Decree banning the military to indicate on the network their belonging to the army: experts comment


Experts commented on the decree of Russian President Vladimir Putin, amending the Disciplinary Military Regulations. Innovations are associated with the responsibility for the distribution by the Russian military through the media or (and) the Internet of data that allows us to determine their belonging to the army.


The publication of such data on the net, in the media, as well as the publication of data on family members of military personnel and those who have previously left the reserve, is now considered a gross misconduct.

Military personnel do not have the right to communicate through the media and Internet resources information about the deployment and redeployment of military authorities. While serving, Russian troops are prohibited from carrying gadgets that allow them to take photographs, video, store geolocation data, and distribute data on the Internet.

Experts note that the measures are largely correct, especially when you consider that many modern military personnel remove and upload to the network, send to friends and acquaintances, “friends of friends” and “acquaintances of acquaintances” information that by definition should not be released, if I may say so , outside the military unit.

However, certain questions remain. For example, how in this case the military personnel differ from the representatives of the bureaucratic apparatus, many of whom have much more sensitive information and who do not part with their mobile devices ... How to deal with the heads of large state corporations, deputies, ministers, who often through third parties (interlocutors) ) knowingly or accidentally give out to the network (in the media) data that is either not officially confirmed or corresponds to a certain degree of secrecy? Is reprimand for “gross misconduct” enough for such people?
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  1. Valery Valery 7 May 2020 06: 44 New
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    how, in this case, the military personnel differ from the representatives of the bureaucracy, many of whom have much more sensitive information and who do not part with their mobile devices

    Proposals for the military prepared Shoigu. Those. proposals for officials should be prepared by Mishustin and Volodin.
    1. Olgovich 7 May 2020 06: 49 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      Proposals for the military prepared Shoigu.

      And the sentences are absolutely correct.

      Diet, when you can determine the location of a unit, its composition and tasks from social networks.
      This is not an army, but a mess
      1. Lopatov 7 May 2020 09: 26 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        And the sentences are absolutely correct.

        When, for the guaranteed execution of one order, you have to issue another, this is not "absolutely correct", it is an "absolute mess"
      2. ancient 7 May 2020 10: 48 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Diet, when you can determine the location of a unit, its composition and tasks from social networks.

        Yeah ... otherwise it's ..... Open secret ... for someone wassat
      3. orionvitt 7 May 2020 14: 44 New
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        There is one conclusion. One immutable rule remains in force.
        True, taking into account modern technologies, having a mobile phone in your pocket, you no longer need to chat. A smart gadget, it will do everything for you.
      4. Egor-dis 9 May 2020 23: 45 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        when on social networks you can determine the location of the unit, its composition and tasks.
        This is if the part is in a dense impassable taiga or beyond the Arctic Circle. And if the part is near the settlement or in it, it is enough to walk through the nearby generals. You don’t even have to ask anything. "He who has ears will hear."
    2. Mitroha 7 May 2020 07: 15 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery

      Proposals for the military prepared Shoigu. Those. proposals for officials should be prepared by Mishustin and Volodin.

      Moreover, this and that had to be done back in 2006-2010, when smartphones began to enter our lives en masse
      1. Egor-dis 9 May 2020 23: 50 New
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        Quote: Mitroha
        this had to be done back in 2006-2010, when smartphones began to enter our lives en masse
        Then it was necessary to accustom to information hygiene. Correctly consume information and not spoil information anywhere. Instead, they decided to ban everything.
    3. Jager 7 May 2020 07: 34 New
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      The problem is that Mishustin and Volodin are not Shoigu.
      1. kepmor 7 May 2020 07: 50 New
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        I think that the problem is completely different ...
        the military, at the very least, will fulfill these requirements ... and the bureaucratic army, as usual, will simply send far and long ...
        1. Insurgent 7 May 2020 08: 47 New
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          Military personnel do not have the right to communicate through the media and Internet resources information about the deployment and redeployment of military authorities. While serving, Russian troops are prohibited from carrying gadgets that allow them to take photographs, video, store geolocation data, and distribute data on the Internet.


          Actually, the novelty is only in the fact that restrictions are introduced (prohibition) on the mention of belonging to the RF Armed Forces, the second norm, "old" (highlighted in bold), has been working for a long time ...

