In Poland, a decision was made to purchase the Wolverine armored personnel carrier

The calculations of anti-tank systems (ATGMs) from the Polish army will receive their own means of transportation. According to the portal janes.com, the Ministry of Defense of Poland decided to purchase wheeled armored personnel carriers Rosomak-S (Wolverine).

Polish Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak announced plans to purchase 60 wheeled Rosomak-S armored personnel carriers in an unarmed version specifically for the transport of ATGM calculations. It is planned that a contract for the supply of vehicles with Rosomak SA (a subsidiary of Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa) will be signed before the end of this year. Armored personnel carriers planned for delivery will be specially modified to fulfill the tasks of transporting ATGMs. Each vehicle must accommodate two ATGM crews, two Spike LR launchers and eight missiles in the airborne compartment.

Delivery dates of armored vehicles are not reported.

The wheeled armored personnel carrier Rosomak-S (Wolverine) is the Polish version of the AMV vehicle created by the Finnish company Patria Vehicles Oy. Patria won the tender, which ended in December in 2002. In 2003, an agreement was signed on the supply of nearly 1 thousand military vehicles, the assembly of which is carried out at Polish enterprises. On the basis of the Finnish Patria AMV in Poland, a whole family of armored vehicles for various purposes has been created. The name "Wolverine" was chosen as a result of a competition announced in the magazine "New Military Equipment" (Nowa Technika Wojskowa).

Comments

[knn54]

-in unarmed version specifically for the transportation of anti-tank systems.
What a GREAT target. And if the ammunition also "detonates" ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: knn54

What a GREAT target. And if the ammunition also "detonates" ...

Yes, yes ... still say that there are no handrails on the roof and it will be inconvenient for infantry to ride on it
As they say --- ay! "Boomerang"!

[knn54]

"On the armor" is only in Russia. Well, among the Yankes ... in Hollywood.

[Lopatov]

Quote: knn54

-in unarmed version specifically for the transportation of anti-tank systems.

This is actually an analogue of the Airborne "Robot" S ATGM for a generation younger.
And the absence of any machine gun can be caused by the same reasons why the "Robot" is not armed - the calculations may be able to shoot from the open upper hatches of the car

[Graz]

why bother with a garden, why not immediately make an exterminator of tanks with remote installation of these missiles or extendable from the vehicle’s body on the basis of an armored personnel carrier?
for me so dope all this

[Lopatov]

Quote: Graz

why bother with a garden, why not immediately make an exterminator of tanks with remote installation of these missiles or extendable from the vehicle’s body on the basis of an armored personnel carrier?

It makes no sense.
The maximum firing range is too small.
Self-assembled Spike-LR and loyally purchased Javelins for pedestrian crews.
"Spike-ER" for installation on linear "Wolverines"
Well, "Spike-NLOS" for "tank destroyers

[Zeev Zeev]

Is 4000 meters a short range for self-propelled anti-tank systems? Come on. Moreover, in the new versions of Spike LR, the range is generally 5500.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Is 4000 meters a short range for self-propelled anti-tank systems?

Yes.

[Zeev Zeev]

The "Shturm" has a firing range of 5 km, the newest "Chrysanthemum" has 5 km. Not so much more to talk about total superiority. Again, if Israel sold a license to the Poles for new LR missiles, then it will generally exceed.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

"Shturm" has a firing range of 5 km

At the unmodernized "Sturm"

Quote: Zeev Zeev

near the newest "Chrysanthemum" 5 km

9M123-2 6000 meters

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Again, if Israel sold the Poles a license for the new LR missiles, it would generally surpass.

It is not necessary to compare with self-propelled anti-tank systems. but with tanks. Already now it is not less than 5000 meters. Tank guided projectile.

[Zeev Zeev]

Well, for five kilometers and they shoot with an ordinary tank shell. And even fall. But for guided shooting, good weather conditions are needed, laser guidance in rain / snow / fog / dust works sucks. And even external target designation, which allows the same LAHAT shells to shoot for 8 km, does not always help.
In addition, 4-5.5 km for a self-propelled ATGM is quite enough, especially for a complex that can shoot from closed positions thanks to television guidance and the possibility of using GOS.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Well, for five kilometers and they shoot with an ordinary tank shell. And even fall.

In SPTRK? And from what a dozen times?

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Laser guidance in rain / snow / fog / dust

I recall that the rangefinders on the tanks are also laser. And if they stop working, then the IR GOS will not function even more so.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

the same LAHAT shells

Do not confuse laser beam control and illumination for a projectile / rocket with semi-active LGSN.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

In addition, 4-5.5 km for self-propelled anti-tank systems is enough

Enough to get under the fire of tanks. And be destroyed before the first shot.

[Zeev Zeev]

A) Two or three projectiles hit a stationary target. From a tank gun. Ordinary shell.
C) I know what rangefinders are on tanks. And switching the mode from tele-homing to homing (and not necessarily IR) can be done in flight.
C) I don’t confuse anything. In LAHAT, guidance is not on the beam, but on the marker from a rangefinder or external target designation.
D) To destroy, you must first find the target. And "Spikes" can shoot out of line of sight, thanks to the guidance system.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

A) Two or three projectiles hit a stationary target. From a tank gun. Ordinary shell.

At a distance of five km? Someone misled you with your hunting tales

Quote: Zeev Zeev

C) I know what rangefinders are on tanks. And switching the mode from tele-homing to homing (and not necessarily IR) can be done in flight.

