Indian military says why they are not happy with INSAS assault rifles

In the Indian army, the transition from the INSAS assault rifles adopted in 1998 to other types of small arms continues weapons, including Kalashnikov assault rifles of one of the new versions (AK-203).

Recall that a contract was signed between Russia and India for the supply of 670 AK-203 to Indian troops, most of which will be assembled at an Indian plant under a Russian license. In India, it was reported that the price of one AK-203 in the end will be about 1,1 thousand dollars, taking into account the technologies transferred by the Russian Federation. 100 thousand trunks will arrive in India from Russia.

In this regard, the remarks of Indian servicemen regarding the 5,56 mm caliber INSAS assault rifles remaining in service are noteworthy. The Indian military notes that INSAS is actually a useless automatic weapon when it comes to firing at a distance of more than 500-600 m. For comparison: the aiming range of the AK-203 is 800 m (some time ago there was information that it was increased to 1 km).

From a critical statement by an Indian soldier:

INSAS - assault rifle for infantry units. But today often have to fire in the border areas. And the accuracy and efficiency of automatic small arms of the enemy, as it turns out, exceeds the similar characteristics of our weapons. If the enemy is 500-600 meters, then we shoot like birds (the Indian version of the Russian-language "shooting at milk"). Ammunition is consumed, and the result is extremely low. We have to get closer, which only increases the threat to ourselves.

Today, INSAS rifles are operated not only in India, but also in countries such as Nepal, Bhutan, Oman and some African countries.

The new desired caliber automatic weapons for the Indian army - 7,62 mm.

It should be recalled that INSAS was developed on the basis of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, but this is perhaps one of those cases when even the technologies transferred to India did not help to create an effective and reliable weapon.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

And if you sing and dance? So far, from the achievements of the Indian military industry, I have heard only about "Brahmos".
Spoil Kalashnikov? Even artisans at the Afghanistan-Pakistan border collect it ... Accuracy is poor - these are trunks and assembly. And here hands are needed ... so that from the right place.

[venik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So far, from the achievements of the Indian military industry, I have heard only about "Bramos"

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And that de facto licensed version of "Yakhont" is simply adapted to Indian technologies!

[Mavrikiy]

Today, INSAS rifles are operated not only in India, but also in countries such as Nepal, Bhutan, Oman and some African countries.

To Africa her whole. Stupidity. Assault rifle in the mountains.

[Viktor Sergeev]

And someone from the Indian military tried to hit the target from at least 300 meters? Yes, firing from a single machine gun at 500 meters is a waste of ammunition, given the dispersion and size of the target (person) at such a range.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Yes, shooting from a single machine gun at 500 meters is a waste of bullets,

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Open sight, 7.62x39, 500 m.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c69e148fec61f00b2b8370e/iz-avtomata-kalashnikova-na-500-metrov-5d948c2295aa9f00ad9f6dc1

[avg]

Yes shooting from a single machine gun at 500 meters is a waste of ammunition

Come on. And in the Moscow region they do not even know that it is urgent to rewrite the COP. For instance. in 3UUS one of the targets is an attacking (retreating) infantry group - 450-550m. (that is, she, not good, also moves ...) Yes, but what is a "single machine"?

[Pereira]

that INSAS is actually a useless automatic weapon when it comes to firing at a distance of more than 500-600 m. For comparison: the aiming range of the AK-203 is 800 m

The author wants to say that aiming from the AK-203 at 800m makes sense? What is the probability of hit / consumption of cartridges in a growth figure at 600m? What does the manual on small business say?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Pereira

The author wants to say that aiming from the AK-203 at 800m makes sense?

With optics, yes. Why not?

[Pessimist22]

According to the table of exceeding average trajectories, with a sight of 6, when firing at 600 meters, the AKM trajectory is exceeding 7,62 2,2 meters, given the wind and other weather conditions, effective shooting at such a distance is unlikely, unless the enemy stands and I agree with Viktor Sergeyev, up to 300 meters with a sight 3 exceeding 38 centimeters, you can fire including at the main targets, in this regard I like 5,45 more, the trajectory is more flat.