          There was even information that for military personnel of the RF Armed Forces, a special mobile phone will be created and a separate cellular network will be involved.
          At what stage this project is now, it’s hard for me to judge, but even in our DPR, for children in NM there are restrictions on banning the use of mobile communications at the forefront, largely purely formal, due to the wretchedness of the communications system ...

          Therefore, the "mobile phone" is often used as a backup, and often as the main communication channel both between fighters and between units ...

          Another question is that not everything can be transmitted on such a channel. Yes, and it is not known what is worse - if the information gets to dill, or the MGB laughing
        2. Starover_Z 7 May 2020 13: 34 New
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          Quote: kepmor
          the military, at the very least, will fulfill these requirements ... and the bureaucratic army, as usual, will simply send far and long ...

          What to do with the leaders of large state corporations, deputies, ministers, who often through third parties (interlocutors) knowingly or accidentally transmit to the network (in the media) data that is either not officially confirmed or corresponds to a certain degree of secrecy? Is reprimand for “gross misconduct” enough for such people?

          What reprimand ?! Now, at the top, judging by publications in the media, there are few conscious citizens who think about the life of the people in the lower classes. So it means there should be punishments, but this is really a problem for Mishustin at least, as for ordinary citizens - he issued state secrets - get the article from the Criminal Code and in full, since you are its carrier!
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          avg 8 May 2020 13: 21 New
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          and the bureaucratic army, as usual, will simply send far and long ...

          Do not overestimate their nonsense and freethinking. We are just entering the time of digitalization, when something will be harder to hide than a reprimand in the work book. and officials will have to take care of a clean biography. And in large campaigns, even now the Security Council is carefully checking all candidates for significant posts.
  2. Karaul73 7 May 2020 06: 45 New
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    Compare the army and officials! Officials are. And each of us, unfortunately, everywhere feels it. And the army should not be anywhere. Especially in light of recent world events.
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich 7 May 2020 06: 46 New
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    Internet information dump. One must be careful. As the saying goes, "the enemy is not asleep." Perhaps this innovation is necessary.
  4. Asad 7 May 2020 06: 47 New
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    In principle, right. And smartphones without cameras will give fighters free of charge?
    1. kind 7 May 2020 06: 55 New
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      What for? Let them write letters, they will become more competent. wink
      1. Asad 7 May 2020 07: 00 New
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        I have a neighbor, the current commander of the regiment, so he calls the ordinary regularly! Vocabulary is impressive!
        1. Insurgent 7 May 2020 08: 55 New
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          Quote: ASAD
          I have a neighbor, the current commander of the regiment, so he calls the ordinary regularly! Vocabulary is impressive!

          What is this ordinary such that they business regiment (!!!) calls,regularly belay ?

          "Thieves," or what? Like these?

          1. kot28.ru 7 May 2020 14: 21 New
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            What kind of sewing? laughing
            1. Insurgent 7 May 2020 14: 27 New
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              Quote: kot28.ru
              What kind of sewing?

              Yes FIG knows ... Great Russia, and the fools in it are more than in store ...
          2. Egor-dis 17 May 2020 12: 56 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            What kind of privates are such that the commander’s regiment (!!!) calls them regularly belay?
            Most likely, the clerks cut tasks.
        2. avg
          avg 8 May 2020 13: 24 New
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          I have a neighbor, the current commander of the regiment, so he calls the ordinary regularly! Vocabulary is impressive!

          Probably consults with the boys? sad
    2. Nyrobsky 7 May 2020 07: 02 New
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      Why does a fighter need a smartphone? Let the Charter teach and engage in combat training, but you can call parents and a girl from a knopar. And then, I came to serve for a year, and will cause damage to security for two five-year periods. That will leave for a citizen and let the smartphone even chop nuts.
      1. Asad 7 May 2020 07: 03 New
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        I completely agree ! And from the games one Tetris, stand on the bedside table!
      2. Voyager 7 May 2020 08: 39 New
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        You just envy that you didn’t have such laughing
        1. Nyrobsky 7 May 2020 08: 48 New
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          Quote: Voyager
          You just envy that you didn’t have such laughing

          Yes, fullness to you. We didn’t have any buttons either. The fastest way to exchange information was a letter sent by airmail and telegram. hi
          PS- There was a case when he sent a telegram to his family about his arrival from Yaroslavl. But since retraining courses were canceled, the next day he left at the place of deployment and two days later, already on the threshold of his apartment, he himself signed for receiving it - "I arrived well point. Everything is normal point." laughing
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            avg 8 May 2020 13: 35 New
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            The fastest way to exchange information was a letter sent by airmail and telegram.

