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In Poland, a decision was made to purchase the Wolverine armored personnel carrier

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In Poland, a decision was made to purchase the Wolverine armored personnel carrier

The calculations of anti-tank systems (ATGMs) from the Polish army will receive their own means of transportation. According to the portal janes.com, the Ministry of Defense of Poland decided to purchase wheeled armored personnel carriers Rosomak-S (Wolverine).


Polish Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak announced plans to purchase 60 wheeled Rosomak-S armored personnel carriers in an unarmed version specifically for the transport of ATGM calculations. It is planned that a contract for the supply of vehicles with Rosomak SA (a subsidiary of Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa) will be signed before the end of this year. Armored personnel carriers planned for delivery will be specially modified to fulfill the tasks of transporting ATGMs. Each vehicle must accommodate two ATGM crews, two Spike LR launchers and eight missiles in the airborne compartment.

Delivery dates of armored vehicles are not reported.

The wheeled armored personnel carrier Rosomak-S (Wolverine) is the Polish version of the AMV vehicle created by the Finnish company Patria Vehicles Oy. Patria won the tender, which ended in December in 2002. In 2003, an agreement was signed on the supply of nearly 1 thousand military vehicles, the assembly of which is carried out at Polish enterprises. On the basis of the Finnish Patria AMV in Poland, a whole family of armored vehicles for various purposes has been created. The name "Wolverine" was chosen as a result of a competition announced in the magazine "New Military Equipment" (Nowa Technika Wojskowa).
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  1. knn54
    knn54 7 May 2020 15: 03 New
    -9
    -in unarmed version specifically for the transportation of anti-tank systems.
    What a GREAT target. And if the ammunition also "detonates" ...
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 7 May 2020 15: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      What a GREAT target. And if the ammunition also "detonates" ...

      Yes, yes ... still say that there are no handrails on the roof and it will be inconvenient for infantry to ride on it lol
      As they say --- ay! "Boomerang"!
      1. knn54
        knn54 7 May 2020 16: 41 New
        -14
        "On the armor" is only in Russia. Well, among the Yankes ... in Hollywood.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2020 16: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      -in unarmed version specifically for the transportation of anti-tank systems.

      This is actually an analogue of the Airborne "Robot" S ATGM for a generation younger.
      And the absence of any machine gun can be caused by the same reasons why the "Robot" is not armed - the calculations may be able to shoot from the open upper hatches of the car
      1. Graz
        Graz 7 May 2020 18: 25 New
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        why bother with a garden, why not immediately make an exterminator of tanks with remote installation of these missiles or extendable from the vehicle’s body on the basis of an armored personnel carrier?
        for me so dope all this
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2020 18: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Graz
          why bother with a garden, why not immediately make an exterminator of tanks with remote installation of these missiles or extendable from the vehicle’s body on the basis of an armored personnel carrier?

          It makes no sense.
          The maximum firing range is too small.
          Self-assembled Spike-LR and loyally purchased Javelins for pedestrian crews.
          "Spike-ER" for installation on linear "Wolverines"
          Well, "Spike-NLOS" for "tank destroyers
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 19: 49 New
            +1
            Is 4000 meters a short range for self-propelled anti-tank systems? Come on. Moreover, in the new versions of Spike LR, the range is generally 5500.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 May 2020 19: 52 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Is 4000 meters a short range for self-propelled anti-tank systems?

              Yes.
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 20: 03 New
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                The "Shturm" has a firing range of 5 km, the newest "Chrysanthemum" has 5 km. Not so much more to talk about total superiority. Again, if Israel sold a license to the Poles for new LR missiles, then it will generally exceed.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 May 2020 20: 13 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  "Shturm" has a firing range of 5 km

                  At the unmodernized "Sturm"
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  near the newest "Chrysanthemum" 5 km

                  9M123-2 6000 meters

                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Again, if Israel sold the Poles a license for the new LR missiles, it would generally surpass.

                  laughing
                  It is not necessary to compare with self-propelled anti-tank systems. but with tanks. Already now it is not less than 5000 meters. Tank guided projectile.
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 20: 56 New
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                    Well, for five kilometers and they shoot with an ordinary tank shell. And even fall. But for guided shooting, good weather conditions are needed, laser guidance in rain / snow / fog / dust works sucks. And even external target designation, which allows the same LAHAT shells to shoot for 8 km, does not always help.
                    In addition, 4-5.5 km for a self-propelled ATGM is quite enough, especially for a complex that can shoot from closed positions thanks to television guidance and the possibility of using GOS.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 7 May 2020 21: 00 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Well, for five kilometers and they shoot with an ordinary tank shell. And even fall.