[Incvizitor]

With a full-time front sight, the front sight completely dulls the whole target by 500 meters, but with sights it may well be a semblance of a semi-automatic sniper rifle.

[Cympak]

Well, everyone faces the problem of firing conventional assault rifles in the mountains. The same problems with an insufficient range of aimed fire were Americans in Afghanistan. In the mountains you need a full-fledged rifle under 7,62x51 or 7,62x54. The intermediate cartridge 7,62x39 is also insufficient. I watched the memoirs of a former Afghan war veteran who served in the mountain rifle unit, so he recalls that the main weapon from which the spirits fired at them was the DShK.

[URAL72]

In Donbass, we also mainly operate large-caliber machine guns, AGS, LNG, mortars, RPGs. But there are places where up to the enemy 70-100 m. Everything works there. Having accepted to 5,45 in the Soviet Army, they also had SCS, SVD, PK. This is enough, why not all carry AKM with a low accuracy. At the training ground, from my AK-74N, with a 350m I lay down a target with 1-2 rounds. And on the position I can use the PC if necessary. That's just no way! Even an UAV knocks over its territory, God forbid, a bullet will fly to the Khokhlov! And for us you can ...

[Black Colonel]

And who forbids? Is retaliation impossible?

[Zeev Zeev]

The new desired caliber automatic weapons for the Indian army - 7,62 mm.

Desired cartridge for the Indian Army 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Win). That is, the Indians want to return to the previous cartridge, which they had along with the FN FAL rifles. But the AK-203 is taken not for the advanced units, but for territorial defense.

[knn54]

They also want to redirect Western investment / production to China.

[APASUS]

INSAS was developed on the basis of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, but this is perhaps one of those cases when even the technologies transferred to India did not help create an effective and reliable weapon.

For some reason, the Indians have such a technical feature, in each case, first there are tambourines with dances

[aws4]

(The Indian military notes that INSAS is actually a useless automatic weapon when it comes to firing at a distance of more than 500-600 m. For comparison: the sighting range of the AK-203 is 800 m (some time ago it was reported that it was increased to 1 km) fantastic !! obviously someone just doesn’t know what the aiming range is .. by the way, the Mauser’s pistol was also 1000 meters in my opinion, so let them adopt it))))))

[Klmn]

After a while, they will start dancing again with pomp, my AK is not like that, it works badly, the cartridge gets stuck, well, or something else ... As I noticed, if in India they start to collect something themselves, then somehow they, to put it mildly, are not very good at it ... Type "blooper, and so it will do".

[Strashila]

With a machine gun sighting at 800, well, it's fantastic. You can offer the Indians an old proven Mosin rifle, they will put the optics on and they will be happy. Most importantly, what will be the ammunition savings. Here, something like Pecheneg or RMB need to buy.

[orionvitt]

told why they are not happy with the INSAS assault rifles

Hindus constantly arrange dances around samples that they want to adopt, but in the end, they are not happy with everything. Maybe in the conservatory, something needs to be changed, or the dance repertoire must be changed.

[Razvedka_Boem]

Now adherents of practical shooting will run up and begin ..)
The machine is designed for automatic shooting.
During hostilities, fire is most often conducted not against the enemy in visual visibility, but in the direction where the enemy is possibly located.
Talk about saving ammunition, given that the stock of ammunition in warehouses amounts to billions ..
During the Vietnam War, the Americans estimated that for each enemy killed, the average ammunition consumption was 200 thousand.
A couple of videos who want to hear ..

[Razvedka_Boem]

And one more video
https://youtu.be/80mtWmAMkVk

[Ded_Mazay]

How should you try to make a "cactus" based on the Kalashnikov?
Interestingly, with the highly publicized Arjun Indian tank it turned out about the same. Spent 37 years to produce about 130 cars and close the topic.
And probably, with the purchases of "golden" Rafales, about the same "trick with the ears" will be released ...

[Voltsky]

For comparison: the aiming range of the AK-203 is 800 m (some time ago there was information that it was increased to 1 km)

Is this a working battle distance without use, which is harder?