            There was another one, remember: "Dear, what's with Uryupinsky? The client is waiting for the third hour! Dear, my second booth is furious, Novosibirsk can't hear" crying
            1. Nyrobsky 8 May 2020 14: 07 New
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              Quote: avg
              The fastest way to exchange information was a letter sent by airmail and telegram.

              There was another one, remember: "Dear, what's with Uryupinsky? The client is waiting for the third hour! Dear, my second booth is furious, Novosibirsk can't hear" crying

              That is yes. It used to be easier to shout than to get through yes
      3. Egor-dis 21 May 2020 17: 53 New
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        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Why does a fighter need a smartphone? Let the Charter teach and engage in combat training,

        And also, why does a soldier need a machine gun. Suddenly he will shoot someone. Give him a shovel (and other trench tool) and let him engage in combat training. And the articles of the charter have nothing to write with a ballpoint pen in a notebook. Parchment and a quill pen with an inkwell are our everything. And if, if anyone at least, enter the military battle, give him a bow with arrows and a mace with a shield and, well, make-up of the adversary.
        Why, instead of, in the 21st century, putting high technology at the service of the army, not only at the level of collective weapons and equipment but also in providing an ordinary soldier, does someone persistently try to drive the army into the Stone Age? Why in Middle Eastern conflicts can barmalei allow themselves to launch a mortar using a quadrant on an iPhone, and our smarts are forbidden from the word at all? Despite the fact that smart is not so much a means of communication as a multifunctional gadget into which you can drive all the charters and reference books, educational films, use for photos and video reports, and even heaps of useful things that really help with the service?
        1. Nyrobsky 21 May 2020 18: 14 New
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          Quote: Egor-dis
          Why, instead of, in the 21st century, putting high technology at the service of the army, not only at the level of collective weapons and equipment but also in providing an ordinary soldier, does someone persistently try to drive the army into the Stone Age? Why in Middle Eastern conflicts can barmalei allow themselves to launch a mortar using a quadrant on an iPhone, and our smarts are forbidden from the word at all? Despite the fact that smart is not so much a means of communication as a multifunctional gadget into which you can drive all the charters and reference books, educational films, use for photos and video reports, and even heaps of useful things that really help with the service?

          Here it is, the "high-tech-traumatized" generation. Cell phone towers are banging and there are no gadgets with all the applications and pribluds crammed into them. Again a coil with a vole behind the signalman crawling along the wire in search of a cliff. Our radio stations are all, well, and hope for a satellite, if the enemy is not prudently overwhelmed by it. In Komi or the Arkhangelsk province, move away with your smartphone for 10 km. from the city and you can chop them nuts and nails into the trees to hammer in connection with the complete uselessness. And yet, yes, to disappoint you completely, I will say that the compass is more reliable than the navigator. I had a friend who had batteries dead in this stray and then looked for him in the taiga for three days. Now he goes to the taiga with a navigator, but he still carries the compass in his backpack. In war, you know, batteries can have problems, as well as charging phones.
          1. Egor-dis 23 May 2020 22: 52 New
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            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Here it is, the "high-tech-traumatized" generation.

