How is the fight against coronavirus in our country: controversial issues


More than a month in Russia, the regime of self-isolation lasts. It is not clear when the restrictions will be lifted and the country will return to a normal rhythm of life. After all, the number of cases is only increasing, which means that it’s too early to talk about reaching the “plateau” of the disease.


It is already obvious that the pandemic was a serious blow to the Russian economy and society as a whole. Not only that, a number of segments of the economy suffer serious losses, catastrophic for many businesses, but also the credibility of the government and the measures it takes in society is rapidly declining. This can be seen with the naked eye: if in the first week of self-isolation the streets of Russian cities really became empty, now there are more and more people on them. Few people are able to spend all their time at home for more than a month, leaving only a grocery store.

Do self-isolation measures work?


The self-isolation regime itself raises big questions among Russians. Controversial issues are many. For example, in Rostov-on-Don, where even taking into account unregistered visitors and arriving to work from the nearest settlements, it is unlikely that more than 1,5 million people live, 550 thousand passes were issued for travel to work (these are data from the operational headquarters of the RO to counteract coronavirus infection). It turns out that every third citizen moves to work and back every working day, including in crowded public transport.

The question arises for people: is it possible in this case that self-isolation for the rest of the townspeople can prevent the spread of the disease? Why is a walk to the park or a grove with a family or a few friends, even those same notorious barbecue, more dangerous than a daily trip to work in a crowded bus, shoulder to shoulder? The authorities are not in a position to give an answer to this question either in this particular regional center or in other regions of the country.

Moreover, a growing number of cases indicates that it is not possible to stop the spread of the disease by such measures. The crisis also played a role in the domestic health care system: for a long time it was funded on a residual basis, hospitals were closed, only doctors and nurses of a retirement age remained in district clinics, or novice employees who gained experience.


Discontent grows: instead of help, fines


The system of fines, which, with the approval of the State Duma, were introduced for violating the regime of self-isolation, also naturally causes a negative reaction of the population. The fines, as they say, are draconian: 15 thousand rubles for an insignificant, by and large, administrative offense, this is a lot, especially against the background of a decrease in incomes of the population. Note: not for a fight, not for hooliganism, but for the banal being on the street at a greater than permissible distance from the house. Of course, not everyone is fined (thanks to the understanding police officers), but this is not easier.

Against this background, more than modest help to the population looks very revealing. Probably, even the most zealous supporters of the current government cannot but agree: 3 thousand rubles a month for a child for parents who have lost their jobs is shamelessly small. In addition, at least 20 million Russians worked informally and a significant part of them lost the opportunity to work and, therefore, to receive means of subsistence during the period of self-isolation. Why did they work informally? Well, because for official income we can afford to live comfortably, as the "sage" said, "not only everything." The government also did not take this into account, and the size of unemployment benefits for most citizens does not exceed 1,5 thousand rubles.


Health is well organized but no masks


Another painful topic is the mask regime. Since May 12, the leadership of a number of regions of Russia plans to make wearing masks mandatory for those who go to public places, visit shops, move in taxis and public transport. But the authorities are not able to provide free and comprehensive distribution of masks, but it is proposed to purchase masks at inflated prices from private sellers - in stores, commercial pharmacies. Moreover, not even in all pharmacies masks are available, but they are already going to fine for their absence.

At the same time, when compared with other countries, the situation in Russia is not so bad in terms of morbidity. So, in our country, the percentage of disproportionately lower mortality than in the United States and southern Europe. Even experts from the World Health Organization noted the good organization of the healthcare system in Russia, and the good work in combating COVID-19. True, thanks for this I must say 30 years ago to a decaying state whose merit is the creation and development of a system of free and comprehensive medical care and quality medical education.

Thus, with a good organization of the healthcare system and assistance to citizens during the pandemic in Russia, the following problems emerged: the desire of the authorities to shift considerable responsibility to the lower levels of the hierarchy of power (federal authorities - to regional, regional - municipal) and the reluctance to spend financial resources countries to help people and businesses, the dominance of police and "repressive" measures (fines, bans) over help to citizens.

The statement of the Lipetsk governor about the possible dispersal of crowds by disinfectors added questions. This statement in Lipetsk itself was called taken out of context.

Is it necessary to say that such a line does not contribute to the social, economic and political stability of the country? ..
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  1. Lexus 7 May 2020 16: 16 New
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    Even according to false "official" statistics, Russia is confidently torn into the lead in terms of the number of infected people. Not in the economy, not in the social sphere, not in health care, but on the scale of impending disaster! Thanks to the "self-reliant non-pride". Are these really the “achievements” that everyone has been striving for?
    1. andranick 7 May 2020 16: 20 New
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      somehow he didn’t even doubt that following “you FSE is lying, the coronovirus is no worse than the flu, down with self-isolation!” this will follow:
      Quote: lexus
      Even according to false "official" statistics, Russia is confidently torn into the lead in terms of the number of infected people. Not in the economy, not in the social sphere, not in health care, but on the scale of impending disaster! Thanks to the "self-reliant" rulers, criminals. Are these really the “achievements” that everyone wanted?
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      2. Svarog 7 May 2020 16: 29 New
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        Is it necessary to say that such a line does not contribute to the social, economic and political stability of the country? ..

        The question in the conclusion is superfluous. Surprisingly, nothing is done for stability at all .. on the contrary, all measures are aimed at people's discontent. The roofing felts have already been reset and ratings have ceased to be taken care of, the roofing felts are so sorry for the money. But the fact remains that the state first allowed such a situation, secondly it was eliminated, but it was also fined.
      3. Lannan Shi 7 May 2020 17: 11 New
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        Quote: andranick
        somehow he didn’t even doubt that following “you FSE is lying, the coronovirus is no worse than the flu, down with self-isolation!” this will follow:

        Laponka. It should be decided. What is coronavirus. Is this a terrible infection? Will we all die? Then you have to close everything, absolutely everything. To transfer the communal apartment to the barracks position, and the food supply through the Ministry of Emergencies, fighters in biosecurity suits, to the front door of the apartment / house. Drive patrols into the streets, on armored personnel carriers, and especially frisky and naughty shoot back where they were caught. Other methods of dealing with truly terrible infections have not yet been invented. Coronavirus in general is it okay? Then it is necessary to adjust patrols on armored personnel carriers to the Kremlin, regional administrations and to shoot those who introduced self-isolation, where they will catch. As intentionally destroying the Russian economy.
        In the meantime, in our country, clowning. There is no fight against infections, from the word in general. But the economy is being systematically destroyed.
        1. Lexus 7 May 2020 17: 17 New
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          In the meantime, in our country, clowning. There is no fight against infections, from the word in general. But the economy is being systematically destroyed.

          How everything is correctly written. I subscribe to each letter.
        2. Olegater 7 May 2020 17: 29 New
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          I agree with YOU fully respected forum member Lannan Shi !!!
        3. sav
          sav 7 May 2020 19: 38 New
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          In the meantime, in our country, clowning. There is no fight against infections, from the word in general. But the economy is being systematically destroyed.

          1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 21: 13 New
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            Quote: sav
            In the meantime, in our country, clowning. There is no fight against infections, from the word in general. But the economy is being systematically destroyed.


            I will answer this post on my example repeat
            our office building was closed to "under quarantine" at the end of March, our company according to OKVED codes does not go under the victims, I work in white - but in the area - two months "suck big and thick" - but these are "flowers" bully
            May 1 — while I work in the IT sector — our company did NOT hand over the order due to “under-quarantine,” in the summer, the customer will impose penalties on our company, but the company will “remember” those clauses of the contract where I HAD to hand over the work on time wassat I have a "fun" is still to come)))
            1. Mordvin 3 8 May 2020 05: 52 New
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              Quote: Crown without virus
              May 1 - and I work in the IT field - our company did NOT submit an order due to "under quarantine"

              And on the remote could not be done?
              1. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 11: 53 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Crown without virus
                May 1 - and I work in the IT field - our company did NOT submit an order due to "under quarantine"

                And on the remote could not be done?

                You can start laughing here laughing according to the terms of the contract, a server was organized inside the company’s network - and according to the terms of the contract, only in the office of the company could we “merge” our works - individually)) for the thought itself to take something outside the office - such penalties are prescribed that mom do not cry - and this was the condition of the customer wassat and our office since mid-March - in the sense that our entire office building - has been tightly closed to NEDOCARANTINE and we don’t have access to it (((
              2. Sling cutter 12 May 2020 22: 08 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                And on the remote could not be done?

                and where did this servant of the sword go and screaming, nicknamed the beating?
                1. Mordvin 3 12 May 2020 22: 28 New
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  and where did this servant of the sword go and screaming, nicknamed the beating?

