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Kazakhstan launches production of small arms ammunition

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Kazakhstan launches production of small arms ammunition

Kazakhstan launched the first phase of a new cartridge plant, designed to produce ammunition for small arms weapons. This was reported by the press service of the Kazakhstan State JSC National Company Kazakhstan Engineering.


A new cartridge plant was opened on May 5 this year in the Karaganda region of Kazakhstan. According to the report, the implementation of the project of the cartridge plant is carried out by Steel Manufacturing LLP. It is reported that it will be a modern, high-tech enterprise that meets international standards for the production of small arms ammunition.

The Kazakhstan Engineering company said that the launch of a new cartridge plant will allow Kazakhstan to close the need for small arms ammunition for the republic’s law enforcement agencies, saving Kazakhstan from importing cartridges and unlocking export potential.

According to the bmpd blog, an agreement on the creation in Kazakhstan of a modern production of small arms ammunition with a capacity of 30 million rounds per year was concluded in 2016. Initially, the first phase of the plant was planned to be commissioned in 2017, but the launch was delayed significantly.

Currently, the company has launched into production only the line for the production of pistol cartridges of 9X18 mm caliber. The production lines for 5,45X39, 7,62X39 and 7,62X54 caliber cartridges are planned to be launched later. As previously stated, a specialty in the production of ammunition with a brass sleeve will be a feature of the new cartridge factory.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 7 May 2020 14: 19 New
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    As previously stated, a specialty in the production of ammunition with a brass sleeve will be a feature of the new cartridge plant.

    Such a cartridge will be more expensive than with an iron sleeve, they will probably be sold to Western countries.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 14: 22 New
      -1
      Brass is metal, an alloy of copper and zinc.
    2. alone
      alone 7 May 2020 14: 22 New
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      Quote: figvam
      Such a cartridge will be more expensive than with a metal sleeve.

      The shells from these cartridges after firing will become a deficit .. They will be handed over to scrap metal in bulk laughing
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 May 2020 16: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        The shells from these cartridges after firing will become a deficit .. They will be handed over to scrap metal in bulk

        yes yes yes lol We have casings from a cartridge 12,7 × 108 mm ("Cliff") from the very beginning of the war became a "hot commodity" wink
        At receptions it leaves "with a bang." And only sometimes, at some points, the receivers (receivers) "make up" and demand to remove capsules from the spent cartridge case ...
    3. Jager
      Jager 7 May 2020 14: 25 New
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      With steel.
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 7 May 2020 14: 26 New
      +8
      In fact, most of the countries in the world prefer brass sleeves.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 7 May 2020 15: 06 New
        +5
        For the information of the miners, the most famous cartridge factories in Europe: Serbia "Partizan", Italy and Germany, produce cartridges in a brass case (this was on the website).
        Before the WWII, the Soviet Union also had brass sleeves. In fact, about which sleeves are better, we will ask Yuferov or Comrades who is in the subject
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 7 May 2020 15: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: vladcub
          For the attention of the miners, the most famous cartridge factories in Europe: Serbia "Partizan",

          For your information, in front of me lies a packet of this partisan Г, from 15 01 14, bullet weight 175gr. at 308. an FMJ BT bullet in A4 format from 100 meters somehow lies down. Probably the partisans on their knees gather in the forest. Our Novosib turned out to be much better.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 7 May 2020 16: 24 New
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            And FIG knows, maybe they are sitting on a stump and equip cartridges on the eye. As far as I know, production of cartridges is a complex process: high-quality gunpowder is needed
            1. Vladimir
              Vladimir 7 May 2020 19: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: vladcub
              high-quality gunpowder is needed

              Let me mention the bullet too.
          2. Alexfly
            Alexfly 7 May 2020 17: 51 New
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            What bullets dear? Something strange ....
          3. Wolf
            Wolf 7 May 2020 23: 07 New
            +3
            Are you sure that this bundle of PP Uzice Serbia or a cheap fake? Only for you PP compared with South Korean (military) and Malaysia. smile


            https://youtu.be/DEIa5gcFjzY


            And what kind of weapon do you have? If Siberian is better, let's offer hunters to please in Serbia.
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 7 May 2020 23: 17 New
              +2
              There, the price in the USA can be compared with Siberian ammunition, but in the balance of quality / price it is difficult to catch up with PP, except for this 308 cal. made for an amateur, which means that you can stuff your own gunpowder and a different bullet into the ego.
              For hunters and lovers, it is QUIET in feces. 308 can recommend PP Uzice Serbia!
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 7 May 2020 23: 40 New
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                It turns out about 30 rubles for a bullet.
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 8 May 2020 00: 33 New
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                  And much more interesting! And feces and weapons with PP Uzice amo.


                  https://youtu.be/Aj0mJay9KQI


                  So the next time you hunt with MOSINKA and PP Uzice Serbia and put 100 bullets in 5, 2 - 5 cm per 3,7 meters! wink
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco 8 May 2020 01: 37 New
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              Quote: Wolf
              And what kind of weapon do you have?