            At the age of five, it’s difficult to “hurt me with high technology”. I just really look at things, including and high technology. I see where they can be used with benefit, and where there is no benefit from them, I also see.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Again a coil with a vole behind the signalman crawling along the wire in search of a cliff. Our radio stations are all, well, and hope for a satellite, if the enemy is not prudently overwhelmed by it.
            You also forgot about the flag semaphore and Morse code with flashlights. Here's why juggle. Or did someone call, for the sake of smartphones and mobile communications, to cancel the vole and the 159th walkie-talkie?
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            And yet, yes, to disappoint you completely, I will say that the compass is more reliable than the navigator.
            Do you really think this will upset me? In the days when I was just learning to navigate, even good compasses were in short supply, no one had heard about the navigator for thirty years. And, nevertheless, I, like your friend, understand that the compass is more reliable and the navigator is more convenient. Well, no one canceled the work of the brain either.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            In Komi or the Arkhangelsk province, move away with your smartphone for 10 km. from the city and you can chop them nuts and nails into the trees to hammer in connection with the complete uselessness.
            The main problem with smartphones is that they have become much smarter than their owners. Or those who are afraid (do not like) to use them. For you, hiking, a smartphone is just an uncomfortable kind of button player. The fact that you can upload electronic books (the same charters, manuals, Zampolitovskaya garbage), training films, take pictures of the area to print fire card calculations later, or put a ballistic calculator, you prefer not to think about.
            Well, what, and the toilet can not be built, run under the bush and wipe the burdock. Great-grandfathers did this, and we will? wink
    3. Cottodraton 7 May 2020 08: 40 New
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      Here the calculation is more on the decency of the military. A soldier, be it a soldier or an officer, is a man, not an animal that lives purely by instinct. It must be understood that you do not need to get the phone again.
      This is also a matter of personal security. What, in the case of a large-scale conflict,
      will it prevent the potential adversary’s probe team from reaching the address that he himself leaked on social networks and eliminated him? Especially if this is some important specialist or officer important?
      The same applies, incidentally, to scientists.
      How many of them "stumbled / choked / fell under the car." "ACCIDENTALLY"
  5. rotmistr60 7 May 2020 06: 47 New
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    The questions posed by the author at the end of the article regarding the responsibility of officials, deputies, and ministers to the "Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation," about the changes in question, have no relation. These categories are regulated by other documents, so you should not interfere with everything in a heap. And the decree is correct and the changes should have been made at least ten years ago,
    1. NDR-791 7 May 2020 08: 58 New
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      The question is, who else will control all this and how? I am afraid that self-discipline is indispensable.
  6. BARKAS 7 May 2020 06: 52 New
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    I did not understand, but is a normal camera also prohibited?
    1. Mitroha 7 May 2020 07: 04 New
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      I suppose if he knows this:
      storage of geolocation data, distribution of data on the Internet.

      then yes
    2. svp67 7 May 2020 07: 13 New
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      Quote: BARKAS
      I did not understand, but is a normal camera also prohibited?

      Its availability and use has long been regulated by orders ...
    3. _Sergei_ 7 May 2020 08: 08 New
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      We have back in Soviet times, found a photograph, I'm not talking about the camera, and on the lip.
    4. kot28.ru 7 May 2020 14: 23 New
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      Yes
      for nefig
  7. kind 7 May 2020 06: 53 New
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    In general, everything is correct, otherwise, if the servicemen begin to share their impressions of the command orders on social networks, and even upload photos, the meaning of covert command control is lost.
    Officials are too public people, so if secret information comes out through their phones, then let the relevant authorities do it.
    1. Egor-dis 23 May 2020 23: 00 New
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      Quote: Good
      the meaning of covert command and control is lost.

      But there is a sense of abuse, theft, abuse of authority.
  8. As for me - stupidity!
    In my years, the camera was a rarity in the army. And order 010 (maybe I am mistaken?) Was not canceled. And what, there were no demobilization photo albums? And I saw the albums of the "Afghans", with alterations of equipment, with rare and secret equipment in the background.
    Or is this decree thinking to "cripple" the activities of Western intelligence?
    Well, mashing the formula "the forbidden fruit is sweet ...", I think the guys will still have gadgets. And whoever doesn’t like it - go to the front line, take away from the guys who risk their lives every minute ...
    1. Mitroha 7 May 2020 07: 12 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And whoever doesn’t like it - go to the front line, take away from the guys who risk their lives every minute ...

      Are you there in what war, on the front line, are you risking life every minute? Do not rock the sofa laughing
      The correct decree, no intelligence is needed, track the massive migration of GPS geolocation data in smartphones and always in the know where the part is moving. Not to mention just a photo of people serving, then their and relatives to calculate the problems is not. For completely different purposes, perhaps not only for gratitude for the service.
      1. Brylevsky 7 May 2020 07: 26 New
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        Not to mention just a photo of people serving, then their and relatives to calculate the problems is not.

        During the Chechen war, militants went on the air and, mocking the feelings of those who heard all this, called “passwords, names, appearances” of family members of officers who at that time fought against them. As if they hinted ... But I'm sitting and thinking: who was leaking personal information to them about the military personnel? The question is rhetorical and smartphones have nothing to do with it, I repeat - nothing to do with it.
        1. Mitroha 7 May 2020 10: 28 New
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          I agree. This is exclusively a human factor or simply a betrayal. But for this you need to work with people, recruit, pay, etc.
          In the case of smartphones, you don’t even need to do this because the system and the hardware automatically send everything to at least three parties.
      2. Lannan Shi 7 May 2020 08: 56 New
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        Quote: Mitroha
        The correct decree, no intelligence is needed, track the massive migration of GPS geolocation data in smartphones and always in the know where the part is moving.