                  How much do I know? request
          2. Idolater 8 May 2020 02: 41 New
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            good The correct picture characterizing our self-isolation. hi
        4. Victor Lutvin 7 May 2020 19: 57 New
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          https://youtu.be/qr0gagp9zdE
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        7. Oleg Zorin 7 May 2020 21: 15 New
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          I do not quite agree. The feeling that the authorities gropingly seek balance. So that, on the one hand, medical facilities do not choke on patients, on the other, so that the economy works somehow. How much they get sick and how much they die - nobody really cares.
          1. Wolverine 8 May 2020 09: 04 New
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            Quote: Oleg Zorin
            I do not quite agree. The feeling that the authorities gropingly seek balance. So that, on the one hand, medical facilities do not choke on patients, on the other, so that the economy works somehow. How much they get sick and how much they die - nobody really cares.


            The authorities, following the example of their Western colleagues, drove the people into self-isolation, but they stubbornly do not want to help financially, we can conclude that they are intentionally preparing people for hunger riot and chaos.
        8. NEOZ 7 May 2020 21: 55 New
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          Laponka. It should be decided. What is coronavirus. Is this a terrible infection? Will we all die? Then you have to close everything, absolutely everything.

          you just scratch your tongue ... unlike people who take responsibility ...
        9. saigon 8 May 2020 06: 05 New
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          I don’t agree with the clownery.
          These are typical actions of officials in the absence of clear and distinct orders from the top.
          The habitual system of giving orders is broken and we observe the consequences of the creativity of people who are not accustomed to think and make decisions in a non-standard situation.
          Well, since the system, the official is imprisoned to carry out, to keep and not let go, and we observe throwing.
          Well, it’s sacred to squeeze the money out, they know how to invent it in this direction.
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          Then it is necessary to adjust patrols on armored personnel carriers to the Kremlin, regional administrations and shoot off those who introduced self-isolation, where they will catch them. As intentionally destroying the Russian economy.

          Damn virus showed how power treats us! I am for this option! hi
      4. NEOZ 7 May 2020 21: 53 New
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        Quote: andranick
        somehow he didn’t even doubt that following “you FSE is lying, the coronovirus is no worse than the flu, down with self-isolation!” it will follow

        just the VO site was chosen by residents of a neighboring country ....
        1. Sling cutter 12 May 2020 22: 06 New
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          just the VO site was chosen by residents of a neighboring country ....

          And with what pyrifugu you, it was you, who declared them an underdeveloped country, and it was you who most likely took the same oath with them?
          1. NEOZ 13 May 2020 11: 26 New
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            And with what pyrifugu you,

            What is a pyrifuge?
            Quote: Stroporez
            you, that's you

            you can and you ... allow!
            Quote: Stroporez
            declared them a country underdeveloped

            give a link where they are called underdeveloped
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            took the same oath with them?

            is this what to do with?
    2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 23 New
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      Our statistics are exaggerated, asymptomatic are attributed to the sick. Like our tests, unlike the western ones, which do not always work on the virus, ours give false positives.
      And so, yes: the cat left the kittens ...
      1. Lexus 7 May 2020 16: 25 New
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        Our statistics are exaggerated, asymptomatic are attributed to the sick.

        Talk with doctors and discover a terrible secret that many people are not completing.
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 36 New
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          I communicate with my daughter, she is just involved in the development of covidia therapy. Clinical pharmacologist. Many are just ascribed, pneumonia of any etiology is a priori considered coronovirus. Reinsurance
          1. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 04 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Reinsurance

            or lack of diagnosis?
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            pneumonia of any etiology is a priori considered coronovirus.

            why argue, take off. persons:
            Filatov Hospital in Moscow undergoes treatment 1 377 patients, of which 1 146 confirmed diagnosis of coronavirus, wrote on Wednesday on his page on the social network Facebook head physician of the medical institution Valery Vechorko.
            Can you refute?
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            Clinical Pharmacologist

            with all due respect to your daughter, she is not a clinician, she is a pharmacologist.
        2. bk316 7 May 2020 17: 16 New
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          Talk with doctors and discover a terrible secret that many people are not completing.

          I communicate with Moscow doctors regularly and not with “daughters of an officer” who are doctors only on blogs and not with nurses from a remote village where there were no patients with coronavirus, but with doctors who have patients with coronavirus. My friends do not do this (under-registration) and most importantly they have no incentive for this. Rather, there is a motive for registration, but it is purely hypothetical.

          BUT IT'S NOT THAT. Of course, I understand that this is magic for you, but random processes from pseudo-random ones and those from non-random ones are easily distinguishable (with statistical certainty). I already wrote about this and gave links to GOST, but you either did not bother to read it or did not comprehend it. laughing So here is the mathematical community, which, unlike all of this, knows everything and so far has not noticed any falsifications.
          1. Lexus 7 May 2020 17: 23 New
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            I communicate with Moscow doctors regularly

            Where from? Over 400 miles from Moscow, fled from sin away! I remember that just a couple of months ago you were broadcasting how good it was in Moscow for you, but let them say someone else settles and plows through the “Far East”. So where is your sequence? They would believe statistics and communicate with doctors at the forefront. And then they dragged specialists from all over the country, while they themselves, like rats, fled.
            1. bk316 7 May 2020 18: 59 New
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              Over 400 miles from Moscow, fled from sin away!

              I also work for 400 miles belay
              Are you directly riding on the VO server?
              Can you communicate only at a distance of a meter?

              And about Moscow LIE. I wrote that live in Moscow it’s very difficult BUT WHILE DO NOT GO (feel the difference between how good and not whine) and when I retire, I will leave. And until you wait, here my grandfather was born and the father and I and my children.
              And to get together and add more work to the doctors, this is certainly wonderful advice from Lexus. I have not infected a single person, and have not taken away anyone’s place in intensive care.


              And once again you have shown your essence with Troll: I’m talking about math and you are about “living well” and “Muscovites snickering”. Boring girls
              1. Lexus 7 May 2020 19: 15 New
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                And until you wait, here my grandfather was born and the father and I and my children.

                The typical logic of a bored Muscovite. If Yermak, Peter I, Catherine II, the Great Russians / Soviet discoverers and military leaders had reasoned like this, there would have been no Russia. But for the “housekeepers" the concept of "homeland" is purely consumer, gluttonous.
                Shame on you! Look for trolls and girls surrounded by worthless cardboard “marshalitet”, dearie.
          2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 42 New
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            Motive reason for the additions? Just like lowing is the amount of funding and co-payments.
            1. bk316 7 May 2020 19: 06 New
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              Just like lowing is the amount of funding and co-payments.

              And here you are right. But as I wrote it purely hypothetically, the conclusion is given by a specific doctor, and financing is far and not right away.
            2. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 13 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Motive reason for the additions?

              there are 2 of them!
              1. postscript in +: money. Each case costs 200 thousand rubles. Dead Souls allow hospitals to make money. We have about 2 thousand people on treatment. Multiply.
              2. postscript in -: hide statistics for saving reputation. Many patients - local authorities do nothing, the governor is not in his place.
              So everything is simple: money or maintaining your position
              1. bk316 7 May 2020 20: 43 New
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                there are 2 of them!

                Pay attention to them in different directions (one for posts and one for sub-posts) laughing
                Moreover, both hypothetical and the second is also far-fetched:
                I can throw 10 more pieces, but I repeat STATISTICALLY THEY DO NOT VIEW,
                1. Lexus 7 May 2020 21: 01 New
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                  Moreover, both hypothetical and the second is also far-fetched:
                  I can throw 10 more pieces, but I repeat STATISTICALLY THEY DO NOT VIEW,

                  You did not understand that with a doctor who knows firsthand about the problem, communicates, extras? Oh yes. You are not / demagogue. laughing
                  1. bk316 7 May 2020 21: 15 New
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                    extras?

                    And also say something about the Russian language ....laughing
                    1. Lexus 7 May 2020 21: 39 New
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                      I was not mistaken. You do not take part in the fight against the epidemic, but operate only with empty numbers in communication with the doctor (Sylvester). This has nothing to do with real statistics. Just an elementary hypocrisy of an amateur. wink
                      1. NEOZ 7 May 2020 21: 59 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        and operate only with empty numbers

                        you generally operate with emotions !!! those. manipulate
                        are you from ukraine?
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                  Moreover, both hypothetical and the second is also far-fetched:

                  you are a hypothetical doctor. TO THE CLINIC! To the ground!
                  1. bk316 7 May 2020 21: 21 New
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                    you are a hypothetical doctor.