              What is the difference, what kind of weapon do I have? from a friend and the Czechs 10 years ago they flew even worse, after measuring the bullet it became clear what the cause of the power supply was 30-06 bullet 7.78 in diameter. After that, only Norma and above. At the expense of a fake, in this case it’s not my head that should hurt, but first of all the manufacturer’s, they shit him if he didn’t bother him with his pants.)))))
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 8 May 2020 10: 14 New
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                Where did you buy ammunition?
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 8 May 2020 10: 24 New
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                  I don’t know for Chekhov, but in my experience, Odes Slavyanov, the Czechs made excellent weapons, and pistols were world masterpieces, better than Austrians, German, American in their class. Even their AK was very interesting.
                  Could it be that the importer in Russia is deceiving customers?
                2. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 9 May 2020 16: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Wolf
                  Where did you buy ammunition?

                  In the hunting store, there are such in Ulan Ude.
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 9 May 2020 16: 27 New
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                    Siroko PPU (First Partizan Uzice) launches ammo. already more than 1 century. They are allowed for the Serbian army. Their ammo. balance of quality / price that the army would have. Esli Kazakhstan wanted better, it can, but it costs more. It was not necessary for Kazakhstan to go to Canada using production technology and equipment !!! wink
        2. Genie
          Genie 7 May 2020 20: 07 New
          +1
          LAPUA Finnish most advanced in Europe. Brass is good for relod. The correct cartridge is obtained after the 2-3rd cycle, proper handling and assembly. But all this applies only to precision shooting.
        3. About 2
          About 2 8 May 2020 02: 03 New
          +1
          A respected WWII may be for someone, but in our country it’s more correct to say the Great Patriotic War, as for cartridges with a brass sleeve, I personally held automatic cartridges in my hands. 43 years of the end of the 50s with a brass sleeve.
    5. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 7 May 2020 16: 02 New
      +4
      Good time, Sergey. I read your comment below. No matter how your colleagues wouldn’t go, Kazakhstan provided its security. Maybe expensive, but they can afford theirs (for their army). Hello to all the sofas !!!!
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 May 2020 17: 39 New
        +1
        The decision to build the plant was made after the start of events in Ukraine. For a long time they decided which and whose equipment to buy. As far as I know, the equipment is Canadian.
        After the tobacco factories were privatized, our republic was left without this production. The topic has been raised by the military since the 0s not once. I even heard that the cartridges are 14,5 mm. became scarce.
        Well, now they are born. "Until the roast cock bites ...". hi
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 7 May 2020 18: 32 New
          +1
          Good Kasym. Don't listen. Own cartridges are svay. Let them. No matter how expensive it is to feed someone else's army. And Barnaul is "welcome" !!!!!!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 7 May 2020 19: 01 New
            +1
            Yes, I’m already used to such comments from people who have never been in our area, and do not pay attention to this. I try to just supplement the information.
            Recently, the eldest daughter of the National Academy of Sciences (Dariga) was removed from the post of chairman of the Senate of the Parliament (the second most important post in the republic after the presidential one). Although it may "emerge" at another post. The people are fed up with all these "family provisions". The grandchildren of the National Academy of Sciences have already begun to crawl out into the information field of the republic - sometimes they make such statements that "even if you stop, even if you fall."
            All the best! hi
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 7 May 2020 19: 24 New
              +1
              I was in your area (the northern part and Alatau (Alma-Ata - it was not very good)) I was at 99-2000. I didn’t like my colleagues (employees) very much. But at the expense of the "family", drop it. Change at your level is not real-nerve cells do not recover-looking at the outskirts-walk the field you yourself do not want (with such a neighbor-China) So, what we have, then we have.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 8 May 2020 09: 43 New
                +1
                Alexey, if you go through my comments on VO and especially on discussions with fellow countrymen, you will notice that I have always tried to "soberly" evaluate the activities of NAS ... But with my family, this is different. This is not the National Academy of Sciences, but sometimes people cut off from life and reality ... I like the new president, although he got into a difficult time. It seems that at our top there is a confrontation between the elites with the change of the country's leader ... I am neutral towards the authorities and I am definitely not going to kill my nerves.
                I would not want to return to our 99-00gg .., By the way, now the situation is the same. The solvency of the people sank greatly. People are angry. hi
        2. Polymer
          Polymer 7 May 2020 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          As far as I know, the equipment is Canadian.

