many factors can affect the negative outcome of flights, it's just not to count. So your type of "irony"

failure of equipment or inept pilots? ..

absolutely not the topic.

[Pvi1206]

strange reaction to my comment ... this is not irony and not an attempt to humiliate anyone ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Pvi1206

all too often our helicopters make a hard landing

Are these your words? Weak attempt to manipulate. People (pilots, professionals) are doing their job, for which they honor and praise. Everything is good, only for those who do nothing, and that is very relative.

[Pvi1206]

I just state a fact ... and I’m not distorting anything ... Be healthy and good luck to you ...

[Bshkaus]

strange reaction to my comment ... this is not irony and not an attempt to humiliate anyone ...

I would say not strange, but "not adequate".
Accept my solidarity!
Maybe just a phrase

or inept pilots?

it would be better to replace with "not experienced enough". or commonplace "pilot error"

[dmmyak40]

We have always said this: those who fly (navigator, flight mechanics / engineers, airborne operators) are pilots (about flight attendants - a separate issue). But the FAC and VP are pilots (and part-time pilots, but without surcharge).

[bober1982]

Quote: dmmyak40

We always said so

The Air Force officially adopted, as follows:
- pilots and navigators, this is a flight crew.
- flight engineers, flight engineers, radio operators, this is a flight-lifting crew.
Unofficially, everyone was a pilot.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

pilots and navigators, this is the flight crew.

Absolutely NOT TRUE !!!!! 9 even surprised ... honestly)

Order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of September 24.09.2004, 275 N 10.11.2004 On approval of the Federal Aviation Rules for the Operation of State Aviation Flights (Registered in the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation on November 6110, XNUMX N XNUMX)> Appendix. FEDERAL AVIATION RULES FOR PRODUCTION OF STATE AVIATION FLIGHTS> II. Flight Personnel, Aircraft Crew, Inspections and Permits>Flight crew, aircraft crew

Flight crew, aircraft crew

21. The flight crew includes pilots, navigators, cadets (students) of flying schools and other officials who have the relevant specialty, who are fit for medical work and who carry out functional duties in flight as part of the crew in accordance with the RLE.

22. The crew of a state aircraft consists of a flight crew and a cabin crew. The flight crew includes the flight crew participating in the piloting and navigation of the aircraft. Cabin crew includes flight personnel operating aircraft systems and equipment. The composition of the crew of the state aircraft is determined by the RLE of the aircraft. The pilot is assigned as the crew commander.

The crew is determined by order (planned flight table) of the corresponding commander (chief), organizing flights.

Flights should be carried out, as a rule, by the full crew.

Reduced crew is allowed to perform flights, if required by the Flight Manual, the test or research program of the aircraft.

23. The composition of the crew performing the long-haul flight, by the decision of the commander of the aviation unit, may additionally include a pilot, navigator and on-board engineer (technician) if the required starting time for the flight exceeds 14 hours, and there are places for the second flight crew to rest. If there is a second set of flight crew, the commander of the reinforced (double) crew is appointed by the commander who sets the mission for the flight, indicating his name in the application for the flight.

24. The crew may include inspectors (instructors).

The total number of inspectors (instructors) of the flight personnel should not be more than two.

25. Inspector (instructor) - a pilot who performs verification or training of a pilot (cadet-pilot) in flight is the senior crew member. He is responsible for the safety of the flight, regardless of whether he personally manages the aircraft or transferred control to the inspected (trained) pilot.

26. The inspector (instructor) in the specialty (except for the pilot), who performs verification or training of crew members in flight, reports to the crew commander and is responsible for the crew performing work and ensuring flight safety in their specialty.

[bober1982]

And what you were so surprised at is not clear, at the time of this order (2004) I had been retired for almost ten years. How, whom and by whom they now consider - it doesn’t concern me anymore, he said, as it was, in the Soviet Air Force
For some reason you "published" the entire order, a lot of unnecessary things - some inspectors, instructors, additional crews and so on. What is all this for?
Once again, the pilot and navigator relate to the flight crew, the rest (I will not list), to the flight-lifting.
If the cadet is a pilot, then it’s clear what applies to the flight crew, which is explained here.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

said, as it was, in the Soviet Air Force

This was NEVER ... from the word .. NEVER

Approved by Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR
26 декабря 1961 года
SSR AIR CODE

Chapter three

AIRCRAFT CREW

Article 18. The crew of the aircraft consists of the commander, other persons of the flight personnel and maintenance personnel.

Will such a document work? .. I hope they have not forgotten?

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

Will such a document work? .. I hope they have not forgotten?