                    Sylvester Well, you know that I'm not a doctor.
                    Better tell me how you, with the MAXIMUM INCUBATION, have gone wrong. laughing
                    Okay, with whom it does not happen.
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                      Sylvester

                      why did you get that he is a doctor?
                      1. bk316 8 May 2020 13: 36 New
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                        why did you get that he is a doctor?

                        Well, a person says this to himself ... I can say for sure that it has a bearing on medicine laughing We even have common acquaintances. And the doctor is a nurse or administrator.
                        By the way, do not underestimate the role of administrators in medicine. We have one of our main problems with this. Western medicine is based on standards and regulations. We are trying to do something similar, but for this we need administrators. We have good doctors, there are brilliant ones, but they refuse to be administrators, and this is not necessary. So it turns out instead of building the right processes, paper scraping distracting specialists from work. For example, I have at home a medical history as thick as a bundle of paper WRITTEN FROM HAND. She is entered into a computer in clinic. ATTENTION! YOUR DOCTOR. Imagine how much time was killed for this. Okay, something I'm starting to whine, probably contagious. laughing
                    2. New Year day 7 May 2020 23: 33 New
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                      Better tell me how you, with the MAXIMUM INCUBATION, have gone wrong.

                      I am sincerely sorry for those who do not read departmental orders, but are clever at the level of a doctor of the organizational department. Theorist Doctor! Return to the capital, bring with your deep knowledge to the city. But! First study regulatory letters, orders, recommendations
                      1. bk316 8 May 2020 12: 40 New
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                        Theorist Doctor!

                        I am not a doctor, Sylvester, but worked for several years at the Gabrichevsky Institute.
                        And he was engaged in exactly what he programmed the epidemic model. Of course, the applied part was explained to me, but in a couple of years what the incubation period is and how it affects the spread of diseases, even vocabulary would have learned laughing .


                        First study regulatory letters, orders, recommendations

                        And I read so many docks that it is scary to remember, for example, I saw the current order of the Sobyanin back then and the action plan was drawn up in the 50s. And theorists write such plans for themselves. By the way, I can boast a comparative model of the effectiveness of such measures with airborne and contact transmission methods - my brainchild.
          3. Lexus 7 May 2020 19: 06 New
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            I already wrote about this and gave links to GOST, but you either did not bother to read or did not comprehend.

            Here are just a GOST do not need to braid. There is NO any serious responsibility for his violation. So what's the point of worthless pieces of paper? The point is not to give preference to goods with the state quality mark on the habits of the Soviet generations to increase sales of often low-quality products and be an “occasion” for offerings.
            And for the rest, you have no reason. In order to feed the sick, put the vessel, make beds, use a gurney and do the cleaning, no specialized education is required. It’s just that the hangers-on, the “singers” of the praises and the others “blew the authorities” for some reason carried themselves to the grubsters, and, in their opinion, someone else should obviously be dissatisfied and ungrateful “lackeys” to risk their lives and do the dirty work.
            1. bk316 7 May 2020 19: 13 New
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              That's just GOST do not need to drag

              The GOST of which I speak is used to determine whether the measurement data are statistically reliable, random, or systemic. Allows you to determine the quality of the initial statistical information, in particular reliability (detect statistically significant registry) belay BUT YOU ARE SAME ABOUT SUCH GUESTS AND DO NOT HEAR
              1. Lexus 7 May 2020 19: 41 New
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                Some of them have already tried to broadcast about “pregnant” and “non-pregnant”. Not for those, the current "power" and its accomplices "under the peak" are learning. You risk getting what you deserve and ending up just as bad.
                1. bk316 7 May 2020 20: 15 New
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                  Some of them have already tried to broadcast about “pregnant” and “non-pregnant”.

                  What an interesting dialogue has been outlined laughing

                  I’m talking about the matmodel and you’re talking about the "" slaves
                  I'm talking about GOST and you're talking about "non-less"
                  I tell you about your hometown and you about the "Muscovites"

                  In the absence of any evidence in any of your posts, I understand that you are a demagogue, but
                  why such a strange skew? Do you have complexes? no
                  1. Lexus 7 May 2020 20: 29 New
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                    I’m talking about the matmodel and you’re talking about the "" slaves
                    I'm talking about GOST and you're talking about "non-less"

                    Obviously, you think that it is quite possible to treat patients with prayer and reading GOST? And that PPE, medicines and equipment are not needed - the main thing is to flush, and it doesn’t matter that they could bring infection to another settlement, which actually happened in Russia. Cool. Do not blabber and hypocrites blame me in demagogy. Especially about the distortions.
                    1. bk316 7 May 2020 20: 46 New
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                      Obviously, you think that it is quite possible to treat patients with prayer and reading GOST?

                      N yes a hard case. And you are not a bot by accident?
                      I am wrote in Russian Why is this GOST needed: for discovering facts of subscripts of under-registration. Although of course there is still much for what.
                      1. Lexus 7 May 2020 21: 09 New
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                        And you are not a bot by accident?

                        You show the inability to communicate, the prophetic mantra, you, and the bot, then I. In this case, use the tongue of a vertichail, and not Russian. You forgot how to communicate in your native language. Sadness.
                  2. NEOZ 7 May 2020 22: 03 New
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                    I’m talking about the matmodel and you’re talking about the "" slaves

                    Yes, he doesn’t care!
                    his goal is to increase the level of tension in society.
                    he is generally from a neighboring country ...
          4. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 09 New
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            My friends do not do this (under-registration) and most importantly they have no incentive for this. Rather, there is a motive for registration, but it is purely hypothetical.

            why go far, Lyubertsy, 30 km from the Kremlin. CT is not done for patients; until recently, tests have not been performed. What do you think, on the basis of what and what diagnosis can be made?
            Recall Sobyanin:
            and today he confirmed the figure-300 thousand in Moscow. And officially in Russia now 177 thousand patients. The numbers do not converge!
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              And officially in Russia now 177 thousand patients. The numbers do not converge!

              Great Sylvester! You finally asked a question that I have been failing for a long time. good
              The truth is that you should know the answer to it. laughing

              177 thousand patients - this is the official number of infected confirmed by the test results. These data are sent to WHO as the number of cases, here we have a difference in the methodology, for example, from the USA, the clinical picture of the disease is still needed.

              And last week in Moscow they conducted population testing, that is, a blind test, including the presence of antibodies to coronavirus (this was announced by the way). Everything is as it should be for a matmodel with the correct selection, etc. Then we calculated the model and got it.
              OFFICIAL SUGGESTED NUMBER OF INFECTED.

              Thus, both numbers are official, but one is identified (PROVEN), the other is alleged (CALCULATED BY MATMODEL)


              Well, why they are different, I hope it is not necessary to explain. laughing
              Unfortunately, the results of population testing cannot simply be distributed throughout the country. sad It is necessary to conduct tests by region separately because the reference groups will be different.
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                And last week in Moscow conducted population testing

                only doctors, we handed over and only once, it turned out to be expensive. 19.2% of doctors had antibodies, but no one had a clinic. After a week, many lost their sense of smell. They continue to work, there is no one else. Today, an anesthetist who was doing well 2 weeks ago (CT, tests) was transferred to mechanical ventilation. They are also “asymptomatic”, as Ivanov assures?
                1. bk316 7 May 2020 21: 05 New
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                  only doctors, we handed over and only once, it turned out to be expensive.

                  I don’t know about once. as you understand, this is not important for the model.
                  And the fact that only doctors are not true, even to police teachers and the military for sure. I didn’t know how I selected the reference (I can find out), but expensively it’s bullshit population testing for such models it’s enough to carry out 0,1% - 10000 with a daily volume of 40000 - just about anything.
                  In general, I somehow doubt that it was population testing to get into one hundredth of a percent is difficult laughing
      2. Doccor18 7 May 2020 16: 34 New
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        Tests do not fail by mistake in +, and if they are mistaken, then in -
        And if you add the quantity
        asymptomatic course
        people with a low temperature,
        who do not apply for
        medical care, then the amount is not less, but times
        3 more than the official
        statistics.
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 48 New
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          In the United States, asymptomatic carriers of infection are not counted as diseased. We are taken into account. And so, yes: the number of asymptomatic (not sick!) At least 10 times more. Whether we want it or not, we will catch almost everything, except the immune systems, due to the peculiarities of the immune system, sooner or later. Otherwise, we will not see collective immunity. Another thing is that everyone will have a different disease.
          1. bk316 7 May 2020 19: 36 New
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            In the United States, asymptomatic carriers of infection are not counted as diseased. We are taken into account. And so, yes: the number of asymptomatic (not sick!) At least 10 times more. Whether we want it or not, we will catch almost everything, except the immune systems, due to the peculiarities of the immune system, sooner or later. Otherwise, we will not see collective immunity. Another thing is that everyone will have a different disease.