          Canadian documentation, not adapted to ESKD. And the equipment ... I can’t say for sure, but something seems to be connected with Ukraine.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 8 May 2020 17: 36 New
            +1
            Sergei. Canadian equipment. Investments in the amount of 70 million dollars .. Raw materials: domestic metals, and gunpowder and capsules by 2022. will also be their own. Already there are foreign customers (Turkey and the USA). At the moment, they began to carry out a defense order. By the end of this year, they will start producing cartridges for machine guns, as well as hunting ammunition. hi
            1. Polymer
              Polymer 8 May 2020 19: 05 New
              +1
              Kasym hi
              Thank. I do not have complete information, but I heard about problems with metal suppliers. Probably already resolved these issues.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 8 May 2020 19: 10 New
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                They showed this plant on the news and talked about suppliers of raw materials (they even called a list of sworn metal factories), investments, personnel, etc. They even showed the shooting of ammunition in the shooting gallery to confirm the characteristics. Plant plans and product buyers.
                After Kiev threw us with the plane, it is unlikely that ours will deal with the Ukrainian authorities.
                Happy Holiday of Great Victory! hi
                1. Polymer
                  Polymer 8 May 2020 19: 13 New
                  +1
                  I don't watch TV at all - there is such a "sin". winked
                  Happy New Year! good
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 8 May 2020 19: 15 New
                    0
                    Today showed. All the best.
    6. parkello
      parkello 8 May 2020 12: 58 New
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      unequivocally more expensive, but it has its advantages, it is multi-charged and does not deteriorate. steel sleeves sometimes tear in the chamber. and brass can inflate maximum, but not tear. I had a case in the army, with the German G-3, 308 caliber. at first there was a delay, either a defective capsule or gunpowder .. I waited a little, then I pulled the shutter to eject, and it burst right at the time of departure from the chamber. the remains of gunpowder, pieces of the cartridge case flew into the eyes ... the ophthalmologist then picked them out of the eyeball with a syringe needle. and if the sleeve was not steel, but brass, then it would not have torn to pieces. could inflate but would not be so unpleasant. In addition, they are perfectly calibrated and can be reused, knocked out the capsule. Put a new one, a canopy of gunpowder and press in the bullet. all .. so the price will be justified by the buyers.
  2. purple
    purple 7 May 2020 14: 21 New
    +1
    and capsules, gunpowder is also Kazakh?
    1. Ural Cossack
      Ural Cossack 7 May 2020 14: 26 New
      -8
      Yes, it will be extracted from mutton rounds (knead in nitric acid)
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 7 May 2020 21: 50 New
      0
      Gunpowder - I don’t know, but they make capsules in the same factory.
  3. Ural Cossack
    Ural Cossack 7 May 2020 14: 21 New
    +3
    What the hell is Kalash and Makarov brass cartridges. I understand batch 54 as a sniper weapon. And it’s so expensive and nothing to fence a new garden.
  4. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 14: 27 New
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    30 million a year is for chickens to laugh, at least 300 million is needed to provide the Kazakhstan army, for sale to the domestic market and for export. And for the army you need cartridges with a steel sleeve, brass sleeves are very expensive. You can’t save any copper and zinc. Although ... Kazakhstan seems to be very rich in copper and zinc.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 7 May 2020 15: 12 New
      +2
      wink This is not a factory. This is a candle (cartridge) factory.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 8 May 2020 00: 43 New
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        This is just one machine, or rather, a rotor-conveyor line of production by the head of the Lenin plant (Lugansk). The cat, the so-called.
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 7 May 2020 22: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Kazakhstan seems to be very rich in copper and zinc.