For the first time I hear about such a thing that you are looking for any dregs, the waitress from the flight canteen, it turns out, was assigned to the crew as maintenance staff. Do not tell.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

For the first time I hear about such a thing that you seek out every dregs

You do not know what is VK ???? and you don’t know what is AKP, NPP and NSh?
No words ... some ... "definitions"

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

Once again, the pilot and navigator relate to the flight crew, the rest (I will not list), to the flight-lifting.

Is that .. "obstinacy" or ...... "just forgot"?
And your "definition" is .. cool ... "some order"
What about "this ... order"?

USSR MINISTRY OF DEFENSE
BASIC RULES
FLIGHTS IN THE AIR SPACE OF THE USSR
OPP - 85
Effective December 1, 1985 by order of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief
July 3, 1985 No. 161
MOSCOW WAR PUBLISHING HOUSE 1985
With the entry into force of these Basic Rules for Flights in the Air
space of the USSR (OPP - 85) previously published Basic Flight Rules in the Air
USSR space for aviation of all departments (OPP - 77), put into effect by order
Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force 1977 No. 90 and orders of the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force 1980 No. 175,
1983 No. 162 and 1984 No. 50 are no longer valid and subject to destruction on the ground in
the established order.
Chapter 1
DEFINITIONS
Flight crew - persons with special training and performing their
functional responsibilities in flight as part of a piloting crew,
navigation, operation of the aircraft, its systems and equipment

[bober1982]

Dear comrade, the knowledge of Chapter 1 of the OPP-85 did not affect the quality of take-off and landing, I repeat once again - the pilot and navigator, this is the flight crew, the rest are flight-lifting.
I can only agree that in 2004 there were cabin crews, because they simply did not fly at that time, apparently they only did what they sat in the cabins.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

Dear comrade, knowledge of Chapter 1 of OPP-85 did not affect the quality of take-off and landing

Well, yes ... and "100 grams ... the calculation does not affect."

Quote: bober1982

I repeat once again - the pilot and navigator, this is the flight crew, the rest are flight-lifting.

This is your "costs" of service in the FBA.

[bober1982]

I now more meaningfully read this whole billiard in the order, but what is the difference? They called the flight crew, cabin crew. Umora. Have you been allowed to go to preflight directions?

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

On preflight directions began to let?

For pre-flight directions .. ALL life went either to pilots or as a navigator and pilot (in the FBA and YES and SA).
I understand ... that you are .. "not comfortable" .. so let's "zamnem" for clarity .... otherwise you clearly see the line "flyers and techno" ....

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

For pre-flight directions .. ALL life went either to pilots or as a navigator and pilot (in the FBA and YES and SA).
I understand ... that you are .. "not comfortable" .. so let's "zamnem" for clarity .... otherwise you clearly see the line "flyers and techno" ....

So, in the FBA - a pilot and a navigator, who else had to go all his life, as you noticed.
What is inconvenient for me, it’s not entirely clear, and what kind of line I have seen, is also not clear, no need to fantasize.
All the best.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

So, in the FBA - a pilot and a navigator, who else had to go all his life, as you noticed.

So yes, but "long aviation", for example, where there are 3, or 4 or 6-7 crew members (namely in the dA, and not in the SA), only k.k and sh.k. go there (for except for the cases when you go to the RP (on the route) or Fly over the RTS and RP in the airfield area .... there is also the entire front cabin ... was present).

Quote: bober1982

What is inconvenient for me is not entirely clear, and what is my line

You are trying to ... "ignore" Guidance documents regulating flight operations

Quote: bober1982

All the best.

And I wish you the same

[bober1982]

And, my respect for you, I sincerely say. In any case, it was not boring.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

And, my respect for you, I sincerely say. In any case, it was not boring.

[Nastia makarova]

you generally do not fly in Ukraine

[Bshkaus]

something too often our helicopters make a hard landing ... equipment failure or inept pilots? ...

And from those who instructed Pvi1206 minuses, can they explain to me why?
Do we have that equipment failure cannot be by definition, or flight schools release hardened "aces" at once? Nobody has ever canceled pilot mistakes either.
Just do not say that again, NATO is to blame.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pvi1206

something already too often our helicopters make a hard landing.

"Too often" compared to whom? Those who do not fly do not have hard landings.

[alex aircraft]

I’ll tell you frankly that the turntable is lost, it cannot be restored. alas, but -1 as part of the VVS.a what h pilot soo 27? even found?

[helmi8]

Quote: Alex aircraft

I’ll tell you frankly that the turntable is lost, it cannot be restored.

Is not a fact. If the frames are intact, then everything can do without replacing the tail and keel beams, the transmission shaft (if twisting has occurred). In the worst case, also gearboxes. But this is in case the helicopter does not tip over on its side.