            Now look at the lexus and others, what turns VO. A person writes either facts or reasonable assumptions, But he is joyfully minus.

            In the United States, asymptomatic carriers of infection are not counted as diseased.

            - fact-officially transmitted to WHO information. By the way, not only in the USA.

            And so, yes: the number of asymptomatic (not sick!) At least 10 times more.
            - the number 10 is debatable, but the essence is true five times guaranteed. And the models are obtained and officially officially recognized.

            Whether we want it or not, we will catch almost everything, except the immune systems, due to the peculiarities of the immune system, sooner or later.

            If you read carefully, taking into account "sooner or later" and given the elasticity of the concept of "almost everything" - a fact.

            each disease will proceed differently.
            - Does anyone doubt that this is so?

            Corrected as I could.
            1. Lexus 7 May 2020 20: 36 New
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              But it is joyfully minus.

              This is your sectarian method - you can’t shout it out, so at night until you erase your fingers you are "objectionable" to throw. I did not authorize you to speak on my behalf. "Pomelom" mark exclusively for yourself. And your business is to believe cheaters or not. I have no such desire. I don’t play thimbles.
          2. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 17 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            the number of asymptomatic (not sick!) at least 10 times more

            no asymptomatic! Stop flood! Asymptomatic have morphological changes in the lungs! Read special literature, and better control the plane. I don’t know how to fly a plane and I’m not teaching anyone
            1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 23: 38 New
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              I am not teaching anyone. According to the Botkin Infectious Disease, about 50% of cases of covid with clinical manifestations proceed as an ARVI, without damage to the lower respiratory tract. These are statistics on hospitalized.
              1. New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 13 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                According to the Botkin Infectious Disease, about 50% of cases of covid with clinical manifestations proceed as an ARVI

                In addition to the clinic, there are methods of objective diagnosis. The time when the diagnosis was made according to the color of the skin and the color of urine passed. 21st Century - the Century of EVIDENTIAL medicine other than Africa laughing
        2. bk316 7 May 2020 17: 18 New
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          and times
          3 more than the official
          statistics.

          And how many, for example, in Moscow according to the official statistics of those infected?
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          Quote: Doccor18
          Amount not less than times
          3 more than the official
          statistics.

          somewhere so
      3. kjhg 7 May 2020 16: 47 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        We have exaggerated statistics

        Strange, but Sobyanin said that there are three times more cases of sick than according to official data. Apparently, he is not as well informed as you and your daughter.
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 06 New
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          Sobyanin piled up two concepts: “infected” and “sick”. Infected is a carrier of infection, often asymptomatic. Does not need treatment, but can infect others. A sick person is one who has clinical manifestations of the disease. We, almost all, are carriers of the herpes virus. A few units are ill with them.
          1. kjhg 7 May 2020 17: 12 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Sobyanin dumped two concepts into a heap: "infected" and "sick"

            Who cares? What, from a virus infected fewer people can become infected and die? They walk and infect others. It’s the same as reassuring, as the zombie man does, that people died from popping gas, not from an explosion. Although previously called an explosion. And it's cold to compare with herpes. Herpes is not as contagious as coronavirus, and they do not die from it.
            1. bk316 7 May 2020 17: 29 New
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              Herpes is not as contagious as coronavirus, and they do not die from it.

              Indeed, it is sometimes better to be silent ...
              Still contagious, WINDWOOD IS A HERPES VIRUS.
              And a friend of mine is completely dying.
              And the difference is obvious. ASYMPTOMATIC CARRIER DOES NOT NEED TO BE TREATED, it does not put a strain on doctors, it just needs to stay at home. ANDREW ALL WRITTEN CORRECTLY. good Why did Sobyanini do it and whether it is right - this is also a good question, but it is for those who are at least a little in the subject. laughing
              1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 46 New
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                Chickenpox is best tolerated in childhood. Adults carry it much harder. To me, as a child she was not sick, her daughter from school brought. The result - 3 days in intensive care, and scars from papules remained for life.
                1. bk316 7 May 2020 18: 52 New
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                  her daughter from school brought.

                  I’m not sick as a child, therefore, as a daughter I gave it to school and went and was vaccinated.
            2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 30 New
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              We will catch everything, or almost everything. Whether we want it or not. Until collective immunity is formed.
              1. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 22 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Until collective immunity is formed.

                I want to disappoint you: RNA virus gives immunity short-term, within 1-1.5 months. The more severely a person is sick, the stronger is the immune response (mildly ill and extremely severe ill exceptions).
                We have a doctor with reinfection Covid-19. Physicians were insured in case of 300 thousand covid disease with a multiplicity of up to 5 cases! Read it! the frequency of FIVE cases per person!
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                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Read it! the frequency of FIVE cases per person!

                  How's that, Sylvester? Until you get over 5 times, you won’t get insurance?
                  1. New Year day 7 May 2020 23: 29 New
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                    Quote: kjhg
                    How's that, Sylvester? Till

                    No, each case is 300 thousand and so on up to 5 times
          2. Oleg Zorin 7 May 2020 21: 31 New
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            From the point of view of a clinician, there is a difference. From the point of view of an epidemiologist, there is one. Because asymptomatic is more dangerous epidemically.
      4. Baloo 7 May 2020 17: 09 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Our statistics are exaggerated, asymptomatic are attributed to the sick. Like our tests, unlike the western ones, which do not always work on the virus, ours give false positives.

        In our region for almost a month there was a plateau of 60-70 new cases. Warmer and immediately jump. Over the past day, 105 new cases, 4 dead, one of them is a doctor of the PMC, 51 years old. In our hospital, 4 doctors fell ill, including 2 resuscitators. All this is a serious and mocking grunt inappropriate. Doctors and authorities do everything. Test results after 4 hours. Do not disparage doctors against the crown. He was in the building of 200 bed temporary infectious diseases hospital. Of course, the doctors are scared, but they work harmoniously, together, no one is aching, the normal business environment. I would be a believer, I would pray for them every day.
      5. HAM
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        Something like that ... yes?
      6. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 00 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Our statistics are exaggerated, asymptomatic are attributed to the sick.

        Are asymptomatic patients not sick? Read the Japanese, Koreans, all "asymptomatic" have morphological lesions of the lungs. And if so, are they sick or not ?. By the way, "asymptomatic" is precisely the source of infection in healthy people.
        In the end, Sobyanin today indicated the number of patients in Moscow, about 300 thousand people. And this is not a complete statistic.
        1. bk316 7 May 2020 20: 52 New
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          And this is not a complete statistic.

          Already answered you this is not a statistic this is a simulation.
          Will they ever get into the statistics or not is unknown.
      7. opus 7 May 2020 23: 32 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Our statistics are exaggerated, asymptomatic are attributed to the sick.

        Rave. Just the opposite.
        Come on, pull out the data on those who have died from AIDS / heart / hepatitis for the 1st quarter and part of the 2nd quarter and in 2020, you’ll
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        . Like our tests, unlike Western ones, which do not always work on a virus, ours give

        1. Our tests are full of threshing floor and Popova-must sit for the embezzlement of state funds

        2. our even normal tests cannot buy. Biozek Medical tests were purchased through Biotek LLC (Sobyanin buys them five times as much as the purchase price: well, not on curbs during the plague, but on tests: 31 billion harness thighs), which are positioned as Made in Niderlande (Inzek International Trading BV ) But in fact, the full Chinese barn from Inzek International Trading BV with a performance of 50-52%. Zeki Hamid will definitely sit down: one Macedonian is worth it. But for us, is it any easier on this?

        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And so, yes: the cat left the kittens ...

        do not insult the Supreme! The FSB is watching. Get a fine. He is not a cat, we are not kittens.

        The Constitution of the Russian Federation
        Chapter 4. President of Russian Federation
        Article 82.
        In the exercise of the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, I swear to respect and protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, to observe and protect the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to protect the sovereignty and independence, security and integrity of the state, faithfully serve the people
        1. opus 8 May 2020 01: 23 New
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          But in fact, the full Chinese barn from Inzek International Trading BV

          Hangzhou Alltest Biotech Co. Ltd.
    3. Alien From 7 May 2020 16: 27 New
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      Only one answer: State Dura !!!
    4. Barmaleyka 7 May 2020 16: 36 New
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      Quote: lexus
      Even according to false "official" statistics

      do you have evidence of deceit ?!
      If not difficult, give REAL statistics
      1. bk316 7 May 2020 17: 21 New
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        do you have evidence of deceit ?!