                      In SPTRK? And from what a dozen times?

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Laser guidance in rain / snow / fog / dust

                      I recall that the rangefinders on the tanks are also laser. And if they stop working, then the IR GOS will not function even more so.

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      the same LAHAT shells

                      Do not confuse laser beam control and illumination for a projectile / rocket with semi-active LGSN.

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      In addition, 4-5.5 km for self-propelled anti-tank systems is enough

                      Enough to get under the fire of tanks. And be destroyed before the first shot.
                      1. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 21: 18 New
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                        A) Two or three projectiles hit a stationary target. From a tank gun. Ordinary shell.
                        C) I know what rangefinders are on tanks. And switching the mode from tele-homing to homing (and not necessarily IR) can be done in flight.
                        C) I don’t confuse anything. In LAHAT, guidance is not on the beam, but on the marker from a rangefinder or external target designation.
                        D) To destroy, you must first find the target. And "Spikes" can shoot out of line of sight, thanks to the guidance system.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 May 2020 21: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        A) Two or three projectiles hit a stationary target. From a tank gun. Ordinary shell.

                        At a distance of five km? Someone misled you with your hunting tales

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        C) I know what rangefinders are on tanks. And switching the mode from tele-homing to homing (and not necessarily IR) can be done in flight.

                        In order to have a flight. the rocket must be launched. On purpose. And given that the weather is so bad that even an IR laser cannot break through ... Do you suggest launching a sound?
                        laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        C) I don’t confuse anything. In LAHAT, guidance is not on the beam, but on the marker from a rangefinder or external target designation.

                        And Russian tank guided missiles have laser beam. That is, the receiver in the stern of the rocket and no external target designation


                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        D) To destroy, you must first find the target.

                        Will detect.
                        Although you can, together with Poland, try to prohibit Russia from using intelligence. because "so dishonest"
                        laughing
                      3. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 21: 54 New
                        +1
                        Well, shooting at three kilometers and getting from the first shell I personally observed. Moreover, firing was carried out without the use of ballistic computers, a purely optical sight.
                        The missiles are launched in the direction of the target, after which they point in the picture from the camera on the rocket, and after hitting the target they turn on homing. Or, in case the target is in line of sight, homing include immediately.
                        I know what your ATGM guidance is. I heard instructions on the "Cornet" and methods of countermeasures (by chance, it was conducted for tankers, and not for infantry like me). Our guidance is different.
                        You can detect with UAVs. But you can hit only in direct visibility. Due to the features of the guidance system of guided tank shells of Russian production.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 May 2020 22: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Well shooting for three kilometers

                        And shooting five kilometers is two more.

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        and hit from the first shell

                        I once with a closed OP from the first shell hit the target column. The grimaces of the Theory of Probability.

                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Missiles launch towards the target

                        Direction to target - by sound?
                        Once again, the weather is like that. that the IR laser does not penetrate the atmosphere. You yourself indicated.



                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        You can detect with UAVs. But you can hit only in direct visibility. Due to the features of the guidance system of guided tank shells of Russian production.

                        Theoretically and sphero-window. laughing
                        However, given the fact that for every battalion of the first echelon of the RF Armed Forces there is a 152-mm artillery division ... This does not really matter.
                        This is precisely why the Poles are not obnoxious. And they put on their armored personnel carriers much longer-range "Spike ER"
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 9 May 2020 04: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Spade
      It makes no sense.
      The maximum firing range is too small.

      Then decipher the meaning of creating this technique:

      The Polish version of an armored personnel carrier without weapons is an ordinary armored lorry. Is it so necessary for the army?
  2. orionvitt
    orionvitt 7 May 2020 19: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Graz
    for me so dope all this

    Exactly. Box on wheels. What's the point?
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 19: 42 New
    -2
    And who is bothering to add another module with a machine gun? It weighs a little, management is simple.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2020 19: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      And who is bothering to add another module with a machine gun?