        Ugums. And there are millions of surveillance cameras in the country. In one MSC, only persons capable of recognizing more than 100 thousand are already. And these millions are not a single network, behind which a secret secretary sits. These are tens and hundreds of departmental and private grids. Do you really believe that past this you can quietly push at least something? And who controls, so that the infa does not flow from them to the enemy? Ugums. The secret movement of the tank battalion was watched by 100 police officers, 200 security guards, 500 saleswomen and Uncle Vasya the janitor. This mobile operators can be taken under the hood, and cover the issuance of geolocation data "who does not need". The benefit of operators is not so much. But to trace millions of cameras, most of which are private .... Then either remove the cross or put on your pants. Or all sorts of digitalization, or secrecy. And so ... It reminds the behavior of a child. He covered his head with a blanket - it means he hid. And the fact that the priest is on public display .... This is not important.
        1. matross 7 May 2020 17: 08 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          there are millions of surveillance cameras in the country. In one MSC, only persons capable of recognizing more than 100 thousand are already. And these millions are not a single network, behind which a secret secretary sits. These are tens and hundreds of departmental and private grids. Do you really believe that past this you can quietly push at least something? And who controls, so that the infa does not flow from them to the enemy? Ugums. The secret movement of the tank battalion was observed

          Girl, according to the "MSC" tank battalions do not move. All the more secretive. And on paid federal highways too. And in the capitals of the subjects. And in smaller cities. And where they move, there are no cameras.
          And smartphones have l / s. And there are satellites of "friends and partners", although not always.
          By the way, smartphones have long been banned in headquarters and offices ... you don’t know why?
    2. carstorm 11 7 May 2020 08: 16 New
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      it’s not even that. all modern handsets have the nasty ability to track them in real time continuously. demobilization albums and photos were of course. but a photo a month ago and a photo 2 minutes ago in the public domain are two different things. especially with a mark on the same photo of the geolocation of the object. demobilization album is not a folder with photos on social networks. well, etc.)
    3. Alexey RA 7 May 2020 13: 06 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      As for me - stupidity!
      In my years, the camera was a rarity in the army. And order 010 (maybe I am mistaken?) Was not canceled. And what, there were no demobilization photo albums?

      And what - photos from demobilization albums laid out in the public domain on the same day were printed in central newspapers and magazines, indicating the time and exact coordinates, where was it taken? wink
      The fact of the matter is that the current photos do not go to the demobilization album, which after the demobilization can boast to friends and relatives. And then they laid out in the public domain, and even with the information where it was filmed.
  9. Alex_59 7 May 2020 07: 04 New
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    Quite ridiculous restrictions, given that all of the above information is known to potential opponents in an exhaustive volume. Who and where serves is also a dubious secret - usually if a person serves, then all relatives and neighbors know where and by whom. And in villages under HF, how are people to be? It turns out that generally the connection should be disconnected, because geolocation clearly indicates your attitude to the military unit, if you are in a village in which there are simply no other places for work or service besides HF.
    In Soviet times, my mother had a case when she was sent on a business trip to one of the PO boxes on the "space" line. So secret a / z that no one explained to her how and where to look. After long attempts to find the right object, she asked the old women on the bench where the supposedly located legally-owned "washing machine repair factory" is located? To which the grandmothers replied, "Ah, honey, so you need a secret factory that makes intelligence satellites? So it's two blocks and to the left."
    1. Not only that, for some reason no one is considering the option that with the help of gadgets you can very well misinform the enemy! After all, it’s so technically so easy to create an illusion that such a team arrived at Ensk station, and in fact - a dozen pictures on social networks, and some are well-taken photos! And let the enemies put the numbers of the units on the cards, which then "pop up" in a completely different place!
    2. carstorm 11 7 May 2020 08: 23 New
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      general information is known. otherwise it happens every day and every minute or hour. much more serious measures are needed to extract such information. a person with a smartphone, for example, if he monitors it, for example, he will transmit this information without realizing it. where to move. how much time are there, etc. God forbid, some video call will be made and everything will go to the camera in real time.
      1. Rusticolus 7 May 2020 16: 11 New
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        I’m afraid to disappoint you, but it’s difficult to name the general dossier, with your photo, list of preferences, list of your social circle, where, when and to whom you visit, who goes to visit you ... Is there a lover? Do not worry Google and knows everything about it. And all this in real life. And you about some sort of interception of video calls, but who needs them at all, what can you say new?
  10. svp67 7 May 2020 07: 11 New
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    Is reprimand for “gross misconduct” enough for such people?
    Of course not ... it is necessary to immediately initiate criminal cases and temporarily suspend from official duties, until the completion of investigative measures and court decisions
    1. your1970 7 May 2020 14: 20 New
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      Quote: svp67
      it is necessary to immediately initiate criminal cases and temporarily suspend from official duties, until the completion of investigative measures and court decisions
      Well, for starters, a certain number of cases in the army
      Quote: romey
      There are many things written in the charters. Only now, far from all are respected.
      ....
      And then officials, and even not very many - secrecy in a fairly limited circle of people
  11. Romey 7 May 2020 07: 16 New
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    There are many things written in the charters. Only now, far from all are respected. I'm afraid that physically it will not be possible to implement these measures. Although for once, in this regard, I must agree with those in power ...
  12. tuts 7 May 2020 07: 22 New
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    Arguments against the descent:
    What connection is better that which is listened to or its absence at all?
    There are no body cameras in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and very often it is required to transfer the image to a specialist (for example, a miner)
    1. Paranoid50 7 May 2020 09: 34 New
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      Quote: tots
      better is the one that is tapped or its absence at all