        Yes, he does not have any evidence, they are simply not needed.
        What to discuss troll.
        Here is a THEME ARTICLE really interesting.
        After all, mistakes (well, in my opinion) are both purely tactical (such as traffic jams in the metro with the introduction of passes) and strategic ones ....
        1. Lexus 7 May 2020 20: 39 New
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          Yes, he does not have any evidence, they are simply not needed.

          Just I demand evidence, and not hawk meekly juggling.
          What to discuss troll.

          Notice, I'm not discussing you.
    5. Pravodel 7 May 2020 17: 02 New
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      The scribblers know how to turn everything inside out: "Health care is well organized, but there are no masks." Well, surprisingly, the main thing is that there are no masks .... Dear, the point is not in masks, although in them too, but in that it is worse for self-isolation in Russian than in Italian or American, when the eldest the generation is self-insulating - it maintains its own health, and young people - it’s all figs, what self-isolation, I am not in danger, the coronovirus is like the flu, and I got the flu, and nothing died. Add to this, transferring schools, institutes, colleges, universities to a remote place, when a certain part only studies nominally — goes to school, parents force them, and so study - also from FIG, and we get that sitting at home in self-isolation mode is completely worthless : there’s nothing to do. So it turns out that self-isolation is also a fiction: there’s nothing to do at home, I’m going out to the street, I’m hanging out with friends .... Hence, the result: I don’t get infected, I can infect others ...
      Another thing is that there really are mistakes when introducing a self-isolation regime. First of all, with regard to those returning from abroad. It is known that the virus is not ours, not a Russian invention, it is an imported one. And here is precisely the mistake of power: there should have been a regime of severe isolation of all those who returned from behind the hill. But this has not been done. As a result, we got what we got: 160 thousand are infected today, I think this is not the limit. At the current rate of 11 thousand infected per day, we can soon pass over 5 thousand. So it turns out that the point is not in masks.
      By the way, in Germany you can now go out, but only in a mask. The fine, if there is no mask, is 5000 eureka. Even for the wealthy bourgeoisie this is - hooooh ...
      1. AUL
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        The authorities again demonstrated their inability to solve the tasks assigned to it, complete lack of talent. Which, in general, is not surprising, given the principles of the formation of this power - personal devotion, blat, nepotism.
        Well, the pandemic will someday end (I hope). And will have to rebuild the country from the chaos and ruins of the economy. Will these mediocracies cope with such a task? Well, I doubt it very much! Rather, they dump "over the hill", where real estate and bills are already in store.
        1. New Year day 7 May 2020 20: 29 New
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          Quote: AUL
          The authorities again demonstrated their inability to solve the tasks assigned to it, complete lack of talent.

          What to go far. The beginning of total checks of passes in the subway on April 15.

          An increase in the incidence after an incubation period.

          on 7.05.20/XNUMX/XNUMX

          Sobyanin with his ..... contributed to a significant increase in the incidence. For this, incidentally, there is an article in the Criminal Code. Only who will condemn him?
          1. bk316 7 May 2020 20: 56 New
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            Why go far.

            AYAYA AYAYA shame Sylvester.
            Two weeks is a 97% chance of detecting a disease, that is, a statistically MAXIMUM incubation period. The median is a CHARACTERISTIC INCUBATION PERIOD -6 days.
            Are you really a doctor, is this a medical assistant course?
            1. New Year day 7 May 2020 21: 13 New
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              Quote: bk316
              The median is a CHARACTERISTIC INCUBATION PERIOD -6 days.

              laughing
              Quote: bk316
              Are you really a doctor, is this a medical assistant course?

              i'm a watchman laughing
              I understand that you are away from communications, so send your sarcasm

              where it is written in black letters on a white background
              "The incubation period is from 2 to 14 days, an average of 5-7 days"
              Do you know what is mean?
        2. Idolater 8 May 2020 02: 53 New
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          Quote: AUL
          the principles of the formation of this power - personal devotion, blat, nepotism

          It is a pity that professionalism is not appreciated by them.
      2. opus 8 May 2020 01: 34 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        The hacks are able to turn everything inside out:

        yep
        Quote: Ilya Polonsky
        Even experts from the World Health Organization noted the good organization of the healthcare system in Russia, and the good work in combating COVID-19.

        FUFLOMYCIN.
        We are somewhere in the 39th place.

        Another thing is that there really are mistakes when introducing a self-isolation regime. First of all, with regard to those returning from abroad.

        But what is the "self-isolation" mode?
        is it like the usefulness of increasing retirement age and VAT?

        Quote: The Truth
        By the way, in Germany you can now go out, but only in a mask. The fine, if there is no mask, is 5000 eureka.

        bullshit. You are an arbidol, as Golikova does not bargain with chance?
        In cities like Jena, there is a fine of 50 euros
        And in most lands there is no fine for a mask
        Viele Bundesländer, darunter Baden-Württemberg und Rheinland-Pfalz, wollen zunächst von einer Strafe absehen und ein Gespräch mit den „maskenlosen" Bürgern suchen Allerdings macht Ministerpräsidentin Malu Dreyer deutlich: “Eine Pflicht bedeutet aber auch, dass das Ganze am Ende bußgeldfähig wird.” In Städten wie Jena droht ein Bußgeld in Höhe von 50 Euro.

        Why didn’t you immediately heat up 25000 euros? Our electorate eats more shit about them with pleasure ...
        In Baden-Württemberg trat die geänderte Rechtsverordnung mit dem neuen Corona-Bußgeldkatalog am Sonntag (29. März) in Kraft. Wer jetzt gegen das Kontaktverbot verstößt und sich mit mehr als 2 Menschen aus anderen Haushalten in der Öffentlichkeit bewegt, dem droht ein Bußgeld zwischen 100 und 1.000 Euro. Wer einen wegen Corona geschlossenen Frizeursalon, eine Bar oder einen Club trotzdem weiterbetreibt, muss mit Strafen zwischen 2.500 and 5.000 Euro rechnen. Und wer trotz Verbots ein Krankenhaus oder ein Pflegeheim besucht, riskiert ein Bußgeld zwischen 250 und 1.500 Euro. Bei wiederholten Verstößen kann es bis 25.000 Euro teuer werden.
    6. knn54 7 May 2020 17: 19 New
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      -Health is well organized, but no masks.
      For me, healthcare and treatment have not been synonymous for a long time.
    7. Rostislav Prokopenko 7 May 2020 17: 21 New
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      But at the same time, we are in mortality rates closing. Better only Vietnam and Vatican laughing
    8. Walrus fang 7 May 2020 19: 57 New
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      Even according to false "official" statistics, Russia is confidently torn into the lead in terms of the number of infected people. Not in the economy, not in the social sphere, not in health care, but on the scale of impending disaster!

      The alarmists and whiners in Russia have never been loved and most often shot .. hi
      Quote: lexus
      Thanks to the "self-reliant non-pride". Are these really the “achievements” that everyone has been striving for?

      Yes, everything is fine. Go to Bolotnaya for protests))))
      Riot police will not touch you .. And then do not be offended !!!
      All for sanitation))))) And away
    9. NEOZ 7 May 2020 21: 51 New
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      Quote: lexus
      Even according to false "official" statistics

      justify?
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      where do you get grandmothers for demagogy? Or are you a volunteer of a foreign agitation industry? bully
  2. Pivot 7 May 2020 16: 19 New
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    I like that the alcohol stores in our city work, and the construction ones are closed, the crane has recently leaked, the gaskets were well at home and I don’t know where I was looking for them.
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      Quote: Pivot
      construction closed

      Strange according to the first government decree, building materials and tobacco products became vital. This is the local nonsense.
      1. _Sergei_ 7 May 2020 18: 53 New
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        Construction workers did not work for three days at the beginning of quarantine, that is, in early April. And then they still work. I’m building a fence in the garden, so I know.
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          But it depends on the region. They gave power to the regions how much they will master, here they master someone who is in no small measure, but with caution not to go too far, a Sobyan marker.
      2. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 22: 14 New
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        Quote: for
        Quote: Pivot
        construction closed

        Strange according to the first government decree, building materials and tobacco products became vital. This is the local nonsense.

        confirm - closed
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          Quote: Crown without virus
          confirm - closed

          I sympathize with us open. Samara
          1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 23: 25 New
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            I accidentally broke my wife’s massage brush for two weeks - I had to buy mgaz via the Internet - 500 rubles for a hairbrush and paid 1500 rubles for delivery laughing
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              Quote: Crown without virus
              I paid 1500 r for delivery

              From the moon delivery? In Leroy check more than 2000 for free, CSN 1rub. (not 1000).
              1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 23: 36 New
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                take the calculator in hand and consider: 30r. for every km from MKAD))) yes - you could have bought something else that wasn’t necessary so that the check was 3000 r - then it would have been free - but it’s still 1 thousand more expensive than this comb cost me am

                and so besides all five !!! local shops are closed (((
    2. kjhg 7 May 2020 16: 55 New
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      Quote: Pivot
      Recently, the tap has flowed, the gaskets were well at home and I don’t know where I would be looking for them.