In order to have a flight. the rocket must be launched. On purpose. And given that the weather is so bad that even an IR laser cannot break through ... Do you suggest launching a sound?

Quote: Zeev Zeev

C) I don’t confuse anything. In LAHAT, guidance is not on the beam, but on the marker from a rangefinder or external target designation.

And Russian tank guided missiles have laser beam. That is, the receiver in the stern of the rocket and no external target designation

Quote: Zeev Zeev

D) To destroy, you must first find the target.

Will detect.
Although you can, together with Poland, try to prohibit Russia from using intelligence. because "so dishonest"

[Zeev Zeev]

Well, shooting at three kilometers and getting from the first shell I personally observed. Moreover, firing was carried out without the use of ballistic computers, a purely optical sight.
The missiles are launched in the direction of the target, after which they point in the picture from the camera on the rocket, and after hitting the target they turn on homing. Or, in case the target is in line of sight, homing include immediately.
I know what your ATGM guidance is. I heard instructions on the "Cornet" and methods of countermeasures (by chance, it was conducted for tankers, and not for infantry like me). Our guidance is different.
You can detect with UAVs. But you can hit only in direct visibility. Due to the features of the guidance system of guided tank shells of Russian production.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Well shooting for three kilometers

And shooting five kilometers is two more.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

and hit from the first shell

I once with a closed OP from the first shell hit the target column. The grimaces of the Theory of Probability.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Missiles launch towards the target

Direction to target - by sound?
Once again, the weather is like that. that the IR laser does not penetrate the atmosphere. You yourself indicated.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

You can detect with UAVs. But you can hit only in direct visibility. Due to the features of the guidance system of guided tank shells of Russian production.

Theoretically and sphero-window.
However, given the fact that for every battalion of the first echelon of the RF Armed Forces there is a 152-mm artillery division ... This does not really matter.
This is precisely why the Poles are not obnoxious. And they put on their armored personnel carriers much longer-range "Spike ER"

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Spade

It makes no sense.
The maximum firing range is too small.

Then decipher the meaning of creating this technique:

The Polish version of an armored personnel carrier without weapons is an ordinary armored lorry. Is it so necessary for the army?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Graz

for me so dope all this

Exactly. Box on wheels. What's the point?

[Zeev Zeev]

And who is bothering to add another module with a machine gun? It weighs a little, management is simple.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

And who is bothering to add another module with a machine gun?

Sector closes

Here on a swivel, but for the "Spike-LR" it is not needed.

[Zeev Zeev]

Well, not so much he will block.

[Former naval person]

very old news. and not a word about the scandals that accompanied the purchase and launch of the Patria / Wolverine.

[cradle]

in an unarmed version ... straight balm for the soul! They will arrive on the battlefield in ready-made coffins, so as not to bother with disposal ... the main thing is to insulate with polystyrene

[Asad]

As the name doesn’t combine! Wolverine, an evil aggressive animal, is not afraid of anyone in the taiga! And then an armored personnel carrier without weapons, it will be breaking from every bush!

[ROSS_51]

It is strange that it is supposed to be used only as a minibus. But the starting Spike or standard fasteners for it on Wolverine itself begs. Although it seems that the hatch there is provided only for the driver.

[Lopatov]

Quote: ROSS_51

full-time fasteners for her at Wolverine itself.

Meaning?

Enough open hatch

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Spade

Enough open hatch

Which is not. Here I am about it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: ROSS_51

Which is not.

?

[ROSS_51]

Is there anything? Then sorry)

[cost]

Here in this photo the hatches are clearly visible

[TermNachTer]

Something the psheks hit in shopping)))) and F - 35, and the Patriot, and the leopard, there are still some nishtyaki. I’m embarrassed to ask - is there enough penens?

[Zeev Zeev]

Enough. A couple more TV assembly plants will open, and that's all.

[yfast]

And what, they have a very low assembly cost of thermal imagers?

[Zeev Zeev]

Not thermal imagers, but TVs. Poland has become an assembly workshop for many global manufacturers of household appliances.

[LKWUE]

As I understand it, here many underestimate Poland, consider it a sort of country for growing apples ... In fact, as a truck driver, I can say that the Poles did not take out loans, but correctly invested in production, roads, infrastructure and the economy. Poland already resembles Germany in terms of development.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Keyword - reminds.

[TermNachTer]

And how does the assembly of televisions, microwaves and refrigerators, from Chinese spare parts, affect the production of armored vehicles?

[Zeev Zeev]

Jobs, trained workforce, investment in industrial development. And by the way, the details there are far from Chinese.

[TermNachTer]

Screwdriver assembly - does not provide skilled workers. The workers there are mainly banderlogs, psheks left for Germany and England.

[Zeev Zeev]

The reality is very different from the picture built in the imagination. Let me remind you that the Soviet auto industry also began with the "screwdriver assembly" of Ford cars in Nizhny Novgorod.

[TermNachTer]

So I live in Ukraine, sometimes I am in Poland on business. So this is not imagination, it is a sad reality.

[aries2200]

Well, if you weld a box from the top .. it’s going to go fishing and fishing

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

The usual conveyor turned out.
Without protection, he is stupidly a target and a target.
No time to set the calculation.

[yfast]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Not thermal imagers, but TVs.

My cant.

[Zaurbek]

And how does it relate in size to the Kurgan and Boomerang?