      laughing laughing laughing
      Quote: tots
      often you need to transfer the image to a specialist (for example, a miner)

      For this, the army has its own network and full-time gadgets.
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        What country do you live in?
        Ask any soldier how many devices and regular gadgets they give him.
  13. Prisoner 7 May 2020 07: 24 New
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    It is high time. Here you have an army, and not show business there. laughing
  14. samarin1969 7 May 2020 07: 24 New
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    Competent specialists from the very activity of mobile communications pull out a lot of operational information. In the Donbass and Syria - this is almost the only source of the situation. And how many were information throws / leaks on the "paratroopers" on known events. And there the "young ladies" tried to spin the guys up for information.
    The decree can only be welcomed and regretted that it is half-hearted.
  15. Free wind 7 May 2020 07: 30 New
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    Well, the kids want romance, but why not? The guys want to take a picture and make a video, as a keepsake. If it’s so scary, block the Internet. Take smartphones out while hiking. but take pictures of those who wish. Operational information in our time, becomes outdated within an hour. All areas are monitored from satellites in real time. With amers on the helmets of a video camera, everything that happens is recorded, at the request of a soldier, he can download some files. We have fortune-telling on coffee grounds, but what happened?
    1. carstorm 11 7 May 2020 08: 32 New
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      now FIG knows) apparently depends on the person) that in Suvorovsky and then at the school and even more so during the service he did not like to take photographs either. I have 5 of them probably) apart from the mandatory ones that did everything) the video is the same)
  16. Amateur 7 May 2020 07: 39 New
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    According to the stories of "competent comrades," Mr. Rogozin, when he was his deputy prime minister, photographed himself at one of the factories near Moscow and then posted on his account a photograph of a product that was absolutely secret at that time. This served as one of the last straws to break a camel's neck.
    Of course, I won’t give a tooth for reliability, but the source was “not from VO experts”. what
    1. Free wind 7 May 2020 08: 30 New
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      I don’t know about military products. But Ural-Next Rogozin secretly took a picture and leaked it to the Internet. Miasses kept the product secret from competitors. And they were going to roll it out at some sort of auto show there in 3 months.
  17. BISMARCK94 7 May 2020 07: 46 New
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    everything, the photo mask is banned?
    But what about photo reports? laughing
    It was the case, I had to do a photo report as our company gutted the beds in search of any prohibited and other events
    1. hhhhhhh 7 May 2020 07: 53 New
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      The company soldier saved you from drugs and pictures of indecent.
      1. BISMARCK94 7 May 2020 07: 55 New
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        Yes, the company is generally a great guy
      2. Sanya Terek 7 May 2020 09: 55 New
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        BISMARCK94 wrote correctly about photo reports to higher governing bodies. Photo reports require training on BP, on guard duty, on various introductory activities, etc.
  18. Andrey Suvorov 7 May 2020 07: 46 New
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    The soldiers will be banned, and the command as it went will be with smartphones!
  19. smart fellow 7 May 2020 07: 48 New
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    Well, the Sobyanin even included FSB agents and atomic objects in the coronavirus database. And the base should have been stored on servers in Germany. We realized that something went wrong.
  20. blackice 7 May 2020 07: 51 New
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    Uhhh, what passions !!!!
    You will start reading comms and immediately want to visit an exorcist.
    In our age of high technology, satellite tracking, and again mother's spies, any military unit is nothing in terms of secrecy.
    As well as the movement of these military units. Even if you take away not only smartphones from all military personnel, but also TABs, if anyone has them.
    If during the time of the Second World War, the enemy was relocated, now this is not a problem at all.
    On the other hand, a generation that does not know how to justify its natural needs without a smartphone, you need to somehow wean from the addiction to live on the phone.
    1. your1970 7 May 2020 14: 24 New
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      Quote: blackice
      If during the time of the Second World War, the enemy was relocated, now this is not a problem at all.
      - just the same THEN it was a very big problem .... more often than not guessed ....
  21. hhhhhhh 7 May 2020 07: 52 New
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    We need a second decree on the appointment of left-wing people on social networks.))) For misinformation.
  22. Avior 7 May 2020 08: 29 New
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    I have a suspicion that the decree is not without reason.
    Something surfaced that was banned.
  23. Ros 56 7 May 2020 08: 36 New
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    The military generally have nothing to roam about on social networks, it has long been known why they were created, just no one expected such popularity.
  24. O. Bender 7 May 2020 08: 39 New
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    So such a ban was always as long as I remember myself in the VS. And as for the bureaucrat, the question is interesting, are they public, and what should be kept secret? Does every cat in the city see villas that have their eyes poked out and their tongues torn out? Or tear off the children’s majors in order that they wouldn’t use their gadgets?
  25. ZAV69 7 May 2020 08: 39 New
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    Transit bureaucrats on gadgets with Aurora so that the machine doesn’t merge into Google and the info bit, all the communication is through the corporate portal, it can be built on what is possible and what is impossible. And most importantly, the responsibility for disclosure. Divulged - sat.
  26. Bez 310 7 May 2020 08: 56 New
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    Long overdue!
  27. Maks1995 7 May 2020 09: 13 New
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    Yes!
    Better to hide better.
    But the authorities are working, they can handle it.
    For 2 years already, they wrote that in the reference documents the property of top and middle level officials is depersonalized, the name is not indicated.
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      Quote: Max1995
      But the authorities are working, they can handle it.
      For already 2 years, they wrote, in reference documents the property of top and middle-level officials is depersonalized, full name is not indicated.