      And savvy to you for what? Temporary gasket can be cut out of the soft plastic can lid, from rubber products, etc.
      Last weekend I drove to Leroy-Merlin outside the Moscow Ring Road. So there in line people stand for 1,5-2 hours. To the people - do not push through. Queues from the street. Until someone comes out, they’re not allowed inside. He spat, went to another store, less.
      1. Pivot 7 May 2020 17: 23 New
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        Why do I need ingenuity, I had gaskets, and if I hadn’t solved the problems as they arrived, but why humpbacked if you can buy in a store, I don’t understand why a building materials store is more dangerous than a supermarket.
      2. Pivot 7 May 2020 17: 25 New
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        Complete nonsense, in a tight five or the ABC of taste, people come and crowd without problems, and in Leroy you need to stand on the street.
    3. Baloo 7 May 2020 17: 10 New
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      Quote: Pivot
      I like that the alcohol stores in our city work, and the construction ones are closed, the crane has recently leaked, the gaskets were well at home and I don’t know where I was looking for them.

      I’m through an Internet in a megastroy and all the tools for three days I get everything I need.
      1. Pivot 7 May 2020 17: 20 New
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        After 3 days, I will lose my mind from dripping water.
    4. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 33 New
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      We have construction workers in St. Petersburg. Admitted there, however, one at a time - two people. Cafes work takeout, but a lot of things work. But with limitations.
    5. ycuce234-san 11 May 2020 00: 14 New
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      recently, the tap is dripping, well the gaskets were at home

      A moment of humor - the old art of cutting gaskets for taps from a suitable gum (from a sole or rubber boot, for example) in the world seems to have survived only in Cuba, where not only auto parts for the well-known Cuban oldtimers, but almost all plumbing and consumables are scarce her - they are there "retro in the original." True, in Cuba, rubber nodules should grow climatically and it even sells rubber goods in the Russian Federation for little things, so local sanitary technicians, there, maybe immediately baked rubber-cured rubber in the mold.
      1. Pivot 11 May 2020 00: 37 New
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        But where are we going to the Cubans, we have already degraded from prosperity, I remember I had a complete garage before spare parts and tools, now I have little things left.
  3. Pvi1206 7 May 2020 16: 21 New
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    the matter is dark ...
    among my acquaintances, no one is ill with this ... among acquaintances of my acquaintances - too ... but the "stars" and even the chief minister get sick ... the stars recover quickly ... and PR - then later ... the familiar doctor said that now almost every death is attributed to coronoviros ... for statistics ... and the registrar of the emergency hospital gave a non-disclosure agreement ...
    1. Sergej1972 7 May 2020 22: 21 New
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      I already have acquaintances among my friends. And in the rural area of ​​the Oryol region, where relatives live, the other day, the first person died from coronavirus. He got infected from his wife, a doctor who works in Moscow and arrived on a visit. She still managed to visit a bunch of friends. Medic, and the behavior is irresponsible.
  4. Lannan Shi 7 May 2020 16: 24 New
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    The fight against the virus is not progressing. No way. For there is none, this struggle. There is a pathos show. And the result is logical. The second in the world in terms of the growth of cases. In a week we will be second in the total number of patients. Complete and unconditional failure. And this is during the month of handicap, compared with different Europe.
    1. paul3390 7 May 2020 16: 54 New
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      1. The authorities were not able to ensure the safety of the population, because they did not impose tough measures on the spot a la China or Vietnam. Instead - some kind of stupid and meaningless type of self-isolation. Although there is, after all, both quarantine and emergency mode. But no .. With all the consequences.
      2. Putin’s vertical of power was absolutely not working. The mess as it was - continues, and half a year as the epidemic began. On the ground - some in the woods, some for firewood. They could not provide banal masks. But - heaps of all sorts of formidable decisions are made ..
      3. Putin turned out to be frankly weak. For all his pointers - they put everything with the device .. Starting from banks, ending with the population. It turned out - that no one began to listen to him, but to force him - he could not or did not want to. Thus, violating the commander’s first commandment - never give orders that you can’t force to execute. And this is his weakness - to us soon oh how comes around ..
      4. Putin was corny greed. For he did not give a penny from the accumulated population, when many were literally put on the brink of survival .. Putting everything on our shoulders. And then it will only get worse. And our Koschey - languishes over gold. Type - a small egg on a rainy day. - if it’s not him, then which one is really black ??? In general, it became clear that our survival is purely our problems. The authorities are not going to interfere. Moreover, she openly scoffs at us, demanding that we, from nowhere, also pay taxes and salaries. Yes, they took loans for this, which is generally beyond reason ..

      Conclusion: And to hell with us such power ?? But the most disgusting - apparently only ahead .. But the capitalist elite have already demonstrated all their "best" qualities. They don’t care about us. It means we want to survive, we need to change power. Back to the Soviet. Only in this way there are chances for a better future ..
      1. Sergej1972 7 May 2020 22: 23 New
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        Economic problems are yet to come, so he does everything right.
    2. Nastia makarova 8 May 2020 07: 27 New
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      fake is a virus))))
  5. Doccor18 7 May 2020 16: 28 New
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    In Russia, the severity of laws is mitigated by the possibility of their
    do not perform. Gold words!
    So with the self-isolation mode,
    help to the population and small business, the fight against the disease.
    When you hear about half measures, you remember: low shoes,
    half ... and much more half ...
  6. rocket757 7 May 2020 16: 33 New
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    The capital, the concentrate of vices, for a long time and for a long time .....
    We are probably far from all this, because not a lot of cases .....
    About how all kinds of measures are followed, we can speak very conditionally.
    Quote: Pivot
    I like that the alcohol stores in our city work, and the construction ones are closed, the crane has recently leaked, the gaskets were well at home and I don’t know where I was looking for them.

    Almost everything works for us and people wander wherever they want, as they want! although the police are happy with some sort of raids, but so far this doesn’t bother anyone!
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      Quote: rocket757
      The capital, the concentrate of vices, for a long time and for a long time .....
      We are probably far from all this, because not a lot of cases .....

      So far, Victor, but the people are returning from Moscow-Babylon and here already ..
      Quote: rocket757
      Almost everything works for us and people wander wherever they want, as they want! although the police are happy with some sort of raids, but so far this doesn’t bother anyone!

      We also isolate the "Muscovites guest" isolate like .. But people are tired already hiding .. And there it will be seen! Tired of this "groundhog day" month .. Everything works, but with masks ..
      1. rocket757 7 May 2020 18: 53 New
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        The people are back, lucky, lucky infection!
        Catch, little by little, more than 3 dozen have already been gathered. BUT, people care about this very conditionally until the wave goes, of course!
        It seems that everyone will have to get sick, to create an immune barrier, as doctors say. Whether it helps or not, one knows ... but no one knows yet. There are many versions, but nobody will risk putting a tooth behind it.
        We can not do anything, it will be as it will!
  7. Barmaleyka 7 May 2020 16: 35 New
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    we have the appearance of struggle and not struggle
    there is no real quarantine, the outbreak is in Moscow, but it is not closed, everyone wound around the country back and forth
    1. Jager 7 May 2020 17: 03 New
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      there is no focus of the disease; it has long spread across the country.
    2. bk316 7 May 2020 17: 23 New
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      hearth in Moscow,

      Already no, and if you strictly didn’t say it, almost all of the first cases of sickness were transit from abroad to the regions. There was such a moment when the transit was almost over, but it wasn’t in the country yet, but alas, it passed ...
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        Already no, and if you strictly didn’t say it, almost all of the first cases of sickness were transit from abroad to the regions.