      Sector closes

      Here on a swivel, but for the "Spike-LR" it is not needed.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 19: 46 New
        -2
        Well, not so much he will block.
  • Former naval person
    Former naval person 7 May 2020 15: 34 New
    0
    very old news. and not a word about the scandals that accompanied the purchase and launch of the Patria / Wolverine.
  • cradle
    cradle 7 May 2020 15: 38 New
    -3
    in an unarmed version ... laughing straight balm for the soul! They will arrive on the battlefield in ready-made coffins, so as not to bother with disposal ... the main thing is to insulate with polystyrene laughing
  • Asad
    Asad 7 May 2020 15: 56 New
    +1
    As the name doesn’t combine! Wolverine, an evil aggressive animal, is not afraid of anyone in the taiga! And then an armored personnel carrier without weapons, it will be breaking from every bush!
  • ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 7 May 2020 16: 02 New
    0
    It is strange that it is supposed to be used only as a minibus. But the starting Spike or standard fasteners for it on Wolverine itself begs. Although it seems that the hatch there is provided only for the driver.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2020 17: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS_51
      full-time fasteners for her at Wolverine itself.

      Meaning?

      Enough open hatch
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      2. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 7 May 2020 17: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade

        Enough open hatch

        Which is not. Here I am about it.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2020 17: 30 New
          0
          Quote: ROSS_51
          Which is not.

          ?
          1. ROSS_51
            ROSS_51 7 May 2020 17: 35 New
            0
            Is there anything? Then sorry)
          2. cost
            cost 7 May 2020 19: 35 New
            +5
            Here in this photo the hatches are clearly visible
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 7 May 2020 18: 48 New
    +2
    Something the psheks hit in shopping)))) and F - 35, and the Patriot, and the leopard, there are still some nishtyaki. I’m embarrassed to ask - is there enough penens?
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 19: 50 New
      +2
      Enough. A couple more TV assembly plants will open, and that's all.
      1. yfast
        yfast 7 May 2020 21: 22 New
        -1
        And what, they have a very low assembly cost of thermal imagers?
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 7 May 2020 21: 25 New
          -1
          Not thermal imagers, but TVs. Poland has become an assembly workshop for many global manufacturers of household appliances.
          1. LKW UE
            LKW UE 7 May 2020 23: 38 New
            0
            As I understand it, here many underestimate Poland, consider it a sort of country for growing apples ... In fact, as a truck driver, I can say that the Poles did not take out loans, but correctly invested in production, roads, infrastructure and the economy. Poland already resembles Germany in terms of development.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 8 May 2020 00: 42 New
              -1
              Keyword - reminds.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 8 May 2020 11: 22 New
        0
        And how does the assembly of televisions, microwaves and refrigerators, from Chinese spare parts, affect the production of armored vehicles?
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 8 May 2020 23: 27 New
          0
          Jobs, trained workforce, investment in industrial development. And by the way, the details there are far from Chinese.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 10 May 2020 11: 11 New
            0
            Screwdriver assembly - does not provide skilled workers. The workers there are mainly banderlogs, psheks left for Germany and England.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 10 May 2020 12: 55 New
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              The reality is very different from the picture built in the imagination. Let me remind you that the Soviet auto industry also began with the "screwdriver assembly" of Ford cars in Nizhny Novgorod.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 10 May 2020 16: 34 New
                0
                So I live in Ukraine, sometimes I am in Poland on business. So this is not imagination, it is a sad reality.
  • aries2200
    aries2200 7 May 2020 22: 16 New
    0
    Well, if you weld a box from the top .. it’s going to go fishing and fishing
  • Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 7 May 2020 22: 22 New
    +1
    The usual conveyor turned out.
    Without protection, he is stupidly a target and a target.
    No time to set the calculation.
  • yfast
    yfast 8 May 2020 00: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Not thermal imagers, but TVs.

    My cant.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 May 2020 08: 58 New
    0
    And how does it relate in size to the Kurgan and Boomerang?