      And there is. But here's the thing: enterprises are all in private hands, and they trade metal through some London stock exchange. There are no special obligations to the state - like, to supply part of the defense products at domestic prices and of the required quality. It follows that with the generally accepted scheme ammunition will be quite expensive ...
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 22: 12 New
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        If it is purely exported for the civilian market and for its Kazakhstan hunters, then 30 million rounds of ammunition per year is quite enough, individuals prefer cartridges with brass shells. And for the army, Russia may buy cartridges that are with steel sleeves.
        1. Polymer
          Polymer 7 May 2020 22: 17 New
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          I mean, do not provide ammunition for your army, but will they earn some money? Then yes, everything would be clear. But the plant is not private, but state.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 22: 29 New
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            And what prevents a state plant from earning? 30 million rounds per year is extremely small, if in the Kazakhstani army, for example, 100 thousand people, plus the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other security services, this is 300 rounds per person per year, chickens laugh. Most likely, Kazakhs do not know how to make cartridges with a steel sleeve, because for cartridges with a steel sleeve you need a special varnish that will not crack and clog up the weapon when firing. In the USSR, therefore, before the war, cartridges with brass sleeves were made, although it was very expensive, since they could not create such a varnish. During the war years, they generally switched to purely steel shells, since there was no need for long-term storage of cartridges, and the cartridges simply did not have time to rust. After the war, the USSR created varnish, and began to produce steel lacquered sleeves.
            1. Polymer
              Polymer 7 May 2020 22: 33 New
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              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              And what prevents a state plant from earning?

              Either a cross or underpants ...
              Commercial activity and state security - often these two areas directly contradict each other.
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 7 May 2020 23: 21 New
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                But nothing, that the Russian defense also exports weapons and equipment? The same is done by Americans and many others.
                1. Polymer
                  Polymer 8 May 2020 06: 42 New
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                  This is when the needs of their own aircraft are already fully satisfied and the question arises, where to get the surplus so that the defense industry enterprises continue to be loaded with work.
                  It is clear that in the modern world, where everything is sold and bought, the commercial component is always present. But I do not think that this is correct in all cases.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 11 May 2020 19: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      30 million a year is for chickens to laugh; at least 300 million is needed to provide the Kazakhstan army, n

      can you share which algorithms this calculation is carried out? I just want to understand by countries who needs how much to produce. Kazakhstan is not a warring country and the need is determined to be 300 million. What is the need for cartridges for Turkey, for example? Because there the cat wept the production of cartridges.
  5. vladcub
    vladcub 7 May 2020 14: 32 New
    0
    "it will be a modern high-tech enterprise" in IDIAL ALL MICRO ENTERPRISES must be high-tech - a guarantee of national security
  6. iouris
    iouris 7 May 2020 14: 37 New
    0
    "Engineering" ... Switching to the Latin alphabet ... Europe! Well, where do the attacks come from? Although it's not hard to guess: from Asia.
  7. SVM
    SVM 7 May 2020 14: 37 New
    +2
    Well, Kazakhstan is commendable! The main thing is that these cartridges do not go to hell left ..
    1. Clerk
      Clerk 7 May 2020 15: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: SVM
      The main thing is that these cartridges do not go to hell left ..

      Well, there are no guarantees. Usually it happens: star-striped through a number of left-wing firms purchase weapons, and then the CIA and the NSA distribute it to all sorts of barmales.
      1. SVM
        SVM 7 May 2020 15: 46 New
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        Quote: clerk
        Well, there are no guarantees. Usually it happens: star-striped through a number of left-wing firms purchase weapons, and then the CIA and the NSA distribute it to all sorts of barmales.

        I feel that this is just that option ... If the devils rush towards Russia from the BV, etc. ..Not for nothing that in Russia at the beginning of the 2000s frontier outposts were built around the perimeter of the border, and so they keep units ..
  8. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 7 May 2020 15: 20 New
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    And before that, who supplied the cartridges to them - the Russian Federation or the Sumerians?
    1. SVM
      SVM 7 May 2020 15: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Aviator_
      And before that, who supplied the cartridges to them - the Russian Federation or the Sumerians?

      The Sumerians are most likely from the strategic reserves of the USSR .. Everyone was robbed to see))) But the supplies of the materiel were five years of total war with NATO .. ​​But you need talent in such a way that you can pull everything apart and even be left without weapons hi
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 7 May 2020 15: 55 New
        +1
        Cartridges cannot be stored for a long time. In 1997, I had the opportunity to use 1946 cartridges on a ballistic stand - out of 50 pieces, two turned out to have completely different characteristics.
        1. SVM
          SVM 7 May 2020 17: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Aviator_
          1946 - out of 50 pieces, two turned out to have completely different characteristics.

          Well, there the warehouses were constantly updated by NZ, so the armaments and food warehouses were fresh. There’s -160, how they famously sawed under the smiles of the USA, etc. And SS-20 missiles (without warheads) Well, what can I tell you here .. you probably heard yourself and maybe saw .. There was a terrible time! And joyful for looters of all stripes .. soldier
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 7 May 2020 17: 30 New
            +1
            Well, on this stand, the cartridges are not from stockpile, but purely for scientific research, that's how they have been lying for 50 years, and still lie. Although it would be necessary to write off, but new ones are for money, and this is a free inheritance.
            1. SVM
              SVM 7 May 2020 17: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              Well, on this stand, the cartridges are not from stockpile, but purely for scientific research, that's how 50 years

              Got it soldier It’s necessary to shoot, otherwise our warrant officers like to save money in warehouses. And the soldiers didn’t shoot at the shooting ranges, and they report for each cartridge ..
              Well, now I hope not so ..
  9. gorenina91
    gorenina91 7 May 2020 15: 35 New
    -3
    -What can you do ...- after the collapse of the USSR, whole world pantries of open and developed minerals went to Kazakhstan. And today, Kazakhstan ranks first in the world in explored reserves of zinc, tungsten and barite, second in silver, lead and chromite, third in copper and fluorite, fourth in molybdenum, sixth in gold .... and so on ...
    -So, Kazakhstan has all these patrons, i.e. sleeves for them today can also be made from pure copper .., and not just from brass ...
    -But Russia has rather scarce reserves of copper ... -He will have to continue to produce steel sleeves ...- and they are much worse in quality ... -Sorry ...
    1. SVM
      SVM 7 May 2020 15: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: gorenina91
      What can you do ... - after the collapse of the USSR, whole world pantries of open and developed minerals went to Kazakhstan. And today, Kazakhstan ranks first in the world in explored reserves of zinc, tungsten and barite, second in silver, lead and chromite, third in copper and fluorite, fourth in molybdenum, sixth in gold .... and so on ...

      They’re around a handful of them, and most of the territory is just overgrown with feather grass, and so much has been invested in the development of virgin lands .. Fields to the horizon and huge herds of cattle and other things .. And the chamber’s patrons are clearly not for their army, such ..
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 7 May 2020 17: 54 New
      0
      And here you are right
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 7 May 2020 19: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: gorenina91
      - We have to continue to produce steel sleeves ...- and they are much worse in quality ... -Sorry ...

      And the worse, who will clarify? In theory, the steel sleeve is stronger.
      1. gorenina91
        gorenina91 7 May 2020 19: 48 New
        -3
        -Teach the materiel ...- And putting the cons-is not tricky business ...- there isn’t much mind here ...
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 7 May 2020 21: 00 New
          0
          You are a strange creature. You can’t say in the case, but you must yelp.
          It’s a really simple matter to set cons. I don’t like this attitude - catch yourself a minus from me.
          1. gorenina91
            gorenina91 9 May 2020 06: 11 New
            -1
            A creature is you, boor ... - learn to speak first, and then say something ..
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 9 May 2020 14: 42 New
              -1
              Listen, calm down already. There’s nothing to come off for me in your PMS.
              I'm not talking to you, and I'm not asking you.
  10. NF68
    NF68 7 May 2020 16: 01 New
    +1
    This is the event. Where is the coronovirus.
  11. KSVK
    KSVK 7 May 2020 17: 44 New
    -3
    Quote: Sirocco
    Our Novosib turned out to be much better.


    Yeah. Novosib apparently not like in the forest. Somewhere on the mountain they collect. Of shit and sticks.

    https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/57/1823223.html

    Read for general development before shoving this guano into a weapon.

    True ONE tepericha brand changed. And became Sibfire. Looks like things are bad.
  12. Alexfly
    Alexfly 7 May 2020 17: 48 New
    0
    Well done! I respect
    1. SVM
      SVM 7 May 2020 18: 01 New
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      Quote: AlexFly
      Well done! I respect

      It is too early to respect, depending on where these cartridges go later and who is behind it all ..
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 8 May 2020 14: 31 New
        0
        Well, looking at the nomenclature, most likely for domestic consumption.
  13. orionvitt
    orionvitt 7 May 2020 19: 27 New
    0
    Kazakhstan is going to fight with someone? I wonder with whom?
    1. Vladimir
      Vladimir 7 May 2020 20: 03 New
      0
      Well, today there’s no one and tomorrow maybe with whom.
  14. vladcub
    vladcub 8 May 2020 07: 37 New
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    Quote: Approximately 2
    A respected WWII may be for someone, but in our country it’s more correct to say the Great Patriotic War, as for cartridges with a brass sleeve, I personally held automatic cartridges in my hands. 43 years of the end of the 50s with a brass sleeve.

    WWII ended on May 9, but ours had to fight with the Kwantung Army of Japan