[igor67]

Quote: helmi8

Quote: Alex aircraft

I’ll tell you frankly that the turntable is lost, it cannot be restored.

Is not a fact. If the frames are intact, then everything can do without replacing the tail and keel beams, the transmission shaft (if twisting has occurred). In the worst case, also gearboxes. But this is in case the helicopter does not tip over on its side.

again, not a fact, to determine the suitability of a machine, it is put in the flight position and not leveled,

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it is put in a flight position and is not leveled .... I say, I live next to Jongkong (well, that's what we call him local). I still did not hear the buzz of the twerkers today. The day before yesterday, yes. the rules were running, maybe it was not today but the day before yesterday? the day before yesterday everyone left and came back in pairs, it will be necessary to find out what is there and how

[helmi8]

Leveling after a rough landing is carried out in any case, even if there is no visible damage ...

[igor67]

Quote: helmi8

Leveling after a rough landing is carried out in any case, even if there is no visible damage ...

the leveling did the same (is it done?) during the overhaul, the car was rolled up and the emergency workers did the non-leveling, and then everything else, in my practice there were two hard-landing cars, one Afghan (ed. 243), and the second one went to Kremenchug, as they forgot connect the spare hanging tanks, and after all the checks, the car sat down firmly from a height of 50 meters, both cars were put back into operation

[demo]

I did not see any information about the missing pilot.
Missing man.

[NN52]

alex aircraft (alexander)

"Found". And already chipped in to the family .. with three children .. do not worry.

[Nastia makarova]

do not care about the turntable, they are still riveted, but the pilot is 100 times more valuable

[kjhg]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

do not care about the turntable, they are still riveted, but the pilot is 100 times more valuable

In what respect? Financially? In the moral? In the capitalist system, of which I am an adversary, everything has a price. And if you look at your comparisons, then you estimated the life of the pilot at least $ 1,5 billion, based on the price of an airplane of $ 15 million. To say that this amount is exaggerated is to say nothing.

[Voyager]

It will begin now. Another holiday with the brothers

[kjhg]

I hope that at least during the performance of your conjugal duty you do not remember them? The holiday is only among the stubborn. Most - in parallel, and some even sympathize with the victims.

[Voyager]

I wonder how you measure how the majority, minority, and so on thinks (or does not think)? I periodically follow their news, because the reaction is as it is: the majority sincerely rejoices at our losses and casualties, both among the military and among civilians.

[2 Level Advisor]

why do you follow them? I have scored them for a year now and am not interested .. and on what sites? on the censor and other Bender? Well then, your opinion is understandable and logical .. there really is a kingdom of horses ... you need to communicate with people, Andrey, with people .. with the living .. they are from the censor oh how far ..

[Lord of the Sith]

Such a streamlined wording "hard landing", you see a bird blurted out.
The crew will recover soon, and the commission will figure out what the problem is, negligence or equipment failure.

[not main]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Such a streamlined wording "hard landing", you see a bird blurted out.
The crew will recover soon, and the commission will figure out what the problem is, negligence or equipment failure.

I put a minus for the wrong attitude to the crew! They clatter ... and the pilots fight until they land! Even if it is "tough"!

[Lord of the Sith]

Yes Yes. Heroically fought. And you sorry, did you hold a candle? Did you see how it was? But in fact, what happened?
What kind of infantility. It may well be that the crooked paws of the heroic crew brought to the accident.

[not main]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Yes Yes. Heroically fought. And you sorry, did you hold a candle? Did you see how it was? But in fact, what happened?
What kind of infantility. It may well be that the crooked paws of the heroic crew brought to the accident.

Did you fly up in the air? What would you argue now? Remember and drive yourself into the brain (if you have one), the crew is fighting for life to the last!

[Lord of the Sith]

Like a regular car driver in a pre-emergency situation. Truth?
To understand this, you do not need to be a pilot.

[not main]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Like a regular car driver in a pre-emergency situation. Truth?
To understand this, you do not need to be a pilot.

I do not want to upset you, but ... I have no words! Compare cars with LA is something! Have you ever heard of the three dimensional space?

[Lord of the Sith]

I have heard about three-dimensional space, not about "three-dimensional space".
On Space, hahaha

Pron, n., m. r (Social networks, Internet)

Meaning:
Pornography.

Ayayayay))

[not main]

That's all your sunshine!

[Lord of the Sith]

Sunshine

[DVR]

In "propriety" "three dimensions" is an ordinary phenomenon)
A joke, typos - everyday business, no one is safe.

[fighter angel]

Bullshit shit ...
An eternal flight to the departed, a speedy recovery to the other two.
May God grant them to recover and not to appoint the guys "extreme" in this disaster ...
And God forbid, they will also make you pay for a helicopter ...
Our army is now "capital" ...