      you do not carry nonsense .....
      Go to the portal of the state agency (at any level !!!!) - the section "Personnel Support" or "Anti-Corruption", there are income and expense declarations with surnames - now for 2018.
      Until July, they will check and will be for 2019 declarations ...
      Here is an example of the Supreme Court
      https://vsrf.ru/about/anti_corruption/income/2018/
      For example, the administration of the Penza region
      https://www.tambov.gov.ru/gmspk/ugsknr/okr/profit/2018.html
      He took the first authorities that came to mind
      Yes, sometimes it’s buried deeper repeat - so that it doesn’t catch my eye. This happens ... but you can find it, although sometimes it’s difficult ...
      And this applies to everyone, including the smallest municipalities.

      If there is no such section on the website of the state agency / administration - write a letter to the prosecutor:
      "In violation of the current anti-corruption legislation, namely Article 6
      Federal Law of 25.12.2008 N 273-ФЗ "On Combating Corruption" by the state body / administration .......... information on the income and expenses of public servants / municipal employees for previous (including 2018) was not posted on the official website. ". And wait ..
      If after that it doesn’t appear (although it’s nonsense - the local one is head over heels) - write a complaint to the local prosecutor’s office to the regional prosecutor’s office

      Z.Y. if the income is small, and the castle is large - this is already to other bodies repeat need to write ....
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        That's right, you are absolutely right .....
        True, the property and income of any mother-in-law and creative daughters are not there?

        And about impersonal real estate for a year as they say .... different journalists, of different kinds, different owners ....

        There was an apartment in the statement, for example, of a specific person, and in 2019 already appears as an “unknown owner”. (verbatim, I don’t remember exactly how)
        A familiar real estate seller complained - the MFC because of this has become more of a mess on its part, they take longer to complete .......