        In Moscow, half of Russia earned money and the infection went from there to Russia .. And this is a fact! They come from Moscow or through it home with money and begins walking around guests and relatives .. There are many such cases .. alas! There is no work in the province ..
        But when the government started to get sick, here they see the kids began to come back from all kinds of Krushavels, etc.
        Dad mom I came back and throw in a hug ..)))
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          The desire to create mega-cities leads to mega-problems.
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        Quote: bk316
        There was a moment when the transit was almost over

  8. Gate68 7 May 2020 16: 42 New
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    In my opinion, whatever they took up, maybe even with good intentions, everything goes according to Chernomyrdin — if they wanted it better, it turned out as always.
    1. ver_ 7 May 2020 18: 18 New
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      ... and we always do everything through the anus ...
  9. samarin1969 7 May 2020 16: 54 New
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    The measures criticized by the author will give doctors a chance to just hold out. How many of them get sick is hard to evaluate. But hospitals are quite officially closed in batches "for observation." But the doctors are not engaged in “non-COVID one”. If you comply with quarantine, we will probably fall ill, but not all at once.

    ps The gastarbeiters promised a year ago did not see anything. Soon, ersatz doctors of 4-5 courses will become a deficit.
    1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 21 New
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      The measures criticized by the author allow doctors not to face a terrible dilemma: who should live and whom should be disconnected from oxygen.
  10. Glagol1 7 May 2020 17: 04 New
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    The power of the fight against the virus failed, of course. The statistics are of course understated. Yesterday it was announced that they could not get Mikrin out. He alone costs more than 100 Putin. And he is no more. Bitter and embarrassing.
  11. Amateur 7 May 2020 17: 14 New
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    How is the fight against coronavirus progressing

    Fight towards improvement - not enough qualifications.
    Fight in the direction of deterioration - does not allow the authorities.
    Therefore, we push the fight to the side. fellow
  12. Revival 7 May 2020 17: 27 New
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    Coronovirus clearly showed:
    1. what was called habitually ...... betrayed people, abandoned them!
    2. what is called ....... turned out to be helpless and useless!
    3. what was called ....
  13. alone 7 May 2020 17: 33 New
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    As I understand it, in Russia after May 11th, measures will be taken to weaken the regime of self-isolation (Not to be confused with karate, these are different things) ... That is, when the number of infected people was 400-500 per day, self-isolation was necessary, and now when the number of infected has reached 10+ per day, can self-isolation be weakened? request But Sobyanin generally said that in Moscow there are about 300 patients. recourse
    This is the result of the lack of a pandemic program .. It could have been developed 2-3 months ago. But then everyone was busy in every way proving the fake virus, powdering the brain with people ..
    1. Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 20: 31 New
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      Quote: lonely
      As I understand it, in Russia after May 11

      Putin will speak and say what to do next.
      1. alone 7 May 2020 20: 37 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Putin will speak and say what to do next.

        Shaw, again ??? wassat
        1. Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 20: 43 New
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          Quote: lonely
          Shaw, again?

          Here is the number of the 10th and it will appear from his bunker on a TV box, will extend the vacation without maintenance for another couple of weeks. So that life does not seem to be honey. And then relaxed here, you panim ...
          1. Sergej1972 7 May 2020 22: 38 New
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            State employees, security officials, senior citizens receive money. Large industrial enterprises and construction organizations work, people receive money. Grocery stores and takeaway catering are open. Small business, mainly in the service sector, and the self-employed are suffering.
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      will be extended until the end of May !!!
  14. Revival 7 May 2020 17: 37 New
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    They will introduce any measures they want. Any!
    Everything can be done with these people!
  15. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 17: 47 New
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    Of all the "state assistance in the fight against the crown," I noticed only one thing - once a week cops with a "matyugalnik" drive through our village and urge everyone to "isolate themselves" am and the state doesn’t care that I personally have NOT been working for almost 2 months because of him - but I work officially, but in the business ... according to OKVED codes, our NOT recognized as a victim of the virus - so I was asked to "suck big and fat "at his own expense bully
    1. Sergej1972 7 May 2020 22: 41 New
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      Perhaps your activity is not recognized as paramount. Cynically speaking, if your organization is bent, there will be no particular damage to the state and society. I feel sorry for you personally and your family.
      1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 23: 01 New
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        Quote: Sergej1972
        Perhaps your activity is not recognized as paramount. Cynically speaking, if your organization is bent, there will be no particular damage to the state and society. I feel sorry for you personally and your family.

        Well, then I will not care about this state and this is a society where no one needs me bully
        1. Sergej1972 8 May 2020 02: 48 New
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          You can try to retrain. In modern conditions, a person during his life is forced to repeatedly change the scope of his professional activity. And social status. From entrepreneurs to hired workers and vice versa.
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            Quote: Sergej1972
            You can try to retrain. In modern conditions, a person during his life is forced to repeatedly change the scope of his professional activity. And social status. From entrepreneurs to hired workers and vice versa.


            I am 50 years old - and my beard became gray-haired at 25 - when I was an entrepreneur - do you propose me joining the bandits ?! bully
            1. Sergej1972 8 May 2020 04: 35 New
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              Is it age?)
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                You know, at 25 years old, walking with a gray beard and a wheat mustache - as it was NOT comme il faut repeat
  16. Freeman 7 May 2020 18: 19 New
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    How will I go to work on May 12th. If I go.



    We were sent to quarantine at the end of March, without an official order from the factory, we just posted a list of duty shifts for a week.
    I didn’t get into them, respectively, I don’t have any “digital pass” and I don’t have any details for receiving it.
    The authorities, for the entire time of "self-isolation", have never "bothered". But when there were elections, they called to find out if I went to vote.

    Masks in pharmacies 30-50 rubles / pcs in packs of 5-10 pcs. Such a "business" "fucking" at their "cheap" cost and low initial purchase price.
    There is no desire to “feed” such “businessmen” - but to pay a draconian fine is also “not an option”. am
  17. Klingon 7 May 2020 18: 36 New
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    . * Even the World Health Organization experts noted the good organization of the system * - this is all hypocrisy and lies. The shameless government does not consider it necessary to adequately pay for the hard work of doctors and nurses.
    You know, the oligators are being treated in Switzerland / Germany, they wanted to spit on everyone else, they will last on the macaroni.
    and say no masks? send striped masks already found on the whole Ruslan
  18. Region-25.rus 7 May 2020 18: 55 New
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    "there are no masks. All the best to you, mood, hold on" (c) the government
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      Quote: Region-25.rus
      no masks.

      We have. Established release and sale.
  19. Revival 7 May 2020 19: 13 New
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    Whatever measures we discuss, we must understand and proceed from the fact that Russia is a country, basically, of Resigned Beggars.
    Therefore, they will introduce those measures that they want and will not ask anyone, who generally asks slaves, and when it happened ...
  20. Alexey Kurtov 7 May 2020 20: 22 New
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    In 1831, "cholera riots" occurred in a number of Russian cities during the cholera epidemic. Tired of self-isolation, people, fueled by rumors of intentional infections, went out on the street and organized pogroms. Doctors also took doctors to this troubled time. According to the crowd, the doctors were taken to hospitals absolutely healthy people, and already in hospitals they hounded the unfortunate and buried alive.The most active and desperate townspeople gathered in gangs, searched random passers-by for the presence of bottles, vials and other attributes of the poisoner. Naturally, in case of detection of the desired suspect, a beating would be expected, at best and in the worst, death. They "saved" the patients by beating them out of medical carriages. As a result, a crazed crowd at the peak of atrocities broke into a cholera hospital, interrupted the doctors, crippled the nursing staff and crushed all the medical equipment. Is it necessary to say that the fight against the epidemic is all didn't contribute?
  21. Klingon 7 May 2020 22: 04 New
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    it

    the main thing is that the Oligators live well. Russia One + is inside MKAD, everything is fine for them, everything will be upgraded. And the rest is Russia 2.0
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      the main thing is that the Oligators live well

      They live so well. And every year is getting better and better ...
  22. certero 7 May 2020 23: 00 New
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    I will say that I was very disappointed with both the president and the mayor of Moscow. Even all those few good things that were done earlier are very much offset by the behavior of the authorities during this crisis.
    And now, the desire to cash in on the mask mode, just infuriates.
    Well, the notorious help. almost all my acquaintances, albeit with a scratch, paid taxes, I expect that from this at least something will be better. And then came the moment when the state was supposed to pay its own bills by helping all the people.
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    The Russians recommended for the period of self-isolation to have a contract of sale or lease of real estate. Such advice was given in the Judicial Chamber of Experts (SEP) of Russia, reports TASS.

    In the event that self-isolation does not take place at the place of permanent registration, it is better for citizens to be prepared to present this agreement to the police or the Russian Guard. Lawyers noted that although the law does not require a citizen to confirm his place of residence, this paper will help to avoid possible checks.