        Z.Y. one acquaintance, a pensioner, told me - wrote a couple of times. They sent a reply.
  28. Vasyan1971 7 May 2020 09: 16 New
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    It was a while ago that, by the intensity of the signals of mobile phones, you can very well track the activity of our defense enterprises. https://ria.ru/20200502/1570880939.html
    Why then is this impossible for army units?
    1. Dikson 7 May 2020 10: 13 New
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      I just wanted to write about this wonderful episode with an article .. By the way, modern digital cameras in the same way record the time and geolocation in the metadata at the moment you press the shutter release ..)) As a result, everything is already fixed in a jpeg file that looks normal .. Yes, and the Internet cameras look great ..- Wi-Fi is, there is Bluetooth. A well-tuned automated system can easily track the movement of a number of phone owners .. It’s too late to drink Borjomi, guys .. - then you need to create YOUR own communication equipment. .
      1. Antokha 7 May 2020 12: 06 New
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        Well, at least start by attracting a serious domestic company such as the one from the link above, and determine what it is possible to remove from gadgets and what information it gives. Then see how to cover it, if at all possible. If not, we send it to state strategists with the words: “the enemy has learned to know where we are and how many of us at any time, what will we do?” Strategists should also ask, “can we know this about the enemy?” Based on the results of this response, take action.
  29. Pvi1206 7 May 2020 10: 03 New
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    and rightly so ... why facilitate the work of enemy intelligence!? ...
  30. Antokha 7 May 2020 12: 01 New
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    how, in this case, the military personnel differ from the representatives of the bureaucracy, many of whom have much more sensitive information and who do not part with their mobile devices

    The fact that the army keeps secret its strength, location and movement, and the official does not reveal secrets by traveling from place to place or renting his office. Another thing is that phones listen to conversations, and everyday communication at work occurs through Whatsapp.
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    Military personnel do not have the right to communicate through the media and Internet resources information about the deployment and redeployment of military authorities. While serving, Russian troops are prohibited from carrying gadgets that allow them to take photographs, video, store geolocation data, and distribute data on the Internet.

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    The decree is of course ... I would not sign what will not be executed, because the value of such "decrees" does not grow from their number.
    Also during it, the politicians fought with the "demobilization albums", but that's what they fought for - they ran into something. If now what remains of those political leaders is the pictures in someone’s demobilization albums, the rest is irretrievably lost.
    There are orders and laws governing the regime of secrecy, chipboards, etc. there are a lot of things that must be executed, including the Criminal Code article “for disclosure should work” like a scythe, and with respect to the soldier and the general, it is indifferent and isosceles.
    Cellular communications should not work on the territory of the unit: everything is just removed from there cellular coverage at a respectable distance, or jammed. In a convoy or campaign - jamming, on a ship - jamming.
    In social networks - can servicemen be prohibited from registering there (and what about "State Services" the better? Are they protected by stone? But what about the obligatory publication of the income of officials on the Internet?). And how to prohibit the registration of the wife / husband, children? They can publish photos too? Or should they not?
    1. White AK 7 May 2020 15: 11 New
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      Jamming is good, only from the connection there are 392 non-working and Chinese baofengs are short-lived, and his phone works as his own, and our beloved photo reports are how to do it, and on alarm how to notify personnel, there are a lot of questions, of course, in parts and putting jammers everywhere and there are no problems.
    2. Mityasha 7 May 2020 15: 26 New
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      It is difficult to refuse gadgets first of all to commanders. In general, how everyone relaxed when the mobile phones went, they immediately removed the notification problem, call at any time of the day or night. Feel better. Then suddenly they were preoccupied with secrecy, gadgets are impossible, just mobile phones are possible, but how will we hand out tasks at night? You had to think with your head before when the cellular networks were introduced, make a military telephone, create a secure network, give out who should be assigned through the certificate, pay. Then the military and claim. And so again on the fool. And when SMS messages with a team are massively sent to simple mobile phones through the APC. Everything is invisible and hidden right, but forgot about billing? rave.
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    1. Mityasha 7 May 2020 15: 29 New
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      yes right in the hole!
      1. White AK 7 May 2020 15: 35 New
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        Well, shoot and hit the can soldier
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    Ihtamnobyl, Ihtamnet, Ihtamnest laughing
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    It is already so late that the mind cannot understand this decision. It was necessary to start thirty years ago with members of the government and the presidential administration.
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    I do not know about the disclosure of state secrets and classified information. The rank and file and so to her is not much allowed. But to hide official crimes, corruption, army mess and army insanity such a law will greatly facilitate.