    No words, some obscene letters.
    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/05/07/docs/
  24. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 02: 02 New
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    huh ... bully latest field news laughing
    walked with a dog a couple of hours ago (no more than 100 m from the house hi ) and stumbled upon our maaalyusenky little square "drunk rally" "Citizens of alcoholics, hooligans, parasites" wassat they were drunk even in the hollow, but in full discussion they were discussing what to do when, after the May holidays, the money for vodka would run out and there was nowhere to make money negative from them I learned that "samokaratin" was extended in the Moscow Region until May 31 am

    nda ... sorry for the couple became this Power to me, even if such "scum of society" sober up bully
  25. riwas 8 May 2020 03: 48 New
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    Interestingly, Italians seem to treat coronavirus like us, but unlike us, remdesivir is widely used.
    https://medqueen.com/specialistam/protokoly-lecheniya/protokoly-lecheniya-statya/2362-covid-19-vedenie-i-lechenie-bolnyh-rekomendacii-simit-mart-2020.html
    1. riwas 8 May 2020 03: 57 New
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      But in general, who is what a lot. Three French therapists have created, they claim, an effective treatment for coronavirus: azithromycin, zinc gluconate, singular, heparin.
      https://www.bfm.ru/news/441522
      1. riwas 8 May 2020 04: 05 New
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        In Novosibirsk, a 55-year-old woman died of a coronavirus, from which they refused to take an analysis on it, because according to the decision of the Chief State Sanitary Doctor of the Russian Federation A. Popova. dated March 30, 2020 No. 9 “On Additional Measures to Prevent the Distribution of COVID-2019,” analysis is taken only in the following cases:
        - those who returned to the territory of the Russian Federation with signs of respiratory illness;
        - in contact with the patient COVID-2019;
        - with a diagnosis of community-acquired pneumonia;
        - Over 65 years of age, seeking medical help with symptoms of a respiratory disease;
        - to medical workers who have the risk of becoming infected with COVID-2019 in the workplace - once a week, and if symptoms do not exclude COVID-1 appear immediately;
        - to those who are in permanent establishments, regardless of the legal form (special educational institutions of a closed type, cadet corps, boarding schools, institutions of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia) and the staff of such organizations - when symptoms of a respiratory disease appear.
        https://ngs.ru/more/69240679/
        1. riwas 8 May 2020 04: 12 New
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          Specialists from the University of Mainz (Germany) analyzed the effectiveness of antiviral drugs in the fight against SARS-CoV-2 using the MOGON II supercomputer.
          Based on studies lasting about two months, the supercomputer found funds: simeprevir (sovriad), paritaprevir (VIKEIRA PAK), grazoprevir (ZEPATIR) and velpatasvir. Each price is a figure with five zeros.
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          Nobody dies from a coronovirus, they die from concomitant diseases or complications, so for general information.
  26. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 04: 24 New
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    oh yes ... for everyone I’ll tell you how the Chief differs from my Chef in the company - consider the situation one in 1 yes

    when, eleven years ago, competitors hit Chef and blocked all his accounts - personal and business - he sold his ring and provided us all with wages for 3 months drinks even in an envelope ...

    here after that in our company we all for the Chef will "lay bones" !!! drinks drinks drinks

    and for ... = at best, I will not say anything bully
  27. Razvedka_Boem 8 May 2020 06: 17 New
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    Sound comments drown in a sea of ​​emotions ..
    In Uzbekistan, after a month and a half of rather stringent measures backed by no less severe fines, the effect was manifested and today the whole country is divided into three color zones:
    Green - where there is not a single patient and no new infections are recorded.
    Yellow - where new infections have not been recorded in the last two weeks.
    Red - where over the past two weeks new patients have been recorded.
    The mode of wearing masks is maintained, taxis travel with a partition between the front and rear, public transport has not yet been launched, etc.
    The economic losses are not small, but the main thing was to maintain people's health.
    Treatment of the patient Kovid19 of moderate severity costs $ 30.000 (equivalently), $ 60.000 for a severe patient
    Compensated doctors are paid $ 10.000 compensation, working with patients 100% bonus, overtime payment, etc.
    What is the meaning of self-isolation? Reduce the number of patients so that doctors can help patients.
    No health system in the world is designed for a pandemic.
    China managed only by mobilizing doctors from all over the country to ONE city.
    Now suppose that there is an unlimited number of drugs, ventilators and beds.
    But even in this ideal case, specialists will not be enough. And the patient simply will not have time to help because of the large number of cases.
    Reprofiling doctors is an ineffective measure, as for example, a gynecologist cannot perform the work of a therapist or an epidemiologist.
    However, no one canceled other diseases or emergency operations.
  28. Angelo Provolone 8 May 2020 12: 15 New
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    And what will happen when the MFC is opened, for example? What kind of crowds will there be?
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    Quote: opus

    But what is the "self-isolation" mode?

    FUFLOMYCIN. (C) :)
    It was invented by the Russians in order not to pay money.
  30. KSVK 8 May 2020 16: 44 New
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    The gastarbeiters promised a year ago did not see anything.

    Go to the clinic. You probably have not been there a long time. There alone Gulchatay Farkhadovna with the Ravshans Dzhomshutovny. And that is characteristic of all "doctors of the highest category."
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    The author's banal nagging ... request Offer something super good ... wait hi
    It is impossible to determine measures across the country from Moscow, but if you try to see that all the other branches of government will throw everything to Moscow, or does the author not understand this? bully
    Without repression no one will do anything request
    To help everyone - so many will be miserable at once ... repeat By the way - in small years, this small business did not want to pay taxes at all ... request
  32. depressant 9 May 2020 10: 04 New
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    This morning I went to wash - the faucet flows even more! Is it really necessary to call the plumbing? The best way to become infected with a crown. She turned on cold water, a thin stream ran a little thicker than the one due to a malfunction of the crane. This has already happened a month ago - a malfunction on the water supply line. Need to call ...
    And the water is obscene. Pure water was given only for the New Year. Until now, half of the 5-liter cylinder is available - without sediment. So they can? They can, but they don’t want to. Quietly to the beast. Hygiene, damn it. During an epidemic. Damned vicious circle. Sometimes they lose their nerves.
  33. NordUral 11 May 2020 16: 41 New
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    At the same time, when compared with other countries, the situation in Russia is not so bad in terms of morbidity.

    Let's see how it will be by June, and then talk about successes. While the incidence and death curve creeps up. And it’s good that it’s only creeping, and not taking off a rocket. It would be good if it remained until reaching the horizontal and the recession.
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    I’m afraid to turn out to be right, but it seems that changes are waiting for us in the fall .... Everything goes to this ...
  35. seacap 12 May 2020 11: 24 New
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    In which article of the administrative or Criminal Code does such an act as “self-isolation” be defined as a crime, on the basis of which law did people put people under house arrest without an order and on a whim by order, and without a sentence? Why for the so-called violation of the rules of self-isolation, the term itself, which implies personal voluntariness, by the will of a small-town bureaucrat, policemen swarmly hunt for every passerby in flocks, drawing up protocols for inadequate fines that are incommensurable with the income of people, because most absent today, dooming them for nothing to debt bondage? Since the time of service and study, we have always been taught that if you pose a task to your subordinates, you must provide and provide for its implementation with all the necessary equipment and material, i.e. in order to be entitled to demand the use of protective equipment from me, the authorities are obliged to provide me with them, i.e. organize the supply of the population, and, without driving them into the expenditure of funds, which they are already deprived of at the behest of mediocre officials. And yet, I don’t understand, excuse me not an office worker, I’ve been hammered into me from my iron all my life, that I need to spend time in the fresh air, play sports actively, so why don’t they shoot people if he sits alone in the forest or on the beach, why with my family I can breathe dust and stale air in a stuffy apartment, sitting on each other’s head, and I can’t go with her to the sea or to the forest in my personal car, because the sun, herbs and plants, and the sea air are healing in themselves, what kind of nonsense is it for our bureaucrats and policemen who defy any logic? But Sobyanin's hopping with gaps, something that generally went beyond common sense, imagining himself a local omnipotent dictator, decided to put everyone and everything under total control, showing the complete inadequacy and wretchedness of the bureaucrat’s thinking, coming exclusively from repressive measures, to intimidate, not to let go, keep silent.
  36. AleBors 12 May 2020 19: 31 New
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    The country is fighting with the population, not with the virus.
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    The president said something about foreign experience, which seemed to help us. For example, like this: